Graeme Souness & Simon Jordan DISAGREE Over If Wayne Rooney Has Been UNLUCKY In Management 👀
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- TalkSPORT's Graeme Souness and Simon Jordan discuss Birmingham City's appointment of Tony Mowbray and debate if Wayne Rooney has been unlucky in management.
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Credit to Simon for calling out the situation for what it was about the people (person) around Wagner being a problem (Cook)
Hiring Rooney was a shocker, even as a VILLA fan I was thinking WTF!
I think Rooney should give up his dreams of being a manager for now, become someone’s number 2 and gain experience that way.
Agree. He will benefit from that experience I’m sure.
I agree.
He might learn some new tactics and playing styles being under the guidance of another Manager.
I think that Lampard and Gerrard might want to think about doing something similar.
he's not unlucky, he's unintelligible.
Lets get something straight....Rooney was bought in to get Derby promoted NOT survival relegation. In his firsf season with NO points Deducted he survived relegation by ONE point. Only cos two teams were Deducted points. In his 2nd season they were relegated. Yes they had a points deduction but even without that they'd have finished near relegation. He was USELESS at Derby too..
Good points made 👏👍
I am no fan of him as a manager and concur with your facts
Mowbray is a good choice he will get the job done there Will be no slouching under him.
Can guarantee if it was a foreign manager in Rooney's shoes, Souness wouldn't be defending him.
Good appointment from a Sunderland fan, he will bring stability to the club and play to the teams strengths. I'm sure you will quickly climb the table
@user-tn8uu2cu8g will there be a buffet?
As a Birmingham fan I think Simon was s spot on!
So that's the excuse people are gonna start making, 'Rooney has been unlucky', the bottom line is he has around a 25% win rate as a manager and Birmingham were a contender for promotion before Rooney took over and now they are a candidate for relegation. He's not unlucky he is not good enough.
Since Graham said Scotland should let Ukraine win. I have not been able to take anything he says as serious.
But they're at "war" 🤥
Did he actually say that? Unbelievable
@@PorkChopExpress86 War/Money Laundering Operation.
@@adam.677 yes he did. It was when they were saying in the so-called mainstream media. Should Ukraine get automatic qualification.
He never said that. He said that he would support them in the match and he would like them to qualify and win the Word Cup.
Souness he was unlucky bloody hell, souness wanted lampard at Rangers what a pundit 🤣🤣
Simon & Graeme = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts
Souness backtracking on his “have the right people around you” with the old “lucky” comment - woosy
Sol Campbell loving this 😂
I was really hoping Souness had packed the punditry game in for good but here we are.
He actually wants his own country to lose.
He packed it in last year when Liverpool were rubbish
😂
He and Roy were 1 and 2 for Sky Sports.
You both make good factual points though 👏👍
Simon… it is not XYZeee. This is UK and it is Zed
Cook a big problem with all this
Wasn't Rooney Derby manager when he was photographed battered in a hotel room with random young women?
We know nothing happened because the women were under 60, but it's indicative of how unprofessional he his... As a player, he was equally unprofessional but blessed with the ability to play football at a high level.
Those women were pranking him when he was asleep lol. He's fucked up many times but not that time.
got farted on in a hotel room😂
😂 nothing happened cos women were under 60!! Lmao!!! 😂😂😂
Simon vs Souness is always a great fixture 😂😂
This is probably the biggest fiasco in club football this season!!!
They are now paying 3 managers!!!😂😂
Simon is spot on here, what's the point of Gary Cook putting Rooney forward as a manager. You might as well as gone and asked the tea lady for advice and let her suggest Rooney.
Can someone tell Simon it’s pronounced “Zed” not “Zee”
Argued with loads of Birmingham fans that Rooney is a clown as a manager...Tony isn't...decent manager...I will bet they are near the play offs by the end of the season.. Rooney would have relegated them
I think Rooney isnt good enough to be a manager however i find it funny that souness makes excuses for gerrard yet criticises rooney, another example of the clown being bitter
He was set up to fail at Birmingham. He along with Lampard needs to be an assistant for a few years and learn a thing or two from the elites.
Cause Gerrard is ex Liverpool and Rooney was ex Man United.
Gerrard now is a proven huge failure. What more evidence do people need?
A high profile player becoming a manager, is always a pressure situation. The only successful player turned manager is Pep. The only other player was Daglish. Ferguson, Klopp and Mourinho were bang average palyers.
I met Simon Jordan in 2002 at Selhurst park and my goodness his breath stunk like human poo!
@StephenCarrIsBald You were dreaming and asleep next to your missus...
That might explain why Camp Jordan spouts a lot of verbal diarrhoea.
Is the issue with Rooney, lampard and Gerrard where they were not first team coaches before they got into mgmt. seems they lack experience
Newcastle fan here. Alan Shearer had the sense to go back on the Telly. Great players make shite managers.
5:35 Englishman says "X Y Zee" smh
He did live in America tbf but I’ve noticed how he pronounces “genuine” and I get what you mean
Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, great England international players have all fallen short in the management sphere. Keegan and Hoddle did OK and also Sir Bobby Robson was an established international player. (Maybe Southgate isn't so bad after all!). The Rooney appointment at Birmingham was doomed from the start and I am not surprised at the outcome, the result of a total lack of common sense.
The fans didn’t want Rooney
The players didn’t want Rooney
He didn’t respect anyone, he didn’t turn up for training. Never took blame and always the players fault. With a win rate of 13% no club will want him. Thank f**k he didn’t get the transfer window. Worst manager ever.
Tony Mowbray blue and while army 💪🏻💙💪🏻
Rooney and Lampard have been exposed as awful managers in England.
But my word Slippy G is even worse in Saudi getting pumped most games... yet no word on him.
Outta sight, outta mind.
Because no one gives a f about the Saudi League.
Completely off topic … but not really … Mowbrey was at BRFC and Eustace is now. Souness revitalised Blackburn , brought them back up from championship. Made good players great players , brought through great youth players and more importantly, brought in Tugay and Friedel and Mark Hughes rovers legends.
Rooney wanted a team who can't pass to play a passing game. That is still on him. But they can't play a passing game.
If by unlucky you mean thick as mince, then Rooney must be one of the unluckiest managers ever !
Would have helped if he didnt turn up to training late or not at all citing 'Got other business to attend to' and giving the squad 8 days off with only personal fitness plans during the international break when it was painfully obvious training pitch time was needed as his 2 part time coaches Cole and O'Shea was'nt there .
Rooney is the luckiest manager in the world to get given the roles he has with no managerial pedigree in the first place. People dedicate their lives to being a manager and will never enter the conversation for the jobs he was handed
Strange how you can point that out, but sol Campbell can't. When people like Simon Jordan discuss sol Campbells comments, they pretend it's a meritocracy and level playing field. Then they point to Rooney, lampard and Gerrard and happily declare they got job on name reputation rather than ability.
Just got paid millions for a couple months work, probably the plan all along tbh
@@philwill0123 Jobs for the boys? sounds like parliament!
Simon, Jordan could find a native in winning the lottery.
From Eustice to Useless
Here's the thing about common sense....its not that common
DISAGREE. UNLUCKY.
I would argue that Mowbary is a bigger name than Rooney
Yes indeed he has a 7 letter name.
@@user-tn8uu2cu8g Allah is only a 5 letter name. Even Rooney is a bigger name.
Souness nailed it when he said there's no common sense in football. Social media has a large part to play in that - when mob rule decides who can or can't be a manager/ a player/ an owner..... it's the slippery slope.
Do people not see what I see when we watch Rooney speak to the press? He is borderline incapable of completing a sentence without sounding uninspiring, flat, dishonest, fake. He must have one hell of an agent that's for sure.
Meanwhile gerrard is flying ,NOT .
"You're not going to have any dramas at Birmingham." Hold our beer Simon...
Rooney's not a manager. That's all you need to know.
Man U need Wayne. He could lead a Mid-table team.
Are we still talking about Rooney?
Rooney, Lampard...useless. Sadly, we appear to believe that good players make good managers. They don't. Hence the success of European coaches. The UK could and should do better...as usual...
England is the poor man of Europe when it comes to managers.
The trouble is that nobody will admit that people like Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard are not particularly good managers, so they keep getting jobs while less well known managers get overlooked.
As is the case with the national team, the British media play a HUGE part in ensuring England teams, managers don't reach the pinnacle.
Client journalism, apologies/spin/ PR for subpar talent are not compatible with setting the standard at the ELITE level.
Source: Biased Press coverage (deflection/ignoring/diminishing/hypocritical analysis) of: Southgate, Potter, Howe, Rashford, Maguire for a start.
No elite club would have any of them, but would have sacked or sold the four with jobs long ago.
His time at Derby has been revised hasn’t it.
He's been lucky you mean he gets jobs because his name ia wayne rooney hahah😂
Just not manager material
He hasn't been unlucky. He's made the stupid choices himself. He could've stayed at Derby, and pushed on in League 1, but he didn't, instead went off to America for a pay day. Only to come back to England with Blues, and try to completely changed what was working at the club. That's not being unlucky, that's ignoring common sense.
the grannis will not be happy hahahahahah
Souness is a painfull listen .
Compared to Rooney though, he is Richard Burton.
KRO ZW we are coming back where we belong.
Did he even have a transfer window to buy his own players?
No
He did absolutely nothing to show that he was the man to oversee a transfer window. It was really that bad. Destroyed the players confidence, baffling tactics, poor in game decisions, turned us into the worst team in the game over 15 games. Not the man to take us forwards whatever players he had
Most people in charge of football clubs don't have a clue about what is needed in a manager. A lot of it is down to luck. Its difficult to get 25 individuals to work together in a team. Thing is most great managers seem to be big thinkers about football and surround themselves with good advisers.
England doesn’t produce great managers. I’m sorry but an Englishman has never won the premier league. Lads from Chile have come over and won it ffs. 4 Italians, Spanish lads, Portuguese, Germans, Scottish but no english.
Chile?
Manuel Pellegrini
That’s quite amazing actually.
The question is why has no English manager ever won the Premier League? What is it about English managers that prevents them from getting jobs with Champions League level clubs? Yes I know about Eddie Howe before anyone picks me up on that, but he is an exception.
@@tevildo45 oh yeah forgot he actually won premier league with them. Seems such a long time ago.
wayne rooney manager?
perleese.
Sou looks very tired.
Give Rooney national league job start from the bottom
Rooney is a Dunce
Souness is NOT a pundit
Rooney was never a world class footballer, just a 'good footballer' and a poor manager, he never did any good at international level, (yes I know I going to take a lot of flak - lots of goals against teams like Monaco don't cut it!), when he was captain of England he was passive as they came on the field as off it. There's a wider problem at work in British football, and the question should be why do we generally as a country do not produce world class managers, never mind very good English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh managers since Ferguson (and why Ferguson never managed Scotland next logical step?), my reasoning is that football coaching and training at present in the UK is still a significant part of the problem, as well as its exclusivity to the exclusion of everyone who is outside of it, (the cost is prohibitive alone for mere mortals) but I think its more fundamental than that, is that we have a very old fashioned view of ourselves that somehow the way we play here is the best or the purest form of football when in actual fact we have lost the baton of innovation well after the 1970's. All the teams who have won the world cup in the last 40 years are basically the same nations, and we are not one of them, food for thought. The root and branch changes that were supposed to have occurred when the so called golden generation failed, have still not happened in my view, the real reason is that most of our players are simply not good enough as a result of poor training, and even though they are not good enough there is not enough competition from below to push those players, hence stagnation and why they are picked. It's no accident that the premier league is full of other nations footballers! Most indigenous footballers are only played to make up the numbers, it's a simple but challenging truth to most people. So what should be done about it...? Its Like everything is life you have to start being honest about ourselves and our deficiencies and when that light bulb moment happens then we might see some concrete changes still holding my breath I am afraid!
@user-tn8uu2cu8g please post about your religion on the appropriate platform!
Rooney was a pathetic manager so glad the muppet is out of our club.
The young English ex-players are mostly poor managers.....most have failed... Lampard Rooney Gerrard...the young Spain ex-players are better managers
Mowbray…. Crikey…. Borrrrrinnnnnggggggg
Souness is a terrible pundit. He come out with the odd comment worth listening to but the majority of what he says is dross!
Gary Crook 💰
rooney wont be and never will be a good manager.....period.
he lacks everything
Wayne isnt unlucky blues were 6th
Rooney is not a big name in management
Rooney cant even speak properly how can he manage a team.
Neither can Kenny Dalglish, but he did ok.
2:40 OMG bore off with the "world class player" nonsense...firstly what does that even mean? If it means he'd have got in a World XI in his pomp then no I'm sorry , Rooney at no point , would have.
Got to be joking. At no point? 😂
In 2004 Rooney was the best player in the world. He was world class with out a doubt. He did whatever was required for the team and produced. Not many with that talent would take a back seat for others to shine. As a manager he's probably great for a pint and chat but that's about it...
@@TroyC-rf7zq yeah and also he was still one of these best for 5 or 6 years after that as well. He was picked to play positions for United and England ahead of players that actually played in those positions naturally lol.
I’m sorry but yes he would have
@@TroyC-rf7zq😂😂😂😂😂😂😂best in the arrogant English minds
No, he’s been rubbish.