The Story of Final Fantasy Versus XIII is a complex one, but Nomura's original Vision may finally find new life in Yozora! Lets take a DEEP DIVE into the story! Be sure to share and *SUBSCRIBE!*
I had a dream it was released as a separate title and contained the original scope and features. I had just picked up my physical copy and was on the drive home and then I awoke feeling empty and angry at my alarm clock.
well, there are still people talking about how the Half-Life 2 Beta was better than the released version so it's pretty impressive how people still talk about canceled games in general which is still crazy.
I still have posters and wallscrolls that are VS13 . I don't think I'll ever be able to get rid of them. I was so excited for this game, it's alittle reminder of what could have been
@@MrInuhanyou123 Literally, has nothing to do with Versus. Versus was going to be a very sad and very mature tale, with plenty of things you absolutely cannot include in a Kingdom Hearts game.
as much as i’d love to see Versus 13 fully revived, it just won’t be the same. Versus 13 was a much darker take on FF and i just don’t see Kingdom Hearts being allowed to take it there.
There's always the chance that it could be made into its own IP as Verum Rex. I have a feeling that KH4 could act as a step in garnering interest in the project, and maybe that was one reason it was decided to be developed first. That way, a case could potentially be made to Square to revive Versus as a standalone title if there's already a proven interest from consumers. Maybe they could even go so far as to alter the title to Versus Rex to be more blatant that this is what became of the concept in the end. Anyway, a title separate in name to KH might allow the possibility for the darker tone that Versus had promised. Regardless, KH can be pretty dark in its own right, so a Verum Rex game as a KH game still can be tonally different given the circumstances. I for one continue to hold out hope for the project in regards to Versus and its original concept living up to expectations despite how it might've changed. Honestly, even if it isn't the same as Versus exactly, that doesn't mean it will be a title that won't live up to that hope.
This. Versus XII was totally a product of its time. You could just feel it from the first trailers. It had almost a FF8 air about it, very early 2000s. As we can see from Verum Rex, if it were revived now it won't be the same at all. Especially since XV is very much a thing. As far as Versus XV goes, it's dead in the water for me... all I can do is just wait for more KH
Thank you for mentioning Lightning and how she could possibly finally appear in the KH series. Like you said, the way her story ended creates a perfect segue into Quadratum, a world of reality. Would be cool to see!
I have a guess that Yozora is a departure from childhood to teen- young adulthood. A departure from innocence the series tries to tie on to. Sora explored and walked with disney characters and friendly folks for the most part. When evil struck, he had his friends by his side physically, at the sidelines, and his heart to guide him. But now he leaves it behind for the sake of love. And now he walks a path alone, with full intention of coming back home.... except we know it's not going to happen just yet. Enter Yozora. More or less a man filled with question marks I bet many folks were able to dig in deeper than I have. But when I see him, I don't think him living in a disney like world. He seems to be "living a fantasy in a reality" henceforth the vibes of versus xiii. This is an opportunity for Kingdom Hearts to abandon both final fantasy and disney connections and try to be its own thing. This world of "fiction". Now I'm not saying characters like Mickey or Leon will now be irrelevant from this day forward cause that's not true. Hell Maleficent and Pete are waiting for their comeback. We're guaranteed some fine disney/Final Fantasy action... but likely in doses. This is Nomura's opportunity to build more freedom with this franchise. Especially since Disney might be more stricter with their properties since they're a big thing now. I'm more than happy to see where it goes and disney freak out what they're missing out on because whatever behind the scenes money reasons to see Nomura's vision thrive without too much reliance on disney/pixar movies to keep the fuel going. Sora has found his place in the gaming world. And he can bring new things to the table. That is why we got Yozora. And I can't be more happier for that.
@@Kaweebo I actually disagree with you. The Disney worlds, especially in 3, were usually confined to the original storylines with some stretches here and there (Mulan's world in 2 is probably my favorite example). KH4 is the opportunity for the series to do its own thing without relying on Disney storylines. I think it'll be better if the Disney characters are fleshed out and brought into a new light this time rather than telling their original stories again.
I just hope I live long enough to see the series conclude my guy! Tomorrow is never promised and these games take forever to come out! People grow up and don’t have time for games and stuff anymore!
I’m just blessed as a fan. Sora is in Super Smash Bros Ultimate where he belongs and now we have Kingdom Hearts 4 on the way which seems to be very different but hopeful and promising.
This man holds on hell of a grudge, even KH4 trailer has versus 13 has that kind of vibes all over it so it seems like he is remaking versus 13 but with sora instead.
Dude, you're the only one so far connecting Lightning Returns to Verum Rex in Kingdom Hearts! Like, I felt it is somehow connected because of Yozora repeating "I will save you" similar to Lightning! And Yozora ended up in Final World, same with Lightning's task as a "savior" taking souls to a new world in Lightning Returns. I bet Yozora is some type of "savior" too. Crazy!
I was super hyped when you gave us that teaser on stream! Now I get to see the full thing! Also, I'm one of those who fully believes that Nomura will get his vision for VS XIII. Whether it's a full on final fantasy game or a unique version in the kingdom hearts series. After all, we did get Sora in Smash!
Me too. I can't say I thought 15 was bad, but it just didn't do anything for me. I didn't even feel mad at it, though I kind of wish I did as that would actually be something.
Me too my guy, me too. More than anything, I STILL want that FF13 Verses game to be released, even if that means its Final Fantasy 17, just give it to us!
I feel you bruh, I was 12 when the first versus trailer came out. I'm 28 now and I'm still waiting on the masterpiece that was meant to be Final Fantasy Versus XIII 😭😭😭😭😭
I’m in the minority who actually love FFXV (one of my fave FF’s after VII) but I am also SUPER excited to see the concepts of the lost Versus XIII implemented in these future KH titles. I love pretty much all of Nomura’s works so the fact we get to see his lost Versus ideas now play into his first original series is so exciting.
@@jase276 That kinda makes me happy to hear. I guess I've just seen so many people rip on it that my point was a bit bias. Everyone's got their likes though and people are allowed to not like it and be disappointed over it what it was supposed to/could have been.
@RoxasTheBest89 they said no to versus 13 being a thing for being too dark and not meeting china's censorship standards then changed it to ffxv kinda the problem with square they only want what sells and the money
Versus XIII was such a *fascinating* concept to me. I totally forgot that Noctis and Stella were originally supposed to *fight!* If this gets remade somehow in all it's glory then I'll be really happy
Great video. Really learned a lot about the troubled development of Final Fantasy Versus XIII/XV and seeing some interesting story concepts from the XIII games being included in Kingdom Hearts. Really intrigues me to play the XIII games again sometime. I remember being pretty excited for Versus XIII back when it was first shown.
Verum Rex is "different" than Vs13 because the characters have different names lol Nomura is just making sure he doesn't rock the boat at Square so he can seed what he wants before he gets pulled off of a project again.
I REALLY hope Nomura continues hard down this path to the point of near revival for FFVS13. I was never much of a Final Fantasy fan, but I do remember hearing about Versus 13 and for some reason being super hyped. I have zero attachment to any FF games, but Lightning always drew me in for some reason, which is probably why I was drawn to the idea of V13 in the first place. Seeing the crystalized Lightning and Sora turning into crystal, it makes me hopeful for seeing a wider variety of Final Fantasy games getting representation in Kingdom Hearts, ESPECIALLY 13 (and 6, I like 6)
One thing i can say, Square Enix LOVES fan speculatuon. Its one reason why the FF VII remakes have been so succesful, as well as Kingdom Hearts. Personally, i believe we'll see the third FF VII remake before Kingdom Hearts 4 or a Varum Rex game. Also, Lightning actually made her appearence in KH via the union x game.
Love that you are recapping and comparing all the connections here. The anticipation for where the story is going to go from here with this concept and characters alongside the KH story is hype. Can’t wait to see where it leads
Yoooo!! This has me Excited! Because the concept of being crystalized was a big knock on the door, if lighting truly shows up as a character (even if it's a secret boss)! I'll be happy, not to mention if lighting does become playable. Lighting could Teach Sora, how to do Transformation's proper and the Whole Class system from Commando to Sentinal! Similar to Keyboard Transformation's and switching outfit's even go so far as to Unlock Cosmetic's based on the keyboard transformation's your using! That be insane! Lighting can truly be a mentor to sora and teach him a couple thing's while he's in Yozora's world! Man. I absolutely love lighting. She my girl!
Oof...typo's. Yike's. I meant to say keyblade's, but somehow auto-correct got in the way...quite the image nation of Sora using PC keyboard's as weapons...ouchie.
I used to anticipate for Versus 13, but the longer I waited, the less interested I became. I was pretty disappointed that version didn’t come true. Instead, FF15, aka, Road Trip Fantasy exists. So yeah, some wish I had.
Well prepare to wait like 5 years for KH4 and than another 5 years for Verum Rex if it even ends up becoming a game! Here’s to hoping we live long enough to see it!
Well, we already have taken a break with the Final Fantasy cameos in Kingdom Hearts III, now it is time for them to make a comeback in Opera Omnia style in the fourth entry, while introducing others outside the franchise were familiar with.
This has gotta be one of the most interesting theory videos I've seen, my theory is that what if sora landed in the world where the world ends with you takes place and where the persona games take place, what if in order for sora to return to the realm of light he has to help the phantom thieves of hearts steal the hearts of corrupt adults in order to return home
I’m remembering that NoName had the Master of Master’s one blue eye in it. I don’t think Yozora is the MoM, but it would be super interesting if they did use that concept of an all seeing eye, that’d be pretty dope.
it was rumored that noctis can access the afterlife in his dreams, what if sora was already dead? (basing on the kh4 trailer, seing as they stated that it was some sort of after world for them) and after the fight yozora woke up triggering the revision of versus 13 trailer.
This is an idea. Apparently (I saw in another comment) that the characters Ham and Rex mistook Sora as Yozora. Maybe there is more credence to that theory you have there, my friend. "I've been having these weird thoughts lately. Like is any of this real or not?"
Я просто ору от восторга и надеюсь дожить до релиза КН4 и поиграть в неё. Язора, Сора и Ноктис занимают большую часть моего сердечка! Хочу больше контента с ними.
Knowing now that Nomura plans on making Verum Rex a real game, this can mean we'll get a lot of Versus XIII stuff there. Possibly even the gameplay we saw in the 2011 Versus XIII trailer.
I really like HMK videos. It's hard to parse through the detritus and find good KH content creators. I just saw a guy go on a 5 hour KH3 tirade claiming it to be a "waste of effort" only because Sora and Riku didn't kiss. Like, bro, I have problems with the game also but to call it a waste of effort? Really?
Bare in mind, Versus had a single crystal of which Noctis was to look after. The concepts about the Fe'lcie* and whatnot was for FF13 Lightning, but not for Versus. I also want to point out that in FF15 (as I am playing it now, cause I haven't played since launch). The Ragnarok Sword is very similar to the sword Yozora uses, too.
Yo, you mentioned lightning potentially getting involved with KH4 and I got really excited! I wonder what form she'd take. Guardian Corps, Goddess form, or Savior form.
theres also the nameless star and her voice actor on the japanese side is supposedly Stella's. either way, I think verum rex will incorporate Nomura's original concept of VSXIII and new ones brought up over the years since its been many years and things change. that's why I think he considers it "completely different" rather than outright denying it
im ngl, i love ffxv, but versus xiii was my SHIT, i remember seeing the trailers, and i rllly loved the darker concept within the crystalis series. AHHHHH I MISS ITTTTTTT
I just want a continuation of Type-0 honestly. I hope FFXVI is successful enough for Square to give the green light to weird spin-off games like they used to. Not every Final Fantasy needs to be a tentpole release. They understandably can’t take too many risks on a mainline entry in the series but spin-offs can be anything. There’s clearly a demand for classic turn-based combat, tactical RPGs, and other random stuff based on recent releases by other developers. Adding the Final Fantasy branding would only further increase the amount of support it receives. The handful of games that have veered from the FF formula have become some of my favorites. Games like FFX-2, Crisis Core, Tactics, Stranger of Paradise, World of Final Fantasy, Crystal Chronicles, and Type-0 are all amazing in their own way and didn’t require a decade of development, a massive budget, and weren’t released with the expectation that they needed to prop up the entire company’s fiscal year. They felt like they came from a place of passion instead of being purely focused on profits and market saturation.
I think this might not necessarily Nomura’s revenge, Square-Enix executive might also be interested for the unused concept and ideas (with potentials) of Versus XIII to be repurpose in other projects, something gam developers do.
Agreed and I kinda laugh when fans say this is "payback" when ??? How is it payback? 🤔 Nomura was very much overworked if memory is correct so while I'm sure his original idea for versus 13/15 would have been awesome to see, he stepped down to focus on his main series (kingdom hearts). Since 15 holds some elements to the original story (not all but maybe a base of the story with noctis going on a trip with his buddies) the original story that was meant to be for the 13 fabula story is well, no longer there because square wanted to pretend 13 doesn't exist (funnily same was as 15 which am salty about because at least 13 was finished) but also the long development it took, Nomura as he states is a story NO ONE fully knows. Yes we fans know what we see released but the entire story details is one we will never know, so probably best bet is he took maybe some concept ideas from that time and reworked it to be more fitting by upgrading the story and fitting it into kingdom hearts more. Thus I don't fully agree we are "seeing what versus 13/15 should have been" because no, Nomura states yozora's story won't be what people claim to be his original vision. Did he throw Easter eggs? Of course, why wouldn't he but he isn't doing this to be petty about how 15 turned out in the end (which imo fans need to chill about the game. It came out which is a success considering the long and very long time it was in development plus, it is a good game with flaws of course!) Just a creator simply reworking old ideas is all so I don't fully agree with fans on that idea but I do believe it's him doing an improved storyline of the versus idea he had but again, WE FANS WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUE STORY! We cannot argue against that so who knows what was the full story of noctis. Anywhoo, a good and cool video because I do find it interesting if we could have a ff13 reference pop up which would be cool! With the new trailer for kh4 there Is so much I think they could do with this so I'm excited ^_^
2 ปีที่แล้ว +2
This whole story is as wild as the in-universe mechanics of Kingdom Hearts
That was very interesting! And here I thought Sora and Riku being transported to Shibuya and Shinjuku was for a potential Kingdom Hearts x The World Ends With You crossover... boy was I wrong lol
I know people have mixed feelings about Versus XIII concepts being merged with KH. I for one, think this is exactly what the series needs. A darker turn! Plus, I am so excited to see a glimpse into Nomura’s original vision for the game. Luxord’s “Impressive, is it not?” Gives me chills! The only thing I will be sad about is leaving favorite characters like Roxas behind. I’m glad to see them happy and complete, but I really hope Nomura doesn’t just forget about them.
Versus XIII came across like "an edgier Kingdom Hearts" and a nonzero amount of fans wanted exactly that, so KH4 taking the series for the darker turn is welcome by us.
@@ultimamage3 I'd say Versus being cancelled and then used as the fuel for KH4 is happy accident and propably better choice. KH being based around cancelled game sounds pretty meta-level nonsense which can be more entertaining than any of those games alone. Overall it would be fun if series became sort of metaphor for all contract/trademark/company fuck-ups or outright broke 4th wall. That would more likely make it Nomura's magnum opus than another regular JRPG.
From the rumors and supposed leaks of people who worked on it, Versus XII was going to be way darker than KH could ever be allowed to go. It was inspired by Shakespeare with there being betrayal kills and GoT esque politics with warring nations and eventually Stella either being killed by Noctis or poisoning herself like Romeo & Juliet. I don't see KH doing any of that, Disney wouldn't have it and Square probably wouldn't in a mainline franchise. Which is why Versus XIII was so perfect, it was originally a spinoff meaning Nomura could do whatever he wanted like how Typo 0 did
i’ll never understand the hype behind Nomura. He is an amazing character designer but an abysmal story teller imo. I’m happy with what we ended up getting with 15 and i’m not sure if the story of versus 13 would have been any better with more nomura involvement, even with the glaring issues 15 had.
One way or another, nomura gets what he wants. The man is an artist, Versus was supposed to be his ultimate masterpiece, and Square took it away, But perhaps, that was a good thing. The game had engine troubles, but now that we have Unreal 4 and 5, perhaps that masterpiece has a second chance.
I must admit I personally don't find Versus that interesting when it comes down to JRPG concepts, so while iut might have been his Magnum Opus I don't know if it had been that impressive opus. I think using it as a fuel in this juxtaposed series has more chances to make it real magnum opus, since it is more unique and stranger starting point.
I don’t know if you’re already aware, but Noctis’s Japanese VA was saying a lot of stuff about Versus XIII on his twitter account. He’s still hoping Nomura would make Versus.
Yozora’s teammates Aegis and Magia (idk the spelling) is Donald and Goofy. The colors from their weapon match, and one focuses on magic and the other defense.
5:51, is that not the bigger dude from XV??? As for a remade Prompto/guy w hat... His design REALLY reminds me of Braig. I wonder if the union leaders will be apart of this...
So basically versus 13 was always meant to be a game that would likely bridge Fabula nova crystalis and versus with the kingdom hearts universe. This likely heavily impacted kh3 and the type of characters that would be present, if any, from the final fantasy universe. It also may have impacted its development cycle also and explains why the game is so Disney heavy even compared to past kh games. KH may have been the light to the fab novas darkness before the change to ff15 breaking that bridge. But now yozora, sora, and Riku exist in quadratum, a place without concepts of light and dark.
I've not played much Final Fantasy but honestly I would not be mad if Nomura just straight up adapted the story of Final Fantasy Versus XIII into a Kingdom Hearts game.
Nomura and Sakurai have a few things in common. Both created and worked on multiple game franchises, and both have their most famous franchise be a huge crossover fest.
Kinda crazy to watch this after the KH4 announcement yesterday, seems like everything is being confirmed. Sora has practically become Noctis with his new look...
2 things I am interested in: 1) The trailer essentially confirms ReMind's bad ending is actually canon. A lot of people haven't grasped this yet. That ending also included Sora being frozen in Quadratum for however long. We're so used to Sora being optimistic and hopeful, but KH4 is gonna start with Sora coming to terms about his loss to Yozora, and why they've switched places. 2) Speaking of switching places, because the Bad ending is now canon, this means Yozora is now on a path to run into Donald/Goofy among other characters. Whether they team up or not, I'm not sure. If Yozora runs into them, he will probably tell them where Sora is, but be reluctant to take them to him. I could see Yozora asking the two of them to help him fulfill his main purpose (finding the Nameless Star, who has lost her name). TLDR: Nomura successfully hijacked the series to setup a return for Yozora/Noctis, and I believe a huge part of KH4 is gonna feature him as a surprise protagonist to flesh out his story.
![เจ็บที่ยังฮัก - ม่อน วรวิทย์ [ Official Mv ] จอนนี่มิวสิค](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KALIGSRSjFs/mqdefault.jpg)
The Story of Final Fantasy Versus XIII is a complex one, but Nomura's original Vision may finally find new life in Yozora! Lets take a DEEP DIVE into the story! Be sure to share and *SUBSCRIBE!*
Yo wait a gatdamn minute so the bad ending is cannon and yazora is planning to make sora a lecee so then when he can whoop m.o.m ass he can’t die 🤯
Could've kept it separate from Kingdom Hearts tho.
This has to be said .. let it be born here! The lightning mom theory ! ..
Kh4 is lightning beating everyone for.not stopping sora!
Time to wait 8 years for the Verum Rex and 4 years for KH4 !
kh4 without Disney worlds would be a serious tone and fitting of Versus XIII
It's impressive how people talk about the concepts of a cancelled game even after 15 years. Versus truly is something special
Naw it's Nomura that's special and we wish he was able to do his thing
I had a dream it was released as a separate title and contained the original scope and features. I had just picked up my physical copy and was on the drive home and then I awoke feeling empty and angry at my alarm clock.
well, there are still people talking about how the Half-Life 2 Beta was better than the released version so it's pretty impressive how people still talk about canceled games in general which is still crazy.
@@ShaDowMo5es paaaaaaaaain ...
I still have posters and wallscrolls that are VS13 . I don't think I'll ever be able to get rid of them. I was so excited for this game, it's alittle reminder of what could have been
Nomura is a man that is made of 95% spite and 5% belts
More like 70% spite, 10% creative mind, 10% belts, 5% zippers, and 5% flannel.
I honestly want Verum Rex before Kingdom Hearts 4! I want to see Nomura's Versus XIII being reborn!
Sorry friend we are getting KH4 and a mobile game instead 😪
Nomura said kh4 was originally called verum rex so it's the same thing 😂
@@jaydog1780 your right 🫠
I might not even be alive by the time Verum Rex comes out ☠️
@@MrInuhanyou123
Literally, has nothing to do with Versus. Versus was going to be a very sad and very mature tale, with plenty of things you absolutely cannot include in a Kingdom Hearts game.
@Ano SoraNomura said verum rex is said to still be a possibility so there's that. Honestly I hope it comes out.
Verum Rex is Latin for True King, similar to how Noctis is considered the true king
as much as i’d love to see Versus 13 fully revived, it just won’t be the same. Versus 13 was a much darker take on FF and i just don’t see Kingdom Hearts being allowed to take it there.
There's always the chance that it could be made into its own IP as Verum Rex. I have a feeling that KH4 could act as a step in garnering interest in the project, and maybe that was one reason it was decided to be developed first. That way, a case could potentially be made to Square to revive Versus as a standalone title if there's already a proven interest from consumers. Maybe they could even go so far as to alter the title to Versus Rex to be more blatant that this is what became of the concept in the end. Anyway, a title separate in name to KH might allow the possibility for the darker tone that Versus had promised. Regardless, KH can be pretty dark in its own right, so a Verum Rex game as a KH game still can be tonally different given the circumstances. I for one continue to hold out hope for the project in regards to Versus and its original concept living up to expectations despite how it might've changed. Honestly, even if it isn't the same as Versus exactly, that doesn't mean it will be a title that won't live up to that hope.
@@13thdarkness I agree with this sentiment. I pray that KH4 is the stepping stone.
This. Versus XII was totally a product of its time. You could just feel it from the first trailers. It had almost a FF8 air about it, very early 2000s. As we can see from Verum Rex, if it were revived now it won't be the same at all. Especially since XV is very much a thing. As far as Versus XV goes, it's dead in the water for me... all I can do is just wait for more KH
Thank you for mentioning Lightning and how she could possibly finally appear in the KH series. Like you said, the way her story ended creates a perfect segue into Quadratum, a world of reality. Would be cool to see!
I have a guess that Yozora is a departure from childhood to teen- young adulthood. A departure from innocence the series tries to tie on to.
Sora explored and walked with disney characters and friendly folks for the most part. When evil struck, he had his friends by his side physically, at the sidelines, and his heart to guide him. But now he leaves it behind for the sake of love. And now he walks a path alone, with full intention of coming back home.... except we know it's not going to happen just yet.
Enter Yozora. More or less a man filled with question marks I bet many folks were able to dig in deeper than I have. But when I see him, I don't think him living in a disney like world. He seems to be "living a fantasy in a reality" henceforth the vibes of versus xiii.
This is an opportunity for Kingdom Hearts to abandon both final fantasy and disney connections and try to be its own thing. This world of "fiction".
Now I'm not saying characters like Mickey or Leon will now be irrelevant from this day forward cause that's not true. Hell Maleficent and Pete are waiting for their comeback. We're guaranteed some fine disney/Final Fantasy action... but likely in doses.
This is Nomura's opportunity to build more freedom with this franchise. Especially since Disney might be more stricter with their properties since they're a big thing now. I'm more than happy to see where it goes and disney freak out what they're missing out on because whatever behind the scenes money reasons to see Nomura's vision thrive without too much reliance on disney/pixar movies to keep the fuel going.
Sora has found his place in the gaming world. And he can bring new things to the table. That is why we got Yozora. And I can't be more happier for that.
EXCELLENT ASSESSMENT. Took everything I thought and articulated it. You are appreciated my friend 🗝.
I think you’re looking at this the wrong way with the Disney stuff, but I agree with everything else. Expect Disney worlds to keep playing a part.
@@Kaweebo I actually disagree with you. The Disney worlds, especially in 3, were usually confined to the original storylines with some stretches here and there (Mulan's world in 2 is probably my favorite example). KH4 is the opportunity for the series to do its own thing without relying on Disney storylines. I think it'll be better if the Disney characters are fleshed out and brought into a new light this time rather than telling their original stories again.
I just hope I live long enough to see the series conclude my guy! Tomorrow is never promised and these games take forever to come out! People grow up and don’t have time for games and stuff anymore!
I’m just blessed as a fan. Sora is in Super Smash Bros Ultimate where he belongs and now we have Kingdom Hearts 4 on the way which seems to be very different but hopeful and promising.
I still feel Versus XIII in my bones. I hope you can bring this to life again in some shape or form in KH4/Verum Rex, Nomura.
Imagine if the next subtitled game in the series is Kingdom Hearts Versus XIII
My jaw would completely fall off…
Well, what about Kingdom Hearts - Versus. Or Kingdom Hearts - "Revengence"? :p
@@TheOriginal_Unaleska How about Kingdom Hearts: Brotherhood? (It’s technically Square Enix!)
I will lol
This man holds on hell of a grudge, even KH4 trailer has versus 13 has that kind of vibes all over it so it seems like he is remaking versus 13 but with sora instead.
And that the reason why some of us leave
Shhhh Just dont tell Disney
This and Silent Hills are such a blow to not have.
I will be very happy if Nomura make versus 13. It's like my childhood dream to play that game.
This has the same vibes of Synder's JL, but Nomura's Versus XIII. AND it's gonna tie into Kingdom Hearts? MAN IM HYPED
👍
Dude, you're the only one so far connecting Lightning Returns to Verum Rex in Kingdom Hearts! Like, I felt it is somehow connected because of Yozora repeating "I will save you" similar to Lightning! And Yozora ended up in Final World, same with Lightning's task as a "savior" taking souls to a new world in Lightning Returns. I bet Yozora is some type of "savior" too. Crazy!
I was super hyped when you gave us that teaser on stream! Now I get to see the full thing! Also, I'm one of those who fully believes that Nomura will get his vision for VS XIII. Whether it's a full on final fantasy game or a unique version in the kingdom hearts series. After all, we did get Sora in Smash!
No matter how much Nomura tried to say that Verum Rex isn't FFV13, we all know... It's FFV13. Lol
Hopefully you live long enough to see it!
"And thus, for a time the world mourned the loss of versus 13" sheeit i'm STILL mourning
Same. That and Silent Hills.
Me too. I can't say I thought 15 was bad, but it just didn't do anything for me. I didn't even feel mad at it, though I kind of wish I did as that would actually be something.
Me too! To this day I'm still mourning the lost of STELLAAAAA
Me too my guy, me too. More than anything, I STILL want that FF13 Verses game to be released, even if that means its Final Fantasy 17, just give it to us!
@@TheOriginal_Unaleska They seriously need to go back and remake all the Fabula Nova games with FULL development cycles.
I like Nomura. I think he's extremely creative, but he needs someone more practical to reign him in at times.
Bro I love Nomura's early 2000s style 👌
My mind will implode if we get more versus goodies 😭 I remember hyping it up in 6th grade and now im turning 26 BRUH
I feel you bruh, I was 12 when the first versus trailer came out. I'm 28 now and I'm still waiting on the masterpiece that was meant to be Final Fantasy Versus XIII 😭😭😭😭😭
@@ygo900 Hopefully we get some peace in 2 days bro!! What a journey its been
@@ygo900 same
DID YALL SEE THE INTRO TO THE KH4 TRAILER?? VERSUS TEXT!!
@@advent_ds yeah just saw it
Nomura: Versus and Verum Rex is not related
Everyone: 😏 sure
Me: It’s gonna sting when it turns out he’s right isn’t it
They already look vastly different
I’m in the minority who actually love FFXV (one of my fave FF’s after VII) but I am also SUPER excited to see the concepts of the lost Versus XIII implemented in these future KH titles. I love pretty much all of Nomura’s works so the fact we get to see his lost Versus ideas now play into his first original series is so exciting.
You're not in the minority. FFXV is a fantastic game
I loved 15 so much that I don't want VR taking versus from it either. If we get versus, I still want Noctis to have what was his thing. I like both.
If anything, we who don't like XV are in the minority
@@jase276 That kinda makes me happy to hear. I guess I've just seen so many people rip on it that my point was a bit bias. Everyone's got their likes though and people are allowed to not like it and be disappointed over it what it was supposed to/could have been.
It's such a genius idea that Nomura is taking Versus XIII into Kingdom Hearts, no way for Square to say no unless Disney has anything to say about it.
Why would Square say no in the first place? As long as it sells, it's convenient for everyone.
@RoxasTheBest89 they said no to versus 13 being a thing for being too dark and not meeting china's censorship standards then changed it to ffxv kinda the problem with square they only want what sells and the money
Disney probably wants to make yazora an obese black woman
Versus XIII was such a *fascinating* concept to me. I totally forgot that Noctis and Stella were originally supposed to *fight!* If this gets remade somehow in all it's glory then I'll be really happy
Great video. Really learned a lot about the troubled development of Final Fantasy Versus XIII/XV and seeing some interesting story concepts from the XIII games being included in Kingdom Hearts. Really intrigues me to play the XIII games again sometime. I remember being pretty excited for Versus XIII back when it was first shown.
WELL...This aged great! LOL
bring it on nomura show what you have been storing for us, only 2 days left HELL YEA!
Verum Rex is "different" than Vs13 because the characters have different names lol
Nomura is just making sure he doesn't rock the boat at Square so he can seed what he wants before he gets pulled off of a project again.
I REALLY hope Nomura continues hard down this path to the point of near revival for FFVS13. I was never much of a Final Fantasy fan, but I do remember hearing about Versus 13 and for some reason being super hyped. I have zero attachment to any FF games, but Lightning always drew me in for some reason, which is probably why I was drawn to the idea of V13 in the first place. Seeing the crystalized Lightning and Sora turning into crystal, it makes me hopeful for seeing a wider variety of Final Fantasy games getting representation in Kingdom Hearts, ESPECIALLY 13 (and 6, I like 6)
One thing i can say, Square Enix LOVES fan speculatuon. Its one reason why the FF VII remakes have been so succesful, as well as Kingdom Hearts. Personally, i believe we'll see the third FF VII remake before Kingdom Hearts 4 or a Varum Rex game.
Also, Lightning actually made her appearence in KH via the union x game.
I wish I could follow my dreams with the same passion that Nomura has for Versus XIII
HMK what a time to drop this video. Now that the trailer out this is a great explanation as to whats going on lol!
Love that you are recapping and comparing all the connections here. The anticipation for where the story is going to go from here with this concept and characters alongside the KH story is hype. Can’t wait to see where it leads
Confirmed a KH 4 trailer WILL be shown at the event🥳🥳let’s go baby
The event is a day before tomorrow?
Source?
Where’s your cited source?
@@stevenargueta392 PST it’s 9pm tomorrow night
@@williamjackson8782 thanks
Yoooo!! This has me Excited! Because the concept of being crystalized was a big knock on the door, if lighting truly shows up as a character (even if it's a secret boss)! I'll be happy, not to mention if lighting does become playable. Lighting could Teach Sora, how to do Transformation's proper and the Whole Class system from Commando to Sentinal! Similar to Keyboard Transformation's and switching outfit's even go so far as to Unlock Cosmetic's based on the keyboard transformation's your using! That be insane! Lighting can truly be a mentor to sora and teach him a couple thing's while he's in Yozora's world! Man. I absolutely love lighting. She my girl!
Oof...typo's. Yike's. I meant to say keyblade's, but somehow auto-correct got in the way...quite the image nation of Sora using PC keyboard's as weapons...ouchie.
Yesssssss
I went through some trials, and then I was told to “subscribe to HMK”…time to end this 🗡 🗝
Ooh Versus Xiii, I remember watching that trailer a dozen times as a kid wondering what happened to it
I go back to it from time to time still, what a missed opportinuty.
been waiting all day for this
I used to anticipate for Versus 13, but the longer I waited, the less interested I became. I was pretty disappointed that version didn’t come true. Instead, FF15, aka, Road Trip Fantasy exists. So yeah, some wish I had.
And that wish may still become realised
Well prepare to wait like 5 years for KH4 and than another 5 years for Verum Rex if it even ends up becoming a game! Here’s to hoping we live long enough to see it!
Well, we already have taken a break with the Final Fantasy cameos in Kingdom Hearts III, now it is time for them to make a comeback in Opera Omnia style in the fourth entry, while introducing others outside the franchise were familiar with.
This has gotta be one of the most interesting theory videos I've seen, my theory is that what if sora landed in the world where the world ends with you takes place and where the persona games take place, what if in order for sora to return to the realm of light he has to help the phantom thieves of hearts steal the hearts of corrupt adults in order to return home
“Nomura’s Revenge” is my favorite anime arc, ngl…
I’m remembering that NoName had the Master of Master’s one blue eye in it. I don’t think Yozora is the MoM, but it would be super interesting if they did use that concept of an all seeing eye, that’d be pretty dope.
Thank you so much for explaining all this stuff!! It's very interesting!!
Glad it was helpful!
i always love how Nomura incorporates architecture in to his art.
it was rumored that noctis can access the afterlife in his dreams, what if sora was already dead? (basing on the kh4 trailer, seing as they stated that it was some sort of after world for them) and after the fight yozora woke up triggering the revision of versus 13 trailer.
This is an idea. Apparently (I saw in another comment) that the characters Ham and Rex mistook Sora as Yozora. Maybe there is more credence to that theory you have there, my friend. "I've been having these weird thoughts lately. Like is any of this real or not?"
Я просто ору от восторга и надеюсь дожить до релиза КН4 и поиграть в неё.
Язора, Сора и Ноктис занимают большую часть моего сердечка! Хочу больше контента с ними.
Knowing now that Nomura plans on making Verum Rex a real game, this can mean we'll get a lot of Versus XIII stuff there. Possibly even the gameplay we saw in the 2011 Versus XIII trailer.
THE PARALLELS ARE HUGE!
I really like HMK videos. It's hard to parse through the detritus and find good KH content creators.
I just saw a guy go on a 5 hour KH3 tirade claiming it to be a "waste of effort" only because Sora and Riku didn't kiss.
Like, bro, I have problems with the game also but to call it a waste of effort? Really?
We deserve it ff versus 13 will be back
Bare in mind, Versus had a single crystal of which Noctis was to look after. The concepts about the Fe'lcie* and whatnot was for FF13 Lightning, but not for Versus.
I also want to point out that in FF15 (as I am playing it now, cause I haven't played since launch). The Ragnarok Sword is very similar to the sword Yozora uses, too.
Yo, you mentioned lightning potentially getting involved with KH4 and I got really excited! I wonder what form she'd take. Guardian Corps, Goddess form, or Savior form.
excellent video man! dropped right on my birthday too!
Would rather see a reboot of versus 13 with noctis and crew and yozrora being noctis’s nobody
Big facts
Watching the sneak peak of this on stream hyped me up for this video,thanks HMK🙏🏼
That transition!! 7:45
The plot thickens greatly 😎 I'll look forward to KH4 with great intrest, overall the connection between versus and verum rex is quite intriguing
theres also the nameless star and her voice actor on the japanese side is supposedly Stella's.
either way, I think verum rex will incorporate Nomura's original concept of VSXIII and new ones brought up over the years since its been many years and things change. that's why I think he considers it "completely different" rather than outright denying it
Apparently the nameless star has already appeared in KH, according to Nomura
I am all up for more possible connections for FFXIII!
2 more days hmk
im ngl, i love ffxv, but versus xiii was my SHIT, i remember seeing the trailers, and i rllly loved the darker concept within the crystalis series. AHHHHH I MISS ITTTTTTT
Yozora said himself that's not what he really looks like
You da man HMK, can't wait for the 20th anniversary 2 more days baby!!
Yo, this is the kind of videos i like to see, very informative.
Keep it up bro!
obvious im kinda late since the new trailer but oh my god, i sont know how i never considred the L'Cie theory, and now im here for it
I just want a continuation of Type-0 honestly. I hope FFXVI is successful enough for Square to give the green light to weird spin-off games like they used to. Not every Final Fantasy needs to be a tentpole release. They understandably can’t take too many risks on a mainline entry in the series but spin-offs can be anything. There’s clearly a demand for classic turn-based combat, tactical RPGs, and other random stuff based on recent releases by other developers. Adding the Final Fantasy branding would only further increase the amount of support it receives. The handful of games that have veered from the FF formula have become some of my favorites.
Games like FFX-2, Crisis Core, Tactics, Stranger of Paradise, World of Final Fantasy, Crystal Chronicles, and Type-0 are all amazing in their own way and didn’t require a decade of development, a massive budget, and weren’t released with the expectation that they needed to prop up the entire company’s fiscal year. They felt like they came from a place of passion instead of being purely focused on profits and market saturation.
I want to see more ff characters specially Lightning omggg I hope we can see her somewhere like in the Quadratum
I think this might not necessarily Nomura’s revenge, Square-Enix executive might also be interested for the unused concept and ideas (with potentials) of Versus XIII to be repurpose in other projects, something gam developers do.
Agreed and I kinda laugh when fans say this is "payback" when ??? How is it payback? 🤔 Nomura was very much overworked if memory is correct so while I'm sure his original idea for versus 13/15 would have been awesome to see, he stepped down to focus on his main series (kingdom hearts).
Since 15 holds some elements to the original story (not all but maybe a base of the story with noctis going on a trip with his buddies) the original story that was meant to be for the 13 fabula story is well, no longer there because square wanted to pretend 13 doesn't exist (funnily same was as 15 which am salty about because at least 13 was finished) but also the long development it took, Nomura as he states is a story NO ONE fully knows. Yes we fans know what we see released but the entire story details is one we will never know, so probably best bet is he took maybe some concept ideas from that time and reworked it to be more fitting by upgrading the story and fitting it into kingdom hearts more. Thus I don't fully agree we are "seeing what versus 13/15 should have been" because no, Nomura states yozora's story won't be what people claim to be his original vision. Did he throw Easter eggs? Of course, why wouldn't he but he isn't doing this to be petty about how 15 turned out in the end (which imo fans need to chill about the game. It came out which is a success considering the long and very long time it was in development plus, it is a good game with flaws of course!)
Just a creator simply reworking old ideas is all so I don't fully agree with fans on that idea but I do believe it's him doing an improved storyline of the versus idea he had but again, WE FANS WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUE STORY! We cannot argue against that so who knows what was the full story of noctis. Anywhoo, a good and cool video because I do find it interesting if we could have a ff13 reference pop up which would be cool! With the new trailer for kh4 there Is so much I think they could do with this so I'm excited ^_^
This whole story is as wild as the in-universe mechanics of Kingdom Hearts
Best to let Nomura put as much versus 13 into KH so it can get out of his system. He will not let it go.
Well this got relevant :D
I watched the sneak peak, now watching the full thing
That was very interesting! And here I thought Sora and Riku being transported to Shibuya and Shinjuku was for a potential Kingdom Hearts x The World Ends With You crossover... boy was I wrong lol
Fabula Nova Crystalis has never been explored that much. As characters never saw their gods
with exception of Bhunivelse and Lindsei for a second.
TOMMOROW BABY !!
Please let the Final Fantasy cameo in the next game be Noctus
I know people have mixed feelings about Versus XIII concepts being merged with KH. I for one, think this is exactly what the series needs. A darker turn! Plus, I am so excited to see a glimpse into Nomura’s original vision for the game. Luxord’s “Impressive, is it not?” Gives me chills!
The only thing I will be sad about is leaving favorite characters like Roxas behind. I’m glad to see them happy and complete, but I really hope Nomura doesn’t just forget about them.
Versus XIII came across like "an edgier Kingdom Hearts" and a nonzero amount of fans wanted exactly that, so KH4 taking the series for the darker turn is welcome by us.
@@ultimamage3 I'd say Versus being cancelled and then used as the fuel for KH4 is happy accident and propably better choice. KH being based around cancelled game sounds pretty meta-level nonsense which can be more entertaining than any of those games alone. Overall it would be fun if series became sort of metaphor for all contract/trademark/company fuck-ups or outright broke 4th wall. That would more likely make it Nomura's magnum opus than another regular JRPG.
From the rumors and supposed leaks of people who worked on it, Versus XII was going to be way darker than KH could ever be allowed to go. It was inspired by Shakespeare with there being betrayal kills and GoT esque politics with warring nations and eventually Stella either being killed by Noctis or poisoning herself like Romeo & Juliet. I don't see KH doing any of that, Disney wouldn't have it and Square probably wouldn't in a mainline franchise. Which is why Versus XIII was so perfect, it was originally a spinoff meaning Nomura could do whatever he wanted like how Typo 0 did
This Was A Banger HMK. Thank You For Making It And Stay Blessed Bro!!! :D
i’ll never understand the hype behind Nomura. He is an amazing character designer but an abysmal story teller imo. I’m happy with what we ended up getting with 15 and i’m not sure if the story of versus 13 would have been any better with more nomura involvement, even with the glaring issues 15 had.
You did a great job on this video. I'm looking forward to playing KH4.
One way or another, nomura gets what he wants. The man is an artist, Versus was supposed to be his ultimate masterpiece, and Square took it away, But perhaps, that was a good thing. The game had engine troubles, but now that we have Unreal 4 and 5, perhaps that masterpiece has a second chance.
Indeed
kinda funny how square screwed over both Tetsuya's magnum opus
@@metroidcypher not wrong
I must admit I personally don't find Versus that interesting when it comes down to JRPG concepts, so while iut might have been his Magnum Opus I don't know if it had been that impressive opus. I think using it as a fuel in this juxtaposed series has more chances to make it real magnum opus, since it is more unique and stranger starting point.
I don’t know if you’re already aware, but Noctis’s Japanese VA was saying a lot of stuff about Versus XIII on his twitter account. He’s still hoping Nomura would make Versus.
Yozora’s teammates Aegis and Magia (idk the spelling) is Donald and Goofy. The colors from their weapon match, and one focuses on magic and the other defense.
5:51, is that not the bigger dude from XV??? As for a remade Prompto/guy w hat... His design REALLY reminds me of Braig. I wonder if the union leaders will be apart of this...
So basically versus 13 was always meant to be a game that would likely bridge Fabula nova crystalis and versus with the kingdom hearts universe. This likely heavily impacted kh3 and the type of characters that would be present, if any, from the final fantasy universe. It also may have impacted its development cycle also and explains why the game is so Disney heavy even compared to past kh games. KH may have been the light to the fab novas darkness before the change to ff15 breaking that bridge. But now yozora, sora, and Riku exist in quadratum, a place without concepts of light and dark.
That's a very good point!! Could certainly explain the massive KH3 development delay, too
I’m so pumped for whats coming next. This weekend is going to be a banger for sure
hype for tomorrow. versus revival lets go!!!!
Been waiting for Versus XIII since 2008!
XV just did not deliver on the hype of the original Versus XIII trailers. Gimme that edge!
Please dear God,let them announce the Verum Rex game this Sunday.
Sorry we got kingdom hearts 4 and a mobile game for this year 🙄
I was hoping we would get Verum Rex this year as the spin off game!
I've not played much Final Fantasy but honestly I would not be mad if Nomura just straight up adapted the story of Final Fantasy Versus XIII into a Kingdom Hearts game.
Nomura is lying xD but it’s okay! I still love him! I hope he gets his full revenge! XD
Tonight’s the night ✨
A world where Noctis+Sora+Lightning+Yosora ..... classic nomura mindblown
LETS GOOOOO
Nomura and Sakurai have a few things in common. Both created and worked on multiple game franchises, and both have their most famous franchise be a huge crossover fest.
What's impressive about this video, is it was released just before the kingdom hearts 4 video. You may be onto something.
Nomura will have his Revenge
Kinda crazy to watch this after the KH4 announcement yesterday, seems like everything is being confirmed. Sora has practically become Noctis with his new look...
I still think Yozora Crystallized Sora's Heart, merged it with his Heart so Sora can heal, and took his Body.
2 things I am interested in:
1) The trailer essentially confirms ReMind's bad ending is actually canon. A lot of people haven't grasped this yet. That ending also included Sora being frozen in Quadratum for however long. We're so used to Sora being optimistic and hopeful, but KH4 is gonna start with Sora coming to terms about his loss to Yozora, and why they've switched places.
2) Speaking of switching places, because the Bad ending is now canon, this means Yozora is now on a path to run into Donald/Goofy among other characters. Whether they team up or not, I'm not sure. If Yozora runs into them, he will probably tell them where Sora is, but be reluctant to take them to him. I could see Yozora asking the two of them to help him fulfill his main purpose (finding the Nameless Star, who has lost her name).
TLDR: Nomura successfully hijacked the series to setup a return for Yozora/Noctis, and I believe a huge part of KH4 is gonna feature him as a surprise protagonist to flesh out his story.
Hopefully you live long enough to see what becomes of this series!
Imagine making this right before KH4 is announced