How To PUNISH Early Queen Attacks
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After watch this video, It is time to beat my friend who play scholar's mate.
This helped me so much
Isn't it called wayward Queen opening
@@joinfortherapy6470 That’s the move QH5 by itself, scholar’s mate is a continuation from the queen move. It’s this really basic mate in 4 moves for white but it’s quite easy to avoid even for beginners
Hahahah yes I love how excited you are when trying new things or trick just like me
I can’t even begin to tell you how many times people tried the Scholar’s mate on me today. Punished them every single time
Thanks, I’m new to chess and I never know what to do against those early queen attacks, so this helped me a lot.
@BradynLee09 it is not stupid if you know exactly what you are doing and have infinite backup plans
@BradynLee09 Its a good opening for bullet chess.
1k and yeah, this early queen alays caught me.
@@-_deploy_- there's a reason kasparov said that late queen activation is better, a decent player can defend perfectly
@@frogz608 whatever kasparov says
I’m a complete beginner who began playing a couple days ago. I didn’t expect myself to need to study how to play chess for hours on end 😂
I'm also beginner wanna play with me?
I started 3 days ago I’m definitely getting better
Yup, that's the beauty of chess, it's a simple game but if you want to REALLY play all of a sudden you have years of learning in front of you, good luck and have fun!
@@Pierraceme too
Addicting isn't it?
The Wayward Queen attack seems like a great opening, until you're no longer 400 rated.
I'm 400 and thought the queen attack was good lol
Yeah once you hit +425-450 it’s over played and easily countered
Retarded people can play better than 400 rated players
Bro. I'm 1100 and it still regularly works 💀
@@ARCbirdmanthis is the actual case, why must nerds exaggerate these things?
I love when an opponent uses wayward queen. I get a fast development and they end up losing their queen with no development. Usually ends in a rage quit
I reached 2000 on lichess using wayward queen attack... don't underestimate the opening too much.
@@michalrehacek3462wow lichess players probably play like 100 rated players
@@michalrehacek3462on lichess of course
The wayward queen, aka the freelo gambit.
I call it that because if it succeeds it's basically an instant win. But if it fails then it's basically an instant loss
It's not an instant loss
@@Saul_Goodman497 most people know how to tackle the scholars mate.. and some people do not know what to do after the scholars mate, so it's a loss to the opponent who used the scholars mate trap..
It's decent for blitz or bullet
@@danneltheflannel no it definitely is not.
@@danneltheflannel What's your rating?
The best piece of advice I got when I was new was just “look at every piece the queen attacks”. Incredibly obvious in theory, but just taking an extra second to be sure I’m not moving a key defender away from a piece meant queen attacks were suddenly easy to beat instead of terrifying
one thing to note about early queen attacks are its position and your pieces position.
yeah the queen looks scary, but always remember the queen cant mate by itself. it always needs at least one piece to deliver a mate.
you gotta check all the squares on which the queen can attack you and defend properly. while you're driving the queen away (because enemy is looking for potential mate) you found yourself developing pieces more and they just keep on moving the same piece again and again achieving nothing.
Technically it can mate alone, where even a rook couldnt.
I said „technically” to underline that it doesnt matter, and you wrote everything perfectly and not to be snarky.
@@lupsik1 a rook can also mate in its own
@@shanginadildo I meant that it can mate where a rook cant. Lika a king behind a single pawn.
the one piece is real
@@lupsik1 A bishop and a knight can mate on their own too given the right circumstances.
On concept #3, you missed the best move, which was also the topic of your video from two days ago. Move the knight attacking the queen results in a discovered check and the knight is blocking the queen instead of checking with the bishop.
They can block with the queen though
The queen can just come back and block the check, so there is no threat on their queen though
@@Mileschad Yeah but you're down 2 pawns and 99% of the time it isn't a good idea to trade queens when you have a more active and attacking position
I like how people think they know more than masters lol. That's not a great move because white plays Qd2 and you lose a lot of your attack. Bg4 is absolutely brutal. If Ke1, black plays Nxc2++ (mate). If Kd2, then black plays Nf5+, with the discovery now, white can't block with the queen. If white blocks the check with f3, Nf3, Ne2, or Bd2, then black captures with the knight and has a discovered attack with the queen, all of which are way more devastating
Move the knight in front of the white bishops pawn on the left side. You take a pawn and when he blocks with the queen, you take it with queen for checkmate.
As someone who almost always does early queen attacks, this was a very insightful video, and perhaps I may try some other strategies.
It only works against 500 or less elo players, people play counter play after that.
I really think you should stop playing early queen attacks. Above 500-800 elo, you will start losing almost every game.
At 7:02, I think Nf5+ is also a good move. White's king is in a discovered check, and their queen is under attack as well
then theyd play Qd2, then youd have to move your knight out of the way of the attack from the pawn on e4, Nd4 gives up the knight, Nd6 causes a fork on the knights from the pawn, and anything else opens black up to a potential queen trade that prevents castling
@@Anthony_LaVigna what about Nxe4 and after Qxd8+ simply Bxd8. the knight then threatens a fork on f2 resulting in your opponent Ke1. you're still able to longcastle and have more pieces developped. 1 pawn down at the cost of a better position.
edit: to be clear;
1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nf6 3. Qxe5+ Be7 4. d3 Nc6 5. Qg3 Nd4 6. Qxg7 Rg8 7. Qh6 d5 8. Kd1 dxe4 9. dxe4 Nf5+ 10. Qd2 Nxe4 11. Qxd8+ Bxd8 12. Ke1
They just move queen D2 and you've got a queen exchange. I like B3 better for the discovered check and you get the rook.
Learning to deal with early queen attacks from low level players really allowed me to flourish in the game. Your video was a crucial part of my learning to combat them and I wanted to credit and thank you.
At 7:07, better move would have been Nf4 as there is discovered check and you win queen
They can play Qd2 which blocks check and offers a trade of queens
Your channel is so awesome. I sometimes take a break from chess because I can’t find that many people to play with. Every time I get back into it I come back to your channel. Love the way you approach things. 🔥🔥🔥
7:03 you can play knight f5 taking/trading the opponents queen, taking assuming they move the king in check and trading if they block the check with the queen
I was thinking the same
4:34 Also in this situation, there is a fork with knight. (Knight X C2, that move forks Queen and Rook same time. It forces the King to move, because they can't eat the knight in any way, this way you both get a free queen and your opponent loses the right to castling.)
If your king isn't in check, then this would be a nice tactic.
i was thinking that myself. that would've been spectacular.
it wasn't though.
Even if you was in check, you'd eat the queen and be gobbled up by a pawn before you could even get the rook. I'm confused on why they'd have to move the king if the knight was at C2 as it can't reach E1
It's called capture or take, not "eat"
So refreshing to see someone get right to the damn point and outline the strategy from the jump.
A few minutes after watching I played against someone who did the same queen opening as shown in the video. I applied what I learned and got a checkmate in 13 moves!
U have to defend also not just develop
congrats :)
7:01 the best move here is to bring the knight to f5 and that would be a discovered attack to king while at the same time queen would be under attack of that knight we just moved
i saw the same
They just block with the queen
I was thinking of the same thing but knight b3 would be a better move because you would win a free rook
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus2187 yeah right
@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus2187 yes, but after that you need to attach the pond in the centre with your second knife and after that move you would definitely take opponent’s queen
This helped me so much. Just played a game where this exact thing happened. I counter attacked his Queen to where he eventually lined up the Queen behind the bishop on the white diagonal, and I made the knight move you mentioned sacrificing the pawn. He took the pawn putting my king in check, I moved the Queen up to get out of check, he realized his Queen was under attack so he moved it to the dark square, thus hanging the bishop so I was able to capture it with my king.
That's absolutely mindblowing. *Nelson* teach us how to avoid early *Queen attacks!*
i used to get screwed so much was i was a noob, by nelson. usually he would checkmate in 5-6 turns. At least now, i'm aware of what to do when he sends out queen on turn2
Why does this feel so much like a bot comment lmao
@@zxph ong
And he sacrificed... THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
@@theinternetofficer6594 what was incorrect? That's my fourth language :D
Hello , i always wanted to play agressivly with the queen but now , i see that it’s not really that aggressive, thank you for your video
Actually it can mate by itself
@@Ahmetburakacil huh?
@@zondaken i commented on thewrong comment lol
Early queen attacks are a bad way to play chess.
This video and the spreadsheet is like the best thing ever. I've been wanting to learn chess for over a decade and have been entirely overwhelmed by dates and tactics they id never be able to actually apply and I never get anywhere.
I just lost earlier to this type of early queen attack, thank you for making me learn much faster on what I have to do, ill continue watching your channel so I would become a better player
I always love it when I see early queen attacks. I am usually between 1300 and 1400, so it is quite rare. But when I do get it, I can usually get a decent position. Opponents in my range usually will know the common counters, including getting your knight to d4. Usually they will position either a pawn or knight to defend that square.
Thanks for the info, I’m at 450 elo and I like using the wayward queen to put pressure on my opponent and catch them off guard. I’m at a level where it works half the time and now I know how to recognize when it’s not working and recover before it’s too late.
Goofy ahh
Thanks! I'm intermediate but I've always particularly struggled defending against early Queen attacks. This'll help!
@@TheRomanianWolf 1000-1500
Never thought guides to beating Nelson would get this complicated
lmao
I love shogi,Jananese chess,thus I am very interested in chess,too.Thank you for your clear explanation.
This video helped me A LOT when i first started playing. I stopped and I recently started back and now I'm facing the same problem watching the same video.
I’ve watched this video 5 times to counter my sons from their early queen attacks, needless to say, I’m winning 😂 thanks bro!
On concept 2, when you move your knight to d4 to attack the queen, you can fork afterwards the king and rook
Really like these conceptual videos! Very instructive as always, thanks!
After falling for this fork and unfortunate mate many times, I now have learned how to defend and potentially win.
It has to been over 20 loses on the wayward attack/scholars mate. Quite frankly, some of loses were from the bot 😂
First couple times I got burned by Nelson (the bot) I figured out some strategies. I guess that bot learns somehow and hasn't gone to that quick "Queen Out" strategy as much. I love playing the bots in a ladder system (play until I beat one then go to Next Bot OR have to beat them three straight times before I go on). Playing bots allows me to relax a little more and take my time learning tactics.
@@jamesr1021 I agree man
during the tactic you're discussing around ~7:30 where we plan on trading our bishop for a fork on the king and rook, if white delays recapturing the bishop, and instead plays Qe5+ they can fork the knights and completely ruin black's plan to take the rook.
I often encounter this early opening as a 900 player.. it's so annoying that they waste multiple moves this tactic is excellent don't mind them just keep developing
7:00 u could also do nf6 if they take pawn e4
7:02 knight to f5 is a nice move, checking the king and attacking the queen at the same time.
The black queen can retreat to d2 to block the check
At 2:30 you can also move the Knight to d4 which threatens the queen and you can also fork the rook and the king on the next move
I got a game with the opponent pre-moving scholar's mate... Lost bishop, and queen and resigned lol
Happened to me yesterday, my player thought he was going get a win mate - nope 😆 try turning the tables 😂
Thank you nelson! Ever since I've started playing chess I have gotten much better watching your videos from getting an estimated elo of 800 to an estimated elo of 1550! (even though my rating is 1039)
Nelson, you do a nice job of keeping the narrative simple and easy to follow. Avoiding too many parenthetical expressions and tangents that some of the experts have in their tutorials. Well done.
Thanks a lot, Brad!
I saw a video of other guy but this one is better by far far far. You rock man thx
whats also cool with the position at 4:15 is that you can gork their king-rook if they dont pay attention and stip defending c2
at 4:33 he could made it at c2 with a check and then taking the queen
Nelson, your videos are so damn good. Concise, clear & extremely helpful. Best chess channel in my opinion, by far. Keep up the great work! 🙏🏻👍🏻
agreed
Nelson is helping me to beat that annoying chess bot Nelson
Subscribed man! You're an amazing educator!
Very good video, taught me a lot thank you so much
Have been a victim of this kind of attack when I was a kid, have also been a perpetrator of this when I am up against a newbie, but never knew the danger or the exploit behind it (since the pros don't do that kind of opening). Thank you for this.
Kight to c6 is actually one of the best move here
Agree.
I am a beginner now for over 5 decades. Thanks so much!!!! Watching from the Philippines.
I am so happy to learn this skill and beat the neeko bot. Thank you so much 👍🏻
Thank you for another great lesson Nelson
7:15 you can take white queen by attacking it with the knight
Queen D2
@@Outcastsage9033 aight thanks i was thinking knight move but you are right
it was the opposite, the moves were being reversed
I just recently got into chess and I love your channel dude! It’s my favorite on TH-cam!
I watched this video, queued up a game, got the queen brought out on me early, and ended the game with 5 queens. Thank you so much
Hi Nelson sir. Can you please advice. I'm 2000+ on puzzles but on games I'm around 1000 to 1200 and I lose by silly blunders and unable to spot tactics for opponents and me which I can in puzzles
I always try scholars mate but now i see why i should try it more scarcely
I noticed at 7:01 that you could move the knight to c3 discovered check on whites king and winning that queen on next move, unless well he/she blocks check with the queen, but it's like a hope attack 🤷🏽♂️
Glad I found this video. I'm practicing chess and Martin always does this
Perfect timing with this recommendation. Just got into chess recently & yesterday someone absolutely merked me with that early queen.
Lol. 5:40. Someone just the day before today tried going at me with the queen. I played the first 3 moves exactly how chess vibes did by accident. Eventually down the line I accidentally trapped his queen and he had to sacrifice. I could tell it irritated him.
In your example at 4:30, you could also move the knight to C2 and do a threeway fork with check and take their queen. Good move or no?
well yes, but they put you in check, so the check is needed to be cleared first, but if after the capture the queen hasn't moved or moved to a spot not defending C2, ez rook.
To counter scholar mate I always start with queen pawn move 1, then knight to c6, and then knight to e5, it will fork queen and bishop. If they make a move like D4 to take your knight out I use knight to h3 instead as it covers the checkmate square and is protected by the g2 peon
This video makes so much sense. I am going to rewatch is to that I can get the black defense strat. I am a beginner and I want to practice against Nelson.
Near the end of concept 3 there was a possible discovered check + fork on the queen
Yh I saw that too
Not really, they just being the queen back to d2
@@nyquist_control didn’t see that tbf
I’ve recently lost the motivation to omprova at chess since i keep getting impatient and making dummy mistakes. This video gave me a new way to think and motivation to keep improving thanks a lot man your actually 1 of the most entertaining and usefull chess channels like Gotham chess
I once fell for the Wayward Queen attack and answered with pawn G6, but then turned it around and boxed the Queen in and made it impossible for her to escape. All attempts to weaken the box somehow only ended in the opponent losing several pieces and when there was no escape anymore, he just gave up lol.
sensational hints that u gave in this vid, thx so much!
I've just got into 4 player chess, [~1500] I'd love to see some opening strats for that.
I push my queen early to set up a promotion stand off in the middle of the board.
7:00 dknight to f5 is the best move where u will be winning the queen
Then they block with Queen. If you take, then they take back with pawn which defends their centre pawn
@@Basisreallycool you mean take back with knight right ?
Wow, that's really cool explanation of chess principles comparing to the most youtubers just showing games
Hi Nelson I only subscribed today to your channel and am learning alot thanks! Could you please do a video of a basic guideline on when to accept a queen trade and when to decline a queen trade?
4:20 royal fork miss
Where
@Flame at 4:20 bro, watch a few secs then c7
Thanks
After Bxa3, white can play Qe4* check forking the king and knight so you really can't get the rook unless the players are low elos. But good video as always.
At 6:10 , you probably mean Qe4 as Qd4 is impossible
@@RobokiYT thanks
Letting the B and G pawns get taken reminds me of that move from Space Invaders where you fire through your own barriers to get a good shot
The best youtube channel out there to learn chess. Thanks man.
7:01 I would recommend doing knight f6 allowing for a discovered check on king and an attack on the queen by the knight. Their best move is to block the attack with their queen but I’m sure there is some crazy checkmate sequence out their for this position lol
Literally came to comments to say that lol (Also knight F5 right?)
It probably isn't a GM level move but I can see a few lines that while it would trade queens it essentially has all of blacks pieces developed while white hasn't developed anything.
Nice tip for that irritating queen move, mostly it's solution is based on the principles of *Luna's defense*
1. Let the enemy bleed until they exhaust his will to fight more.
2. If they have the numbers, show him brains to face on
3. Let the warfare last slower until you're forces are ready in position
Your* ;)
What I typically do is pawn d6 after the queen comes out, then queen E7 in front of the king when the bishop comes out, then pretty much no matter what knight F6 will be available to drive out the queen, and much of the board is occupied with the queen and bishops long diagonals
I downloaded the tier list in excel, thank you, it's super useful!
7.03 Nf5 + = free queen
queen can block the check and force a queen trade
7:01 you missed a really good move that wins the queen nf5+
Discovered attacks like that are good to seek out but with that move the queen could retreat to d2 covering the check and negating the threat of the knight capturing it
Great advice. I seem to find myself against this start all the time!
really great video, as i've come to expect
7:14 The best move would actually be K(knight)dF5, because the queen would be giving a check to the queen, and the knight also attacks white’s queen at the same time, basically winning a queen
Nope. The queen blocks the check and it basically forces a queen trade, if you wish.
@@aleksworld547 i did not notice that at all
@@devyishere1 try knight f3
Wait no it has the same problem bishop blocks and takes from queen and knight
Decades ago, during my college years, I played a game of chess with a fellow student, a girl who'd never fail to let a moment pass within which she would remind anyone nearby how smart she was. So, I started the game. I brought my queen out early, captured an unprotected pawn, but managed to get it hung-up on B7. I resisted thoughts that I had blundered and managed to develop a really strong middle attack with my other pieces directed at her un-castled king. Obsessed with freeing my queen, I suddenly realized the only safe move I had for it was to E7: checkmate. Completely unplanned. To the explosion of laughter from those watching, I realized instead of a win it was an escape (which I said to her), and I never wanted to play her again.
You should've went along with it lol
Super! Danke! Very helpful!
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I like your analysis and options for a winning position. Thank you. How would a computer on white side play this game?
Thanks for this. I'm a beginner and this is helpful
Thanks for this info., i usually would bring out my Queen too to defend against Queen. Your strategy is better, I'll do this.
Thanks for the Guide man!
I haven't watched this yet but I'm sure it will help, wayward queen has messed me up many a time
Thank you so much! This will help me a lot.
7:03 you can play Nf6! It puts a discovered check on their king while attacking the queen at the same time
F5
Thanks! It was very helpful
I like the fact getting tempo as opponent queens playing around
Usually i also play variant where bishop move first instead of queen. Alternate their position on each game for variety. Sometimes i offer mutual queen kill.
6:06 after Na3 Bxa3 white has Qe5+ fork that collects back the knight, it's a playable line for white
Then black could play Ne6 protecting the king with the knight a no protecting both knights with pawns
@@harrisondevlin509 then you take the hanging bishop and end up with bishop pair
i was thinking the same thing
Thanks for the video and tips!Early queen attacks is super annoying so this really helped !
Glad it helped!