Hey mate I’ve just started a Trueno BZR blacktop turbo build with a bunch of MRP parts here in NZ. Just pulled the engine over the weekend and is my first build so will definitely stay posted for more tips and tricks!
4AGEED Garage Located in Welly/Kapiti Coast bro, and you? Its been an awesome challenge so far, bloody excited to get it on the road! (Sorry for slow reply i’m useless with YT notifications)
Quite thin, I was planning on using these however my engine machinist highly recommended not using them due to the amount of kms the engine had done 273km. He said they get fatigue over time and would hate to see me spend all the money on rebuilding and have a rod break/twist destroying my engine. If your rebuilding try find some Silvertop rods, I just got MRP ones because I needed them quickly plus are lighter.
@@kevingaraway6494 yeah possibly. My new conrods came with them, purchased ARP bolts/studs for the head so can be re used if need be. I used original bolts for crank
Good video, thanks for the detail. Prior to the rebuild did it consume a lot of oil and blow smoke from time to time? Are stuck piston rings/excessive blowby a thing on 20 Valves?
Sorry for the late reply. Yes it had excessive smoke especially on deceleration. Prior to the rebuild I replaced the valve stem seals but still didn't fix my smoke issue. Was a higher km engine with 273,000km when it was rebuilt.
@@4AGEEDGarage no worries. Thanks for the info. Do you think that the engine didn't receive timely oil changes before you go it to cause that oil burn? Maybe the wrong kind of oil was used for a long time?
@@4AGEEDGarage Ah I see. My engine is totally stock and untouched yet somehow the oil burn has become excessive. I also installed new Supertech stem seals. She pulls hard and sounds awesome though. I don't get smoke on decel, only on accel at certain times. Oil is disappearing off the dipstick too quickly though. Rear main is leaking badly so that contributes to it. I want to run a TRD head gasket with everything else stock including head bolts when I get new piston rings to install. What do you reckon?
Hey mate I'm rebuilding an 20v blacktop to dp you have some more advice? The block looks good and the cilinders all in other words looks great do I need to take it to the machine shop to polish it and go oversized or polish is just clean ?
Definitely take it to a reputable engine machine shop if you want the engine to last. If the honing isn't done correctly on the bores the piston rings won't seal properly which defeats the purpose of pulling it appart. My machine guy said always best to go with .5 oversize although if your running a used piston and going with a light hone, just get them to check the clearances. Make sure you have a proper 4age 20v repair manual too with correct torque specs and clearances.
Im doing the same. I think of eliminating the vvt solenoid for an adjustable one what do you think. Going to be running the engine stock except for the conrods and am going to be running coil on pack.
Thats cool, nice project building an engine and senseofachievement. For what reason would you want an adjustable vvt solenoid? The factory one works fine. Conrods are a good idea on a blacktop. Any particular reason for choosing coil on pack? You won't gain any power from them on a stock engine and probably need aftermarket ecu to run them properly.
@@4AGEEDGarage I dont know if the vvt solenoid is good on mine. If it's not the I'll probably go for ajustable cams. Im going to use coil on plug because I don't wanna cut up my 86 for the distributor. Sorry I know I said coil pack before. Im gonna use coil on plug. I don't care much about hp just what it to be fun for driving.
Hey, it wasn't that hard really, I would say the hardest part which wasn't really hard, was the plasti gauge part to measure bearing clearances, just time consuming. I would say and average bloke could definitely do this providing you take you time, get the machine shop to do their part and do the crucial parts with machining, ring gaps and clearances etc. I have never rebuilt an engine before, I'm not even a mechanic but just followed a couple of manuals, youtube and done research not that there is many videos I found of step by step process. My videos will obviously give you some idea what is involved and the extra things I did.
@@4AGEEDGarage awesome wow thanks for the detailed response it helps alot! Been on the edge for a while but always wanted to give it a crack and learn something new, have a good night cheers
@@WilsonNZ welcome. Another helpful tip is to take photos of everything when pulling appart which is good to look at when putting it back together, and bag the nuts/bolts and parts in snaplock bags so you know what bolts are for what. 4age is a pretty simple engine really, going to build a 16v for my white car late this year or early next so more videos will come up of that. Have a great night also.
Was just doing searches on the 20v silver/blacktop as I want to learn more on this as I know they are awesome engines but not a large community for me to get any details on. Are you familiar with the amount of hp the 20v silver top comes with stock?
Hey, they are good engines. Only know the amount of HP Wikipedia says (153hp) at the crank, known to be alot less though than it states. This page has a good write up on comparisons www.sq-engineering.com/tech-articles/difference-between-silver-and-blacktop-20v-4age-engines/
Fantastic series of videos man, I'm probably rebuilding/refreshing my AE111 Levins 4age 20v BT as well as slighly modifying it, and this series is invaluable. How much have you spent approx on your build?
Yeah his videos are good for us 20 valve guys :) Why the rebuild though? Is yours stock and untouched? Does it blow smoke/consume a lot of oil? I have an AE111 GT so it's the 4 door version of your Levin
Thanks heaps. Sounds good, will be a good project if you go ahead with your rebuild/refresh. My build cost just over 5k NZD including buying the tooling to port/polish the head.
@@RolanTHUNDER Ah, mines just tired and runs rich due to stock ECU. It's done 210k KMs, will probably do another 50k but I've been wanting to do it for a few years now, plus respray, suspension refresh, etc. just the cost was always a barrier. You can easily spend $5k plus and only make 30hp more, but the engine response and sound of ITBs is just phenomenal with a light chassis. These older engines and corollas are slowly going up in value now too.
@@RolanTHUNDER Higher mileage 4AGE's are known for burning oil and running rich, mine does it, so it's nothing to really worry about, but it's definitely something I'd like to tidy up as part of the rebuild and ECU + tune.
@@4AGEEDGarage Ah ok, that's not too bad. I suppose though you didn't add Cams or a standalone ECU and CoP conversion + tune, so that adds an extra grand or 2 lol. Do you reckon conrods are worth upgrading if you're really only making an extra 20kw? I wouldn't think so if they're in decent shape still. My blacktop has no issues besides the common VVT tick so imagine internals are ok.
Hey man, glad to have found your channel, sucks to hear about a fellow 86 head passing away
Thanks. Yes definitely a shock that happening. Man of knowledge that guy and had a very nice 86
@@4AGEEDGarage .Is there any recommendation for forged piston brand for 4age blacktop?
5 valves/cyl🔥 so cool about this engine.
hi
Hey mate I’ve just started a Trueno BZR blacktop turbo build with a bunch of MRP parts here in NZ. Just pulled the engine over the weekend and is my first build so will definitely stay posted for more tips and tricks!
Thats awesome and great your making a 4agte.
First rebuild for me also. What part of NZ are you in?
4AGEED Garage Located in Welly/Kapiti Coast bro, and you? Its been an awesome challenge so far, bloody excited to get it on the road! (Sorry for slow reply i’m useless with YT notifications)
@@izzy031096 all good. Up in Tauranga. Will be pretty exciting
4AGEED Garage Will see you at 4&Rotor when its all done 😏 Have you started rebuilding yet?
@@izzy031096 yeah I have. Put the head on last night. My Instagram page has recent updates - 4ageed_garage
Good end send off to shed life there.. keep the videos coming
It's really crazy on the difference between the rods it's got me worried now if I should get aftermarket ones
Quite thin, I was planning on using these however my engine machinist highly recommended not using them due to the amount of kms the engine had done 273km. He said they get fatigue over time and would hate to see me spend all the money on rebuilding and have a rod break/twist destroying my engine.
If your rebuilding try find some Silvertop rods, I just got MRP ones because I needed them quickly plus are lighter.
@@4AGEEDGarage thanks ill probably do that with mine and maybe have them balanced with some new pistons
@@kevingaraway6494 good idea, maybe get your crank, pulley and flywheel balanced as a full assembly too. Helps for a smoother rotation.
@@4AGEEDGarage good idea man I'm thinking about maybe Arp bolts as well
@@kevingaraway6494 yeah possibly. My new conrods came with them, purchased ARP bolts/studs for the head so can be re used if need be. I used original bolts for crank
Good video, thanks for the detail. Prior to the rebuild did it consume a lot of oil and blow smoke from time to time? Are stuck piston rings/excessive blowby a thing on 20 Valves?
Sorry for the late reply. Yes it had excessive smoke especially on deceleration. Prior to the rebuild I replaced the valve stem seals but still didn't fix my smoke issue. Was a higher km engine with 273,000km when it was rebuilt.
@@4AGEEDGarage no worries. Thanks for the info. Do you think that the engine didn't receive timely oil changes before you go it to cause that oil burn? Maybe the wrong kind of oil was used for a long time?
@@4AGEEDGarage Ah I see. My engine is totally stock and untouched yet somehow the oil burn has become excessive. I also installed new Supertech stem seals. She pulls hard and sounds awesome though. I don't get smoke on decel, only on accel at certain times. Oil is disappearing off the dipstick too quickly though. Rear main is leaking badly so that contributes to it.
I want to run a TRD head gasket with everything else stock including head bolts when I get new piston rings to install. What do you reckon?
How can I get a black top crankshaft to buy
Hey mate I'm rebuilding an 20v blacktop to dp you have some more advice? The block looks good and the cilinders all in other words looks great do I need to take it to the machine shop to polish it and go oversized or polish is just clean ?
Definitely take it to a reputable engine machine shop if you want the engine to last. If the honing isn't done correctly on the bores the piston rings won't seal properly which defeats the purpose of pulling it appart. My machine guy said always best to go with .5 oversize although if your running a used piston and going with a light hone, just get them to check the clearances. Make sure you have a proper 4age 20v repair manual too with correct torque specs and clearances.
Im doing the same. I think of eliminating the vvt solenoid for an adjustable one what do you think.
Going to be running the engine stock except for the conrods and am going to be running coil on pack.
Thats cool, nice project building an engine and senseofachievement.
For what reason would you want an adjustable vvt solenoid? The factory one works fine. Conrods are a good idea on a blacktop. Any particular reason for choosing coil on pack? You won't gain any power from them on a stock engine and probably need aftermarket ecu to run them properly.
@@4AGEEDGarage I dont know if the vvt solenoid is good on mine. If it's not the I'll probably go for ajustable cams.
Im going to use coil on plug because I don't wanna cut up my 86 for the distributor. Sorry I know I said coil pack before. Im gonna use coil on plug.
I don't care much about hp just what it to be fun for driving.
@@4AGEEDGarage also I am going to use aftermarket ecu
Sorry to hear about your friend man
Thanks Kyle
Hey bro, met you today at the motorpark, I had the AE82. Well,.... it fucked out at Mangaweka. Something gearboxy and possibly electrical...
good content bro 🔥🔥
Thanks Ahmaad
looks like the motor is higher mileage, how many miles/km?
Hey, had done 273,000km when tearing down.
@@4AGEEDGarage damn, my motor is around 177027.84 kilometers, I'm doing headgaket and reseal. Should I consider replacing bearings? 20v 4AGE Silvertop
how hard was it to rebuild the blacktop? could the average bloke do it by following instructions/ help from people?
Hey, it wasn't that hard really, I would say the hardest part which wasn't really hard, was the plasti gauge part to measure bearing clearances, just time consuming.
I would say and average bloke could definitely do this providing you take you time, get the machine shop to do their part and do the crucial parts with machining, ring gaps and clearances etc.
I have never rebuilt an engine before, I'm not even a mechanic but just followed a couple of manuals, youtube and done research not that there is many videos I found of step by step process. My videos will obviously give you some idea what is involved and the extra things I did.
@@4AGEEDGarage awesome wow thanks for the detailed response it helps alot! Been on the edge for a while but always wanted to give it a crack and learn something new, have a good night cheers
@@WilsonNZ welcome. Another helpful tip is to take photos of everything when pulling appart which is good to look at when putting it back together, and bag the nuts/bolts and parts in snaplock bags so you know what bolts are for what.
4age is a pretty simple engine really, going to build a 16v for my white car late this year or early next so more videos will come up of that.
Have a great night also.
How can I get a 20-volt blacktop crankshaft to buy can somebody help me please
Can use any 4age crankshaft except the 1st gen 4age Bluetop as is different size. Can buy new from Toyota or MRP website
I like this video
Was just doing searches on the 20v silver/blacktop as I want to learn more on this as I know they are awesome engines but not a large community for me to get any details on. Are you familiar with the amount of hp the 20v silver top comes with stock?
Hey, they are good engines. Only know the amount of HP Wikipedia says (153hp) at the crank, known to be alot less though than it states.
This page has a good write up on comparisons www.sq-engineering.com/tech-articles/difference-between-silver-and-blacktop-20v-4age-engines/
Fantastic series of videos man, I'm probably rebuilding/refreshing my AE111 Levins 4age 20v BT as well as slighly modifying it, and this series is invaluable.
How much have you spent approx on your build?
Yeah his videos are good for us 20 valve guys :)
Why the rebuild though? Is yours stock and untouched? Does it blow smoke/consume a lot of oil? I have an AE111 GT so it's the 4 door version of your Levin
Thanks heaps. Sounds good, will be a good project if you go ahead with your rebuild/refresh. My build cost just over 5k NZD including buying the tooling to port/polish the head.
@@RolanTHUNDER Ah, mines just tired and runs rich due to stock ECU. It's done 210k KMs, will probably do another 50k but I've been wanting to do it for a few years now, plus respray, suspension refresh, etc. just the cost was always a barrier. You can easily spend $5k plus and only make 30hp more, but the engine response and sound of ITBs is just phenomenal with a light chassis. These older engines and corollas are slowly going up in value now too.
@@RolanTHUNDER Higher mileage 4AGE's are known for burning oil and running rich, mine does it, so it's nothing to really worry about, but it's definitely something I'd like to tidy up as part of the rebuild and ECU + tune.
@@4AGEEDGarage Ah ok, that's not too bad. I suppose though you didn't add Cams or a standalone ECU and CoP conversion + tune, so that adds an extra grand or 2 lol. Do you reckon conrods are worth upgrading if you're really only making an extra 20kw? I wouldn't think so if they're in decent shape still. My blacktop has no issues besides the common VVT tick so imagine internals are ok.
Which top is themost powerful 4age
what's up 20 Boss
I really need your help
hay im looking for a 20v cam
Best to look on a page like ebay or something similar in your country, or MRP, Battlegarage if going aftermarket
Is blacktop 20v interference or non interference engine?
Interference
I need a 20 valve crankshaft for my blacktop 4age anyone can help
Toyota or MRP
@@4AGEEDGarageCan a blacktop crankshaft fit a silver top block?
@@star_b0iiyes it will
@@4AGEEDGarage Great thanks for the reply 👍
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