@@BrunoNunes83 that works, there was a another line to lethal with those cards: Play the alesid and sacrifice it give Birgi protection from black, and then attack. No giant needed.
@@Qternocq when you play in front of this many people, and this often, you’re bound to make some mistakes somewhere. Guarantee that your play isn’t perfect either.
the joys of watching seth. seth: attacks multiple times with a flying, vigilance. also seth: lets stay on defense and not attack. 4 damage might not matter, but still. there seems little reason to not attack a 2nd time in the game with your flying, vigilance reidane.
The combo isn't that salty if you play the deck in person because you don't have to wait for your opponent to cast the card over and over again. You just say that you repeat playing Ignus a million times and your opponent can interrupt you at any time he wants.
@@Graatand It's tricky because Seth's combo is often not an instant win. It just makes 2 or 3 real big creatures and a ton of life. Many decks can answer the creatures and then grind through the life. Ya, in paper you'd generate 100 million life and be immune to losing via damage, but I assume that many arena players are digital first, so paper rules are probably less relevant to them.
@@kirillm2517 and sometimes the health can also not matter as much (or at all) If the opponent is playing a Yorion deck, for example, he could control the board and wait for you to mill out
One thing you might want to consider when playing the Snarls is that you should play your pathways before your basics, so if you draw a snarl you might be able to play it untapped.
Well yes, but that way, you make the choice on the Pathway, when you might not yet know what color you need in the long run. These Snarls are just bad.
Match 4 Game 3, you didn't miss lethal by stomping and alseid w/ terror, you missed lethal by not legend ruling Birgi directing 3 at the face and swinging in the air.
Thank you editor. These videos were already great but you've managed to make them even better with the music, the meme intros, the little comments during the videos. You're just fantastic.
A tip, haven't seen it on the coments so i hope you read this, When it starts making you click ok just double tap ctrl to turn full control on and off and it goes away for another like 15 moves I had to learn this playing the bola's citadel explore deck
In Match 1 you should have been blocking with Selfless Savior before Saccing it to protect in order to fizzle the opponents attacks. Ended up taking a lot of damage that could have been the difference between living and dying to a Kazuul's Fury or other effects. Edit: Wait its mono green not gruul, I am an idiot.
Seth, if you splashed for black, you could add Vito (life loss) or Pestilent Cauldron (mill) to utilize all the life gain further. Thanks again for the awesome video.
two days in a row, amazing deck research going here, easy sub! Also, if you've been in Historic awhile, the Boros Sacred Foundry and Clifftop retreat are must haves for boros historic : ) If you got em : )
32:19 I think its something software engine related. I assume that Arena in some way keeps track of what is happening / was happening during the turn and the memory of it just comes to its capacity. Maybe someone with a software development can chime in?
He had easy win game one but did the life gain and counters game instead. When he plays Ignus he had one red in his pool, 3 untapped lands and one land drop. He could've played the land played terror of the peaks and then used the one red birgi gives him off of the terror to restart the Ignus loop with infinite damage.
Magic players: don't be like the first opponent. Concede when your opponent can have infinite life and infinite power (if you're playing green white aggro).
He mentioned that on a stream. He saw the Mtgo community concedes when infinite is presented while the Arena community are more cut throat. Note: this was a thing Seth said about his experience on a semi recent stream. I have no opinion one way of the other on the matter. Just want to make that clear.
@@brkn613 that's because a high volume of arena players don't know the etiquette and ins and outs of unofficial rules/codes we all follow because all they've ever played is Arena.
@@brkn613 this is not my experience on MTGO at all playing Saheeli combo in modern. People concede to Seth because they know his name and he could be recording. Magic players will take every edge they can including running your clock out clicking.
He didnt have a win condition at that point. Terror of the peaks was the win condition and the opponent conceded. But a high life and high attack NON TRAMPLE creatures are not a win condition.
The decklist covers up one or more of your lands. It's not a major issue, but sometimes you make plays that are confusing to the viewer because they can't see how much mana you have available.
@MTGGoldfish you have a small mistake in the description where game five has an extra ":" after the timestamp so game 4 and 5 appear like one match in the time bar breakdowns.
@@KnighTiggles well been up most of the morning with my 5month old baby, but causenof me watching so many mtggoldfish videos Seths voice puts him to sleep
1:20:00 playing Bitgi instead of the horn was lethal right? 3 to the face + 5 from the dragon. I am not one to usually complain about Seth’s punts but you can’t be complaining about bad luck and then draw lethal and ignore it lol
I seriously don't see any reason why you still cannot represent a loop in any magic-related videogame. It's such a natural feature to add in my eyes. But maybe I am too much of a combo player.
@@Kettwiesel25 right? If you do the exact same actions 5 times in a row it should bring up a toggle switch for repeating it X times. All making infinite combos legal in arena without fixing the speed issue will do is drive people away from the platform lol its dumb
As long as the toggle window appears for the opponent to interact after you select your x times. Just a "player moves to repeat loop x times, do you have interaction, or allow loop to resolve?" To show there is a possibility you could be sandbagging something the computer doesn't see.
@@andrewgolubiewski3463 Yes of course that would be necessary. In a situation like Splinter Twin Combo + Reverberate vs. Rakdos Charm or sth. similar you would maybe want to respond only after a few activations, not all of them. So there should be a possibility to do that. But still, all of this seems manageable. I feel like too much of the time people hide behind the fact that you cannot teach a machine what going infinite means because of undecidability of the halting problem, while most of the combos work in a very simple way that can be taught to a computer, which is representing a loop.
Ignis (with an i) is Latin for fire. Igneous rock is rock formed from magma or lava. According to Wikipedia, Ingus is the Latvian equivalent of the name Henry.
53:24 Seth: they can't wrath us cause we have Reydane Also Seth: has only odd creatures and opponent 8 cards in hand Seth in alternate universe when the op. hits their 6th land and plays extinction event: Woooooooooooooooooow
I want that in Mono Red, the win can be as early as Turn 4 T3: Birgi T4: with 4 lands, Open the Omenpaths (pay 3 gain 5) + Terror of the Peaks (pay 5 gain 1) + Stonecoil Serpent for 0 (pay 0 gain 1) + Ignus (pay 3 gain 1) Activate Ignus ability (pay 1 gain 3) = Repeat T2: Spell Satchel helps too
I'd love if MTGA was able to detect card sequences after repeating it a bunch of times and would give an option for you (and your opponent to agree) to repeat it for, like 5000 times and without animations.
@@TheChzoronzon I was thinking Naya actually. It's not like 3 color is overboard. You would cut Daxos because he's clunky, annoying to pull off, and "infinite life" is more like "infinite timeout trying to gain 50 life and dying anyway because 50 life isn't enough"
@@bryantan4228 Yeah, I was thinking just Terror so the combo takes only 10 cycles tops... also, in a more agressive gruul or light naya shell with just 1 or 2 tutorable weak Ignus so you can go beatdown as plan B... or A, lol. Also, having Op to spend the removal on dangerous Robbers, Questing Bs &like should help to pull out the combo
1:25:16 OP was dead even if they didn't attack.... just grow infinitely big birgi, then hold ignus in hand with the extra mana floating and 2 lands untapped, stomp the human and use the last mana for alseid's ability to give birgi protection from green.
I'm so giving this deck a shot. I've always loved infinite combo decks. They don't tend to make too many friends but who needs new friends when you have a billion life? (Yorion players laugh. 80's the new 60 dummy, gain all the life you want.) Good thing for Terror of the Peaks. Who's laughing now?
They really should work on implementing some combo shortcuts on arena to enable these types of decks. Arena is slow as is. If opponent has something to do it's even worse having to wait for them to let stuff resolve.
At this point, I'm pretty sure Seth mispronounces cards on purpose to create a robust comments section
Oh, he absolutely does lol
He's admitted this, many times. 😆
I wouldn't put it past him. He did strip mine and commandeer tomer in edh once lol
He did manage to pronounce ig-nus properly once at least
I'm here for the mispronounced words. What did I miss?
1:19:50
When Seth draws lethal and doesn't see it... My heart nearly leapt out of my chest.
he could also casted both creatures, dmg to the face, attacked with dragon. right?
@@BrunoNunes83 mhm
He makes so many mistakes.
@@BrunoNunes83 that works, there was a another line to lethal with those cards:
Play the alesid and sacrifice it give Birgi protection from black, and then attack. No giant needed.
@@Qternocq when you play in front of this many people, and this often, you’re bound to make some mistakes somewhere. Guarantee that your play isn’t perfect either.
Every time Seth calls it ingus instead of ignus, take a shot
No thank you I enjoy being alive
I have no intent to die of alcohol poisoning
No he got it right. Ignus is the creature that goes infinite. Ingus is the one that goes enfinant.
@@sirmoth3955 I don't, but there are better ways to go if I wanted to do that
You about to get somebody killed.
the joys of watching seth. seth: attacks multiple times with a flying, vigilance. also seth: lets stay on defense and not attack. 4 damage might not matter, but still. there seems little reason to not attack a 2nd time in the game with your flying, vigilance reidane.
"Welcome to the salty spatoon, how tough are you?"
"I play birgi ignus combo."
"Yeah? So?"
"... in standard."
"Right this way!"
*ingus
The combo isn't that salty if you play the deck in person because you don't have to wait for your opponent to cast the card over and over again. You just say that you repeat playing Ignus a million times and your opponent can interrupt you at any time he wants.
@@whaleofdarkness i like it online more because my opponent at least knows I'm putting in physical effort to defeat him.
I love how patient you and your opponents were.
It kinda became a game about who can wait the longest
I thought it was pretty unsportsmanlike to force Seth to click through the combo...
@@Graatand Sometimes people are disappointed that they don't get to play out their janky combo, so I don't think the MTGA etiquette is super clear
@@Graatand It's tricky because Seth's combo is often not an instant win. It just makes 2 or 3 real big creatures and a ton of life. Many decks can answer the creatures and then grind through the life. Ya, in paper you'd generate 100 million life and be immune to losing via damage, but I assume that many arena players are digital first, so paper rules are probably less relevant to them.
@@kirillm2517 and sometimes the health can also not matter as much (or at all)
If the opponent is playing a Yorion deck, for example, he could control the board and wait for you to mill out
One thing you might want to consider when playing the Snarls is that you should play your pathways before your basics, so if you draw a snarl you might be able to play it untapped.
Well yes, but that way, you make the choice on the Pathway, when you might not yet know what color you need in the long run. These Snarls are just bad.
@@Kettwiesel25 I agree they're bad, but if you're using them you might as well play around them instead of turning your topdecks into taplands.
I was like "how is this against the odds???" and then I read the word standard and immediately understood
Also it doesn't play blue 😆
Match 4 Game 3, you didn't miss lethal by stomping and alseid w/ terror, you missed lethal by not legend ruling Birgi directing 3 at the face and swinging in the air.
he missed lethal 3 different ways all in that turn
1:11:44 thank you, editor-senpai
THATS WHERE THE ORIGINAL WENT (i lost the text on the meme for the punt and had to redo it, and had no clue what happened to the original hahah)
@@sushiske BOI haha
I don’t get it?
the mii channel music is such a nice touch
I'm sure this deck is much easier to play from paper considering you can just inform your opponent that you're going to do the combo
Thank you editor. These videos were already great but you've managed to make them even better with the music, the meme intros, the little comments during the videos. You're just fantastic.
Thank youuuuu T-T it means so much
"Ingus makes more sense to me". Ignite. Ignition. The Ignus starts fires, that's why it's called an Ignus. Love you Seth.
Thank you for the time warps while the combos went off editor!
A tip, haven't seen it on the coments so i hope you read this,
When it starts making you click ok just double tap ctrl to turn full control on and off and it goes away for another like 15 moves
I had to learn this playing the bola's citadel explore deck
Love the montage music while storming off. That was a nice touch. And the intro was magically. Y'all are just the best.
The Mii Channel theme was perfect for this deck and Seth's combo
Not only did Seth punt, he then scooped to Tend the Pests, for reasons.
These memes at the start are beautiful
In Match 1 you should have been blocking with Selfless Savior before Saccing it to protect in order to fizzle the opponents attacks. Ended up taking a lot of damage that could have been the difference between living and dying to a Kazuul's Fury or other effects.
Edit: Wait its mono green not gruul, I am an idiot.
We need a new deck where Saxy Daxy and Sexy Clexy join forces
@9:10 why not block lovestruck beast before sacking selfless savior?
Was looking for this comment. Come on Seth!
Seth, if you splashed for black, you could add Vito (life loss) or Pestilent Cauldron (mill) to utilize all the life gain further.
Thanks again for the awesome video.
two days in a row, amazing deck research going here, easy sub! Also, if you've been in Historic awhile, the Boros Sacred Foundry and Clifftop retreat are must haves for boros historic : ) If you got em : )
32:19
I think its something software engine related. I assume that Arena in some way keeps track of what is happening / was happening during the turn and the memory of it just comes to its capacity. Maybe someone with a software development can chime in?
He had easy win game one but did the life gain and counters game instead. When he plays Ignus he had one red in his pool, 3 untapped lands and one land drop. He could've played the land played terror of the peaks and then used the one red birgi gives him off of the terror to restart the Ignus loop with infinite damage.
It was killing me to watch the pointless clicks
Magic players: don't be like the first opponent. Concede when your opponent can have infinite life and infinite power (if you're playing green white aggro).
He mentioned that on a stream.
He saw the Mtgo community concedes when infinite is presented while the Arena community are more cut throat.
Note: this was a thing Seth said about his experience on a semi recent stream. I have no opinion one way of the other on the matter. Just want to make that clear.
@@brkn613 that's because a high volume of arena players don't know the etiquette and ins and outs of unofficial rules/codes we all follow because all they've ever played is Arena.
@@brkn613 this is not my experience on MTGO at all playing Saheeli combo in modern. People concede to Seth because they know his name and he could be recording. Magic players will take every edge they can including running your clock out clicking.
He didnt have a win condition at that point. Terror of the peaks was the win condition and the opponent conceded. But a high life and high attack NON TRAMPLE creatures are not a win condition.
@@sirhades92 So, can one of your aggro decks deal infinite damage and hold off several infinite power creatures for 40 turns?
can i just say how much i appreciate the memes at the beginning!!
I really enjoy making them, especially since I've managed to find my own little signature with the yellow subtitles
That intro 👌🏻👏🏼
At 9:06 you could have blocked the lovestruck beast with selfless savior to prevent 5 damages and sacrificing it before damage
Editor Sass
1:08:53 Could have played the dog and then stomp. Next turn you then have 3 lethal creatures
9:06
why not block with selfless savior and sac to protect other card and prevent 5 dmg at the same time? Lovestruck doesnt have trample.
When i built this deck last week i also had Heliod in it as he is a permanent Showdown with Daxos (or impassioned Orator) in play.
Oh blessed Editor, thank you.
The decklist covers up one or more of your lands. It's not a major issue, but sometimes you make plays that are confusing to the viewer because they can't see how much mana you have available.
@MTGGoldfish you have a small mistake in the description where game five has an extra ":" after the timestamp so game 4 and 5 appear like one match in the time bar breakdowns.
thank you mister editor man for saying what was about to the moment intended to
Its my birthday and then seth is playing a deck ive been trying to make work xD whooop
Happy Birthday! How's your bday so far?
@@KnighTiggles well been up most of the morning with my 5month old baby, but causenof me watching so many mtggoldfish videos Seths voice puts him to sleep
Motion for Seth to also find reasons to say “ignite” or “ignition” on stream, also pronouncing them as ing-gite and ing-gition.
That meme opening was the best one in awhile lol
i saw the decklist.... here comes ingus again XD
1:20:00 playing Bitgi instead of the horn was lethal right? 3 to the face + 5 from the dragon. I am not one to usually complain about Seth’s punts but you can’t be complaining about bad luck and then draw lethal and ignore it lol
editor picked up the lethal that Seth missed right after lol
that intro was incredible hahahahaha
Would Vito be useful to splash for? Game one there is so much life gain that its another combo piece with lifelink/ETB lifegain
"I don't know why the g's in front."
Because it comes from "igneous", which is also where we get the term "ignite"
Wizards needs to figure out a way to streamline the infinite combos lol otherwise they'll be banned for being annoying.
I seriously don't see any reason why you still cannot represent a loop in any magic-related videogame. It's such a natural feature to add in my eyes. But maybe I am too much of a combo player.
@@Kettwiesel25 right? If you do the exact same actions 5 times in a row it should bring up a toggle switch for repeating it X times.
All making infinite combos legal in arena without fixing the speed issue will do is drive people away from the platform lol its dumb
As long as the toggle window appears for the opponent to interact after you select your x times. Just a "player moves to repeat loop x times, do you have interaction, or allow loop to resolve?" To show there is a possibility you could be sandbagging something the computer doesn't see.
@@andrewgolubiewski3463 Yes of course that would be necessary. In a situation like Splinter Twin Combo + Reverberate vs. Rakdos Charm or sth. similar you would maybe want to respond only after a few activations, not all of them. So there should be a possibility to do that. But still, all of this seems manageable. I feel like too much of the time people hide behind the fact that you cannot teach a machine what going infinite means because of undecidability of the halting problem, while most of the combos work in a very simple way that can be taught to a computer, which is representing a loop.
@@andrewgolubiewski3463 thats ana excellent point, thank you for the input :)
That intro really portrays my feelings.
Arena so needs a "save targets" toggle you can turn on and off the same way you can with the "full control" option
The only issue with that intro is that Anakin is not labeled "standard"
Against the witherbloom deck- why not the back side of redane to stop the pings?
Ignis (with an i) is Latin for fire. Igneous rock is rock formed from magma or lava. According to Wikipedia, Ingus is the Latvian equivalent of the name Henry.
This is awesome. 😅
So according to the meme, historic will soon fall to its death?
Time Warp is legal in historic now. Id say yes, it will.
Seth: I know I’m mispronouncing this card but being wrong just feels so right.
28:14 HE SAID IT!
53:24 Seth: they can't wrath us cause we have Reydane
Also Seth: has only odd creatures and opponent 8 cards in hand
Seth in alternate universe when the op. hits their 6th land and plays extinction event: Woooooooooooooooooow
21:32 I’m gonna tell my mechanic that there’s something wrong with my car’s ingition.
I'm kinda curious how long this video would be if the loops weren't fast forwarded
That awkward moment when seth holds back his Selfless Savior back from blocking. Then sac's it to give something else indestructible...
10/10 opening scene
I may be missing something but.. Why don't you first block with selfless savior and then sacrifice it to protect another creature?
Wouldn't Flamescroll, well, backside be a decent SB Option???
Building this deck in modern but with impact tremors, grape shot, and mana tithe. Would love to see Seth run it
I want that in Mono Red, the win can be as early as Turn 4
T3: Birgi
T4: with 4 lands, Open the Omenpaths (pay 3 gain 5)
+ Terror of the Peaks (pay 5 gain 1)
+ Stonecoil Serpent for 0 (pay 0 gain 1)
+ Ignus (pay 3 gain 1)
Activate Ignus ability (pay 1 gain 3)
= Repeat
T2: Spell Satchel helps too
That moment when against the odds deck is your main deck
I'd love if MTGA was able to detect card sequences after repeating it a bunch of times and would give an option for you (and your opponent to agree) to repeat it for, like 5000 times and without animations.
omg, watching you shuffle the cards in your hand so much stresses the f out of me D:
Nylea can also fulfill Birgi's role here.
What about a Gruul version with Vivien MA to tutor the other pieces of the combo?
@@TheChzoronzon I was thinking Naya actually. It's not like 3 color is overboard. You would cut Daxos because he's clunky, annoying to pull off, and "infinite life" is more like "infinite timeout trying to gain 50 life and dying anyway because 50 life isn't enough"
@@bryantan4228 Yeah, I was thinking just Terror so the combo takes only 10 cycles tops... also, in a more agressive gruul or light naya shell with just 1 or 2 tutorable weak Ignus so you can go beatdown as plan B... or A, lol. Also, having Op to spend the removal on dangerous Robbers, Questing Bs &like should help to pull out the combo
She can't. Nylea reduces cost of creatures by [1], Birgi gives you [R]. Grinning Ignus costs [2][R][R] to put down and pick back up.
@@solDelta Nice catch
Would crackle with power be better?
Can you attempt a deck tech with Master of Cruelties and Alesha, Who Smiles at Death?
1:25:16 OP was dead even if they didn't attack.... just grow infinitely big birgi, then hold ignus in hand with the extra mana floating and 2 lands untapped, stomp the human and use the last mana for alseid's ability to give birgi protection from green.
I'm so giving this deck a shot. I've always loved infinite combo decks. They don't tend to make too many friends but who needs new friends when you have a billion life? (Yorion players laugh. 80's the new 60 dummy, gain all the life you want.) Good thing for Terror of the Peaks. Who's laughing now?
So there is a great Temur Combo deck in pioneer that runs this combo
Jank ✅
Infinite combo ✅
Seth mispronouncing a card name a million times ✅
10/10
Perfect against the odds video.
I must be stupid, but why hasn't ekdraine rotated?
Shouldn’t it be the 1W cleric instead of Daxxos because less splashy
Im surprised no flicker of fate to reset showdown or protect combo piees.
I need to make this as a mardu build with Vito
What about strixhaven stadium against the odds?
Seth continuing to ignore vigilance
I’m gonna play a game called let’s take a shot for every misplay.
*Edit*
Currently going through Kidney Failure. Only 45 more minutes to go!
I'll race you, but I take a shot every time he says Ignus wrong intentionally!
oh no this is not advisable *joins in anyway*
They really should work on implementing some combo shortcuts on arena to enable these types of decks. Arena is slow as is. If opponent has something to do it's even worse having to wait for them to let stuff resolve.
That first opponent BMing by not scooping when you had infinite life
I literally just played against mono-Red, gained 40ish life in a turn, and then they proceeded to rope me the rest of the game.
Kazuuls fury one of?
What happened to match 5?
1:21:52 - not marked for some reason
So this is the standard version of this week Budget magic? It feels like a "more of the same" to me
And why you dont use grapeshot?
This is standard :3
I don't get it. Why didn't he play Terror of the Peaks at 11:34 and kept comboing? That way he just wins right away.
Isn't the music from OG Pokémon? Nintendo might get you Seth, be careful!
It’s from the Mii channel!
Match 1 opponent must have infinite patience.
Open the Omenpaths for Mana Ritual ramp
Did this in OG Timesprial. Hahaha
Opponents sticking it out vs infinite life really trying to ice skate uphill.
Seth I guess you know this you troll, but it's Ignus like in the word "ignite" 😉
Seth: "Ingite"
I see the editor is also an avid listener of A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast
This intro has me thinking. Seth? More like Sith.
I G N U S, like igneous, like molten rock. "Ingus" is one letter off "dingus" which is what you sound like when you keep SAYING IT THAT WAY, SETH.
It's called Ignus because it sounds like igniting or ignition and it's a flame elemental, I dunno why ingus makes more sense to you