Just to clarify to people before more people start asking. This unit works fine until it gets really dark. When this unit stop giving you a usable image an analog gen2 device continue giving you one. Please use the Pro as a reference. I myself bought it mainly for its extra functions but i would probably go for something else if i were looking for passive light amplification for less money.
ok, but how big is the difference? would you say it's gen2 "class"? given that it seems to give a far clearer picture than the analog tube when there is SOME ambient light.
@@frast9201 only way to answer that properly is to do another comparison. I dont have the gen 2+ unit att home now so that will be hard. I haven't used the gen 2 and the Opsin at the same time but Ive tested the gen 2+ in far worse conditions than the worst conditions with the Opsin. And even though the picture get alot worse with the gen 2+ in pitch black you will still be able to walk on a small path. With the Opsin the path got so blurry that it was dangerous to use it without IR. And that was in better conditions.
@@mattiasolsson1766 thanks mate for the video. So if you have an IR and don't care about using one, would you say you get better picture quality from the digital cam rather than gen2?
@@goingdark1187 i dont know how all Gen 2 devices perform. In this case the digital NVG had better resolution. According to a video made by T-rex arms regarding nightvision he say that digital NVGs got better resolution due to a different technology. Also this can be digitaly zoomed 3 times making it possible to see targets further.
Yeah, there some moonlight spread on top of a cloudcover going in between the trees. I think i mentioned that in the video. In extreme low light situations the results is worse. However im still satisfied with it now that i have been walking alot with it.
The opsin is definitely a great step in digital night vision usage and reliability, while we arent completely there price wise its still definitely a great unit and a huge upgrade towards other competitors and the Aurora/aurora pro, lets hope in the future that digital can compete with analog gen 3 and be more affordable and reliable.
Mattias, thanks for putting together this very informative and well balanced compilation. Most outdoor low-light applications occur in light conditions ranging from 10 to 1 mlux, well within this devices operational range. The hi low-light performance is excellent (full moon ~ 200 mlux), the very low halo (to borrow from the world of analogue)is very impressive. There are many good reasons to consider a device of this type and you have touched on those e.g. performance range, recording, photos, zoom, device longevity, spectral range to name a few.
Thank you very much for this video. I am on the fence on whether to buy the opsin, the 1 year warranty is scaring me away so far. Will look forward to more of your comparison videos.
Yeah, i haven't event thought in that direction. That could be a problem if youre unlucky. Perhaps there are some way to insure it? However if its anything like the Aurora i dont think you need to worry. Forgot mine out in the rain for a whole night. Still no problems. im also going to 3D print a lensprotector for it.
I’d love to see the opsin vs gen 3 and gen 2 in super super dark environments, in city streets and then just normal neighborhood areas, I’m dying for more opsin videos thank you so much for all you’ve done so far
Yeah, i will see if i can loan my friends Gen3 in the near future. However, It isnt really any use doing that test. The Opsin will show you a black screen and the gen 3 will show you a usable picture. The Opsin should not be bought for its low light capabilities compared to analog. It should be bought for its other functions like gps, colourdisplay, light resistance and hopefully Augmented reality in the near future. If you buy it to compete against gen 2/3 in low light you will get dissapointed.
Very interesting video. I received the OPSIN on loan at the end of last September. It was a pre-production version, there was no latest firmware. Concerning your test, did the OPSIN have the last update for this video?
Wow, the Pro looks like trash next to the Opsin. I'm very impressed. I've been pretty against the digital NV as the tech simply isn't there yet, but I'd say this would be the first monocle that I would say is a good buy.
Slowly?! Nah. Come on, Aurora was released in 2018 and was closer to gen 1 than anything else. Now just 4 years later we are closer to gen 2 areas with prices of just 2500USD including mounts that cost 400$ for analog devices. I don't think that Digital sensors in our decade will be able to give us a picture as good as analog devices do in nearly complete darkness, but considering the use case being mostly outdoors... pitch darkness is something very unlikely anyway.
@@DaveOganesyan lol nooooo. my gen1+ atn goggles are nowhere near as good as even the aurora pro. on a cloudy night, you might as well just use a flashlight. your regular eyesight is brighter. also, digital night vision can pick up 980nm. analog cannot.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 Yeah... the comparison isn't as easy as just tossing the words I did but they're still comparable in low light. I just got a Russian ~gen 3 ish tube two days ago and gave it a try in a very low light scenario in a combat environment, no stars, blacked out city, clouds and no moon. I could see well compared to regular eyesight, I could see anyone who turns on any device like they've just switched on a bright white light, be that a red light or answering a military phone, but generally I know it could do better in a brighter environment. I'm sure any digital device would need supplemental IR illumination which it would benefit from way better than my analog tube but also would be a problem in a combat environment as you're giving away your entire force. There are always pros and cons and it's really up to your use case, and with such devices use cases can vary widely even from mission to mission, let alone environmental conditions. I also had the pleasure of snatching mine at a low low price of 2k usd. I will however invest into some IR LAMs, better mounting systems and such, given that I was practically forced into the toob gang 😅
Yeah the new one is impressive but at 2500 bucks you can get a good PVS14 with gen 3 tube for the same price so it's a nah for me . I already Gen 3 NV . Would be cool if they had duel tube set up for that price point
I'm not sure how it performs, but Sightmark has a digital NV unit out for around 700. I'm thinking about getting one, and if it's not a great helmet mounted unit, I'll weapon mount it behind a red dot on the AR I use to get rid of coyote problems.
@@BuckFoeJiden Try the Tkkok NV10. It's a digital NV that supposedly performs like a Gen2. It's also cheaper, However, the downside is that it is magnified at 2x. I think the sightmark you mentioned is reliant on having an IR illuminator. I prefer passive units.
For 2600...no...you can get really good elbit gen 3 tube with high specs for 2300. If you want white phosphor there's elbit gen 3 around the 3k mark...PVS-14 are proven, since this is a camara there's is always going to be a delay. This might be good for static recon or observation ops...that's it but for 2.5x the price of the regular Syonx this seems a little out of market.
Especially if you compare the aurora black to the opsin,the price gap isn't worth it. The aurora is awesome for the price and I stole my black for $360 used in new shape with a eyecup and it's great but the gap from that and the opsin is insane. The level of quality gap doesn't justify the priçe gap. $1200 maybe but not $2400.
I'mma little out of the loop but to be honest: I'm thinking of getting a Wolf 14 as I feel hop's review has people really sleeping on them despite there being alot of mounts and ways to make em work, and they're signifigantly cheaper entry point for a similair performance as the opsin atleast. Thoughts?
Could you comment on if you were getting any latency between movement and how much of an effect that had? also a phone camera picture might give a good indication of what the "naked eye" can see in the same condition. looking promising, just need to get a really low light comparison outdoors!
Using a phone for that comparison (especially mine) wont do you much good. The camera in the phone is alot less sensitive than your naked eye. I will se what i can do. My time is somewhat limited. If you are looking for something replacing the extreme low light capabilities of a gen2+ this isnt there yet. It will need some form of added light. The manufacturer state it needs at least Starlight. That is probably pretty accurate. Testing the absolute starting point for when the image get usable require timing. Thats the reason i did the closed room test. If you ever held a Aurora PRO use that as a reference and watch that test. The lag from the viewfinder isnt a problem anymore, the viewfinder is a mayor step up from the Aurora
Me and my family are home sick right now. So there is very little time for playing with it now. I can however answer some questions if you have any. The most asked one is the comparison between Gen2 and Opsin in extreme low light. In that regard the Gen2 is better but whenever some lightpollution,stars, moon or other light enters the equation the Opsin work fine. But since the price is pretty similar between them want to point that out. Also im not really sure what to add to this material? What do you want to see being tested?
I see people complaining about extreme low light performance.. I just ask myself, when are you going to be in this situation?? Have you seen gen 3 nods in the same low light?? It isn't much better.. both will require an ir illuminator
The viewfinder can be adjusted to adapt to your eye. In the lowest setting the gen 3 will have problems picking up any glare from the Opsin. Atleast from the front. The Aurora is however very visible since its viewfinder produce alot of light.
@@mattiasolsson1766 Thanks! But little or none from the front of Aurora? There is a viewfinder cover that can block off most of the light emitted from Lion Gate.
Verry impressive... if you could take a short video with your phone camera though the opsin evf to see what raw video capture looks like through device
the Opsin is vastly superior to the Aurora, but digital night vision still isn't there just yet. I'd say give it another decade or so and we might have comparable performance to analogue Night Vision
@@georgerafa5041 I'm not sure, the tech is developing pretty fast but I'm not sure it's going to be that quick. Especially since it has no military contracts (that I know of) to really help drive production and development
Based solely on that first comparison, it looks a tad better than gen2+. But I doubt the video does either system real justice. How would you rank this system compared towards the analogs?
I hate to say anything bad about this system, i like the digital option for its perks. I however guess that analog gen2+ devises manage better in complete darkness. This unit should not be that far behind though. Also worth mentioning is that higher spectrum ir leds (filtered 980Nm) work great with this unit. Making you less visible as soon as you have to go to IR.
I wouldn’t compare it to a Gen 2 device. I’m not sure what you use it for or where you live, but you can get a Gen3 Pvs14 for $1700 or so in the US. If you have the ability, I’d recommend that you save up a little and get a proven performer. Syonix is coming out with some really cool stuff, but I think they’re a few years behind being able to compete with modern/semi modern analog tubes.
@@alexlevinson8629 I’m sure their next iteration “Opsin pro” will probably be on par with a gen 3 model or a filmless. Given this is their first official monocular decide, I’d say they did a good job.
@@alexlevinson8629 While I agree the Opsins are probably still behind analog, please let me know where in the hell you found gen 3 pvs14's [that weren't stolen off a base] for $1700 lmao
@@jonathanbuyze7985 agreed lol. Not only that, but the OPSIN comes with the helmet mounts, whereas you'd still need to pick that up separately for a PVS-14. But yeah, I've been looking, and haven't seen any quality PVS-14 for less than $2500.
@@helmieashiblie3764 Yes, it requires the batterypack. There is no "onboard" battery. However the batterylife is really good. Only thing that can be enoying is the cable sticking out from the pack. That is a possible snagpoint.
Great comparison. I'm more convinced now the technology is worth $1.5k-2k (relative to Gen2+ NV). Will wait for Gen2 OPSIN to come out in a year or so.
The amplifier on the Gen 2, and Gen 3 do way better than the Sionyx, but keep in mind the way digital senors work similar to phosphorus tubes. Digital sensors just need larger sensels in 2mp resolution with backlit CCD/ CMOS tech and a large F0.8 lens with dual iso capabilities . If you can get something with that high spec under $2k it's a steal... Take for instance the old camcorders that used RGB CCD or CMOS technology where each channel is recorded separately than merged. This can also be applied to a monocular lens that splits 3 Sensors and 3 lenses to combine one image that is intensified. 3x sensors in a military grade mirror than can absorb more light using Quartz material and amplifying 3x Sensors signals into one giving you a super bright lowlight camera. Other than that it'll take a good while before specs like that can go under $2k... But we are getting there.
You seem to know your stuff, interesting explanation. Alot of people talk about the drawbacks of this device. Even if i understand and respect them for their opinion i get tired of hearing it over and over again. I tend to look for the positive perks and have learned to live with the drawbacks. I have high hopes for the App and the waypointsystem that hopefully will get developed for the Opsin. Thanks for you comment 👍
@@mattiasolsson1766 agree the camera it's self is a good performing lowlight camera. As long as it's not advertising Gen3 specs it's all good lol. Thank you for sharing your video!
It wouldnt do that well at all in extreme low light compared to gen 3. But it does have good resolution so when it gets enough ambient light it will work really well. So if you have atleast half a moon it will perform really well. I haven't yet tested it in Starlight only But im pretty sure it will work to. But comparing it with gen 3 is impossible. As i told people many times allready this unit should be bought for its extra functions primarily not its low light performance compared to analog 2/3. We could probably do a gen 3 test in the future, a friend of mine have one. But that would only confirm what im saying. According to the people at Sionyx the unit works down to 0.3mLux but after that loose its performance rapidly. The analog work past that point and loose its effectiveness slowly compared to the Opsin.
@@fluffyrider9467 that depends what fps settings you use. If youre in full moon/half moon i would use 90fps and get no noticeable lag. When ever i need extra light amplification i go to 30 fps and get some lag. If i want to trade light discipline for lag i go to 90fps and use an IR torch. This system require you to work active to get your optimal settings. However all buttons are easy to reach and you dont need to go to a menu to change fps o the fly. I myself are used to walking with the Aurora and are pretty used to the lag so i almost always use 30fps.
Recommendations more or less make me take control of other peoples decisions. That decision is up to you. Also i dont have proper knowledge into all analog options. To put it like this, the reason i would choose it as an active NVG is for: its unlimited shelf life, Gps, compass, future App possibility (maybe AR in near future), immune to lights damage, recordfunctions, zoomfunctions while observing, colour-mode, day-mode (easier to train during the day) and high IR spectrum sensitivity. However i guess there are many cheap options if youre ok with using a completely active IR system.
@@mattiasolsson1766 I’ve pretty much already decided on the Opsin, I’m just searching for reasons not to at this point before spending that kind of money on it. All of the specs/features on paper I’ve already thought through as carefully as I can. What I guess I’m looking for now is how it actually performs in practice. Are there any problems with it that could not be known from its specs on paper? Does it actually meet the published specs? Things like this.
@@mattiasolsson1766 I should also mention that many of the reasons you listed in favor of it are exactly why I’m almost completely decided on it, so long as it meets gen2/2+ performance until extreme darkness, at which point I’m fine with IR illumination.
@@andybarker5934 sounds to me that you are going to be satisfied with it in that case. The only real drawback for me was its extreme low light capabilities. I was a littlebit dissapointed at first but got over it as soon as i started using it more. As you say you could always use IR. Ive also heard that there are many plans for this device as soon as the App releases..
@@mattiasolsson1766 their claims are that with stars but no moon it still works well. Is this true for you in practice? At what level of low light does it fail?
We should have had this level of performance from digital NVG about a decade ago.... there were quite a few advancements in digital sensors and light amplification stuff for digital camera chips back then and yet for some reason it's taken this long for them to get merged into one product...?
@kashiff17 This is after the rise of digital photography tho; we've had decent digital photography chips since roughly 2007 I wanna say - but I have a feeling its sooner- so it's a little bit odd that light amplification technology done digitally rather than analog isn't something that was jumped upon by the military contractors with both feet due to reduced cost and greater sensitivity that you can get out of digital than with analog...
On 90fps there is no lag (that i can see) Im using it for airsoft and not competitive shooting so maybe thats the reason. On 30fps there are lag but somehow it seems to be less than the Aurora on 30fps. Maybe the sensor work differently. I will try and do an lagtest comparison in the future.
People need to understand. One is recording in HD. The other has a cellphone held up trying desperately to get a decent image. What we are seeing with the analog tube is no where near as crisp as what the user sees
I have stated that in the video to. However as long as there is enough ambient light the Opsin give you a better image. Then there are also different types of tubes giving even better image. But this comparison is mainly between the Aurora Pro and the Opsin. The Gen2+ was just there to give the viewer some sense of what the difference is.
On 90fps most people that have tested my unit haven't noticed any. Some are really sensitive to lag and they say they see some. I haven't though. But at darker nights when using 30fps there are some lag however for me i always run it at 30fps and could probably even go lower if it was possible on this device. Of course this would affect reactiontimes but when observing the lag isn't a problem.
@@Transit_Angst problem is i am only shooting airsoftguns. Im not qualified/experienced enough with real guns to tell you how that would work. My guess is that it wouldnt be a problem depending on how much ambient light you got and what sort of sights you use.
Im guessing the footage speaks for it self (Opsin). Just remember the pricedifference is huge!. Also these devices are built for different uses. The Opsin is a dedicated helmetmountable device. Its ALOT more usable for moving around. The Aurora is made for use as a handheld camera that maybe can be used for helmet navigation if you have really low standards (i have done it). But the Aurora have dedicated photo functions for photography, filming and such. One example is adjustable shuttersspeed for stills that give you better pictures than the Opsin when using it on a tripod. By setting a slow shuttersspeed you get to see even more than what the Opsin can (on picture mode that is). When using 30 - 60fps videomode the difference is is alot better on the Opsin. The Opsin also auto adjust single pixels to black & white to make the image easier on your eyes. Examples of these can be seen in my videos when using a red laser. Hope that helps to answer your question 🙂.
Fantastic comparison. May I ask what firmware version that is on the Pro? Also, can the opsin be switched to black&white? That does increase performance on the Pro considerably. Also, may we ask the specs of the Gen2+ tube? What S/N, gain etc.
FW 1.32 on the Pro. Opsin is colourmode only. However the Opsin seems to work differently in low light. I dont think that black and white mode would do much difference in this case
@@mattiasolsson1766 You might want to update your Pro to 1.34 then. Sad that there is no B&W mode on the Opsin, but we can hope a lot of features will get added via firmware updates. For example I'd like to have a heading indicator that is displaying degrees instead of just the general direction.
@@mattiasolsson1766 Wow, AR would be incredible! Makes me wonder why they didn't have that for release, that would be a big sales argument over classic NVGs. But I guess this is the early adopter product, the Opsin 2 will be the really big one.
@@mhe0815 yeah, mu guess is that they were behind schedule and just released the Opsin as it was to get it out. I was told by Sionyx that the App should be done 23 nov, guess well se about that. Regarding the next Opsin im guessing a pro version is questionable if it gets released if they will have problems selling this one. Many people are complaining about the price.No Selling = no money for research (also my guess)
opsin is awesome, but $2600 is crackhead logic. a diy pvs-69 setup with a 980nm illuminator is like $500+ bucks for binos, $300 for monocular, and rivals the aurora pro.
Not sure a pvs 69 have as High sensitivity in the 980nm range as the Opsin. Also the Opsin have alot of functions that the PVS 69 dont. Also trying to compete against homemade analog an digital units would be impossible to a serious company. I have nothing against pvs 69 or analog though. Just think the Sionyx is getting more crap than it deserves.
@@thewokjohnson7295 regarding shooting with red dot i do that in my latest video. No problem using it with red dot. I haven't tested using the Opsin when driving since its probably both dangerous and illegal in Sweden. But regarding lag it would probably be possible to drive using it. But whenever someone points a flashlight towards you the camera sensor will adapt its exposure and that could make you loose track of the road in low light situations. In short i would only drive using it in the most optimal of conditions.
Yes, it actually see IR better than most analog devices. There are several tests in this video were i use it to watch for IR. The 980nm test meant i was testing homemade IR flashlights made especially to be less visible for analog NVGs but still usable for the Opsin/Aurora. The Opsin claims to be able to see all the way up to 1200nm in the light spectrum. Check my IR tests video with the Aurora if you want to learn more 🙂
No, its manual just like the Aurora. However that only seem to be an issue when reading or watching maps at close range. In that case you will have to manually focus and change it back when done. Ive done this using the Aurora and its really not a big deal.
Pretty far from an add if you look at what im writing in the comments..its my personal opinion on the device but i always mentioned the lowlight capabilities that aren't up to par with analog devices so people doesnt ger tricked by it. If it seems like an add could possibly be because Ive actually bought it instead of an analog because it fits my needs better. That question is also getting old. If i would have wanted a gen 2 or 3 i would have gotten one. I wanted something different and i like the function that the Opsin have and also might get in the future.
Also, even if its possible to find used older Gen3 devices online in Europe the prices here in Sweden were i live isnt remotely the same as prices for Gen 3s or 2s in the US.
@@mattiasolsson1766 ahh I understand okay. I hadn't realized you were in EU. The OPSIN seems like a cool ITAR-free purchase for sure. I was scrolling through all the videos on the new OPSIN and none of them have any footage comparing Gen 3 analog, the only thing I have a lot of time under, and the comparison most people in the US care about. I swear to god I've only seen promotional content on how good it is but no actual videos comparing it to a product of similar price LOL. Thank you for the video, its very helpful! If you ever get a Gen 3 tube definitely make another comparison video, I'd love to see it!
@@tobyadog sorry for my reaction. Many people tend to critisize me for not getting an analog implying im stupid. Not seeing the real reason i why i buy it. I like new tech and there are rumors that this units getting Augmented reality with waypoints and stuff. That and colourmode is the real reason. I have a friend with an old gen 3 that we can compare it to but there really isnt any use doing it. The Opsin isnt close to the low light sensitivity of a gen 3.
@@mattiasolsson1766 Gotcha okay, thanks for the clarification! Color NV sounds very neat, and the fact that an OPSIN won't blemish in bright areas. I was reallly hyped for these a few months ago, had money saved for one and everything. Idk, still on the fence haha. Do you think this would make a good substitute for an ECOSI? Like maybe bridged with a PVS-14 along with a MAWL-CLAD haha. If it works it would drastically reduce the price for out of band setups.
Aurora Pro is shit. I compared my Canon R5 DSLR with the 50mm F1.2 to it in video mode, and the R5 fucking destroyed it for brightness and image quality, and its not even supposed to be a low light camera. If you want to see in the dark spend $2K on FLIR simple as that.
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Just to clarify to people before more people start asking. This unit works fine until it gets really dark. When this unit stop giving you a usable image an analog gen2 device continue giving you one. Please use the Pro as a reference. I myself bought it mainly for its extra functions but i would probably go for something else if i were looking for passive light amplification for less money.
ok, but how big is the difference? would you say it's gen2 "class"? given that it seems to give a far clearer picture than the analog tube when there is SOME ambient light.
@@frast9201 only way to answer that properly is to do another comparison. I dont have the gen 2+ unit att home now so that will be hard. I haven't used the gen 2 and the Opsin at the same time but Ive tested the gen 2+ in far worse conditions than the worst conditions with the Opsin. And even though the picture get alot worse with the gen 2+ in pitch black you will still be able to walk on a small path. With the Opsin the path got so blurry that it was dangerous to use it without IR. And that was in better conditions.
@@mattiasolsson1766 thanks mate for the video. So if you have an IR and don't care about using one, would you say you get better picture quality from the digital cam rather than gen2?
@@goingdark1187 i dont know how all Gen 2 devices perform. In this case the digital NVG had better resolution. According to a video made by T-rex arms regarding nightvision he say that digital NVGs got better resolution due to a different technology. Also this can be digitaly zoomed 3 times making it possible to see targets further.
Mattias - have a look at this comparo, how would you relate the light levels in your movie vs this one? th-cam.com/video/AoxAHcwcs68/w-d-xo.html
That's some really impressive performance from the Opsin's sensor!
Yeah, there some moonlight spread on top of a cloudcover going in between the trees. I think i mentioned that in the video. In extreme low light situations the results is worse. However im still satisfied with it now that i have been walking alot with it.
It’s 1080p unlike the 720 aurora too
The opsin is definitely a great step in digital night vision usage and reliability, while we arent completely there price wise its still definitely a great unit and a huge upgrade towards other competitors and the Aurora/aurora pro, lets hope in the future that digital can compete with analog gen 3 and be more affordable and reliable.
Damn... I had my doubts. But that Opsin is a major improvement in digital NV.
That color looks amazing. Looking forward to seeing the next video 👍🏼
Finally somewhat of a review! Thanks for this
Mattias, thanks for putting together this very informative and well balanced compilation. Most outdoor low-light applications occur in light conditions ranging from 10 to 1 mlux, well within this devices operational range. The hi low-light performance is excellent (full moon ~ 200 mlux), the very low halo (to borrow from the world of analogue)is very impressive. There are many good reasons to consider a device of this type and you have touched on those e.g. performance range, recording, photos, zoom, device longevity, spectral range to name a few.
Thank you very much for this video. I am on the fence on whether to buy the opsin, the 1 year warranty is scaring me away so far. Will look forward to more of your comparison videos.
Yeah, i haven't event thought in that direction. That could be a problem if youre unlucky. Perhaps there are some way to insure it? However if its anything like the Aurora i dont think you need to worry. Forgot mine out in the rain for a whole night. Still no problems. im also going to 3D print a lensprotector for it.
I’d love to see the opsin vs gen 3 and gen 2 in super super dark environments, in city streets and then just normal neighborhood areas, I’m dying for more opsin videos thank you so much for all you’ve done so far
Yeah, i will see if i can loan my friends Gen3 in the near future. However, It isnt really any use doing that test. The Opsin will show you a black screen and the gen 3 will show you a usable picture. The Opsin should not be bought for its low light capabilities compared to analog. It should be bought for its other functions like gps, colourdisplay, light resistance and hopefully Augmented reality in the near future. If you buy it to compete against gen 2/3 in low light you will get dissapointed.
damn worth the wait i guess !! thank you for putting video together for comparison !!
Thanks for the all the detailed information.
Looks really good, all is left is starlight test I guess.
Very interesting video. I received the OPSIN on loan at the end of last September. It was a pre-production version, there was no latest firmware. Concerning your test, did the OPSIN have the last update for this video?
Thanks! The Opsin had firmware 22.4.5 and since the App hasnt been released yet i haven't been able to update it.
Wow, the Pro looks like trash next to the Opsin. I'm very impressed. I've been pretty against the digital NV as the tech simply isn't there yet, but I'd say this would be the first monocle that I would say is a good buy.
That Opsin chip needs to be in the the auroras for the Aurora prices then they can get some of the market.
Digital is slowly getting there. Now if they could do thermal fusion that would even cooler.
Slowly?! Nah. Come on, Aurora was released in 2018 and was closer to gen 1 than anything else.
Now just 4 years later we are closer to gen 2 areas with prices of just 2500USD including mounts that cost 400$ for analog devices.
I don't think that Digital sensors in our decade will be able to give us a picture as good as analog devices do in nearly complete darkness, but considering the use case being mostly outdoors... pitch darkness is something very unlikely anyway.
@@DaveOganesyan lol nooooo. my gen1+ atn goggles are nowhere near as good as even the aurora pro. on a cloudy night, you might as well just use a flashlight. your regular eyesight is brighter. also, digital night vision can pick up 980nm. analog cannot.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 Yeah... the comparison isn't as easy as just tossing the words I did but they're still comparable in low light. I just got a Russian ~gen 3 ish tube two days ago and gave it a try in a very low light scenario in a combat environment, no stars, blacked out city, clouds and no moon. I could see well compared to regular eyesight, I could see anyone who turns on any device like they've just switched on a bright white light, be that a red light or answering a military phone, but generally I know it could do better in a brighter environment.
I'm sure any digital device would need supplemental IR illumination which it would benefit from way better than my analog tube but also would be a problem in a combat environment as you're giving away your entire force.
There are always pros and cons and it's really up to your use case, and with such devices use cases can vary widely even from mission to mission, let alone environmental conditions.
I also had the pleasure of snatching mine at a low low price of 2k usd. I will however invest into some IR LAMs, better mounting systems and such, given that I was practically forced into the toob gang 😅
I was not really impressed with the Aurora pro and its siblings, but the Opsin looks promising. If the price is reasonable, i might just get one.
It's 2600 you are better off getting pvs 14 gen 3 green tubes.
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Whoa....... that's a little ambitious for Sionyx if you ask me. Gen 3 performs better for the price.
Yeah the new one is impressive but at 2500 bucks you can get a good PVS14 with gen 3 tube for the same price so it's a nah for me . I already Gen 3 NV . Would be cool if they had duel tube set up for that price point
I'm not sure how it performs, but Sightmark has a digital NV unit out for around 700. I'm thinking about getting one, and if it's not a great helmet mounted unit, I'll weapon mount it behind a red dot on the AR I use to get rid of coyote problems.
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Try the Tkkok NV10. It's a digital NV that supposedly performs like a Gen2. It's also cheaper, However, the downside is that it is magnified at 2x.
I think the sightmark you mentioned is reliant on having an IR illuminator. I prefer passive units.
I want to get into nv shooting. Aurora looked cool. But that extra 1000 gets you something like a gen 2
For 2600...no...you can get really good elbit gen 3 tube with high specs for 2300. If you want white phosphor there's elbit gen 3 around the 3k mark...PVS-14 are proven, since this is a camara there's is always going to be a delay. This might be good for static recon or observation ops...that's it but for 2.5x the price of the regular Syonx this seems a little out of market.
I agree. I am running the pro now and it works great in the urban areas. Static or slowly creeping through the woods is the best use for it
Especially if you compare the aurora black to the opsin,the price gap isn't worth it.
The aurora is awesome for the price and I stole my black for $360 used in new shape with a eyecup and it's great but the gap from that and the opsin is insane.
The level of quality gap doesn't justify the priçe gap.
$1200 maybe but not $2400.
For static observation, for 2300 please get a thermal, thank you for my ted talk.
@@87stickman looking at this vid, does your pro have a similar performance or better?
I'mma little out of the loop but to be honest: I'm thinking of getting a Wolf 14 as I feel hop's review has people really sleeping on them despite there being alot of mounts and ways to make em work, and they're signifigantly cheaper entry point for a similair performance as the opsin atleast. Thoughts?
Could you comment on if you were getting any latency between movement and how much of an effect that had? also a phone camera picture might give a good indication of what the "naked eye" can see in the same condition. looking promising, just need to get a really low light comparison outdoors!
Using a phone for that comparison (especially mine) wont do you much good. The camera in the phone is alot less sensitive than your naked eye. I will se what i can do. My time is somewhat limited. If you are looking for something replacing the extreme low light capabilities of a gen2+ this isnt there yet. It will need some form of added light. The manufacturer state it needs at least Starlight. That is probably pretty accurate. Testing the absolute starting point for when the image get usable require timing. Thats the reason i did the closed room test. If you ever held a Aurora PRO use that as a reference and watch that test. The lag from the viewfinder isnt a problem anymore, the viewfinder is a mayor step up from the Aurora
@@mattiasolsson1766 the lag was my major concern, it sounds like my morning an evening stalk hunts are about to get a lot more interesting!
More videos of the opsin pls. I’m still deciding if I want to buy one.
Me and my family are home sick right now. So there is very little time for playing with it now. I can however answer some questions if you have any. The most asked one is the comparison between Gen2 and Opsin in extreme low light. In that regard the Gen2 is better but whenever some lightpollution,stars, moon or other light enters the equation the Opsin work fine. But since the price is pretty similar between them want to point that out. Also im not really sure what to add to this material? What do you want to see being tested?
Subbed. Keep up the content!
Thanks for the test :) My Opsin was defect as it arrived and i returned it. :((
That sucks man!, Hope you get a new one soon
I see people complaining about extreme low light performance.. I just ask myself, when are you going to be in this situation?? Have you seen gen 3 nods in the same low light?? It isn't much better.. both will require an ir illuminator
Were you able to see through your Gen 3 any light emitted from either Sionyx from the front (ie. the lense)? Nice video, thank you!
The viewfinder can be adjusted to adapt to your eye. In the lowest setting the gen 3 will have problems picking up any glare from the Opsin. Atleast from the front. The Aurora is however very visible since its viewfinder produce alot of light.
@@mattiasolsson1766 Thanks! But little or none from the front of Aurora? There is a viewfinder cover that can block off most of the light emitted from Lion Gate.
@@NL-gn2dl Yes, i have a pvs 14rubber cap on my Aurora mounted using an adapter from Liongear. However im not using it in this video.
I think Sionyx is (by accident or otherwise) helping to create a new product type - LLODs
Low Light Optical Devices
I think WOMLLS - Waste of Money Low Light Shite.
Verry impressive... if you could take a short video with your phone camera though the opsin evf to see what raw video capture looks like through device
I will try it if i find time for it. But my phone will probably give worse results than the onbord system
the Opsin is vastly superior to the Aurora, but digital night vision still isn't there just yet. I'd say give it another decade or so and we might have comparable performance to analogue Night Vision
There's no way it takes a decade. Prob another 2 or 3 generations/years will get it there
@@georgerafa5041 I'm not sure, the tech is developing pretty fast but I'm not sure it's going to be that quick. Especially since it has no military contracts (that I know of) to really help drive production and development
@@nottonyhawk123 Im pretty sure sionyx has a contract with the us army
@@swegmastur614 I wouldn't know, that's why I put the disclaimer
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I have a few pvs-7 units yet the sionyx opson intrigues me
not for $2600 though.
Based solely on that first comparison, it looks a tad better than gen2+. But I doubt the video does either system real justice. How would you rank this system compared towards the analogs?
I hate to say anything bad about this system, i like the digital option for its perks. I however guess that analog gen2+ devises manage better in complete darkness. This unit should not be that far behind though. Also worth mentioning is that higher spectrum ir leds (filtered 980Nm) work great with this unit. Making you less visible as soon as you have to go to IR.
I wouldn’t compare it to a Gen 2 device. I’m not sure what you use it for or where you live, but you can get a Gen3 Pvs14 for $1700 or so in the US. If you have the ability, I’d recommend that you save up a little and get a proven performer. Syonix is coming out with some really cool stuff, but I think they’re a few years behind being able to compete with modern/semi modern analog tubes.
@@alexlevinson8629 I’m sure their next iteration “Opsin pro” will probably be on par with a gen 3 model or a filmless.
Given this is their first official monocular decide, I’d say they did a good job.
@@alexlevinson8629 While I agree the Opsins are probably still behind analog, please let me know where in the hell you found gen 3 pvs14's [that weren't stolen off a base] for $1700 lmao
@@jonathanbuyze7985 agreed lol. Not only that, but the OPSIN comes with the helmet mounts, whereas you'd still need to pick that up separately for a PVS-14. But yeah, I've been looking, and haven't seen any quality PVS-14 for less than $2500.
Matthias, in the video were you using a visible or IR laser? And thanks for getting this video done!
We are using ir lasers.
Mattias, another question.......can you confirm that it requires the battery pack to operate, ie, it cannot do so standalone? Thanks.
@@helmieashiblie3764 Yes, it requires the batterypack. There is no "onboard" battery. However the batterylife is really good. Only thing that can be enoying is the cable sticking out from the pack. That is a possible snagpoint.
@@mattiasolsson1766 thanks again.
@@mattiasolsson1766 what wavelength is that IR laser? Great video BTW! 👏🏻
Great comparison. I'm more convinced now the technology is worth $1.5k-2k (relative to Gen2+ NV). Will wait for Gen2 OPSIN to come out in a year or so.
The amplifier on the Gen 2, and Gen 3 do way better than the Sionyx, but keep in mind the way digital senors work similar to phosphorus tubes.
Digital sensors just need larger sensels in 2mp resolution with backlit CCD/ CMOS tech and a large F0.8 lens with dual iso capabilities . If you can get something with that high spec under $2k it's a steal...
Take for instance the old camcorders that used RGB CCD or CMOS technology where each channel is recorded separately than merged. This can also be applied to a monocular lens that splits 3 Sensors and 3 lenses to combine one image that is intensified. 3x sensors in a military grade mirror than can absorb more light using Quartz material and amplifying 3x Sensors signals into one giving you a super bright lowlight camera.
Other than that it'll take a good while before specs like that can go under $2k... But we are getting there.
You seem to know your stuff, interesting explanation. Alot of people talk about the drawbacks of this device. Even if i understand and respect them for their opinion i get tired of hearing it over and over again. I tend to look for the positive perks and have learned to live with the drawbacks. I have high hopes for the App and the waypointsystem that hopefully will get developed for the Opsin. Thanks for you comment 👍
@@mattiasolsson1766 agree the camera it's self is a good performing lowlight camera. As long as it's not advertising Gen3 specs it's all good lol. Thank you for sharing your video!
Looks pretty good. But if dont perform in low light conditions like gen 2 does ... Its absolutely not worth it.
Aurora pro is awesome for the price, in suburban, small town environments
I'd like to see the performance against my gen 3 wp tubes so I can decide to recommend this to my friends or not
Gen 2 & 3 is better in low light. This works best when there is some ambient light available.
I wonder how it would do against analog in the same price point. Gen 3 GP can be had for 2200-2500 and WP for about 3k
It wouldnt do that well at all in extreme low light compared to gen 3. But it does have good resolution so when it gets enough ambient light it will work really well. So if you have atleast half a moon it will perform really well. I haven't yet tested it in Starlight only But im pretty sure it will work to. But comparing it with gen 3 is impossible. As i told people many times allready this unit should be bought for its extra functions primarily not its low light performance compared to analog 2/3. We could probably do a gen 3 test in the future, a friend of mine have one. But that would only confirm what im saying. According to the people at Sionyx the unit works down to 0.3mLux but after that loose its performance rapidly. The analog work past that point and loose its effectiveness slowly compared to the Opsin.
@@mattiasolsson1766 how’s the lag when moving at different levels of darkness?
@@fluffyrider9467 that depends what fps settings you use. If youre in full moon/half moon i would use 90fps and get no noticeable lag. When ever i need extra light amplification i go to 30 fps and get some lag. If i want to trade light discipline for lag i go to 90fps and use an IR torch. This system require you to work active to get your optimal settings. However all buttons are easy to reach and you dont need to go to a menu to change fps o the fly. I myself are used to walking with the Aurora and are pretty used to the lag so i almost always use 30fps.
For someone fine with supplemental IR, would you recommend it as a primary night vision device?
Recommendations more or less make me take control of other peoples decisions. That decision is up to you. Also i dont have proper knowledge into all analog options. To put it like this, the reason i would choose it as an active NVG is for:
its unlimited shelf life, Gps, compass, future App possibility (maybe AR in near future), immune to lights damage, recordfunctions, zoomfunctions while observing, colour-mode, day-mode (easier to train during the day) and high IR spectrum sensitivity. However i guess there are many cheap options if youre ok with using a completely active IR system.
@@mattiasolsson1766 I’ve pretty much already decided on the Opsin, I’m just searching for reasons not to at this point before spending that kind of money on it. All of the specs/features on paper I’ve already thought through as carefully as I can. What I guess I’m looking for now is how it actually performs in practice. Are there any problems with it that could not be known from its specs on paper? Does it actually meet the published specs? Things like this.
@@mattiasolsson1766 I should also mention that many of the reasons you listed in favor of it are exactly why I’m almost completely decided on it, so long as it meets gen2/2+ performance until extreme darkness, at which point I’m fine with IR illumination.
@@andybarker5934 sounds to me that you are going to be satisfied with it in that case. The only real drawback for me was its extreme low light capabilities. I was a littlebit dissapointed at first but got over it as soon as i started using it more. As you say you could always use IR. Ive also heard that there are many plans for this device as soon as the App releases..
@@mattiasolsson1766 their claims are that with stars but no moon it still works well. Is this true for you in practice? At what level of low light does it fail?
We should have had this level of performance from digital NVG about a decade ago.... there were quite a few advancements in digital sensors and light amplification stuff for digital camera chips back then and yet for some reason it's taken this long for them to get merged into one product...?
Blame Kodak,they suppressed digital photography because it would have cut their photo film sales.
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@kashiff17 This is after the rise of digital photography tho; we've had decent digital photography chips since roughly 2007 I wanna say - but I have a feeling its sooner- so it's a little bit odd that light amplification technology done digitally rather than analog isn't something that was jumped upon by the military contractors with both feet due to reduced cost and greater sensitivity that you can get out of digital than with analog...
Is there any noticeable delay / input lag on the opsin?
On 90fps there is no lag (that i can see) Im using it for airsoft and not competitive shooting so maybe thats the reason. On 30fps there are lag but somehow it seems to be less than the Aurora on 30fps. Maybe the sensor work differently. I will try and do an lagtest comparison in the future.
People need to understand. One is recording in HD. The other has a cellphone held up trying desperately to get a decent image. What we are seeing with the analog tube is no where near as crisp as what the user sees
I have stated that in the video to. However as long as there is enough ambient light the Opsin give you a better image. Then there are also different types of tubes giving even better image. But this comparison is mainly between the Aurora Pro and the Opsin. The Gen2+ was just there to give the viewer some sense of what the difference is.
How is the image lag? I know the aurora pro makes you want to vomit sometimes with how much the delay can be felt
On 90fps most people that have tested my unit haven't noticed any.
Some are really sensitive to lag and they say they see some. I haven't though. But at darker nights when using 30fps there are some lag however for me i always run it at 30fps and could probably even go lower if it was possible on this device. Of course this would affect reactiontimes but when observing the lag isn't a problem.
@@mattiasolsson1766 I'm just curious how shooting with one would be, if even possible
@@Transit_Angst problem is i am only shooting airsoftguns. Im not qualified/experienced enough with real guns to tell you how that would work. My guess is that it wouldnt be a problem depending on how much ambient light you got and what sort of sights you use.
which camera is better for the night???
Im guessing the footage speaks for it self (Opsin). Just remember the pricedifference is huge!. Also these devices are built for different uses. The Opsin is a dedicated helmetmountable device. Its ALOT more usable for moving around. The Aurora is made for use as a handheld camera that maybe can be used for helmet navigation if you have really low standards (i have done it). But the Aurora have dedicated photo functions for photography, filming and such. One example is adjustable shuttersspeed for stills that give you better pictures than the Opsin when using it on a tripod. By setting a slow shuttersspeed you get to see even more than what the Opsin can (on picture mode that is). When using 30 - 60fps videomode the difference is is alot better on the Opsin. The Opsin also auto adjust single pixels to black & white to make the image easier on your eyes. Examples of these can be seen in my videos when using a red laser. Hope that helps to answer your question 🙂.
Fantastic comparison. May I ask what firmware version that is on the Pro?
Also, can the opsin be switched to black&white? That does increase performance on the Pro considerably.
Also, may we ask the specs of the Gen2+ tube? What S/N, gain etc.
FW 1.32 on the Pro. Opsin is colourmode only. However the Opsin seems to work differently in low light. I dont think that black and white mode would do much difference in this case
@@mattiasolsson1766 You might want to update your Pro to 1.34 then.
Sad that there is no B&W mode on the Opsin, but we can hope a lot of features will get added via firmware updates. For example I'd like to have a heading indicator that is displaying degrees instead of just the general direction.
@@mhe0815 hopefully there also will be other functions added. I heard rumours of AR. There should be an app released soon.
@@mattiasolsson1766 Wow, AR would be incredible! Makes me wonder why they didn't have that for release, that would be a big sales argument over classic NVGs. But I guess this is the early adopter product, the Opsin 2 will be the really big one.
@@mhe0815 yeah, mu guess is that they were behind schedule and just released the Opsin as it was to get it out. I was told by Sionyx that the App should be done 23 nov, guess well se about that. Regarding the next Opsin im guessing a pro version is questionable if it gets released if they will have problems selling this one. Many people are complaining about the price.No Selling = no money for research (also my guess)
opsin is awesome, but $2600 is crackhead logic. a diy pvs-69 setup with a 980nm illuminator is like $500+ bucks for binos, $300 for monocular, and rivals the aurora pro.
Not sure a pvs 69 have as High sensitivity in the 980nm range as the Opsin. Also the Opsin have alot of functions that the PVS 69 dont. Also trying to compete against homemade analog an digital units would be impossible to a serious company. I have nothing against pvs 69 or analog though. Just think the Sionyx is getting more crap than it deserves.
Does OPSIN have Twilight mode like Aurora?
No fysical lens adjustment like the Aurora what i can see. If i want to use it day time i just turn down the EV and use it as it is. Works fine
@@mattiasolsson1766 Can you be able to drive w them, and shoot with red dots optic; And what is the delay between the OPSIN DNVM and pvs 14 gen 3?
@@thewokjohnson7295 regarding shooting with red dot i do that in my latest video. No problem using it with red dot. I haven't tested using the Opsin when driving since its probably both dangerous and illegal in Sweden. But regarding lag it would probably be possible to drive using it. But whenever someone points a flashlight towards you the camera sensor will adapt its exposure and that could make you loose track of the road in low light situations. In short i would only drive using it in the most optimal of conditions.
@@mattiasolsson1766 thanks for answering my questions I think im getting the opsin dnvm 👍🏻
@@mattiasolsson1766 but it does not have IR-cut-off filter, does it? So it gives false color?
Does the Opsin pick up IR?
Yes, it actually see IR better than most analog devices. There are several tests in this video were i use it to watch for IR. The 980nm test meant i was testing homemade IR flashlights made especially to be less visible for analog NVGs but still usable for the Opsin/Aurora. The Opsin claims to be able to see all the way up to 1200nm in the light spectrum. Check my IR tests video with the Aurora if you want to learn more 🙂
Does it autofocus?
No, its manual just like the Aurora. However that only seem to be an issue when reading or watching maps at close range. In that case you will have to manually focus and change it back when done. Ive done this using the Aurora and its really not a big deal.
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When are they adding the Opsin to Tarkov again?
is this an ad lol? why don't you have gen 3?
Pretty far from an add if you look at what im writing in the comments..its my personal opinion on the device but i always mentioned the lowlight capabilities that aren't up to par with analog devices so people doesnt ger tricked by it. If it seems like an add could possibly be because Ive actually bought it instead of an analog because it fits my needs better. That question is also getting old. If i would have wanted a gen 2 or 3 i would have gotten one. I wanted something different and i like the function that the Opsin have and also might get in the future.
Also, even if its possible to find used older Gen3 devices online in Europe the prices here in Sweden were i live isnt remotely the same as prices for Gen 3s or 2s in the US.
@@mattiasolsson1766 ahh I understand okay. I hadn't realized you were in EU. The OPSIN seems like a cool ITAR-free purchase for sure. I was scrolling through all the videos on the new OPSIN and none of them have any footage comparing Gen 3 analog, the only thing I have a lot of time under, and the comparison most people in the US care about. I swear to god I've only seen promotional content on how good it is but no actual videos comparing it to a product of similar price LOL. Thank you for the video, its very helpful! If you ever get a Gen 3 tube definitely make another comparison video, I'd love to see it!
@@tobyadog sorry for my reaction. Many people tend to critisize me for not getting an analog implying im stupid. Not seeing the real reason i why i buy it. I like new tech and there are rumors that this units getting Augmented reality with waypoints and stuff. That and colourmode is the real reason. I have a friend with an old gen 3 that we can compare it to but there really isnt any use doing it. The Opsin isnt close to the low light sensitivity of a gen 3.
@@mattiasolsson1766 Gotcha okay, thanks for the clarification! Color NV sounds very neat, and the fact that an OPSIN won't blemish in bright areas. I was reallly hyped for these a few months ago, had money saved for one and everything. Idk, still on the fence haha. Do you think this would make a good substitute for an ECOSI? Like maybe bridged with a PVS-14 along with a MAWL-CLAD haha. If it works it would drastically reduce the price for out of band setups.
not worth $2500... maybe $750-$1000
$2,500 vs $600
Frame rate of opsin and pro @ 3:00
30fps
Seems like a great piece of equipment for dealing with antifa during the night in towns and cities.
Aurora Pro is shit. I compared my Canon R5 DSLR with the 50mm F1.2 to it in video mode, and the R5 fucking destroyed it for brightness and image quality, and its not even supposed to be a low light camera. If you want to see in the dark spend $2K on FLIR simple as that.
Gen2+ is trash though
I might have just got lucky but I picked up a gen 2+ commercial tube that had near identical performance to a gen3 omni VII tube.
no tf its not