The zulu people who dont acknowledge tribalism coming ng from most of them are like racists who say they dont actually see colour,there is COLOUR and there definitely is TRIBALISM in South Africa
True, I thank God to be born in Tshwane Pretoria, Mix communities are the best, Birth place of Deep House, Amapiano and Baccadi. Rabolela, Siyalukhuma, Rabolabola ect
How can a black man say another black man is different from other blacks. No tribe is superior than the other we are one regardless of geographic locations.
I'm not from Limpopo, but people from Limpopo province are not poor, Limpopo has got mines not just fruits. It is just people from Limpopo are not noisy. I'm from Free State staying in Limpopo. We were told by media that Limpopo is, surprisingly Limpopo has the lowest unemployment rate in South Africa, because there vast of opportunities in mining, energy sector, game farming and fruits and vegetables farming.
I’m from Limpopo’s, currently residing in Gauteng and in full support of what Penuel is saying. Especially when he mentions building, not only houses but industries also back home. There is a market for most businesses in Limpopo (and other provinces of course) and if we took home the resources, we wouldn’t need to be in Gauteng as we do now
You've completely lost the whole point. It's not about who is South African and who isn't. Afro phobia - what they term Xenophobia here doesn't see nationality.
Historically the Sotho-Tswana group has the most land in Southern Africa. Our land starts from Botswana to NC LIM NW FS EC. GP hence the word Gauteng is our historically our land but we are tolerant and we love others. The Zulu became a big tribe through the spear and Difaqane. Generally your argument is very weak and it comes from bias. I don’t think you know the history of this country and you don’t know yourself. What do you mean that the Sotho people look South African ? Who is South African? The original inhabitants of this land are the Khoisan hence the clicks in the Sotho Zulu Xhosa language is Khoisan. We got land through intermarriage with the Khoisan hence our mid brown colour. Originally bantu are dark in skin colour. You need to read your history. And when uou are better informed you will understand that South Africa is a white country it’s a result of colonialism. So the notion that some tribes are South African is flawed. If anything, the Sotho Tswana should be making a noise but we are tolerant people. You need to read and study history
@@Nellytheunique Laugh all you want. its in books and facts, laugh and laugh and laugh, it wont change the facts. Laugh to the moon and back if it makes you feel better and it makes you feel as though the truth is not the truth. laugh till you cant laugh no more
@@sanelemwelase there is a rambling message about Sotho, Tsawna blah blah blah. Joburg is their historical land, like seriously, dah. Make it make sense Amazulu, Xhosa only have one country South Africa Izwe labokhokho nabobabamkhulu. Therefore Joburg is our big City. That's clear and straightforward at least.
It not ignorance tribalism is natural deep down everybody supports his own! If there is a boxing match of two people I do not know! And I hear that one guy is from my village and the other is from another village obviously I will support the one from my village! And almost every other person will do that!
I beg to differ. I think some people are just tribalist because they are the dominants and therefore feel superior to other tribes in the same way racism works. Then there's tribalism that comes from being opressed by the people mentioned. We see it in Zimbabwe with the matshona and in South Africa with the Zulu. Being a Zulu tribalist and being a Tswana tribalist for example are almost certainly not on the same level of tribalism and the latter mat not be based on ignorance where as the former is.
Let's get 1 thing straight. Gauteng doesnt historically belong to a certain specific tribe. If anything the pedi king ruled until the vaal river but that's irrelevant as Gauteng was developed by the discovery of gold not Penuels tribe
Rubbish.Other Ethnic groups complain about the ethnic tribalism they get in the north west.People are very tribalistic towards Zulu's xhosa's.In limpopo pedi's are tribalistic tiwards vendas and Tsongas and feel it back whrn they come to Gauteng.Just like venda and Tsonga people are tribalistic in their areas and since there are no opportunities in their areas are forced to moved to other areas and kearn those peoples languages because their languages are very distinct and hard to understand compared to other languages in the diaspira and their areas are not that developed comoared to other areàs.Only a portion of people will be employed but the private sector fills the gap for unemployment.And other ethnic group s are forced to moved to more 8ndustrial provinces like Gauteng ,Kwazulu Natal and the western cape
There is a misconception that the Eastern Cape is poor, to this guy it's not the first time I heard him saying that the education part also EC has generational scholars we put priority on education and ask the old generation, how can a province with the longest coastline be poor that's a lot of oil, with first big and beautiful province like EC be poor it's miss managed with car manufacturing some people are dumb.
Inzule are angry towards AmaXhosa , and they have spread that in other tribes Maybe bacaphukela lento bengolukanga....if you watch this guy will show love and hate kuthi maXhosa. Because we're are superior just that we ain't recognising that.... Xhosa people are special brou! Even this 'poor' narrative is there to put a stigma but we're cropping up 😅😅😂🎉🎉❤
@@Nawal_SA Stop fooling yourself. No one is angry at amampondo, yes all of u ngingamampondo, u are also far from being superior in any way, form or shape. You are just obsessed with Zulu. If Zulu people were angry at yall, then there would be no Xhosa people in Durban . I don't know what ukwaluka has to do with this coz that is your culture, not Zulu people's culture. What does cutting a foreskin have to do with EC being poor? Lastly, statistically, EC is the poorest...it doesn't come from Zulu people but from the country's GDP.
As a Zulu person I've travelled alot in Limpopo and stayed with people from there.What I've realized is that they dont like each other.Venda, Tsonga,Pedi etc.They call each other names. In Malamulele Tsongas hate the neighboring Venda people vice versa.They share Vhembe district and accuse the Venda people of tribalism in that they develop Venda communities only and give each other jobs.I can give a sermon about the tribalism in that province alone.
The truth in this statement, I grew up in KZN and we lived with everyone, my neighbors were Sotho and Xhosa speaking people. I have never had any issues, nor hear about this hatred I have experienced in Jhb, We are not so different bantu bakwethu
@@zamagcabashe7502 exactly my point in KZN my best friend was umXhosa,my neighbors are Sotho and we get along very well. Enyakatho,uMhlabuyalingana there's mixed Tsonga,Zulu & Swati people.Nquthu mixed Sotho and Zulu. Mzimkhulu mixed Xhosa and Zulu but everyone gets along,you'll never hear tribalism in KZN. The first time I ever experienced tribalism and saw Xenophobia was in Gauteng. Here people just hate you for being Zulu, they say you are stubborn for loving your culture and language. If we are talking I'll use my language nawe use yours as long as we understand each other.
@marumotsesane7313 You're observation is crap, Zulu tribe is one and the only tribe that's not divided. Your tribe alone is divided into many clans that hate each other. Bakwena,barolong,bakgatla, bafokeng,batlokwa 😂 etc.... the list is endless. That's why you can't work together for any common goal.
@@sibongakonkedube869 mxm UYAXOKA!!! Every Xhosa person i know had a terrible experience... i have NEVER came across a Xhosa person who said they had a good experience in KZN.
Again why Zulu people? How can we have "A lot of tribalism" but come from one tribe? Stop this click bait this type sensationalism & jumping on the wagon is just pouring fuel to the fire. You Penuel will not take responsibility when a civil war breaks out. You use nonsense reasoning about Muvhango, if only Vhenda people watched it, how would it run so long? Kuyasho kuthi not much thought has put here not much research cause you not a journalist with integrity you just here to make a quick buck. Absolutely hate this & you are very wrong & stereotyping like this will not help the situation it will just incite rebellion & war, STOP IT.
I thought he was going to highlight that Muvhango was and is still written by Duma Ndlovu who is a Zulu, but he quotes what will support his hypocrisy.
I have only discovered recently a few years ago that Limpompo folks are actually South African as well I think it's because they are next to Zimb. Let's give them cuddles 😄
Agh come on, I met a lot of tribalist Zulu guys, fortunately I understand RSA history and am able to challenge them as a Motswana, they hated me.. recently at Eswatini I met a person from durban and when I asked her about visiting NW, Limpopo, etc.. she said what are those, it was in jest but she actually meant it..
I don't think I will ever understand tribalism, like how do you think another black person is different from you just bcos they speak a different language, that's the main difference in this thing. I understand the little differences like varying cultures and stuff but to look down on another person kuba bethetha into eyohlukileyo nawe it's absurd
Mpumzi suphosisa. Xhosas discriminate on the basis of their overdeveloped egos and sense of superiority. Ndiyabazi ngabakuthi. How many non-Xhosa friends do you have?
I did say that we have varying cultures and beliefs, but that's just about it, the part I don't understand is looking down on one another. I am not even denying that it happens but I just don't get it why
@@nomagcisacawe3297 I have very few, but that's because I'm in the eastern cape for the most part of my life, we get along very well with the ones I know and we talk about these things and very much aware that there's a subtle animosity that exists along the tribal lines
I think there is need for better understanding in regards to the Zimbabwe situation. Zimbabwe is 44 years old, and with in that timeframe, education became a cornerstone of Zimbabwean society, particularly in the early Mugabe years. Unfortunately, the education system in the country failed to offer any viable solutions in response to Zimbabwe's economy that began to decline in the 90's. Zimbabwe's education system, though it has produced a highly learned people, has lacked a doctrine that is progessive and centred on national stability. The education on hand doesn’t offer any solutions for the nations problems. For example, its primary and secondary school curriculums are based off of the British education system. So the concepts of learning are eurocentric in nature, producing learners that are good in english, highly skilled and knowledgeable in global culture. But they can't put that knowledge into practice, because most of it is not applicable in a Zimbabwean context. Our problems are unique and need a tailored education. And even so, our problems are superficial. Superficial in that they can be remedied with a dose of good leadership and administration. Zimbabwe is not a war torn country. Zimbabweans aren't suffering because the nation is poor, they are suffering because the nation is being mismanaged. This applies itself on civilian and governmental levels. In spite of the tough economic situation, there are still great opportunities for Zimbabweans to advance themselves, individually and collectively, through the ownership of land! But our 'education' remains a stumbling block and it must be said that the so called Zimbawean upper and middle class are at fault here. Because it is they that claim to have the most knowledge, but chose to function with a bourgeoisie mentality. Its only know that they are begining to see the value in land onwership vs having a good job and living in the suburbs with white people. They are farming, mining, building schools, universities and investing in toursim. And the government, in spite of its shortcomings, is introducing a new curriculum. One that is based on the doctrine of ownership and entrepreneurship.
The Xhosa people of Southern Africa are the only ethnic group in Africa to fight European imperialists the longest. The Xhosa people fought the British and the Boers for 100 years (1789 - 1889). But in South African society the effort that was put by the Xhosa nation to defend Southern Africa for 100 years against White racism and imperialism is never acknowledged.
Before the arrival of Europeans, I don’t think African tribes were living in harmony, we had our own tribal wars and we were forced to come together due to having a common enemy which were White people probably because we realised they were too powerful. I doubt we even ever interacted with each other, especially the interaction between the Basothos and Ngunis. And that’s why today I think the tribalism between Ngunis and Basothos is high. I’m Pedi and when I travel to areas dominated by Batswana or Sothos I never get concerned of anything but the moment I go to areas dominated by Ngunis whom are not familiar with me I do get worried a bit.
While I am equally against differentiating based on skin color and culture, it would be very informative and possibly important to obtain the views and insights of the Department of Traditional Affairs (DTA). The DTA is a department of the South African government responsible for overseeing the traditional leadership of South Africa's indigenous communities. For example, how do traditional leaders envision the future of South Africa, and what role do they see South Africa and its youth playing in global affairs and the local and global economy?
I'm a Coloured guy so I picked up this tension in the workplace between Venda guys and Zulus and I must say I never understood it, thanks for having this convo
People from limpopo used to feel left out pre 94.And the province was the most backward and under privileged so that anc policy was to equalize previously disadvantaged areas.I think Pedi's used to.pick on Vendas and Tsongas and everyone in South Africa used to Pick on Limpopians prior the anc enabling them to have equal opportunity.Remember all the gdp of South afri a goes to national coffers but the anc will put more attention o. A certain areas.Most people from. Limpop where not really exposed to what's happening in South affrica and I think growing up their dream is to go to Joburg to compete with zulus hence the obsession with zulus remember pre 94 the zulus were the it tribe TV education politics.I mean they started the anc even now they are everywhere the majority look at alit of province most of thebgraduates the highest matric passing in numbers I think k the percentage score so the limpopians have some animosity and have nothing much to do and the is more information on Zulu people's they come to joburg with anger and ignorance.Uts just an ego thing.And most venda used to be quite and tsonga and pedi people I think maybe the expulsion of male ma from. The anc and thebtribalistic utterances of malema towards zulus and the king while the are so many kings and Zulu areas are more developed I think it's more denial than envy.And most of the people in limpop share relations with mozambiqueans and Zimbabwe and Malawian.Mist of them can't differentiate between Xhosa and Zulu people.Also the perpetrator fuelling g black on black discrimination is white monopoly capital.But the issue is that will create tribalistic segregation where the majority will start oppressing the minority because of this situation.Pre 94 tswana people used to look down on pedi people as well as tsonga and venda people because tswana people used to be more privilege than limpopians.because of their area mining but remember it's the anc wich decides where the gdp will develop.If each province where to develop on their own gdp it will create some sort of superiority Co.plex the richest province is Gauteng then comes more developed and industrial provinces including the western cape.But infrastructure is collapsing in previously developed areas because the money they generate are not being used to Mai Tai. Those areas.So the current state of South it's implementing the wrong policies in South africa
It's just competition and ignorance from people who used to be disadvantaged.But you font see them fighting with whites.If we were to have tribalistic politics the Zulu would come of top the Xhosa. BBut I don't get people have tribal uttrances towards zuku people and still wanting their.The Zulu vote us the majority in the country. I just think it's competition due to wanting to be noticed
me too Zulu ppl in the workplace they want evryone to speak Zulu even if a Sotho guy having a conversation with a Tswana guy in the presence of Zulu guy he will argue that they must speak Zulu.......WHY
Being proud versus thinking you are better is two different things... The problem is the "pride" of some gets muddled with a superiority complex for some reason. Teach y'all kids to be interested in other tribes, even those outside of Mzansi and the problems of tribalism gets solved somewhat. Have your kids learn other languages and be proud of the fact that they know 7 out of 11 official languages for example, have them try to communicate with others in their native languages. Today i played Pubg (an online tactical shooter) and these two zulu gents were looking for partners but their focus was on if I could speak zulu or not 😅 so i ended up playing with abo "My Friend" and i almost won the match 😂 did it matter who i played? No! Did it matter to the zulu gents? Yes. Teach them differently. Amen
Going home is normal especially in KwaZulu if you're working in Gauteng in Durban we usually say we going home or emakhaya where we were born, it in us
@@dumsanivilakazi3938 that good I was responding to a comment that say Penuel must stop saying they go back home when they are going to Limpopo, indeed they're few places u can call them home very few
Limpopo will continue to be a place which generates relative success for those who live there. The minority mentality that the tribalism in this country has given people from Limpopo will always be it’s greatest strength. This comes in the form of willingness to leave home and venture out, willingness to be open to other cultures, the willingness to be educated as well as the willingness to go home as often as possible if you do not live there any longer. All these things are strengths of ours up North. So people can carry on doing what they’re doing. We’re just fine.
As a xhosa who lived in limpopo for 12 years... All i can say is that pedis arent triabalistic at all they will retaliate if you come with those triabalistic rubbish ideologies and i have realised that zulus come to limpopo with these rubbish discriminations otherwise vha-venda, bapedi and xitsonga people are warm people
I am coloured and I agree with you 100%...I was so shocked when I went to limpopo..I had such a beautiful time with the people there...warm people..then I went back home to kzn..in the taxi..the first thing I hear is a Zulu discussing lesifebe secoloured that should not even sit next to or be around them....and remember I am paying in the taxi...I just thought..oh well..back to kzn with its racism. And tribalism...a pedi guy stood up for me and embarrassed them with common sense
@@sibongakonkedube869i understand you but think where differ... Is that my argument is not that tribalism amongst other tribes does not exsist but rather that it isnt as popular or as renowned as how zulu tribalism is... They say it openly with no filter which is disgusting
In Vhembe district, Tsonga people from Malamulele hate Venda people,there's alot of tribalism there. Where Venda people hire each other and develop Venda with the district budget.
I'm from Venda Pen and I dislike zulu. I came to Joburg years ago for school, and I was treated like an outsider by a group of Zulus, being call alk sorts of names. And since then I switched off from a Zulu language. Now I speak Venda and English all the way. But I try speaking other languages accept Zulu. And I built my confidence over that
penuel hates tribalism only when is rational, however, when in his basic emotional or evolutionary mode, he becomes more tribalistic and primitive.he also seems to be facing an identity crises, compounded by the fact that he does not know what what constitute south africa culturally, geographically and demographically.i always thought he is an intellectual, but I was wrong.And the interview was more disappointing cos he was full of stereotypes, preconceived ideas about groups of people at the same time acting clever, punching and soothing.
The Apartheid regime in South Africa 🇿🇦 was also a HUGE IMPACT in tribalism by creating bantustans/homelands dividing tribes.Sometimes you think 🤔 I am your BEST FRIEND 👥 since we are the same tribe whereas your BEST FRIEND 👥 could be from a tribe you have been seperated with,once the boundary is removed 🙌🏾 you will find each other.
My problem with Zimbabweans is that they are quick to use our courts to attack our government. Even their lawyers went to court for the right to practice here. Zimbabwe isn't our tenth province asseblief.
@@virimaichipere691 Mapungubwe was the first civilizations in southern Africa mutapa empire and great Zimbabwe came later after Mapungubwe 🤔 I've read that history in school my dear 😜
i think for some answers the interviwer should have blame the ingenuity people tend to have about politics cause from my prespective, if you have bad politics nothing can develop.
The most pompous tribalists are Zulus. Recently they have stolen the ANC's heritage name Umkhonto Wesizwe Party to sustain their Zulu tribalism. They chanted "hlangana Zulu" in the name of MKP exposing their deep rooted tribalism. More can be said about their xenophobic attitude. Empty pride at its best. We Ndebele tribe hid the late Zulu king His Majesty Zwelithini kaBhekuzulu. Zulus ought to have been very grateful than their tribalism. Truth be told!!!
ANC was founded by Zulus to begin with ANC is ours the movement included other tribes cause we let it ANC was founded by Zulus get that in ur head golo lenja
Panuel disappointed on this one. First of all Xenophobia is a western vocabulary and never existed in our culture and traditions. Sometimes when they say words cast a spell you better believe because most black people are under a serious spells: feminism, LGBTQ, misogynistic, assexual. The second thing is Panuel you are tribalistic yourself, whether voluntary or involuntarily, you have this notion that Zulu people own South Africa and everyone must be accommodated by Zulu, perhaps to the Nguni and minority but when it comes to Sothos nation, is something you don't want to touch. In a a sense I am tribalistic myself is because I had my own king and government and western enforced their system just to leave us with other ethnicity to be our leaders. It will never make sense to a Zulu, Sotho to abide to another.
@@FictionHubZA That is not my point and it is not about discrimination either. Before the western Pedi people had their kings and government, so did the zulu, xhosa etc. Now the western come over to form this one government and than during apartheid obviously when the whole structure was collapsing they were forced to place a black man, Nelson Mandela. During that time everyone was fighting for the same course so you won't notice culture and traditions, South Africa was a one big family. Fast forward you have the current ANC structure, I had Venda friends supporting Cyril through his scandals, same with Zulu ....you see we no longer have one objective, now certain people get their memory back like wait a minute how did I let a Zulu, a Venda, a Pedi rule over me in the first place. If the objective is not the same politics and government is about ethnicity, colour, culture and black people mostly are delusional if they think in politics they are equal to anyone because it has always and will always be about our skin in politics, whether we agree or we don't.
Amongst some coloureds you have your platteland tribes and your city tribes. The plattelànd tribes were seen as being poorer. So the family resources were mostly channeled that way. And they would then support each other in every way. It happens mostly in secret.
@@edwardsmall8865 Truth is black people have their own systems and never need the confusion the western system came with. We were doing fine and developing beautiful. Their was no such thing as unemployment or poverty, land was for everyone to cultivate, poverty is a standard measure western use to say they better than everyone. The confusion is so immense the other day I watch Panuel marveling over Jacob Zuma and Siya , saying things like all we wanted was to be accepted by western. Panuel will be great if he figure out the identity crisis his in, why would you want to be accepted by your oppressors ?? worse you even cried ??? Flabbergasting is the word.
What a lousy content ever from Penuel, I'm a Zulu by nationality. My firstborn sister has been married to a Venda man for more than 37 years They have children, I'm an uncle to those kids. I watch Movhango everyday, I speak and write Tshivenda, this is my family my blood mi niece's. I speak Xitsonga because I have lots of friends in Tshiawelo, I even date a Tsonga girl not a Shangani. Again Limpopo is not a country but a province in South Africa. Stop perpetrating tribalism, is a chronic disease like cancer. For it to get to an end it should start with you .
Sir, respectfully, you are the exception and not the rule. Unfortunately, a lot of Zulu people and Xhosa people do not want to understand nor respect Limpopo tribes as legitimate South Africans. I speak from my own first-hand experience. Imaging being told youre a foreigner because you come from Limpopo? Imagine being called iShangane when we've told you guys time and time again that the word is derogatory and we want to be referred to by our correct name, being Vatsonga? And you know what, please open your eyes and let us the victims lead the conversation. We are telling you that some of your brothers are hurting us and you refuse to acknowledge it.
@@thatothobejane4674Everyone has a right to an opinion. You can't decide who should lead a conversation when it affects all of us. The Zulu brother is well within his right to share his own personal experience regarding the matter and I agree with him.
Ayibo...Guys please dont cluster us as if we are not independent people who can think for ourselves. I am also Zulu, I am not married and have no kids but my younger brother is married to a Tswana women and she is family. What I see a lot is people who accuse others of tribalism are usually projecting and they themselves are usually tribalistic.
Penuel why do you ask questions only to answer them yourself my bru? I think you shouldn't be lengthy in you line of questioning,but otherwise I love the show love the choice of guests keep it up brother
This is not true People we need to think of what we say We have never collectively fought against any foreign invasive nation If you are referring to xenophobia then you should be ashamed to even admire that as a good characteristic of our country
I'm curious, how do Namibian look like South Africans more than Zimbabweans. I've studied with both in Edinburgh,. Namibia doesn't have any nguni people whereas Zimbabwe does and Namibia doesn't. Only tribe Namibia has in common with SA are Tswana obviously excepting the Khoi
@@sanelemwelase I have already answered the question, Zimbabwe’s economy collapsed and many Zimbabweans educated and less educated migrated, some struggling. People naturally want to associate with a winning team. I used to visit SA in the 80’s & 90’s and my parents used to have Venda family friends, we used to visit each other. Back then Vendas used to proudly call themselves Shonas. Zulus used to connect well with people from Bulawayo. Zimbabweans were regarded highly in those days, but now the economy is bad. Even the Bible mentions that a poor person has no friends.
😂it because Zimbabweans are poor Lol there's no difference between Zimbabweans and Namibian (atleast I can't see it). I also don't know the the south african look because we don't even look like each other. Like they can be yellow Bones, brown skin, dark skin and very blackish completion in just one tribe. Sometimes darker skinned SAns are called foreign because they "don't look south african". Kinda sad because those things are deeply rooted in self hate but we're not ready to address it as a country
There is no trabilism here you are manufacturing it for sake of content If there was show me the graves,show me the displaced people What i hve seen in this country are United people in their diversity Umuzi wezinsizwa displayed who we really are derogatory talk will always be there we all some things about each ather that will not stop You guys don't forget that we are married to each ather as well
Should we differenciate between being Poor & Underdevelopment? I get Rural provinces like EC, Limpopo being called underdeveloped them being called poor is not necesarily true.
100%i am from Dundee in ZN I never knew how to tell who is from where till I came to Joburg where I come from sinobuntu asicwasi we respect anyone I wonder why everyone thinks We are bad people..I for 1 think Pedis are the most tribalistic people they even hate their neighbors Vendas and Shangaan and hate their neighbors across limpompo river...so we amaZulu are the most respectful and welcoming people
@@gxobinjasambemntungwa9694 Yes I still have Zulu friends who can't forget me we still talk although I left 25 years ago After 4 Presidents.Mina Angisakuazi ukukhuluma isiZulu manje.
@@gxobinjasambemntungwa9694 I remember first time I was waiting for a Bus Mungeni road I couldn't know Zulu and eThekwine. Buses were passing me one conductor stood by the door asking me where I was going I said From Effingham. ??? is where are u going oh Durban he said gibela ethekwine is Durban I still laugh at myself till today.
@@ruthndala5778 😂😂🤝 atleast you have a good story to tell and memories that's what Ubuntu is all about and am so glad that you also felt at home...and you also understand that amaZulu ain't bad as everyone paint us to be..thank you
It isn’t necessarily a bad thing. One should take pride in who they are. Look further north on the African continent and you’ll see we are fine. At no point do our tribal affiliations escalate to civil violence, so please stop fuelling a fire YOU GUYS ARE STARTING. Look at the amount of cross tribal marriages we have in the country! Its become so usual for a Zulu to wed a Sotho, Tswana to wed a Venda. A lot of people who accuse others of being tribalistic are sometimes tribalistic themselves and they are merely projecting. Secondly with Botswana & Lesotho, even Eswatini. Its not because “they look South African” its because we have a shared culture, that is tighter than say with the Shona people (no im not justifying xenophobia). Penuel lives on a cloud in the sky
I am not a fan of discussing xenophobia, but on behalf of the people of Limpopo, I'd like to explain something. Education plays a crucial role in driving the economy forward. Many small businesses in the provinces are owned by black individuals, particularly those from Limpopo. Running a company and understanding its requirements documents is not easy, especially when it comes to securing funding. After making money, we return home and invest in our community. We have no intention of leaving Limpopo as it is more like our preferred tourist destination. Limpopo gives peace. We use infrastructures that other provinces has to make money
What is wrong with tribes wanting to preserve there history and culture. We must fight the Woke effort tp establish a single grey world population with everything we can muster.
Although these conversations are necessary and sometimes needed. Penuel's framing of it is very incendiary and may be very much tainted by his own personal views on South Africans in general... I respect the gentlemen's answers though, there is a lot of level headedness in them. That said, there are many truths that were said here in terms of differences in education, perspectives of our homelands as different groups and the level of investment that we the custodians of these ancestral lands are pouring into them... I speak as a guilt party, as a child who's parents/forefathers are from the Eastern Cape, based in "Gauteng", but I have no investments nor interests in growing/developing things in that province...
I don't agree with Penuel. Im Zulu who grew up in Eswatini. I was called umzundane the whole 10 years I was there. I then moved to Eastern Cape when even young boys than me used to call me umfana. I never regarded the majority of both the Swazi and Xhosa people as trialists. Yes! There were those individuals that made my stay with them uncomfortable but the majority accepted me. To say the majority are tribalistic and South Africans in general are Xenophobic is an outright lie. Zulu's are passionate people, passionate about their culture and heritage. You get a very small minority that may be extreme. Same as South Africans in general, we are not Xenophobic. Please promote your show with truth, not lies.
Tribalism plus it's other toxic twin, the Abrahamic triad of religions are the bane of AfriKA. Why are we called Bapedi, Batswana, amaZulu, amaXhosa, Batsonga,etc? Who did we call ourselves when we arrived at this region of AfriKA? When did we ditch titles such as AbaNgoni/Bakone? Or further back AbaNtu/Batho? Or even much further BakaLanga/BakhaLanga/BakaRanga/BakgaLaka Or simply "Children of the Star, called the SUN 🌞 "? And All Afrikans have a very special relationship with Letšatši!/Langa/Ranga, Ra, Rra, Rara. Tribalism has no positive role. Period!!! Ubaba Rolihlahla Mandela said aMaAfriKA wonkana are ONE People!!!❤🎉
The Venda and Xhitsonga people share the same lineage, culture and history as the Shona of Zimbabwe and Malawians. That's not to say they are not South African( history is very important). Pedi people are Sotho historically in the same way the Ndebele of Zimbabwe and Limpopo come from present day KZN. This is sometimes at the core of Malemas message which we South Africans consciously ignore. Panuel speaks about people from other provinces as though Joburg is owned by a specific tribe or racial group (very elementary in your thinking). He speaks about back home ( where is back home because Gauteng is unlike any other province in terms of tribal/racial relation and origin. The two biggest tribes in this country are the Zuluz and the Xhosaz but neither of them should claim some hegemonic ownership over the country on account of their numbers. Colonialism and apartheid really abused our thinking and this thinking was even transferred to kids who went to model C schools.
Xhosas are one of the smallest group in the country,most of the so called Xhosa's are actually not. The Mfengus, Thembus, aBambo (Xesibe,Mpondomses & Mpondos), Sothos including Hlubis. Xhosa's are most of the group of AmaGcaleka, amaRharhabe including the Khoisan group AmaQunukhwebe( amaLawu). Just research further!
Joburg is our big City it belongs to all South African people. Zulus are actually indigenous of South Africa, like it or not. Khoisan people originally came from Asia, sometimes I get so flabbergasted that are people ignorant or just don't wanna know the facts when it comes to this subject, when Ramaphosa came into power he brainwashed people and twisted things. Khoisan (Bushmen) are not indigenous of Africa there is so much hatred towards the Zulu nation and it isn't fair. Zulu folks are very humble they have dignity and respect. There you have it.
The Shonas are predominantly East African, their language is similar to KiRwanda spoken in Rwanda, languages spoken in Kenya, Uganda etc. Even their history points them originating from East / Horn of Africa. Shonas can easily assimilate in any East African people than any SA to be honest.
This video has a misleading title. We need to have real talk about tribalism in SA. No tribe is perfect but Zulu tribalism is going to cause a lot of problems in SA if it goes unchecked. We need to have a real conversation about that. 3 Years ago Zulus nearly burned down the whole country in defense of a spineless rapist thief for no other reason but tribe. Ramaphosa was blamed for that by the very people who burned their own province down. In fact, someone I know is besties with Ngizwe Mchunu the instigator of the whole mess, she had her own brothers and cousins burning down trucks and malls and yet she fixed her mouth to say the whole mess was Ramaphosa’s fault. Zuma should never be put in jail for breaking the law because he’s an old man. HOW? The fact that we’ve all moved on and are pretending that that kind of behaviour isn’t a symptom of a much bigger problem is in itself troubling. I once pointed out to Zulus that it’s tribalistic to support someone devoid of morals and a conscience simply on the grounds of tribe, they responded that I was tribalistic for pointing out their tribalism. If this is left to fester SA will end up divided like Sudan, we gonna need to put a border between KZN and SA then they can elect as many lawless criminals as they want in their own republic. A whole nation cannot be held hostage by 1 tribe.
😂😂😂 I always find these topics lazy to me, let's take this home with siblings, two brothers once they have wives division automatically has been created,and that's how life works,we are bantu congo they say,so we will have tension that's how Africa survive this long through differences,my father always say nohlukaniswa abafazi.that shows that divisions will always be there and we will survive,we should be careful of political strategies,we should not bring life to them,politics is the problem in our country.
Tribalism is a white concept. I love being Xhosa but I appreciate the fact that there are people who love being Zulu and so on. White people made the term tribalism to sound like it's bad but it doesn't have to be. And as you say, the POLITICAL strategy is devide and conquer but that's their issue, not ours. Sigrand thina.
@@ChrisMaifo-fd5lt what do you mean, came from where. AmaZulu originated from South Africa they did not come from anywhere else. Khoisan (Bushmen) are not originally African they came from Asia. The research is changed to suit their narrative agenda. Is all blatant lies, we also learned in school how the Khoisan people came to South Africa. See the new generation of South Africa has been totally brainwashed from comprehending the truth, now, when people say Khoisan are Indigenous of South Africa, we just 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
We call for unity amongst black people and the first sign of uniting it is pointed out as Tribalism - which tribe do we want to unite first?, so its not labeled tribalism.
Let me tell u the most tribes dat are tribalist, Pedi's & Zulu's. Xhosa's are only tribalist amongst themselves on their owm clans & families perpetuating division from their own families between the reach & the poor
Me as Zulu person I just don’t care! Y’all come here and try by all means to put down our tribe as if all Zulus are bad yall don’t even get along with your own families but the focus is on Zulus everyone who wants attention now knows they must mention us ! Leave us alone cause it won’t be us that deal with yall but our ancestors and I stand on that
I think tribalism is waaay worse than racism cause its a fact tha we can't run away from that when u put a Black person and a white person everyone who is realistic can see the difference in many ways and that can lead to them being delusional and thinking they are superior than us but experiencing hate from someone that looks exactly like u cuts so so so so deep.
We have to fight racism and colonisation now you are here perpetuating tribalism and yet you didn't mention all the south african tribes ... You have stated no facts ... This video is doing more damage than good . Segregation needs to stop at all levels. Can we not just get along as people of african origin and fight against the bigger problems in our country? Are we not tired of this. Are you not tired of this Pen ?
You must be as ignorant as it gets. He merely highlighted a fact that involves collective behavior. Also, racism isn't a big problem because those who cease opportunities can succeed in spite of it.
Zim was impoverished by its own selfish, authoritative and incapable leaders. They should stop blaming the outside world and tackle their problems head-on. And that won't happen until they stay in their own country and deal with their problems. Even Malema said that.
Pen it's a great show but please with such difficult questions you should find someone who is able to articulate and outpore knowledge properly. The guy you interviewing sound bitter sir. Maybe you need to interview someone not Zulu and not Venda or Tsonga
I disagree....There's a huge tribalism in Zimbabwe. Shona people do not get along with Ndebele's. Shona's killed a lot of Ndebeles in the 80s. Currently Ndebeles are not offered job opportunities in Zimbabwe just because they are Ndebeles. There's this false narrative that Zulu's are tribalist. Just because Zulu's are proud of their culture and were able to uphold it for all these years does not mean they are tribalist. We have never had tribal wars here in South Africa. Political parties are pushing this agenda...and we must change the political system to prevent such things from happening.
I hold a different view to this tribalism thing...before we even define what tribalism is, we must remember that, as much as we are all Africans, we are from different nations (branches of the same family), lets acknowledge the fact that, just 3-4 generations back-1800's going back there was never a so called (South Africa ) we used to live according to nations Xhosa, Zulu, Vhenda etc. People are just being themselves really, what is so tribal about being a proud Zulu or a proud Vhenda? This nationalism( South African) seems to be not working to our advantage as a diverse people in terms of cultural belief systems, language, traditions ect. Now because we are all South Africans we now celebrate ceremonies such as Christmas, Easters of which our forefathers knkw nothing of so iwishi wishi
We are all descendants of the Nguni tribe 😊😊at the beginning we all spoke one language which is Bantu language that created other languages such as pedi, Xhosa, Ndebele, Tsonga, Zulu and ect during the era of emperor Shaka Zulu the majority of Nguni people spoke Zulu language and the emperor started to unifying them first to form the Zulu Kingdom. Then he started to invade the other neighbouring tribes to form one of the greatest empire the world has ever seen 💯💯💯 the Zulu Empire
As black people I think it is time now we stop this attitude of inclusiveness. We don't wannna stand on and for what truly defines you as that particular black person. And go around saying other people are tribal, that's nonsense. You guys want to be appreciated by everyone nd everywhere you go which is why we also have those black people who seeks inclusiveness even in white people "just like you Pen" nd when it doesn't happen or you don't feel welcome, you start pulling up words of tribalism, racism etc. And funny enough because today in. South Africa we have these so much problems that could be traced back to the abundance welcoming of people of different kinds.
The Pen, great engagement right there. I would like to comment on the Zim issue. Your guest is from Limpopo. He has surely never been to Zim. Hmmm, maybe in your reporting you may want to go to rural Zimbabwe. With no support whatsoever from the government, go and check their places. I guarantee some Limpopo homes have nothing on those guys homes. The other problem, repression is real in Zim. Having a government like the ANC, people may cry, but they must live in zim for a week to understand the situation there. Its easy to build in Limpopo. The roads and electricity are right around the corner. That means industries. Hardwares are around the corner. Supermarkets for food. But a guy building in Zim, he must travel far to get just to get a bag of cement! The challenges are enormous.But look at what they have done. I was in the SANDF and am well traveled in SA. I can tell you that the EC and KZN, they have not built like those Zim guys from a place called Plumtree and Kezi that i have been to. So, I guess the conversation would have been more holistic with another guest from Zim. You represent KZN there, that dude represents Limpopo, but I have to give it to you... great topic
This Go Back Home regime lol needs a halftime, because every tribe resides far apart from SA Zulus included, their history goes back from Kenya so technically we are all in the same boat of this Issue
My brother shangaan has more similar words with isizulu reason being they are ngunis shangaan doesn't relate to sesotho the thing is amazulu think they are superior than other mostly mina engibuya Kubo bangizonda ..but That doesn't change that my roots are of a nguni ..shangaan but stop discriminating other people we are human beings not animals
The thing bro is, without saying a thing, we are all good. However, once u speak, it's a problem. We were tout to be different by foreigners. We hate eish others for the province we come from, and who brought those boarders to us? To fix it, remove boarders and let the kids grow together.
What is this discussion attempting to uncover or disprove? Penuel this is lazy and has elements of being divisive if you’re not sure or have not done the proper research rather chill.
The zulu people who dont acknowledge tribalism coming ng from most of them are like racists who say they dont actually see colour,there is COLOUR and there definitely is TRIBALISM in South Africa
True, I thank God to be born in Tshwane Pretoria, Mix communities are the best, Birth place of Deep House, Amapiano and Baccadi. Rabolela, Siyalukhuma, Rabolabola ect
Tribalism is done by who, Zulus?
@@OmniparkAnovahealth Yeah too much.
@@Tshepo10111 Then stay in your mix community since it's the 'best', and acknowledge that tribalism exists everywhere you fool
This statement is not true at all
How can a black man say another black man is different from other blacks. No tribe is superior than the other we are one regardless of geographic locations.
Brother we look different it a fact
@@sphesihledelani6767 Since we look different as you say. So who has the right to be the judge on segregating people based on their looks?
Tribalism is the African racism
I think it's his observation.
He is burying to stay the outstanding and there is nothing wrong and we are all black at the end of thevday
I'm not from Limpopo, but people from Limpopo province are not poor, Limpopo has got mines not just fruits. It is just people from Limpopo are not noisy. I'm from Free State staying in Limpopo. We were told by media that Limpopo is, surprisingly Limpopo has the lowest unemployment rate in South Africa, because there vast of opportunities in mining, energy sector, game farming and fruits and vegetables farming.
Penuel, people from Limpopo are South Africans, stop this going back home narrative it very tribalistic.
I’m from Limpopo’s, currently residing in Gauteng and in full support of what Penuel is saying. Especially when he mentions building, not only houses but industries also back home. There is a market for most businesses in Limpopo (and other provinces of course) and if we took home the resources, we wouldn’t need to be in Gauteng as we do now
You've completely lost the whole point. It's not about who is South African and who isn't. Afro phobia - what they term Xenophobia here doesn't see nationality.
@marumotsesane7313 indeed
Historically the Sotho-Tswana group has the most land in Southern Africa. Our land starts from Botswana to NC LIM NW FS EC. GP hence the word Gauteng is our historically our land but we are tolerant and we love others. The Zulu became a big tribe through the spear and Difaqane. Generally your argument is very weak and it comes from bias. I don’t think you know the history of this country and you don’t know yourself. What do you mean that the Sotho people look South African ? Who is South African? The original inhabitants of this land are the Khoisan hence the clicks in the Sotho Zulu Xhosa language is Khoisan. We got land through intermarriage with the Khoisan hence our mid brown colour. Originally bantu are dark in skin colour. You need to read your history. And when uou are better informed you will understand that South Africa is a white country it’s a result of colonialism. So the notion that some tribes are South African is flawed. If anything, the Sotho Tswana should be making a noise but we are tolerant people. You need to read and study history
That's very bizarre. Who are you fooling, You're making yourself a laughing stock. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@@Nellytheunique Laugh all you want. its in books and facts, laugh and laugh and laugh, it wont change the facts. Laugh to the moon and back if it makes you feel better and it makes you feel as though the truth is not the truth. laugh till you cant laugh no more
@@mck5549 👍🏼
Why would the Sotho Tswana people make noise when they have their own counties...Lesotho and Botswana?
@@sanelemwelase there is a rambling message about Sotho, Tsawna blah blah blah. Joburg is their historical land, like seriously, dah. Make it make sense Amazulu, Xhosa only have one country South Africa Izwe labokhokho nabobabamkhulu. Therefore Joburg is our big City. That's clear and straightforward at least.
Tribalism stems from ignorance
It's not just ignorance, it's devil's hate. Tribalism is not different from racism.
It not ignorance tribalism is natural deep down everybody supports his own! If there is a boxing match of two people I do not know! And I hear that one guy is from my village and the other is from another village obviously I will support the one from my village! And almost every other person will do that!
@@sithembisophewa9380that's not tribalism my G
I beg to differ. I think some people are just tribalist because they are the dominants and therefore feel superior to other tribes in the same way racism works. Then there's tribalism that comes from being opressed by the people mentioned. We see it in Zimbabwe with the matshona and in South Africa with the Zulu. Being a Zulu tribalist and being a Tswana tribalist for example are almost certainly not on the same level of tribalism and the latter mat not be based on ignorance where as the former is.
@@sithembisophewa9380your example is a description of pride not tribalism. Please look up the definition.
Xhosas are very inclusive , friendly,happy people
Thina we love everyone
A Xhosa gent once told me it's shameful to be Tsonga
That's not true, I know someone who had to leave his job in PE because of the bad treatment from Xhosa folks. He was from KZN
I disagree hey
Not true
You struck a nerve. People avoid difficult conversations and this one is the mother of all difficult conversations.
It is an easy topic for us South Africans, however we are also dismissed and told we are just xenophobic.
Let's get 1 thing straight. Gauteng doesnt historically belong to a certain specific tribe. If anything the pedi king ruled until the vaal river but that's irrelevant as Gauteng was developed by the discovery of gold not Penuels tribe
A lot of Xenophobia , we supposed to work together, if we Unite we will be an unstoppable force
I hear you where I am now is many countries but they only talk Africa they don't mention country and we are s'munye one
If you don't know how racism feels like, zulu tribalism will give you a glimpse on what racism is
Tribilsm is not a Zulu thing
Rubbish.Other Ethnic groups complain about the ethnic tribalism they get in the north west.People are very tribalistic towards Zulu's xhosa's.In limpopo pedi's are tribalistic tiwards vendas and Tsongas and feel it back whrn they come to Gauteng.Just like venda and Tsonga people are tribalistic in their areas and since there are no opportunities in their areas are forced to moved to other areas and kearn those peoples languages because their languages are very distinct and hard to understand compared to other languages in the diaspira and their areas are not that developed comoared to other areàs.Only a portion of people will be employed but the private sector fills the gap for unemployment.And other ethnic group s are forced to moved to more 8ndustrial provinces like Gauteng ,Kwazulu Natal and the western cape
There is a misconception that the Eastern Cape is poor, to this guy it's not the first time I heard him saying that the education part also EC has generational scholars we put priority on education and ask the old generation, how can a province with the longest coastline be poor that's a lot of oil, with first big and beautiful province like EC be poor it's miss managed with car manufacturing some people are dumb.
Allow them to do that so we can build our province in peace .
Eastern Cape is the poorest...even in Matric results they usually last
Well, EC is indeed the poorest and most corrupt province.
Inzule are angry towards AmaXhosa , and they have spread that in other tribes
Maybe bacaphukela lento bengolukanga....if you watch this guy will show love and hate kuthi maXhosa. Because we're are superior just that we ain't recognising that....
Xhosa people are special brou!
Even this 'poor' narrative is there to put a stigma but we're cropping up 😅😅😂🎉🎉❤
@@Nawal_SA Stop fooling yourself. No one is angry at amampondo, yes all of u ngingamampondo, u are also far from being superior in any way, form or shape. You are just obsessed with Zulu. If Zulu people were angry at yall, then there would be no Xhosa people in Durban . I don't know what ukwaluka has to do with this coz that is your culture, not Zulu people's culture. What does cutting a foreskin have to do with EC being poor? Lastly, statistically, EC is the poorest...it doesn't come from Zulu people but from the country's GDP.
As a Zulu person I've travelled alot in Limpopo and stayed with people from there.What I've realized is that they dont like each other.Venda, Tsonga,Pedi etc.They call each other names. In Malamulele Tsongas hate the neighboring Venda people vice versa.They share Vhembe district and accuse the Venda people of tribalism in that they develop Venda communities only and give each other jobs.I can give a sermon about the tribalism in that province alone.
The truth in this statement,
I grew up in KZN and we lived with everyone, my neighbors were Sotho and Xhosa speaking people. I have never had any issues, nor hear about this hatred I have experienced in Jhb,
We are not so different bantu bakwethu
@@zamagcabashe7502 exactly my point in KZN my best friend was umXhosa,my neighbors are Sotho and we get along very well. Enyakatho,uMhlabuyalingana there's mixed Tsonga,Zulu & Swati people.Nquthu mixed Sotho and Zulu. Mzimkhulu mixed Xhosa and Zulu but everyone gets along,you'll never hear tribalism in KZN. The first time I ever experienced tribalism and saw Xenophobia was in Gauteng. Here people just hate you for being Zulu, they say you are stubborn for loving your culture and language. If we are talking I'll use my language nawe use yours as long as we understand each other.
@marumotsesane7313 when did we tell you that?....
@marumotsesane7313 You're observation is crap, Zulu tribe is one and the only tribe that's not divided. Your tribe alone is divided into many clans that hate each other. Bakwena,barolong,bakgatla, bafokeng,batlokwa 😂 etc.... the list is endless. That's why you can't work together for any common goal.
@@sibongakonkedube869 mxm UYAXOKA!!!
Every Xhosa person i know had a terrible experience... i have NEVER came across a Xhosa person who said they had a good experience in KZN.
Again why Zulu people? How can we have "A lot of tribalism" but come from one tribe? Stop this click bait this type sensationalism & jumping on the wagon is just pouring fuel to the fire. You Penuel will not take responsibility when a civil war breaks out. You use nonsense reasoning about Muvhango, if only Vhenda people watched it, how would it run so long? Kuyasho kuthi not much thought has put here not much research cause you not a journalist with integrity you just here to make a quick buck. Absolutely hate this & you are very wrong & stereotyping like this will not help the situation it will just incite rebellion & war, STOP IT.
I thought he was going to highlight that Muvhango was and is still written by Duma Ndlovu who is a Zulu, but he quotes what will support his hypocrisy.
I have only discovered recently a few years ago that Limpompo folks are actually South African as well I think it's because they are next to Zimb. Let's give them cuddles 😄
@Nellytheunique That’s an ignorant and pathetic thing to say. Some Limpopo groups are even more South African than others
Agh come on, I met a lot of tribalist Zulu guys, fortunately I understand RSA history and am able to challenge them as a Motswana, they hated me.. recently at Eswatini I met a person from durban and when I asked her about visiting NW, Limpopo, etc.. she said what are those, it was in jest but she actually meant it..
@@YT-xk5jl well my honesty hurt your feelings now, I was literally being honest and I wasn't trying to be mean or anything to my fellow South African
I don't think I will ever understand tribalism, like how do you think another black person is different from you just bcos they speak a different language, that's the main difference in this thing. I understand the little differences like varying cultures and stuff but to look down on another person kuba bethetha into eyohlukileyo nawe it's absurd
Are you also not being in denial.Being different is not a crime it should be embrace and appreciated and should not make u feel unaccepted
Come on we are really different human beings and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, let's be real
Mpumzi suphosisa. Xhosas discriminate on the basis of their overdeveloped egos and sense of superiority. Ndiyabazi ngabakuthi. How many non-Xhosa friends do you have?
I did say that we have varying cultures and beliefs, but that's just about it, the part I don't understand is looking down on one another. I am not even denying that it happens but I just don't get it why
@@nomagcisacawe3297 I have very few, but that's because I'm in the eastern cape for the most part of my life, we get along very well with the ones I know and we talk about these things and very much aware that there's a subtle animosity that exists along the tribal lines
Zulus are the most tribalistic people in SA, them and Afrikaners are one as the same group.
Wait, did you sell out to the British, I see what you did there....
I think there is need for better understanding in regards to the Zimbabwe situation. Zimbabwe is 44 years old, and with in that timeframe, education became a cornerstone of Zimbabwean society, particularly in the early Mugabe years. Unfortunately, the education system in the country failed to offer any viable solutions in response to Zimbabwe's economy that began to decline in the 90's. Zimbabwe's education system, though it has produced a highly learned people, has lacked a doctrine that is progessive and centred on national stability. The education on hand doesn’t offer any solutions for the nations problems. For example, its primary and secondary school curriculums are based off of the British education system. So the concepts of learning are eurocentric in nature, producing learners that are good in english, highly skilled and knowledgeable in global culture. But they can't put that knowledge into practice, because most of it is not applicable in a Zimbabwean context. Our problems are unique and need a tailored education.
And even so, our problems are superficial. Superficial in that they can be remedied with a dose of good leadership and administration. Zimbabwe is not a war torn country. Zimbabweans aren't suffering because the nation is poor, they are suffering because the nation is being mismanaged. This applies itself on civilian and governmental levels. In spite of the tough economic situation, there are still great opportunities for Zimbabweans to advance themselves, individually and collectively, through the ownership of land! But our 'education' remains a stumbling block and it must be said that the so called Zimbawean upper and middle class are at fault here. Because it is they that claim to have the most knowledge, but chose to function with a bourgeoisie mentality.
Its only know that they are begining to see the value in land onwership vs having a good job and living in the suburbs with white people. They are farming, mining, building schools, universities and investing in toursim. And the government, in spite of its shortcomings, is introducing a new curriculum. One that is based on the doctrine of ownership and entrepreneurship.
The Xhosa people of Southern Africa are the only ethnic group in Africa to fight European imperialists the longest. The Xhosa people fought the British and the Boers for 100 years (1789 - 1889). But in South African society the effort that was put by the Xhosa nation to defend Southern Africa for 100 years against White racism and imperialism is never acknowledged.
Before the arrival of Europeans, I don’t think African tribes were living in harmony, we had our own tribal wars and we were forced to come together due to having a common enemy which were White people probably because we realised they were too powerful. I doubt we even ever interacted with each other, especially the interaction between the Basothos and Ngunis. And that’s why today I think the tribalism between Ngunis and Basothos is high. I’m Pedi and when I travel to areas dominated by Batswana or Sothos I never get concerned of anything but the moment I go to areas dominated by Ngunis whom are not familiar with me I do get worried a bit.
While I am equally against differentiating based on skin color and culture, it would be very informative and possibly important to obtain the views and insights of the Department of Traditional Affairs (DTA). The DTA is a department of the South African government responsible for overseeing the traditional leadership of South Africa's indigenous communities.
For example, how do traditional leaders envision the future of South Africa, and what role do they see South Africa and its youth playing in global affairs and the local and global economy?
I'm a Coloured guy so I picked up this tension in the workplace between Venda guys and Zulus and I must say I never understood it, thanks for having this convo
In which City?
@@ThapeloHorusLetaoana0508 It was an industrial area near Boksburg Gauteng I was working at Pepcore
People from limpopo used to feel left out pre 94.And the province was the most backward and under privileged so that anc policy was to equalize previously disadvantaged areas.I think Pedi's used to.pick on Vendas and Tsongas and everyone in South Africa used to Pick on Limpopians prior the anc enabling them to have equal opportunity.Remember all the gdp of South afri a goes to national coffers but the anc will put more attention o. A certain areas.Most people from. Limpop where not really exposed to what's happening in South affrica and I think growing up their dream is to go to Joburg to compete with zulus hence the obsession with zulus remember pre 94 the zulus were the it tribe TV education politics.I mean they started the anc even now they are everywhere the majority look at alit of province most of thebgraduates the highest matric passing in numbers I think k the percentage score so the limpopians have some animosity and have nothing much to do and the is more information on Zulu people's they come to joburg with anger and ignorance.Uts just an ego thing.And most venda used to be quite and tsonga and pedi people I think maybe the expulsion of male ma from. The anc and thebtribalistic utterances of malema towards zulus and the king while the are so many kings and Zulu areas are more developed I think it's more denial than envy.And most of the people in limpop share relations with mozambiqueans and Zimbabwe and Malawian.Mist of them can't differentiate between Xhosa and Zulu people.Also the perpetrator fuelling g black on black discrimination is white monopoly capital.But the issue is that will create tribalistic segregation where the majority will start oppressing the minority because of this situation.Pre 94 tswana people used to look down on pedi people as well as tsonga and venda people because tswana people used to be more privilege than limpopians.because of their area mining but remember it's the anc wich decides where the gdp will develop.If each province where to develop on their own gdp it will create some sort of superiority Co.plex the richest province is Gauteng then comes more developed and industrial provinces including the western cape.But infrastructure is collapsing in previously developed areas because the money they generate are not being used to Mai Tai. Those areas.So the current state of South it's implementing the wrong policies in South africa
It's just competition and ignorance from people who used to be disadvantaged.But you font see them fighting with whites.If we were to have tribalistic politics the Zulu would come of top the Xhosa. BBut I don't get people have tribal uttrances towards zuku people and still wanting their.The Zulu vote us the majority in the country. I just think it's competition due to wanting to be noticed
me too Zulu ppl in the workplace they want evryone to speak Zulu even if a Sotho guy having a conversation with a Tswana guy in the presence of Zulu guy he will argue that they must speak Zulu.......WHY
Being proud versus thinking you are better is two different things... The problem is the "pride" of some gets muddled with a superiority complex for some reason. Teach y'all kids to be interested in other tribes, even those outside of Mzansi and the problems of tribalism gets solved somewhat. Have your kids learn other languages and be proud of the fact that they know 7 out of 11 official languages for example, have them try to communicate with others in their native languages. Today i played Pubg (an online tactical shooter) and these two zulu gents were looking for partners but their focus was on if I could speak zulu or not 😅 so i ended up playing with abo "My Friend" and i almost won the match 😂 did it matter who i played? No! Did it matter to the zulu gents? Yes. Teach them differently. Amen
Going home is normal especially in KwaZulu if you're working in Gauteng in Durban we usually say we going home or emakhaya where we were born, it in us
it is everyone because even Pedis bare rea hae or rea mahaeng not only Zulus
@@dumsanivilakazi3938 that good I was responding to a comment that say Penuel must stop saying they go back home when they are going to Limpopo, indeed they're few places u can call them home very few
@@dumsanivilakazi3938nobody said it's only us
This is exactly why I refuse to speak Isizulu, I stick to my language through and through.
Same here
Oh well.
@@tshepotrevor4503 🤝
Limpopo will continue to be a place which generates relative success for those who live there. The minority mentality that the tribalism in this country has given people from Limpopo will always be it’s greatest strength. This comes in the form of willingness to leave home and venture out, willingness to be open to other cultures, the willingness to be educated as well as the willingness to go home as often as possible if you do not live there any longer. All these things are strengths of ours up North. So people can carry on doing what they’re doing. We’re just fine.
Tribalism in JHB comes in jokes like Xhosa women like money...And that hate is because xhosa women are so beautiful it threatens others.
As a xhosa who lived in limpopo for 12 years... All i can say is that pedis arent triabalistic at all they will retaliate if you come with those triabalistic rubbish ideologies and i have realised that zulus come to limpopo with these rubbish discriminations otherwise vha-venda, bapedi and xitsonga people are warm people
I am coloured and I agree with you 100%...I was so shocked when I went to limpopo..I had such a beautiful time with the people there...warm people..then I went back home to kzn..in the taxi..the first thing I hear is a Zulu discussing lesifebe secoloured that should not even sit next to or be around them....and remember I am paying in the taxi...I just thought..oh well..back to kzn with its racism. And tribalism...a pedi guy stood up for me and embarrassed them with common sense
Go to Malamulele where Vendas and Tsongas hate each other in Vhembe district.
@@sibongakonkedube869 but do you hear about it outside of malamulele... Do you hear about their conflict in gauteng???
@@Akha141I've been in Gauteng for 10 years now I experience it all the time. I was just making a single example out of many.
@@sibongakonkedube869i understand you but think where differ... Is that my argument is not that tribalism amongst other tribes does not exsist but rather that it isnt as popular or as renowned as how zulu tribalism is... They say it openly with no filter which is disgusting
I don't understand why as tsonga we are hated, us and Vendas are the most multilingual tribe in SA
You are hated because you are progressive and sensible....there is alot of hate in jealousy...
In Vhembe district, Tsonga people from Malamulele hate Venda people,there's alot of tribalism there. Where Venda people hire each other and develop Venda with the district budget.
I'm from Venda Pen and I dislike zulu. I came to Joburg years ago for school, and I was treated like an outsider by a group of Zulus, being call alk sorts of names. And since then I switched off from a Zulu language. Now I speak Venda and English all the way. But I try speaking other languages accept Zulu. And I built my confidence over that
penuel hates tribalism only when is rational, however, when in his basic emotional or evolutionary mode, he becomes more tribalistic and primitive.he also seems to be facing an identity crises, compounded by the fact that he does not know what what constitute south africa culturally, geographically and demographically.i always thought he is an intellectual, but I was wrong.And the interview was more disappointing cos he was full of stereotypes, preconceived ideas about groups of people at the same time acting clever, punching and soothing.
What is Amavenda.....your out of line. It's Vha-Venda.
The Apartheid regime in South Africa 🇿🇦 was also a HUGE IMPACT in tribalism by creating bantustans/homelands dividing tribes.Sometimes you think 🤔 I am your BEST FRIEND 👥 since we are the same tribe whereas your BEST FRIEND 👥 could be from a tribe you have been seperated with,once the boundary is removed 🙌🏾 you will find each other.
My problem with Zimbabweans is that they are quick to use our courts to attack our government. Even their lawyers went to court for the right to practice here. Zimbabwe isn't our tenth province asseblief.
It is 🥱 stop spreading hate even Nigerians are our brothers this man is a tribalist and he uses his platform to spread hate
Have you forgotten the Mutapa Empire?
@@virimaichipere691 Mapungubwe 🤔
@@ChrisMaifo-fd5lt History my dear research our past about this empire
@@virimaichipere691 Mapungubwe was the first civilizations in southern Africa mutapa empire and great Zimbabwe came later after Mapungubwe 🤔 I've read that history in school my dear 😜
i think for some answers the interviwer should have blame the ingenuity people tend to have about politics cause from my prespective, if you have bad politics nothing can develop.
The most pompous tribalists are Zulus. Recently they have stolen the ANC's heritage name Umkhonto Wesizwe Party to sustain their Zulu tribalism. They chanted "hlangana Zulu" in the name of MKP exposing their deep rooted tribalism. More can be said about their xenophobic attitude. Empty pride at its best. We Ndebele tribe hid the late Zulu king His Majesty Zwelithini kaBhekuzulu. Zulus ought to have been very grateful than their tribalism. Truth be told!!!
Pedis are worse
ANC was founded by Zulus to begin with ANC is ours the movement included other tribes cause we let it ANC was founded by Zulus get that in ur head golo lenja
@@SbonisoZuma-pf3bt 😂🤣😂🤣😂 kuthi mubambe ngenduku mnje 😂😂🤣😂 ..
@@phiwokuhlekhuzwayo9871 baphapha nge ANC that was founded by Zulus to begin with
@@SbonisoZuma-pf3bt usangene lo sengimbonile 🤞🏾
This guy's nonsonso didn't fly with this particular guest. Thank you sir for being professional and not emotional.
Panuel disappointed on this one. First of all Xenophobia is a western vocabulary and never existed in our culture and traditions. Sometimes when they say words cast a spell you better believe because most black people are under a serious spells: feminism, LGBTQ, misogynistic, assexual.
The second thing is Panuel you are tribalistic yourself, whether voluntary or involuntarily, you have this notion that Zulu people own South Africa and everyone must be accommodated by Zulu, perhaps to the Nguni and minority but when it comes to Sothos nation, is something you don't want to touch. In a a sense I am tribalistic myself is because I had my own king and government and western enforced their system just to leave us with other ethnicity to be our leaders. It will never make sense to a Zulu, Sotho to abide to another.
I think that we should never discriminate against our own countrymen. Even if they are different. We are all equal.
@@FictionHubZA That is not my point and it is not about discrimination either. Before the western Pedi people had their kings and government, so did the zulu, xhosa etc. Now the western come over to form this one government and than during apartheid obviously when the whole structure was collapsing they were forced to place a black man, Nelson Mandela. During that time everyone was fighting for the same course so you won't notice culture and traditions, South Africa was a one big family. Fast forward you have the current ANC structure, I had Venda friends supporting Cyril through his scandals, same with Zulu ....you see we no longer have one objective, now certain people get their memory back like wait a minute how did I let a Zulu, a Venda, a Pedi rule over me in the first place.
If the objective is not the same politics and government is about ethnicity, colour, culture and black people mostly are delusional if they think in politics they are equal to anyone because it has always and will always be about our skin in politics, whether we agree or we don't.
Amongst some coloureds you have your platteland tribes and your city tribes. The plattelànd tribes were seen as being poorer. So the family resources were mostly channeled that way. And they would then support each other in every way. It happens mostly in secret.
@@edwardsmall8865 Truth is black people have their own systems and never need the confusion the western system came with. We were doing fine and developing beautiful. Their was no such thing as unemployment or poverty, land was for everyone to cultivate, poverty is a standard measure western use to say they better than everyone. The confusion is so immense the other day I watch Panuel marveling over Jacob Zuma and Siya , saying things like all we wanted was to be accepted by western. Panuel will be great if he figure out the identity crisis his in, why would you want to be accepted by your oppressors ?? worse you even cried ??? Flabbergasting is the word.
My South African folks let's come together, let's make our country great. I'm all about our country let's not bash one another.
What a lousy content ever from Penuel, I'm a Zulu by nationality. My firstborn sister has been married to a Venda man for more than 37 years They have children, I'm an uncle to those kids. I watch Movhango everyday, I speak and write Tshivenda, this is my family my blood mi niece's. I speak Xitsonga because I have lots of friends in Tshiawelo, I even date a Tsonga girl not a Shangani. Again Limpopo is not a country but a province in South Africa. Stop perpetrating tribalism, is a chronic disease like cancer. For it to get to an end it should start with you .
Thanks for being an exception. But that what you are, an exception.
Sir, respectfully, you are the exception and not the rule. Unfortunately, a lot of Zulu people and Xhosa people do not want to understand nor respect Limpopo tribes as legitimate South Africans. I speak from my own first-hand experience. Imaging being told youre a foreigner because you come from Limpopo? Imagine being called iShangane when we've told you guys time and time again that the word is derogatory and we want to be referred to by our correct name, being Vatsonga? And you know what, please open your eyes and let us the victims lead the conversation. We are telling you that some of your brothers are hurting us and you refuse to acknowledge it.
For it to end, starts with acknowledgement of its existence and what fuels it
@@thatothobejane4674Everyone has a right to an opinion. You can't decide who should lead a conversation when it affects all of us. The Zulu brother is well within his right to share his own personal experience regarding the matter and I agree with him.
Ayibo...Guys please dont cluster us as if we are not independent people who can think for ourselves. I am also Zulu, I am not married and have no kids but my younger brother is married to a Tswana women and she is family. What I see a lot is people who accuse others of tribalism are usually projecting and they themselves are usually tribalistic.
Why did you bring this guy, not an educative episode at all.
Penuel why do you ask questions only to answer them yourself my bru? I think you shouldn't be lengthy in you line of questioning,but otherwise I love the show love the choice of guests keep it up brother
Not intelligent bro penuel, they are educated. There is a difference.
I'm yet to experience tribalism, maybe it's because im Zulu, so maybe I'm oblivious to it
Maybe u haven't lived in Gauteng or other provinces except KZN...I'm assuming u from KZN.
@@sanelemwelase Yes I'm originally from KZN but I moved to Gauteng in Primary so I've been here for a while now, I'm currently 21 years old.
Wait until you start working,they'll hate you before you even open your mouth.
I noticed that as SOUTH AFRICANS we love and protect each other against anything that is foreign to us.
Yes,that is true
what is foreign
This is not true
People we need to think of what we say
We have never collectively fought against any foreign invasive nation
If you are referring to xenophobia then you should be ashamed to even admire that as a good characteristic of our country
That's what you think Gina there's a lot who don't think like you
@@dumsanivilakazi3938a swazi like you
I'm curious, how do Namibian look like South Africans more than Zimbabweans. I've studied with both in Edinburgh,. Namibia doesn't have any nguni people whereas Zimbabwe does and Namibia doesn't. Only tribe Namibia has in common with SA are Tswana obviously excepting the Khoi
Many Namibian tribes had to flee or die because they were hunted by the Dutch colony, they were originally from the Western Cape (not all tribes).
It’s about the economy, in the 99’s and 80’s when the economy of Zimbabwe was strong, loads of SA were much connected to Zimbabwe.
@@adams6798 I don't think u are answering what is being asked
@@sanelemwelase
I have already answered the question,
Zimbabwe’s economy collapsed and many Zimbabweans educated and less educated migrated, some struggling.
People naturally want to associate with a winning team.
I used to visit SA in the 80’s & 90’s and my parents used to have Venda family friends, we used to visit each other. Back then Vendas used to proudly call themselves Shonas. Zulus used to connect well with people from Bulawayo. Zimbabweans were regarded highly in those days, but now the economy is bad. Even the Bible mentions that a poor person has no friends.
😂it because Zimbabweans are poor Lol there's no difference between Zimbabweans and Namibian (atleast I can't see it). I also don't know the the south african look because we don't even look like each other. Like they can be yellow Bones, brown skin, dark skin and very blackish completion in just one tribe. Sometimes darker skinned SAns are called foreign because they "don't look south african". Kinda sad because those things are deeply rooted in self hate but we're not ready to address it as a country
There is no trabilism here you are manufacturing it for sake of content
If there was show me the graves,show me the displaced people
What i hve seen in this country are United people in their diversity
Umuzi wezinsizwa displayed who we really are derogatory talk will always be there we all some things about each ather that will not stop
You guys don't forget that we are married to each ather as well
Should we differenciate between being Poor & Underdevelopment? I get Rural provinces like EC, Limpopo being called underdeveloped them being called poor is not necesarily true.
I have always enjoyed your programmes this one has no substance .You stooped too low sir .Up the game .
You speaking for only yourself fam
Penuel kind of sounds ignorant in this clip.😏
He is 😂
I am from Angola 🇦🇴 lived in Zululand they never used to discriminate me until Johannesburg people came to teach Natal people about makwerekwere
100%i am from Dundee in ZN I never knew how to tell who is from where till I came to Joburg where I come from sinobuntu asicwasi we respect anyone I wonder why everyone thinks We are bad people..I for 1 think Pedis are the most tribalistic people they even hate their neighbors Vendas and Shangaan and hate their neighbors across limpompo river...so we amaZulu are the most respectful and welcoming people
@@gxobinjasambemntungwa9694 Yes I still have Zulu friends who can't forget me we still talk although I left 25 years ago After 4 Presidents.Mina Angisakuazi ukukhuluma isiZulu manje.
@@gxobinjasambemntungwa9694 I remember first time I was waiting for a Bus Mungeni road I couldn't know Zulu and eThekwine. Buses were passing me one conductor stood by the door asking me where I was going I said From Effingham. ??? is where are u going oh Durban he said gibela ethekwine is Durban I still laugh at myself till today.
@@ruthndala5778 😂😂🤝 atleast you have a good story to tell and memories that's what Ubuntu is all about and am so glad that you also felt at home...and you also understand that amaZulu ain't bad as everyone paint us to be..thank you
First time I ever experienced tribalism was when I came to Jhb. I was shocked that people who knew nothing about me hated me.Pedi people are worse
Zulus tend to forget Tsonga are related to the swati, mthethwa, ndwandwe and thonga. They need to do history
Is it tribalistic when white people vote for DA for e.g. Sithule syabuka. We move! Ay anisiyekeni habe!! 😄
It isn’t necessarily a bad thing. One should take pride in who they are. Look further north on the African continent and you’ll see we are fine. At no point do our tribal affiliations escalate to civil violence, so please stop fuelling a fire YOU GUYS ARE STARTING. Look at the amount of cross tribal marriages we have in the country! Its become so usual for a Zulu to wed a Sotho, Tswana to wed a Venda. A lot of people who accuse others of being tribalistic are sometimes tribalistic themselves and they are merely projecting.
Secondly with Botswana & Lesotho, even Eswatini. Its not because “they look South African” its because we have a shared culture, that is tighter than say with the Shona people (no im not justifying xenophobia). Penuel lives on a cloud in the sky
Penuel should consider moving to zibwabwe with malema
Yes ofcoz we are moving to Zimbabwe
I am not a fan of discussing xenophobia, but on behalf of the people of Limpopo, I'd like to explain something. Education plays a crucial role in driving the economy forward. Many small businesses in the provinces are owned by black individuals, particularly those from Limpopo. Running a company and understanding its requirements documents is not easy, especially when it comes to securing funding. After making money, we return home and invest in our community. We have no intention of leaving Limpopo as it is more like our preferred tourist destination. Limpopo gives peace. We use infrastructures that other provinces has to make money
Xenophobia isn't tribal idendity. Stop misleading people..
What is wrong with tribes wanting to preserve there history and culture. We must fight the Woke effort tp establish a single grey world population with everything we can muster.
Tribalism is a worldwide thing but they is safe tribalism and survier tribalism
Penuel, are English tribalistic? The government has failed to blend tribes and languages. What culture is being followed in SA?
Yes, the english are tribalistic, and if you had to deal with the irish, you would be too! 😂🤣😂🤣
first saying gauteng doesn't belongs to anybody is a lie some historians say tshwana speaking people were there during great trek not zulus
Although these conversations are necessary and sometimes needed. Penuel's framing of it is very incendiary and may be very much tainted by his own personal views on South Africans in general...
I respect the gentlemen's answers though, there is a lot of level headedness in them. That said, there are many truths that were said here in terms of differences in education, perspectives of our homelands as different groups and the level of investment that we the custodians of these ancestral lands are pouring into them... I speak as a guilt party, as a child who's parents/forefathers are from the Eastern Cape, based in "Gauteng", but I have no investments nor interests in growing/developing things in that province...
Muvhango is a Venda soapie, not Shangaan, yoh the ignorance is deep😢
I don't agree with Penuel. Im Zulu who grew up in Eswatini. I was called umzundane the whole 10 years I was there. I then moved to Eastern Cape when even young boys than me used to call me umfana. I never regarded the majority of both the Swazi and Xhosa people as trialists. Yes! There were those individuals that made my stay with them uncomfortable but the majority accepted me. To say the majority are tribalistic and South Africans in general are Xenophobic is an outright lie. Zulu's are passionate people, passionate about their culture and heritage. You get a very small minority that may be extreme. Same as South Africans in general, we are not Xenophobic. Please promote your show with truth, not lies.
Excellent, well said.
Umfana in Xhosa means young man, unlike in Zulu whereby it means boy.
Tribalism plus it's other toxic twin, the Abrahamic triad of religions are the bane of AfriKA.
Why are we called Bapedi, Batswana, amaZulu, amaXhosa, Batsonga,etc? Who did we call ourselves when we arrived at this region of AfriKA?
When did we ditch titles such as AbaNgoni/Bakone? Or further back AbaNtu/Batho? Or even much further BakaLanga/BakhaLanga/BakaRanga/BakgaLaka Or simply "Children of the Star, called the SUN 🌞 "? And All Afrikans have a very special relationship with Letšatši!/Langa/Ranga, Ra, Rra, Rara.
Tribalism has no positive role. Period!!!
Ubaba Rolihlahla Mandela said aMaAfriKA wonkana are ONE People!!!❤🎉
The hiv epidemic wiped out a lot of the educated class back in the 90s in Zimbabwe
Lies
The Venda and Xhitsonga people share the same lineage, culture and history as the Shona of Zimbabwe and Malawians. That's not to say they are not South African( history is very important). Pedi people are Sotho historically in the same way the Ndebele of Zimbabwe and Limpopo come from present day KZN. This is sometimes at the core of Malemas message which we South Africans consciously ignore. Panuel speaks about people from other provinces as though Joburg is owned by a specific tribe or racial group (very elementary in your thinking). He speaks about back home ( where is back home because Gauteng is unlike any other province in terms of tribal/racial relation and origin. The two biggest tribes in this country are the Zuluz and the Xhosaz but neither of them should claim some hegemonic ownership over the country on account of their numbers. Colonialism and apartheid really abused our thinking and this thinking was even transferred to kids who went to model C schools.
The Tsonga are closer to Zulu than Shona.
Xhosas are one of the smallest group in the country,most of the so called Xhosa's are actually not. The Mfengus, Thembus, aBambo (Xesibe,Mpondomses & Mpondos), Sothos including Hlubis. Xhosa's are most of the group of AmaGcaleka, amaRharhabe including the Khoisan group AmaQunukhwebe( amaLawu). Just research further!
Joburg is our big City it belongs to all South African people. Zulus are actually indigenous of South Africa, like it or not. Khoisan people originally came from Asia, sometimes I get so flabbergasted that are people ignorant or just don't wanna know the facts when it comes to this subject, when Ramaphosa came into power he brainwashed people and twisted things. Khoisan (Bushmen) are not indigenous of Africa there is so much hatred towards the Zulu nation and it isn't fair. Zulu folks are very humble they have dignity and respect. There you have it.
The Shonas are predominantly East African, their language is similar to KiRwanda spoken in Rwanda, languages spoken in Kenya, Uganda etc. Even their history points them originating from East / Horn of Africa.
Shonas can easily assimilate in any East African people than any SA to be honest.
Tsonga people are more closer to Zulu than Venda or Shona as u say.
This video has a misleading title. We need to have real talk about tribalism in SA. No tribe is perfect but Zulu tribalism is going to cause a lot of problems in SA if it goes unchecked. We need to have a real conversation about that. 3 Years ago Zulus nearly burned down the whole country in defense of a spineless rapist thief for no other reason but tribe. Ramaphosa was blamed for that by the very people who burned their own province down. In fact, someone I know is besties with Ngizwe Mchunu the instigator of the whole mess, she had her own brothers and cousins burning down trucks and malls and yet she fixed her mouth to say the whole mess was Ramaphosa’s fault. Zuma should never be put in jail for breaking the law because he’s an old man. HOW? The fact that we’ve all moved on and are pretending that that kind of behaviour isn’t a symptom of a much bigger problem is in itself troubling. I once pointed out to Zulus that it’s tribalistic to support someone devoid of morals and a conscience simply on the grounds of tribe, they responded that I was tribalistic for pointing out their tribalism. If this is left to fester SA will end up divided like Sudan, we gonna need to put a border between KZN and SA then they can elect as many lawless criminals as they want in their own republic. A whole nation cannot be held hostage by 1 tribe.
😂😂😂 I always find these topics lazy to me, let's take this home with siblings, two brothers once they have wives division automatically has been created,and that's how life works,we are bantu congo they say,so we will have tension that's how Africa survive this long through differences,my father always say nohlukaniswa abafazi.that shows that divisions will always be there and we will survive,we should be careful of political strategies,we should not bring life to them,politics is the problem in our country.
Tribalism is a white concept. I love being Xhosa but I appreciate the fact that there are people who love being Zulu and so on. White people made the term tribalism to sound like it's bad but it doesn't have to be. And as you say, the POLITICAL strategy is devide and conquer but that's their issue, not ours. Sigrand thina.
🤣🤣 and his guest is grasping at straws trying to answer these stupid questions..no Penuel must do better.
So, who is South African?
Very good question 👏
South Africa is rainbow 🌈 nation
Zulus, Xhosa etc
@@NellytheuniqueZulus came after the Khoisan were long here so Who is the foreigner 😜
@@ChrisMaifo-fd5lt what do you mean, came from where. AmaZulu originated from South Africa they did not come from anywhere else. Khoisan (Bushmen) are not originally African they came from Asia. The research is changed to suit their narrative agenda. Is all blatant lies, we also learned in school how the Khoisan people came to South Africa. See the new generation of South Africa has been totally brainwashed from comprehending the truth, now, when people say Khoisan are Indigenous of South Africa, we just 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
We call for unity amongst black people and the first sign of uniting it is pointed out as Tribalism - which tribe do we want to unite first?, so its not labeled tribalism.
True, zulus says we the animals
It seems there is a notion that uZulu are the tribalists kodwa futhi we are called iNzule and Amatebele. Like wtf😂
Let me tell u the most tribes dat are tribalist, Pedi's & Zulu's. Xhosa's are only tribalist amongst themselves on their owm clans & families perpetuating division from their own families between the reach & the poor
there is a lot of black billionaire's in Limpopo,that is not true my fat brother. Please name 10 of those.
Amanga lawo! That is not true, Ramaphosa won in LImpompo and no one calls that tribalism, this is simply a diarrhoea politics.
We voted for anc not ramaphosa we are not tribal in Limpopo . EEf is also Limpopo
Penuel uyangula Wena you need help
Me as Zulu person I just don’t care! Y’all come here and try by all means to put down our tribe as if all Zulus are bad yall don’t even get along with your own families but the focus is on Zulus everyone who wants attention now knows they must mention us ! Leave us alone cause it won’t be us that deal with yall but our ancestors and I stand on that
I think tribalism is waaay worse than racism cause its a fact tha we can't run away from that when u put a Black person and a white person everyone who is realistic can see the difference in many ways and that can lead to them being delusional and thinking they are superior than us but experiencing hate from someone that looks exactly like u cuts so so so so deep.
My dad is Zulu moms' Xhosa & truly believe all blacks in this country are equal and important
Correct
Best combination. Zulu male and Xhosa woman =bliss. They complement each other.
We have to fight racism and colonisation now you are here perpetuating tribalism and yet you didn't mention all the south african tribes ... You have stated no facts ... This video is doing more damage than good .
Segregation needs to stop at all levels. Can we not just get along as people of african origin and fight against the bigger problems in our country? Are we not tired of this. Are you not tired of this Pen ?
You must be as ignorant as it gets. He merely highlighted a fact that involves collective behavior. Also, racism isn't a big problem because those who cease opportunities can succeed in spite of it.
Forget South Africa it is the whole of Africa that has a problem with tribalism
Has Penuel never heard of economic sanctions by the US and Britain that impoverished Zimbabwe?
Zim was impoverished by its own selfish, authoritative and incapable leaders. They should stop blaming the outside world and tackle their problems head-on. And that won't happen until they stay in their own country and deal with their problems. Even Malema said that.
Iyo u are still waiting for west for your progress .u still gonna waiting for the next 400 .u need to find solution to resolved your issues
He knows he is just ignorant like he is to other fellow blacks in his country 😂
Tribalism is everywhere guys , yu can go to which ever Country or Province ,yu wil always experience it especially if yu can't speak their language
Sir how are South Africans xenophobic?
Pen it's a great show but please with such difficult questions you should find someone who is able to articulate and outpore knowledge properly. The guy you interviewing sound bitter sir. Maybe you need to interview someone not Zulu and not Venda or Tsonga
I disagree....There's a huge tribalism in Zimbabwe. Shona people do not get along with Ndebele's. Shona's killed a lot of Ndebeles in the 80s. Currently Ndebeles are not offered job opportunities in Zimbabwe just because they are Ndebeles. There's this false narrative that Zulu's are tribalist. Just because Zulu's are proud of their culture and were able to uphold it for all these years does not mean they are tribalist. We have never had tribal wars here in South Africa. Political parties are pushing this agenda...and we must change the political system to prevent such things from happening.
I hold a different view to this tribalism thing...before we even define what tribalism is, we must remember that, as much as we are all Africans, we are from different nations (branches of the same family), lets acknowledge the fact that, just 3-4 generations back-1800's going back there was never a so called (South Africa ) we used to live according to nations Xhosa, Zulu, Vhenda etc. People are just being themselves really, what is so tribal about being a proud Zulu or a proud Vhenda? This nationalism( South African) seems to be not working to our advantage as a diverse people in terms of cultural belief systems, language, traditions ect. Now because we are all South Africans we now celebrate ceremonies such as Christmas, Easters of which our forefathers knkw nothing of so iwishi wishi
We are all descendants of the Nguni tribe 😊😊at the beginning we all spoke one language which is Bantu language that created other languages such as pedi, Xhosa, Ndebele, Tsonga, Zulu and ect during the era of emperor Shaka Zulu the majority of Nguni people spoke Zulu language and the emperor started to unifying them first to form the Zulu Kingdom. Then he started to invade the other neighbouring tribes to form one of the greatest empire the world has ever seen 💯💯💯 the Zulu Empire
the questions are brilliant. but the answers seem lacking. and its not to knock the guy being interviewed. its a difficult set of questions.
SA, like most of Africa has to develop a strong talented tenth to move SA forward.
As black people I think it is time now we stop this attitude of inclusiveness. We don't wannna stand on and for what truly defines you as that particular black person. And go around saying other people are tribal, that's nonsense. You guys want to be appreciated by everyone nd everywhere you go which is why we also have those black people who seeks inclusiveness even in white people "just like you Pen" nd when it doesn't happen or you don't feel welcome, you start pulling up words of tribalism, racism etc.
And funny enough because today in. South Africa we have these so much problems that could be traced back to the abundance welcoming of people of different kinds.
The Pen, great engagement right there. I would like to comment on the Zim issue. Your guest is from Limpopo. He has surely never been to Zim. Hmmm, maybe in your reporting you may want to go to rural Zimbabwe. With no support whatsoever from the government, go and check their places. I guarantee some Limpopo homes have nothing on those guys homes.
The other problem, repression is real in Zim. Having a government like the ANC, people may cry, but they must live in zim for a week to understand the situation there. Its easy to build in Limpopo. The roads and electricity are right around the corner. That means industries. Hardwares are around the corner. Supermarkets for food. But a guy building in Zim, he must travel far to get just to get a bag of cement! The challenges are enormous.But look at what they have done. I was in the SANDF and am well traveled in SA. I can tell you that the EC and KZN, they have not built like those Zim guys from a place called Plumtree and Kezi that i have been to.
So, I guess the conversation would have been more holistic with another guest from Zim. You represent KZN there, that dude represents Limpopo, but I have to give it to you... great topic
Tsonga and Venda are not really that different from other South African languages hey... We just don't give ourselves enough time to learn them
This Go Back Home regime lol needs a halftime, because every tribe resides far apart from SA Zulus included, their history goes back from Kenya so technically we are all in the same boat of this Issue
My brother shangaan has more similar words with isizulu reason being they are ngunis shangaan doesn't relate to sesotho the thing is amazulu think they are superior than other mostly mina engibuya Kubo bangizonda ..but That doesn't change that my roots are of a nguni ..shangaan but stop discriminating other people we are human beings not animals
Ezekiel 29:14 became truth. Africa is just a lowly kingdom now . Also Isaiah 19.
The thing bro is, without saying a thing, we are all good. However, once u speak, it's a problem. We were tout to be different by foreigners. We hate eish others for the province we come from, and who brought those boarders to us? To fix it, remove boarders and let the kids grow together.
What is this discussion attempting to uncover or disprove? Penuel this is lazy and has elements of being divisive if you’re not sure or have not done the proper research rather chill.
You are right my brother
Thank God we don't have this nonsense in the Caribbean.
It's good to know that Zulu people are building factories back in Nkandla 😂😂😂. Penuels doesnt know the difference between government and ordinary ppl
tribalism is equal to racism ,don't think i will tolerate tribalism i will view u same way as racist
A lot of Xenophobia , we supposed to work together, if we Unite we will be an unstoppable force