Game of Thrones S6E9 PART 3 Battle of the Bastards REACTION
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2019
- I know I should have just let it go
But my soul was crushed like a trampled Jon Snow
I had hoped this battle would reignite
Their interest in the show and set things right
But instead I felt sadness and disbelief
The first of my 7 Stages of Grief
:-)
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I know I should have just let it go
But my soul was crushed like a trampled Jon Snow
I had hoped this battle would reignite
Their interest in the show and set things right
But instead I felt sadness and disbelief
The first of my 7 Stages of Grief
:-)
Rick from Blindwave (a huge reaction channel) had the same reaction...He actually thought the battle was very weak. 😁
It's not your fault! The battle itself is magnificent in every aspect, if you're invested into the characters that are in it. Jon Snow falling in the trap, having multiple close calls, Ramsay's certain victory slowly turning the tides. You have to truly love Jon, Davos, Sansa and Tormund to feel for them and be invested. And the hate for Ramsay has to be strong enough enough for you to want to pull through this battle until the very end. If it didn't click for the couple, nothing can be done. Especially since the show goes downhill some more after this. Thank you for the hours of entertainment you put up!
Hi, greetings from Sydney. I really enjoy the reactions you created. Though they are ending soon, it's been a great ride all the same. And I really appreciate your efforts behind the curtain on doing all the hard work to make them available to us. I like the episode as well, Sansa's smile at the end gets me every time. I understood you were trying to convince them of this show's merit and I respect your passion for the show which I share as well. However, with all due respect, maybe it was just my opinion, I felt you were pushing it bit too hard on asserting the episode as one of the greatest battles. The way you tried to pull them to your side and singled out the Nameless Gentleman as the only person who didn't enjoy the episode, I felt, ended up shoving him to your opposition, and further hardening his opinion to dislike. Anyway, reaction still cool though :)
Oh Sherry, I feel for you. The nameless couple is a lost cause. I think their aversion to conflict, tension, violence and pain makes impossible for them to enjoy this kind of show, which in a way says a lot about the kind of people they are. Thank you for all your effort and time though, I do appreciate it. I can only imagine how frustrating it is for you that your friends do not like the show but remember, those of us here, do. Your editing and you adding subtitles for their comments is deeply appreciated! Thanks so much!
It just seems like he thought it was too "showy" and didn't have an emotional connection for him. I mean ... also how you and everyone else probably hyped it maybe didn't help.
To be fair she didn’t even really watch the episode.
Now I'm starting to understand much more clearly why you decided to stop Sheri lol
Well this wasn't the main reason but it certainly didn't help lol
It's so crazy because I was just about to comment the same thing..I was going to say "Now I can clearly see why you decided to stop".
I still will comment that lol
Saswato Gupta Yup!
I bet they will love 8x3 since you can't see anything you can't get overstimulated and you don't have to cover your eyes lol
I’ll blame you for being tired. Because Jon’s “fog of war” one shot was the greatest scene ever at that point.
Actually most of the battle was NOT Cgi. Jon standing there with the horses running towards him, was real. Kit Harrington actually stood there as real horses charged at him. They only used CGI when they absolutely had to, usually for safety reasons, for people and animals. Everything else was real.
MavenCree That’s a problem nowadays that actually serves as a testament to how good CGI is now... people don’t know what’s real and what’s not, so they seem to just assume everything is CGI. To be fair, this episode probably has more CGI than any episode before it, so I kinda get why they feel like it was a CGI fest in comparison to the rest of the series before it, but still... surprised it was such a problem for Nameless Man. I think the problem was probably more that they just don’t appreciate extended action sequences and liked the show for its story depth more in the early seasons. Some people just can’t seem to adapt to the later seasons’ approach.
I don't know how you can say that "most" of the battle wasn't CGI. If you watch the BTS of the scene (which I'm sure you did) it's plain to see that a massive amount of VFX went into that. The one shot being filmed looks entirely different from the utter chaos of the finished product with VFX. Jon being charged was real, but that's also a trick of perspective. There's just a ton of effects in any shot with a lot of action, or scale.
And I'm not dogging on it. What they were able to achieve was very impressive. They did only use it when they had to. But they had to quite a bit.
@@ghostnote1678 Since you were protesting about how much cgi was used, I took a look at the bts like you recommended. While there was a lot used in the aerial & landscape shots adding in soldiers to give a grander scale, everything on the ground was like only 25 - 50% and the majority of that was the horses. Most everything was real with large amounts of people physically doing it in frame. They even used real life battles as far as logistics goes. If anything watching those bts showed me just how much real work went into filming this which makes me respect the actors and crew 10x more. So thank you for enlightening me.
Ghost Note If you were to work out the percentage of real to CG, it would fall HEAVILY towards real. Even in heavy CG shots, much of what’s on screen is a real shot that the CG is then added into. Most of the shots have no CGI whatsoever. Most shots are tighter frames full of real stunt performers, tight shots on Jon, etc. For the most part, heavy CG was restricted to the wide shots, or specialty shots like the arrows flying through the air. Even the giant, who is digitally composited in, was actually shot footage of a guy in make-up, just enlarged. Most of the cavalry charge was real, except for the moment of the armies clashing. Jon’s big oner had a lot of CG, but a lot of real too, so that’s only about half CG, and its the biggest CG shot of the battle. The big epic crane up as Jon emerges from the crowd was all real, just filled the frame up with extras. The big piles of bodies were all real set pieces, augmented with extras. The wall of shields and spears was all real, except for the big overhead shots. Most of the scene is edited together from fairly tight shots, the vast majority of which have no CGI at all.
And we don’t count camera tricks like compressing the space between Kit Harington and the charging army by using a long lens as CGI. That’s precisely what we count as “real”. Of course there’s always tricks and effects going on in action scenes. There’s tricks and effects of some kind going on in every scene of every movie/tv show ever made. But we’re talking specifically about CGI here.
So yes, MOST of it was real, as in practically staged scenes captured in camera. There is absolutely no doubt that most of it was real.
Well hey - I fully respect the nameless couple being completely candid with their opinions, even if their response to this episode dropped my jaw to the floor in disbelief. I’m one of those who thinks this battle is one of the best produced for film or television. Regardless! I’ll always give you a big thumbs up because of your wonderful commitment, Sherry, and your hard work editing this series so so well.
Not everybody likes the same things, and that's good.
An "Emmy of suck" though. Lol! I think that he needs to see the behind-the-scenes videos for this. Most of this wasn't really CGI.
Oh dear. This is what makes the world such a wonderful place. Different points of view. Different experiences.
Yeah the guy is done with GOT...
The nameless husband does have a bit of a point about the battle.
He acknowledged that it's impressive, but there was a strong element of, "Look what we can do!"
Well sure, but that's literally any battle footage ever shown. Anything more than the show saying "there was a battle, this side won" is basically showing off special effects.
If you watch BoB and have a negative reaction, I feel confident in saying GoT isn't for you. It's simply beautiful.
The one thing I'll grant them in their critique is that the Knights of the Vale showing up was pretty obvious. But, the show has punished us just enough to make us think it's possible they won't show up.
It's become very obvious they aren't as emotionally invested as other fans, which is fine, but if you aren't invested then this show is definitely going to come off as gratuitous.
Based on actual battles.
@@kyu2o337 "If you watch BoB and have a negative reaction, I feel confident in saying GoT isn't for you."
Certainly not. GoT was never about battle scenes.
@@kyu2o337 I would suggest watching The Dragon Demands channel as he does a great job of dissecting the problems with BotB.
D&D wanted the impossible with that scene, and they weren't able to do what they originally planned because there simply wasn't enough time.
had they managed to plan out doing less "Look what we can do" the story wouldn't have suffered for it.
@@kyu2o337 You sound like a nob. I love (well, loved) GoT, and I still think this battle sucked.
it stuck to me bc it was one of the first times a show showed what it was like to be in the middle of the battle field in all of the carnege and chaos and that 1 shot with jon was amazing
I agree 100 %! It's the first time I realised what it would have been like fighting in a war
The roles of the nameless couple have reversed for the last couple of episodes. It used to be your male friend who had really good hunches of what was going to happen. Now your redheaded friend has a really good instinct for the show!
Yeaaah you made the right decision stopping these. You're lovely and have done a fantastic job editing these but it was the right decision, even leaving behind the personal reasons.
its just not for them i guess
Let’s end this react series with a high bring on the winds of winter!!!
Hey, now we all know why you decided to end the reactions! Good call. All the love to you, though.
Well this wasn't the reason but it certainly didn't help. Anyway, thanks! :-)
I thought it was really impressive how they captured the chaos of battle. A lot of battle scenes seem really stylish and choreographed. Obviously it was choreographed otherwise it wouldn't have worked, but it was choreographed to look like chaos, and I've never seen anything like it on film before. Really impressive.
Would Nameless man think historical battles like The Battle of Cannae, Gettysburg,scenes in Saving Private Ryan , were over the top?
While some of that scene was cgi, the majority was not, Jon facing down the cavalry, getting trampled, actually having to fight his way back up etc, Kit spent months in the mud filming.
PJFSr Yes, the “reasons” were counterfactual and ignorant.
@@janeathome6643 which reasons ? and explain the ignorant part.
Hey Sheri,
I'm so sorry, I know you are sick and tired of GoT criticism, but I feel compelled to respectfully share my 2 cents about this episode, since I partially agree with our couple. For me this episode is the perfect example of how the show is able to make the majority of its audience overlook massive narrative gaps by distracting them with spectacle. And it works on most people because they never stop and think about the plot holes.
Although I mostly enjoyed this episode for its spectacle, I thought it was weak narratively and did not make a lot of sense. It illustrates how the series is breaching the standards that it set in earlier seasons (S1-S4).
Critic Lili Loufbourow crystallized it perfectly when she said:
*_"Game of Thrones has been coasting for some time now on two related strands of viewer goodwill. The first is that people will overlook plenty if the battle looks cool enough. The second is that viewers credit the show with complexity it no longer has, based on their memories of its better, more interesting early seasons. [...] The series' past is functionally an antidote to the absurdist mediocrity of its present."_*
I can't help but emphatically agree.
*Why didn't Wun Wun have any weapon in this battle when he did at Hardhome?*
He is not the Hulk. Arrows and spears will hurt him, and did kill him.
*Why didn't Sansa say anything to Jon about the Vale army?*
She complains about not being included in the strategizing, when she is present in the war room during the strategizing! Nobody is preventing her to speak her mind.
Loufbourow wrote a great review of this episode in which she argues that the show strenuously tries to contort the plot and Sansa's character to absolve her of the terrible compromises that unavoidably come with the decision that she makes, and of which the motivations are not clear and confusing.
Either Sansa planned Littlefinger's late arrival - in which case she's responsible for the carnage which include her willingness to sacrifice both Jon & Rickon, or she didn't and gets no credit for the victory. She just got lucky.
That makes her either dumb and virtuous for not telling Jon about the Vale or she is evil and cunning because she's willing to sacrifice both her brothers to win the battle. The show is trying to make her virtuous and cunning as if neither of those scenarios come with bad consequences that make her look bad.
Also this episode continues to show this season's great lack of mortal consequences for the core cast, and it's completely antithetical to the show's M.O.
There are some great critical analyses of this episode that I've linked below if you're interested.
*Game of Thrones has a Sansa Problem:*
| LILI LOUFBOUROW
bit.ly/2Fs356V
*Game of Thrones: The Deceptively High Stakes of Season 6:*
| JOANNA ROBINSON
bit.ly/2OmUF4H
*A Cast of Kings S6E09 - Battle of the Bastards (Podcast)*
| JOANNA ROBINSON & DAVID CHEN
bit.ly/2TTlGmf
There is no way for Sansa to learn if Littlefinger will arrive on time or arrive at all. She sent him the raven from her camp to moat calin or vale where he was but he has no means to send back a reply to her in some random camp outside winterfell. Ravens don't work that way.
And it is visible in the scene where Jon asks her when will we get larger army? She wants to tell him but she cannot because she knows not to trust littlefinger. Remember she told him to get lost when she met him earlier. So chances are he won't help Jon. Also Jon cannot make plans based on some army which is not there. He also cannot have that false hope of some rescue army. As a commander he needs to fight with what he got not what he can expect in future.
Why we love Battle of the Bastards and episode 9 as a whole?
1. This was the culmination of the second act of the story and for the Northern and Slaver's Bay conflict storylines (that both started in season 3).
2. Those storylines surround the protagonists Jon and Daenerys so it was needed and nice to have in 8 seasons an payoff episode for all the things those families went through.
3. The episode had amazing cinematography and singular shots for Jon's part and great CGI for Dany (the battle of the bastards stuff didn't had much).
4. The acting was very good, the battle realistic in terms of ruthlessness and chaos.
5. Yeah it was expected for thr good guys to win but it was refreshing and the episode had lots of emotional moments like Rickon's death, the Giant's and Jon choosing to live during the battle when he got out of that crowd (he struggled about him living ever since he come back).
They took back Winterfell. The battle was well done and the cinematography was beautifully done. They are really going to hate seasons 7 & 8.
I really loved seasons 1 to 6. Season 7 made me worry about the sanity of the producers and season 8 was the worst crap I have ever watched.
I agree, I barely enjoyed season 7 and 8 but based on their reactions so far I agree I think they would be miserable watching those seasons.
Funnysterste agree. As much as I hate season 8 (like I seriously hate it so much). I can still find enjoyable moments. But as a whole it truly did ruin the story for me...I am very heartbroken. Season 7 looking back makes me worried...but at least it didn't butcher all the buildup.
There were still a lot of things I liked about seasons 7 and 8. The beyond the wall stuff, the dragon pit meeting, the trial of Littlefinger, Arya seducing Gendry, Brienne being knighted, the battle against the Night King, Tyrion throwing away his pin in disgust. There were scenes and dialogue that annoyed me a bit and it wasn't as good as seasons 1-6 but there were still plenty of things to enjoy.
oh and the finally of season 7, with the dragon breaking down the wall
Hilarious that he looked at the battle and thought to himself that this must all be cgi. It was coordinated so well that he thought it all had to be fake.
I think for people who care about story and investment in character way more than any flashy cinematics or fights, I can see why this episode would be disappointing I guess. Because as we all agree the narrative was predictable and this show spent seasons establishing that you shouldn't expect anything predictable. That being said I thought the battle scenes were fantastic.
yeah, the series is done. Probably for the best to end the reactions.
Understanding your 1st of your 7 stages of grief.
I think the battle was great in the aspect that the battle depicted the chaos and confusion off a battle. What I didn't like is that the episode suffered from the same issues of season 6 - 8. Once they lost the intricate detail and storytelling of Gorge RR Martin's source material. Also the plot armor on *John Snow* was incredibly strong.
True. Also thebattles on got have become too one-sided rather than a good back-and-forth
Ouch 💔 haha Thanks for posting a 3 parter!
In what world is he the first person who did not enjoy that battle? I absolutely agree with him! He definitely understands what actual good cinematography is. Both "Blackwater" and "The Watchers on the Wall" were vastly superior in that regard. The one great part about this episode is that single long take following Jon through the battlefield. It was well done, but I'd rather they made a good episode instead of putting this amazing 1 minute in.
EDIT: I feel like you were pushing your opinion a bit too hard on them, even if it felt to you like you didn't. I mean no disrespect, I'm sure I've been like that before when defending something I really enjoy. Valid criticism is always good, whether it's positive or negative, and they deliver on that!
Even if you think this isn't, it's a good episode. You'd be 1v5 trying to fight that
AMEN
everyone saying “BEST BATTLE EVER” clearly hasn’t watched much film.
Black water and Watchers was 1000% more intriguing than BoB.
I like Cake and Frosting lol what? You sound like my nieces and nephews when they are arguing. They are 5.
@@whydoihavesubs6644 Even if you think it is, this isn't a good episode. See what I did there? That sentence doesn't carry any merit.
What's great about this episode? 4:21 !!!!!!!! You can't deny your emotional reaction to climax even if you're ashamed of it.
Rick from "Blind Wave" hated this one. I'm part of that minority as well I don't hate it, the battle was visually amazing and extremely brutal, but I like both the battle of the Blackwater and Castle Black better. Some of the strategy and other details kind of brought this one down a notch for me.
So what was the strategy at castleblack lol
This is also where I started disliking Sansa. She kept the armies of the Vale a secret until they showed up at the very last minute, while she's sitting there on her horse with that smug look on her face, after all those men died unnecessary brutal deaths.
I predict they'll stop watching GOT season 7 episode Beyond The Wall.( That's when my husband stopped watching. The writing just got too silly for him.)
I remember a time where I defended this episode being like "but it will make sense when we'll know more about the Night King!!! He's a greenseer" lol joke's on me, I really had too much faith in Weiss and Benioff
A wonderful episode but horrible at the same time. The nameless couple don't seem like the type of people would understand and admire something like this episode. I think I understand why you feel like you have gone far enough Sheri. I don't know what the nameless couple will feel like after episode 10 but I can believe their stopping. You have done good and given it your best shot. Thank you Sheri.
It was the most realistic portrayal of a medieval battle on television to date, and deserved the praise and awards it received. Also, the long shot of Jon battling shouldn't be belittled...that takes extensive choreography. He's disappointed...so am I.
I'm curious, what sort of shows do your friends usually watch?
I'd bet money they don't watch much TV
I think game of thrones is just not for them. It thought this battle was one of the greatest battles I have ever seen in my life so I was surprised that they didn't feel the same way but it is what it is.
Eh, people tend to either forget GoT is A TV SHOW or what tv shows were doing before GoT existed. No matter how much a lot can be hated about s7 and s8, we can acknowledge that GoT changed a lot of things for tv. It is TV and it's very easy to forget when you watch GoT. Never ever did the CGI, the stunts, the visual effects failed this show. I mean, hello imagine a tv show doing a dragon like the ones we have on GoT before GoT happened? Impossible to imagine and yet people aren't even baffled by that anymore! But it was some 10 years ago and now it's become a "norm", or at least, something a lot of other shows can reach. Here, it's over the top but it has meaning. On s7 and 8 it's over the top and it's meaningless on top of it all (respawning armies, characters who don't make any sense, etc) it would have been interesting to see their reactions but oh well. I guess there are people who can dislike GoT even when it was good. It's a genre I guess.
I actually like 6x10 better than 6x9, but they are both extremely well done and 100 times better than anything you get in Season 7 or 8 so.... its all downhill from here people, lolz
Cellophanity Frog I like spoils of war better than battle of bastards as a battle
I have watched many reactions to this eposide and I can not remember many people who were expecting an army for support.
Thats why, this couple is smart and realised that the show got dumb to please more audiences.
Well it showed Sansa writing a letter to LF. I expected him to show up with the Vale at some point. It was foreshadowed. But I was more upset by Sansa's playing of the game and lying to Jon than concerned with the army that may or may not come. The dialogue and writing did go downhill in season 5 and beyond. For a couple seasons, they were able to hide that from eager fans with big battles or shocking scenes like Shireen. Season 7 it became very clear to me that the writing was not what it was when they had source material too draw from and we won't even talk about season 8. I absolutely loved this episode and most of season six because it finally brought the reunion of the first Starks and Starks back to Winterfell. The cinematography was great in these last two episodes. But after realizing what the writing had become in the last two seasons, when I watch the show back now I see the decline starting in session five and I do see the cracks in season 6 even though I still love it. So I guess that's a long way of saying I can see how the nameless couple feel the way they do. Like something was missing or just didn't quite fit.
Lots of people expected a last minute save
Ramsey really could have put that arrow in Jon instead of Wun Wun's eye. What a dummy! lol
But no, he had to make jon suffer, losing his brother right in front of him clearly wasn't enough
He also could have shot Jon instead of Rickon. Or have arrows loosed when their army was boxed in.
I am also in the minority. I loved the season finale more and I'm sure they'll too.
The battle sequence, from the choreography & editing perspective, is realistic.
Realistic because it shows the randomness of such battles.
Who, once, could actually pretend to survive in that mess.
Who could nowadays.
I wish them good fortune in the Wars (battles) to come.
In terms of reality: the battles of Crecy and Agincourt in the Middle Ages were described very much like the initial clashes and the Battle of Cannae was the template for all battles of encirclement. At Cannae the forces of Hannibal surrounded 80000 Roman legionaries. When Hannibal examined the field he reported 40000 of the Romans had died from the crush and heat. So given the facts that the show had to visualize ten thousand men and horses dying in the thousands in a desperate battle they captured it. I think the Unnamed Ones are far too civilized and modern to appreciate a blood drenched battlefield or for that matter enjoy a bar brawl.
krichardj Don’t sweat, this battle had very little historical/realistic credibility. And even logical.
the trophe of the bad guy shooting arrow on his own men, the charges, Jon falling in the trap, having no plan at all, everything was very stereotypical and monty pithon-like.
Even how Ramsie got punched is silly, the other bolton soldiers could have shot Jon instantly.
I actually agree with the nameless couple. Though this battle was visually stunning, it was a little too polished and pretty to really feel like a battle. Itfelt like a battle that could only happen on film. I think the best battle in all 8 seasons was Watchers on the Wall. It was something that looked and felt real. And it was back in Season 4 when the show wasn't afraid to kill off well-liked characters.
Episode 10 is my favorite one ever and now I think I’m gonna throw my iPad across the room if they crap all over it. You lost them in season 5. There’s no coming back now. I predict they don’t even finish Season 7 on their own. This show isn’t for everyone and you have to respect their honesty. Forced viewing makes for bad reactions.
Exactly. But I feel compelled to correct you in that this was never "forced" viewing. In fact, just the opposite. I gave them literally dozens of chances to quit since I started sensing they weren't into it anymore in season 5. And every time they said, "No. We enjoy the show. We enjoy watching with you." So I defended them in the comments and stuck with it and spent 400 hours editing 2 frustrating seasons worth of videos when I much rather would have spent those 400 hours doing something else. So if you want to throw your iPad, imagine how I feel. ;-)
Motels on Mars , Oh no, I meant continuing the videos, not what you’ve been doing. That’s what I meant with forced. And if they agreed, and wanted to continue I would say fine. I’m only referring to keep them going when you feel it’s just not worth it anymore. I’ve enjoyed it all, but sometimes the game is just over. I’m ok with completely different opinions, I’ve read them all, but just watching to to finish and not be excited or intrigued is another thing.
Unlike the majority, I found the nameless couples reaction to this episode to be surprising but not disappointing. After all, it's their opinion which is just as valid as anyones. Personally, I enjoyed this episode from a cinematic standpoint but it wasn't even in my top 3 GoT battles. I felt more emotionally invested in other battles than I did in this one.
Thanks for making it a 3 parter though Sheri. Always appreciate your effort and definitely felt the disappointment and frustration in your voice when you were trying to defend the episode in the post show discussion. Looking forward to the season finale.
I agree. I appreciate their honest reaction.
Buckle up, cause the season finale is going to be an UNFORGETTABLE emotional roller coster. Every plot point is going to converge, every puzzle piece is going to fit in. It's one of those very rare fulfilling GoT episodes. But one thing's for certain, you're going to come out drained & with one heck of a televion experience.
The Battle had many things that could be criticized, most of them pointed out by other people already.
What really destroyed my emergence the first time I watched it was when Jon hit the guy on a horse charging at him with his sword and that guy flew back from that impact. Reality just doesn't work that way and it's not a superhero movie.
Wow gutted he felt that way
I agree with them, and i had the same reaction as the guy when i first watched, since season 5 GOT been suffering from the details that used to have in the books and in the first seasons because of george, now they resolved everthing with fights and battles to show off and because they are not criative enough, remember season 1 when was almost to none fights? good times, people yet defend this thing and thats why they got season 7 and 8, its in the same level.
I agree with you. Since season 5 the details were lacking but then the books ended at season 5 and the next book is somewhere, is nowhere, is ?????. It is known books have much more detail than videos. The first bools had all the detail in the world for the producers and writes to work from. After that, George RR Martin gave the producers some outlines to work by, no details, and it showed. Sorry MegaDozo, I just had to get that off my mind.
Yeah I can agree on the fact that the plot was not subtle at all. It was guh-guh Starks vs the bad guys, and the Starks won because an army came to their rescue at the last minute in a white knight saviory way and that was kinda obvious. It didn't disappoint me when I watched it because at this point you kinda still had stakes, the possibility of the characters dying because you couldn't really see yet the "mechanism" of how "plot armored" the characters had become (which is here, especially for Jon and Arya on s6 but becomes very *HEAVYYYY* on s7 and s8 for A LOT of characters, like Arya, Jon, Jaime, etc) It really is the start of the pattern that will define s7 and s8 as seasons and how the writing will lack subtelty for obvious plots sugar-coated with beautiful effects. I still think it takes nothing of the fact that this battle is epic, in a practical effects point of view. The stunts, the visual effects, the CGI, the actors work, all of it is HIGHER than anything done on tv so far. That's mainly how GoT made history as a tv show. Thing is, on the last two seasons, the creators only relied on that and it was even more obvious than on s6. I think there are valid criticisms in what they said about the plot, but I totally disagree with how they belittled the work that happened behind the scenes to make this battle real. It was NOT "just CGI" and the Emmys for this episode were MORE than worthy. Direction, coordination, stunts, visual effects, all of them deserved what they got. It's not "Emmy of suck" and tbh that's what baffles me the most in what he said.
@@MARYWTHER well said.
I also thought the battle scene (and the end of the episode) were kind of over the top. But I enjoyed them a lot anyway. The overwhelming majority of GOT watchers absolutely love GOT, and that makes a difference. I think the nameless couple were never very emotionally invested in GOT. That makes it easier to spot when something is kind of overdone, that detachment. But I must add that the man in this couple has one of the best off-the-cuff senses of humor I've ever heard in a (presumably) nonprofessional.
The action sequence at the start of the battle, that one long shot of Jon fighting, was basically the best action sequence I've ever seen in a tv show. It competes with the best action sequences in movie. The whole battle was beautifully choreographed, and I think this was basically the first time we've ever seen horses used like that in battle (normally, you get a lot of close-ups to make it look like the cavalry charged into the defenders but you don't actually see it happening; they don't want to injure any people or horses while filming. But here, they managed to show it somehow, and it wasn't just CGI either).
That said, the story of this episode was bad. Just straight up bad. And I loved this episode. But I'm not going to ignore the obvious flaws here.
In terms of spectacle, entertainment and epicness, this episode is top class.
Even the Dany bit before the main battle was very well done.
The writing for the episode wasn't the best.
How did the bodies pile up so quickly?
That was one of those moments when they did something just for the cool factor. Why did Wun Wun not have any sort of weapon?
They literally sent that giant out there without anything to defend himself with cause he is enormous I guess lol.
How did the vale army sneak up on Ramsay with such a large force.
Surely there would have been scouts out there to identity such a threat. Plus the Sansa and Jon drama felt forced.
Sansa was responsible for thousands of men dying to get her family's home back because she didn't tell Jon that help was on the way.
Would have changed the entire strategy they approached with.
@@nostalgicbliss5547 Yep, totally agree.
I wrote those things you mentioned, but then I thought "I'm just gonna leave it at: it's bad" lol.
It has some good elements for sure, but this is not even close to the best battle ever shot.
Have you ever watched Waterloo from 1974? Most of the tactics and battle logic in this episode were pretty childish, naif and yeah i agree on the over the top.
I mean, Jon is sending a dude on horseback flying like a dragonball character.
Also Jon did the same exact mistake he did before by jumping in the middle of the other army falling in the trap like an idiot, while all his men’s life depended on him, also his sisters life. Was pretty silly, im sure it wont happen this way in the books.
This dude is john snow in the open field against the army of us that loved this episode charging at him lol
How is this “over the top?” One of the beautiful things about this episode is how they showed the entire chaos of battle, rather than making it “artful” and choreographed. And I have to give a shout-out to my girl, Sansa, even though I’m just listening to their feedback now. Sansa got that Jon isn’t a great military commander and is driven by emotion (something women are often accused of), so she knew that she couldn’t give him a full heads up about the Vale. And Jon proved her suspicions right by his reaction to Rickon, yet people still hate on Sansa’s play here. Plus, she had to put her total animosity with Littlefinger aside and ask him for help, which must have been terribly hard for her. I’m disappointed by the Nameless Couple’s response, but not surprised. Oh, well, I’ll always have how I was yelling at the TV when Jon was being crushed to death. ;-)
From ALL indications, she couldn't give him any heads up, because LF did not answer her request, and logically there was no way he know where to send the raven or would send one.
His whole plan ( prior to ramsey throwing a wrench ) was to wait the battle out, take out the victor and save Winterfell and get the North through Sansa . Sansa could have told Jon she sent, the raven, but all her answers to any of Jon's questions would be : I don't know, I got no reply, stick to your plan as Davos said. Sansa had no answers for when, from where, how many, weapons or siege equipment, so maybe she decided not to give false hope.
PJFSr, Jon, Sansa, and Davos spent forever traipsing around the North trying to form something resembling an army, and at any point during all that Sansa could have mentioned the Vale, especially during their arguments about the size of their force. Additionally, Jon set the timeline for the attack on Winterfell, there really isn’t a reason they couldn’t have waited for a response from Littlefinger. My only point is that a lot of reactors hate on Sansa for this very intentional play, but really it was the right call. I love Jon, he has a lot of great qualities, but if anyone could find a way to screw up that battle, even with the Vale, it would have been him.
How would she know if jon was good or not. Plus if she told about baelish,they may have planned things better And Save Lives
Furthermore it was a sure thing that baelish would show up, he would have done everything for her
Let's be honest, the only reason she didn't tell Jon was to create drama for the show. Sansa didn't know Jon would screw up. Jon screwing up was kind of out of character for him at the time (it's like he became dumber from that point onwards in the show).
Come on folks, Sansa is not that smart. She didn't plan anything. I'm not hating on her, but Sansa somehow being smart enough to plan this stuff out while Jon suddenly becomes an idiot doesn't explain the story because it makes even less sense than her just not trusting Jon.
It was their fourth episode they must have been tired. Should have watched the last two another day.
You gotta realize that he, in particular, cannot handle hype. I have a friend like that that I’m sure to never say something is good beforehand to because that will guarantee he’ll hate it.
How can you not like those long, uninterrupted shots??
oh, boy, I was SOOOOO disapointed in his reaction to the battle... I cant imagine how you felt!!!! he needs to watch the actual battle set up by GOT...damn. huggggs for you,
6-10 is the best!!
I've been in a fight with close to 20 people. It was really crazy.
To each their own, but that commentary was straight up cringe, since most of it was simply dead wrong. Neither could they explain their reasoning. Yikes.
You’re right it was Saving Private Ryan and the Normandy Invasion.
Jill Stalnaker Exactly. The medieval version.
hes definitely not wrong. this episode and lot of the last three seasons will not age well. everyone is dazzled by the action and cg but narratively this thing was not good. lots of "huh?" happening as i watched this again with them. beautiful effects, not a lot making sense. not just this episode though. this season, the next season, and the last.
What do you mean by, not a lot making sense, what has to make sense in a battle ?
Martin Larsen a lot actually. Battles do need logic. Also not just the battle. Some of the dany stuff had head scratchers
@i SkyWalKing i have the exact same opinion. season 6 episode 1 just has a different feel to it, and the rest of the show from there on out follows it
Also the fireworks thing actually happened in San Diego once and it was pretty cool!! Here's the video link th-cam.com/video/ndVhgq1yHdA/w-d-xo.html
As for the greatest battle on tv, I think this ranks very high up there for me. My favorite however is the rescue from New Caprica on Battlestar Galactica.
Altitude 99,000 and falling like a rock!
Oh you did NOT pull out the Adama Maneuver!!! One of the greatest moments in tv history no doubt!!
Ya know the more I see this episode the more I agree with him. It was all spectacle with little to none of the classic GoT storytelling that we love. It’s why I like 6x10 100 times more this this episode.
Not even a top 5 episode for me. Black water, Watchers on the Wall, the Children, and Winds of Winter all top this episode for me. And to see the brats in the comments ridiculing the nameless couple and hailing this episode as the “best battle out to screen” are extremely childish and ignorant. This episode shares all the problems that make season 7 and 8 absolute let downs. Sure it’s great for mindless spectacle, like an MCU film, but it ain’t winning an Oscar if ya know what I mean.
Ooooh the heartbreak and depression of falling out of love with something you were once so into.
Yeah I like this episode for the spectacle but when you resolve the thread of the episode, it's kinda basic. Dany's plan was smoother and smarter during her little minutes of screentime, it was more exciting how she turned the situation to her advantage. Here it's basic, the good guys vs the bad guys. Good Honorable Guy makes mistake because emotions and bad Guy uses it to lead the battle. Good Loyal Men follow their leader till the end and some unexpected allies come - that's why a lot of people compared it to Gandalf appearing with his white horse and loyal army at the end of LOTR2 to save Helm's Deep, it's kinda the same cliché that we see a lot in war movies or movies in the same genre as GoT. Again, some fan theories were, in the end, more exciting than what actually happened plot wise: the Karstarks turning against Bolton or even being part of a bigger plot against Bolton would have been cooler. Also it would have worked with what the Starks were saying regarding "the Northerners' loyalty" for 6 seasons. Here, we only had the Starks looking like fools because NO ONE from the Northern Houses except the Mormonts, supported them for this battle.
I always preferred episode 10 over this one, even tho I can admire the technique and the work put behind this episode, and to me, belittling it is disrespecting a lot of people and that didn't sit well with me in what he said. Other than that, I can agree on the fact that it's def a simple plot and symptomatic of something that will become a bigger problem on s7 and s8.
Yeah, I feel you.
Historically speaking, this is a small battle: about 2,000 vs 2,000.
There are battles who were way larger.
Like at Cannae, in 216 BC, it was 86,000 vs 50,000.
Well, now I'm somewhat relieved that this project ended prematurely. Even though I low-key wanted the further burns for the later seasons but I don't reckon this particular episode is deserved to be slammed this harshly.
The cinematography of the action sequences were great. But the story lacked emotional agency. Only Davos finding the stag he made for Shireen & Jon/Sansa post war council meeting had any emotional depth. We knew Rickon was going to die & an army would swoop in to save the day. Yet, Kit’s acting was incredible. So were the scenes Sophie had. I reiterate, just tell them not to watch S7 & 8. It’s all down hill. Oh, Arya’s storyline was stupid. She should of been dead.
Ps. Most of the BOB action sequence was real filming with practical effects & VFX duplicating (of the horses & them crashing). None of that segment was CGI. It was the best battle sequence not only in tv history but in movie history too. It didn’t glorify war. And was an approximation of real Civil War battles. Where the bodies where pile high on top of each other. IMO, the battle was not over the top. But showed the true brutality & horror of war. Did they noticed the frenzy of the battle? Jon killed some of his own men because he could no longer distinguish between the enemy & his own men. War is hell and the Battle of the Bastards depicted it exceptionally well.
You should show them the behind the scenes of the battle (if they want to lol)
I sent it to them the next day, mostly because I wanted them to see how much was _not_ CGI, but I don't know if they ever watched it.
Motels on Mars and no mention of it in the 6x10 video ??
That episode was epic and you're too good for that....
I haven't seen anyone mention the super long, uninterrupted shot following Jon. The technical challenges to it are pretty amazing and impressive. I know a few people who haven't watched and haven't wanted to watch GoT. I'd love to watch it with them , but I haven't pushed because I suspect they'd be similarly turned off. BTW, when I saw BoB, I also totally thought about the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. It had the same, sensory-overload quality that I suspect would be present in an actual massive battle of that sort.
It was a fantastic battle. Beautifully filmed. Awesome battle choreography. Unlike anything ever seen before on TV.
But I also didn't like this episode this much. It was just too much battle for me, that is just not my thing and I totally understand them.
I hope they liked the finale more. Because that is my very favorite episode of the whole series.
Are you gonna continue these reactions!??? Please tell me it’s not over
"Have you been on the internet?" 😂🤣
I completely agree with the nameless ones! I couldn't stand this episode. Sure it was great film making but I would rather they stuck to battles like season 1. It happens off screen and they focus on the story. It was far to predictable.
You can criticise elements of the narrative and writing, but to say that a battle this significant should have happened off screen is just silly.
Most of the battles that happened off screen in season 1 were not monumental to the plot.
From season 2, we see battle of blackwater bay on screen because we basically spent a whole season building up to it.
It was significant to many character's and their arcs till that point.
We see that trend continue with Watchers on the Wall in season 4 and Hardhome in season 5.
I understand where they're coming from. It is over the top. The whole show is over the top.
I would not rate this the best battle episode of GoT. Blackwater, Hardhome, Watchers on the Wall were better.
I agree with those picks. Loved this from a cinematography standpoint though.
of course the Army was late XD Eddward having a living son, bastard or no, doesn't play with Littlefinger, the person who sent the army's plan. Littlefinger waited until Jon would most likely be dead. He's basically that general (I forget his name) but during either the War of the Roses or the 100 Year War, he waited until the last possibly second of the battle before making a choice and joining the fray. :D
Ok actually loved this, but I loved this because of the after episode discussion more than the reaction itself. Their view/opinion is so interesting to listen to. So here's an idea... I know that there will be no more reactions after this season but maybe like podcats about movie or book discussions with the nameless couple. Just something to keep in mind. Anyway great video
Well i hope they enjoy episode 10, it's probably my favourite episode.
house mormont shield, turned out those 60 men were really important!
O loved you reactions. Please not stop... 🇧🇷
I think I understand where they're coming from. The cinematography was great and while it was far from the worst episode, there was too much everything for me - action, gore, anxiety, confusion, drama. I'm naturally a hyper-vigilant person, so with all of that stuff going on, it wears me out. I don't mind them giving us a glimpse of it, but dedicating so much time to all of that can be too much. One of the main themes of ASoIaF/GoT is that war is horrible and how it affects everyone, so glorifying it with beautiful shots like the one with Jon, and showing that as long as the, "good guys," win, there aren't consequences, seems to defeat that theme. Also, at this point, we know how sadistic and disgusting Ramsay is. We didn't really need all that time dedicated to demonstrating it when it has been demonstrated to us since Season 3.
As to your last point, I think they did all that because they wanted this episode to stand on its own as much as possible.
My favorite GoT battles.
1. Hardhome
2. Spoils of War
3. Battle of the Bastards
Ugh finally I find people who didn't like this episode. I slept through it because it was dragging on and on and on. Too much telling and not showing through the music
The nameless left me speechless. e10 is my favroute and e9 close second.
This was the best battle of all time!! Don't no what he is thinking.
Battle of blackwater was much better, because the writing was still good back then.
the best battle on TV in my opinion!! I enjoy watching these but sometimes I disagree with the nameless couple a lot! I felt like this show was not for them a while ago. Sherry, I can tell loves the show & the editing has been amazing!!
The battle of the bastards is so good because of the stories intertwined in it. The battle itself is great, its not over the top with cgi, its just slightly over. And te satisfaction of watching Bolton die, thats just good. But i can see his point of view, this was the begining of GoT going over the top with what they could do with CGI rather than what they could do with good writing. Seasons 7 and 8 is when it really went overdone.
Season 6 Episode 9 is my favorite battle scene of this entire series. Having said that though, in the climate that we live in today when the powers that control our world are trying to desensitize the public by constantly pushing the envelope to what they want society to see as normal, I am very happy to see that we still have people in this world who would rather choose to keep their innocence and call out the brutality and gory details of this episode for its violence. Again, I love Game of Thrones but I'm glad to see that there's hope yet for this planet's humanity in the Unnamed couple. With many more like minds of the Unnamed couple in our society, I think this world will still have hope to be saved from all that is planned for us by the madmen who control this world.
I don’t think blood and gore shows are their cup of tea, especially when combined with hearing that you had them do a 4 episode marathon Led me to predict that it would not “land” with them the way you seemed to be hoping for. They were likely too disturbed from the violence to be able to appreciate the cinematography and too tired to be emotionally attached to the characters (made harder by Jon’s very obvious plot armor in the second half of the battle) - plus they never seemed to hate Ramsay as strongly as many other viewers.
I loved the Battle of Mereen... Battle of the Bastards, not so much. Knowing what I know now, the show would have probably been more interesting if Ramsay had won.
That's just trash. Ramsay was evil.
Wow. This reminds me of what happened with the guy Im was taking through the show, but I don't think they got much past the Red Wedding. I bet they'll start watching season 7, but won't make it past the Loot Train Battle. The first few episodes have the reunions and Jon meeting Dany, but once they hit that battle with all the people on fire, I bet they bail on the show.
Aw, Sheri, I feel your disappointment. However, I’m cautiously optimistic that they will enjoy the finale more because they seem to appreciate plot development as opposed to action sequences. Fingers crossed! Btw, thank you for everything you’ve done!
Lmao just too much for them. The violence was the issue, i Think
i totally understand them. i love this episode a lot. but, i cant say its the best battle.
Lets rip this bandaid called episode 10 and get over with this misery. Have you ever told us why you chose this couple to shoot the reactions?
th-cam.com/video/uJ09bnUORQ0/w-d-xo.html Link to Rick not being impressed by the episode at all 😁 He was pretty much the same level of interested in GoT as Nameless Man, maybe Rick had even less of an interest in the show.
I get why Nameless Man didn't like the episode, KIND OF. I think he felt it was like too much cgi everywhere, I can kind of see that. But I whole-heartedly disagree with him on his stance that that isn't what a real battle would feel like. I don't know if he thinks a real battle is 2 rows of people fighting the person in front of them or what. In a real life battle, you would have people fighting all around you, pretty much the same as here.
There cames a point when if you cant watch it, you have to stop. The violence is too much for them. I could understand that maybe the plot of the battle is standard, but the battle itself is spectacular and you cant see the cgi. The CGI was basically used to make it look like there are more people, but everything else was real. People felt, jumped from their horses, Kit had to stay in front of running horses. The exchange of opinions was akward. I understand why you and them stopped.