The Withdrawal Agreement Bill and Programme Motion Votes - Brexit Explained
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- It's never easy to stay up to date with Brexit, but last night was especially crazy. MPs were voting on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill and on the government's timetable for Brexit (programme motion). In this video we explain both as well as what last night's votes mean for Brexit going forward.
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It's crazy how much I have to rely on TLDR to explain exactly what the fuck is going on with this hourly Brexit nonsense.
I tried understanding myself, what the MPS do in their elementary school, but couldn't get passed the repetition and nonsense
Shows how bad the mainstream uk press is, all you get is bias. TLDR is so clear and helpful!
I see "BREAKING NEWS" on the side bar of suggested videos and it's about an issue already covered in a previous TLDR video :D It would be impossible to keep up to date without this channel
@@tertrih9078 That's so true. By the time the mainstream outlets have posted "breaking news" bulletins, A Different Bias has vlog'd it and TLDR has explained it 😂
@INDIANFUKING ALLTHEWHITEGIRLS Say what now?
As Lord Buckethead once predicted:
This. Is. A Shitshow.
I feel like he would have been more competent then the current pm.
@@Aisuprism He could have been given a spinning chair with wheels and have been the only MP in the commons, and he would have achieved more than the entire parliament since 2016.
Goddamnit, what is it with this hate for Parliament?
The leader we needed not the leader we deserved.
@@kanalkucker14 Parliament decided to prematurely enact article 50 on the back of what turned out to be a corrupt referendum .. and instead of coming clean, saying they did something wrong where the parliament is now acting upon information obtained by criminal behaviour … they've all decided to save their jobs instead rather than show parliament made a mistake, with huge emphasis on the two main parties, by saying they'd abide by the result of what turned out to be a referendum who's result was obtained by criminal behaviour …
basically; they know the car they got is stolen… but they're going to sell it anyway...
could be that?
When you actually get a deal through but can't Brexit at 10/31: *Mission failed successfully*
That seems to be a great tagline! Mission failed successfully.
It's quite certain that the Parliament wont allow Brexit to happen by the end of October. Just to give Johnson the finger.
since when has there been 31 months in a year? Is this a new Brexit legislation I have yet to hear about!?
We use YYYY/MM/DD format unlike a lot of western countries...and tbh I think that's better
@@spoopytime9928 madness
"The year is 2044. On the 100th Quarterly Brexit Extension, the European Commission organized celebrations commemorating the start of this traditional event.ę
^^^ This!!!! I laughed way too hard at this comment. Lol
Funny.
By far the best comment of the month!
Brilliant. This seems a most likely outcome 😂😂😂
Made me smile and I voted leave..
Soon be brexit extension *decorations* in the shops soon - being such a regular thing
I'd be lost if it wasn't for TLDR news
Well Brexit is not even good for the economy:
Boris Johnson says that uk loses £350 million to the EU.
Bit the statistic his talking about says that uk loses £134 million to the EU a week.
But it also said that uk gains £2,600 million a week.
£2,600 - £134 = £2466 million gained from the EU a week.
Don’t know why you replied to the previous comment, but that’s beside the point.
134 million a week is equal to 6968 million a year given to the EU. That is significantly more than the two thousand or so million that you suggested we receive a year.
@@ovilersmith5006 yeah no. i'm not familiar with these stats but your math is incorrect. if the uk gets 2600 million (2,6 billion) a YEAR, the uk gets roughly 48 million a week. so if it loses 134 million a week, that means it is actually losing 84 per week or 4644 million (4,6 billion) per year. so its a net loss.
What I'd like to know though, is whether the brexit supporters intent to vote in a government that will refund the nhs, infrastructure and all other public services that have lapsed supposedly because the eu was draining the kingdom's resources and also repeal austerity measures? that would be wonderful but let's be clear the tories and the nigel farages of the world will never do that.
You should also follow the u tube channel a different bias, tdlr misses many important points like the fact that borris's threat to call a general election is just that, a threat! He can not call one due to the fixed terms parliament act
@@ovilersmith5006 you're also being charged monthly for these extensions. Hope you factor that in.
UK Brexit: Trying to exit trough rotating door, getting stuck in it and loosing pants.
Thank the lib/lab/con. If are' Nige were in charge we would have left the day after the 2016 vote came in.
@@Carl-hs420a idk who that is but if he's so great then I doubt he'd be foolish to crash out the same day
@@Carl-hs420a you people keep overestimating Nigel big time. He'd face the same issues that Johnson's facisng today
@@Alaois We would have left the EU by our own laws, not by the EU's Article 50. Then, we would have spent the past 3.5 years working out amicable arrangements with the EU or with its member nations on an individual basis. Granted, it'd be tough, but we'd be somewhere doing something, which is not something that can be said about where we are now.
... or losing parts.
This is so sad to watch. Imagine what could have been achieved by now if they would not have wasted all this energy over the course of 3.5 years but instead focused on helping shaping the EU to be like they want it to be. Because I get the stong feeling that it is not really anything about the EU they are against but the EU in and of itself. I watched the entire debate yesterday, yes all 7 hours of it. And they keep repeating that they basically not only want to uphold all the EU standards they are living under right now but also take into consideration the implementation of every new regulation the EU will pass in the future. And in this context the PMs determination seems well questionable because it almost leads to the suspicion that he has sort of a hidden agenda, like maybe the restructuring of the UK into a Singapore-like tax haven just as people like for example Stephen Fry have been talking about for a while now. It seems to me like the UK's government is fighting for sovereignty just for the sake of sovereignty which seems odd to me. I know the EU system in itself is problematic to say the least. But it is a starting point at least. One that can be improved by it's very members. Call me a fool or naive but in my opinion you don't fight systems, you join them and change them for the better. And to leave this historic endeavor for no apparent good reason other than the illusion that to many foreigners enter your country and that you are not allowed to fish as much as you like, seems not very well thought out. (Of course these reasons are an oversimplification I know that). The problem with immigrants will be one that the UK won't be able to ignore in the long term anyways as huge parts of north africa will be uninhabitable to human life in the very near future. The number of immigrants nowerdays will seem like peanuts then. I hope that the UK will reconsider this Brexit thing entirely and stay with us to build a better furture for all of us. And this has nothing to do with any globalist agenda bullshit I keep hearing about. Multinational companies don't give a shit about nations today and they won't in the future. Governments basically can be blackmailed already by companies to grant them any benefits they desire. So purely based on logic business conglomerates can only be held in check by government conglomerates. But that is besides the point. Sorry if this rather long statement causes any hard feeling but it is heartfelt. I am a father of a two year old boy. And as such I know that my personal purpose in life is to prepare my child for the time that I am no longer there to protect him and to be a memory for him. So I care very much about how the world will look like that our children inherite from us. Also sorry for the bad english. I am german^^
I agree with every word but one of the problems was EU voter turn out in the UK was considerably lower compared to that of General Election and ultimately because of this - it has allowed groups like UKIP (and other foreign Nationalist Parties) to create confusion from within and blame the EU for its mis-givings thus placing the UK in the position it is in now!
Sadly, this could have been avoided very easily but for many years (even before the referendum) the mainly Pro Remain parties like the Lib Dems, Labour and Conservatives set the tone very negatively by insulting many of their own voters for simply wanting to discuss issues like border control and immigration rather than debating with them. Being called a closet racist rather than being shown the various other Border Control options from around the world and arguing for the EU Border Control worked best for both British, German etc, is what gave people like Nigel Farage their support because they were happy to discuss it even if you're opinions didn't match.
In fact, the handling of the debate by the Pro EU side was so badly riddled with negativity with put downs, over reliance & reluctance to let the opposite end to speak that they practically handed Brexit to Boris & Nigel to the point the latter two only needed to speak bull**** because the Pro Remain Side was doing all their hard work for them.
Take a look at the Scottish Referendum a couple of years prior... Watch how the debate was handled by the Pro UK side... All they go about was how Reliant Scotland was on the UK and what currency would they use even after admitting that the Scots could continue using the £ almost cost them that referendum!
Ultimately I would rather remain and I would like to see changes in the EU for the better but that won't happen anytime soon until Pro Remain groups start discussing Issues with voters rather than Insulting them and second as much as I would hate to admit it but let a No Deal Brexit happen to show the voters who supported Leave that they really were being conned into thinking the EU was not in their best interests. But of course that opens yet more tins of worms that would come at a great cost as well.
TLDR ;)
It’s good that the U.K. wants to leave the sinking ship of the EU? What’s wrong with a Singaporean style system? Singapore was a poor colony of us and now they are rich even though they have no resources. Also, we want to implement a point based immigration policy which means that only smart and qualified people will get to come to the U.K. and improve our country, which means we can control who comes in. Instead of just uneducated low productivity North Africans and Arabs or EU citizens from poor former communist countries getting an advantage just because they have a EU passport.
@@iamjonathanng6657 It's a good argument but I would counter that proposal with the negative side of a points based system. For a start, educated migrants won't want to travel all the way to the UK just to pick fruit on a farm for 12 hours a day, particular when they have the education to be something better and more productive such as doctors, engineering, construction etc. This would leave a shortfall of workers in our agricultural industry where you don't need to an education to pick fruit. Also, a points based system is a long process and can take up to six months or more, which would be worth the time and money if it meant a good salary and living conditions but not if you're only going to earn peanuts for a job that not even British people want to do most of the time.
Secondly, put yourself in the shoes of someone born and raised in an oppressive communist country looking for a way out. If being granted the opportunity to move elsewhere on the basis that you would could better your life for you and your family, have access to a better education that would allow you or your child to move on and away from the communist country you live in... Would you take it, even if you knew you would be picking fruit? The answer lies you're unsatisfaction of the system they are trying to escape from.
Remember that being Born isn't a choice but is just plain luck that both you and I were born in a country that allows freedom to express ourselves without fear of being removed, where a good education is accessible, health care is free and work to earn a living is available. It's pure luck that we weren't born in a communist country where these things aren't accessible to us but this is not a good enough reason in my opinion to take away a chance for people like you and me to be given this opportunity just because they were born somewhere that we weren't.
Finally, the EU immigration policy works for us the same way. We are/were entitled to leaving, traveling throughout Europe with out the need to fill out time consuming visas and border checks. If it's a system you don't use yourself, that's fine but there's no need to take it away from people who do in this country. But, that doesn't mean to say it can't be improved but it can't be improved if we are not in to have a say on it... In fact, that's the very job of our elected MEP'S, to have a say. So who are our most elected MEP'S and why haven't they spent the time improving it... Well, because that would defeat the point of their best interests, thus it's better to not do anything to improve it if they want to make a point that system doesn't work - which they have the power to change each and every year right there and then. Just like the EU Fisheries Directive which was also a classic example of negligence to fulfill a personal objective against a proactive one.
@@iamjonathanng6657,
There is no “sinking ship of the EU” but in some Brexiteers’ dreams.
So let me get this straight… all of the EU treaties put before parliament were debated longer than what was planned for this bill?
And they say the EU isn't democratic.
Antti Björklund I‘m pretty sure a huge chunk of the politicians (and citizens) ignored anything EU related for years. Later they wander where all those agreement came from and felt they where imposed. Of course, I’m not referring only to UK politicians and citizens.
Timelines are important. Like how you don't write your thesis until a week before it's due...
If this deal was proposed a month ago, it wouldn't have been successful... If the threat of no-deal wasn't credible, it wouldn't have passed...
You need to understand these key concepts of business and deal making...
@@MelbourneMeMe Don't expect Labour to understand this. After all they're the ones advocating to negotiate a deal with the EU whilst removing the possibility of no deal.
@@boostav EU isn't threatened by No Deal...which is why Boris surrendered Northern Ireland in his deal, which is an even worse deal that the original deal by the EU to May with a Northern Ireland only backstop, which meant UK gets to go ahead with a hard-Brexit for itself, while the Northern Ireland issue is kept aside for debate with nothing really finalized...but Boris's deal finalizes the issue pretty much in EU's favor..
@@ameyas7726 The Northern Ireland problem is more complicated than that. You can put a border between NI and RoI, but that's bad for the good Friday agreement. You can put a border between UK and NI, but that would either mean surrendering NI or locking us to the EU trading laws, which defeats the point of Brexit. Boris's deal is an attempt at a compromise, instead of surrendering NI he has put 2 weird borders in place with the prospect that technology will keep the borders efficient. For large scale trading that's not completely infeasible, you can electronically fill out customs forms whilst crossing the Atlantic and arrive having paid the fees, displayed the forms etc. There are definitely problems with it, but its in no way the same as 'surrendering NI'. May's deal had problems with it binding us to EU rules without any say on them and I haven't heard enough of how Boris's will avoid that with the exception of the Irish backstop, which if it worked it would keep our customs separate from the EU.
ALEXA, add "Flextension" to the list of words I'll soon hate...
_soon?_
Felix Kütt right?
Along with "FrontStop"
@@endintiers Along with "Wab"
And the spelling of programme
Did BoJo just hint season 5 of BoJo's Bizarre Adventures himself to be the general election spinoff?
BoJo's Bizarre Adventures: Downing Street Run confirmed???
BoJo's Bizarre Adventure is the best thing I've ever heard, honestly
"BoJo's Bizarre Adventures" - that's some comedy gold right there.
We are currently in BoJo's Bizarre Adventure part 4: Border is Unbreakable.
@@TidusDX Sounds like Boris is more like Bobobo-Bobo and Jacob-Rees Moggster is his orange spiky cosplaying hedgehog friend... dunno if they both like to sing karaoke, though.
@@CellGames2006 that anime is the perfect representation of Brexit.
The main characters are unrelatable.
Nothing makes sense.
Excessive nostril hair.
Brexit: *RESTORE DEMOCRACY*
Tories: *attempts to grant self power to amend primary legislation without consent of parliament*
scoundrels
you don't even have a written constitution, don't teach others about democracy pls
Parliament no longer represents the people, 60% of labour constituencies voted leave. 95% of labour politicians are pro remain and vote that way in parliament.
@@mrmagoo-i2l Most MPs had clear positions on Brexit. People voted MPs into their position to represent the citizens' best interests. Their best interests might be different from what these citizens themselves would choose on an individual issue
@@mrmagoo-i2l well thats just a result of information asynchronity, as those that are further away from the decision are not the ones carrying all the conequential information
Dear UK: This what happens when you wait till last minute to do your homework before you hand it in.
I just wish I was given as many extensions to finally turn something in.
they are idiots anyway how did they just recently realised that free trade is also massively political, now they have to create a nazi economy
Arthur Heidt The German’s just can’t help themselves, they’re in recession now so hopefully it will be burnt to the ground.
Yep. May got expelled for handing it in late and now Boris is using tipex on her assignment to pass it off as his own.
You guys are a godsend, thank you for keeping me informed without bias and in such a clear way.
Bless them for trying to explain this mess
Getting really nostaltic for the "DIVISIOOOOON" at this point, reminds me of season 3
Clear the Lobby!
Would love to work at Parliament just for the shouting. Couple of days ago when I came to the pub where I work I knocked at the frontdoor 3 times and screamed "it's Blackrod, open the door !". Also I love calling for last orders. I just love shouting.
Phew, it's complicated! I'm sticking to software engineering!
My thoughts exactly. If you had to develop an algorithm that would allow all these possible outcomes you would also have to keep extending deadlines.
@@dremul That's an NP hard problem in this case... Or, rather MP hard.
@@Evan490BC We need a quantum computer to solve it!
But least Brexit is more interesting than software engineering I suppose
@@skycloud4802 It depends on what you already know and are prepared to learn. I've been forced to read books on the British Constitution, how Parliament works and how the European Parliament works. These are things which, when I was in my teens, I wondered why they didn't teach everyone in schools. Now I know why. They want the British Public to remain ignorant, so that we can be easily manipulated by propoganda (most of the British press).
I'm a simple man. I see Bercow in TLDR-Video shouting "OOOOORRRRRRRRRDAAAAAAAAAAAH" and I click Like.
You have simple pleasures. Will he be shouting this in one of Her Majesty's prison cells. Probably. He's a megalomaniac for sure. Unlike you TLDR get a down vote every time I have to hear this odious man speak.
Can you do a summary of the while brexit process so far? Like over the past 3 years
Previously on Days of our Brexit
Wait for it to all be over
"t'is a mess"
5 hour video tbh
Anton Talbot I’ll be funny for episode he releases, and you get that tv announcer saying;
*”Previously in the game of Parliament you either win or get forced to reign”*
- Cersei Lannister
TLDR News and A Different Bias are about the best you can currently get for Brexit info.... and helping retain ones personal sanity regarding it. :-)
I like Phils's channel. He has common sense
I appreciate you putting only a small plug at the beginning. Thanks for the video! I needed this after yesterday, which was confusing.
Glad they didn't approve the program motion, this whole thing has been super shady
All i worry from brexit is
*THE TROUBLES 2: THE IRA RETURNS*
Shady AF and in need of many, many amendments. Preferably including a second referendum....
mmmhorsesteaks not happening you coward. We had a vote, you lost. Get over yourself. You don’t get to just keep voting till you get what you want.
I'm shocked 300+ people voted in favour of it.
Jack The Gamer
You are the coward, bitch !
If people really want to live, they will vote to leave the second time - and all of you brexiteers will have full bragging rights about how remainers are undemocratic.
But, the truth is that you are scared shitless of a second referendum because now people are informed especially now that they know how much Nigel Fakerage and Bozo lied to them and moved the goalposts.
The reason people will vote against leaving the second time is the same reason germans wouldn't vote Hitler the second time.
You won the lottery because everyone else was uninformed and thus followed some demagogues.
Crying about the fact that a slim majority of people voted to leave despite the fact that it was an uninformed decision for many of them is the weakest most pathetic thing you could do.
Please add a sound to the intro graphic, so we know how loud the voiceover will be after it. I jump every time! Thanks :)
"Easiest deal in the human history" @ Tory Trade Secretary Liam Fox about Brexit
Said in the context:
Oh, the public are all remainers. Wouldn't dare vote to leave our beloved EU..😆
Good on British MPs to vote down that timetable. Giving MPs only days to scrutinize a bill of this magnitude is US government levels of shady.
It reminded me of something that happened to American Democrats where Mitch McConnell gave them like 24 hours to read and debate a bill and somehow the rules of American politics allowed that sort of 'intelligent discussion'.
Last time I was this early the UK was still in the EU...wait...
So out of desperation the parliament voted for a deal that is worse than the one they rejected 3 times, and yet boris keeps blaming the EU for making it hard on them.
no, this bill is legislation that was held back till now, legislation can be amended by parliament, so it can be etirely changed from what it now is by way of democratc process, which is why it was held back till after parlament showed support for the goverment's position, which it never has
Brexit, a cute name given to a disaster
-John Oliver
"Br" stands for brain.
The exit isn’t the disaster, but the way it’s been done is a disas. No deal is the only way now.
@@More_Row No, the exit *IS* the disaster! Unless, of course, you are filthy rich like Arron Banks or Rees-Mogg and you want to avoid paying taxes, in which case it is a blessing.
Evan490BC You don’t know, because we haven’t left. The political hand tying and delays is the disaster. If the UK left as soon as possible after the referendum without blocking itself at every opportunity everything would be dandy.
@@More_Row What do you mean I don't know? Isn't EU rules' deregulation the government's main aim? This *very bad* for the average citizen!
9:26 I think your graphic may be in the reverse oreder
Yeah
How so?
8:10 The Noes have it, the Noes have it!
yes
@@hansluk Unlock!!
You guys are so brilliant. You explain everything so we can understand what is really going on. Thank you.
Yeah, thx TLDR
Johnson used "A technique to try and convince MP's". a technique known as "holding the bill hostage" or more simply: blackmail.
I’m a supporter of Brexit, yet even I know that is literally blackmail. Unfortunately, there ma be some legal issues if TL:DR were to straight up call it blackmail
What did anyone expect from the UNLAWFUL Boris, who lies his way through every situation.
What blackmail? What information did Johnson threaten to release if he didn't get his way?
It is a threat, not blackmail. A threat to make them actually decide something.
@@volkris Blackmail can be used to describe any situation where you put pressure on someone to do what you want. It can be threats of violence against another or in this case threatening to hold an election if you don't get the right result. Employing leverige is blackmail doesn't have to include information.
Great show, Probably one of the best of Netflix, despite the confusing plot and story it's just so realistic and fun to see all the carachters making the story itself complicated just so they can get their own way. If it wasn't for videos like this I would never understand this series, hope it ends next season cant wait to see how they going to end this.
The cinematography could do with some work though. I haven't even been watching the actual show, the fan theories are much more visually interesting.
Time to oooorrrdddaaaaaaa more popcorn...
Thanks for explaining. There's no way I'd be able to keep up if not for you guys.
The season 4 finale of brexit looks exciting!
Ramsey Keilani this is all just Season One. Season Two is when they sit down to discuss new Trade Deals. This is gonna go on longer than the 90's TV series 'Friends'. 😧
It's not the finale there is a whole new box set coming out. It will now be a comedy with BOZO the clown the main star.
@@sirloin8745 what are you talking about? Season 2 started after May's resignation.
I wonder how this would have turned out if EVERYBODY ACTUALLY VOTED IN 2016. I hate how this has cut our country right down the middle, with no idea about what the true majority really thinks.
Not enough people care about their country's future and just hope very little changes, but are the first to complain when something passes that they don't like.
there are always some who don't vote, on any issue there will be some who do not care either way, even nations where voting is mandatory don't have 100% participation
I actually still think the vote was a mistake. If somebody put a similar thing to vote in my country I wouldn't be able to even understand the implications of both options. Then the campaigning in the UK was also saturated with misinformation and apparently British people are generally not very informed about how politics works due to education. It was a recipe for disaster from the very beginning.
@@sophienugre4161 that's pretty much the extent of it. They all think their jobs will get better when the immigrants go away, without realising all their state services and cheap goods rely in the foreign labour.
Everything will go up, but pay will still be shit and everyone will be worse off.
Season 4 of Brexit has probably more plot twists than an M. Night Shyamalan film
Why do Americans relate everything to film or television? So many comments about series (seasons). No imagination.
We are an embarrassment.
@Justin Marion that's an exceptionally low bar to clear.
The year is 2197 AD. The British Brexit minister travels to Brussels to ask for another extension. No one can remember how this tradition began, but it attracts thousands of tourists from all over the world.
Thankyou Very much for making these videos must take a lot of effort. They are amazing and soooo... Informative
I'm American and live for my morning TL:DR video. I love Bercow yelling "Orrrderr"! Too bad he's leaving. As for Brexit, I have no idea. Maybe they should scrap everything, and hold another vote: "Are you SURE you want Brexit, or are things OK as they were?"
I'd have no ducking idea what's going without this channel
It's very messy, TLDR must be pulling their hair out before making these video's. 😂
Parliament: refuses May's deal approved by the EU three times
Also parliament: approves a worse deal.
From what I understood they voted to hold a second meaningful vote not directly for the deal
They voted for a second reading not to pass the bill
I think it's more like; … The EU accepted a deal that's even better for them than May's, and way worse for us ...
Those crazy EU negotiators, they are so good they don't have to do a thing to keep getting better and better deals...
The UK and the EU read the star wars script:
UK... "I'm altering the deal"
UK... "this deal is getting worse all the time"
UK... "Pray I don't alter it any further"
@@fergusdenoon1255 well as an European I am glad we got a good deal I guess? Still sucks you guys are leaving but it's about time, finally the EU can focus on other more important stuff
@@ilficherrimolori we are leaving? Jumping the gun a bit... No leaving stance has been agreed by the UK...
The EU has agreed, the UK hasn't agreed to their own deal, same place as we were with Theresa May, there's been no advancement other than the deal has finally been presented, so politicians can now see exactly what they aren't going to agree on.
Love you TLDR, thanks for keeping me in the know
6:20 Part of the house's responsibilities are to make sure bills are not passed so quickly and are properly scrutinised.
Wow...man, if TLDR didn't exist, we really can't comprehend what is happening.Great job!
That's not praise TLDR. Sounds more like an insult to the UK population.
One of your best videos so far!
The amendments are going to be VERY interesting and I look forward to them.
Nestrior entirely pointless though because any amendment voids the entire treaty, worried no deal is now inevitable
All they need to do is delay and make sure the law is on their side. This talk of "just get it done" is crap, people will seriously suffer and it's not worth it. We will prevail and Britain will remain. Suck it leavers :)
@@madamesaundere we have to leave, but no deal would be bad, the mainstream media told me,
@@billbryson161 Nope, definitely dont have to leave :)
@@billbryson161 A people's vote amendment wouldn't void the treaty at all and you know it. I'd say you are afraid of it. And before you say anything about that being undemocratic: Look at the promises of arch-brexiteers before the vote. JRM comes to mind when talking about a second referendum. Or Boris "We'll definitely have access (to the single market)" Johnson. This is not what was promised and what was voted for in the referendum. So why not let the people decide if they really want it?
"But the single market access is a thing of a fta." Yes, it is. And so are the alignments necessary for the EU to grant it. Alignments that are not committed to in binding text at the present. Which they were under May.
Hell, even vote.leave spoke against a No Deal.
Give people a chance to vote again now that things have changed. That would be the right thing to do. No, a GE without a clear course on Brexit would likely lead to even more chaos in the HoC.
I truly pride myself on understanding even some of the most complicated political legalities and maneuvers. But I would truly have been lost without tldr news with recent Brexit shinanegans.
I'm tired, my brain is oversaturated with brexit anything. I can't even finish a tldr video, pls call me when it's all over.
Vote for Remain next time. Revoke §50 really ends everything no strings attached. No Deals, No Negotiations, No Extensions, No Bills, No Time Wasting, No risk of loosing Scotland, No drifting away of North-Ireland. UK can really go on after this.
Not even No-Deal can say that for itself as it only leads to years and years more of this including the points above.
Afraid to say, flo, but you might well be dead of old age by the time this is over.
@@JRWall-hf9mq That would be hilarious. It would make a fantastic sequel.
Can’t get any information from the mainstream media...thank you for your content
Leon Dyer if you really like his content, support tldr via patreon
You probably get too much information and get lost in it
Is an extension till January 31 long enough? I mean, if there's an election, parliament will go campaigning for 25 days; it'll be December or nearly December by the time the UK has a new government. And December means a Christmas recess. It'll be January before they really will be discussing things, and by that time, the deadline of Jan 31 is looming.
Might as well skip a few extensions, and have the EU offer one till Dec 31, 2020 (the current date the transition period ends).
I've been wondering the same. To have campaign, than elections, to form a government and to discuss a deal again, it cant be done in a 3 months.
It all depends on the outcome of a GE. If a party holds a substantial majority at the end of it... then anything is possible in very little time.
Always good to actually review the legislation before you pass it. 😉
Tried to vote on Saturday? I thought they did vote and it didn't pass. The reason that Bercow stopped the vote was because it was the exact same thing as Saturday and nothing changed.
Even with EU saying no to extension, remainers still are adamant about stopping No-deal Brexit? With the time running out, there is little way forward. This deal won't go through.
Besides, no deal means none of this disastrous legal hoops would ever have to haunt the UK
Please don’t say “WAB”
Boris fix your tie 🤦🏾♂️
It's intentional, but at the same time a depressing image.
He should slowly take it off and strangle someone
Lol, I literally just pressed the notification bell and this came up instantly
There is a fifth outcome, there is no extension given.
BJ: "If this vote fails I shall call for a general election." Vote fails. BJ: "Well what I meant was that I shall elect to generally not follow through on anything I say."
What is meant by the Speaker saying “Unlock” and “Clear the lobby”.
part of the voting process in parlament, people moving to other areas ect
Did this deal go through because the ERG expects to get their No Deal exit after the transition-period?
Because if almost everybody agrees that this deal is worse then Theresa May’s deal (I thought that the different status for NI was a red line and that having a bordercINSIDE the union was a no no) it is kinda strange that the hardliners suddenly agree.
Hang on 329 to 299 is a surprisingly large margin. Its about 52% to 48%. Where have I heard that figure before...
It wouldn't be wise for the EU to grant a "flextention": Those brexit delays cause a lot of uncertainty. Businesses have to plan their spendings in advance but they don't know how the UK and the EU will look like in a few weeks. This uncertainty is more harmful for some than a hard brexit. How could you plan trading if you don't know how trading will be possible? Should a EU company make deals with UK companies? What price should they offer? Do you include future tariffs or delays at the border? A lot of questions unanswered at the moment. A few companies (like Flybmi) already went bankrupt. So any delay is bad for the economy. But a delay without a defined time period woud be even worse.
Also it's again a shame how unprofessional UK politicians act. A bill that was ready for months get presented a day before the vote. What could possibly go wrong? And again the whole EU is affected by those games. All of this could've been solved YEARS ago.
It should have never even been put to a vote, literally were all this limbo because some twat wanted to prove a point to a splinter group of racists and ended up sparking a new wave of far right extremists
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You forgot the option where the EU simply doesn't grant an extension at all.
That option might be kind of out there, but it is on the table.
No! No more extensions, get on with it and get this mess over with.
We need an extension. I don't want my favorite show to end!
What do you mean over with? If we no deal then this is just the start, we would still need to negotiate an actual trade agreement because no one on their right minds would keep using WTO rules, so wed still be dealing with the exact same bullshit but you'd then also have all the other negotiations with all the other countries which most likely include having to give more visas to places like India, China and Africa.
Not to mention all the chaos at borders, possibly reigniting war in Ireland and major economic damage.
No deal means years more of this bullshit
Bill survived to second ready probably because some MPs want analysis on the bill.
Looking forward to seeing what changed are proposed to the brexit law. As I understand, it can still be changed like say add a requirement for a second referendum or whatever. Those kind of things can change the meaning of the law a lot.
This video has somewhat of an error in the animation. At 8:15, the vote on the programme motion was read out at Ayes 308, Noes 322, whereas at 9:26, the screen shows 322 Ayes and 308 Noes. The narration is correct, just an error in the animation.
TLDR news said the EU have 4 options there is a 5th option, no extension. All it would take is one of the 27 nations saying no extension and we are out on the 31st, with no deal in place.
Just because remaners coerced the PM into to requesting an extension does not mean the leaders of every EU nation will approve it, even if just one member does not accept it we are out in a weeks time.
Brexit is the best anime. Fight me.
The EU has a fifth option that you didn't mention. Announce tomorrow no extension. This would force MPs to get back into parliament and agree the deal. If they worked through the weekend then there's still time.
Please never say WAB again
WAB
9:26 You got your Ayes crossed and your Noes out of joint. (they backwards)
I don't think they review their work before publishing it.
If they'll plaster pure fictions on a big red bus, then sliding a Micky in legislation while debating under pressure at warp speed is an absolute given, Boris couldn't lie straight in bed.
Thanks for explaining this so well x
Had the withdrawal agreement since Feb but only publish it 10 days before the due date? Sounds like a half-arsed job that the Government would do.
Funny how Tusk stated to the UK "Do not waste this time" - what have we seen? Colossal time wasting, taking summer recess during the most important political time of their careers and then an attempt to prorogue, followed by party conference time. Does that show to anyone (EU included), that the UK Gov is taking this seriously? What's more important to point out, is that this is only the withdrawal (phase 1) - the UK needs to start trade negotiations with the EU, which will take years to complete. Not a good start by trying their patience before?
This is going to continue for at least the next 5, maybe 10 years. The WAB needs to be scrutinised at every step, and I'd prefer a really good examination of our future then this rushed, back of a fag packet attempt to get it done by Oct 31, just because Johnson needs it to be as he's hosted himself by his own petard with this whole "dead in a ditch" comment.
so the 4 requirements mentioned around minute 1 basically comes down to parliament needs to be allowed to do its job and legislate by scrutinizing and voting on the governments plan and turn it into law (to withdraw, political declaration, and future relationship framework?). So they voted for bojo's deal which was similar to may's deal, but didn't vote for the timetables... Interesting.
It seems that the EU is more open to extension considering that Bojo's shenangans have been preventing the proper legislative process from going through and that Bojo tried to run down the clock and undemocratically force his deal
I was hoping for more coverage of the limbo/Dante/Harry Potter/Monty Python discussion in parliament that happened after the final vote.
In the next election, my vote goes to Lord Buckethead.
Nobody wants any delay. This is the perfect opportunity to get the clean break we voted for. No Deal is the best deal for the UK
Said a person who knows nothing about ecomonics.
There is nothing clean about it. And it does not end Brexit. It is the starting point of years and years of negotiations. And with No-Deal happening the EU will not grant a FTA anytime soon possibly never. It will be a normal trade deal with somewhat better WTO terms but not much in 3 to 6 years time. And businesses will continue to leave UK, the new border ruins their bussiness models and increase the costs.
@@AaronOkeanos From when are the UK citizens so simpleminded. You are right but the your average Joe is blind to these facts.
The EU won't ever agree to a deal that makes Brexit good for the UK, if the UK leaves successfully the EU may start it's dissolution. IMO the moment you voted for Brexit the No-Deal scenario was the only good deal you would get.
@@Thranduil82 That's fanatic leaver rhetoric. The EU will not break up, Brexit actually strengthen it. UK was always a little millstone over the years slowing things down. And at the moment chances are very high, that UK break apart, NI by the deal or by GFA/referendum, Scotland by independence and even Wales starts to think about it now.
At 9:27 the 322 should be for the no group not the yes group
The deal was never intended to stick, it was a trap so Boris could abandon it and get his no deal.
Acceptance was fine for leave, providing that the timetable failed.
That made the agreement worthless to Boris if extended and will burn his hedge fund backers.
This also allows significant time to study the bill and prepare amendments. It is probably going to be train wrecked if brought back now.
Wait what ? What is the WAB ? And what links does it have to the Deal ? How come it’s been ready since february but there have been two different deals ?
this is the actual legislation, without success on the prior two it was gong to be ammended heavily by parliament fundamentally changing it, which then will cause it to return to the EU forcing the government to negotiate based on the ammended text, Boris pushed it out without the confirmatory vote to make a show of doing something so now will have the document scrutinised & ammended, he's hoping to stop it here, win a general election, then control how it's ammended, but if he doesn't get that he's effectively handed control of negotiation to parliament, which the goverment spent the entire term of May's government fighting against as it had no majority, & which is why the process has gone nowhere till now, can't do much if it isn't representative of the people's will/can't get a majority from the people the U.K voted in as representatives at the last geneal election, & a good way to ensure that support doesn't exist is to sideline parlament through the process.
You know what I find funny? Article 50 which parliament voted on and made a British law says that if we don’t have a deal by the end of the negotiations all the way back when may was pm then we would leave with a no deal. Four years on and we still haven’t left. But now parliament scrutinises Boris for proroguing parliament and takes him to court. Yet they haven’t followed a law that they themselves voted for, technically in law we should have left with no deal 2 years ago.
negotiations were extended, which very blatantly has been required due in part to the process being ongoing during a hung parliament with a government negotiating in minority largely on a one party agenda which was always gong to cause issues, & in part due to the original timetable being optimistic in the first place, even under ideal circumstances for negotiations which these have not been
Abolish the backstop?
False. It's permanent.
I would like to know if the UK public preferred the idea of a second referendum or a General Election.
Could hold a referendum on whether to have a second referendum or a general election.
@@Membersacc quite
@@Membersacc I think the most democratic solution at this point would be a plebiscite between leaving without a deal and remaining with the winner of that plebiscite being then proposed against the current deal negotiated by the Johnson gov't. This could either be achieved through a STV voting system on one day or - and this would be the preferred option imo two referendum separated by approximately a month or so. Anything short of this is going to leave some group feeling totally disenfranchised in the next 6 months.
Your numbers are flipped at 9:28, should be 308 ayes, 322 noes
Wish we had TLDR for what's going on in the USA. Love your videos. Between my VPN so I can access iPlayer and SkyNews I feel like I know more about what's going on overseas then I do in my own country.
The relationship with the EU will depend on any treatys made by future governments and is not on law to decide....
If Brexit does happen can Northern Ireland and Scotland vote on leaving UK before it takes effect?
NI doesn't have a democratic majority to even push for that, Scotland would leave into a transitional arrangement with the U.K & then after a general election could attempt to leave the U.K & then after that if successful apply for E.U membership, while the U.K is a member the U.K & possibly also Spain would block a fast(comparitively, it may take years in any case) process back in for Scotland, however after this stage of brexit passes, if it does, it would become much easier for Scotland to rejoin, assuming they have membership of a national U.K government & also a majority in Scotland after the next general election, without the first they can just be told no & can't do much about it till they acheive that at a later general election, without the second they(the SNP) can't even ask. Of course with the SNP as part of national government it's entirely possible brexit doesn't occur anyway. It'll depend on how people vote when given a say.
Politics is the area I am too weak and to understand the above clip is beyond my knowledge. There are still many jargons which laymen can understand.
EU should grant a 2-4 week technical extension and force the house to debate the agreement. If it's not agreed then they should then grant a longer extension with a requirement to hold a general election.
Remember everyone, if you see a TLDR News video without a spelling mistake on screen, that signifies that MI5 have taken over the channel.
Should Boris say ""accelerate no deal preparations"? You would hope those preparations would be on schedule to be complete for the 31st.
I am aware there are a lot of tests, preparations, resources, training and legal work that won't be ready in time. Just surprised Boris worded it like that.
excellent reportage!!!
Not gonna lie I'm still confused.
I thought Bercow was leaving?
To think the speaker will be leaving on 31st is very worrying. If this chaos is pretty much set to continue beyond that date.
Please just call it the bill and not WAB...please