This short film actually highlights the exact spot in the book, where I’m at The Limit by Michael Cannell Life and death on the 1961 Grand Prix circuit
I've just finished reading that very book for the second time. It's a great read. Also an excellent read is Touch wood the Autobiography of 1953 Le mans winner Duncan Hamilton.
Generally the Ferrari 246 was significantly faster than the Vanwall in 1958. It was the first year the GPs were run on standard avgas rather than spirits. up until 1957 F1 world championship races were run over 500km or 300 miles while in 1958 the distance was changed to 300km or 186 miles which meant the races were very short. From about 1960-1970 the distnace was changed to a min of 300km or 2hrs which meant the 1963 French and Belgian would be 313 miles or 500km and the 1970 US, Italian and Belgian 400km. However in 1958 only the short races made the Ferrari 246 vIable and the Championship possible for Hawthorn and expains why in 1958 in Morroco Hawthorn is intend on driving as slowly as possible to stay ahead of Brooks and Lewis Evans and as at Le Mans in 55 Mike is driving at 100% concentration to maximise his chance of finishing 2nd. It is in fact his both brilliant and ruthless drive. If only we had good film of the hawthorn/ brooks duel for 3rd in the middle of this race.
When you say "Spirits" do you prefer Vodka, Methanol, Pure Alcohol or Whisky ? I find my car runs best on 100% Vegetable oil and you can eat the smell. But there again it is a Diesel !!
No, two hours was a maximum for slow or delayed races. 1960s gps were max 200 miles. The shortening was because petrol fuel gave fewer miles per gallon.
Perfect 'English' Raymond' & Google would have no problem with 'Translate' as you give and pronounce every consonant. 100% Cut Glass English as it should be spoken.
GrrMeister *Kiitos, tulee suomalaiset; Curt Lincoln, Leo Kinnunen, Keke Rosberg, Mikä Häkkinen ja Kimi Rosberg. Tässä Bangkok-Jomppa VOLOVON XC60 T8 ratissa* th-cam.com/video/VOggAvPuLmM/w-d-xo.html
YN Simha *Kiitos, tulee suomalaiset; Curt Lincoln, Leo Kinnunen, Keke Rosberg, Mikä Häkkinen ja Kimi Rosberg. Tässä Bangkok-Jomppa VOLOVON XC60 T8 ratissa* th-cam.com/video/VOggAvPuLmM/w-d-xo.html
Yes.. races we're about endurance. Often a car was clearly faster than another at some point so they didn't hold them up, then in twenty laps when his car is bad he will move over and let the guy coming up to pass..
At places where the cars were close to each other in performance and no team orders were at play we say some fantastic races.. Monza usually comes to mind..
YN Simha *Kiitos, tulee suomalaiset; Curt Lincoln, Leo Kinnunen, Keke Rosberg, Mikä Häkkinen ja Kimi Rosberg. Tässä Bangkok-Jomppa VOLOVON XC60 T8 ratissa* th-cam.com/video/VOggAvPuLmM/w-d-xo.html
3 out of 4 of these cars in the opening had fatal crashes, albeit the Cooper Climax in another season. Not sure if Maserati also had one. EDIT: not the Maserati.
Mike Hawthorn only won because Moss's car was riddled with problems Moss won four races that year to Hawthorn's one and had he being driving a reliable car would have won the title with ease. It's a travesty that Hawthorn was crowned champion.
Completely agreed, and his cold, calculating and devil-may-care driving attitude was poison. He deliberately drove in a way that would affect even his teammates -poor Musso was but one of his targets- while scheming with Collins to get shared scores that would benefit them financially. Never an ounce of remorse for his part in the 1955 LeMans tragedy. However, he would not live to see the end of the year.
I love the way thrs all 'jump' the start!
I'm french but I understand everything..thank you, mister Baxter !
What happened to the second part ?
Recorded much later. He was only 36 in 1958.
This short film actually highlights the exact spot in the book, where I’m at
The Limit by Michael Cannell
Life and death on the 1961 Grand Prix circuit
I've just finished reading that very book for the second time. It's a great read. Also an excellent read is Touch wood the Autobiography of 1953 Le mans winner Duncan Hamilton.
Generally the Ferrari 246 was significantly faster than the Vanwall in 1958. It was the first year the GPs were run on standard avgas rather than spirits. up until 1957 F1 world championship races were run over 500km or 300 miles while in 1958 the distance was changed to 300km or 186 miles which meant the races were very short. From about 1960-1970 the distnace was changed to a min of 300km or 2hrs which meant the 1963 French and Belgian would be 313 miles or 500km and the 1970 US, Italian and Belgian 400km. However in 1958 only the short races made the Ferrari 246 vIable and the Championship possible for Hawthorn and expains why in 1958 in Morroco Hawthorn is intend on driving as slowly as possible to stay ahead of Brooks and Lewis Evans and as at Le Mans in 55 Mike is driving at 100% concentration to maximise his chance of finishing 2nd. It is in fact his both brilliant and ruthless drive. If only we had good film of the hawthorn/ brooks duel for 3rd in the middle of this race.
When you say "Spirits" do you prefer Vodka, Methanol, Pure Alcohol or Whisky ?
I find my car runs best on 100% Vegetable oil and you can eat the smell. But there again it is a Diesel !!
The way they treated Musso was a disgrace.
No, two hours was a maximum for slow or delayed races. 1960s gps were max 200 miles. The shortening was because petrol fuel gave fewer miles per gallon.
Part 2?
Shown as part of Channel 4's 1997 "Stirling Moss Night".
Part 2?
Great documentary, but the argentine race"not previously on the G.P. calendar" ? Correct, apart from 53 to 57.
Note the Cooper (2:40) mentioned by Raymond Baxter is still very much with us 60 years later in the form of the Mini Cooper. (2018)
Perfect 'English' Raymond' & Google would have no problem with 'Translate' as you give and pronounce every consonant. 100% Cut Glass English as it should be spoken.
GrrMeister *Kiitos, tulee suomalaiset; Curt Lincoln, Leo Kinnunen, Keke Rosberg, Mikä Häkkinen ja Kimi Rosberg. Tässä Bangkok-Jomppa VOLOVON XC60 T8 ratissa* th-cam.com/video/VOggAvPuLmM/w-d-xo.html
What happened to the second part of this video
How did it go ?
@Perry Comeau So, Pierino, you did forget to ask, didn't you.
@@GrrMeister Well, Peter Collins won his last GP, but I'd like the video to have continued to show that.
Does anybody know the music used for the intro?
Arry Beautifull
Wow just wow....
YN Simha *Kiitos, tulee suomalaiset; Curt Lincoln, Leo Kinnunen, Keke Rosberg, Mikä Häkkinen ja Kimi Rosberg. Tässä Bangkok-Jomppa VOLOVON XC60 T8 ratissa* th-cam.com/video/VOggAvPuLmM/w-d-xo.html
Mike Hawthorn #1
Wave through... they allowed each other to overtake
Yes.. races we're about endurance. Often a car was clearly faster than another at some point so they didn't hold them up, then in twenty laps when his car is bad he will move over and let the guy coming up to pass..
At places where the cars were close to each other in performance and no team orders were at play we say some fantastic races.. Monza usually comes to mind..
YN Simha *Kiitos, tulee suomalaiset; Curt Lincoln, Leo Kinnunen, Keke Rosberg, Mikä Häkkinen ja Kimi Rosberg. Tässä Bangkok-Jomppa VOLOVON XC60 T8 ratissa* th-cam.com/video/VOggAvPuLmM/w-d-xo.html
Now they crash into each other to pass
@@firebir11Not often but yeah that happens once or twice
Raymond Baxter died in 2006 aged 84... so I'm guessing this clip is early 90s? Any idea?
I think it's early 00's
It was answered in the top comment.
1997, Sterling Moss Night.
3 out of 4 of these cars in the opening had fatal crashes, albeit the Cooper Climax in another season.
Not sure if Maserati also had one.
EDIT: not the Maserati.
Damgerous cars hars to drive moss loose championship for 1 point great season
British car, British Driver, Italian underpants
Mike Hawthorn only won because Moss's car was riddled with problems Moss won four races that year to Hawthorn's one and had he being driving a reliable car would have won the title with ease. It's a travesty that Hawthorn was crowned champion.
@Tom Smith It was definitely his unreliable car that cost him dearly, no question about it.
Completely agreed, and his cold, calculating and devil-may-care driving attitude was poison. He deliberately drove in a way that would affect even his teammates -poor Musso was but one of his targets- while scheming with Collins to get shared scores that would benefit them financially. Never an ounce of remorse for his part in the 1955 LeMans tragedy.
However, he would not live to see the end of the year.
As I recall, Phil Hill was ahead of Hawthorn, who was not having a great day and let Mike through at the end.
Ah good old RP. Pity more don't speak as clearly as Mr Baxter.