I worked at AM General for 39 years, and live down the street from them. I test drove them (they had to have 10 miles driven on a hard surface), I also worked on the HUMMERs. They are still building HUMVEE's and are starting to build the other replacement vehicles also.
39 years? That was a long, dedicated career! My older brother bought a new, consumer version of the Humvee in the late 1990's. The first thing I noticed was how W I D E it was. Between its width and the Diesel humming along, you could almost wish for an intercom between the passenger and driver :)
@@gregparrott Yeah I built everything from postal vehicles; M-151 jeeps to 2and a half ton to M-809's and M-39's, on of which my neighbor bought surplus that I probably worked on. I also built city buses and was the initial build team for the Hummers, got to meet Arnold Schwarseneggar too. I primarily was quality control most of the time test driving them. I spent my last few years working at SPLO (Service Parts and Logistics) packing and shipping spare parts including those Armor kits during the Gulf war and Afghanistan.
@@gregparrott Yeah, he is an enthusiast, lol! Sadly all this came about just as high gas prices hit the US and the HUMMER became the poster child of excess.
One of the biggest problems with the Military and their vehicles is that they try to turn every new vehicle into a TANK. A humvee is larger than it's predecessor, uses more fuel, and has much less armor than a Bradley or even the M113 series. It is under armored and over used, thereby becoming one of the favorite targets for enemy forces. It is a versatile work horse, but it is not a tank, and should never have been turned an armored assault vehicle.
Well. I went to war in a soft skin. Then rhe IED became huge and we got armored ones. So... good move as they saved alot of lives while waiting on MRAPS
@@JoshStrickland-n8x Smart move, but it took too long to implement. I was in a Mech Inf. unit when the jeeps were phased out. Shortly after we got the Humvees, the Army put TOW on them and tried to run them in the same Combat roles as the M113, and moved the M113 up into the Battle formations alongside the M60s. Then we got M1A to replace the M60, and three years later we were upgraded to Bradley IFV. Shortly after that they swapped out the Bradley and gave us Strykers, so we could mount 105 mm guns. While I was in Vietnam, they regularly put .50 cal M2 on the jeeps. Sometimes they even tried running with a 106 recoilless on the jeeps. Again, up-gunned way beyond their design capabilities. Happy you made it back home.
@@John.S.Patton Yes, but we had problems with the machine gun floor mounts breaking out due to high speed driving over rough terrain, and they had a tendency to tip over when fired long bursts while sitting sideways on a hillside or embankment. Operator error, but still a problem. Also, the suspension had a tendency to fold under when traversing laterally across a hillside. But if you knew these things might happen and you didn't drive like Rat Patrol, you were probably going to be OK. Damn I miss that Jeep. It was fun in a non combat situation.
The trouble with the Humvee is it was not replaced sooner. The government set out specs for what became the Jeep. That was replaced by the M38 in 1949 but there was a call to replace it already in 1951 although it took quite a while for the new replacement to become standard. Still it stayed in service much longer but the replacement wasn't needed. At the end of the Cold War they did the same as did at the end of the Vietnam War with the Hummer. The sad thing was they needed a light weight scout car the same as when they wanted the original. The military has a tendency to take a item past it's original purpose then people complain when it doesn't work.
The real issue with it is they used it for a purpose it wasn't designed for. It's still fine for ferrying people around in low risk or non combat areas. The army doesn't need JLTVs stateside, unless it's specifically for training.
@@Jeff55369 That's the army way. Design it for one thing and use it for other things and complain Look at the M1 carbine. It just needed to be a bit better than a 1911, then it ends up in front line combat as a main weapon. I think officers liked it because other wise they had to carry a Garrand on a Thompson which was a lot more work.
The JLTV will be the go to vehicle and that’s a good thing over this Sabre. I’ve seen IED’s pick and flip a 6x MRAP. I can only imagine what it would do to such a small vehicle. There is a need for something smaller in ship to shore operations, but this doesn’t seem like a big upgrade on the hmmwv.
@@freedomtowander some of the latest ones may have been. They changed to a 6.5 when they started up-armoring them but didn't turbocharged that one either so not much of an upgrade. But can't say for sure about the lasted upgrades
Now for the communication platform where do you run the rf cables to the antennas of all the different military radio systems, I hope they designed a platform for the antennas.
besides the fact Germany has build a fire on the move artillery.... in the war u see massiv Air drones... so u can ask.. is artillery state of the art or even future way to Use... because drones are cheaper and have greater Range. And is more cost effective... maybe it is obsolete.... better use this money on drones because they can hunt targets when it is on the move. also Tanks getting smaller because they can be remote controlled likethey are drones and very fast... mmost likly u want be able to hit this with a artillery. therefore only as a kind of bunker buster. or costal second linie of defence
Need an automated (laser or GPS set) 60mm morter system on it. Laz/GPS the target, computer sets round & morter, fire and go. Next. No more than the 60mm. Shoot, move & comms. Even while moving, the system can fire to area (memory) with slew-cap for crew. Crew can slew R/L/F/A...360° from last know, up to 200ft? Area saturation while you move.
Im a mechanic if u upgraded the suspension to bet springs and shock absorbers u could hold that weight better they had ahit suspension for what was needed originally also there are things u could do to the motor to give some more horsepower that the ground mechs could do that u have back at logistics base if u have a good one. Anyway I don't think the military needed to change this iconic beast. Just DOD wasting money like usual
*I fitted my Hummer with all bullet proof glass and doors which only cost me $1500.00 bucks. This is dirt cheap compared to bullet proofing any other vehicle typw.*
The hummer is a better vehicle due to the position of the wheels . That positioning allows the hummer to have better carrying capacity and better ability to traverse rough ground. It can literally climb up the side of a mountain.m
The industrial military complex loves this war in Ukraine to where they can test new ideas against an old foe. Putting a cannon on the back of a humvee is an outstanding idea! I personally don't know why they haven't done this yet.
Ford has a lab manned by the most incompetent pinhead engineers where they designed the Humvee and Ford Raptor. Part of really going off road means you want your vehicle to be svelte and narrow. Instead, they discovered that vehicles tip less if they're wide. Unfortunately, the real world where these vehicles need to operate is frequently not wide.
Easy to say when you're not the one trusting your life to it. Personal training is costly and time consuming, experience can't be replaced. Life of the crew has to come first
Has the military not learnt anything if a vehicle can't protect troops against ieds why are you reinventing the wheel it just does not work for what it does not work
The Jeep is 1/12th the cost of a Hummer. The Hummer is not 12 times better than a jeep. It takes an officer to sign out a Hummer and an enlisted man to sign out a Jeep. Quantity is its own quality!
And now the JLTV that's supposed to replace the Humvee is even bigger. A Humvee is 15 feet long, 7 feet wide, 6 feet tall, and weighs up to 8,500 lbs. The JLTV is 20.5 feet long, 8.2 feet wide, 8.5 feet tall, and weighs 22,500 lbs.
To get a Jeep to military standards would eventually cost as much as a Hummer. Jeep Wrangler Mopar builds are actually pretty expensive Fiat made them affordable for common folks.
@@RedXlVAnd the size of the JLTV illegal to drive on public roads in Europe and most of the rest of the world… (the maximum allowed width is just 8’2.5”)…
@@Ralfi_PoELAOr you could get the Mitsubishi Pajero plant to build them… (that plant got started building Jeeps for the Japanese Army) Or you can buy an exact WW2 clone Jeep from the Philippines…
@@Ralfi_PoELA Most of the time you don't need a go everywhere 4x4. Most military bases are paved. I'm not saying that there is no need for the hummer but there are very few places on most US installations that you couldn't get around in you average family car for about 1/6th the cost. Especially if they buy in bulk.
It will not last Long Another waste of money. I Still have my Alice Ruck both med. and large And my 782 gear for a long time And still going strong 🤗🧑🚒
Just use Chinese type ' made in detroit' SxS for most uses meaning not in combat . No need to have a big dollar transport . This when we can have 10 for the same price .
The detroit diesel engine wad crap if u kept the HUMVEE just put a Cummings or a duramax in it ur hummer would fly and carry anything and not break down as much they are good motors. The detroit diesel was pretty much the prototype for the Duramax i like cummins better persionally. Also it wasn't supercharged the 6.2 was naturally aspirated and the 6.5 was turbocharged and only had about 190 horses. Had alot of issues that motor also was a gas one made but they chose not to.go with that.
No way. That cant be. The US Army is copying the Polish Armed Forces :P Last year we acquired a vehicle (LPU Wirus / Żmija) from our domestic miltech producers that even tho its smaller looks very similar to this new HUMVEE and has the same purpose. A light forward recon vehicle that can go to places a properly sized all-terain vehicle simply cant. Currently those vehicles are patrolling the Polish-Belarusian border.
Oh no worries it's an EV runs on solar only in the day light on days with sunshine doesn't work if it's to hot or cold you know that kills the battery ! But remember the most important thing with a fighting machine is what's it's carbon footprint is and is it better than what the enemy has, because that would be unfair right?
Oh look, it's a Hollywood mock up from 1987 of a 2030 "combat vehicle" made by adding plastic panels to a Jeep... And it only costs the taxpayers twice as much as a fully loaded Jeep!
This describes upgrades to what has become an intermediate sized vehicle. There is a place for a small, simple inexpensive vehicle. It’s called a Jeep.
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I worked at AM General for 39 years, and live down the street from them. I test drove them (they had to have 10 miles driven on a hard surface), I also worked on the HUMMERs. They are still building HUMVEE's and are starting to build the other replacement vehicles also.
How nice to hear you saying these, man. I'm a HUMVEE's
great fan. 👍🏻
39 years? That was a long, dedicated career! My older brother bought a new, consumer version of the Humvee in the late 1990's. The first thing I noticed was how W I D E it was. Between its width and the Diesel humming along, you could almost wish for an intercom between the passenger and driver :)
@@gregparrott Yeah I built everything from postal vehicles; M-151 jeeps to 2and a half ton to M-809's and M-39's, on of which my neighbor bought surplus that I probably worked on. I also built city buses and was the initial build team for the Hummers, got to meet Arnold Schwarseneggar too. I primarily was quality control most of the time test driving them. I spent my last few years working at SPLO (Service Parts and Logistics) packing and shipping spare parts including those Armor kits during the Gulf war and Afghanistan.
@@rwhunt99 Good stuff. As has been said many times, logistics wins wars.
I imagine Arnold said "I'll be BACK!"
@@gregparrott Yeah, he is an enthusiast, lol! Sadly all this came about just as high gas prices hit the US and the HUMMER became the poster child of excess.
One of the biggest problems with the Military and their vehicles is that they try to turn every new vehicle into a TANK. A humvee is larger than it's predecessor, uses more fuel, and has much less armor than a Bradley or even the M113 series. It is under armored and over used, thereby becoming one of the favorite targets for enemy forces. It is a versatile work horse, but it is not a tank, and should never have been turned an armored assault vehicle.
Well. I went to war in a soft skin. Then rhe IED became huge and we got armored ones. So... good move as they saved alot of lives while waiting on MRAPS
@@JoshStrickland-n8x Smart move, but it took too long to implement. I was in a Mech Inf. unit when the jeeps were phased out. Shortly after we got the Humvees, the Army put TOW on them and tried to run them in the same Combat roles as the M113, and moved the M113 up into the Battle formations alongside the M60s. Then we got M1A to replace the M60, and three years later we were upgraded to Bradley IFV. Shortly after that they swapped out the Bradley and gave us Strykers, so we could mount 105 mm guns. While I was in Vietnam, they regularly put .50 cal M2 on the jeeps. Sometimes they even tried running with a 106 recoilless on the jeeps. Again, up-gunned way beyond their design capabilities. Happy you made it back home.
@@oldgandy5355you do know the 50cal for the jeep was design from ww2?
@@John.S.Patton Yes, but we had problems with the machine gun floor mounts breaking out due to high speed driving over rough terrain, and they had a tendency to tip over when fired long bursts while sitting sideways on a hillside or embankment. Operator error, but still a problem. Also, the suspension had a tendency to fold under when traversing laterally across a hillside. But if you knew these things might happen and you didn't drive like Rat Patrol, you were probably going to be OK. Damn I miss that Jeep. It was fun in a non combat situation.
@@oldgandy5355 ....Man, all of your commentaries are real Nice 👍🏻. Details we normally would never know.
They couldn´t resist the temptation of adding the front of the original jeep xD
Oh man, the Humvee hasn't officially retired yet but I bet, the civilian market would want their hands on this new replacement too
I first drove Humvee when I were stationed in Korea 2nd Quarter Master Group in Teague in the 90s work on the Korea pipeline 🪖🇺🇸
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The iconic shape is better looking then new design
Then and than are different words with different meanings, Einstein. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
the HUMVEE, is a vehicle with almost unlimited possibilities and potential which has made it an icon .
Awesome vehicles have proved that they are capable of improving their power
The trouble with the Humvee is it was not replaced sooner. The government set out specs for what became the Jeep. That was replaced by the M38 in 1949 but there was a call to replace it already in 1951 although it took quite a while for the new replacement to become standard. Still it stayed in service much longer but the replacement wasn't needed. At the end of the Cold War they did the same as did at the end of the Vietnam War with the Hummer. The sad thing was they needed a light weight scout car the same as when they wanted the original. The military has a tendency to take a item past it's original purpose then people complain when it doesn't work.
The real issue with it is they used it for a purpose it wasn't designed for. It's still fine for ferrying people around in low risk or non combat areas. The army doesn't need JLTVs stateside, unless it's specifically for training.
@@Jeff55369 That's the army way. Design it for one thing and use it for other things and complain Look at the M1 carbine. It just needed to be a bit better than a 1911, then it ends up in front line combat as a main weapon. I think officers liked it because other wise they had to carry a Garrand on a Thompson which was a lot more work.
We replaced the humvee for combat operations in 2007 by MRAPs. We haven't used them in 16 years outside training
I had one of these when I was a kid. It's called a Vamp.
Heh, I thought it looked familiar ;)
Lol.Go joe
Awesome video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
make it a possibility of adding an additional axle so you can transport heavier equipment
Am waiting for the civilian version of the Humvee Sabre Blade Edition.
Great job guys . I the idea of shoot and scoot units .
The JLTV will be the go to vehicle and that’s a good thing over this Sabre. I’ve seen IED’s pick and flip a 6x MRAP. I can only imagine what it would do to such a small vehicle.
There is a need for something smaller in ship to shore operations, but this doesn’t seem like a big upgrade on the hmmwv.
Aww Geeez! you skipped right over the M-561 Gama Goat. I got an award for never being dead lined for every Alert while in W.Germany (85-87).
Don't
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ngl this vehicle looks like the kind of thing you'd expect to see in the jurassic world videogame.
They should make a vehicle that prioritize personnel survibility and personnel carriers and only a defense capable vehicle not a fighter
We have those
The Stryker
@@theimmortal4718 stryker destroyed from kamikazee drones
@crashercrasher9696
That's every vehicle, though
@@theimmortal4718 yeah i know thats why they should build a vehicle like what i said up there
@crashercrasher9696
We do already. It's called the Stryker
It's impossible to make an invincible vehicle
Energy shields don't exist
The 6.2 was not turbocharged
Nope. I work on these things all the time.
Weren’t later years turbo diesel I think 2014 and up?
@@freedomtowander some of the latest ones may have been. They changed to a 6.5 when they started up-armoring them but didn't turbocharged that one either so not much of an upgrade. But can't say for sure about the lasted upgrades
Only the factory Armored HMMWVs , like the M1114, got the turbocharged 6.5. All the A2 variants came with the normally aspirated 6.5
@ I know na was the slowest shit ever! Thanks for clarifying this for me! Good to know. Considering I may try to buy one soon!!!
I like the HUMVEE , the new ones are the way to go.
Now for the communication platform where do you run the rf cables to the antennas of all the different military radio systems, I hope they designed a platform for the antennas.
"Army tests new Humvee"
Proceeds to talk about the old Humvee.
besides the fact Germany has build a fire on the move artillery.... in the war u see massiv Air drones... so u can ask.. is artillery state of the art or even future way to Use... because drones are cheaper and have greater Range. And is more cost effective... maybe it is obsolete.... better use this money on drones because they can hunt targets when it is on the move. also Tanks getting smaller because they can be remote controlled likethey are drones and very fast... mmost likly u want be able to hit this with a artillery. therefore only as a kind of bunker buster. or costal second linie of defence
You can find on Wikipedia the models that did not reach an agreement in the competition. "Joint Light Tactical Vehicle program"
I thought the JLTV is the Humvee's replacement?
It is. This is mostly AM General's wishful thinking.
They sent most to ukraine and got captured by the russian so they "need" a new vehicle.
@@John.S.Patton thanks for that misinformation.
@@joythought how is it misinformation when its true?
the sabre is really cool looking, needs a hybrid electric drive train though
A civilian version of the Sabre would be great.
The Hummer was good for its time, but sometimes you have to put that horse to pasture.
Need an automated (laser or GPS set) 60mm morter system on it. Laz/GPS the target, computer sets round & morter, fire and go. Next. No more than the 60mm. Shoot, move & comms. Even while moving, the system can fire to area (memory) with slew-cap for crew. Crew can slew R/L/F/A...360° from last know, up to 200ft? Area saturation while you move.
That's AM General promotion. The Humvee successor is the JLTV.
They (AM General) are starting to build those, they had to enlarge their facility to do so AND build the Humvees at the same time.
@@rwhunt99 they may be makinng them, but the JTLV is oshkosh
@@davidanalyst671
Ford built jeeps in WWII
Its a common practice
That’s just a hero with crap put in it. Literally a Jeep wrangler.
M998A0 never had a 6.2L turbo... it was just an N/A 6.2L with a 3 speed.
It did not have a turbo charged 6.2L it was a NA 6.2L it later was updated to the NA 6.5L.
They should look into Hybrid Engines....
A-0 998-s were 6.3l fuel injected, turbo's did not come out till years later
Er.
The Humvee played a victorious role in the Iraq War.
as long as Chrysler isn't building them they will have better reliability
how does it do against drones?
The old one looked like a literal matchbox! The thing before lighters was invented.
it needs a better drive train... PERIOD
I want one, where can I get it.
No.more Gamma Goats! Steering gearbox went out on me twice. A pure death trap in an ambush,there were no doors. You had to climb in and out of it.
If it ain't broke, dont fix it said the .50 cal.
The Australian HawkI, is an ambush predator, viper, or replacement for Land Rover scout,
I'm planning on getting on getting a couple
Im a mechanic if u upgraded the suspension to bet springs and shock absorbers u could hold that weight better they had ahit suspension for what was needed originally also there are things u could do to the motor to give some more horsepower that the ground mechs could do that u have back at logistics base if u have a good one. Anyway I don't think the military needed to change this iconic beast. Just DOD wasting money like usual
*I fitted my Hummer with all bullet proof glass and doors which only cost me $1500.00 bucks. This is dirt cheap compared to bullet proofing any other vehicle typw.*
I thought the HMMWV replacement was the JLTV? 🤔
that thumbnail... didn't we have those as kids with our GIJoe figures riding inside?
The flimsy doors on the sabre were solved by stamping an X in the door skin.
should have armor cover on the sides of the tires toprotect from bullets
What? I thought we already replaced these with LTAV? No?
Looks great but how will it fir against IEDs for IEDs are a leading cause of death and injuries in armed conflict (troops).
The hummer is a better vehicle due to the position of the wheels . That positioning allows the hummer to have better carrying capacity and better ability to traverse rough ground. It can literally climb up the side of a mountain.m
I love the ne jltv!
The industrial military complex loves this war in Ukraine to where they can test new ideas against an old foe. Putting a cannon on the back of a humvee is an outstanding idea! I personally don't know why they haven't done this yet.
Do you want to experience both a battery and an IED explosion at the same time?
This looks like the old GI joe’s vehicle called vamp
Motor T here lol I would not trust my life in these.
We use drones for surveillance in modern combat.
Ford has a lab manned by the most incompetent pinhead engineers where they designed the Humvee and Ford Raptor. Part of really going off road means you want your vehicle to be svelte and narrow. Instead, they discovered that vehicles tip less if they're wide. Unfortunately, the real world where these vehicles need to operate is frequently not wide.
VERY VERY NICE 👍🏻🙂
this is garbage. The replacementn for the humvee is the JLTV. They have already made hundreds of thousands of JLTV
i hung out with a guy that produced humvees. his regular topic was how they were one of the worst vehicles ever made lol
why dont they just buy land cruiser trucks for everything
JLTV will overtake it all, that Saber thing will be export only (that's my 2 cents).
Also, that mobile howitzer gives me WWII vibes.
It s already slow even without the armor and everything. Also it s well known for breaking down easily
I love it
Spanish VAMTAC seems be a better option.
The world is changing, and we have to change with it... lighter faster cheaper is the new normal
Easy to say when you're not the one trusting your life to it. Personal training is costly and time consuming, experience can't be replaced. Life of the crew has to come first
Bigger risk is drones
Like Tanks are upgraded according to the need and demand for modern warfare...why not upgrade the humvee too...
Wish I had them when I was the Sahara in Libya in 1960 the jeeps & 3/4 power wagons coulding handle the sand.
Has the military not learnt anything if a vehicle can't protect troops against ieds why are you reinventing the wheel it just does not work for what it does not work
You can only add so much protection. It adds weight and there will always be bombs you can't defeat
The Jeep is 1/12th the cost of a Hummer. The Hummer is not 12 times better than a jeep. It takes an officer to sign out a Hummer and an enlisted man to sign out a Jeep. Quantity is its own quality!
And now the JLTV that's supposed to replace the Humvee is even bigger. A Humvee is 15 feet long, 7 feet wide, 6 feet tall, and weighs up to 8,500 lbs. The JLTV is 20.5 feet long, 8.2 feet wide, 8.5 feet tall, and weighs 22,500 lbs.
To get a Jeep to military standards would eventually cost as much as a Hummer. Jeep Wrangler Mopar builds are actually pretty expensive Fiat made them affordable for common folks.
@@RedXlVAnd the size of the JLTV illegal to drive on public roads in Europe and most of the rest of the world… (the maximum allowed width is just 8’2.5”)…
@@Ralfi_PoELAOr you could get the Mitsubishi Pajero plant to build them… (that plant got started building Jeeps for the Japanese Army)
Or you can buy an exact WW2 clone Jeep from the Philippines…
@@Ralfi_PoELA Most of the time you don't need a go everywhere 4x4. Most military bases are paved. I'm not saying that there is no need for the hummer but there are very few places on most US installations that you couldn't get around in you average family car for about 1/6th the cost. Especially if they buy in bulk.
I think that if you want to test your prototype, you send some to Ukraine.
The VAMP is real
It will not last Long Another waste of money. I Still have my Alice Ruck both med. and large And my 782 gear for a long time And still going strong 🤗🧑🚒
Just use Chinese type ' made in detroit' SxS for most uses meaning not in combat . No need to have a big dollar transport . This when we can have 10 for the same price .
The first ones were 6.2 non-turbo.
Very low survival if engaged by IED.
It’s more reinforced than the old traditional humvee
I'm glad that AM General is working to remain competitive. With all the conflicts going on democracies need all the help they can get.
Another long advertisement trying to pass as a youtube video.
great another deathtrap vehicle
taiwan needs this ..its good for shore defense..in case of chinese invasion..
The detroit diesel engine wad crap if u kept the HUMVEE just put a Cummings or a duramax in it ur hummer would fly and carry anything and not break down as much they are good motors. The detroit diesel was pretty much the prototype for the Duramax i like cummins better persionally. Also it wasn't supercharged the 6.2 was naturally aspirated and the 6.5 was turbocharged and only had about 190 horses. Had alot of issues that motor also was a gas one made but they chose not to.go with that.
No way. That cant be. The US Army is copying the Polish Armed Forces :P Last year we acquired a vehicle (LPU Wirus / Żmija) from our domestic miltech producers that even tho its smaller looks very similar to this new HUMVEE and has the same purpose. A light forward recon vehicle that can go to places a properly sized all-terain vehicle simply cant. Currently those vehicles are patrolling the Polish-Belarusian border.
Almost carbon neutral as a daily driver.
Hope its more Bullitt proof than the 1s in Iraq were
Why does this vehicle look small 😅
Toyota pickup truck no armour all types of weapons on them and reliable
Jeep😘👍 humvee 😘👌
Oh no worries it's an EV runs on solar only in the day light on days with sunshine doesn't work if it's to hot or cold you know that kills the battery ! But remember the most important thing with a fighting machine is what's it's carbon footprint is and is it better than what the enemy has, because that would be unfair right?
It's HMMWV not Humvee and we already have a replacement the JLTV.
Oh my god. The 'auto cannon' (a cannon on a car) idea is a WW1 era idea. 🤔😣 You're calling this innovative.
Still got FLAT Bottom by looks of it that no good
Oh look, it's a Hollywood mock up from 1987 of a 2030 "combat vehicle" made by adding plastic panels to a Jeep... And it only costs the taxpayers twice as much as a fully loaded Jeep!
They new style bee targeted just because no country can afford that , style , Collective thinking ,NOT,
Carry accident paperwork 📋 and a pen
Ukraine is the nice test terrain! Just wait when American territory becomes a test polygon for Russian weaponry!
This describes upgrades to what has become an intermediate sized vehicle. There is a place for a small, simple inexpensive vehicle. It’s called a Jeep.