@@eleos7771 They give you meds, food, a place to stay, guns, ammo, training WHILE YOUR THERE then once you retire or are honorably discharged, you get a bunch of perks/benifits not to mention huge respect
BTS never "asked" nor "wanted" to get military exempt. It was the Korean government who introduced the BTS LAW as an honour, where the members could postpone their service until the age of 30 cause of their contribution to Korea's GDP. But as we already know the oldest member, JIN, who is 30 years old terminated the postponement and began serving, as of today 3 members are currently serving in the ARMY, because of this BTS LAW from now on any kpop idols who contributes to koreas gdp or in general can postpone their military service until 30.
@@Felix_hobithe US army makes this amount of money a month while in SK they make this much in a month. We don’t need unnecessary info such as “omg gotta add BTS to appeal the children”
The additional information about current military requirements and events happening, is actually pretty irrelevant to the comparison of pay between the US and Korea. There are other “things” that could have been talked about here, that would have made much more sense. The point of my comment is that the video’s random turn of subject did not correlate directly to the answer regarding salary comparison.
Yes in fact it was the government that’s pushing so hard for that exemption because of how much lose the economy of SK would suffer due to their absence. They had a whole poll about it and got BTS a lot of hate 😀
@@golammorshed7260 I mean I would understand if bts never said they would 'proudly serve' the country. But there are korean men who choose to serve even when they have bad physical conditions enough to get exempted so🤔
I heard BTS didn't try to get exempt. If not mistaking, Fans said they should and they said they had no problem doing the service. They're doing it right now.
You're correct the members never said they want exemption or anything like that. They always said they will go and serve when called. And they r doing so right now with 2 of them in the military and 1 of them doing public service (he had an injured shoulder from 2010-2011 from a motorcycle and car crash because of his part time job, went for years with pain that he handled with taking painkillers, medical tape and shots etc finally got surgery in late 2020 because his shoulder got so bad that he couldn't pick up a bottle of move it). 3 of them are doing their service with the rest to follow soon.
It’s frowned for celebrities to dodge the military service so they tend not to try getting exempt thesedays. Back in the days, many celebrities got exempt using various shady ways and they got in trouble for it 😅😅
@@monkeybanana9269frankly i hate these kinds of inforgraphic shorts, they're atrocious. Putting all the focus on whomever that's narrating the thing instead like they're some celebrity
Do you guys have to bring up BTS in every situation??!! By the way, BTS never attempts to seek exemption or delay their military enlistment... they love their country and can do anything for it. Taehyung even joined a special military force willingly, yet some people still believe BTS seeks military exemption...🙄😑 It's actually BigHit who tries to do that.. And here's a friendly piece of advice: if you're thinking of dragging BTS into your video, make sure to do your research properly...🙄😑😒
@@timothypaulino8454 I think if you stand up for other values to the extent that you are ready to die for them, then they should be really different, not just a little bit different
What you also get is the experience to learn how to fire weapons and fight in case you are needed to protect your family and citizens of Korea. Don't evade the reason why South Korea train their male citizens. North Korea is a threat.
I would be careful of saying BTS tried to get exemption, as they never did. They do delay service. But the possibility of exemption was put on them by other music labels and certain ministers. BTS themselves never wanted exemption.
@@filfel30 nope, there’s a video of jungkook and Jimin speaking to their manager & the manager tells jungkook “no worries your military service won’t happen, should be the same for everyone. Jimin have you contacted Mr Shin yet?”
@@ayrefik6089 Feminine? Are you attracted to them? What does being feminine or not have anything to do with serving in the army? There's female soldiers too. Your argument is pathetic. Do you know them personally or have followed their career closely for years to argue anything of the sort? Were you in the same room with them while the video you mention was being filmed? Why are you taking a snip of a conversation out of context? That's what the manager said not Jimin. I could tell you "don't worry for BTS". Does that mean you worry? Anyone could listen to a snip of a conversation and assume whatever they want. You particularly dislike them, of course you will try to say anything to discredit them. Fact is they are serving in the military and never tried to delay it or postpone it while every other entertainment company was using BTS's name to try and get a exemption for their boys, some of whom even cried on a live bcs they were being drafted. Stop projecting your own doubts about your identity and your fear for the military onto them.
For the people in the comments, I would like to clear up what was said about BTS in the video because it could be misleading. This includes some background knowledge: South Korean able-bodied men ages 18-28 have to enlist in the military. In 2018 BTS went #1 on the US Billboard 200 album chart and were in the top 10 of the Hot 100, an unprecedented first for a Korean artist. For their global impact, they were awarded a the Order of Cultural Merit award in 2018, which is one of the highest honors in their country (they’re the only K-pop group to ever receive the award). Since 2018 the SK gov’t has been questioning whether to allow them exemption from military service because of how much they solely bring into the economy, which was billions of dollars (USD). This debate had gone on at the government level for years, while BTS has asserted several times that they would proudly serve “when called”, meaning when they would get their official order by the military to enlist. The conversation about their enlistment became an even hotter debate when they became the first Korean act to go #1 on the Hot 100 in 2020. In 2021, without their influence, the SK government passed a law that would allow those who received the cultural merit award to postpone enlistment, which only BTS qualified for. It was dubbed “the BTS Law”. It was also likely because they had gone #1 on the Hot 100 four more times at this point, were raking in even more money for the SK economy, and their oldest member would have turned the latest age to enlist. The government, without BTS’ influence, was still debating whether to exempt them regardless of their decision on the BTS Law well into late 2022, especially after in June 2022 BTS announced during their anniversary dinner that they would be pausing their group activities other than the ones they committed to later in the year. The exemption debate was at its height after they made that announcement because they didn’t want to lose out on BTS’ massive global financial influence. The military was also trying to come up with a plan where BTS would be able to serve in the military but also be able to perform while serving, which would only benefit the military since they would be under their management and control. In Oct 2022, BTS announced their intention to cancel any postponement benefits they legally received for their cultural merit award (which only the eldest member benefited from) and said they would enlist on their terms like every other normal private male citizen, as they had always intended. This put an end to the exemption talks they never participated in. They also revealed that they were actually going to begin their enlistments in 2020 (and even had discussions as a group to go as early as 2018) but Covid and going #1 on the Hot 100 diverted their original plans. Two members are currently enlisted. Jin, the eldest, went in Dec 2022 and J-hope (born in 94, and third oldest) went in May 2023. The rest will be enlisting as soon as they wrap up their individual activities so they can reconvene as a group by 2025. BTS has never once asked for postponement- it was awarded to them through a law that they had no part in creating. BTS has never fought to be exempted from serving as they considered it their duty to serve their country. The optics alone of asking for special treatment would have destroyed their careers, but it was never a question to them if they would serve. There have been other South Korean entertainers and their companies that have attempted to dodge enlistment or postpone it by trying to use their influence, and that’s where that Psy reference actually comes into play. You can read up on him and his enlistment controversy for yourselves, or even take a crack at the recent enlistment controversies from this year that has an K-pop idol facing prison time.
Ravi isn’t going to jail tho and I wouldn’t blame him or psy since sk doesn’t care about idols since they don’t protect them from the abuse they go through in the military and out
@@brennathecatlover4360 I didn't name Ravi, but "facing prison" refers to a potentiality, not what he was ultimately sentenced. He was still going through the legal process at the time I made this comment. I understand that he was very recently sentenced to probation. Being idols is the least important point about what Ravi and Psy got in trouble for-- the issue is that young men have to put their lives on hold for something they can't opt out of unless they meet very narrow conditions. It's unfair to them. The abuse idols can face in the military is elevated because they're public figures, but abuse can unfortunately happen to any enlistee. Good luck to Ravi all the same. I get why he did it.
thank you for this. i was all, wait, bts never applied for exemption? they always said they were ready to serve and would serve their country when time.
same xD. tho I listen to kpop too. I thought whatever she said wasn't a big deal and instead came to the comments expecting people reacting to the pay 💀
@@chollyappleseed1969 as long as they have different training meant for their biology, then yeah women should enlist too. However the current military training is the same for both men and women even though women biologically aren't as strong as men and not to mention period. This video of women military training got viral once in social media where the women were struggling to do incredibly hard tasks that men can do even with 100% effort and as much as their body can take, they became a laughing stock in social media and a lot of men made fun of how weak they were as if biology doesn't exist.
@@ineedscaratits507 women serve perfectly fine in the US military. They are weaker and the military knows this. They are not expected to be nearly as strong as a man or run nearly as fast on physical tests. The military is like about 10% of actual combat jobs and 90% combat support. Women in combat, the physically hardest job for ANYBODY, generally not a good idea. Women serving in combat support roles? Go for it.
@@ineedscaratits507 A soldier relies on the person on their left and right to keep them alive. Female recruits should not recieve special allowances that put their fellow soldiers at risk. If a woman can make the cut, then she deserves a chance. If not, then she don't.
@@lauraamancio7334 if she ir referring to Psy then don't start with: "Famous idols such as BTS and other celebrities like Psy tend to delay or try to exempt themselves from going to the army." She name BTS first in that statement.
Plz correct the info, BTS never tried to delay or get exemption! They earned this honor due to their contribution to South Korea as they have received Order of Cultural Merit 5th Class, they were given 2 years extention by govt itself while the govt was still debating whether to exempt them or not because of their cultural, economical contributions and global popularity. They were announced as ambassadors for the Bid for busan world expo 2030 & held a free concert for it too. The govt was still delaying their decision on exemption so just a day after the concert they announced that they will be enlisting starting with Jin in 2022 & while they complete the service one after another they will focus on solo works! Jin Jhope & Suga (public servuce due to shoulder injury/surgery) have already began their service willingly! They never tried to get an exemption, they already had plans of enlisting after finishing MOTS7 tour (cancelled due to covid).
@@bpxterry they have a cultural merit so there was a “bts law” created for them which allowed them so postpone a few extra years if they wanted to but they denied and went in early so what you’re saying doesn’t make sense
@@Jasmine-860 Another naive fan. You do realize majority of the members are 30? You do realize that entering when you're 30 in korea is LATE. They obviously wanted it delay to do promos/solos before enlisting. Im assuming you're still in middle school tho.
@@bpxterryu r the one that sound childish.even i dont follow bts but i know that govt was the one that delayed.oldest member went earlier even though he had a chance to delay it.
so glad BTS took the decision to enlist on their own as a slap to SK’s government and media who for yearsss have been using them for their own benefit. served the government officials damn right. edit : y'all talking about the govt NOT using them need to know the fact that the govt wanted them to enlist all while they would be allowed to perform at times just so they could bring in the billions of won they do EACH YEAR. the govt didn't even want them to enlist with freedom that, might i add, every man gets in South Korea gets, which is absurd to me. im glad BTS didn't let them do that to them and just took the years off. and as a matter of fact, SK IS set to lose trillions by 2025 because of BTS’ absence. edit 2 (source) : “a report released by the Hyundai Economic Research Institute, which states that BTS contributed an estimated ₩5.10 trillion KRW (about $3.55 billion USD) to the Korean Economy every year. The same report mentioned that in 2017, one in every thirteen tourists visited Korea because of BTS. In addition, there were earnings of ₩1.58 trillion KRW (about $1.10 billion USD) from exports and consumer goods, such as commodities and cosmetics. Fortune Magazine claims that with BTS’s enlistment, Korea loses the opportunity to earn the estimated ₩5.00 trillion KRW (about $3.48 billion USD) per year while BTS is gone.”
Agreed, except the guy who cuts Yoongi's hair will be committing a crime! 😉 I just want him in a man bun, ponytail, pigtails anything just don't cut it. He's getting hitter every month!💜
Just so you know, the verdict was that they have to enlist. The government did not give them a choice. The relationship between the government,media and BTS is mutual. They weren't used lol. It worked out for both of them. They got to delay enlistment, government got good PR.
"served the government officials damn right!" ???? what? its not like specific government officials are telling them to enlist out of personal spite, lmao. their enlistment has even been delayed, but its literally the law...?? im sorry but some armys are acting so delusional about their enlistment 😭😭
@@sbear94 Listen, it is the law, but Athletes who receive medals get exemption. Classical musicians get exemption, not sure what their criteria is...how famous they are or how much money they bring in? Also those musicians of traditional music get exemption. Now I 190% agree with the traditional music, each country needs to keep their culture going. However, why classical musicians and not kpop? Not talking about BTS, any kpop. All they had to do is set some prerequisites, criteria for receiving the exemption just as they did for athletes and classical musicians because obviously it's not all athletes or all musicians. Also, govt officials have been taking advantage of BTS so I'm glad they are going into the military and NO MORE FAVORS to govt officials (I hope but they're usually quick to come to the aid of their country. Let them go into military and let Korea lose trillions of dollars, who cares, their problem.
Don't forget that South Korea still has mandatory military service, while the US has a huge pool of disadvantaged citizens who rightly and/or wrongly see military service as a route to social and economic mobility.
@@ternedo6074 I grew up having people tell me to do military because of being so poor, not understanding I already had developed PTSD by that time and the military would not take me lmao. Same thing with a guy I used to know he would swear up and down he would join military one day and get rich live the good life but the guy was schizophrenic and he already had broken his back. Knew another guy who tried it and this mf had a felony 🤦♀️ he really thought he would pass the background check LMAO being poor in USA
@@ternedo6074 US vets have been treated like toilet paper since the start of the post WW2 era. Now they die by the hundreds annually via suicide, overdoses, and as homeless in the street. The many Camp Lejeune lawsuit ads on TH-cam make clear just how concerned the US government is and has been over its' disposable commodity service personnel. For the US Veterans' Administration, the post service deaths of US former military personnel are just a reduced expense.
That's during the mandatory service. Some other countries have or had that, too. When I did my service in the german Bundeswehr, I got around 460€ a month. And that's fair. You get to experience a whole new world, it's a lot of fun when there's no war, you meet people from all over the country... It was a really nice time. A friend of mine even learned how to parachute from airplanes and did some 60 jumps.
Bts and Psy information has some catch. Psy spent 4 years in military cause in his first two year he didn't perform his duty properly. So they punished him with extra two years. And when it comes to BTS I don't know the internal matter as I am not one of you but from outside it seems like it's BTS who wants to go to army but govt wanted to grant them exemption so they were delaying it. Edit: when I said "they were delaying it" I meant govt. By THEY I meant govt not BTS.
Well, when you've got that "Gundam Style", you're bound not to do things like everyone else. Apparently that extended to military service as well, lol. #Psy
Psy was not punished… he voluntarily went cuz his first time he was supposed to replaced it with volunteer hrs but didn’t even do the volunteer, when the public found out, he said he would properly serve again
BTS said they would serve if they were called. The government allowed them 2 extra years to delay and was going to decide wether they would get full exemption or not but they kept pushing it. Then there were elections and the new government said they were gonna discuss it and eventually BTS made the decision to just enlist because the government not making a decision made it difficult to plani their schedule
Correction - BTS or their label did not ask for military exemption at any point. South korean politicians actively tried to delay or use alternative service as a way to not loose the group's influence on a global scale but BTS decided to enlist themselves. First member is enlisting next week and others will soon follow him.
Given how much money they brought to the SK economy, not having them in the army is the right move. But exempting them from service would be a political catastrophe for any politician, thats why its such a controversy in SK to have them exempted or not.
BTS never requested exemption, others wanted to use their name for their own gain. After all, BTS always said that they will serve whenever called, and in the end decided to go themselves
The fact that they were able to "postpone" the enlistment is actually the privilege. Majority of men in ROK isn't allowed to do so unless special occasions such as post-secondary education(this makes you postpone till 24 y o), masters(this makes you postpone till 29 y o), foreign permanent residency, etc.
@@moonkissedcovers4703 mandatory military service is literally mandatory for every citizen(male, sadly 😥) in ROK. According to your logic, exempting taxes from large corp CEO's should be also justified because they bring millions of dollars to the nation. How's that?
You guys know about the BTS law, right? It used to be men between 18 and 28, that they had to complete their service, but in 2020, right before Jin turned 28, they put out this thing, which men can now begin their service latest by the age of 30. This was due to BTS being at the peak of their careers and bringing over 5 billion USD to the South Korean economy every year (more than all of K-pop together!), and they knew that if Jin was sent to the military, they would lose a lot of money. Now Jin went last year I December after turning 30, and then the other six members enlisted this year (jhope in April, SUGA in September as a social worker due to his past severe injuries, and the last 4 members: rm, v (special forces), Jimin and Jungkook (companion soldiers) last week. And at first, they wanted to completely exempt them from the service, but last year in June (9th festa), they said that they actually wanted to take a break from group activities (not a hiatus!) and said that they would want to focus on solo projects and to go to the military. They were out of ideas for further group projects, and just wanted to take a break and come back some time later in 2025. Gonna miss them so much 💜
@@evermoore66665stop tryna speak on something u obviously have no clue about, if South Korea had a bigger military than the US they’d be the sole world super power, so why aren’t they? Probably because they simply don’t have a bigger military, not even a comparable one.
@@samuel_goopster6600 that's just not true, there is no top military, US has best funded but China has largest in terms of man power, vehicles, navy, equipment and weapons, there are 5 global military powers and they are US, China EU, Russia and India
@@search402 that's a massive false equivalence, China has the largest army and navy, also for one there is no set definition on what a superpower is, if a superpower is defined as a country that could easily take over the world or rule the world then no country has this title, there are currently five global political and military powers and they are US, European Union, China, Russia and India
Keep in mind that the lowest pay in the US army is BOTH paychecks combined. I started as a private in thr US army and was super excited to get 600 my first pay. Majority of us go into the military because we can't afford college and do t wanna end up in retail or fast food (lots of us end up in that after service tho).
US is one of the few countries where you have biweekly pay checks, in Asia paychecks are monthly so once per month. So for a fair comparison biweekly pay has to be merged
@SCATXXIV Depends on where you're stationed. If you live in the barracks, you're probably looking at around $2300 a month after taxes. If you're off base in Europe with dependents, etc, you could be looking at $4000 (but you have to pay rent, food, electric, etc).
Sales probably makes more than me but I’m making 75k a year(not including the free 7k free I use in education every year and other benefits). While living in foreign countries like South Korea, Japan, and Germany. Not to mention 30 days of paid leave a year, all weekends and holidays off with random 4 day weekends and days we get off at 1200 (we probably only work 200 days out of the year) . Gained all this from around 5 years in the military.
So far not a single Kpop star has tried to get exempt from the Military, they just push it off until the highest legal age for them to go. Most of them refuse to not go as it would put them in a really bad light with the male public.
@@loon7181 Yeah, he's the most recent one and they're rechecking the cases of idols who haven't gone to the military yet. Many idols are now being called to the service because of this.
Your Chinese? How are you accessing the worldwide web? I know you have internet in China but it's been cutoff from the outside world for years now. How did you access TH-cam?
@Tina-mt9cl wait who are you talking to cuz no one said they were chinese.. also, chinese internet is heavily censored and monitored but it's not completely cut from the world LOL i think a lot of ppl use vpn
I used to serve in south Korea and was proud to call many KATUSAs my friends. The salary is small but they are well looked after. They get vouchers for anything that they absolutely need like haircuts or clothes and they eat for free at the chow hall.
@@laurelabouffe If you have kids, there’s this thing called 상근예비역 where you can go home after day training. They sometimes allow other jobs so the soldiers can make ends meet. But you still have to be there for day training 😂
I used to work along side them when I was stationed in South Korea. Great guys! I felt so bad for them because of how much they made, and also they had much more strict rules than us. Nonetheless they still seemed happy!
@@akazienoel2009 I was in the us Army. They worked just as much as us if not more and back then they said they only made 250 a month. They had to request a pass to go home for a weekend and their barracks were not very nice compared to ours
I am Korean and military was NOT FUN. It was painful. We used to get like 80 dollars a month but government raised it few years ago. Most korean men think of military as a form of slavery because of shitty food, no freedom at all, so much stress, etc.
I mean, it unexpectedly extended the length of the video. But, it was interesting information though. Interesting that military service for all their males is required. What happens if someone refuses to serve? Do they lose certain rights like if you fail to register for selective service (i.e. Draft) here in the US?
I worked with Korean us military and their day to day life was pretty much Air Force bmt. Their leadership was able to use our bx to buy stuff and eat but the lower enlisted couldn’t. Their phones would get taken away for the night. I would often buy them Popeyes since they weren’t able to Edit: btw next time if you make a video about a specific question answer the damn question don’t beat around the bush
Oh my god. She didn't day BTS tried to get exempted, she said idols in general try to get military service delayed (which bts did) or exempted (which bts did not but psy arguably did) Bts and psy were simply the examples Being so sensitive people can't even factually report on bts or have even the tiniest risk of misunderstanding is not a good look.
BTS never attempted to delay nor get exempted. There was a law that allowed certain Koreans who received culiral merit award to enlist until age 30. Only Jin was 30 when he enlisted.
BTS was increasing SK economics from concerts to merchandise. That didn't try at all to get an exemption and the first who has enlisted (Seok Jin) actually enlisted himself. Recently the SK government wanted them to perform to heighten sells even trying to open the soldier members schedule to do so. The video worded them poorly
@@user-oe1mk8wr7dthey make up 1% of South Korea’s economy in JUST making music. 11 years as a band along side of Samsung and Hyundai. That is a huge deal for a singular band to make in an a country. They bring billions of dollars and also have brought many tourists into the country.
She doesnt mention that in the u.s. military takes $300 from our pay for food a month, we also have to replace our uniforms and can easily spend over 150 for top, bottoms, and boots, we also get packing lists for the field and spend additional money to hsve everything we need. I was in a airborne unit so i also had to buy jump boots, buy materials to shine them, and pay to have my uniform dry cleaned every month.
Heung-Min Son is the only one who got an exception for winning olympic gold and reaching the world cup for the country.. but even he would have had to go, if he didn't win the gold medal a few months before his service would have started.
BTS go to army is not a suprise at all,,, almost all K-pop groups go to army...so yeah if u r on war with south Korea,u might actually are fighting with a big group of K-pop idols
I think it's the right policy to follow...having a population which are acquainted with military is a plus point especially with small country like s.korea.
This is so real, thats why I always take the KATUSA soldiers out to eat when i can. But on the other side i was blessed enough to serve with and witness Lee Min Ho during my 1 year tour in SK. Also got to meet some Twice member 🤭🫶🏽
From what I'm told, KATUSA soldiers come from wealthier families and are afforded the better, "easier" option (dont know how much easier it is) as opposed to serving their time with the regular ROK Army. Some old guy that has been there for years told me that *most* of the KATUSAs are not hurting for cash....With that being said, it's a great thing what you've done. 💫
Did the same. I had a KATUSA roommate, and he didn't come from a rich family. I know because I went with him to visit his family in Seoul on a 3 day Warrior Pass (2ID 91-92)
As an Australian who has never been to South Korea but loves your videos, in your opinion why do you think South Korea rates in the top 5 countries for unaliving themselves in the world?
The korean gov was baiscally taking advantage of bts thank god they took the decision to just go instead of being dragged eventho they did sm for their country
@@zonesplayroom6549 What I originally wrote is way too long so here's this summary instead: BTS' enlistment is basically just a move to promote the idea of the Republic's conscription to their young men at the expense of a sizeable source of income from tourism and general the general reach of Korean culture with the geopolitical power that reach possesses. The South Korean government has almost always heavily supported mandatory service, so to provide an exemption to the most popular men in the country would kinda hurt that stance. On the other hand, those same men have also provided the Republic of Korea with a sizable source of income, a boost in the tourism industry, and a growing cultural reach (which is a much greater source of geopolitical power than just having a good military nowadays) So, they basically just made the personal decision to enlist now rather than wait after realizing they probably wouldn't get offered an exemption/alternative service. Basically just the most mundane and probable thing happened. Best case scenario there probably won't be any major impact on the tourism industry or cultural reach of South Korea, there's still plenty of other attractors to the Republic and BTS isn't the exclusive identity of South Korea, plus they'll probably be able to return just fine after service (or something else fills the void in South Korea's cultural reach and stabilizes the tourism industry). Worst case scenario they just can't optimally recover their careers & popularity after service and the Republic starts feeling the losses a bit more gradually... or immediately and their tourism industry takes a tumble. It's basically just some international authority and tourism income. The Republic of Korea can go with or without K-pop obviously as it is still a fairly stable and powerful Republic (or corporate hell state depending on how you view it). It's just that having a single group be directly responsible for about 9% of the income to the tourism industry and probably a sizable overall impact on the tourism industry is a fairly nice thing to have for the economy that requires little effort or public spending. edit 2: sorry for 3 paragraphs, again
@@zonesplayroom6549 they bring so much money into the country not that that should stop them serving but Korea is going to lose a lot of money because of this. But even then BTS has know for ages they have to serve
@@Max_basil no no I like to understand fully. As I am ex British military. With ours it's voluntary. So I always wonder why people who have to join at an age. In a pretty good country as I believe South Korea is a nice place to live. Especially knowing they could always be brought into a war against North. Right. Erm so I find of feel that with that threat on your doorstep. It'd be good to know basic stuff like if a friend is shot. How to handle the situation. Not to mention. How to keep you mind while in the middle of a fire fight. Even if you are just a civilian caught up in conflict. Look at Ukraine. Sorry I hope you understand my point and know I mean no offence. Just would like to hear your opinion
@@MollieMcLoone06 yes I understand. Though if the fans are true fans. The fact BTS leave for a couple of months should not matter. Especially if they do it with a message like. Listen if north Korea or any other country attack us. And I am at home with my family. I'd like the training to be able to mentally handle that as well as deal with any injuries to the best of my abilities. That is my thought process of the situation. They should be going with pride in their hearts as one day the training could help them save their country or their family.
In the finnish army mandatory conscripts get paid 5-12€ a day which increases with time served. Luckily the service is only 6 months for crew and 12 months for leadership roles.
“Unlikely that war will breakout between North Korea and South Korea” Korean War? It’s technically still an ongoing war and they tend to shoot at each other sometimes
@@cassu6 technically just a ceasefire. never agreed on terms of ending the war. alongside borderlines the troops exchange small magnitude engagements to this day.
@@cassu6 their just in limp mode, also they will never come to agreement for peace. North is a dictator who’s wants to rule over people, south is like the the US where everyone has equal rights. The two can never combine unless one steps down.
minor conflicts constantly took place since the end of Korean war. The most recent one was in August 2015, when NK fired anti aircraft guns at South Korean military facilities.
What she said about psy & bts is untrue. They have never asked for an exemption & I believe Psy actually served twice. I think some athletes & classical musicians can get exemptions.
I love how the narrator goes straight into what the min pay for the US troops are, but before saying korea's min pay, she goes onto say what rank and branches the Korean military has BEFORE saying what the min pay is lmao
Pretty stupid comparison for full time soldiers salary to be compared to conscripts of less than 2 years. Edit: Okay I keep getting replies about this. I finished my conscription of 2 years, so I know what up you don't have to explain again. S Korea isn't the only country to have conscripts nor are they the only country to pay peanuts for the conscripts. If they paid every single able bodied man a temp salary of 1.6k usd, the equipment cost of each conscript, the medical costs of the conscripts, the defense budget wouldn't hold lol. Plus what's a kid gonna do with so much money when they're performing military duties for the 2 years. In my country at least, the only people who whine about conscription are the people who have yet to do it.
The lowest salary Finnish conscripts get is ~150€/month for the first 6 months. All college students without an income get 225€/month from the government (+accommodation) just for studying. I hope that gives you some idea how little the conscripts get payed. I’ve done both.
It's actually less than that. For the first 6 months conscripts make about 70€ for 2 weeks,. With this inflation and gas prices it's literally nothing. I had to burn through my hedge fund investments during that period.
What I don't get is why would you spend any money while as a conscript in the first place? I don't know how they do it in Finland but in the U.S you get a barracks, 3 meals a day, a job, free medical care, basically free everything you need in order to survive, and a job. Why would you need to spend any money on anything else?
@@XX89948I do understand your point but in a country like Finland where people get payed to study and not the other way around it’s crazy that the people who serve in the military don’t get even the minimum social benefits. Even those kids who graduate from high school, still live with their parents without a job or a place in university get 400€/month for basically sitting at home. The men are forced to do it (I wasn’t) which is why they should get more financial aid than unemployed people or people who are studying. Many conscripts also have a family to provide for and bills to pay (electrics, phone etc.). The mortage or rent is payed for you, luckily. Finnish conscripts also get quite a lot of time off, some get most weekends off. Don’t get me wrong, more time off is a great thing but how are you supposed to feed yourself or others with that kind of money when you’re not getting any free food. The conscripts who still live with their parents do okay financially but the rest struggle with less than 150€/month. We’re priviledged to get any kind of money for work many of us are forced in to and things are so much worse in other countries but social benefits should be fair and in line with the rest of society.
@@anni8456 I think the majority of the problems is money and the population. As much wealth Finland has accumulated, prosperity for many years, and safety it's gained while in the EU; being a poster child for your ideal modern European country. Finland is definitely making ends meet by all the social benefits it's citizens have. All these big changes that hit the head lines for its populace and for the world to see came with a cost of expenses. Expenses where the government has to cut corners like benefits for military conscripts and I also believe you as a citizen in their country, there's a lack of a lot of things that you may have noticed while living there. It's going to get better since Finland joined NATO and can receive more funding, but I doubt your government has its eyes set on its military any time soon as much as it wants to modernize its civilian sector. Any geopolitical problems it's neighbors has is for the rest of the members to solve. It's also good to point out that Finland is a very closed country from the outside world and doesn't tangle with other nations as often. It's a big part of their success since they can fully focus their spending on their population, and let others worry about competition and rivalries.
@@SilverState99 they stay in a base. They are not allowed to leave until their service period ends. They can also leave a base when they are on theur less than a week long vacation.
@@user-qn7dy4sp4k You REALLY have to save all of that up during that 18-20 month period. Otherwise you would all be homeless and jobless as soon as you get out. And to think I used to complain about $1900 a month.
BTS never asked or attempted to delay. They were offered a delay, & there was a big thing over giv officials considering exempting them. They didn't wait, or attempt anything. They volunteered to go in of their own volition.
I have a Korean friend who grew up in the Philippines. They usually take exams (in English I guess) before the start of their military service. Since he got a perfect score in his English exam, he was assigned as like the assistant of a pastor. He got it good while serving in the Korean military.
I too had a former student who worked in the office of the US forces. His name was pulled from a lottery pool of other Korean soldiers fluent in English. He worked hard to fulfill his duties within the US office.
It does make a big difference to want to fight then to be forced. The partner forces that worked with the US, Katusas, where hard to work with not all but a lot because they didn't want to be there so it was a pain in the ass to get them to do anything. And got alot of slack just cause they knew english and was working with US soldiers in the Katusa program. We had to work twice as hard to accomplish the mission cause they were lazy. But as soon as it was brought up they would be sent to the ROK Army. They switch there tempo real quick. Started to work because they knew there ass would be handed to them over there.
It’s a unfortunate thing though some like it a lot of students in Korea really suffer through depression through this time it’s hard enough to graduate school in Korea but to dedicate over a year in the army as a mandatory thing is very hard mentally
@@archiveplug1819 because the commies will never win in a conventional war, they'll just be fertilizer if they should start a war and no liberal like yourself will deter north Korean aggression. In short, might is right
@@archiveplug1819wow must be nice in ur vision house The last attack was in 2015 So another attack can be anytime Have u see the situation nowadays?? War can breakout anytime
I was stationed in south Korea for a year back in 2014. We worked hand in hand with KATUSAs (korean soldiers who work with/for U.S Army) Kansas had it bad! No electronics of face jail time, can't go home to see your family and they only got paid $100 a month. They still had to pay for a haircut and anyhting else they needed but most of their family helped them out and us U.S guys would let them use our phones to call home or play video games. They had it hard but they even said being a regular ROK soldier would have been worse.
I didn't know the KATUSA buddys have to pay for their haircut. Among the rest of the korean army, we usually designate some of the soldiers as barber and they get extra vacation. The barber boy in my unit was a dog hairdresser before joining the army lol.
When I was in Korea I saw a TC beating the absolute dogshit outta his tank crewmember until he got the tank up and running he had the issue fixed in 7 minutes
That's right. While serving as a KATUSA in the U.S. Forces Korea, it was the U.S. Army that cared about me, I am still grateful for the American soldiers who treated me respectfully
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For those who don’t want to wait , it’s $355.41 USD
That ils so low
Exactly the video could have been shorter without the unnecessary blah blah blah
Thank you!
This should be the top comment! 👍
@@VungL how fucking impatient are you that you cant watch like a 1 minute video
Imagine you get drafted into the army and you see bts standing there 💀💀💀
STOP 💀😭 FR
That'd be funny cause I have no idea who that is
Man, my friendly fire would be through the roof
@@JoeG.69 The K-Pop people
Them gay azz men would be the first ones in the grave . Lgbt holding guns lmao
North Koreans: wait y’all are gettin paid?
2 🥔 potatoes a week
@@Georgieastra😂
@@Georgieastralol
Ten years of mandatory military service
Me - you are getting jobs 🤣❤️
I really hope Bts don’t light up the dynamite they’ve been talking about on the battlefield 💀
Meanwhile in the Greek army: "You guys get paid too?"
Greek army get payed 8€ per month lol
Meanwhile north Korea.
You shouldn't be paid for defending your home anyway, thats like expecting someone to pay you for getting out of bed every morning
@@grizzly6018 then how would live otherwise? Lol
@@eleos7771 They give you
meds, food, a place to stay, guns, ammo, training WHILE YOUR THERE
then once you retire or are honorably discharged, you get a bunch of perks/benifits not to mention huge respect
When you're trying to get your 8-page essay to 10 pages before midnight
me too
Bruh
People really are complaining about videos that last less than a minute being too long
And people are really complaining about the comments on those videos
Fr
BTS never "asked" nor "wanted" to get military exempt. It was the Korean government who introduced the BTS LAW as an honour, where the members could postpone their service until the age of 30 cause of their contribution to Korea's GDP. But as we already know the oldest member, JIN, who is 30 years old terminated the postponement and began serving, as of today 3 members are currently serving in the ARMY, because of this BTS LAW from now on any kpop idols who contributes to koreas gdp or in general can postpone their military service until 30.
Agree V was so excited to go (ref:channel fullmoon)
Proud to be an Army 💜
THIS
Fangirl.
@@MR.BLINK_I don’t think you understand anything you read, if you even did that
This video is the embodiment of "How to make my viewers feel TH-cam shorts agonizingly long?"
She literally say’s everything that is relevant to what she’s saying there’s nothing wrong with it and if you don’t like it then leave
Nice try for wasting my time
@@Felix_hobinot relevant unless she took salary out of the title, that’s the only reason people clicked this
@@Eminence_1337you think she will just say the number and end the video? It is only 1 minute long, just skip if your watching this on mobile
@@Felix_hobithe US army makes this amount of money a month while in SK they make this much in a month. We don’t need unnecessary info such as “omg gotta add BTS to appeal the children”
Bts go distract the enemy with your dancing and song.
Bts: yes Sir.
Enemies : time to check if they really are bullet proof or not (reloads in united states of assault rifle )
😭😭😭
Seeing the men with makeup would probably trow them off lol
They'll shoot them anyway 💀
They'll use RPG to blow them off
“Guess how much it is in South Korea?”
“Find out right after this break.”
LMAAOOOOOO💀💀💀💀💀🗿
Damn it, I hate that!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You can’t listen to relevant information you clicked on for 45 seconds damn…sad
The additional information about current military requirements and events happening, is actually pretty irrelevant to the comparison of pay between the US and Korea. There are other “things” that could have been talked about here, that would have made much more sense. The point of my comment is that the video’s random turn of subject did not correlate directly to the answer regarding salary comparison.
@@otakugisa My guy its youtube shorts. they gotta do what they gotta do to retain viewership
BTS has never asked for military exemption and have always stated that they will proudly serve their country when it is time to do so.
Yes in fact it was the government that’s pushing so hard for that exemption because of how much lose the economy of SK would suffer due to their absence. They had a whole poll about it and got BTS a lot of hate 😀
That's a lie.
They did said that but tbh they didn't oppose when the government tried to give them exemption back then
@@rayfpdl as if you would oppose if you got exempt from being separated from the stage, your band, family for 2 years
@@golammorshed7260 I mean I would understand if bts never said they would 'proudly serve' the country. But there are korean men who choose to serve even when they have bad physical conditions enough to get exempted so🤔
I heard BTS didn't try to get exempt. If not mistaking, Fans said they should and they said they had no problem doing the service. They're doing it right now.
You're correct the members never said they want exemption or anything like that. They always said they will go and serve when called. And they r doing so right now with 2 of them in the military and 1 of them doing public service (he had an injured shoulder from 2010-2011 from a motorcycle and car crash because of his part time job, went for years with pain that he handled with taking painkillers, medical tape and shots etc finally got surgery in late 2020 because his shoulder got so bad that he couldn't pick up a bottle of move it). 3 of them are doing their service with the rest to follow soon.
Her info is incorrect. They did join.
It’s frowned for celebrities to dodge the military service so they tend not to try getting exempt thesedays. Back in the days, many celebrities got exempt using various shady ways and they got in trouble for it 😅😅
@@monkeybanana9269frankly i hate these kinds of inforgraphic shorts, they're atrocious. Putting all the focus on whomever that's narrating the thing instead like they're some celebrity
Do you guys have to bring up BTS in every situation??!! By the way, BTS never attempts to seek exemption or delay their military enlistment... they love their country and can do anything for it. Taehyung even joined a special military force willingly, yet some people still believe BTS seeks military exemption...🙄😑
It's actually BigHit who tries to do that..
And here's a friendly piece of advice: if you're thinking of dragging BTS into your video, make sure to do your research properly...🙄😑😒
Imagine being on the battlefield and hearing “Smooth like butter...”
I can't 💀
criminal undercover, breaking into your heart like that.
*intense bayonet sounds then open up*
oppa gangnam style
*horse dance intensifies*
*loads mg42 with malicious intent*
“Be ready to lay down your life in war”
“What do I get?”
“Uh here’s $300”
While it sucks, North Koreans trully get shafter. 10 years I think mandatory service
@@timothypaulino8454 I think if you stand up for other values to the extent that you are ready to die for them, then they should be really different, not just a little bit different
The cost of living is different so the conversion makes little sense
What you also get is the experience to learn how to fire weapons and fight in case you are needed to protect your family and citizens of Korea. Don't evade the reason why South Korea train their male citizens. North Korea is a threat.
@@onlyone266 but they could train the entire population and pay better
I would be careful of saying BTS tried to get exemption, as they never did. They do delay service. But the possibility of exemption was put on them by other music labels and certain ministers. BTS themselves never wanted exemption.
Of course they did lol. You think some famous, feminine boy group celebs are gonna want to go to the army ???
@@filfel30 nope, there’s a video of jungkook and Jimin speaking to their manager & the manager tells jungkook “no worries your military service won’t happen, should be the same for everyone. Jimin have you contacted Mr Shin yet?”
@@ayrefik6089 Feminine? Are you attracted to them? What does being feminine or not have anything to do with serving in the army? There's female soldiers too. Your argument is pathetic. Do you know them personally or have followed their career closely for years to argue anything of the sort? Were you in the same room with them while the video you mention was being filmed? Why are you taking a snip of a conversation out of context? That's what the manager said not Jimin. I could tell you "don't worry for BTS". Does that mean you worry? Anyone could listen to a snip of a conversation and assume whatever they want. You particularly dislike them, of course you will try to say anything to discredit them. Fact is they are serving in the military and never tried to delay it or postpone it while every other entertainment company was using BTS's name to try and get a exemption for their boys, some of whom even cried on a live bcs they were being drafted.
Stop projecting your own doubts about your identity and your fear for the military onto them.
@@ayrefik6089bro what are u yapping abt bro tell me u don’t know anything abt bts without telling me u don’t know anything abt bts 🤣🤣🤣
For the people in the comments, I would like to clear up what was said about BTS in the video because it could be misleading. This includes some background knowledge:
South Korean able-bodied men ages 18-28 have to enlist in the military. In 2018 BTS went #1 on the US Billboard 200 album chart and were in the top 10 of the Hot 100, an unprecedented first for a Korean artist. For their global impact, they were awarded a the Order of Cultural Merit award in 2018, which is one of the highest honors in their country (they’re the only K-pop group to ever receive the award). Since 2018 the SK gov’t has been questioning whether to allow them exemption from military service because of how much they solely bring into the economy, which was billions of dollars (USD). This debate had gone on at the government level for years, while BTS has asserted several times that they would proudly serve “when called”, meaning when they would get their official order by the military to enlist.
The conversation about their enlistment became an even hotter debate when they became the first Korean act to go #1 on the Hot 100 in 2020. In 2021, without their influence, the SK government passed a law that would allow those who received the cultural merit award to postpone enlistment, which only BTS qualified for. It was dubbed “the BTS Law”. It was also likely because they had gone #1 on the Hot 100 four more times at this point, were raking in even more money for the SK economy, and their oldest member would have turned the latest age to enlist.
The government, without BTS’ influence, was still debating whether to exempt them regardless of their decision on the BTS Law well into late 2022, especially after in June 2022 BTS announced during their anniversary dinner that they would be pausing their group activities other than the ones they committed to later in the year. The exemption debate was at its height after they made that announcement because they didn’t want to lose out on BTS’ massive global financial influence. The military was also trying to come up with a plan where BTS would be able to serve in the military but also be able to perform while serving, which would only benefit the military since they would be under their management and control.
In Oct 2022, BTS announced their intention to cancel any postponement benefits they legally received for their cultural merit award (which only the eldest member benefited from) and said they would enlist on their terms like every other normal private male citizen, as they had always intended. This put an end to the exemption talks they never participated in. They also revealed that they were actually going to begin their enlistments in 2020 (and even had discussions as a group to go as early as 2018) but Covid and going #1 on the Hot 100 diverted their original plans. Two members are currently enlisted. Jin, the eldest, went in Dec 2022 and J-hope (born in 94, and third oldest) went in May 2023. The rest will be enlisting as soon as they wrap up their individual activities so they can reconvene as a group by 2025.
BTS has never once asked for postponement- it was awarded to them through a law that they had no part in creating. BTS has never fought to be exempted from serving as they considered it their duty to serve their country. The optics alone of asking for special treatment would have destroyed their careers, but it was never a question to them if they would serve.
There have been other South Korean entertainers and their companies that have attempted to dodge enlistment or postpone it by trying to use their influence, and that’s where that Psy reference actually comes into play. You can read up on him and his enlistment controversy for yourselves, or even take a crack at the recent enlistment controversies from this year that has an K-pop idol facing prison time.
Thank you for your comment. I was about to make this clarification too because it honestly sounds very misleading in the clip. 💜
Thank you for stating the facts clearly and setting the record straight about BTS.
Ravi isn’t going to jail tho and I wouldn’t blame him or psy since sk doesn’t care about idols since they don’t protect them from the abuse they go through in the military and out
@@brennathecatlover4360 I didn't name Ravi, but "facing prison" refers to a potentiality, not what he was ultimately sentenced. He was still going through the legal process at the time I made this comment. I understand that he was very recently sentenced to probation.
Being idols is the least important point about what Ravi and Psy got in trouble for-- the issue is that young men have to put their lives on hold for something they can't opt out of unless they meet very narrow conditions. It's unfair to them. The abuse idols can face in the military is elevated because they're public figures, but abuse can unfortunately happen to any enlistee. Good luck to Ravi all the same. I get why he did it.
thank you for this. i was all, wait, bts never applied for exemption? they always said they were ready to serve and would serve their country when time.
She's like the friend who tells a whole story to get to the point they're making 😂
So fcking annoying lol
That's my mom, she tells a roundabout story.
Guilty that is me lol. But then when I go for the point too people ask for an explanation.
This is what intelligent people do.
That’s what I do, you need to know all the details.
Am I only person who came to the comments for the Korean equivalent monthly pay. And not some Korean idol gossip.
same xD. tho I listen to kpop too. I thought whatever she said wasn't a big deal and instead came to the comments expecting people reacting to the pay 💀
@@chollyappleseed1969 as long as they have different training meant for their biology, then yeah women should enlist too. However the current military training is the same for both men and women even though women biologically aren't as strong as men and not to mention period. This video of women military training got viral once in social media where the women were struggling to do incredibly hard tasks that men can do even with 100% effort and as much as their body can take, they became a laughing stock in social media and a lot of men made fun of how weak they were as if biology doesn't exist.
@@ineedscaratits507 women serve perfectly fine in the US military. They are weaker and the military knows this. They are not expected to be nearly as strong as a man or run nearly as fast on physical tests. The military is like about 10% of actual combat jobs and 90% combat support. Women in combat, the physically hardest job for ANYBODY, generally not a good idea. Women serving in combat support roles? Go for it.
@@ineedscaratits507 A soldier relies on the person on their left and right to keep them alive. Female recruits should not recieve special allowances that put their fellow soldiers at risk. If a woman can make the cut, then she deserves a chance. If not, then she don't.
North and South Korea both going to war with BTS army
Quick correction: BTS did not try to exempt themselves from serving - they’re proud to serve their country .
When she’s talking about the exemption, I believe she is referring to Psy, he did famously fake a condition to exempt himself from service.
@@lauraamancio7334 if she ir referring to Psy then don't start with: "Famous idols such as BTS and other celebrities like Psy tend to delay or try to exempt themselves from going to the army." She name BTS first in that statement.
Plz correct the info, BTS never tried to delay or get exemption! They earned this honor due to their contribution to South Korea as they have received Order of Cultural Merit 5th Class, they were given 2 years extention by govt itself while the govt was still debating whether to exempt them or not because of their cultural, economical contributions and global popularity. They were announced as ambassadors for the Bid for busan world expo 2030 & held a free concert for it too. The govt was still delaying their decision on exemption so just a day after the concert they announced that they will be enlisting starting with Jin in 2022 & while they complete the service one after another they will focus on solo works! Jin Jhope & Suga (public servuce due to shoulder injury/surgery) have already began their service willingly! They never tried to get an exemption, they already had plans of enlisting after finishing MOTS7 tour (cancelled due to covid).
Oh stop being so naive. Obviously they wanted it delayed.. Bringing up "govt was still delaying" is just an excuse.
@@bpxterry they have a cultural merit so there was a “bts law” created for them which allowed them so postpone a few extra years if they wanted to but they denied and went in early so what you’re saying doesn’t make sense
@@Jasmine-860 Another naive fan. You do realize majority of the members are 30? You do realize that entering when you're 30 in korea is LATE. They obviously wanted it delay to do promos/solos before enlisting. Im assuming you're still in middle school tho.
@@Jasmine-860You ever notice how cynical & petty people get when they hear of BTS REALLY being 7 decent, down-to-earth NICE guys? Jealousy.
@@bpxterryu r the one that sound childish.even i dont follow bts but i know that govt was the one that delayed.oldest member went earlier even though he had a chance to delay it.
so glad BTS took the decision to enlist on their own as a slap to SK’s government and media who for yearsss have been using them for their own benefit. served the government officials damn right.
edit : y'all talking about the govt NOT using them need to know the fact that the govt wanted them to enlist all while they would be allowed to perform at times just so they could bring in the billions of won they do EACH YEAR. the govt didn't even want them to enlist with freedom that, might i add, every man gets in South Korea gets, which is absurd to me. im glad BTS didn't let them do that to them and just took the years off. and as a matter of fact, SK IS set to lose trillions by 2025 because of BTS’ absence.
edit 2 (source) : “a report released by the Hyundai Economic Research Institute, which states that BTS contributed an estimated ₩5.10 trillion KRW (about $3.55 billion USD) to the Korean Economy every year. The same report mentioned that in 2017, one in every thirteen tourists visited Korea because of BTS. In addition, there were earnings of ₩1.58 trillion KRW (about $1.10 billion USD) from exports and consumer goods, such as commodities and cosmetics. Fortune Magazine claims that with BTS’s enlistment, Korea loses the opportunity to earn the estimated ₩5.00 trillion KRW (about $3.48 billion USD) per year while BTS is gone.”
Agreed, except the guy who cuts Yoongi's hair will be committing a crime! 😉 I just want him in a man bun, ponytail, pigtails anything just don't cut it. He's getting hitter every month!💜
Just so you know, the verdict was that they have to enlist. The government did not give them a choice. The relationship between the government,media and BTS is mutual. They weren't used lol. It worked out for both of them. They got to delay enlistment, government got good PR.
"served the government officials damn right!" ???? what? its not like specific government officials are telling them to enlist out of personal spite, lmao. their enlistment has even been delayed, but its literally the law...?? im sorry but some armys are acting so delusional about their enlistment 😭😭
@@sbear94 Listen, it is the law, but Athletes who receive medals get exemption. Classical musicians get exemption, not sure what their criteria is...how famous they are or how much money they bring in? Also those musicians of traditional music get exemption. Now I 190% agree with the traditional music, each country needs to keep their culture going. However, why classical musicians and not kpop? Not talking about BTS, any kpop. All they had to do is set some prerequisites, criteria for receiving the exemption just as they did for athletes and classical musicians because obviously it's not all athletes or all musicians. Also, govt officials have been taking advantage of BTS so I'm glad they are going into the military and NO MORE FAVORS to govt officials (I hope but they're usually quick to come to the aid of their country. Let them go into military and let Korea lose trillions of dollars, who cares, their problem.
@@Surftouka korea isnt gonna lose trillions of dollars bc bts is going into the military for 2 years lmfao
Don't forget that South Korea still has mandatory military service, while the US has a huge pool of disadvantaged citizens who rightly and/or wrongly see military service as a route to social and economic mobility.
You go into the military broke looking for money, and you come out broke looking for money with PTSD
they recruit boys IN high school sometimes too. should be fkin illegal but that will never happen since the government is the one doing the recruiting
@@ternedo6074 sad but true for even more countries.
@@ternedo6074 I grew up having people tell me to do military because of being so poor, not understanding I already had developed PTSD by that time and the military would not take me lmao. Same thing with a guy I used to know he would swear up and down he would join military one day and get rich live the good life but the guy was schizophrenic and he already had broken his back. Knew another guy who tried it and this mf had a felony 🤦♀️ he really thought he would pass the background check LMAO being poor in USA
@@ternedo6074 US vets have been treated like toilet paper since the start of the post WW2 era. Now they die by the hundreds annually via suicide, overdoses, and as homeless in the street. The many Camp Lejeune lawsuit ads on TH-cam make clear just how concerned the US government is and has been over its' disposable commodity service personnel. For the US Veterans' Administration, the post service deaths of US former military personnel are just a reduced expense.
That's during the mandatory service. Some other countries have or had that, too.
When I did my service in the german Bundeswehr, I got around 460€ a month.
And that's fair. You get to experience a whole new world, it's a lot of fun when there's no war, you meet people from all over the country... It was a really nice time. A friend of mine even learned how to parachute from airplanes and did some 60 jumps.
The way she brought up BTS and exemption in the same sentence was so low, BTS never ever tried to be exempt.
Bts and Psy information has some catch. Psy spent 4 years in military cause in his first two year he didn't perform his duty properly. So they punished him with extra two years. And when it comes to BTS I don't know the internal matter as I am not one of you but from outside it seems like it's BTS who wants to go to army but govt wanted to grant them exemption so they were delaying it.
Edit: when I said "they were delaying it" I meant govt. By THEY I meant govt not BTS.
Well, when you've got that "Gundam Style", you're bound not to do things like everyone else. Apparently that extended to military service as well, lol. #Psy
Psy was not punished… he voluntarily went cuz his first time he was supposed to replaced it with volunteer hrs but didn’t even do the volunteer, when the public found out, he said he would properly serve again
BTS said they would serve if they were called. The government allowed them 2 extra years to delay and was going to decide wether they would get full exemption or not but they kept pushing it. Then there were elections and the new government said they were gonna discuss it and eventually BTS made the decision to just enlist because the government not making a decision made it difficult to plani their schedule
Bro jin went
Yes, I believe all 7 members are going into service soon together so they can leave at the same time and continue their careers after.
“The alternative is going to jail” 💀
And i know the exact drama clip on 0:38 when she said that
you mean working in jail
Same in Finland.
@@umxrr8677 What drama is it?
@@umhi5743 Big mouth
I loved my Katusas when i was stationed in korea some of the coolest guys i ever met
Indian lowest ranked soldier (sepoy) earned like $ 450 and it is accepted as an average well paid job by most of us
What's sepoy don't use Colonial words I think this term was used during British Raj
Aladin
Correction - BTS or their label did not ask for military exemption at any point. South korean politicians actively tried to delay or use alternative service as a way to not loose the group's influence on a global scale but BTS decided to enlist themselves. First member is enlisting next week and others will soon follow him.
I'm glad they did it, not to follow rules by some corrupt politicians who want excempt them.
Respect. I don't like their music, but that's Johnny Cash and Elvis Presley level love of country and sense of duty right there.
Correct!!!
Given how much money they brought to the SK economy, not having them in the army is the right move. But exempting them from service would be a political catastrophe for any politician, thats why its such a controversy in SK to have them exempted or not.
BTS never requested exemption, others wanted to use their name for their own gain. After all, BTS always said that they will serve whenever called, and in the end decided to go themselves
Yes, that's true :)
When you don't have reading comprehension:
The fact that they were able to "postpone" the enlistment is actually the privilege. Majority of men in ROK isn't allowed to do so unless special occasions such as post-secondary education(this makes you postpone till 24 y o), masters(this makes you postpone till 29 y o), foreign permanent residency, etc.
@@rtb4619 the only way they were extempted cuz the won many things earned much value ,brought millions of dollars than average men in sk
@@moonkissedcovers4703 mandatory military service is literally mandatory for every citizen(male, sadly 😥) in ROK. According to your logic, exempting taxes from large corp CEO's should be also justified because they bring millions of dollars to the nation. How's that?
You guys know about the BTS law, right?
It used to be men between 18 and 28, that they had to complete their service, but in 2020, right before Jin turned 28, they put out this thing, which men can now begin their service latest by the age of 30. This was due to BTS being at the peak of their careers and bringing over 5 billion USD to the South Korean economy every year (more than all of K-pop together!), and they knew that if Jin was sent to the military, they would lose a lot of money. Now Jin went last year I December after turning 30, and then the other six members enlisted this year (jhope in April, SUGA in September as a social worker due to his past severe injuries, and the last 4 members: rm, v (special forces), Jimin and Jungkook (companion soldiers) last week.
And at first, they wanted to completely exempt them from the service, but last year in June (9th festa), they said that they actually wanted to take a break from group activities (not a hiatus!) and said that they would want to focus on solo projects and to go to the military. They were out of ideas for further group projects, and just wanted to take a break and come back some time later in 2025.
Gonna miss them so much 💜
wth i make more in two weeks working 3 days a week at mcdonalds south korea should pay their soldiers more
They have a marine corps that’s modeled after the us marines and their the only branch you can volunteer for VR Navy, Army or Air Force
@@evermoore66665 That's simply incorrect. America's equipment keeps them at the top in terms of raw power in any situation.
@@evermoore66665stop tryna speak on something u obviously have no clue about, if South Korea had a bigger military than the US they’d be the sole world super power, so why aren’t they? Probably because they simply don’t have a bigger military, not even a comparable one.
@@samuel_goopster6600 that's just not true, there is no top military, US has best funded but China has largest in terms of man power, vehicles, navy, equipment and weapons, there are 5 global military powers and they are US, China EU, Russia and India
@@search402 that's a massive false equivalence, China has the largest army and navy, also for one there is no set definition on what a superpower is, if a superpower is defined as a country that could easily take over the world or rule the world then no country has this title, there are currently five global political and military powers and they are US, European Union, China, Russia and India
And the U.S. has a marine corps that's modeled after a bunch of old Italians lmao the U.S has created nothing new or special, just has a huge budget
This is like reading a Tolkien book to learn Frodo's surname.
😂😂😂😂😂, what was his last name?
@@user-fn9cs4dv8r Murphy
HAHAHAHA
I mean..... I don't see any problems here
lmao
BTS willingly enlisted even while the sk govt were debating whether they should or not
“You have to be here. Not only do you have to be here… we’re not paying you shit.”
BTS didn't try to get exempt, they always said they would go
They said ? But did they actually do it ?
@@topfactland2120yes Jin’s (the eldest member) actually already gone
@@topfactland2120yes they did. One of them ( the eldest one) is already gone for his duty
@@topfactland2120 Jin, the eldest member is already in the army. The rest will follow after all tasks are done
@@topfactland2120 Yes the eldest member has gone now, followed by the other members who will be going later.
Keep in mind that the lowest pay in the US army is BOTH paychecks combined. I started as a private in thr US army and was super excited to get 600 my first pay. Majority of us go into the military because we can't afford college and do t wanna end up in retail or fast food (lots of us end up in that after service tho).
US is one of the few countries where you have biweekly pay checks, in Asia paychecks are monthly so once per month. So for a fair comparison biweekly pay has to be merged
@@provocateur-in-chief they also go by NET pay a lot rather than GROSS pay. I actually made as much gross pay said I wouldn't be broke lol
I felt bad for my E1 folks making $600 a month . Painful stuff
The least salary of an American soldier will make you an upper middle class in India or maybe even the ones who are rich
@SCATXXIV Depends on where you're stationed. If you live in the barracks, you're probably looking at around $2300 a month after taxes. If you're off base in Europe with dependents, etc, you could be looking at $4000 (but you have to pay rent, food, electric, etc).
Imagine seeing BTS in war and they start singing "light it up like dynamite" 💀
Go into sales not the military guys. Your freedom is worth more than minimum wage my dudes.
Sales probably makes more than me but I’m making 75k a year(not including the free 7k free I use in education every year and other benefits). While living in foreign countries like South Korea, Japan, and Germany. Not to mention 30 days of paid leave a year, all weekends and holidays off with random 4 day weekends and days we get off at 1200 (we probably only work 200 days out of the year) . Gained all this from around 5 years in the military.
I’ll admit though, my brother is averaging 110-150k a year selling cars. But he he locked to his state and barely get time off
So far not a single Kpop star has tried to get exempt from the Military, they just push it off until the highest legal age for them to go. Most of them refuse to not go as it would put them in a really bad light with the male public.
That's true. I believe no one gets exempted except athletes. But there was one idol who tried to leave, i think they charged him 2 yrs in prison.
@@cosmicgalaxystudio1539 i think it's Ravi. Idk his group.
Steve Yoo? But tbf he even got banned from SK and he’s the most infamous case
@@sruthikrishna3425 wow you are right, I hadn’t kept up with kpop news and had no idea about Ravi
@@loon7181 Yeah, he's the most recent one and they're rechecking the cases of idols who haven't gone to the military yet. Many idols are now being called to the service because of this.
Its crazy how she went through all that essay, just to state how south Korean soldiers earn significantly lower compared to American soldiers
Greece has the same policy 12 months mandatory and we get paid 7.65€ a month with some exceptions based on family situations and stuff
When I was in the military in 2003, the monthly salary of a sergeant was 100,000 won. About $100 USD.
In 🇬🇷 GREEC it is a 7 $- USD
should have been KATUSA? got paid usa pay!
Damn, y'all suffering.
Your Chinese? How are you accessing the worldwide web? I know you have internet in China but it's been cutoff from the outside world for years now. How did you access TH-cam?
@Tina-mt9cl wait who are you talking to cuz no one said they were chinese.. also, chinese internet is heavily censored and monitored but it's not completely cut from the world LOL i think a lot of ppl use vpn
I used to serve in south Korea and was proud to call many KATUSAs my friends. The salary is small but they are well looked after. They get vouchers for anything that they absolutely need like haircuts or clothes and they eat for free at the chow hall.
How do people with families do it? They have to pay the rent, buy food, and they may have children.
@@laurelabouffe the single guys should get accomodation at barracks
@@laurelabouffe If you have kids, there’s this thing called 상근예비역 where you can go home after day training. They sometimes allow other jobs so the soldiers can make ends meet. But you still have to be there for day training 😂
@@Rooibostea5959 OK, thank for you explanations 🙂 If you're not rich then it can be difficult.
@@adirge_hayu You have to accomplish your military service between 18 and 29 years old. So most of these men probably have a family.
India is a volunteer army, gets around $422 starting .
When the jungle starts singing " Dynamite"...
I used to work along side them when I was stationed in South Korea. Great guys! I felt so bad for them because of how much they made, and also they had much more strict rules than us. Nonetheless they still seemed happy!
How much work or money?
@@akazienoel2009 I was in the us Army. They worked just as much as us if not more and back then they said they only made 250 a month. They had to request a pass to go home for a weekend and their barracks were not very nice compared to ours
Lol most of them are not happy
@@TruthSeeker9038 you can work in McDonald’s and make more th?
I am Korean and military was NOT FUN. It was painful. We used to get like 80 dollars a month but government raised it few years ago. Most korean men think of military as a form of slavery because of shitty food, no freedom at all, so much stress, etc.
I thought it’s the comparison of salaries. I end up getting info of South Korean military info 😂
I mean, it unexpectedly extended the length of the video. But, it was interesting information though.
Interesting that military service for all their males is required. What happens if someone refuses to serve? Do they lose certain rights like if you fail to register for selective service (i.e. Draft) here in the US?
Same
21 in air force a bargain doe
I worked with Korean us military and their day to day life was pretty much Air Force bmt. Their leadership was able to use our bx to buy stuff and eat but the lower enlisted couldn’t. Their phones would get taken away for the night. I would often buy them Popeyes since they weren’t able to
Edit: btw next time if you make a video about a specific question answer the damn question don’t beat around the bush
Btw that measly 355 bucks is a huge jump from what it used to be
When I was in the army, which was 2010, I got paid about 60 bucks
Oh my god. She didn't day BTS tried to get exempted, she said idols in general try to get military service delayed (which bts did) or exempted (which bts did not but psy arguably did)
Bts and psy were simply the examples
Being so sensitive people can't even factually report on bts or have even the tiniest risk of misunderstanding is not a good look.
Thank you! People are getting so defensive because they don't understand what was actually said 🙄 its ridiculous.
BTS never tried to delay their service, it got postponed coz they won order of culture merit.
@@mygvesper5270 That is literally delaying their service lmao
Its an excuse for the BTS stans to get angry for no reason. As if they dont do that enough anyways🤢
PSY?, isnt that the gangnam style guy?, he literally got forced into the military and it destroyed his career.
BTS never attempted to delay nor get exempted. There was a law that allowed certain Koreans who received culiral merit award to enlist until age 30. Only Jin was 30 when he enlisted.
You're risking life for a call center agent salary wtf.
$355 dollars a month for active service is fucking shameful.
tbf from what i understand the cost of living is lower in SK than the US so yeah 355 is low but it is probably enough
@@bigbrexitdad879 “enough” its not close to enough and you barely cover the amount you spend in the military buying snaks.
But the housing, food, & medical costs are covered by the government, right?
I wonder how much money do North Korean military members get?
@@SV-kr9fu north Korean soldiers get 1-3 dollars per month and have to serve for 10 years, they have to eat rats and insects to survive
@@bigbrexitdad879 Average income of SK is $34,000 do you still think is that pay enough?
A volunteer is paid more than a lawfully required citizen, imagine my shock
One is the only Superpower in the world the other is South Korea
@@damianmorningstar3150I’m gonna shock you with this next one
BTS was increasing SK economics from concerts to merchandise. That didn't try at all to get an exemption and the first who has enlisted (Seok Jin) actually enlisted himself. Recently the SK government wanted them to perform to heighten sells even trying to open the soldier members schedule to do so. The video worded them poorly
That was so nasty of govt trying to get Jin & Hobi perform with bts as group for their messed up festival! Good reply by hybe sending photocards 😂
They are doing great works but their portion of SK economy isn't that big.
@@user-oe1mk8wr7dthey make up 1% of South Korea’s economy in JUST making music. 11 years as a band along side of Samsung and Hyundai. That is a huge deal for a singular band to make in an a country. They bring billions of dollars and also have brought many tourists into the country.
One of the 1 million proof that S.Korea Peacefull freedom nation
feminists: we live in an unfair unequal patriarchal world!!!! wahhhhh!!!
this video....
Yeah
Fr they say "fuck patriarchy" yet they one the only good parts about patriarchy remained
She doesnt mention that in the u.s. military takes $300 from our pay for food a month, we also have to replace our uniforms and can easily spend over 150 for top, bottoms, and boots, we also get packing lists for the field and spend additional money to hsve everything we need. I was in a airborne unit so i also had to buy jump boots, buy materials to shine them, and pay to have my uniform dry cleaned every month.
Lol
Is it enough?
@@dlc556 no, you constantly work well over 80 hours a week and you're on call 24/7, so no the pay doesn't cover the work put in.
In Egypt, conscripts work like slaves in army factories and farms and earn $11 a month wich is 10 times lower than the minimum wage
for yall qeustioning, yes Jin did go, and he said he is very proud to serve his country. The other members will follow.
nah those guys prob scare cockroaches aint no way they want to serve lol
@@raa8202jin has already gone
@@raa8202 haven't seen namjoon and jungkook have you?
Heung-Min Son is the only one who got an exception for winning olympic gold and reaching the world cup for the country.. but even he would have had to go, if he didn't win the gold medal a few months before his service would have started.
@@mijiyu yes I have they’re terrifying
Imagine being defeated on the ground and seeing a group of soldiers, just dancing over you😅
Now where have ive seen this before......
*flashbacks to CODMW2*
Mission failed, we’ll get em next time
They really emoted on their enemies.
BTS go to army is not a suprise at all,,, almost all K-pop groups go to army...so yeah if u r on war with south Korea,u might actually are fighting with a big group of K-pop idols
Basically emoting
I think it's the right policy to follow...having a population which are acquainted with military is a plus point especially with small country like s.korea.
Dang. I said $500 and still overestimated. 😂
We iranians have almost the same situation as Koreans,but our lowest rank soldier gets payed for somthig around 40 USD per month
This is so real, thats why I always take the KATUSA soldiers out to eat when i can. But on the other side i was blessed enough to serve with and witness Lee Min Ho during my 1 year tour in SK. Also got to meet some Twice member 🤭🫶🏽
Was he nice?
Hold up, ya can't say ya got to meet members of TWICE and not give details 🤣 all of us ONCES wanna know who and how that happened 😂
From what I'm told, KATUSA soldiers come from wealthier families and are afforded the better, "easier" option (dont know how much easier it is) as opposed to serving their time with the regular ROK Army. Some old guy that has been there for years told me that *most* of the KATUSAs are not hurting for cash....With that being said, it's a great thing what you've done. 💫
Did the same. I had a KATUSA roommate, and he didn't come from a rich family. I know because I went with him to visit his family in Seoul on a 3 day Warrior Pass (2ID 91-92)
@@forestcop2399
I was in Camp Hovey myself.
"The alternative is going to jail"
As an Australian who has never been to South Korea but loves your videos, in your opinion why do you think South Korea rates in the top 5 countries for unaliving themselves in the world?
What the heck is unaliving?
Mostly because of the unhealthy work culture.
The korean gov was baiscally taking advantage of bts thank god they took the decision to just go instead of being dragged eventho they did sm for their country
What did that already do? Like how come you feel they shouldn't have gone?
@@zonesplayroom6549 What I originally wrote is way too long so here's this summary instead:
BTS' enlistment is basically just a move to promote the idea of the Republic's conscription to their young men at the expense of a sizeable source of income from tourism and general the general reach of Korean culture with the geopolitical power that reach possesses. The South Korean government has almost always heavily supported mandatory service, so to provide an exemption to the most popular men in the country would kinda hurt that stance. On the other hand, those same men have also provided the Republic of Korea with a sizable source of income, a boost in the tourism industry, and a growing cultural reach (which is a much greater source of geopolitical power than just having a good military nowadays)
So, they basically just made the personal decision to enlist now rather than wait after realizing they probably wouldn't get offered an exemption/alternative service. Basically just the most mundane and probable thing happened. Best case scenario there probably won't be any major impact on the tourism industry or cultural reach of South Korea, there's still plenty of other attractors to the Republic and BTS isn't the exclusive identity of South Korea, plus they'll probably be able to return just fine after service (or something else fills the void in South Korea's cultural reach and stabilizes the tourism industry). Worst case scenario they just can't optimally recover their careers & popularity after service and the Republic starts feeling the losses a bit more gradually... or immediately and their tourism industry takes a tumble.
It's basically just some international authority and tourism income. The Republic of Korea can go with or without K-pop obviously as it is still a fairly stable and powerful Republic (or corporate hell state depending on how you view it). It's just that having a single group be directly responsible for about 9% of the income to the tourism industry and probably a sizable overall impact on the tourism industry is a fairly nice thing to have for the economy that requires little effort or public spending.
edit 2: sorry for 3 paragraphs, again
@@zonesplayroom6549 they bring so much money into the country not that that should stop them serving but Korea is going to lose a lot of money because of this. But even then BTS has know for ages they have to serve
@@Max_basil no no I like to understand fully. As I am ex British military. With ours it's voluntary. So I always wonder why people who have to join at an age. In a pretty good country as I believe South Korea is a nice place to live. Especially knowing they could always be brought into a war against North. Right.
Erm so I find of feel that with that threat on your doorstep. It'd be good to know basic stuff like if a friend is shot. How to handle the situation. Not to mention. How to keep you mind while in the middle of a fire fight. Even if you are just a civilian caught up in conflict. Look at Ukraine.
Sorry I hope you understand my point and know I mean no offence. Just would like to hear your opinion
@@MollieMcLoone06 yes I understand. Though if the fans are true fans. The fact BTS leave for a couple of months should not matter. Especially if they do it with a message like. Listen if north Korea or any other country attack us. And I am at home with my family. I'd like the training to be able to mentally handle that as well as deal with any injuries to the best of my abilities.
That is my thought process of the situation. They should be going with pride in their hearts as one day the training could help them save their country or their family.
I worked with South Korean soldiers when I was in Dongducheon. They're a great group of people.
Worked with US soldiers during my service in the Korean military for helicopter mission training. Great group of people to hang with.
We get the answer for the US in 1 second, meanwhile SK it takes the whole video 😭
In the finnish army mandatory conscripts get paid 5-12€ a day which increases with time served. Luckily the service is only 6 months for crew and 12 months for leadership roles.
That was a... weird "throw it in there for shade" comment about BTS
considering the government were delaying their service and not bts themselves
I don't think it was meant to be shade. She included both psy and bts because they are more likely to be known by American watchers.
“Unlikely that war will breakout between North Korea and South Korea” Korean War? It’s technically still an ongoing war and they tend to shoot at each other sometimes
They ended it a few years back didnt they?
@@cassu6 technically just a ceasefire. never agreed on terms of ending the war. alongside borderlines the troops exchange small magnitude engagements to this day.
@@cassu6 their just in limp mode, also they will never come to agreement for peace. North is a dictator who’s wants to rule over people, south is like the the US where everyone has equal rights. The two can never combine unless one steps down.
minor conflicts constantly took place since the end of Korean war. The most recent one was in August 2015, when NK fired anti aircraft guns at South Korean military facilities.
World's longest ceasefire?
What she said about psy & bts is untrue. They have never asked for an exemption & I believe Psy actually served twice.
I think some athletes & classical musicians can get exemptions.
I will do it for free for my Country 🇮🇳
After some time you realis you need money to survive 😂
All about money dude
"As a Feminist we want equal rights ! All female 18 years of age must serve the military !"
that is why I am against equal rights. women do not deserve even half of our rights when they aren't expected to sacrifice anything
If that happen their birth rate will got more decline than it already is
@@asseylum_2.012 force women to bear children? Majority of them are useless anyway, gonna serve their country at least in something
Yeah, they are a bunch of hypocrites
funny how men like you only ever oppose sexism when it's about military service 🙃
I love how the narrator goes straight into what the min pay for the US troops are, but before saying korea's min pay, she goes onto say what rank and branches the Korean military has BEFORE saying what the min pay is lmao
Yeah this is really bad
Yep was like get to the damn point like you did the U.S Army.
Well yes the military is strong it’s mostly its economy being so powerful that it is a formidable opponent especially with its allies
I got paid a little less than the Korean soldiers per month serving mandatory military service in Singapore
In Singapore,that much less salary? How?
Salary for U.S Soldier: 1,500$
Salary for S.K Soldier: 335$
Saved you some time.
Thanks, such ridiculous bait
Pretty stupid comparison for full time soldiers salary to be compared to conscripts of less than 2 years.
Edit:
Okay I keep getting replies about this. I finished my conscription of 2 years, so I know what up you don't have to explain again. S Korea isn't the only country to have conscripts nor are they the only country to pay peanuts for the conscripts. If they paid every single able bodied man a temp salary of 1.6k usd, the equipment cost of each conscript, the medical costs of the conscripts, the defense budget wouldn't hold lol. Plus what's a kid gonna do with so much money when they're performing military duties for the 2 years. In my country at least, the only people who whine about conscription are the people who have yet to do it.
Jesus, thanks!
I came for that and got some stupid K-pop news
@@fabiansander2317 at least they got a salary
@@nguyentrananhnguyen7900 that would be a violation of human rights or some kind of law no?
The lowest salary Finnish conscripts get is ~150€/month for the first 6 months.
All college students without an income get 225€/month from the government (+accommodation) just for studying. I hope that gives you some idea how little the conscripts get payed. I’ve done both.
It's actually less than that. For the first 6 months conscripts make about 70€ for 2 weeks,. With this inflation and gas prices it's literally nothing. I had to burn through my hedge fund investments during that period.
In Greece conscript get 8.60€ monthly (around that) for 12 months
What I don't get is why would you spend any money while as a conscript in the first place? I don't know how they do it in Finland but in the U.S you get a barracks, 3 meals a day, a job, free medical care, basically free everything you need in order to survive, and a job. Why would you need to spend any money on anything else?
@@XX89948I do understand your point but in a country like Finland where people get payed to study and not the other way around it’s crazy that the people who serve in the military don’t get even the minimum social benefits. Even those kids who graduate from high school, still live with their parents without a job or a place in university get 400€/month for basically sitting at home.
The men are forced to do it (I wasn’t) which is why they should get more financial aid than unemployed people or people who are studying. Many conscripts also have a family to provide for and bills to pay (electrics, phone etc.). The mortage or rent is payed for you, luckily. Finnish conscripts also get quite a lot of time off, some get most weekends off. Don’t get me wrong, more time off is a great thing but how are you supposed to feed yourself or others with that kind of money when you’re not getting any free food. The conscripts who still live with their parents do okay financially but the rest struggle with less than 150€/month.
We’re priviledged to get any kind of money for work many of us are forced in to and things are so much worse in other countries but social benefits should be fair and in line with the rest of society.
@@anni8456 I think the majority of the problems is money and the population. As much wealth Finland has accumulated, prosperity for many years, and safety it's gained while in the EU; being a poster child for your ideal modern European country. Finland is definitely making ends meet by all the social benefits it's citizens have.
All these big changes that hit the head lines for its populace and for the world to see came with a cost of expenses. Expenses where the government has to cut corners like benefits for military conscripts and I also believe you as a citizen in their country, there's a lack of a lot of things that you may have noticed while living there.
It's going to get better since Finland joined NATO and can receive more funding, but I doubt your government has its eyes set on its military any time soon as much as it wants to modernize its civilian sector. Any geopolitical problems it's neighbors has is for the rest of the members to solve. It's also good to point out that Finland is a very closed country from the outside world and doesn't tangle with other nations as often. It's a big part of their success since they can fully focus their spending on their population, and let others worry about competition and rivalries.
Here ya go it's $355,41 a month
@SamS 101 🏳️🌈⃠ Zhong Xina*
Well we got even less here in Austria during my mandatory service xD
What?! It's either 35,541 or 355.41
Choose one
@@VungL no.
Thanks for the info, robot
It's really sad we don't compensate our soldiers better than this
In Egypt where also army service is mandatory,The pay per month is 13 dollars😂😂and I am not kidding😂
내 병장월급이 9만원인가 10만원이었는데 이제 많이 올랐다니 정말 다행입니다
Jesus christ, how do you live off that
How did you live on like 50 dollars a month when 350 is already insane
@@gabevr6 all meals are free so we can live tho, but it's just like a slave.
@@SilverState99 they stay in a base. They are not allowed to leave until their service period ends. They can also leave a base when they are on theur less than a week long vacation.
@@user-qn7dy4sp4k You REALLY have to save all of that up during that 18-20 month period. Otherwise you would all be homeless and jobless as soon as you get out. And to think I used to complain about $1900 a month.
Korean soldier: “your drafted”
Korean man: “I’m gay.”
Korean soldier:”that shit doesn’t work anymore!”
Id straight up refuse lol
Especially when the alternative is working in a prison
It used to be like 20$ per month. So some people had their parents send them money while they were in service.
In 1982 as an E-2 I was paid $542.00 a month plus $83 for jump pay
Don't know how to break it to you but $542 in 1982, is $1,690.00 today
BTS never asked or attempted to delay. They were offered a delay, & there was a big thing over giv officials considering exempting them. They didn't wait, or attempt anything. They volunteered to go in of their own volition.
they need kpop army for war to dance on battle field😂
I have a Korean friend who grew up in the Philippines. They usually take exams (in English I guess) before the start of their military service. Since he got a perfect score in his English exam, he was assigned as like the assistant of a pastor. He got it good while serving in the Korean military.
Saying your friend got to be the assistant of a pastor and that he got it good...... phrasing.
That is not good, he should NOT have to serve. AMERICA IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND STRONG BC PEOPLE WANT TO FIGHT, NOT FORCED
I too had a former student who worked in the office of the US forces. His name was pulled from a lottery pool of other Korean soldiers fluent in English. He worked hard to fulfill his duties within the US office.
It does make a big difference to want to fight then to be forced. The partner forces that worked with the US, Katusas, where hard to work with not all but a lot because they didn't want to be there so it was a pain in the ass to get them to do anything. And got alot of slack just cause they knew english and was working with US soldiers in the Katusa program. We had to work twice as hard to accomplish the mission cause they were lazy. But as soon as it was brought up they would be sent to the ROK Army. They switch there tempo real quick. Started to work because they knew there ass would be handed to them over there.
@@briereia7713if it was free and with 0 benefits nobody would like to go either. Is so dated to defend war
It’s a unfortunate thing though some like it a lot of students in Korea really suffer through depression through this time it’s hard enough to graduate school in Korea but to dedicate over a year in the army as a mandatory thing is very hard mentally
yeah... talk like that back 1950 when north korea almost whipe south korea from world map
@@franssinurat9696 Yeah and there has been over 60 years of peace with no real harm between the two countries
@@archiveplug1819 because the commies will never win in a conventional war, they'll just be fertilizer if they should start a war and no liberal like yourself will deter north Korean aggression. In short, might is right
@@archiveplug1819wow must be nice in ur vision house
The last attack was in 2015
So another attack can be anytime
Have u see the situation nowadays??
War can breakout anytime
I’m not the only one then…. Everytime I see this persons videos I watch the first and last few seconds.
When for north koreans south korea is paradise and for europeans south korea is north korea 😂
We should put equality first and bring in women to serve in the military just like men, not voluntary but compulsory
I was stationed in south Korea for a year back in 2014. We worked hand in hand with KATUSAs (korean soldiers who work with/for U.S Army)
Kansas had it bad! No electronics of face jail time, can't go home to see your family and they only got paid $100 a month. They still had to pay for a haircut and anyhting else they needed but most of their family helped them out and us U.S guys would let them use our phones to call home or play video games.
They had it hard but they even said being a regular ROK soldier would have been worse.
I didn't know the KATUSA buddys have to pay for their haircut. Among the rest of the korean army, we usually designate some of the soldiers as barber and they get extra vacation. The barber boy in my unit was a dog hairdresser before joining the army lol.
When I was in Korea I saw a TC beating the absolute dogshit outta his tank crewmember until he got the tank up and running he had the issue fixed in 7 minutes
That's right. While serving as a KATUSA in the U.S. Forces Korea, it was the U.S. Army that cared about me, I am still grateful for the American soldiers who treated me respectfully
KATUSA stands for Korean Augmented To United States Army.