@WindTheBrave You really think KD and Steph aren't generational talents? Really? KD probably the only tall, lenghty player that can do anything on the offense and steph the greatest shooter of all time.
they just need to keep the guy sub 10%bf, he NEEDS to lose some mass, it won't hurt him in the paint that much, dude's built like a demigod. They have the means to shave off his flab and keep the godlike strength.
He really don’t. The issue isn’t his weight, it’s his landing mechanics. Dudes a freak of nature, that’s why he can jump so high. If he can produce that amount of force to go up that high with that mass, he has the strength to land PROPERLY. That’s what derailed D Rose’s career at 190 lbs, he had horrible mechanics. Then look at Westbrook. Dude was an iron man until that Pat Bev incident. It’s not nuclear athleticism that’s the issue, it’s all in the way you run, jump, and move in general. The way Rose landed every time was stressing his joints and ligaments when it should have been his muscles doing the work. And Zion has a lot of muscle to work with. Go watch any highlight reel of Fred VanVleet, dude breaks his fall on every layup. What he’s doing is he’s redirecting and dispersing the force elsewhere instead of absorbing it all into his legs. The way Zion lands makes me cringe sometimes, so I’m afraid his career might be plagued by injuries.
brotherdandy that's not really his game. He probably won't ever be fluid enough to pull out Hakeem's moves on a regular basis but he'll definitely get buckets in his own way.
2 videos from J. Kyle Mann in the span of a week. Wow probably the bets thing that’s happened this year. Please upload more my guy! My favorite channel on TH-cam rn.
Moneybagbandz yeah trust it’s the organisation’s top most priority. They’ll allow Zion to go to Germany for a few quick trips and he’ll come back as a super human
I don’t agree with the Lonzo pairing. Imagine paring him with a guard who can run pick and roll and be a legit threat to pass/score from actions involving either one of them. Lonzo is good passing in transition, and is a good defender. I just think his lack of scoring threat keeps him from being zions perfect running mate. Imagine a prime Conley or a dame lillard with Zion? In terms of youngguards I think funnily enough that ja morant is probably the perfect match for him
It is so exciting to think that the next generation of players who run the league are zion, ja, luka. Can wait for them to reach their prime. How exciting the nba will be
the fact that no amount of separation is enough to prevent a block and no amount of pressure is enough to stop a dunk, he can't shoot much from behind the arch but has a decent mid range, he can grab boards and go to work, has good footwork, size, strength and his vertical is insane and he seems to be healthy so... pretty much his insane genetics paired up with average nba skill
I don’t agree with everything that you’re saying. However I love your breakdowns and you do have a lot of great points. For Zion I can’t see his body being able to take the NBA load for that long without being riddled with injury
He's gonna have to get down to 250-260 if he wants to play the way he does currently. Otherwise yeah, you're 100% right. I think the injury thing has been talked to death by the sports media and Kyle focused purely on basketball related things.
I still think they need to reduce his weight in the near future or he will have a short career. He is a freak athlete unlike any I think I've seen, but the laws of physics still apply on knees and ankles.
I think the ceiling for Zion is a Giannis type talent and player. His bread and butter is always going to be his drives to the rim and absolutely insane athleticism but it's not inconceivable that he could work the level of playmaking, ball handling, shot creation, craftiness, and occasional 3 point shooting that Giannis has into his game. The biggest concern for me is will his body hold up. 6'6" is just not meant to handle 285 lbs over multiple 82 game seasons of basketball
I think he is good because he has a lot of effort. What he does is not something spetacular surreal, but most people don't do it because they're lazy, check most of centers, they don't try much, not even the good ones. Look at how unathletic Jokic is, he doesn't try much (physically speaking). Jokic is really good, but imagine how good he would be if he took care of his body and put more effort in his game. What Zion does is not something different, but it's beautifull because he puts so much effort on this that it works, just like Antetokounmpo
Zion's build has to lead people to question his future durability. I disagree. He's making passes most forwards could only dream of making out of double teams. We heard it all. He can only dunk. All hype. He won't be able to score in the NBA other than in the paint, and his handles/passing aren't great. But one thing Zion is great is picking his shots, working the post, and grabbing rebounds with the ferocity of Rodman reincarnated. He never gives up a play. Zion, Luka, Ja Morant, Trae, Tatum, and a lot more studs are the future of the NBA. And I'm fucking excited to watch this new brand of basketball.
He's still so raw offensively too. He is gonna be trouble for the rest of the league for a while unless he doesn't add to his game (which is very unlikely)
It's amazing that we have a player that abuses small players. It's like Jalen Rose said the other day: most big men in the league don't use size mismatches to their advantage anymore. They aren't dominant enough in that regard.
"Thiccarus" 😂
I legit laughed as well that was one hell of a line
a goat nickname
It'll never catch but that should be nickname.
One of the funniest things the ringer has done
Matthew Portman i started choking on my laugh phenomenal
The Ringer is by far my favourite source for ball, shoutout Kevin O'Connor
I miss Dime Drop... J. Kyle Mann's analysis and his voice makes it absolutely easy to listen to. But yes KOC is the fucking man.
Kevin O'Bomber
Kevin O’Conflict
Thinking Basketball is good too
Mike Posner Kevin O “Candyland”
Yo did you really just call this man “thicarus” 😂💀
That’s what I’m calling him from now on
Get kinky
He is what the NBA needs right now
Crazy how someone usually comes at the exact right time
A R I like Zion, but what do you mean? We’ve had some insane talent the last couple years
@@OhShootKid I think it's more about his style of play. We have plenty of long shooters. So a Charles Barkley-esque hulk is a nice change
@WindTheBrave agree with you but Steph is a generational talent that changed the game
@WindTheBrave You really think KD and Steph aren't generational talents? Really? KD probably the only tall, lenghty player that can do anything on the offense and steph the greatest shooter of all time.
@WindTheBrave Oh I see what you mean, I agree but at the same thing I'd add Curry there.
Zach Randolph just like today or yesterday announced he’s joining the big 3
ZYup. After an endorsement deal, they even decided to change the name to the THICC 3. Not sure how it will affect sales. Only time will tell
Thiccworld
Zion the "next zach randolph" Williamson
john appleseed okay 😂
He’s a super explosive Zach Randolph
Does Kyle Mann ever miss? Like seriously this is the best show on TH-cam rn, is that just me?
Debatable lol.
Mad talent + huge heart and drive = Zion
Rick Frye mad+huge=robin lopez
That Godzilla clip got me
so good!
Big shoutout to the editor for that super old school clip
Yeah lol
Damn if he stays healthy through his career he's going to be one of the best ever.
they just need to keep the guy sub 10%bf, he NEEDS to lose some mass, it won't hurt him in the paint that much, dude's built like a demigod. They have the means to shave off his flab and keep the godlike strength.
He really don’t. The issue isn’t his weight, it’s his landing mechanics. Dudes a freak of nature, that’s why he can jump so high. If he can produce that amount of force to go up that high with that mass, he has the strength to land PROPERLY. That’s what derailed D Rose’s career at 190 lbs, he had horrible mechanics. Then look at Westbrook. Dude was an iron man until that Pat Bev incident. It’s not nuclear athleticism that’s the issue, it’s all in the way you run, jump, and move in general. The way Rose landed every time was stressing his joints and ligaments when it should have been his muscles doing the work. And Zion has a lot of muscle to work with. Go watch any highlight reel of Fred VanVleet, dude breaks his fall on every layup. What he’s doing is he’s redirecting and dispersing the force elsewhere instead of absorbing it all into his legs. The way Zion lands makes me cringe sometimes, so I’m afraid his career might be plagued by injuries.
@@LukyBlakat he is fat. He is, plus, weight aggraVates his landings and makes the bad ones worse.
@@RagingRugbyst Zions not fat. He is big boned.
LifeIsGrey he’s not fat, dude is just built different. Fat is Jokic. Zion is just THICC.
7:38 ... that is a !really! good suggestion
Zach Randolph's playing in the Big3 now btw
zion is larry johnson's & Z-bo's roided up love child
a bit of Sir Charles as well
Great analysis! I love these video. Tell Bill to give you a raise and do more of these.
Imaging the damage Zion will do if he learns “The Dream Snake”. I can already see defenders flying into the first row on the ball fake.
brotherdandy that's not really his game. He probably won't ever be fluid enough to pull out Hakeem's moves on a regular basis but he'll definitely get buckets in his own way.
Info 809 Hakeem was one of the greatest Post players and centers of all time. “The only move he had” 😂😂 that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Info 809 you're an idiot
@@CodeineAbdulJabbar he deleted his comment lol
Shake*
the way he skips while running has him always ready to use that vertical in an instant, that's what I believe, and it keeps him shifty
Thiccarus has got to be one of the best puns I've heard in a while.
THANK U KYLE J MANN
J Kyle Mann makes the best basketball videos on the internet! Go argue with your ancestors
For me it's a coin flip with him and ThinkingBasketball. Both are amazing.
@@nosrellom I like thinkingbasketball. But Kyle's humor puts him over the edge for me. Theyre both great speakers and very knowledgable tho
@@nosrellom love thinking basketball as well, both are great to be fair!
@@k.rick_9993 same here
Check out the thinkingbasketball podcast. They have one episode where they collaborated
Almost spat my lunch out when I heard Thiccarus, spat my lunch out with the Toho Godzilla footage. J Kyle MY MANN
2 videos from J. Kyle Mann in the span of a week. Wow probably the bets thing that’s happened this year. Please upload more my guy! My favorite channel on TH-cam rn.
HE IS 19 THAT ALONE SHOULD BE CRAZY BUT NOWADAYS WE EXPECT SOOO MUCH JUST APPRECIATE GREATNESS
This video made my lunch so damn good.
Did y’all call him Thiccarus in the beginning lmaooo
I just hope he's able to stay healthy. Every time he jumps I worry especially with some of those landings
Moneybagbandz broskie is the chosen one don’t have to worry
@@metroboomin4981 so was D-Rose
Max 117 D-rose wasn’t protected by the higher powers. Zion is what makes the most money for the NBA meaning that he gains immunity to everything
@@metroboomin4981 You think Adam Silver can prevent injuries to certain players?
Moneybagbandz yeah trust it’s the organisation’s top most priority. They’ll allow Zion to go to Germany for a few quick trips and he’ll come back as a super human
Amazing vid as always, the Zeebo advice is key. Him and Lonzo are the perfect combo it seems
Zeebo!! Good one!!!
I don’t agree with the Lonzo pairing. Imagine paring him with a guard who can run pick and roll and be a legit threat to pass/score from actions involving either one of them. Lonzo is good passing in transition, and is a good defender. I just think his lack of scoring threat keeps him from being zions perfect running mate. Imagine a prime Conley or a dame lillard with Zion? In terms of youngguards I think funnily enough that ja morant is probably the perfect match for him
Wiggy J Have you seen Zo's scoring recently?
Not even a Pelicans fan but hope Zion and the current roster stay put and dominate in a few years.
3:08 I lost it. LMAO XD
J. Kyle Mann's vids and the NBA desktop are by far the best things about The Ringer.
It is so exciting to think that the next generation of players who run the league are zion, ja, luka. Can wait for them to reach their prime. How exciting the nba will be
look at how much attention Zion demands 4:51 creates so much space for everyone else holy
“Keeping him away from the rim is like trying to Keep Nicholas Cage a way from crappy movie scripts” hahaha
the fact that no amount of separation is enough to prevent a block and no amount of pressure is enough to stop a dunk, he can't shoot much from behind the arch but has a decent mid range, he can grab boards and go to work, has good footwork, size, strength and his vertical is insane and he seems to be healthy so... pretty much his insane genetics paired up with average nba skill
Great analysis. That was awesome watching him and LeBron both have incredible 4th quarters Sunday night
There really is no one like Zion. Its 1 in century player
I've been following your personal videos for a long time and you never disappoint. Thank you!
so glad he's on my team
I don’t agree with everything that you’re saying. However I love your breakdowns and you do have a lot of great points. For Zion I can’t see his body being able to take the NBA load for that long without being riddled with injury
He's gonna have to get down to 250-260 if he wants to play the way he does currently. Otherwise yeah, you're 100% right. I think the injury thing has been talked to death by the sports media and Kyle focused purely on basketball related things.
Kyle youre a analytic god and that Lebowski reference was hilarious
It's finally good to be a pels fan again
That shoutout to Zach Randolph is
Can’t get enough of these... needdddd moreeee
Props to the music director for the Ringer!
I agree, and the beat behind your vid BANGS. Nice.
Amazing job as always by Kyle Mann, so happy he joined the Ringer!
I could listen to this voice all day
That last play was insane, look where he caught the ball and got it to go in
best basketball videos on the internet and its not even close
Impressed by the instructive explanation of the video! This guy seems very aware of various aspects of athletics and sports.
him outjumping dwight on a rebound was ridiculous
Very good analysis, hope Zion becomes the best player in the world soon...
Absolutely outstanding content. This rocks, thanks Ringer.
How have you not done a jokic vid like this yet j kyle?
Cuz Jokic isn’t a rookie
Zion could be a hall of fame running back, d-lineman, or tighted if he played football
6’6 285 is wayyyyy too big for a running back
@@roccopavone1600 not if youre that athletic
Been waiting for this one ☝️
And thats what we in the industry call:first
I still think they need to reduce his weight in the near future or he will have a short career. He is a freak athlete unlike any I think I've seen, but the laws of physics still apply on knees and ankles.
Kyle droppin heat as usual
Zion is the kind of kid everybody roots for.
Dime Drop🔥
Imagine Zion and Jah teaming up? OMG
I think the ceiling for Zion is a Giannis type talent and player. His bread and butter is always going to be his drives to the rim and absolutely insane athleticism but it's not inconceivable that he could work the level of playmaking, ball handling, shot creation, craftiness, and occasional 3 point shooting that Giannis has into his game. The biggest concern for me is will his body hold up. 6'6" is just not meant to handle 285 lbs over multiple 82 game seasons of basketball
I almost spit my coffee when "Typical Zion pro hop" was on the screen LMAO!!
That Thicarus line was dope bro
Best channel out there
Kinda want an update on this video.
If he took more attempts throughout the game he would be insane. If you have seen his games he is reserved.
WHO MAKES THESE GRAPHICS!!! THEY'RE SO GOOD.
I believe it's his wife, if I'm not mistaken
This man will be the next Goat
He definitely has what it takes
I think he is good because he has a lot of effort. What he does is not something spetacular surreal, but most people don't do it because they're lazy, check most of centers, they don't try much, not even the good ones. Look at how unathletic Jokic is, he doesn't try much (physically speaking). Jokic is really good, but imagine how good he would be if he took care of his body and put more effort in his game. What Zion does is not something different, but it's beautifull because he puts so much effort on this that it works, just like Antetokounmpo
I miss your dime drop content
as a sad Knicks fan can you give me an rj report?
Hes definitely going to benefit from this super long offseason they have had
Zion's build has to lead people to question his future durability. I disagree. He's making passes most forwards could only dream of making out of double teams.
We heard it all. He can only dunk. All hype. He won't be able to score in the NBA other than in the paint, and his handles/passing aren't great. But one thing Zion is great is picking his shots, working the post, and grabbing rebounds with the ferocity of Rodman reincarnated. He never gives up a play.
Zion, Luka, Ja Morant, Trae, Tatum, and a lot more studs are the future of the NBA. And I'm fucking excited to watch this new brand of basketball.
if he improves the way you described he's the next "one" up with a chance to earn a spot on basketballs mount rushmore
His finishing when he's not dunking is also so damn good
Man i wish lonzo never left my lakers :( i miss him
7:40 I was just about to type that
That was a great piece on Zion!
just to let you know, i always agree with you j kyle mann
Effort being uneven from offense to defense = entire modern NBA with few specialist exceptions
The Icarus analogy was so damn fire
Consistent and high quality videos :)
Zo Zion and BI will be amazing next season
Zion Williamson is basically in-shape Barkley + Rodman
Zion + Ringer, I click
Crazy how the first time I saw him in an NBA game, I thought 'Zach Randolph needs to work with this kid'
here before 1M
The memes are top notch
Loved the old Godzilla clip too
He's still so raw offensively too. He is gonna be trouble for the rest of the league for a while unless he doesn't add to his game (which is very unlikely)
I see Dime Drop, I click
You should turn the music down a bit, but the content is good
Got my like for Thicarus. Dime Drop is still best part of this channel
We didn’t need this video to know that
THICKARUS - god damn that cold 🥶
Thiccarus.
Instant like.
Great video
Would love to see a Rui Hachimura rookie report!!
It's amazing that we have a player that abuses small players. It's like Jalen Rose said the other day: most big men in the league don't use size mismatches to their advantage anymore. They aren't dominant enough in that regard.
He is old school . This is how bigs played back in the day.