How Communist China Helped Vietnam Defeat America
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ย. 2020
- The Second Indochina War, called the Vietnam War in America and the Resistance War Against America in Vietnam, lasted for twenty years from 1955 to 1975.
In America we are mostly taught about the war’s divisive role in American society. The bad assumptions the government made when entering it. And sometimes its terrible effects on its combatants - the chemical warfare and the napalm. Sometimes they will show a 1970s movie or something.
American schools don’t really talk all that much about the other side. How the Vietnamese fought. Their strategic goals. Anything really. And they certainly don't teach how Communist China helped the Vietnamese win that war against the Americans. And just how vital that help was.
The history of Sino-Vietnamese relations is a long and varied one. But the Vietnam War marked a high point of Sino-Vietnamese Communist friendship. The time when Asian Communist states worked together to defeat the evil imperialist United States.
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An interesting side story: In the heat of the Vietnam War, Ho Chi-min visited Mao and complained about malaria that was ravaging Ho's North Vietnamese troops and asked Mao for help with medical aid. Mao instructed Chinese medical researchers to find a remedy. Ms. Tu Youyou thus discovered artemisinin that would later save millions and millions of lives around the world. Nowadays malaria is completely wiped out in China. Ms. Tu was awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine in 2015 .
I see that malaria is very developed in the forested areas of Vietnam now
@@langhoanggia5238 American put there ?
@@trinitrang2932 unlikely... Malaria has been there for centuries.
Thats really cool
@@langhoanggia5238 Have you tried artemisinin? It worked before in Vietnam and the rest of the world.
Yeah we couldn't won without help from china and ussr, and our effort
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vietnam did great against many countries amped with a lot of power
Under the influence of the American media, I am very happy that these things have not been forgotten. The subsequent war between China and Vietnam was due to the deterioration of relations between China and the Soviet Union. And Vietnam and the Soviet Union stand together. And now, we will be allies. Because the Vietnamese flag is also a five-pointed star.
Hope China and Vietnam can be good friends again like in the past.. believe they will
Before talking about this. Let's talk about 100,000 Vietnamese soldiers helping the People's Republic of China fight the Republic of China to help liberate South China. Ho Chi Minh reconciled a conflict between China and Soviet to help China avoid a war. After the Vietnam War ended in 1975, Vietnam also helped China develop weapons by giving China American weapons for them to research. Most of the Chinese people are not educated about it, but only learn what China has helped Vietnam and they offend us ungrateful people. I do not know who is ungrateful when assisting the Khmer Rouge army to kill Vietnamese people and then invade Vietnam in 1979
Very good info.
Thanks.
We hear a lot about "Communist China" but never heard "Communist Vietnam". Why is that ?..
Snake wih two heards
Vietnam is not challenging the western world domination yet. When they will have at least a company that challenges us or west , they will be rocked from side to side in the same way China is being attacked now. The fact is China is too big and deep. I wonder if Vietnam can resist the way China is doing now .
@@akouafray8616 I see.. I am actually confused about "challenging the west". The way it looks, China will progress/innovate with or without the west. How is that a challenge ?.. If I get the top score due to hard working in a class, am I challenging other students ?.. Should I intentionally keep myself down to make others happy ?.. It is totally ridiculous !
@@x-creator4460 Thank you. By the term ' challenging ' here , we should take it to the American point of view. They believe China progress in all fields challenges them , do not forget ; the number one economic power position in the world is up to be grabbed. So all the envy you see around . The word fair play does not exist in the vocabulary of the US politicians.
Vietnam future is depending upon China and other super power countries.
What an insight 👍 looking forward for the next vid.
Dear Asianometry, Thank you for another well researched and developed piece. In the USA an in depth and scholastically detailed understanding of the Vietnam war is available from both the historical US, Vietnamese, Russian and Chinese perspectives in the arenas of higher and advanced education, and interestingly enough within the Military system as well. However the Vietnam war is only briefly glossed over in many Regional Colleges, and High Schools, and not reviewed at all in many others. Regional politics have a significant effect upon school boards and funding, and there remains a level of Political Conservatism in many parts of the US, a combination of an anti-Communist pro-pax-Americana based in a perception that the war was "....lost at home...." and not on the battlefield, as result this effects what is taught, how much is taught, and where it is taught. However once the student is divorced from this myopia, the access and amount of information available from the "enemy" perspective is substantial.
Don't they struggle to teach evolution in parts of America?
Most amerimutts still think they won in afghanistan lmao
lose at home = lose in will
When Vietnam economy improves, it will face the same sanctions from USA
I truly hope not. We really need to have a way to inform American voters (I am one of them) as to the corruption by both parties behind US sanctions. Corruption of the elected officials & policy makers is the single biggest problem that US citizens face yet we don’t even realize it.
Yet its china who always ends up fighting its allies USSR, Vietnam, India next they will stab the DPRK in the back just out of their uncontrollable Han impulse for imperialism. Vietnam Knows if they wanna have the chance to improve there economy and get strong just like the Chinese they need the US to do it and the CCP's fall from grace just serves as the ideal opportunity for them take their place as the new rising power by securing the preferential trade with the US china has lost, then in Ten years when they are the world factory (already well on the way) and china is collapsing under its corruption and tofu buildings they can start unilaterally claiming there party of the south china sea.
@@logicbomb5511 China has about as much chance collapsing as the USA or the EU. Their economy has actually overtaken the USA if you use purchasing power parity. They are investing in AI and robotics. Technology moves forward not backwards.
@@logicbomb5511
Are you crazy?
That's true. Some says China is sanctioned for bad relationship with US, but how about Japan? Is Vietnam closer to the US than Japan during the 80/90s? Idiots only tries to deny the inevitable while smart guys will prepare in advance.
Great info, thank you.
Before talking about this. Let's talk about 100,000 Vietnamese soldiers helping the People's Republic of China fight the Republic of China to help liberate South China. Ho Chi Minh reconciled a conflict between China and Soviet to help China avoid a war. After the Vietnam War ended in 1975, Vietnam also helped China develop weapons by giving China American weapons for them to research. Most of the Chinese people are not educated about it, but only learn what China has helped Vietnam and they offend us ungrateful people. I do not know who is ungrateful when assisting the Khmer Rouge army to kill Vietnamese people and then invade Vietnam in 1979
Good old days , i wish it last forever . Still China movies and its culture still broadcast in Vietnam TV . Really love the Journey to the West series.
VN CN brotherhood
come on, Internationale unite the Human race,peace and love to Cn and Vn
Journey to the west and all chinese media you see in vietnam are canto movies, not han movies.
@@shadowblitzo123 canton or Guangdong,id say its one of the"Han-est" province of China, i guess you mean Hongkong movies,yes for sure.but JTTW series its from mainland China.
@@shadowblitzo123 wtf.so california is Spain 😂
According to historians, the planned Viet Minh attack was originally based on the Chinese "Fast Strike, Fast Victory" model, which aimed to use all available power to thrust into the command center of the base to secure victory, but this was changed to the "Steady Fight, Steady Advance" model of siege tactics. The battle plan designed on the fast strike model was due to open at 17:00 on 01/25/1954 and to finish three nights and two days later. However, this start date was delayed to 01/26/1954, because on 01/21/1954 Viet Minh's intelligence indicated that the French had grasped this plan. After much debate, due to the French knowledge of the battle plan and along with other complications, the assault was canceled on 01/26/1954, and the legendary Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap went away and designed a totally new plan with a new start time. He said that this change of plan was the hardest decision of his military career. And the rest is history.
It wasn't revealed the secret of the plan ,that General Giap thought back, he saw that the French firepower was so strong that the Vietnamese troops would all be killed before reaching the enemy, so he decided to change tactics. He was right.
Nice summary!
Damn this history is so priceless... Thank u. Underrated channel 👍
It’s FAKE. I am from south Vietnam. This video is fake.
@Mathilda april then I'm from north southern Vietnam, and I'm ur momma
@@mathildaapril1175 NO IS NOT BUT U R A FAKE HAHAHA LOL
@@irritatedanglosaxon1705 Haha hahaha lol good one and I like that 🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁👍👍👍👍🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
@@dannytadashi4235 , are you a commie? What made you think I am fake? My entire family was from south Vietnam. All of us came to the US in the 90s. My aunt came to the US in the 70s. If you don’t know, don’t comment.
Im doing a research paper on Chinese involvement during the Vietnam war, can u point me to your sources?
Chinese engineering building roads and bridges way back then.....hmmmm. A foreshadow of things to come.
I think the French were not being ahistorical. They were not stupid, they knew what they were doing. It allowed them to take a better advantage of ethnic resentments, which the French were exceedingly adept and picking up on, and allowing them to play groups off against each other. The French empowered minorities less from progressive ideas of equality and more as a way of binding those minorities to the French. The minorities got more rights and better access to jobs, and were very grateful to the French. This in turn meant that the majority groups, like the Viets would be set in resentment against minorities as much as the French, the minorities would be aware of this and this would bind them to upholding French rule to the bitter end. The montagnards, Hmong, and T'ai, and of course converted Christians were fundamental in French rule.
Isn't that's the modus operandi of all European colonialists?
No different from how the Brits (divided the majority from the minorities and) ruled their colonies in Southeast Asia. Same old trick the US is employing vis the exiled Tibetans and Uighurs in Xinjiang...not to rule but to sow disturbance within China. It's not going to work in China.
Divide to conquer were and still used most imperialists not only the French.
Not only the French.The British did the same in their colonies. Divide and Rule was a part of British colonial Governance. They imported people from the other countries without the consent of the local majority to weaken the traditional power of the majority race. They hated the local majority who would naturallly resist foreign occupation. The problems in every former British Colony today are the result of British engineering of discord and conflict between Ethnic and Religious communities.
wow , your comments are so noble and great about France . But unfortunately, during the time Vietnam was a French colony, 95% of the Vietnamese population was not allowed to go to school and go to school. Drugs are legally trafficked, famines with the deaths of millions occurred during the 80 years of colonization. Not only that, millions of young Vietnamese people became slaves and were locked in ships transported to France to participate in the first world war and then tens of thousands of people died in Europe and could not be saved. return to Vietnam . In addition, the French systematically destroyed 90% of the palaces and historical sites bearing East Asian architecture and culture in North Vietnam after they suffered a painful defeat in the battle of Dien Bien Phu. Should we thank them , you think .
Nice video
The Chinese and Vietnamese didn't get along for most of history, including the present day, but fighting the Yanks side-by-side, those were good times. A shining moment in the history of Socialism.
That's a huge simplification: it was the China-backed North Vietnamese against the American-backed South Vietnamese (a similar to the situation in the Korean War). Sadly it took only a years for Deng Xiaoping to turn around and invade Vietnam :/
@@shazmosushi Deng is traitor.
@@shazmosushi Funny because Socialist Vietnam sided with the USSR when China got into some border conflicts with them (which in turn led to the Sino-Vietnamese War). I think Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnamese Communist Party were a bit more Independent than the US puppet government in South Vietnam was than you’d like to think.
@Ollie Yang it was just bcos Anglosaxon medias, no more...
@@ollieyang4613 wtf it is all thanks to Deng that China is as developed as it is today. Without opening the country the country would have rotted.
Well, China was indeed experienced in beating US army with significant inferior weaponry.
Korean War. Beat the entire western alliance.
@@Rippinkitten18 You mean the Battle of Chosin Reservoir? Where 20k UN troops were encircled by 120k Chinese soldiers?! Funny because according to historical records on both sides, the Chinese only managed to take down 2500 UN troops, while some 30k Chinese soldiers perished from cold alone, along with about 25k combat casualties. 😂
@@Ex.zed. Keeping a fighting posture in the heavy snow until freezing to death, from this point of view, the combat will of the Chinese army is much stronger than that of the US. The number of casualties of the United Nations troops was more than 570000.
@@Ex.zed. There was also a French solider named Leo Major that was able to hold his ground against divisions of Chinese soldiers.
@@Ex.zed. the battle of chosin resevoir was a loss for the united nations or was the withdrawal of UN forces from north korea shortly afterwards just a coincidence?
Great documentary.
My parents were there during the war. They said American helicopter killed their neighbor who was riding a bicycle. They then attached the bicycle to the helicopter and dangled it around as they flew around like its a game.
Your comment should be at top.
@Shaun Smith your parents never loved you?
@Shaun Smith so will u and ur family!
@Shaun Smith american pows got what they deserved in Hanoi Hilton😆😆😆
@Shaun Smith Grow up.
You had an interesting comment section in here. Thank you all for sharing your thought and different perspective. In the world of politics, there is no such thing as allies and enemies only interest matters.
"Evil imperialist USA" - very accurate description 👍
Holy communist China???
Yes unfortunately my US politicians & corporate media still control information & education to prevent Americans from realizing that we are an empire. We have no allies, only vassal states.
In another video he claimed 356,000 US causalities from the war so it's clear this guy is bias in the most childish ways
Now the Imperialist is no longer USA but China
@@robertomanalo6346 no lol
The Korean war the combatants where 90% Chinese and Americans, while only 10% Koreans fought in that war.
That's not true，I am a Chinese. The Korean War was a contest of strength and will between China and the United States, but not by as many Chinese and American people.
@@jerryyoung639 It was a direct war between China and the US, and the casualties were much higher on the Chinese side due to lack of weapons and air force/navy. But I would still say that China came out as a victor achieving their original plan. It was Korea that suffered the most with the highest number of deaths and still divided.
@@x-creator4460 More like due to inconsistent ways of counting casualties. China counted everyone that died in Korea. The US counted only deaths in combat. Besides, it wasn’t just the US soldiers. If counted at the same way, China still lost more people, but not much. Besides, it was the UN forces consisted of some 16 Western countries against China, so many countries got involved that China even held a POW Olympics for the prisoners.
@@megren1207 China definitely surprised everyone, especially MacArthur who thought that he can wipe out the Chinese in case they intervene. No one ever imagined that China could fight with that kind of ferocity despite the lack of modern weaponry.
@@jerryyoung639 Communist China have been sent 2 milion men to fight for North Korea. Sadly, most of them were killed by American rockets. You might search the history film of Korean war for more details.
China helped Vietnam just because Viet Nam at that time was the shield to protect the south of China, If Vietnam lost, France or U.S would be a
big threat to it.
Of course everything is stategic theyre smart men not foolishly empathetic
yep and guess who tried to invade vietnam just 4 years after Americans left?
hint: there's no other country the vietnamese population hates more
Yeah.All of us knew this
sounds like , God has helped you guys to defend your own country, not china
@@bruceliu9436 sorry, everyone has his/her own religion. Buddhism is mine. We defend our country by our people, Thanks
For more on Vietnamese history, watch Asianometry's video titled "Looking Back at the Sino-Vietnamese War".
Before talking about this. Let's talk about 100,000 Vietnamese soldiers helping the People's Republic of China fight the Republic of China to help liberate South China. Ho Chi Minh reconciled a conflict between China and Soviet to help China avoid a war. After the Vietnam War ended in 1975, Vietnam also helped China develop weapons by giving China American weapons for them to research. Most of the Chinese people are not educated about it, but only learn what China has helped Vietnam and they offend us ungrateful people. I do not know who is ungrateful when assisting the Khmer Rouge army to kill Vietnamese people and then invade Vietnam in 1979
Ya, clearly had to pay a penance to the Wu-Mao jackels to avoid the CCP cyber censorship bot assult.
@@NguyenHoangVN1991 CCP is an organization who's defining political doctrine at the end of the day is narcissism. To them "of course its called indo-china cause its meant to be under china".
@@NguyenHoangVN1991 It's not just Vietnam they betray all their allies From the Nationalist fighting the Japanese (who the CCP refused to fight) and are still back stabbing russia today not for the first time with a bunch of cyber hacks.
@@NguyenHoangVN1991 China invade a small border area and killed a couple thousand VN. The US invaded more than half your country, bombed all of it, poisoned entire regions of your country with chemicals causing millions of deformed or crippled births, killed over 2 million VN people, crippling or maiming millions, destroyed most of your infrastructure, and left the country in a mess. Guess you forgot that part
Good to hear more Vietnam War story.
You can simply check the rifles NVA used, they were all type 56 not akm
Not actually true the ussr support 70% of the vietnam weapons that time
China did support and aid VN in the VN-US War. However, it's is worthy to point out that USSR is the major supporter here. Chinese supports dropped significantly (literally nothing) to the end of the war because VN went on with the total liberation plan against the Chinese advisors' will. China wanted to keep North VN as a back yard and a puppet. They just supported VN enough to survive and advised VN to delay the liberation plan. It is more accurate to say that China help VN surviving the war but not defeating US. The support level dropped nearly to zero in the last years of the war. However, with the USSR support in these critical years, VN did defeat America. The Chinese soldiers on VN soil was a controversial issue. They did send military advisors and many support forces but there are no records of Chinese troops in actual fighting. No veterans I met ever told me fighting or co-operating with Chinese soldiers.
That is not true. The Maoist era supported Vietnam sincerely. It believes that communism can unite against imperialism. From 1965 to 1976, he fully supported Vietnam. But the Soviet Union and China began to split in the communist camp. Mao believed that the Soviet Union had become revisionism. They began to fight for their own justice to support Vietnam together.
Before 1975, the main support for Vietnam was China. After Mao's death, Vietnam was mainly supported by the Soviet Union.
When Nixon visited China, one of his appeals was that he needed China's help to resolve the Vietnam War. This is also the slogan of his presidential campaign.
This is the information:
Two divisions and one regiment of the antiaircraft artillery unit entered Vietnam in August to assist in air defense operations. Later, 4 batches entered the Vietnam round. Together with the air defense units attached to the Vietnam aid detachments, there were a total of 16 artillery divisions and 63 high artillery units. About 150,000 artillery regiments and some independent antiaircraft artillery battalions were deployed at various strategic points in northern Vietnam. The People's Liberation Army fought 2,153 times in Vietnam, shooting down 1,707 U.S. aircraft and injuring 1,608. The People's Liberation Army Railway Corps, Engineering Corps and other aid troops have successively more than 100,000 people, rushed to repair 1,778 railway facilities that were destroyed by US planes, built or rebuilt 577 kilometers of railway lines; built 7 arterial highways, 1206 kilometers long, and 305 bridges , 4,441 culverts; built two modern airports and aircraft caverns in the inner row and Anpei; built 239 various tunnels (over 25,000 meters in total length), 9 permanent and temporary docks, and 123 excavated permanent fortifications , 15 submarine communication cables (103 kilometers in length) and a large number of national defense combat readiness projects. The People's Liberation Army naval minesweeping force cleared 42 mines of various kinds, with a total sweeping area of 201 square kilometers, and successively cleared the ports of Haiphong, Hongji, Jinpu and other waterways in the Northeast Islands. As of August 1973, China has assisted Vietnam with more than 320,000 air defense, engineering, railway, mine clearance, and logistics support troops. In addition, the Chinese government has provided Vietnam with military equipment and economic assistance worth more than 20 billion U.S. dollars, and has helped the Vietnamese army train a large number of military technical personnel of various types. In the anti-US war in Vietnam, more than 4,200 Chinese People's Liberation Army officers and soldiers were seriously injured, and 1,100 were killed and buried in Vietnam.
Chinese generals led Vietnamese to the victory in diem bien phu.
@@sidneysun3865 *Soviet guns led Vietnamese to the victory in diem bien phu
@@drdnout without the Chinese, the Vietnamese would not have won in dien bien phu. They supplied weapons, transport, food and trained Vietnamese soldiers on tactics and strategies. Many Vietnamese veterans of the war acknowledged the crucial role the Chinese played in the victory. This was why John Foster Dulles refused to shake the hand of Zhou Enlai at the Geneva Conference in 1954. The Americans and the French all knew that the Chinese was their real enemy.
It was a good old days until your friend betrayed you to advance their own interests. Just look at The Korean Peninsula now . Vietnam 🇻🇳 is a unified independent country.
That's right, Vietnam for Vietnamese self govern is the only way.
You will see, there will be a video tilted "How the USA helps Vietnam kick China but out of the East Sea". History makes strange bedfellows.
it would be "How the USA kicked China and Vietnam out of the East Sea". USA wants it all to be international for USA to use. You'd have to be delusional to think USA would take it from China to give it to Vietnam.
@@szbxaYou must be smoking and tell other delusional. Who is claiming the whole East Sea for herself? CHINA! Why not ask a Vietnamese to hear his/her feeling about China v the USA. Do it.
@@josephng7256 I was with a Viet girl last year and she loved Americans. I guess agent orange does make you fall in love, shame we didn't drop more.
@@szbxa stop the psy op and move you're ass to china gonna get ur people interned
@@TheBucketSkill Lol mad lil pinkie this our land now. Ur second class, now serve.
What about South China Sea dispute?
Should do a how communist china went on a little skirmish with the Vietnamese
It’s the Vietnamese people’s determination
To get rid of colonialists with the help of
China and USSR.
Asia for Asians.
By you definition China was and likely still is a colonial power against Vietnam, considering the Sino-Vietnam Wars
@@alvindurochermtl : not against Vietnam but against Tibet and East Turkestan-Xinjiang/Uyghur
Then why do the Vietnamese hate the Chinese so much?
@@Noam_.Menashe History
160000Chinese troops actually sent to north Vietnam and took the major part of engineering and anti-air Defence tasks.
BS!
Yet still less then just Vietnamese women did!
no Tony, China wanted that but we refused, btw where did you read that news mate
Hiển just stated facts, the units’ document, the veterans’ memoirs, the weapon and the planes they shot down are all available in museum. Many died in Vietnam. For some period of time during 70s to 90s, Chinese didn’t know that Soviet pilots fought in Korean War, I am guess you guys are the same.
@@hien1831 Dude This poor comment section is just over run with Commie troll bots a YuMao. Reality and real news died drowning in all this CCP BS and propaganda being spouted.
You should do a video with Cambodia and Vietnam those are very interesting as what has happen to Afghanistan is similar to Vietnam invasion of Cambodia
Vietnam didn't invasion Cambodia, the video should be made about how cruel Pol Pot of Cambodia is and the support of China, Thailand and America for this Genocide mode. "Red Khmer" killed a lot of people including Khmer people and Vietnamese and violated Vietnam's border , that's the reason for Vietnam to attack and delete Pol Pot.
1:20 Northern Vietnam Incorporated sounds like a killer band name
Vietnam reunited itself with support from China and the Soviet Union.
Reunited...like a guy beating "his"wife into submission after she separated
from him?
Maybe it was just a ego-trip by Ho&Co,costing millions of lifes?
N.Corea also badly wanted to "reunite"with S. Corea.The results were
different,but the"price "was similar. The enabelers were also.
Ah, the ego
@@sreckobrzin8534 Go cry about it! Vietnam is unified and is succeeding. They can be thankful they won their FREEDOM to be independent and sovereign, instead of becoming a spineless, shameless, grovelling lapdog of the US (spit!)
And then after American war in Vietnam, in 1979 China invaded Vietnam, and we Vietnam defeated them again. Since then the relationship between two country have been worse
China and Vietnam united because of socialism, when they were comrades. Once they betrayed socialism, they would become enemies.
@@hulugulu7899 technically both china and vietnam has betrayed socialism in the current era. Neither country is truly "socialist" in the traditional sense anymore. Yeah, sure, china can call themselves "chinese socialist" or whatever it is that they're calling it, but the truth is that china is more of a state capitalist country nowadays. The simple fact is that traditional socialism simply doesnt work, and history has been proof of that. Which is why modern "socialist" countries are progressing towards capitalism or they will collapse just like the soviet union.
Normalised during Jiang Zemun
You just based on your own thoughts or rewrite the history. 🤣🤣🤣
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Losing our common enemy, we are enemies again.
it is Deng's tactics to control China Military under him, while no one mentioned of it yet... The best and quick way is to get the obedient army leaders by involving a war, or, change the existing army leaders...
Mother Russia was glad to help our brothers.
The older generation Vietnamese will remember the friendship of China while the younger Vietnamese love US like their father.
They love the US because the US has stopped robbing them while China is still doing it!
Not really, i talked to many geezers about this topic, although they do acknowledge the help from China but most of them say they never trusted them and always suspected that they had some ulterior motives from the beginning
The fuck are you saying? All Vietnamese hate China, young or older one. China only pretends to help Vietnam the whole time. The Chinese support was nearly zero at the end years of Vietnam-US War because Vietnam went ahead with the liberation plans against the will of "Chinese advisors". China never wanted North VN to liberate South Vietnam. China just supported enough for North VN to survive, their advisors just want to delay the total liberation. The USSR is the only good friend here. VN will never forget their support. China just wants to keep North Vietnam under its control like North Korea now. See North Korea now? It's a puppet in China's hand.
And then when VN did win US in 1975, China is not satisfied at all. In the late 1980s, China wants to normalize the China-US relationship and receive the US monetary aids. China promises US to "teach VN a lesson" by causing the VN-China Border War in 1979, which lasted 10 years, delaying significantly VN recovery and restoration. A poor country, just out of 2 major wars against US and France, invaded China border so that China must defend their land? It's a joke, which is used to start the 1979 VN-China Border War. At the same time period, China and US also support Pol Pot to cause VN-Cambodia War. Yeah, China is the "friendly neighbor" and everybody loves China!!!
@@diehardcat they don’t love the US! America dropped chemical weapons on their country!
@@Auzzzie82 I know, I just use the words of the stupid person who starts this thread.
4 years later...
China : Say Sike right now
Then 4 years later America helped China to counteract Vietnam by providing anti artillery radars and anti tank missile technologies.
Bullshit we sanctions Vietnam for invading Cambodia even though they were the one to get rid of Khmer Rogues.
In 1974 (during the time N.Vietnam fought South VN) China occupied the Paracels of Vietnam, the US prevented the South Vietnamese troops from retaking them
forgot to mention
Ho Chi Minh went to US for help for independence first
BEFORE turning to anybody else.
It seemed the 2 nations have much in common,
Rights to SElf determination, No to taxation without representation etc.
Only to face White Racism at the White House.
White America promptly sent Arms to French in INdoChina.
See French War against VietNam - an exact rehearsal for US-Vietnam War.
Back to that time, if US helped us Vietnam, now China is only a province of Vietnam
yea things is Ho chi minh directly sent letters to US presidents but he was always ignored even at the Paris peace conference after ww1.
If anything one can say its the west fault for starting tensions in the South China Sea and indochina in general. Had western countries not been so selfish these conflicts would’ve never happened in the beginning
Somewhat like the victory for Afghanistan, in the Afghan-Soviet War of the late 1970's through the late 1980's, the victory for North Viet Nam was determined by the technology that was made available from another country. For Afghanistan it was the shoulder launched Stinger missiles, for North Viet Nam in the mid 60s it was the SAMs (Surface to Air Missiles) and other military aid provided by China that made the difference. The U.S. had the Viet Nam War won in 1966. Then we proceeded to lose the war from then on.
Technology dont win wars by itself, for example the KSA have a lot of tech but still loses wars.
Not really, Saigon got the best tech and support but they still lose very quickly after Americans left. Soviet SAM didn't stop any of the major bombing campaign in Vietnam. China and and Soviet aid were more economic and basic weaponry rather than advance tech as communist states tend to distrust each other
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20 years?
Hope the Vietnamese leaders remember history. No China, no Vietnam.
No US, no china. Remember that chang.
@@shadowblitzo123 China has been around for over 5,000 years and will be around when America falls
@@Auzzzie82 China broke up many many times during that 5000 years, do you know about that?!
If it wasn't for the US and USSR, China would still be r@.ped by the Japanese now so don't Chinese leaders forget that! LOL! No USSR and US, NO China!
@@diehardcat, China was attacked by 8 foreign nations in 1900 namely US, UK, Japan and etc...the great robbers..
Vietnam and China have worked together many times in history. Helping each other and both have benefitted. But China needs to stay clear of Vietnam's Exclusive Economic Zone.
China owned this sea area after WWII before Vietnam's independence,Vietnam was a country of dependency before 1885
And Vietnam should have learned to stay away from Cambodia.
@@sidneysun3865 do you have any problems with our country, we save millions people in that war, my uncle went to that war, his entire battalion were killed by pol pot but him and one other. The body of his dead mates were cut and hang over the forest to scare the living ones. He were thought to be dead for months and the family did prepare a funeral, that how serious it hurt to us. You think some second tier history lessons gonna give you the truth to support your half political point of views. It do not man
Yeah, but why did they turn enemies and end up with the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979? Politics can be so fluid.
hope one day China and Vietnam could become friends again. There is really no reason for conflict, after all the blood spilled by our grandfathers for helping each other. I hope the next government will get the stupid island disput over, and we shall build our countries stronger together.
Indeed, there is really no reason for conflicts between Vietnam and China. Now, why don't you Chinese communists return all the islands in the South China Sea that you have been illegally occupying to Vietnam to foster good relations between the two countries?
After the fall of united snake
China actually give up the 11 dash line claims, paving a way to Vietnam border integrity. I think that is a good gesture and good beginning
@@karllarsen8797 If you are Vietnamese, I can understand, but you are probably just an instigator.
@@karllarsen8797 South China Sea dispute is a very long story between ASEAN country that not yet solve until today.
you only know it after china join the party.
you are too lack of information or stupid i wonder....
we indonesian even not yet solve it between vietnam singapore malay.
As a Vietnamese , reading those comments is so entertaining , they are so hilarious
history is forgettable but unchangeable
@@hcjet i doubt that , there are different versions of history, i just recognize them, not believe them
@@DVfromtheeast find out facts happened instead of opinions people added, history basic telling when who did what, nothing else.
The US has this amazing power of uniting everyone against itself
Swear the more you learn about the Vietnam War pass all the American propaganda tainted content, you really start to admire North Vietnam and its leaders, and on the flip side, despise and even hate their American counterparts. Appreciate this video!
Mao said he would resist Americans to the last Vietnamese 🤣
Don’t the Vietnamese forget that!
What makes you think Vietnam forget that? Do you forget the USSR and US' help in the Sino-Japanese War, and Chinese Civil War?!
@@diehardcat @ Ya, helped the nationalists now in Taiwan ! No wonder the Taiwanese still on friendly terms with the west! LOL Don't forget westerners role during the boxer revolution!
@@hylimm The US and USSR helped the whole China, not just the nationalists. The US put an embargo on Japan and so made Japan divert it forces to start a war with it in 1941, dropped the A-bomb on Japan. The USSR defeated the Kwantung Army in Manchuria. They directly won the War in China's North East and thus helped China regain its territories there. Without them China wouldn't have the map today. The USSR also helped China build its industrial base, transferred technologies, sent economic aid. But at the end China got in bed with the US in 1972 and back-stabbed both the USSR and Vietnam. After that, China turned to the US for help building its economy too. Now, it also doesn't wanna listen to the US. Tell it to yourself, why do you Chinese forget all the help they gave you?!
Yes, Vietnam will never forget 1979 - 1991. It will always be etched into their hearts for all of time. To remind themselves that china cannot be trusted.
levilla @ sure ! after the war with the Americans and millions dead, l hope you learn something after all ! Maybe you should suck up to them now !
It's called the "American War" here in VN
Even blood brothers Argue and fight but they will go to the Graveyard together when they have a common Enemy to Fight!!!
Anti-imperialist unity 🤝
But the southern Vietnamese don't want to be "liberated "by the north
China has always been imperialist.
@@herberd5116 because the southern only existed because they were funded by the west..
the day the last us soldier drove out of saigon, they stopped shooting and lived in unity since then
@@herberd5116 *a puppet government of south Vietnam
The Vietnamese had forgotten that China help them during the war against the American
China forgot the millons of dead, mutilated wounded and the devastation of North Vietnam, for example China support the Khemeres and supplied arms to a genocidal government and then made war on Vietnam a very serious double mistake!!Ok that's the old fashion exterior political of China they learn for that mistakes, i think so.
@@edgardoromero9607 either USA gov and media brainwashed U or U twisted the history.
@@edgardoromero9607 yes, a big mistake.
something that should not repeat again. every country have a mistake nothing perfect.
@CCP PARTY USA (Crony Capitalist Pigs Party) Lo nol coup the royal helped by US.
Pol Pot with king help and china help to fight Lo Nol, not keep his promise to bring back the king. And a mass genocide happend. Beijing do nothing because put Communist leader better then the King for Beijing.
Vietnam war on Pol pot is agreement between Hun Shen and Viet.
So what china gain after attacking Viet?
nothing...
viet become hate china
china lose many army
china lose viet as a big partner in asian region.
a lesson in what? losing many things because your ego to become big brother.
@@cocamilo22 Bro, I can’t agree with you more, but China did gain a benefit through this war. This war was seen as a complete break with past friends and gained the friendship of the West. Because of this, 1979-1989, the relationship between China and the US was very good, especially China's "reform and opening up" in the 1980s. From the communist economy to the state capitalist economy, China received various investments and help from the United States. But because of what happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989, the entire West began to impose sanctions on China, and the relationship between the US and China was crap since that. And became worse because US bombed Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia in 1999.
We can see who is the aggressor here.
They hate each other's guts.
Fun fact: in 1979 China invade part of northern Vietnam for invading Cambodia
Cambodia pretty much dug their own grave by persecuting ethnic Vietnamese in their country.
Lol
In these days Cambodians are hate vietnamese for taking there lands
Cambodia invaded Vietnam repeatly from 1975 and Vietnam tried to deal by peace options but Khmer Rouge didn't stop so Vietnam had to wiped out them.
@thanh TC cool story
A more accurate tittle would be: "How Communist China Helped Northern Vietnam Defeat Imperialist U.S.A".
I was gonna say the same thing.
@Dennisestrada01 well, I detected a sh1thead here that's you
The old devil that saved also North Korea from almost certain end.
Same thing for the North Korea in the 1950s
胡志明 was a actually an instructor in 黄埔军校，and he had a Chinese wife at the time.
that military academy is a KMT military academy though LOL
@@orecreeper2128 wow, you know so much about Chinese history. Then you should also know most of the instructors at the school were communist party members.
@@sidneysun3865where are your sources? Whampoa was purged of communists in 1927 and any left would have to go into hiding. If they were discovered to be communists or communist sympathizers, they would be executed.
Love how this comment section completely ignores that China would soon go to war with Vietnam due to Cambodia/Khmer Rouge and USSR in 1979
didn't realize they lost
Also, thanks to American helping hand in last few decades , China has become rich and powerful as of today. How about that!
All the US hegemony through military power,if you understand how it works,US actually using their military power influence to make USDOLLAR the world currency,which mean they dont need to produce anything and buy and steal everything just because of their powerful USD that from their Bombing power
the US didnt help as much as people believe. when a country decides to open up you cannot exclude it from world trade. i remember when i started my company in 2002 everybody had to go to china, else u wouldnt be competitive, so i also went to shenzhen, good times. u know the US fdi stock in singapore with 300 bn usd is larger then its fdi into china, korea, taiwan, vietnam combined? most fdi to china those days came from its neighbours esp. taiwan, hk
@@pyrat3538 nope, richard nixon definitely helped china get to where it is today. They could have blocked china off like Soviet Union and today Russia.the US cozied up to china to weaken the Soviets and Vietnam hence the US and their US backed EU countries like Germany France Britain coerced by the US opened up china's economy, technology transfer, patent transfer, business models, etc... china got to where it is today because the US allied itself with china. But now china is against the US and will one day nuke it. That is what america gets for its weak foreign policies.
*Remember how in the early 70s China stopped aid, preventing the leaders of North Vietnam from reunifying the country, isolating Vietnam diplomatically. China wants Vietnam to fight against the Americans on their behalf, China has never wanted Vietnam to be unified. Previously, China allied with Vietnam against the United States, after Vietnam reunified, the United States allied with China against Vietnam. It would be fair if now Vietnam and the United States allied against China*
At least, China helped the Vietnam Communist Party defeated the invasion of US and reunited the south.
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Sadly, it didn't have to be this way. Mao and Ho Chi Min loved America. America chose to exclude them from "nation building" and supported corrupt people. In the end, the American supported people leave with the US billions. Imagine how Vietnam and China would have been if America had all the stakeholders at the table.
Mao did not
Ho did
You are forgetting the communist ideology. Name me one country has multiple parties when the communist party gained control. That is the problem. VN had a multiple party election in 1946 , and the communist party got to form a government, but the communist party started eliminating all opposition political parties. When VN was divided between the communist and France, the government in the South was people who fled the North from communist.
Not a chance. The orthodox version of communism Mao subscribed to had confronting capitalism everywhere and endless revolution to spread communism to every country in the world as a core tenet. That's why he hated and saw Khrushchev as betraying communism.
Afghan shd reminds Vietnam who stood with her till the end.
afghans were smart. they learned from VN. they surrendered the moment the U.S left.
28/8/2022S
Vietnam's future is with Asia.
Almost half of the Vietnamese Nationals are actually Chinese origin
You have evidence or it's just in your head?! But if that's true, why does China always try to rob Vietnam, its flesh and blood??
@@diehardcat ,
Try again Nim Wit not dimwit nor nitwit
@@yellowbhee7850 You can't answer my questions so you're THE Nim Wit not dimwit nor nitwit! LOL!
@@diehardcat ,
Do you know what a Nim Wit . Don't think so
@@yellowbhee7850I Of course I know. A Nim Wit not dimwit nor nitwit is most definitely you! LOL!
i heard still lots of hates about china in Vietnam. i completely don't understand why its so. Chinese always talk love abt Vietnam & Vietnamese but they always do the opposite. China is now a superpower country, Vietnam will suffer if China really turn hate on Vietnam which is really unnecessary. China always help Vietnam but never received any help from Vietnam, and Vietnam never appreciated. One major fact: China or Chinese never had anti - Viet in any action or promotion but Viet always do. That's not right.
There's anti China faction within the government and they also control Education and Mass media branches, ordinary citizens got conditioned by their information
search up "sino-vietnamese war"
and don't forget about the current territorial disputes between china and vietnam in the SCS
all about geopolitics, vietnam always has ambitious conquer southeast Island,
but they never have that strength.
China is a opportunist like U.S, sino-vietnamese war is just a compromise of China for getting investment from U.S.
U.S is biggest winner of this cold game, soviet lost most
@@samkalapseudo8998 of course the Soviets lost. They made enemies with literally everyone, including their fellow communist countries.
Yeah I agree that China and US are opportunists. I just pointed it out to disprove OP’s “China never had anti-viet in any action”.
Because China always thinks selfishly. You think China helped Vietnam so they can be friends? Lol you are clearly too naive to not understand that the most plastic country in Asia is China. They only helped Vietnam because they know US is waging a limited war instead of a total war, and in doing so gives China a chance to assert their propaganda machine and widen their influence. Fighting a limited US means a chance to win the war, and winning the war makes a good Chinese image. And after the war what happened? China invaded Vietnam. You noob
Same gang
I can feel that you think Vietnam is ungrateful with China and over thankful for Soviet Union. Actually we, Vietnamese never negate that China helped VN so much, but with my view as a modern people, I think China do that mainly for their sake, with the war in VN as well as in Korea. In this grey world, we can't say who is friend who is enemy clearly and constantly, every party will have the target benefit that they want to when they help somebody, so don't say as if we are so rude to China, I think everyone will do the same, if you don't in that situation, as I grow older, I can get the meaning of captain America in Civil War. And for some commenters, many of you can say that America don't attack VN because they don't want, not because they can't, whatever you can say, I just know that right now, can walk around without some unknown people in the street saying that they are governing me for my own sake, it is the bless. VN of now cannot compare to the past, and any country are the same, I just want to thank for all what I have now.
And just about a week ago, Kamala went to vietnam to send the message "America is back". LOL, what a joke.
Back with more Orange agent
Everybody gets help from somebody. The US got big help from France in it independence war against Britain. China got big help from both the USSR and the US against the Japanese too. It's just a matter of common interests in international relations, one of the most basic things.
Today US is helping Vietnam to confront china in South china sea, how ironic it is.
It is not ironic. This video is fake. China attacked northern Vietnam and lost. China helped Khmer rouge to kill Vietnamese in Cambodia. Read actual history books or you will be manipulated.
The communist government love china
The Americans made certain that the Vietnamese hated them a lot more than the Chinese. But it at times it was close. ❤️
but Vietnam bited China back after that war.
When and how exactly did Vietnam bite China? You're brainwashed. It's the other way around!
@@diehardcat you're brainwashed. when and how ? are you blind about the war between Vietnam and China in 1979??
@@winwin-gc4ru No, I'm not blind. You are. China back stabbed Vietnam in 1979 when she's busy deposing the Khmer Rouge
@@diehardcat you're absolutely blind. China helped Vietnam to win the vietnam war. but Vietnam invaded its neighbours, even includes China. that's why China teached Vietnam a lesson with a small scale war. you're brainwashed. what a pity.
@@winwin-gc4ru First off, what was the date at which Vietnam invaded China and at what location?
I’m an American that lived over 7 yrs in Vietnam. It never ceases to amaze me how the VN people hate China who helped them enormously to gain their independence and have their country back. Yet love America who murdered over 2 million country men, crippled and maimed millions, poisoned 100s of thousands of hectors of land with chemicals, ravaged the country and women, left 1000s of mines and unexploded bombs, and basically abused and exploited them during their occupation. Yet they’re so entrenched in some deranged view of history that it’s like trying to discuss things with a maga cultist. There’s just no reasoning with regards to reality with them
This is the power of medias.
2000 years of Chinese invasion and colonization are less forgivable than 20 years of US involvement. It also doesn’t help that China has territorial disputes with Vietnam right now.
@@capncake8837 20yrs? The US was established by invading a country and genocide for the 10+ million indigenous Americans. Stealing all the land by force, established structural slavery, has been at war one way or another since its inception. Funny how everything Th US accuses others of the US is the most guilty of those very things. China’s history goes back 5000 so yes it would have a longer history of conflicts. But we’re in today’s world not 3000 years ago. And as someone who lived in Vietnam I can tell you that border issue was in 1979. Today China and Vietnam are working together as neighbors. Which is why when Harris cane here (and Singapore) attempting to divide China and Vietnam she was told no. China builds, invest, develops. The US invades, bombs, destroys, refugees and murders. Always based on trumped up lies to feed its gluttonous for profit corporate military industrial complex
@@jvs333 BS. And who are you to tell Southeast Asian people and Vietnam not to hate on China? You’re just over 7 years in Vietnam and yet you talk like you know everything like you grew up there. How about South China sea, yeah? Every heard of that? Most Southeast Asian countries would rather side with the US than with two-faced plastic China. Also, I dare you, strip yourself of American citizenship if you’re so disgusted about the US history. Do it, if you can’t then stop talking about people’s allegiances in the region.
@@jvs333 and don’t mistake the US from the original British invasion. It was the British who killed most of those indigenous people before Americans revolted and became the country we now call the USA. The early US governments even made steps to make peace with the natives which was unheard of at that time. Natives died under USA, but not in the millions like what the Brits did. Learn your own country’s history first before talking about Southeast Asian and Asian history. Also, China was riddled with clan and indigenous massacres too, it has more blood in its hands even before the Mongol invasion that makes US’s history on war/violence look like a joke. Clown
How many times? It's NOT LaoS it's Lao.
I was taught both sides in school. You shouldn't make generalizations about something you could not know. What qualifies you to say what is taught in all American schools?
Not just China, USSR helped North Vietnam a lot. We were poor because we were in a game of 2 main sides of the world at that time, capitalism and communism. We were used as a field to test their weapons and strategies even from China, USSR, and the US.
The Soviets only started helping North Vietnam after they split with China. Before the Sino-Soviet split they could care less about Vietnam because it wasn't on their borders. Same with Korea, it was Chinese blood that was spilled to keep the American colonialist out. Today, in Vietnam you have American CIA running around the country, disguised as NGO. Your government allow Radio free Asia and Facebook inside the country. Sorry but its only a matter of time before they will overthrow your government and install a puppet like they did in the 1960's. As an American myself, who hate the idea of imperialism I hope your country wake up before you end up like Ukraine.
No, absolutely not. Vietnam simply wanted independence from French colonial rule. See, after WW2, many states gained their independence from colonial rule. Vietnam did not, the French came back, and wouldn't let go. Why would any self-respecting people allow a foreigner (French), come to your home and enslave you? Of course not, so the Vietnamese FOUGHT. Beat the French, and Americans came in and tried to teach the Vietnamese a lesson. How dare you beat our French allies?! Russia and China are on the right side of history for helping Vietnam KICK out the colonial rulers (French and Americans).
Many people in South Vietnam back in the 50s and 60s knew they had a chance to be a normal country with freedom and Capitalism. They fought the Communists in the North and the USA helped immensely.
Unfortunately the USA left due to pressure from home and a difficult and dysfunctional war.
Now all of Vietnam is communist and I guarantee you that many people there wish the South would have won and communism could have been prevented.
Today we can look at the contrast between South Korea and North Korea.
The South Koreans are glad they fought off the North and they are glad that the USA helped them.
Enjoy your communism Vietnam, I'm sure you're loving it.
We do enjoy it man
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I think the problem is that the older generation Chinese politicians such as Chairman Mao, Zhou Enlai, Peng Dehuai, are just too down to earth. During the 50s the When Ho Chimin asked China for support China basically gave everything they had in support of the north Vietnam. And at that time China is still paying back for the loans that they got from Soviet for defending North Korea. Which led to millions of people staved to death. My father was just a kid during that time, I remembered that when he was a child he was so starving he was eating tree barks. And that when he went to Vietnam during the short sino-Vietnamese war he was saddened to see that the Vietnamese was using all rice saddles that China sent to Vietnam during the American invasion as sand bags. That’s why Saddened him. He said it felt like that the Vietnamese just threw away what Chinese ppl would feed themselves with.
We will never forget that, but we were angry for what China did after the war, they supported Khmer Rouge to kill 2 million Cambodian and when Vietnam come to rescue Cambodia China attacked Vietnam in revenge. They also allied with USA to put an embargo on Vietnam for 15 years until 1995. For 10 years of the Third Indochina War Vietnamese have to eat animals food to fight with Chinese on the border. We will never forget it also
@@vinhlong7347 yea it’s like a love hate story
@@vinhlong7347 since when did Vietnam become the police of Asia? We all agree polpot is a fucking lunatic, but don’t pretend Vietnam invaded Cambodia for the good of Cambodian people.
Also, you can hate China as much as you want. But don’t forget it’s USA that dropped orange agent and napalm in Vietnam, which is still poisoning the kids today.
@@sidneysun3865 If Polpot didn't commit a massacre raid that aim at our civilians in the border region of our Southwestern land and claimed that the whole Southern Vietnam belongs to the ancient Angkar then we could care less about his stupid purges and focus on rebuilding our nation instead. Because for our post-war society, 1 problem wasn't enough or something
@@xboxstudent Regardless of the justification, please don’t tell me Vietnam didn’t have geopolitical motives when it invaded Cambodia.
Also, there is no room for hypothesis in history. Why don’t you ask yourself what if China didn’t support Vietnam in the war against the French and the Americans?
China just helped it neighbor denying colonialism.
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Why do Americans always fight wars at our doorstep, Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan?
Vietnamese people are grateful for that help, but China's ambition has always been to annex Vietnam, the Vietnamese know that better than anyone, so they always hate China.
Interesting thing is, during the 20 years of afghan unrest, China didn't say a word about supporting any parties in the afghan until recently they allow taliban to visit China. Most likely is because China didnt want to accidentally placing wrong bets, and they know that taliban is winning for sure after US withdraws
The USSR lent big help to Vietnam too, but that's real help because it didn't ask for anything in return. China on the other hand, wanted Vietnam to become its vassal state, take Vietnam's sea and islands in return without disclosing it in the first place, so it's actually a scam, not a help.
Colonialism & Rape, USA & Rape.
China & Vietnam are the allies & brothers, the west is the enemy to vietnam and only has done corruption and trashery.
China greatly helped vietmam to defeat fremch from 1949
Rc4 crushing defeat for french, the true commander were chinese Hakka gereral like Chen Geng