Getting OWNED over Hitler's Socialism
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- Was Hitler a Socialist or a Capitalist? Many people think my stance on this is completely wrong, and they're out to prove why. So today, I get OWNED.
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History isn’t as boring as some people think, and my goal is to get people talking about it. I also want to dispel the myths and distortions that ruin our perception of the past by asking a simple question - “But is this really the case?”. I have a 2:1 Degree in History and a passion for early 20th Century conflicts (mainly WW2). I’m therefore approaching this like I would an academic essay. Lots of sources, quotes, references and so on. Only the truth will do.
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Couple of points. Please don’t go to ODS’s channel to mass-downvote his videos or anything like that. Don’t call him names etc. I want to persuade him (and others) to take this more seriously, not turn them hostile.
And I know this isn’t my usual video format, and I wasn’t going to release it on a Monday… but then I thought, no, this deserves to be a Monday video. I actually think there’s something for everyone here. My haters will love it because I get “owned”. My supporters will love it because… (no spoilers). And that final 10 minutes is one of my favourite pieces of video I think I’ve ever made! You may not think so, but I certainly do!
Regardless, I hope you enjoy the video. Let me know what you learned. I may actually upload the final 10 minutes as a separate video later this week, because I think it’s brilliant. Seriously, how close can you be to seeing the light!?
Cheers!
We told you to take a bloody break
@General Alan Cunningham #BothVotesDank You're in this video, so stop complaining 😉
@Imperion I'm better at planned content. Even though this was a 'reaction video', I still took a few days to consider my response. And I also was able to put sources in the video, which I can't do live.
Stick to tanks lol, love your work on economics. Its helping me side step our current situation as best I can
TIK you know damm well these jerk-offs will try to defend Socialism any way they can. They understand your argument perfectly well but CANT admit Hitlers embracing Socialism nor that Nazism was a LEFTIST phenomena. They simply cant own that one.
In other words "Hitler cant be a socialist because I'm a socialist and Hitler was bad"....
Yes, that's exactly how I saw it too when I was plugged in. You automatically assume that Hitler can't be like you, because Socialism is so wonderful... if only we can make them see that it's not as wonderful as people imagine when they buy into the ideology
@@TheImperatorKnight I'm a firm believer in looking at any ones policy that works well. Too bad they have so little to offer. That being said, it does no good to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs while harvesting the best from the excess of the free market.
I honestly doubt you convince these fan boys but we can hope you will help educate many from the audience.
Your Thomas Sowell quote was awesome, by the way.
As the man said, though it Paines me to say it, "I regret I have only one like to give" this video.
Bingo!
well he wasnt one tho
@@pissfather6798 he wasn't a socialist? Uhhh... he was. Far left. :).
>"Hitler wasn't a socialist at all!"
> *gives verbatim quote where Hitler says what he wants that reflects what he clearly tried to do*
>"Hitler lies!"
>"Also, here's a Hitler quote that proves he's a capitalist."
The absolute state of socialists...
Leftists have been trying to cope with their failures in the last century, even Adorno defined authoritarianism and facism as right wing even though the worst facist states (Germany and USSR) were based on left wing ideologies.
"It was propaganda! He was lying out being socialist!"
Drac you full of crap. Herr Hitler was indeed a socialist and not a capatalist. You really do not have a clue what the term socialist means then.
May be you need a good steak out?
@@hariman7727
Oh yes, because as we all know, authoritarian politicians never lie, redefine terms, or make up claims/promises to get elected. That would be absolutely silly to even consider, right?
yeah because he wasn't a socialist at all, not that hard
funny, when one actually examines his own words and terminology, they come to that conclusion, any other conclusion is just impossible
That's why, after all, the actual "verbatim quotes" can be examined within context and found to contain nothing like what you're asserting. The actual quotes where hitler says what he wants that reflects what he tried to do, prove he wasn't a socialist. The problem is, you'll take any assertion of propaganda or any term ripped from definition and context, and claim it "clearly" proves socialism... which you've had to lie about and redefine to even get to that conclusion. Hardly clear.
the fact that you're very willing to exclusively take him on his word is worrying
but hey, as long as you feel you can dismiss any evidence you don't like, you won't see that.
Odd, when did "historian" or "person in tune with basic reality" become "socialist?"
“He is quoting Hitler but Hitler was a liar, it is all lies!”
5min later:
“Hitler himself says…”
This guy is all over the place, lol. Also, I am not sure where he saw Hitler talking favourably about Capitalism. I am no expert but I have read a certain amount of history and every Nazi quote I’ve ever seen has talked negatively about Capitalism.
yeah BUT THEY LIED which means the opposite is true, = capitalist. right? = LoL
Every actual nazi (or NatSoc as they prefer) you might run into today is rabidly anticapitalist. The name isn't a misnomer.
Hitler didn't view capitalism favorably. He claimed that he was a socialist, but Marxists and Bolsheviks had stolen the term and confused its meaning.
Essentially, Nazism is socialism with national and racial identity.
"We will achieve the goals that Marxism, Leninism, and Stalinism failed to achieve".
@Tim B Read the interview with Hitler in the "American Monthly" in 1923. He considered himself a "socialist".
@Tim B I have read and listened to many of Hitler's speeches, not sure what watching them will do. I think people get confused because Hitler was not a stable man. However, for anyone to suggest that he did not hate capitalism and the global economy is just insincere, in fact it was one of the main reasons behind his anti-semitism. It's there in his speeches and his writings.
Their evidence: "I watched a two minute video..." I am dead.
^ too self-assured to bother with the spell-check, eh?
...it must be a 'joy' to behold thee at (non-political) parties, too
@@nenmaster5218 If you want to do your views justice you might want to consider writing them in a way that doesn't make the readers brain hurt. Also you might want to present an argument other than "this guy doesn't agree with me therefore he is wrong."
Regardless of whether or not you agree with TIK, you cannot reasonably claim that he does not contend with the counter arguments. The idea that he is never able to be convinced of anything is objectively false, as I have seen him change his mind on multiple issues. Therefore the claim that "he will never be convinced by anything" is objectively disprovable and demonstrates that your perception does not align with reality.
Then again, when defending your religious beliefs I understand that reality comes secondary to orthodoxy, especially when it comes to demonizing outsiders. Consider deconverting.
Also it's really easy to be a socialist when you don't know what Socialism is.
It's hard to win an argument with a smart person.
It's imposible to win it with a dumb person.
It's not about being dumb. They are just biased.
@@LNVACVAC it's called indoctrination. In the communist manifesto Marx explicitly says Communism/socialism can't be argued with no matter what. It's a cult.
So what do you think the Nazi parties stance was on LGBT folk and other minorities? Similar to Trump/Republicans/fascists?
@@MarkCisOfTheLoonieLeft Fascism is anti conservative Mr.
@@MarkCisOfTheLoonieLeftAnd no, the absolute majority of trumpists and republicans don't advocate killing "lgbt folk", as if "lgbt folk" existed in a consolidated manner. The lgbt movement is fragmented in practice. Gay men despising women in general, both gays and lesbians despising bissexuals, lesbians in general don't want anything with transsexuals/transgenders, and transgenders resent the fact outside of bissexual circles they are mostly not welcome.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers."
-Socrates
That’s why slanders should be used at the beginning, rather than the end of the conversation - if you need them at all. Lol
Just like TIK's fans in ODS's channel. Very mature and not biased at all👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@666mrdoctor are you well?
I disagree, debate is lost if it doesn't have arguments left. And slanders aren't arguments but I don't mind people using them on their arguments.
Yes! I put it like this: When they cannot defend their position, they criticize the opposition.
I love how they say TIK has no idea of politics but don't even know the words "source" "arguing" and "audio quality"
@@jemericoharrico9246 It actually does. If i cant understand a single fucking word you say how do you want to argue?
Elitism is something socialists are into. What is he talking about? Tinfoil hat? I dont understand? " very typical language from those people
Warum hast du kein Namen hahaha?
@@19Crusader91
They don't want to argue. They want to be seen flying "the colors".
This is REAL RACISM and Mass Murder.
Ask yourself would this be allowed in any majority white city/town/community:
In 2019 there were in total 8679 homicides of People of Color and in 2020 there were 9913 homicides of People of Color according to the FBI …
I am so disappointed that I only just now found your channel. Subscribed. Much respect.
watch "'The Nazis Were Socialists!': Debunked Once And For All" by owen jones on youtube?
Honestly I'm surprised YT doesn't shadow ban TIK.
"What does racism have to do with socialism, I don't get it." This was absolute gold and really showed how ignorant they are. When it comes to Hitler's socialism, racism has everything to do with it.
And iv been told jews aren't a race so by definition national socialism is not racist just tribelist. I'm a national socialist and I'm not racist I dont think my people are better than other people because I think there inferior it's because I think my people are better, better for me that is because there my people and I want the best for them
@@BIATEC88 its a gateway. ;).
@@MrJC1 🤫
@@BIATEC88 well, atheist jews exist in their millions,
so it can't be a religion either.
@@Japs_Eye_Of_The_Tiger see it's so convenient there a race when it suits the argument. I always thought they were a race but when I say ok then there not a race then all of a sudden there a race. Damn there clever at twisting every narrative In there favour. Even if they don't do it themselves they have plenty of people that will twist the narrative on there behalf. I was literally saying there a race the other day and everyone is telling me otherwise. Man twisted as f@ck
Kindergarten teachers could learn patience from you 🥂
And they wonder why I sometimes come across as "arrogant" and "condescending". It's because I have half a class of children who won't listen - I'm just trying to get through to them that they're the ones who need to listen, not me
@@TheImperatorKnight I had to check out your channel because when I mention this stuff (and I have for years): lately a lot of people say I've been "brainwashed by TIK", after seeing your vids, I wouldn't consider that a bad thing 🥂
Next month, collaboration with Bloke On the Range - “Stress relief with 200 .303 rounds”.
The internet just brings out the most childish aspects of human beings. I'm don't even mean to be harsh here, this is literally what I've whitnessed for the last 20 years. What changed is the size of the audience, but not the core problem.
@@TheImperatorKnight you just proved the quote against you -arrogance isnt a problem if youre right but youre not
TiK deserves a medal for listening to this. not sure what was worse, the dudes audio quality or his commentary
OBE for having Brave ears! They are probably traumatized from the bullshit they had to listen to
you could literally hear his mouth foaming
best how they say they are not socialists :D sure they are commies :P
No, TIK deservers a medal for his calm and reasoned response. I listened to it too (as difficult as it was), but I sure couldn't have produced such a high quality response to it, which is much, much harder to do.
Lmao 😂 so true
The moment anyone says they didn't watch the video that they're "Debunking" any form of credibility has basically gone into the trash.
If there was an airlock it would be even better
This must’ve felt like being back in retail dealing with 2 awkward customers.
There are massive parallels!
@@TheImperatorKnight Imagine a customer asking for "diet water" when there's only two types of water at retail (mineral and regular)
@@tyvamakes5226 --- Imagine a customer asking for "diet water" when there's only two types of water at retail (mineral and regular)
Wayne Patterson --- That is when you let them know that you can let them have the new and improved diet tap water that just arrived in stock.
@@TheImperatorKnight I'm working part time as an entry level grunt in retail at a dollar store as a side gig so I can get extra cashflow to pay off my bills ahead of schedule. I can reliably state the abject inability to reason on display here has only been matched by a customer who thought it would be funny to "prank" me by telling me he was going to pass me a counterfeit $100 bill. Apparently he couldn't get it through his skull that people will take him seriously if he not only tells them he is committing a Federal felony but is about to drag them into that mess with him.
@@RaderizDorretHilarious. Luckily my small town has a university, so not too many of these types come around, although we do get our fair share of management stupidity.
It's honestly sad how easily some people dismiss all your work and the work of the authors themselves in extend.
This is what's getting me down. It's seriously getting me down. What's the point of working so hard if it's just all going to be dismissed :(
@@TheImperatorKnight The point Tik is that you are creating a solid body of work which will only increase in value and relevance whereas your detractors will wither on the vine. IMO 😊 Be patient.
People who dismiss TIK's work hold their views as a religious dogma. They will viciously attack anyone that challenges their worldview. He is challenging everything that they have been indoctrinated with since grade school.
@@TheImperatorKnight As I mention in my own comment (it has some criticism of you as well but I hope you find it fair), people like this cannot be convinced. Realistically most people are not able to break the indoctrination of the seas they swim in.
@@TheImperatorKnight Pearls before swine, TIK. You are doing historianship. As a field, history gets dismissed by other folks all the time. Hence they keep the cycle of stupid redundant mistakes going. Don't give up. Others acceptance of truth is not your responsibility as a historian: The presentation and preservation (And even reconstruction) of the Truth is.
I find it Hitlerious that they consistently mispronounce your name as "teal-k" despite it being an extremely easy-to-pronounce three syllables.
I think it was deliberate, as an insult. But I'm not sure what it refers too.
@@TheImperatorKnight Yes, where did these clowns learn to speak English?
I am from mid-western USA, and MANY times I have a hard time understanding English dialects.
Why is it that English people seem to have little problem understanding a mid-west dialect?
@@jeffreymcfadden9403 Its not you. I am English. He speaks like a moron, right.......
It's one syllable, three letters.
@@jeffreymcfadden9403 We English grew up watching American shows on tv.
Soviets and Mao also nationalized trade unions.
I love how the one guy says he thinks socialism has to have an egalitarian intention part for it to be socialism.
1. That means anyone who reduces their population to poverty (Pol Pot, Korea etc) are well intentioned?
2. He can't just make up a definition.
North Korea is a democratic republic, right?
Funny how these guys complain about a 5 hr video. Imagine if they actually read the books 🙄
You seriously believe people like this read books? Cheers
It is the eleventh commandment: Who can read shall be happy! --> Some people are unhappy.
Btw: The eleventh commandment was on the third stone table - which Moses dropped.
@@knutboehnert3163 That was in a "video" too!!!!
the only book, they've read was probably Harry Potter, let alone a history textbook, let alone a couple of history textbooks and historical documents for a cross-referencing and consistency checking
They burnt all their books
Their channel name is irony at it's fullest. Not even watching the videos they are trying to "own", and just using ad-hominem and insults rather than actual logic.
"Tilk" (while speaking perfect English and spelling TIK's channel name perfectly on the video title) and "This video (5 hours long), you're only going to have to watch 15 minutes of it to know the rest of the video is just trash" along with the channel name just clearly speaks how their attitude is. I wonder who the real "dishonest shills" are...
Yeah, I don't get the "Tilk" thing. I'm assuming it's meant to be an insult, but I don't really understand why, apart from the fact it's a deliberately wrong way of saying the channel name.
Sounded a bit like Teal’c from Stargate SG-1. Maybe they don’t like him.
...and though, simply open the video description and the time stamps are obvious.
Hasty-Incuriousness™ is one hell of a drug
@@TheImperatorKnight
When responding to provocation, keeping in mind that as many buttons are going to pushed, they are after all still butthurt and assmad about all the other times individuals like Milo Yiannopoulos completely owned them.
Because everyone they don’t like is Hitler
(an unironically binary political guide for nonbinaries and other affiliated subversives)
you TIK must be shoehorned into that treat-em’ like a Rollie-Trollie spectrum.
Never mind all the impulses to dehumanise
(InB4: once a Kulak )
@@duckling3615 Indeed.
Its a bad sign when they barely get ten seconds in and are chatting crap, would be like reading the first two sentences of a book and rearing judgement
They are self admitted NOT left wing or knowledgeable so NOT good critics but that doesn't make tik correct
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@@fuckfannyfiddlefart Note when that video was published. Then note when my Hitler's Socialism video was published. Then watch this video fully. If nothing else, I hope you will then realize why the video you posted doesn't address my argument in any way shape or form. Thank you.
@@TheImperatorKnight
You are totally wrong, why not address a real historians assessment instead of some self confessed ignorant podcasters.
Its cost you are wrong, so is this EGO or is this far right disinformation, I can't define your motivation but you have to as of this is a mistake you need to stop going down this path of grooming for the far right.
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@@fuckfannyfiddlefart Exactly what makes TIK a far righter? He is not a nationalist, he opposes racism, he doesn’t believe race has any scientific grounds, he opposes tons of regimes you yourself would call far right such as nazi germany, italy, spain...
I do not know what TIK’s opinion on immigration is, and his negative remark about the lockdowns at first glance gave off some conspiracy vibes (I’d have to know more about his opinion on that though)... oh and also the comment about Jeremy Corbyn being an anti semite (which i dont think might entirely be true, from what i remember he was an anti zionist not an anti semite) was also strange, but besides these two i do not see much evidence of some sort of “far right” ideology.
@@fuckfannyfiddlefart All the gentleman in that video does is preach points that have already been disputed in the video that @TIK made already. People in the comments section of that video had way better points than this video. You didn't find any form of trump card to prove TIK wrong, all you've done is make yourself a fool. Try again next time.
What a master class in dismantling criticism. You can always tell the one who has thought the least about their position by how quickly they begin to slander demean the person they're critiquing. You can tell they hold to an emotional ideological position not a factual historical one. Well done
If you name yourself something absurd like "Owning Dishonest Shills", there's a very good chance that you are a dishonest shill. Considering I've read some of his comments in your past videos, I have to say that his insults and childish behavior most certainly proves that.
watch "'The Nazis Were Socialists!': Debunked Once And For All" by owen jones on youtube?
@@jamesginty6684 Owen Jones is about as disingenuous as a commentator can be.
@@BodyGuardOfLies1Owen Jones is pure trash.
@@BodyGuardOfLies1 why caue hes left wing ?
he cant be worse than tik - the only capitalist shills worse than tik are prager u and daily wire
All you people saying he’s so calm listening to them talk bs, that’s how you’re supposed to be when looking back at history. This is why TIK is one of my favorite historians, you separate your life expectations/experience/ego from the situation and research the topic.
Spot on. I will admit that it's hard sometimes, and tiring, but you've got to think as objectively as humanly possible.
Actually TIK is seething. These guys died a painful and horrible death yesterday evening.
A good example of this was seen in the Eisenhower vs Montgomery video on the purpose of Market Garden. The weight of evidence presented supported Ike’s story. Historically I would have given Monty the benefit of the doubt based on tribalism.
he's also had time to think and go over his argument before filming, I feel that shouldn't be lost. I agree though when people come up with nonsense what point does it make to be angry or loud, the enemy won then over nonsense.
He does let his ego slip through sometimes though, especially when it comes to politics and economics. For example, he let his bias against leftism get the better of him in his “Marx’s Antisemitism” video to where he mischaracterized Marx’s views several times in a seeming effort to “prove” Marxists and socialists are antisemitic by nature. It was a very unscientific approach where he had a conclusion: “socialists are antisemitic,” and sought evidence to prove it, rather than the other way around. This caused him to make extrapolations and connections where there were none. For example, he made the very careless error of mistaking Marx’s definition of “a capitalist,” meaning someone who owned capital and the means of production, with the more colloquial definition of capitalist as someone who supported the institution of capitalism. This caused him to misunderstand Marx saying that “A man is a leader of industry because he is a capitalist” to mean “only Jews are leaders of industry” rather than the real and more logical meaning of “those who have the money and means of production are leaders of industry.” That video is full of little and bigger errors like that, like misunderstanding the use of terms like “Pharisee” and “philistine,” to totally missing the meaning of dialectics. Let’s not even get into TIK’s very... niche take that corporations somehow aren’t capitalist.
Is any of this to say that Marx himself didn’t hold antisemitic views or that racism didn’t color some of his views? No. But to paint every single thing he wrote as inherently full of antisemitic dog whistles, and by extension, all socialists as secretly antisemitic (despite the fact that TIK himself has said that Marx didn’t invent socialism) is incredibly misguided at best, and downright dishonest at worst. Not to mention that it ignores the decades of leftist/socialists theory pioneered by Jews and anti-racists that are explicitly intersectional and anti-racist.
I love the part where they kept saying "IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM!"
Absolutely. So you notice how socialists try to hide where their ideology leads by denying that evil regimes was socialism. The NAZIs are just one example. Those who honestly admit the atrocities of socialism simply deny that the regimes involved were socialist. The argument is that Stalinism was a perversion of socialism. The problem is that this is the way all socialist regimes behaved with varying degrees of brutality. I have had many internet discussions, and I always ask, name one successful socialist regime. Or one socialist regime that did not use extreme violence. And they never take me up on the challenge. Some suggest European democratic socialism. But these are not socialist regimes. These countries do not ban private property. They allow free trade unions and have core capitalist economies.
lol.it was hitlers fault it didnot work.
@@tomazlah8238 Just like it was Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, Mao, the Kims, Pol Pot, etc to blame on the failure!?! Absolute nonsense. It was the system that did not work. And the system that created those monisters. did not work. There have been about 25 socialist regimes. And not one of them worked. I challenge you to name one single prosperous socialist economy. JUST ONE. They could create military power. They could not create a productive, prosperous economy. How many failures does it take to convince you that socialism does not work? The only prosperous economies are capitalist economies.
The simple fact is that without worker owned control of the means of production, an economy is simply not socialist. Hitler privatized the single largest publically owned corporation on the entire fucking planet. Privatization is the literal opposite of Socialism. Hitler privatized utilities, the railway network, steelworks, mining industries, maritime trade industries, military production, banks, etc.
But it doesn't matter. People who say that Nazis are Socialist are inherently dishonest. You can't argue the Nazis were socialist if you look at their economic model. People who claim the Nazis are socialist only do so to smear socialism.
I'm not even a socialist but its the dumbest shit I've ever heard, and people who claim that are far too gone down the rabbit hole.
@@CarrotConsumer I think you are absolutely correct. With one exception. Marx may have talked about worker control of the means of production. But when the Socialists actually take control, they suppress free trade unions. It is only in Capitalist countries that you have free trade unions. In Socialist countries, the state/party seizes control of the unions.
hitler:"i am a socialist"
leftist: "no he is lying"
Are you a capitalist?
Hitler: "No. Capitalism as to be removed"
Leftist: "He is lying. He is just saying that to win support"
Based hitler🗿
Yes, lol.
Communists get so mad when You point out Nazis we're socialists.
To be fair, when ANY socialist claims to be championing the workers, they're shamelessly lying.
"He's completely clueless"
TIK: hundreds of on-screen references and hours of well-researched opinions
...you mean the on screen references and research that TIK is forced to admit disagrees entirely with his conclusions?
@@Gvjrapiro wtf are you talking about?
@@HowieHellbent Have you watched TIK's video?
@@Gvjrapiro all the way through more than once.
Also watched through his public vs private video more than once.
I have no idea where you got the notion that his own sources disagree with him or that he admits they prove him wrong.
@@HowieHellbent
Then i'd suggest watching through this one again, notably the "Other Counterarguments" section, where he attempts to justify the fact that his historical sources say in no uncertain terms that the nazis were not socialists.
I would be happy to quote these sources saying exactly this, if you have the desire, but i'm surprised you haven't heard TIK say this.
"...a load of Junk, using book definitions" ok champ, I've heard about all I need to right there.
I've been told the definition of words is irrelevant so many times I'd be a millionaire if I could monetize it.
Ah the doctrine of ignorance.
I'm just in an "argument" where the argument went as such:
"If you replace socialism with nationalism it all makes sense" in relation to him not being a socialist.
If you remove socialism from his speeches..... it sounds like he's not a socialist.......
actual argument from a (possibly) live human
But Wikipedia says...
The historian always cites his source.
TIK is criminally under-subbed for the herculean work he does! Thanks for your everything you do!
I love how TIK is so calm when they're throwing so much BS lmao
Stiff upper lip and all.
Exposure. The human body will build resistance to lots of things, be it drugs or your morning coffee
That incldues socialist nonsense
Personal attacks are the refuge of those who already lost the argument
@@Baamthe25th Not wrong. Arguments get better the more tested they are.
Still struck home else we wouldn't have this upload...
"Hitler was a Socialist Change my Mind" - TI(L)K Edition
Indeed
It’s amazing how logically, peacefully and respectfully you confront these folks.
I agree 👏👏👏
I think he’s having fun with it even tho he gets a bit worked up lol
He’s got his facts straight, that’s why
@@Patrk38 Yes, but that’s not that typical habit in internet, isn’t it? Arguments ad personam, aggression fulfill yt pretty well…
You are to be congratulated.
Love how they blatantly admit to not watching the video, and then provide "arguments" that were already addressed in the video. Other than that, they just call you, "stupid," laugh, and provide no argument again
I can hear how smug they are through my headphones....
The second dude: "Mmh yes yes yes. Aaahh yes"
Painfully...
The British accent guy is so much worse. It is paining me to listen to him. (edit: I don't mean TIK of course. I mean the British guy from the other channel.)
@@PhillyPhanVinny Cockney is awful.
@@dv28l74 right ok right yeah ok right
The sad but funny thing is, the guys who made the initial "response" video, *if* they see this, will only watch the first 2-5 minutes of this video and immediately proceed to make another video claiming they have defeated TIK in debate.
Thats the tactic those kind of people use
Nah they will just see the I got debunked lol
@@rtwiceorb770 seeing sense isn't the strong suit of people like them, by any stretch of the imagination
The sad but funny thing is that TIK thinks that this debunks the "Hitler wasn't a Socialist" view.
The fact that Hitler included SOME socialist policy does not make him even remotely socialist. If it did, that would make both Tony Blair and David Cameron screaming socialists.
But this is what happens when you have people on both sides of the table shouting about things that they don't understand.
Now, I've got no problem with TIK's historic analysis, but his analysis of Hitler's economics and political positions leave a lot to be desired. Apart from anything else, any Briton or American claiming to understand socialism requires a suspension of disbelief that I'm trying hard to muster.
Apart from anything, the idea that any self-proclaimed socialist would make unionisation a capital offence doesn't bare scrutiny.
@@davidcolin6519 he explains he reorganised the unions at some point, it has a name but ive forgotten it
New skin unlocked: Tik with headphones
TILK with headphones
@@OpalBLeigh its a british thing. they cant talk right
Gamer Tik
And they're Sennheisers, nice!
One thing I noticed is how much a socialist generalizes their ideology in terms of context. They like to say that the workers have to control the means of production but they never explain what that even means.
Do they expect people to jjst think "ah, so if I get hired at Mcdonalds I should immediately have some control over how the food is cooked, where it comes from, and I should make the profit from cooking the food and selling it?"
They leave all of this up to purely interpretation and that's why it's so hard to understand what their positions actually are.
Simple answer yes. You can say that the Nazis were not socialist because there has never been a true socialist country on earth. I don't think that's what they're arguing.
Its embarrassing they say you're leaving your area of expertise when they're clearly uninformed
This is one of the reasons I wanted to do this video. Many of my critics say I should "stick to tanks" because I'm no good at tank videos. Yet the vast majority of those saying that have no idea about economics or politics, and I've done my homework
No, these guys are professional political theorists.
Hitler didn't "ABOLISH" private property in the Reichstag Fire Decree: FALSE NARRATIVE. These are the decree words: "restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." RESTRICTIONS NOT ABOLISHMENT. Also, Nationalised doesn't mean Socialised. We can still see what you do there! By explaining how Nazis took charge of the industries but gave no worker's representation or power you prove that that's not Socialism but STATALISM. TIK ignored completely the Class ideology of Socialism mixing state/unions/workers/society when addressing the "egalitarian aim". TIK himself says Hitler's opposed (or more like ignored) the class struggle view of the world. That shows how Hitler himself voluntary ignored what Socialism was by ignoring the workers' emancipation point of Socialism: it undermined the logical base of its stupid ideological invention. Hitler is a liar but didn't lie just there only? Maybe BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BELIEVE SO! What if he was lying there too, manipulating the concept of Socialism just to appeal to the workers? It makes more sense than him being a liar just when you need him to be, while you ignore the definition of Socialism. But if you look at the definition of Socialism, supporting the "whole nation" is automatically anti-Socialist and just Statalist. BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORING THE PART ABOUT WORKERS' RIGHTS TO REPRESENTATION AND PARTICIPATION TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. The "GERMAN" OWNERSHIP OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION DOESN'T MEAN THE WORKERS' OWNERSHIP OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION (SOCIALISM) BECAUSE THAT OWNERSHIP WAS SHARED BETWEEN THE STATE, ANDTHE OWNERS (WHEN NOT REPLACED) WHILE THE NAZI WORKERS' UNIONS HAD NO LEGISLATIVE/DECISION MAKING POWER (LIKE THE SOVIETS HAD INITIALLY, FOR EXAMPLE). Here, I explained to you what you asked at 29:10. You can't support "the whole nation" and being Socialist, because you are not addressing the workers' power imbalance. You justify this just saying that in Nazi German the business owner were not completely in charge. True, the state was above the business owners but that doesn't mean that workers were granted more decision making power!! State DOES NOT MEAN WORKERS/LOWER CLASSES. "NATIONS ARE SOCIETIES" (30:08) NO, SIR. Nation: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. Society: A is a group of individuals involved in persistent social interaction, or a large social group sharing the same spatial or social territory, typically subject to the same political authority and dominant cultural expectations. YOU ARE SPREADING FALSE EQUIVALENCES. You HAVE THE DUTY TO WATCH WHAT YOU SAY BEFORE SPREADING YOUR UNEDUCATED OPINION ON THE INTERNET OR AT LEAST APOLOGISE/RETTIFY. For example, a long term foreigner living in a natiom is PART OF THE SOCIETY BUT NOT OF THAT NATION (he may have a different descent!!!!) Also, the dole was only for the citizens in Rome, not in the provinces. Ps: I'm not a Socialist or Marxist.
@@666mrdoctor Maybe get off Hitlers dick. Most of the points you make are arguing semantics, which you can't possibly think you ever be able to meaningful convince anyone either way (especially when you think just using capitals is some how improving you points) and are just straight wrong sometimes.for example. The definitions you have listed of nations and societies, would very obviously make them synonyms. The meaning may not have the same wording but evidently overlap in meaning.
@@666mrdoctor Clearly you just don’t understand the definition of socialism. And yes you are a marxist socialist
I lost brain cells listening to those people reacting emotionally and dismissing your arguments out of hand.
He literally dismiss 90% of their videos and the other parts
@@rigel9102 Because they are wrong. Both sides are guilty of dismissing others.
Meanwhile I'm debating with socialists who are trying to argue the difference between "public" and "community" saying that's the difference between Nazi Germany being fascist or socialist.
@@UltraKardas What does that have to do with me?
Indeed, socially own is not the same as states own.
Lmaoooo is this really all people listen to? "Wow, TIK was so unemotional in this vod, didn't even have to listen to his argument. I just KNEW he was right because those dirtbag socialists are always so emotional." I absolutely love the fact that people don't actually listen to what he's saying, just the way he's saying it. Really shows how much effort y'all are putting into "finding out the truth". Post-truth politics is hilarious lol
@@kyoshinka compared to them, he was pretty unemotional. Also, he has sources in the original video, ones they didn't get to or address
The whole “but there were private companies in Germany” is so weak. If I walked into a private company and in effect held a gun to the owners head and said produce for the fatherland what would you call this? Oh but he still owns the company despite my gun to his head!! Right sure he does.
Precisely
You own this as long the Vaterland needs you. After that Mauser 712 goes peng peng XD.
Comparision :
The Motherland needs t 34. Built T 34 or TT-33 goes peng peng.
I use the mob analogy. When the mob shows up at your construction business and says, "Hey if you value your health, from now on you can only buy from people we tell you to, do the projects we want you to do, and oh by the way your going to 'employ' my nephew", they don't "own" that said business, but it is quite obvious they are controlling the business.
Well the UK was basically a command economy during WWII as well but no one would ever call them socialist.
@@owenb8636 But Britain didn't do that before the war, right? Every nation turns socialist in war...
Love how they complain about the length of your videos and then they make a 30 minute one where they day absolutely nothing
Ah, My soul is filled with joy when TIK shows that we ask these people if they've even watched the video. Its such a consistent problem
The amount of people in the comments here who are still trying to say that Hitler wasn't a Socialist is unreal. They didn't even watch this video, let alone the other one!
I don't get it... I can't get through to them because they have an attention span that's lower than zero.
TIK said in this response video, that modern societies do not have private property because there exists a property tax. He also said that all public corporations including those with no state participation are part of the public sector on the merit of having their shares traded on a stock exchange. By this definition every western world country nowadays is socialist. So, why watch a 5 hour long "Hitler is a socialist" video when you can sum it up in two sentences?
@@nurmikoil1103 You even summed it up in four words, doesn't mean that did the job explaining _Why_ we've come to the conclusion or why we didn't come to the contrary. The explanation is needed to cement a proper argument.
@@sulli1189 My point is, then it's not a discussion about a period in history. Then, it's a discussion about what socialism is and is not. If you believe that socialism means having companies trade shares on a stock exchanges, and home owners pay property taxes, - good for you. I personally don't care, but I'm sure there is a place for such kind of debate in social sciences somewhere. But it sure doesn't have anything to do with Hitler and nazi Germany.
@@nurmikoil1103 I don't appreciate being patronized by someone who asked me for answers. You have to understand, These videos and this channel is in fact the Social Science debate and it does involve historical references being why Hitler's Germany is required for the discussion. TIK's channel is by definition a form of Social Studies. TIK doesn't pull his vocabulary and information out of his butt, he leaves foot notes in Chicago style in the video essays, That is why the one we are discussing is 5 hours long, he had to speak the entire essay, it is an essay for education otherwise known as a lecture.
Do you see what your misunderstanding or do you need to rephrase your question?
“I didn’t watch all of it I watch about ten minutes.”
That would explain a lot
48:03
I felt that facepalm.
Probably wondering where he went wrong in his life by ending up arguing with some of the most dense people on this site.
@@napoleoniii8372I think by the end of the video, people would ask me why my forehead is all red.
You don't need to insult them, their arguments and argument style does that.
Hitler didn't "ABOLISH" private property in the Reichstag Fire Decree: FALSE NARRATIVE. These are the decree words: "restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." RESTRICTIONS NOT ABOLISHMENT. Also, Nationalised doesn't mean Socialised. We can still see what you do there! By explaining how Nazis took charge of the industries but gave no worker's representation or power you prove that that's not Socialism but STATALISM. TIK ignored completely the Class ideology of Socialism mixing state/unions/workers/society when addressing the "egalitarian aim". TIK himself says Hitler's opposed (or more like ignored) the class struggle view of the world. That shows how Hitler himself voluntary ignored what Socialism was by ignoring the workers' emancipation point of Socialism: it undermined the logical base of its stupid ideological invention. Hitler is a liar but didn't lie just there only? Maybe BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BELIEVE SO! What if he was lying there too, manipulating the concept of Socialism just to appeal to the workers? It makes more sense than him being a liar just when you need him to be, while you ignore the definition of Socialism. But if you look at the definition of Socialism, supporting the "whole nation" is automatically anti-Socialist and just Statalist. BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORING THE PART ABOUT WORKERS' RIGHTS TO REPRESENTATION AND PARTICIPATION TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. The "GERMAN" OWNERSHIP OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION DOESN'T MEAN THE WORKERS' OWNERSHIP OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION (SOCIALISM) BECAUSE THAT OWNERSHIP WAS SHARED BETWEEN THE STATE, ANDTHE OWNERS (WHEN NOT REPLACED) WHILE THE NAZI WORKERS' UNIONS HAD NO LEGISLATIVE/DECISION MAKING POWER (LIKE THE SOVIETS HAD INITIALLY, FOR EXAMPLE). Here, I explained to you what you asked at 29:10. You can't support "the whole nation" and being Socialist, because you are not addressing the workers' power imbalance. You justify this just saying that in Nazi German the business owner were not completely in charge. True, the state was above the business owners but that doesn't mean that workers were granted more decision making power!! State DOES NOT MEAN WORKERS/LOWER CLASSES. "NATIONS ARE SOCIETIES" (30:08) NO, SIR. Nation: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. Society: A is a group of individuals involved in persistent social interaction, or a large social group sharing the same spatial or social territory, typically subject to the same political authority and dominant cultural expectations. YOU ARE SPREADING FALSE EQUIVALENCES. You HAVE THE DUTY TO WATCH WHAT YOU SAY BEFORE SPREADING YOUR UNEDUCATED OPINION ON THE INTERNET OR AT LEAST APOLOGISE/RETTIFY. For example, a long term foreigner living in a natiom is PART OF THE SOCIETY BUT NOT OF THAT NATION (he may have a different descent!!!!) Also, the dole was only for the citizens in Rome, not in the provinces. Ps: I'm not a Socialist or Marxist.
@@666mrdoctor why are you copy pasting your comment
@@666mrdoctor neither did Lenin. The difrance was that the resteictions in ussr was harcher.
@@666mrdoctor your argument is nonsensical. The same things could be said of the Soviets and Mao. People still had private property in both the USSR and Communist China. You just don’t like the fact that socialism is responsible for the most deaths already, and this just adds to the heap.
Thank you for your explanation on why corporations are public, not private. I wish more people were able to recognize this. Fantastic analysis as always, man.
Would like to second this, really made it click for me what problems I saw in them but couldn't quite place. Thank you.
@@chrisplusk It's certainly one of the more difficult government issues to articulate well and put your finger on.
You're welcome!
TIK I respect how calm you are listening to these clowns
There's no point responding to their emotions. I wanted to make it clear that I only respond to their points, nothing more. Obviously, I wasn't 100% calm throughout the video, but the frustration isn't because of their insults - it was over their morally superior ignorance.
All the far right are creaming their pants at this revisionist NONSENSE
Maybe if he asked a historian or Marxist then it wouldn't be so easy to think he is right
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Just listening to how excited he makes himself , I wouldn't pay this junk any heed .
@@fuckfannyfiddlefart What is wrong with revisionism?
Boy, judging by the title, the comments will be spicy as hell
It's already starting. People telling me how wrong I am... I think they're going to be a little embarrassed once they watch for more than 5 mins
Bc. TIK is FAR more thorough and knowledgeable than either of these 2 jerk-offs.
@@TheImperatorKnight well it is because you are wrong and a lair.
I'm only ten minutes in and TIK remains calm while ODS just responds with a stuttering explanation using words like "dunce, trash, worthless"
Why do you have to hit me with those negative waves so early in the morning, dude?
@@TheImperatorKnight classic movie. Totally anachronistic, but tons of fun ;)
@@TheImperatorKnight Hey Tik I have a doubt. Can you explain Crony Capitalism? Is it socialism or is it just fake capitalism?
@@TheImperatorKnight No amount of positive waves will make their video tolerable to someone who knows his basics. It's a piece junk.
@@dariuszrutkowski420 thats what people like them generaly rely on , the uneducated masses who will believe everything they say even when shown actual facts and proof
"They're just trash because I watched only 15 minutes and ignored ALL the context and evidence!!!!!"
The amount of patience TIK had in dealing with their intentionally dishonest statements, is absolutely outstanding. Truly, a commendable skill.
The amount of bait this comment is using to get an upvote from TIK is absolutely outstanding.
@@numalesoybea1348 patience at this level is a truly commendable skill, especially in this day and age and it’s worth acknowledging that. It’s clear that you can’t handle that in a mature manner and have to drag them down.
As I watch this, I am feeling the frustrations I felt when I taught a class of badly behaved, undisciplined, blockheaded kindergarteners.
And, I have to say, that listening to the one speaker of the two with the heavy cockney (?) accent, is really painful, not for his accent, but for his ignorance.
@@thed165 you are 💯% correct.
@@meeeka it took all of 15min to start a headake going with the mental gymnastics and terrible logic skills they were using
This is what happens when children leave school unable to read, write or even think.
5:05 big oof, that chap just outed himself as a National Socialist
Hey AF i had no idea you watched TIK
What brings you here. I notice that you have 194 comments on this channel.
@@nukclear2741 how would you notice that ?
@@AFGuidesHD Why would he notice that?
@@AFGuidesHD I just click on the channel in the comments section. It might be a mobile only thing.
You cannot deal with these people TIK. Because they will never logically discuss their failed religion which is socialism. Faith is blind.
youre an idiotof the worst kind - dishonest muck spreader
These guys are content creators that debunk content that other creators make, yet they don't watch the content in it's entirety.
Did I get it right?
Good job guys, keep up the good work!
Debunk is too generous, they curse and make nonsensical arguments.
@@rwatertree I can't say anything about their attempt at debunking. I tried to watch their video but it's way to disorganized and messy for my tolerance.
About the insults, I really don't like insults over the internet. A little subtle mockery perhaps, but insulting is something done in the face of the other person and facing the consequences of it. Most of the times I abstain from insulting even in person since I consider it counterproductive. I just leads to even more emotional escalations.
Regarding keyboard warriors... Let's just say that I have a huge distaste for cowardice.
@@nunodasilva5449 they literally say oh hitler was lying about being socialist dont you know he lied all the time! 5 mins later: Hitler literally said he was a capitalist! My brain aches from the ignorance
@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 That second part was a lie from them. By their words, maybe we shouldn't listen to them because they lied before?
@@nunodasilva5449 im confused if you are against me or not. Just to clarify im on about the people that responded to his video
You have always researched your material well, and I've never seen you miss a fact or point. I agree, wikipedia is a quick reference guide, but it's not a valid source, and you need to compare sources to make sure you are reading an event correctly.
Wait, you mean reading Wikipedia doesn’t make me a scholar???
Also fancy seeing you here Tirar.
exactly, if a wirki article is (properly) sourced, it's always worth at least giving it a look and then going immediately at the sources
I do some editing for Wikipedia. For science and technology, it is generally reliable. For history and social science, not so much. One quick and dirty way to determine the reliability of a Wikipedia article is to go the 'Talk' page associated with each article. If the 'Talk' page is rational and adult, the article is probably reliable. If the 'Talk' page is contentious or even childish, the article is doubtful. The Left understands that Wikipedia has become the 'go-to source' for naive students and has organized efforts to control the tone and content of certain types of articles. I suspect (but can not prove) that some of our intelligentsia are compensated in some fashion for their Wikipedia efforts by left-wing money and power.
@@allanfifield8256 that must be why just one person who is responsible for a 1/3rd of the editing on the website is a conservative
Glad you’re here
"I didn't watch the video. I just read some of its comments to get the gist of what he was saying." Wow!
Muddying the meaning of words is a purposeful technique to stoke chaos and confusion. Precision in defining and a general agreement of meaning in usage in any discussion is vital. Thanks for doing this and exposing inane arguments.
You are amazingly patient with a guy who cannot even pronounce "tik". great respect for that.
Please keep up your great work, the world needs more people like you.
To be fair, it's very hard to pronounce.
They aren't responding to your points because your goals and their goals aren't the same. You are interested in what's true. They are interested in controlling what people believe is true.
And intimidating others into self censoring any similar discussion.
no tik isnt interested in truth - hes a hypoocrite and youre brainwashed - hes biased and trying to brainwash you in which hes done a successful job - easily done by non thinkers which is ironically his claim about the left
One day those two lads will look back on that video and realise just how embarrassing they sounded.
No, they won't. Socialists are biologically unable to do that.
@@ludwigvanel9192 😂 maybe in a few years they will be ex socialists though, or at least I hope so.
Sadly I doubt it....
It is cringe. Then again it's also cringe when TIK puts on mocking accents when reading certain passages, thankfully he rarely does that and the detailed analysis he provides more than makes up for it.
@MadManRob1 Well...he wouldn’t be wrong ;)
the thing is most people who call themselves socialists are people who believe socialism would be of benefit to them , they believe that a socialist system would allow them to hold their own opinions and allow them free choice
He unironically told you to STICK TO TANKS AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Instead of stick to tanks, he should sTIK to tanks.
Oooff that was bad. I’ll see myself out now.
I would need a "stick to tanks" tshirt!
Why TIk is wrong
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@@jaycorn9958 no no please, stay. i like puns.
at this point it's not an original statement, its just a copy and paste
You should do more of these!
There’s so many dishonest channels out there pushing economic fallacies, an example would be a channel known as ‘Unlearning Economics’.
What fallacies is Unlearning Economics teaching?
@@BigHenFor ‘Unlearning Economics’ attempts to argue that ‘Rent Control’ doesn’t cause housing shortages, or a decline in the standard of housing. He also argues that minimum wage doesn’t cause unemployment. It’s illogical, and the ‘data’ he uses to back up his argument overlooks many important aspects. I’d recommend reading ‘Basic Economics’ by Thomas Sowell and his chapter on Minimum wage and other forms of price controls and their affects. He dives deep into why the denialists ‘evidence’ is flawed.
@@BigHenFor I don't watch that channel, but the idea of "Unlearning economics" is a fallacy in itself.
It's as absurd as saying you can unlearn Physics.
@@plebius As per usual, you fail to understand basic economics.
If you find an equation which somehow proves that 2+2=5, it is wrong, regardless of what ‘evidence’ you use. It goes against basic logic.
A common problem with research on the employment effects of minimum wage laws is that surveys of employers before and after a minimum wage increase can survey only those particular businesses which survived in both periods.
Another way of looking at this is that you could survey people who have played Russian roulette and ‘prove’ from their experience that it is a harmless activity since those whom it was not harmless are unlikely to be surveyed (because they’re dead). Thus you would have refuted the ‘myth’ that Russian roulette is dangerous.
@@plebius I’m not, many economists know that you are wrong. Thomas Sowell goes into detail in his book ‘Basic Economics’ about how minimum wage causes unemployment and employs mountains of data which contradicts your ‘evidence’.
You are the one denying scientific research.
my favorite quote so far: "You can look up Wikipedia."
Yeah, that's definitely a bad sign! I do think the ending is pretty awesome though
Not supporting the guy, but I do like wikipedia, its saved my ass alot of times and is good for random trivial knowledge you need in a pinch
I use it for oddball calibers, and honestly they probably have the most extensive firearm information collection on the web, not always the most extensive on the knowledge, but it's there
Also good for music history
History, especially opinionated is not its strong suit
@@BOB-wx3fq Just remember. Using Wikipedia as a source will get you an F automatically in most classes outside of maybe gender studies.
@@DManCAWMaster I went to college 13yrs ago lol
@@DManCAWMaster back when it was new we could cheat on the stupid books they would make us read, like great Gatsby or death if a salesman
Wiki use to sum the chapters in perfect 2 or 3 paragraphs, you write it down and change all the sentences into your own words
Those books were unbearable for the most part
“I read the introduction to this thesis and disagreed, so I stopped reading. This guy is had no argument he didn’t even cite a source”
*clicks on ODS channel*
*sees 37 subscribers*
That's an Avengers-level threat right there xD
That's the best part and The owner of said channel wonders why he doesn't get noticed
I have more subscribers, and I don't even try!
But seriously: the number of subscribers doesn't matter: it's the quality of what is said.
This isn't me defending them, btw: TIK's got the better of the two.
23:16. It even says this in the BBC Series "The World At War", that German industrialists were encouraged to eat the same food alongside their workers. If this is not egalitarianism, I don't know what is. Oh, and the whole concept that everyone "belonged", as long as you were considered German or Aryan and kowtowed to the Nazis. Sounds like a socialist/communist state to me.
Exactly!
"German industrialists were encouraged to eat the same food alongside their workers. If this is not egalitarianism, I don't know what is."
That sounds like a gesture intended to present the image of egalitarianism. I.E a PR stunt.. At the end of the day those workers went to their little homes and ate their rations whilst the industrial elite went home to their mansions and had servants cook them 5-star meals. No one could consider that to be egalitarianism. There was undeniable wealth inequality and an inequality of prestige and political power.
"Oh, and the whole concept that everyone "belonged", as long as you were considered German or Aryan and kowtowed to the Nazis. Sounds like a socialist/communist state to me."
Liberalism has the same dynamic. In Liberalism everyone "belongs" as long as they act within the confines of the law and don't threaten the liberal order, I.E as long as they are "good citizens". The difference is Nazism and Marxism have a more limited vision of what it means to be a "good citizen" whereby many more are excluded or eradicated than is the case in Liberalism. You are right to put "belonging" in quotes because it is a hollow concept under any system that has to use force to create homogenuity.
Fun fact this is what happens in the richest corporations in the world.
A window dressing of egalitarianism is not the same as socialism, not even remotely. The British Royal Family took great pains to look like they were undergoing the same hardships as East End dock workers, that doesn't mean the class distinction between them was abolished.
@@MarcoBonechi And because these corporations usually end up acting like a socialist government (centralized control over decision making), they end up having the same problems that afflicted the communist states, i.e. inability to react quickly to changing conditions and entrenched bureaucracy. One need only look at the IBM PC fiasco or the implosion of Atari to see this.
Ending with a Sowell quote - perfection.
The government stole the whole internet idea from a individual, the government never invented it. There r some rumors there were a few couple ppl whom invented their own versions and government took each version and merge them.
All the "owning" the guy does is more self-owning, funny enough.
I love how the other guy just come every now and then just to say "YES"
I think the other guy (Trevor?) is somewhat more reasonable. I'm assuming he's on another channel, but not sure which
@@TheImperatorKnight *TIK* , I posted this comment but it wasn't adresssed to anybody. I'll repost it to you, because I think it might help you. Hope you do a quick read:
>> *TIK* : I congratulate your efforts and solid research. I think what BOTH sides miss. is when both Socialism and Capitalism get CORRUPTED, that's why for both sides is so difficult to explain. There is something called CRONY CAPITALISM, which happens when the BIG private owners of the "means of production" are cronies of the State. Sometimes these big magnates "buy" the politicians and govts. Sometimes it is the State who "buys" them or coopts them with money, or else... And that's what happened with Adolf's Germany. Its a CORRUPTED brand of Capitalism. A brand of Crony Capitalism.... Mom and Pop shops existed, and also BIG corporations, as long as they supported Adolf. And yes, that's how Capitalism can be Totalitarian, like Germany was. When it gets corrrupted...
And that's why Capitalism not always means "freedom" for the individual, or anybody. When the BIG private corporations and the State are cronies.
In contrast, in the Communist (and Totalitarian) Soviet Union, there were NO "Mom and Pop" shops at all. No small workshops. No BIG Corporations and no magnates to "buy" or coopt. ALL private property was banned. Everything was owned by the State. And it also managed to get very corrupted, but that has nothing to do with Adolf. It was Communism, an extreme brand of Socialism. No private property at all. And also no individual freedom as we know it.
Simple.
PS . Extremes touch themselves.
Corruption can lead to totalitarianism, from the right wing or the left.
@@ElYeyuno My hat off to you Sir - Excatly like this should they (ODS) have responded, after they had watch the full video - That is what I at least call a start off an intellequtal discussion - Refresing to see this ElYeyuno S (Pardon for any misspellings - english aint my first langague)
@@slandermansland401 ....Well, thanks. I was about to delete it because TIK had the patience to reply to me somewhere else. English is not my first language either, so some things I wrote might seem odd. The guys on the video think they know everything. It's clear they dont. And I don't, either.... I guess we can learn something new every day.
@@ElYeyuno Agree with "we can learn something new every day" and the way to do that is to listen, read and analyze what the other what the other part is trying to communicate, but sadly not many take the time to listen and read anything seriously. Which strange since we now adays have more spare time then ever.
As a hobbyist historian I completely agree with your conclusions. Some people have an agenda, doesn't make any difference how you can try and engage, they will always disagree. Please keep up the good work
Might wanna find a new hobby
@mike mcmike insults is reserved for when you lossed the argument
@mike mcmike when did i belive that?
@mike mcmike saying someone is dumb when you have a argument is just wasting space, it adds nothing, only make tbe argument weeker because its now second tear to "you are dumb"... proving you didnt have a point regardless of if you did or note...
Hence it should be saved untill you no longet have any valid arguments
@mike mcmike you clearly didnt.. and you still dont have it.. emarising for you
2:59 I think the elimination of the trade unions was more about the Nazis not liking organizations they could not control. But you are right, they created their own trade union (that they had complete control over) and crushed all the others.
Exactly, they wanted more control. That's what socialization of the trade unions allowed.
@@TheImperatorKnight The ultimate question is: how many strikes were there after the nationalisation of the unions?
How many were NOT put down violently, with the instigators sent to "re-education" camps?
After all, anyone who knows ANYTHING about trade unions is that they just LOVE a good strike!
(Sorry if you already covered this; I'm old 😅)
@@edwardcullen1739 see also what Stalin did...
1 union, no more strikes allowed.
Do you want to describe the USSR as capitalist?
@@auzor5900 Exactly my point (which I guess I made poorly?)
Once the state is in control of the means of production, interference with that, say, by striking, is definitionally, an act of treason...
So how many strikes were there? That tells you whether the trade unions *actually* existed or existed only in name... Like North Korea is a "democratic" nation... It's just that there's only ever one candidate...
@@edwardcullen1739 I see what you're getting at, but socialism isn't defined by 'union workers have the right to strike'.
This channel is quite the hidden gem. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, will do!
16:55 Did that guy just used Wikipedia as a credible reference source for his argument? Even foundation students at university knows to avoid this at all costs.
What's annoying is that the Wikipedia page on the Third Reich economy doesn't even mention the word or concept of "Gleichschaltung". But a separate Wikipedia page exists for it though, so someone clearly knows it exists. This is an indication that the narrative is being controlled by the user base on Wikipedia.
@@TheImperatorKnight Wow! You are a hero! Thank you!
Lol, I got into an arguement at a job interview/training session with a fellow trainee who had recently completed her degree, over internet sources. I asked if any of the sources she was quoting were peer reviewed. She asked "What does that mean?" Omfg.
@@neilgriffiths6427 Shocking. Having a degree doesn't seem to carry much weight anymore. Just watered down certificates.
"This man made a 5 hour video with tons of reliable sources, I will debunk him by citing some random 1 minute video I watched on youtube" keep up the great work!
A man who makes a coherent case using definitions that are explained in some depth And consistently applied versus critics who are utterly incoherent in the definitions of the words they use although sometimes they fall back on the mystical utopian idealistic fantasy definition of communism.
Hmm? And intellectually independent minded thinkers are supposed to side with the incoherent critics of TIK?
Not happening, but the npc minions might take that offer.
Credible sources that prove TIK wrong, yes.
@@paulrevere2379
Your point is true... only if you admit that is is TIK who is utterly incoherent in his definition of words, and TIK who relies on a mystical nonsense definition of the ideologies he disagrees with.
The intellectually independent minded thinkers already sided with the truth. You, evidently, have not.
@@Gvjrapiro Oh look... It's the rabid commenter who thinks that after days of getting pestered for sources, name-dropping a few people is sufficient to rest his case and turn to insults.
How about, for once in your entire life, you actually type out the exact details, lines of reasoning and the evidence you supposedly have of why you think TIK's video is wrong?
Haven't seen you do that, and I've jogged through multiple comment sections so far.
To make it blatantly clear of what I want you to do - Take a couple sources that TIK cites, show TIK's claims (preferably highlighted with a timestamp) and demonstrate how the two contradict each other.
Then, if you want to be an extra good cookie, demonstrate that the person who disagrees with TIK doesn't have a potential conflict of interest in the matter when claiming that national socialism is not any form of socialism.
@@OzixiThrill
How about you provide a reason I should do more work than TIK ever has in rebutting my comments?
At first I thought this would be a pointless video, but I thoroughly enjoyed this dressing down. Very entertaining, well done
I'm glad you enjoyed it! After thinking about it, I realized that this video was important in several different ways, which is why I decided to release it on a Monday. It provides various different lessons to both supporters and critics of the channel, and is entertaining in it's own right. I've got a feeling that this may be the end of the matter (based on ODS's responses so far, it seems that he hasn't learnt his lesson), but I'm somewhat hopeful that the guy may realize and admit his mistake, or provide a solid counter-argument. If not, I may just leave him be.
@@TheImperatorKnight I wouldn't put money on them changing their minds.
Despite their declarations, I think it's pretty clear they do have a dog in this fight. The benefit of videos such as this one, is that you'll make them looks stupid. They will double-down and make themselves look even more stupid. It's all about playing to the audience. Nobody wants to look as foolish as they do and everybody wants to be on the winning team. I suspect you have won over a lot of people.
I really hope there are more videos like this, but with one small difference. You need to constantly remind everybody that they are defending the reputation of the guys who murdered 100 million people, from the guy who murdered 11 million people.
yup, same on all of it.
Speaking only for myself: I found that rebuttal, which seemed to me to amount to something along the lines of "He's either ignorant or dishonest, because I say so, long videos and detail, all junk because wrong definitions, (name-calling), National Socialists were really bad so not socialists, (name-calling)", somewhat less than convincing.
The summing-up with the Thomas Sowell insight was brilliant. Indeed, the Truth will always discover who its real friends are.
Sowell's "A Conflict of Visions" is very enlightening.
You can lead an idiot to water but you can't make him drink. Even when he's clearly dying of thirst. They remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python too.
it's just a flesh wound.
It’s just a little redistribution and collectivization not socialism
They are a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect
And living in echo chambers.
the starting point of that curve
AMEN AMEN AMEN. PLEASE UPVOTE THIS GUY. And also, can you post a definition link in your comment? Because there are some like me who think, that the only serious epidemy raging right now throughout the civilized world is a pandemy of Dunning-Kruger, seeded by populist politicians.
amen
Actually yes, as someone with an academic background I cringe at the way they try to present their points. Also calling someone "retarded" or going full retard does not help your credibility. It not only disrepects those who have to live with disabilities and adds toxicity but it also pulls the whole discussion down to a highschool yard level.
"you only have to watch 15 mins to know the whole vid is trash".
an intellectual right here
"You watch the synopsis at the first 15 minutes and then when he starts arguing his point stop listening, there's nothing there that helps prove his point I promise." - A guy who's definitely not a liar.
Man, you're a world-class, academic level, true HISTORIAN, this is just a lot for some youtube people.
Yeah your right, this man is world class.
He is a giant among men on this subject.
TIK is basically on the front lines of the understanding of this and he is offering it all up in a nice little package with a bow on top. All done in layman's terms so we can all clearly understand.
I almost feel sorry for these guys trying to debunk him. It's like a midget fighting a heavy weight boxer because he will cite you to death and you will have no rebuttal.
There rebuttal's are pathetic. These people might think he's doing it for some sort of political payoff and it's just his opinion twisting his videos. Probably because these types of people do that themselves 😂
Listening to TIK he seem's like the type of person I am too a no nonsense let's chuck our misconceptions behind and go on a dam mission to find the truth no matter if it's popular or not.
That's what a true historian is.
no he is a awful historian and honestly a liar.
@@spellman007 no u
If he's such a great HISTORIAN!!!1One1!),
why doesn't he write a scientific article about his breathtaking discoveries, publish it in a journal and have it reviewed by his peer historians?
In fact, @TIK why don't you? And please try to answer without conspiracy theories.
@@abc68130 Scientific?
@ 51:45
I'm laughing way too hard: they're saying all this, and your own video is literally loading up exactly what they're about to say.
They're literally agreeing with you, and the don't even realize it! This is priceless! They literally proved your point!
It's fantastic! This part of the video is my favourite!
@@TheImperatorKnight
I can believe it: doubtless it's also the most surreal part of the video. Like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.
😂😂😂 Truth
You have more patience than I would listening to those 2 ignorantly joking their way though things they do not understand
We live in a world where it's now so common that when someone disagrees with you it's their automatic assumption to accuse you of being dishonest. It's a really sad indictment of where we are as a species. TIK I think your videos are incredibly well researched/put together and entertaining, which isn't easy to do at the same time. Keep up all the great work.
We live in a society
Imagine how much study time it would take to actually critique TIK's work properly! For me it would take years.
That's why I find it interesting to do a thought experiment with people who disagree with me. I assume their correct and then figure out what the world would have to be like. Sometimes it points to them being dishonest sometimes it points to them just having different starting assumptions.
@@SwingDancer61 That's the way I approach it too. I don't think these guys are being dishonest - I used to believe what they believed too, and that was because I was ignorant, just as they are now. So they're not dishonest, they just haven't seen the evidence.
@@SwingDancer61 Good thinking.
"It starts with welfare check and ends with concentration camp" - Yuri Bezmenov
So right.
Government does not provide free stuff. The first thing they charge when a person steps on that road of government dependence is personal dignity which leaves behind a cancer on the human spirit of individual liberty.
Many government programs have conditions which are much more blatant and objective restrictions on personal freedom, but loss of personal dignity is not so obvious but very insidious. It reduces a person to a state that is less than human.
The end result is well described in Alexander Solzhenitsyn's great work The Gulag Archipelago, but it begins with a mental lock down where individuals relinquish the ability and passionate desire to think for themselves.
given that the nazis campaigned explicitly on removing the ability for the old, weak, and minorities to access welfare... not the best look champ. They weren't socialists.
Pinocchio on Donkey Island.
did he actually say this?
watched hours of his interview,but...
@@sebastianrutkowski7316 Check out the Lecture he held in Atlanta in 1985
TIK's video about Hitler's socialism is the best video on youtube. The level of research, study and knowledge, the amazing presentation in different colors from each ideology is just amazing. I can't imagine how much time must've taken to make that video. The problem is that today's young people have a very short attention span, they just watch 2 minutes of something or read two paragraphs and think they know everything about that subject.
Yes, that's definitely it... it's those damned young people. Nothing like our generation. Completely different. The 200 or so generations since civilization sprung up saying the same? Ignore those, they were wrong, our generation is great. Us saying it about the 201st generation? Now we're talking real shit. Those damned youngsters being stupid (unlike us), and ruining the world (unlike us, we did and are still doing great as a generation). Damned young people and them being so completely different to the previous thousands of generations of Homo Sapiens... there has never been such a difference between generations as there is today. I mean, clearly if you look at the data, you can easily pinpoint the moment my wife decided to leave me.
@Jakub the difference this time is the fact no generation prior has had access to the internet. It's not "the young" that's the issue, it's the fact that our brains weren't designed to deal with something like this before. It's destroyed people's attention spans.
@@TheImperatorKnight I don't know man, I disagree. The same was said about books and movies before. Until we have enough concrete data I just can't hold that position. You put out tons of long videos that can be quite dry, and I still bet a lot of young people watch them all the way through. We're still the same... The internet doesn't make it worse, just more obvious.
@@jakubhejna6301 The thing is that most people that disagree with Tik and dismiss him, didn't even bother to watch his videos and listen to the arguments they are dismissing. That's what is bothering Tik, and rightfully so. If you watched the video and disagree with it, that's perfectly fine, everyone can have their own opinion. But it's not fine when you're just slandering a person without even listening to its arguments, without even watching the video.
That’s so true. I met a few American Gen Z and they couldn’t even put an argument what socialism and capitalism is from economical aspects. And his answer was “I read Marx”. Well, reading Marx doesn’t give you knowledge on economy. Not to mention that he never talked about economy to begin with, but rather philosophy of economics. I never have seen in Marx work if he ever mentioned how it all is supposed to work.
“Definitions change, so anytime someone tries to define terms, that’s a major red flag and you should avoid them because they are being stupid and dishonest.” - I can’t even wrap my brain around how you could lack that level of self awareness.
I think the problem is they can’t even give you a decent counter argument back with evidence just diss everything it shows to me basic level of intelligence the fact they say haven’t watched videos. I’ve always find your videos informative and well researched
Most who think they've debunked, actually don't debunk, they attack the ideas and knowledge presented while showing little to none that they actually know, to counter. It's like a child saying "because" as a reason why...
Well said David.
These kind of people... do not give them attention they are constantly in a state of mental cohesion and literally anything you say will not change their minds ever... and they think it would they actively try to avoid your points. DO NOT TALK TO THESE PEOPLE. i used to have a few "friends" like this that launched a full on smear campaign on me because i made them aware that i may well have something wrong with me and i wasnt doing well, they then instantly took the opportunity to paint me as a "liar" when i didnt even say it was conclusive i was making them aware and then painted me as anything else damaging they could aka Homophobe, racist, Nazi?, paedophile??? And this resulted in about 5 good friends turning their backs on me because they would just leave the groups i joined trying to defend myself so they could siphon more bullshit to them. This is all funny since ive had multiple gay friends and one of my best friends is gay and one of old friends is Portuguese and we have been friends since almost the very start of highschool and even funnier is he guy that accused me of paedophilia literally had been trying to go out with people not turned 16 yet multiple times! and my only relationship was with someone OLDER than me! Do not give them the satisfaction of attention
If that's the conclusion you've come away with, you've fallen for TIKs lies.
@@personaa422 and their obvious evidence against what he said is where to be seen? Nowhere
These guys must really like Stargate SG-1 if they keep pronouncing your name that way.
Indeed.
(Raises one eye brow)
The Dunning Kruger Effect is alive and well in this bunch.
In the Pro-TIK Bunch, yes.
@@revanofkorriban1505 Actually you just proved the Anti-Tik bunch is guilty of it.
People who suffer from Dunning Kruger Effect are confident in their answer. Those who don't aren't so sure about their answer until they know more.
At the very least, you just proved you are guilty of it yourself.
@@UltraKardas Unlike you, I am informed about Hitler, and that's how I came to the conclusion that TIK is wrong, obviously wrong.
As a socialist (Or more radical social democrat)
I would say defining Hitler as a socialist would be correct, although it wouldn't really relate to any socialist ideology with much following now-a-days, which I think socialists are taking as an attack to their own ideology.
To say Hitler was a corporatist is true, but that doesn't mean corporatists adhere to his ideology, and the same with socialists.
watching ODS lose his mind and all his attempts to try and build himself up trying to swing up and complaining of "mental masturbation" while banning anyone that asks him an honest question is just the best meltdown ive ever seen
Absolutely love how the guy calls you 'uneducated' when you have literal historical documentation to support the argument, whilst most of his arguments are followed up by 'in my opinion' or 'at least i think'.
When you project it is easier to accuse other people of what you are yourself. You know yourself best after all, so it is easier to make accusations that reflect you rather then your opponent.
or wikipedia :O
At least they are no dishonest enough to claim that it is no a opinion.
Olaf: Tik, what's it like getting OWNED like that?
Tik: it's a bit like being beaten about the head with a feather; it doesn't hurt much but you're glad when it's over
TIK: *Literally Provides 5 hours worth of historical evidence on how the Nazis were socialist
This guy: Bu' proivi'oisation roi'
"socialism requires egalitarianism...in my opinion"
exactly
in YOUR opinion
(it doesnt)
You're right, it doesn't. But I would argue that Hitler's Socialism actually was egalitarian for the German 'race' anyway, so even if we accept their opinion, it's still wrong!
@@TheImperatorKnight wrong, corporation means an organization that acts, "as a single body." Corporations are private companies. You are all mixed up man, stop watching Sowell and for god sakes never quote the shill again. Too funny!
@@dissident_sojourner Wrong. Chinese corporations are either beholden to the CCP, or are run by the military arm of the CCP (the People’s Liberation Army); just because an entity is a "corporation" does NOT mean they're privately owned. In France, at least half of the companies and corporations are run by the government, or have government-majority ownership (they're not government owned).
@@dissident_sojourner Mikoyan Guervich, Sukhoi, Yakovlev, Tupolev...
"the Finnish Bolshevik", wow imagine having that poor of hindsight to name yourself that.
Yes, it's wrong on so many levels 😣
@@TheImperatorKnight I would imagine his past country men would be rolling in their graves.
The work that you did with these 2 videos is amazing.
I cannot imagine the amount of hours and research put so thank you.
Also I have a small “curiosity”. I am new to your channel, so am I curious if you lost a lot of subscribers and in what proportion :)
I initially lost a few hundred subscribers as a result of my stance on Hitler's Socialism. It's hard to judge because TH-cam only lists the cumulative total of subscribes and unsubscribes, not the individual amounts. So I lost 150 or so, but it could have been more like 200. I could also be losing a small amount of subscribers each day as a result of this, but the number of subscriptions outweighs the number of unsubscribes. There's only been a few days in the history of my channel where I've lost subscribers, and most of those have been when TH-cam deleted spam accounts. Interestingly, I lost more to TH-cam deleting spam accounts than I did for my stance on Hitler's Socialism.
I did lose a lot of Patreons as a result of the first National Socialism is Socialism video in 2018. Many messaged me instantly to tell me how I had "betrayed" them, and how I should be ashamed of myself for spouting "blatant lies". I had only just gone full time, and the hate I received and the loss of this Patreon base made me worry that I was going to have to go back to working in retail. I then got angry, and this is what drove me to quietly do my homework behind the scenes and create the 5 hour Hitler's Socialism video. I wanted to show that I hadn't just come to this view based on lies or propaganda, but on hard evidence and solid interpretation, and that the people who were ignoring me or slandering me were wrong or ideologues themselves. I think I've achieved my aim with that regard.
@@TheImperatorKnight Well done TIK.
.
It's always good to hear of someone standing up rather than apologising and slinking away.
@@TheImperatorKnight You didn't lose anything you GAINED a higher quality average in your viewership!
@@jamesginty6684 Seeing you spam this in the comments makes people LESS likely to watch the video, not more.
The video from this person has been deleted.
I need more videos about Hitler's socialism, this really needs to be known.
I've been doing more reading, and discovering really interesting facts... so more is coming at some point 👍 I'm hoping this video does well though, because it feels pointless releasing videos on this topic if it's just going to get downvoted by a bunch of screaming naysayers who aren't taking this seriously. I feel like I need to get through to them first, somehow, and I'm hoping this video might do that
@@TheImperatorKnight I ordered about 20 books on fascism and Nazism because of you, so for me the videos were really worth it.
I advise you to not worry about the deniers, probably never getting through them anyway, but people who are already on the right path will find more information very helpful.
A great source is Ludwig von mises Bureaucracy. He explain how the European socialism, that the nazis used was socialism. You find the audio book for free on youtube, if you want to check it out, before buying the book. I think it is one of TIK sources, that he make great summery of.
@@adamkucera6823 I did as well, @TIK s references is a good shopping list (even if some of the books are out of print and expensive as hell to purchase). My credit cards don’t like me anymore, and I’m sure I’m on some watch list now. Whatever, as I’ve told folks, regarding why I am buying and reading these books 1) To read the information myself, and not just take someone’s word for it (even if it was very well done. Trust but verify) 2) Educate myself so I can shut down any future arguments where (some) people reflexively state any right-wing politician they don't like is a nazi/fascist. 3) teach people in the re-education camps, how we all got there ;)
@@michaelbuzny1170 I love your point number 2 and 3, same xD