So is it a an actual parallel shift of the entire cue? -or- does the cue butt pivot on that diamond over the pocket while the tip of the cue shifts over the ball (-1/2 the distance only?
It's interesting that using the location of the diamonds instead of the reflection line that is slightly less than a radius from the rail causes the angle to be a little short, which counteracts the slight amount of widening from a true reflection of most rails. That's why the system works so well in practice.
What a video this is! As a 16 years old beginner I am struggling with bank shots and this video is the solution! Thank you, thank you and again thank you
can also use left/right spin to open/close the angle. spin transfer to object ball and it makes a huge difference when rebound from rail. the lesson here is first reference point for medium speed center hit only.
Indeed, that is one issue not mentioned. Another related issue is that a big adjustment is necessary if the object ball is touching or fairly close to the rail. That is because the object ball will not be rolling into the rail but will tend to have spin that affects the rebound angle in a way similar to using a faster speed (assuming no double kiss). In any case, whatever the speed of the shot and distance of the object ball from the rail, I have found the recommendation of some good bankers to use some side spin to counteract the effect of cut induced throw and spin does improve consistency. That is especially true if you must (as I try to avoid) play bank shots on unfamiliar tables.
And left/right spin has cut induced throw, deflection, spin induced throw, etc... 🤣 people be like, "oh this sports is so easy and doesn't even make you sweat"
@timothybolshaw And there's the difference between a worn and a new cloth. On a worn cloth playing the cueball with sidespin will influence (its easier to control) the object ball the most, while on a new cloth the speed of the cueball has more influence on the object ball than playing with sidespin. Like you said, the distance of the object ball to the rail also influences the bank. Its a big difference whether the object ball slides or rolls when it hits the rail.
I will be watching this again when I have time because I have seen when opponents have missed banks by shooting too hard, I think this will help me understand why and help me know what I need to do when I have to shoot a bank hard to continue the run. Thanks.
There is nothing in here that will teach you that. This shows you how to aim a shot nothing about speed. BTW Speed into a rail can and will change the angle so its still a learning process and no matter what you have to learn how to delever your cue perfectly to get better. There are many many varibles in a bank shot and you have to have an understanding of how they all effect your shot.
stevenwilfong12 A good way to learn how find the right speed is to shoot a couple of these standard banks with your medium stroke, adjust your speed and go from there. Like bill here says, there's a lot of variabels that influence the bank. Like when the heat and humidity in a poolroom goes up when it gets more busy, the banking angles will get smaller. To adjust for that, you could shoot slightly softer than your standard medium stroke or use sidespin or both, depending on the age of the cloth.
thanks for the info... iam just starting to learn to play pool iam mesmerized with your cue stick how i wish i have that kind off cue stick thanks idol.. more contents please teach us more..
I watch a lot of your videos for pool insights. However for the One-Rail Bank shot (that you posted a few hours ago), there is a simpler way. It involves the intersection of two pool sticks. If you are interested in my method (I read it in a book over twenty years ago), reach back.
@@billpii6314 I'll be writing a pool book for beginners. In it I will show that Dr. Rossman's M and M method gives exactly the same point as Mosconi's X method for finding the equal angle point on the rail.
I'm inventing a cue stick with a calculator in the handle and a little slide rule and a protractor that slips out of the bottom. I hit a lot of banks consistently but on 'feel'. No doubt this method is spot on and would improve my game... but it gives me a headache just thinking about it. I watched a vid with Mike Massey on banks and I swear he could have made A's in calculus if he'd ever taken the course.
Bank shots are my nemesis. Sometimes I make them and sometimes I don't. For the most part it looks like I know what I am doing, but to be honest I am only guessing. I will practice this the first chance I get.
Most tables do not have markings on the cushion. You also have to adjust for the cushion not responded as you expect, ie the cushion is softer in places. You simply have to adjust to the environment.
The butt if the cue is the main big number and the rail it will be banked off of represents a number that is half of that. You must make sure the cue stick is cutting through the object ball while simultaneously making sure that the numbers match up 30 to 15 for example would work if it cuts through the object ball
This is one of the few shots that I can do intuitively… I think my brain gets to the same result. I look at what happens if I were to hit the ball dead on… then I figure out if I need to widen or narrow the angle… and then I keep drilling the amount of English and/or contact point on the object ball… something like that 🤷🏾♂️
I get that you referenced the 4-2 diamonds, but why did you specifically halve the difference? Would the same method be applied if it was an 8-4 (or 6-3 and so on) diamond reference? Do you just halve the difference from the closest diamond reference? Thanks for the videos btw, some of these have drastically improved my intuition and skill playing pool in a way other videos and instructors haven't been able to.
Imagine one bank players on a table new to their experience having to learn those adjustments on the fly . . . Unless given prior access. Like Efren often seen knocking the cue back and forth in the kitchen pre-break.
The angle shallowing is a function of the rail material and grade.There are different grades plus natural rubber will act differently than synthetic. Know your table.
The age of your cloth, worn or new will still influence the bank a lot. After you have your cloth replaced you'll find that the banking angles have changed (for the same speed). They also change with heat and humidity. At home you can 'feel' how the table is playing and adjust to it pretty quickly. Not so easy in the pool hall.
When I want to add speed to the shot then I use what I would call the 2/3 system. So instead of 1/2 distance as Sharivari shows, what I do is reference the same spatial distance in one third increments. When using fast cue ball speed then the aiming point I would use is going to be 2/3 over versus one half. This makes for a decent approximation 99% of the time both short rails and long rails.
What tip do you use on your shooting cue, please? Is it a medium hard tip or a hard tip and the brand you use would be nice to know as well. Thank you in advance!!!
I learned something. I didn't know that how hard you hit affects the angle. But you said the angle is "shallowed" Never heard that term before. Is that a pool term?
Look up Tom Rosman's parallel shift method it's much easier, you don't have to remember anything other than how to calculate the center line and if you can't do that you shouldn't be on a pool table.
You have a video of getting shape for your next shot after a bank? Say in 8 ball, the 8 ball is up table and you are on your last ball but it’s a bank like in this video(ex 1:25). Would you you use top right spin, bottom right, etc?
I was taught a much simpler way. Draw a line perpendicular to the bank rail. From there draw a line to pocket you want the 8 to go. Look at that line to the opposite pocket you're making the 8. Where they intersect draw a line perpendicular to the bank rail and that is where the 8 must hit to make the bank shot. It's a much simpler way to see if I could show it on a video. I can't really comprehend your method but then again I don't play at you skill level.
What confuses me is if we aim at the beginning of the railing or the beginning of the table, as the railing has a slight overhang. So when I poke my cue into the railing, it touches the beginning of the table. Is this correct or should I move the cue stick a bit out so that the tip is directly under the beginning of the overhang?
Don't aim at the rail, aim at a point on top of the side of the table like where the diamond is. He has subdivided the foot between the diamonds into smaller parts. You can do the same but in your head.
@@robdetuinman2but that's exactly the problem. If you aim at the diamond, you hit the rail a ball width besides the intended spot it and end up short of potting. In order to hit the center you need to aim a ball a ball width away from the diamond. You can line up the balls at a table or use virtual pool simulator, going from the corner pocket to the side pocket aiming at the diamond to confirm that it will miss the side pocket a ball length to short.
Good question. Imagine the angle you'll get between the pocket and the aiming spot (the four diamond and the two diamond). If you shift down towards the pocket without splitting the difference, you will get the exact same angle, but now that you've shifted down you'll hit the head rail long of the pocket. So how to compensate for that? You're going for a 2 to 1 ratio, so if you just aim at the two diamond in the example, your angle will be off by 1/2 of the difference you should have split, and you'll hit the side rail short of the pocket. To maintain a 2 to 1 ratio you need to halve the angle. Another way to think to it is to envision half the table as a square, and ignore the rest of the table. If your object ball is perfectly aligned between the 4 diamond (side pocket) and 2 diamond, draw the angle, and you'll see that it is 45 degrees. Now measure the angle between the 4 diamond and the corner pocket (0 diamond). You'll see that it is 90 degrees (a 90 degree line splits a square). Now think about what a 45 degree angle will do - a 90 degree angle goes straight to the corner, but you want the opposite corner. 45+45=90. So, when you are shooting from the 4 diamond (side pocket) to the 2 diamond, you are creating that 45 degree angle you want. Now look at an object ball aligned between the 2 diamond and the 1 diamond. If you hit this at a 45 degree angle, it will go straight into the corner pocket. Instead, you want to go half of that, and so the angle between the two diamond and the one diamond is 22.5 degrees. Note that the two diamond to one diamond line splits a rectangle, not a square, which is why the angle is shallower. Now picture an object ball that does not neatly line up on the 4-2 line, but is slightly towards the pocket you are aiming your bank shot at. If you just move your cue over, you maintain a 45 degree angle, but that no longer works, because you are no longer splitting a square, but are splitting a rectangle. If you just shoot the object ball at the two diamond, what angle are you creating? The answer is that you're creating an angle that is half too shallow. In order to maintain a 2 to 1 ratio, you have to split the difference. So one way to conceptualize this is to look at the angle you'd need to hit the ball at to put it straight into a corner pocket, no bank shot. If you are just slightly below the 4 to 2 line, the angle from the side rail to the pocket could be 88 degrees. You'll need to shoot at half of that angle to make a bank shot. When you put your stick on the 4 to 2 line, and move the stick over your object ball, you have created a 45 degree shooting angle that only works within a perfect square - 45+45=90. You want 44+44 = 88. Now if you shift your cue to make your aiming point the 2 diamond, you've changed the angle to 43 degrees. 43+43 = 86 so again you miss. By splitting the difference, you keep the 2 to 1 ratio you want - 45 degrees is too much, and 43 degrees is to little, so by splitting the distance you get that 1 degree you want, 44+44 = 88, and you make the shot (depending on 5,000 other things going right, but that's the basic idea).
Simple math. Since the ball makes the same angle as it goes into the rail, it’s always the half measure. (If you play from diamond 4 into diamond 2 cushion you get diamond 0 (since it makes the same path twice - going into the rail, and coming out of it) Let’s say that in the example the actual “axis” was something like 3.8 diamond - 1.9 diamond. If he parallel shift his cue from the 4-2 axis to the 3.8, he will parallell 0.2, thus finishing jn a 3.8-1.8 instead (which is not a 2:1 system). So you split the 0.2 in half, and you get a 3.8 - 1.9 axis. When the ball is already in a diamond axis it’s easier, of course, no calculation needed.
To make it more visual, put your cue from the middle pocket to the opposite 2nd diamond. Now put a 2nd cue from diamond 3 to the middle between 1 and 2 (1.5). Now compare those lines. If the object ball is exactly in the middle of those, the point to aim for is exactly in the middle as well.
Diamonds are not necessary. Just use your cue stick to measure out and find the angle and then transfer the angle using parallel lines to the object ball. This will mean your object ball will need to hit a set place on the rail so if you don't have diamonds then use the nearer-in felt location (e.g. the bumper edge) and keep your eye on the location on the felt you need to hit in order to pocket the ball using medium speed center ball.
Forgive my stubbornness but instead of "Put your stick here, cut it in half, and then shoot here" how about we get an actual explanation of angles. That would be much more helpful.
It's actually pretty simple, and he does explain it but not in plain words. Basically the angle at which you're sending the ball to the diamond point or any rail point, the ball will bank at the same angle, but the angle can also vary depending on speed or spin on the cue ball.
An actual explanation of angles is called Geometry. Thing is, playing pool like a machine will make you good but the best players learn the concepts somehow and go for it. My best lessons come from getting hammered by the local champions weekly 😅 It's happening much less though lately. Watch, learn, and go play. Challenge players that will beat 99% of the time. I almost guarantee that you will get some excellent tips and advice. Pool players tend to be like fishermen, willing to talk anyone about it.
What happens when the shot demands a "large" cut angle? Won't the cut induced spin on the object ball have a large effect when it hits the rail? The shot shown was reasonably close to no cut.
Can you do One Rail Bank Shots for tables that don't have diamonds? Like for us who play Blackball pool. It might be a nice challenge for you as well ;-)
Yes the diamonds along the long rail and the diamonds along the short rail are all equally spaced and you can then find the "corner" diamond where these two lines intersect. Usually this diamond will be located at just about where the rear of the pocket is located.
No system works the same on every table, because each table plays different. to use a system like this you have to know how the table plays cross table
I've been watching these videos, like this one, where pool players are trying to explain banking with the help of diamonds. I've not seen one that makes any sense. I must conclude that these people are idiots. They can't do the job.
Wtf mate. Learn angles kids. Ain't no one going to play you if you pull this crap every time you play. It's the same as players showing you how to pot and end up in a position. Yes, the top, bottom, left and right spin tutorials are useful, but you also need to understand pace and power and that only comes with practice. Use these tutorials as a starting point and make sure you get used to the angles, and practise those angles over and over again. Do not get used to using a system like this if you have ambitions of playing outside of your own table.
Here's my suggestion. The presenter needs to be clear in his mind who his audience is and make it clear at the start of the video. This is comically useless to a beginner or not very experienced player. Probably great for someone who has some experience.
Well, lets call it a two times two minute tuesday. It was just too important to introduce speed aswell, when we're talking about bank shots.
When r you coming to my house to shoot some pool?
So is it a an actual parallel shift of the entire cue? -or- does the cue butt pivot on that diamond over the pocket while the tip of the cue shifts over the ball (-1/2 the distance only?
Sharivari, where can I purchase those rail sight add on markers?
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Ok, Peter McKinnon.
When I worked for NASA I found it easier for launcher Moon shot then to listen to this guy and it's crazy Theory
You are an excellent teacher. Some people know what to do but they don't know how to share that information adequately.
Everybody is just trying to learn these lessons. I'm just amazed about the way he gets the cue ball @ 03:08
It's interesting that using the location of the diamonds instead of the reflection line that is slightly less than a radius from the rail causes the angle to be a little short, which counteracts the slight amount of widening from a true reflection of most rails. That's why the system works so well in practice.
Big thanks from Indonesia 🇲🇨
Where are you in Indonesia.?
Great video sir. I have been studying this banking system for a week now. You have helped me understand it better.
What a video this is! As a 16 years old beginner I am struggling with bank shots and this video is the solution! Thank you, thank you and again thank you
can also use left/right spin to open/close the angle. spin transfer to object ball and it makes a huge difference when rebound from rail. the lesson here is first reference point for medium speed center hit only.
Indeed, that is one issue not mentioned. Another related issue is that a big adjustment is necessary if the object ball is touching or fairly close to the rail. That is because the object ball will not be rolling into the rail but will tend to have spin that affects the rebound angle in a way similar to using a faster speed (assuming no double kiss). In any case, whatever the speed of the shot and distance of the object ball from the rail, I have found the recommendation of some good bankers to use some side spin to counteract the effect of cut induced throw and spin does improve consistency. That is especially true if you must (as I try to avoid) play bank shots on unfamiliar tables.
And left/right spin has cut induced throw, deflection, spin induced throw, etc... 🤣 people be like, "oh this sports is so easy and doesn't even make you sweat"
@timothybolshaw
And there's the difference between a worn and a new cloth. On a worn cloth playing the cueball with sidespin will influence (its easier to control) the object ball the most, while on a new cloth the speed of the cueball has more influence on the object ball than playing with sidespin.
Like you said, the distance of the object ball to the rail also influences the bank. Its a big difference whether the object ball slides or rolls when it hits the rail.
Yes as a beginner and not expertly on side spin. This is my method for 1 rail bank shots. Kamusta from philippines.
I will be watching this again when I have time because I have seen when opponents have missed banks by shooting too hard, I think this will help me understand why and help me know what I need to do when I have to shoot a bank hard to continue the run. Thanks.
There is nothing in here that will teach you that. This shows you how to aim a shot nothing about speed. BTW Speed into a rail can and will change the angle so its still a learning process and no matter what you have to learn how to delever your cue perfectly to get better. There are many many varibles in a bank shot and you have to have an understanding of how they all effect your shot.
stevenwilfong12
A good way to learn how find the right speed is to shoot a couple of these standard banks with your medium stroke, adjust your speed and go from there. Like bill here says, there's a lot of variabels that influence the bank. Like when the heat and humidity in a poolroom goes up when it gets more busy, the banking angles will get smaller. To adjust for that, you could shoot slightly softer than your standard medium stroke or use sidespin or both, depending on the age of the cloth.
Nice touch with the sliding cross in conjunction the cue. Enjoyed it, thank you.
thanks for the info... iam just starting to learn to play pool iam mesmerized with your cue stick how i wish i have that kind off cue stick thanks idol.. more contents please teach us more..
Hm hadn't thought about speed affecting it so much. Helpful
Thanks for the great lesson. I am happy to watch your channel and learn.
This game is addictive. I can't stop 😂
Most valuable tutorial!
I watch a lot of your videos for pool insights. However for the One-Rail Bank shot (that you posted a few hours ago), there is a simpler way. It involves the intersection of two pool sticks. If you are interested in my method (I read it in a book over twenty years ago), reach back.
Yeah, many years ago the measurement was much easier from what I can recall, but I just don't remember how to calculate it.
@@ghvxgaming Dr. Cue aka Tom Rossman can help you out with his parallel shift method. Its very easy
@@billpii6314 I'll be writing a pool book for beginners. In it I will show that Dr. Rossman's M and M method gives exactly the same point as Mosconi's X method for finding the equal angle point on the rail.
Good guidance. Thank you
I'm inventing a cue stick with a calculator in the handle and a little slide rule and a protractor that slips out of the bottom. I hit a lot of banks consistently but on 'feel'. No doubt this method is spot on and would improve my game... but it gives me a headache just thinking about it. I watched a vid with Mike Massey on banks and I swear he could have made A's in calculus if he'd ever taken the course.
Yeah you don’t have to know any of this. Pool is the same shots over and over, confidence and experience is ALL that’s needed.
@@kevinbeazy hmmmm confidence 🤔😁 I have a friend who says about me," RL isn't always right but he's never in doubt"🤣🤣
Bank shots are my nemesis. Sometimes I make them and sometimes I don't. For the most part it looks like I know what I am doing, but to be honest I am only guessing. I will practice this the first chance I get.
Most tables do not have markings on the cushion. You also have to adjust for the cushion not responded as you expect, ie the cushion is softer in places. You simply have to adjust to the environment.
The butt if the cue is the main big number and the rail it will be banked off of represents a number that is half of that. You must make sure the cue stick is cutting through the object ball while simultaneously making sure that the numbers match up 30 to 15 for example would work if it cuts through the object ball
thank a lot from Viet Nam :DD 😍😍
Going to try it
Nicely taught
This is awesome!
This is one of the few shots that I can do intuitively… I think my brain gets to the same result. I look at what happens if I were to hit the ball dead on… then I figure out if I need to widen or narrow the angle… and then I keep drilling the amount of English and/or contact point on the object ball… something like that 🤷🏾♂️
I get that you referenced the 4-2 diamonds, but why did you specifically halve the difference? Would the same method be applied if it was an 8-4 (or 6-3 and so on) diamond reference? Do you just halve the difference from the closest diamond reference?
Thanks for the videos btw, some of these have drastically improved my intuition and skill playing pool in a way other videos and instructors haven't been able to.
Imagine one bank players on a table new to their experience having to learn those adjustments on the fly . . . Unless given prior access. Like Efren often seen knocking the cue back and forth in the kitchen pre-break.
Love this system. Finally an easy solution.
There are easier
Needed this video!
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Love this video
Hi bro it is really great seeing all your amazing advice
The angle shallowing is a function of the rail material and grade.There are different grades plus natural rubber will act differently than synthetic. Know your table.
The age of your cloth, worn or new will still influence the bank a lot.
After you have your cloth replaced you'll find that the banking angles have changed (for the same speed). They also change with heat and humidity.
At home you can 'feel' how the table is playing and adjust to it pretty quickly. Not so easy in the pool hall.
Is that the crab nebula btw?
since most banks are played with speed, I prefer the 1/3 more than half system.
When I want to add speed to the shot then I use what I would call the 2/3 system. So instead of 1/2 distance as Sharivari shows, what I do is reference the same spatial distance in one third increments. When using fast cue ball speed then the aiming point I would use is going to be 2/3 over versus one half. This makes for a decent approximation 99% of the time both short rails and long rails.
What tip do you use on your shooting cue, please? Is it a medium hard tip or a hard tip and the brand you use would be nice to know as well. Thank you in advance!!!
I learned something. I didn't know that how hard you hit affects the angle. But you said the angle is "shallowed" Never heard that term before. Is that a pool term?
Great info
I will definitely try it as soon as possible! A friend recommended it to for sharing!
Look up Tom Rosman's parallel shift method it's much easier, you don't have to remember anything other than how to calculate the center line and if you can't do that you shouldn't be on a pool table.
Awesome
You have a video of getting shape for your next shot after a bank? Say in 8 ball, the 8 ball is up table and you are on your last ball but it’s a bank like in this video(ex 1:25). Would you you use top right spin, bottom right, etc?
Can you make a video on how to do double bank shots!
I'm having a problem with jamming balls in the pocket when I hit them hard (e.g. on breakshots) - do you have any videos or advice on that?
I was taught a much simpler way. Draw a line perpendicular to the bank rail. From there draw a line to pocket you want the 8 to go. Look at that line to the opposite pocket you're making the 8. Where they intersect draw a line perpendicular to the bank rail and that is where the 8 must hit to make the bank shot. It's a much simpler way to see if I could show it on a video. I can't really comprehend your method but then again I don't play at you skill level.
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Can you make video where ball is at cushion and you want to play 1 rail for that
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At 3:00, what are you saying after the word 'angle'? Shell-out?
shallowed*
Increased speed decreases the angle. Does real slow speed increase the angle?
I know, sounds like a dumb question but I’ll ask anyway.
Yes it does. To change the angle you can also use top ( decrease) bottom ( increase) as well. Hopefully this helps you out. Happy shooting 😃
Such a clear and subtle explanation!.. thanks
Where do you get the rail markers that divide the diamonds into segments?
What confuses me is if we aim at the beginning of the railing or the beginning of the table, as the railing has a slight overhang. So when I poke my cue into the railing, it touches the beginning of the table. Is this correct or should I move the cue stick a bit out so that the tip is directly under the beginning of the overhang?
Don't aim at the rail, aim at a point on top of the side of the table like where the diamond is. He has subdivided the foot between the diamonds into smaller parts. You can do the same but in your head.
@@robdetuinman2but that's exactly the problem. If you aim at the diamond, you hit the rail a ball width besides the intended spot it and end up short of potting. In order to hit the center you need to aim a ball a ball width away from the diamond. You can line up the balls at a table or use virtual pool simulator, going from the corner pocket to the side pocket aiming at the diamond to confirm that it will miss the side pocket a ball length to short.
With what speed are you shooting? And is the cloth new or used? Temperature and humidity play a big roll too
my miss spent youth was over tables, whole wage packets blown in just a few hours for yrs
As soon as I heard his accent I bailed. It's like trying to listen to a telemarketer from India.
his explanation is so good but i still don't understand , wish u could train me man :(
Can you explain why you split the difference?
Good question.
Imagine the angle you'll get between the pocket and the aiming spot (the four diamond and the two diamond).
If you shift down towards the pocket without splitting the difference, you will get the exact same angle, but now that you've shifted down you'll hit the head rail long of the pocket.
So how to compensate for that? You're going for a 2 to 1 ratio, so if you just aim at the two diamond in the example, your angle will be off by 1/2 of the difference you should have split, and you'll hit the side rail short of the pocket. To maintain a 2 to 1 ratio you need to halve the angle.
Another way to think to it is to envision half the table as a square, and ignore the rest of the table.
If your object ball is perfectly aligned between the 4 diamond (side pocket) and 2 diamond, draw the angle, and you'll see that it is 45 degrees. Now measure the angle between the 4 diamond and the corner pocket (0 diamond). You'll see that it is 90 degrees (a 90 degree line splits a square).
Now think about what a 45 degree angle will do - a 90 degree angle goes straight to the corner, but you want the opposite corner. 45+45=90. So, when you are shooting from the 4 diamond (side pocket) to the 2 diamond, you are creating that 45 degree angle you want.
Now look at an object ball aligned between the 2 diamond and the 1 diamond. If you hit this at a 45 degree angle, it will go straight into the corner pocket. Instead, you want to go half of that, and so the angle between the two diamond and the one diamond is 22.5 degrees. Note that the two diamond to one diamond line splits a rectangle, not a square, which is why the angle is shallower.
Now picture an object ball that does not neatly line up on the 4-2 line, but is slightly towards the pocket you are aiming your bank shot at. If you just move your cue over, you maintain a 45 degree angle, but that no longer works, because you are no longer splitting a square, but are splitting a rectangle.
If you just shoot the object ball at the two diamond, what angle are you creating? The answer is that you're creating an angle that is half too shallow. In order to maintain a 2 to 1 ratio, you have to split the difference.
So one way to conceptualize this is to look at the angle you'd need to hit the ball at to put it straight into a corner pocket, no bank shot. If you are just slightly below the 4 to 2 line, the angle from the side rail to the pocket could be 88 degrees. You'll need to shoot at half of that angle to make a bank shot. When you put your stick on the 4 to 2 line, and move the stick over your object ball, you have created a 45 degree shooting angle that only works within a perfect square - 45+45=90. You want 44+44 = 88. Now if you shift your cue to make your aiming point the 2 diamond, you've changed the angle to 43 degrees. 43+43 = 86 so again you miss. By splitting the difference, you keep the 2 to 1 ratio you want - 45 degrees is too much, and 43 degrees is to little, so by splitting the distance you get that 1 degree you want, 44+44 = 88, and you make the shot (depending on 5,000 other things going right, but that's the basic idea).
Why split the difference for the aiming point?
Simple math. Since the ball makes the same angle as it goes into the rail, it’s always the half measure. (If you play from diamond 4 into diamond 2 cushion you get diamond 0 (since it makes the same path twice - going into the rail, and coming out of it)
Let’s say that in the example the actual “axis” was something like 3.8 diamond - 1.9 diamond. If he parallel shift his cue from the 4-2 axis to the 3.8, he will parallell 0.2, thus finishing jn a 3.8-1.8 instead (which is not a 2:1 system). So you split the 0.2 in half, and you get a 3.8 - 1.9 axis. When the ball is already in a diamond axis it’s easier, of course, no calculation needed.
To make it more visual, put your cue from the middle pocket to the opposite 2nd diamond. Now put a 2nd cue from diamond 3 to the middle between 1 and 2 (1.5).
Now compare those lines. If the object ball is exactly in the middle of those, the point to aim for is exactly in the middle as well.
Hi do you work it out if I don't have diamonds on pool table thanks.
Diamonds are not necessary. Just use your cue stick to measure out and find the angle and then transfer the angle using parallel lines to the object ball. This will mean your object ball will need to hit a set place on the rail so if you don't have diamonds then use the nearer-in felt location (e.g. the bumper edge) and keep your eye on the location on the felt you need to hit in order to pocket the ball using medium speed center ball.
Forgive my stubbornness but instead of "Put your stick here, cut it in half, and then shoot here" how about we get an actual explanation of angles. That would be much more helpful.
It's actually pretty simple, and he does explain it but not in plain words. Basically the angle at which you're sending the ball to the diamond point or any rail point, the ball will bank at the same angle, but the angle can also vary depending on speed or spin on the cue ball.
Do you even play pool?
He explained it!?
Forgive my correction but it’s not stubbornness it’s ignorance.
An actual explanation of angles is called Geometry.
Thing is, playing pool like a machine will make you good but the best players learn the concepts somehow and go for it. My best lessons come from getting hammered by the local champions weekly 😅 It's happening much less though lately.
Watch, learn, and go play. Challenge players that will beat 99% of the time. I almost guarantee that you will get some excellent tips and advice. Pool players tend to be like fishermen, willing to talk anyone about it.
Nice video.... But might be better with an overview shot to understand better
What happens when the shot demands a "large" cut angle? Won't the cut induced spin on the object ball have a large effect when it hits the rail? The shot shown was reasonably close to no cut.
Do yourself a favor and get Tor Lowry's system. You will become a better banker and kicker IMMEDIATELY.
To widen the angle just hit the object ball softer into the rail than medium speed.
The easiest way to makes banks is use the light reflections in the ball as aiming points
Que bueno seria tus tutoriales con subtitulos en español!! Veo los videos pero cuesta el idioma!
First comment! Wow great illustrations Sharivari!
Me watching this and playing on english pool tables: Aww shit back to the drawing board
Completely lost in a matter of 1 and a half minutes.
Can you do One Rail Bank Shots for tables that don't have diamonds? Like for us who play Blackball pool. It might be a nice challenge for you as well ;-)
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How does this method work for long rail banks?
Same system just all measurements are 1/2 of those that would have been calculated on the long rail
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I’ve always wondered, where are the diamonds in the pockets?? How can I aim from the pockets without knowing where the diamonds would be.?
Use your stick to measure ie measure 1 diamond length, then you'll see from the first into the pocket. It surprised me a bit where it was.
Yes the diamonds along the long rail and the diamonds along the short rail are all equally spaced and you can then find the "corner" diamond where these two lines intersect. Usually this diamond will be located at just about where the rear of the pocket is located.
Speed being involved was the piece I was missing
Spin also affects it.
Biggest problem on every table speed differences
I don’t know if I even consider it calculating for me. Just gotta make sense😂 see it happening
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You need to explain why you need to split the difference.
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I'm more confused now than when I started this video 🤷
That’s easy.. One rail = One bet.. 2rails = 2 bets, and so on..
You were talking about bank pool ring games, right?..
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No system works the same on every table, because each table plays different. to use a system like this you have to know how the table plays cross table
A couple of banks and you'll know and can adjust
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Ralph Eckert's system is a bit more applicable to 9 ball
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Broo why are you overcomplicating
Opens video with a scratch shot
If you watch till the end, you will see that you are wrong.
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Way to complicated for people who are just learning... mirror system will be much easier for them
Im aire anyone can undertand it in less than 30 seconds jeaus christ
why do you think that? also. go ask to confirm.
seems complicated
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So complicated. The X system work more simple
I've been watching these videos, like this one, where pool players are trying to explain banking with the help of diamonds. I've not seen one that makes any sense. I must conclude that these people are idiots. They can't do the job.
Wtf mate. Learn angles kids. Ain't no one going to play you if you pull this crap every time you play. It's the same as players showing you how to pot and end up in a position. Yes, the top, bottom, left and right spin tutorials are useful, but you also need to understand pace and power and that only comes with practice. Use these tutorials as a starting point and make sure you get used to the angles, and practise those angles over and over again. Do not get used to using a system like this if you have ambitions of playing outside of your own table.
Here's my suggestion. The presenter needs to be clear in his mind who his audience is and make it clear at the start of the video. This is comically useless to a beginner or not very experienced player. Probably great for someone who has some experience.
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