I use Capture One as my primary RAW convertor and was considering purchasing On1 Photo RAW 2024 as a plugin as recommended by some users. Andy's candid and honest review has saved from making a totally useless purchase.. Thanks.
Asset management is very good, no two ways about that. The RAW converter is OK, but not great. The transform tool is no better than the one that was already included in the first versions of Lightroom almost 20 years ago. Denoising is available, but absolutely no match for DxO or Topaz. AI masking and auto masking are ridiculous, I'm much faster with traditional masking in DxO PhotoLab, not to even mention Lightroom's excellent auto masking. The same applies to the repair and healing tools. ON1 almost overwhelms users with tons of features and free gimmicks such as hundreds of LUTs, textures, borders and presets, but at the same time, they underwhelm users with the mediocre quality of most features. And seriously: Who on Earth needs a sky swapping tool? It seems to me that ON1 Photo RAW targets hobby photographers who want to pimp their snapshots quickly and effortlessly, but provides no tools for professionals or even aspiring amateurs. It's a do-everything-in-one-place software and as such it's a jack of all trades, master of none. If you're content with that, Photo RAW might be a suitable software for you. For me, it isn't.
As a photographer myself, i find on1 raw to be very capable tool. This review was over critical especiallially on brilliance AI piece. It gives you plenty of control to adjust. Editing photos is a creative process and very subjective. anyone expecting a tool to do everything for them perfectly by a click is being unrealistic. No tool is perfect i found on1 to allow me to to do everything at a fraction of the cost as others. Yes i do have adobe suite at work so i know it well. I also used capture one before and own neo too which is brilliant for quick adjustments. As you stated, the devs have put a lot in this features wise and not all have been executed perfectly but if you have a limited budget then its really between this,neo and acdsee. The other two your comparing to are nearly 3x the price.
Thank you. Same melody for half a decade - 'almost usable'. I got me a license years back and ended up being deeply disappointed with ON1 within a month, and the wasted money was not the issue. Since then, I have been aware of the fact, that improvements are introduced in small increments, as if a totally well functioning application would prevent future sales. Changing subject: It would be nice if we, your loyal audience, could download the raw images you use for tests, e.g. the one you used for testing the demosaicing in this video - It would be interesting to compare how the favorite raw editor performs.
Thank-you Eigil. I did spend a bit of time reading the user forums to see if I was being too harsh about On1 but the general consensus was not complimentary. I'll give some thought to the RAW files .
Great review. I like your style and sense of humor. I really like that you pointed out shortcomings. Nothing seems to be too catastrophic but they are worrisome. I am sorry I did not see your review 'before' I purchased Photo Raw 2024.
TY Andy. ON1's best feature to me is the rich variety of presets and effects. Its weakest points are: 1- performance & stability (crashes), 2 - masking.
Negatively constructive criticism... but done the right way! Impressed and appreciative on what you've shared. Made me pause from purchasing it with what you've showed...
Slightly harsh! I use both PhotoLab and ON1, as a Fuji shooter PhotoLab is great for correcting images, but I find ON1 better for creative edits. On the Brilliance AI you could have either turned down the whole opacity of the change, or better just opened up the advanced settings and turned down the colour using the slider, just two clicks which is not bad.
Thanks Martin. This is true - I could have gone and fixed it up - but I could do that in LR with the auto button too. And if I have to go in and alter it every time I use it - why not just do the edits myself in the first place? I found the Brilliance AI to be inconsistent and the masks it produced all needed tweaking, therefore removing any time-saving benefits from the process. It's not a terrible tool, but the developers make very bold claims for it and I found it failed to meet expectations. P.S. Is your username a reference to the colony on LV-426?
I completely agree with your comments about Keyword AI. You did not do a photo with people so you did not mention some other totally useless keywords such as "nose" and "chin". Masking is also a weak spot - mainly refining the edges. They have improved this over time, but there are still issues in some situations. Interestingly the feature you liked the most is one that I do not use (grading, finding photos). I make the file name of a photo useful in finding a group of photos taken at the same general time or that contain specific people. However I am still waiting for ON1 to be able to ID specific people (a feature PhotoShop Elements has had for years). I use PSE to go through photos and find unique people whose names then get added to the metadata of all photos they are in.
Thanks! I found this very useful. Looking for a raw editor for basic work, should be relatively easy to use. I'll strike ON1 from my list now. Still hanging between PhotoLab and Lightroom, with slight preference for the first because of no subscription.
For 'non-professional' photo editors who are not into importing into an app but just using the O/S file manager ON 1 is far superior. In fact with the latest updates I have canned Lightroom and just use Bridge/ACR/Photoshop. For finishing off or creative effects I use Actions/Scripts and ON1 Effects 2023. If anything, it's the lack of an equivalent to Actions and/or Scripts which is the main negative for me.
Could you share the general specs of the machine(s) on which you experienced the noticeable boost in speed? (I’m asking as someone evaluating running this on Mac Pro Trashcan (2013) &/or 2015 rMBP (quad/16GB) Both have dedicated Graphics, but both are somewhat dated. I’m curious how intensive this version is compared to 2023, and your comment stood out in that regard. Cheers.
As an ON1 user for a few years now - 1 that has upgraded yearly eventually when a cheap enough deal was offered - I downloaded the trial of 2024 when it first came along and was disappointed enough not to bother considering upgrading this year. They do have a history of promising the miraculous and delivering the medicre (eg their AI masking when it first came along a year or 2 back). However, their new 2024.5 upgrade is due this month and (they say) features enormous improvements to the AI masking and speed of use. Whether this is the upgrade 2024 SHOULD have been...who knows. Sounds like that's what they're trying to accomplish. Be interesting if you did a review of that when it comes along. No issues with your criticisms of 2024 - on a user group there are many grumbles about how useless Brilliance AI has turned out to be, and the denoise AI.
For someone who doesn't want an expensive lightroom or photoshop, ON1 is fine for me. It can do HDR, it can do panorama and even Focus bracketing and I would say better than Luminar NEO. I'm not sure, but Capture One and even DxO Photolab can't do this. And for me, as a landscape photographer, these tweaks are important.
As an amateur photographer I don’t have real big requirements for photo editing. Currently I’m on the photography plan for Lightroom and photoshop which costs around $14/mth with 1tb of storage. Wondering if getting the basic On1 outright and pointing it to iCloud Drive for storage would work. I haven’t looked at the pricing yet. But I would have it on my Mac Mini and MacBook Air as well as the iPad Pro 12.9. 200gb iCloud storage is about $5/mth. Only other thing is tethered capture. I don’t do it much but when I do it’s bloody handy for my family portrait shoots. What do you think, Andy?
Sounds like it'd be a good fit for you. You get a month to test it on the free trial and you can see if the iCloud is a viable option. You'd have to check install limitations though - not sure how many they allow.
@@Andyhutchinson I installed it on the iPad. Seems easy enough to use. But for cloud sync there is a charge (forget how much - brain is too frazzled at 7.20am) but it stores images in the Photos app. Not what I want. When I go away I might take the ipad or the Macbook (or both). With Lightroom on the iPad, new images imported from the SD card get uploaded to the cloud and sync across the Mini and the MBA. I think that I'll stick with LrC for the time being. If I could change the location of images storage on the iPad then I'd seriously consider On1. Thanks again for the review.
@@Andyhutchinson Update: tried it on the Mac. It will access iCloud Drive but it's limited in what it will allow me to do. I copied some images (RAW) over to a folder in iCloud Drive and pointed On1 to them. Slow as treacle to access and load. And a message popped up saying that files need to be stored locally on the HDD as well as in the cloud. Or words to that effect. So, that's the end of the experiment. Thanks again for posting your video. It's appreciated. Learning a lot from your channel.
I don't think it matters what software you choose. As long as the software you are using helps with your creative process. Even the best software is useless if the individual using it doesn't make it work for them.
Finally something on Portrait Editing, Hey Andy I have another question for you concerning presets. Do On1 raw have any presets like Lightroom has for portraits? It seems like 95% of all the writing on youtube only deals with Landscape photos when it comes to ON1 Raw. I have to admit one of the luring things about Lightroom is the writers aren't afraid to deal with editing portraits on a daily basis. The presets that deal with the face and individual parts of the face and body are very very appealing but it seems like on1 can do the same thing it just needs to be talked about more. I prefer to stay in On1 unless I have to go into Photoshop or Neo. Can you discuss apples to apples Lightroom's workflow vs On1 workflow? Tell me what you think and how can I make On1 act as if it was lightroom.
Not sure Mark. If you pay for the full version you do get access to that library and there's a tonne of presets in there - be very surprised if there weren't some specialised portrait ones. :)
I use On1 for all my work. I don't like the DXO workflow though the results are good and Lightroom is just ransomeware for someone my age - I still want to edit my photos even I can no longer afford the upgrade. I agree with your thoughts on Brilliance AI - the results can be garish and the masking dreadful - but AI Auto is still available as an option, and I prefer the results as a basis for fine adjustments. Pity it can't be made default. Too much of the available options are hidden for no real benefit, they take time to find. My favourite mask is probably luminance, if you can find it - who thought a light bulb was a good idea?
I did download the trial version and tested it on a couple of RAWs. As I recall it was pretty good, but didn't have the best highlights and shadows recovery. Might be worth a second look though - so thanks for reminding me about it. :)
The issue with a photo editor is that there is a huge learning curve. This is why I stick with capture one even though I wholly agreed with the review you did a little ago. I also tried on1 and similarly found it unimpressive and not a good reason to switch.
Honestly, I don't know. Maybe you're not used to British/Australian sarcasm? I guess the bottom line is that TH-cam already has plenty of 'reviews' which are actually just thinly disguised but bought and paid-for advertising. Personaly speaking, I don't like seeing people waste their hard-earned cash on products that aren't very good. There are far better photo editors on the market than On1.
Yes there are better ones on market, at 3x the price(in UK) Adobe even more depending on time frame. Totally at different price points and a fair comparison should have been with Neo and Acdsee. Sorry I have to agree, your review did appear in a mocking tone and I am British. You have quite a lot of polarising comments on your review. I think your expectations were too high that resulted in your tone to be deemed as mocking. "The Devs adding more features than their coding ability" was below the belt comment.
I gave you a thumbs down because you failed to illustrate a major benefit of Brilliance AI, which are the local adjustments it makes to the image. These adjustments and their masks can be accessed to tweak the result to taste without having to go through individual masking as with Super Select. Which you dinged by picking a very difficult image to mask with the boat overlaps and tricky masts. Thus, BAI does much more than say Auto in Lightroom or the previous version of On1 Raw. Then you spent a lot of time being critical of Keyword AI, a feature that does not have anything to do with editing images. While ignoring the ability to apply a multitude of useful Effects non-destructively in On1 Raw that require Photoshop with Lightroom. Also, you describe your preferences like Capture One with no mention of the cost differences. So your review is incomplete and biased.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, Philip. Funnily enough I did talk about the masks that Brilliance AI produces, but I removed it from the final edit of this video because it was 35 minutes long! Also I didn't find those local adjustments to be of much use, partly because the masking was inconsistent and partly because I didn't think the edits looked any good. I guess I should have said that all AI editing is pointless, since it will never match what we, the photographers, really want. But I do take your point and I should at least have mentioned those local adjustments in the video. The central issue is that it's not as capable a RAW editor as other applications and if you're starting from that point then why not just use an app that has a better demosaicing engine in the first place? (Which isn't C1 incidentally). As to the keywords - I concentrated the review on the new AI features because that's the main point of difference between this and previous versions. I always have a look at the way developers are marketing their products and focus on those features that they're pushing. In terms of effects there's really not much in there that LR can't do and what differences there are tend to be gimmicky things like sun flares and weather that something like Luminar Neo does much better and which no self-respecting landscape photographer would ever use anyway.
I accept that you as a professional landscape photographer would put the initial raw processor as the most important thing and judge software accordingly. However for us advanced amateurs who are looking to process our travel and family images quickly yet with some creativity, On1 Raw is excellent. And 2024, with the ability of Brilliance AI to perform batch edits "brilliantly" (although sometimes with too much color IMO) and then adjust using the excellent mask options readily available, provides a significant upgrade in performance. I just did a difficult harbor image with layers of boats and the masking selection of the boats, while not perfect, was fixed quickly with the perfect brush. While I like your videos and style, I think you should realize that there are different levels of viewers when it come to photo software, and comment accordingly. @@Andyhutchinson
I am one of those users who hate paying subscription. Currently, I am using Lightroom CS6 (as DAM & RAW editing) + ON1 Effects. I understand from your other videos that you prefer DXO Photolab. I have reviewed that software and found that their masking tools are control points which are outdated for decades. ON1 Effects have some capabilities that only Photoshop (not Lightroom) has.
You can't piss on Lightroom when it comes to masking, when really that one, even in the latest version is just hit and miss, mainly miss (especially on a photo like this without any clear subject) The brush isn't smart at all, and there is now a smart object selector, but it is flawed as well.
I have used On1 since 2022 and agree that the vision behind the software is good but coding execution leaves a lot to be desired. I have found it to be buggy and unreliable, having been told by support staff to uninstall it the hard way (having to disable virus software and use CC Cleaner to tidy up) several times due to database issues. The latest version is supposed to be faster but I have found the opposite, starts of fast but then after using it over time it is half as fast as the 2023 version. As Andy says coding needs to improve. If Adobe was a bit more user friendly and had a simpler structure I would drop this program even though I would need to pay an annual subscription.
ONI totally missed the boat with 2024. The UI is an utter mess now that they hid most of the tools you're looking all over the place looking for them....I'll be staying with 2023.
A useless review. The reviewer should actually find out something about the product before reviewing it. On1 isn't perfect. It has its problems. However a lot of his complaints were matters of personal preference and On1 allows for adjustments to the default. He also doesn't seem to understand the purpose of the Local tab.
And yet the comments section here would suggest otherwise. I fully understand the purpose of the 'local' tab - it's for 'local' adjustments. Adjustments, incidentally, which are nowhere near as easy to make as pretty much every other RAW editor on the market (with the possible exception of ACDSee) thanks to some decidedly dodgy masking tools. I don't have any favourites when I'm reviewing these apps - I simply point out the flaws. I realise this isn't very common on this platform where marketing dollars buy reviews, but I have a bit more integrity than that.
I think you did a great job pointing out some of the flaws, but you should have made a point to adjust the default settings to taste and then judge. I'm considering this program and that is a crucial adjustment to get desired results.
I agree. A useless review. All reviews are useless. Editing a photo is a process of problem solving towards achieving a specific look. A tutorial displaying your specific editing approach would be far more interesting.
I use Capture One as my primary RAW convertor and was considering purchasing On1 Photo RAW 2024 as a plugin as recommended by some users. Andy's candid and honest review has saved from making a totally useless purchase.. Thanks.
Thank-you :)
On1 2024 is awesome for someone who understands the software and knows how to use it.
There are worse apps, but many of the processing effects are gimmicky and the new AI features need work.
Asset management is very good, no two ways about that. The RAW converter is OK, but not great. The transform tool is no better than the one that was already included in the first versions of Lightroom almost 20 years ago. Denoising is available, but absolutely no match for DxO or Topaz. AI masking and auto masking are ridiculous, I'm much faster with traditional masking in DxO PhotoLab, not to even mention Lightroom's excellent auto masking. The same applies to the repair and healing tools.
ON1 almost overwhelms users with tons of features and free gimmicks such as hundreds of LUTs, textures, borders and presets, but at the same time, they underwhelm users with the mediocre quality of most features. And seriously: Who on Earth needs a sky swapping tool?
It seems to me that ON1 Photo RAW targets hobby photographers who want to pimp their snapshots quickly and effortlessly, but provides no tools for professionals or even aspiring amateurs. It's a do-everything-in-one-place software and as such it's a jack of all trades, master of none. If you're content with that, Photo RAW might be a suitable software for you. For me, it isn't.
As a photographer myself, i find on1 raw to be very capable tool. This review was over critical especiallially on brilliance AI piece. It gives you plenty of control to adjust. Editing photos is a creative process and very subjective. anyone expecting a tool to do everything for them perfectly by a click is being unrealistic. No tool is perfect i found on1 to allow me to to do everything at a fraction of the cost as others. Yes i do have adobe suite at work so i know it well. I also used capture one before and own neo too which is brilliant for quick adjustments. As you stated, the devs have put a lot in this features wise and not all have been executed perfectly but if you have a limited budget then its really between this,neo and acdsee. The other two your comparing to are nearly 3x the price.
Agreed! Of course, I haven't tried every application out there, but On1 is more than capable for my needs. Plus, it is constantly improving.
Thank you. Same melody for half a decade - 'almost usable'. I got me a license years back and ended up being deeply disappointed with ON1 within a month, and the wasted money was not the issue. Since then, I have been aware of the fact, that improvements are introduced in small increments, as if a totally well functioning application would prevent future sales.
Changing subject: It would be nice if we, your loyal audience, could download the raw images you use for tests, e.g. the one you used for testing the demosaicing in this video - It would be interesting to compare how the favorite raw editor performs.
Thank-you Eigil. I did spend a bit of time reading the user forums to see if I was being too harsh about On1 but the general consensus was not complimentary. I'll give some thought to the RAW files .
Great review. I like your style and sense of humor. I really like that you pointed out shortcomings. Nothing seems to be too catastrophic but they are worrisome. I am sorry I did not see your review 'before' I purchased Photo Raw 2024.
Thank-you. I believe that the good stuff and the bad stuff deserve equal airtime so that folks can make informed decisions about products :)
TY Andy. ON1's best feature to me is the rich variety of presets and effects. Its weakest points are: 1- performance & stability (crashes), 2 - masking.
Didn't experience any crashes, but agree otherwise :)
Negatively constructive criticism... but done the right way! Impressed and appreciative on what you've shared. Made me pause from purchasing it with what you've showed...
Appreciate it. It wouldn't be my first choice of recommendation for an asset manger/RAW editor.
Will you update this for v 2024.5 which seems to have fixed much of this?
I downloaded it when it came out and have been testing it. It does seem improved and yes I will be doing a new review.
Thank you very much, the video is very useful and informative.
Glad it was helpful! :)
Slightly harsh! I use both PhotoLab and ON1, as a Fuji shooter PhotoLab is great for correcting images, but I find ON1 better for creative edits.
On the Brilliance AI you could have either turned down the whole opacity of the change, or better just opened up the advanced settings and turned down the colour using the slider, just two clicks which is not bad.
Thanks Martin. This is true - I could have gone and fixed it up - but I could do that in LR with the auto button too. And if I have to go in and alter it every time I use it - why not just do the edits myself in the first place? I found the Brilliance AI to be inconsistent and the masks it produced all needed tweaking, therefore removing any time-saving benefits from the process. It's not a terrible tool, but the developers make very bold claims for it and I found it failed to meet expectations. P.S. Is your username a reference to the colony on LV-426?
@@Andyhutchinson I am impressed not many people get the Aliens reference
@@HadleyHope Top three favourite films of all time and probably the only directors cut that improved the film. :)
I completely agree with your comments about Keyword AI. You did not do a photo with people so you did not mention some other totally useless keywords such as "nose" and "chin". Masking is also a weak spot - mainly refining the edges. They have improved this over time, but there are still issues in some situations. Interestingly the feature you liked the most is one that I do not use (grading, finding photos). I make the file name of a photo useful in finding a group of photos taken at the same general time or that contain specific people. However I am still waiting for ON1 to be able to ID specific people (a feature PhotoShop Elements has had for years). I use PSE to go through photos and find unique people whose names then get added to the metadata of all photos they are in.
Thanks! I found this very useful. Looking for a raw editor for basic work, should be relatively easy to use. I'll strike ON1 from my list now. Still hanging between PhotoLab and Lightroom, with slight preference for the first because of no subscription.
Cheers :)
For 'non-professional' photo editors who are not into importing into an app but just using the O/S file manager ON 1 is far superior. In fact with the latest updates I have canned Lightroom and just use Bridge/ACR/Photoshop. For finishing off or creative effects I use Actions/Scripts and ON1 Effects 2023. If anything, it's the lack of an equivalent to Actions and/or Scripts which is the main negative for me.
I found that this version is *much* faster when navigating photos and modules compared to last year's version
Could you share the general specs of the machine(s) on which you experienced the noticeable boost in speed? (I’m asking as someone evaluating running this on Mac Pro Trashcan (2013) &/or 2015 rMBP (quad/16GB) Both have dedicated Graphics, but both are somewhat dated. I’m curious how intensive this version is compared to 2023, and your comment stood out in that regard. Cheers.
As an ON1 user for a few years now - 1 that has upgraded yearly eventually when a cheap enough deal was offered - I downloaded the trial of 2024 when it first came along and was disappointed enough not to bother considering upgrading this year. They do have a history of promising the miraculous and delivering the medicre (eg their AI masking when it first came along a year or 2 back). However, their new 2024.5 upgrade is due this month and (they say) features enormous improvements to the AI masking and speed of use. Whether this is the upgrade 2024 SHOULD have been...who knows. Sounds like that's what they're trying to accomplish. Be interesting if you did a review of that when it comes along.
No issues with your criticisms of 2024 - on a user group there are many grumbles about how useless Brilliance AI has turned out to be, and the denoise AI.
I'll definitely check out the update when it's released.
@@Andyhutchinsonthere are enthusiastic reviews of the latest upgrade, it would be interested to hear your opinion
For someone who doesn't want an expensive lightroom or photoshop, ON1 is fine for me. It can do HDR, it can do panorama and even Focus bracketing and I would say better than Luminar NEO. I'm not sure, but Capture One and even DxO Photolab can't do this. And for me, as a landscape photographer, these tweaks are important.
Yea, I'd say it was a better choice than Luminar Neo. Photolab is purely for RAW editing, ditto Capture One. :)
As an amateur photographer I don’t have real big requirements for photo editing. Currently I’m on the photography plan for Lightroom and photoshop which costs around $14/mth with 1tb of storage.
Wondering if getting the basic On1 outright and pointing it to iCloud Drive for storage would work. I haven’t looked at the pricing yet. But I would have it on my Mac Mini and MacBook Air as well as the iPad Pro 12.9.
200gb iCloud storage is about $5/mth.
Only other thing is tethered capture. I don’t do it much but when I do it’s bloody handy for my family portrait shoots.
What do you think, Andy?
Sounds like it'd be a good fit for you. You get a month to test it on the free trial and you can see if the iCloud is a viable option. You'd have to check install limitations though - not sure how many they allow.
@@Andyhutchinson I installed it on the iPad. Seems easy enough to use. But for cloud sync there is a charge (forget how much - brain is too frazzled at 7.20am) but it stores images in the Photos app. Not what I want.
When I go away I might take the ipad or the Macbook (or both). With Lightroom on the iPad, new images imported from the SD card get uploaded to the cloud and sync across the Mini and the MBA.
I think that I'll stick with LrC for the time being. If I could change the location of images storage on the iPad then I'd seriously consider On1.
Thanks again for the review.
@@Andyhutchinson Update: tried it on the Mac. It will access iCloud Drive but it's limited in what it will allow me to do. I copied some images (RAW) over to a folder in iCloud Drive and pointed On1 to them. Slow as treacle to access and load. And a message popped up saying that files need to be stored locally on the HDD as well as in the cloud. Or words to that effect.
So, that's the end of the experiment.
Thanks again for posting your video. It's appreciated. Learning a lot from your channel.
No worries. Out of interest what other apps have you tried? Maybe have a look at Mylio. There's a free plan that might do what you want. :)
I don't think it matters what software you choose. As long as the software you are using helps with your creative process. Even the best software is useless if the individual using it doesn't make it work for them.
100% :)
Finally something on Portrait Editing, Hey Andy I have another question for you concerning presets. Do On1 raw have any presets like Lightroom has for portraits? It seems like 95% of all the writing on youtube only deals with Landscape photos when it comes to ON1 Raw. I have to admit one of the luring things about Lightroom is the writers aren't afraid to deal with editing portraits on a daily basis. The presets that deal with the face and individual parts of the face and body are very very appealing but it seems like on1 can do the same thing it just needs to be talked about more. I prefer to stay in On1 unless I have to go into Photoshop or Neo. Can you discuss apples to apples Lightroom's workflow vs On1 workflow? Tell me what you think and how can I make On1 act as if it was lightroom.
Not sure Mark. If you pay for the full version you do get access to that library and there's a tonne of presets in there - be very surprised if there weren't some specialised portrait ones. :)
I use On1 for all my work. I don't like the DXO workflow though the results are good and Lightroom is just ransomeware for someone my age - I still want to edit my photos even I can no longer afford the upgrade. I agree with your thoughts on Brilliance AI - the results can be garish and the masking dreadful - but AI Auto is still available as an option, and I prefer the results as a basis for fine adjustments. Pity it can't be made default. Too much of the available options are hidden for no real benefit, they take time to find. My favourite mask is probably luminance, if you can find it - who thought a light bulb was a good idea?
Yea it's a strangely designed app, that's for sure.
Hi Andy, have you tried Photomator to edit Fujifilm Raws? Have you ever tried it? I would like to know your opinion.
I did download the trial version and tested it on a couple of RAWs. As I recall it was pretty good, but didn't have the best highlights and shadows recovery. Might be worth a second look though - so thanks for reminding me about it. :)
The issue with a photo editor is that there is a huge learning curve. This is why I stick with capture one even though I wholly agreed with the review you did a little ago. I also tried on1 and similarly found it unimpressive and not a good reason to switch.
Yea I certainly wouldn't switch from C1 to On1 - frying pan to fire.
...why do I get a "mocking" tone on your On1 "review"???
Honestly, I don't know. Maybe you're not used to British/Australian sarcasm? I guess the bottom line is that TH-cam already has plenty of 'reviews' which are actually just thinly disguised but bought and paid-for advertising. Personaly speaking, I don't like seeing people waste their hard-earned cash on products that aren't very good. There are far better photo editors on the market than On1.
Yes there are better ones on market, at 3x the price(in UK) Adobe even more depending on time frame.
Totally at different price points and a fair comparison should have been with Neo and Acdsee.
Sorry I have to agree, your review did appear in a mocking tone and I am British. You have quite a lot of polarising comments on your review. I think your expectations were too high that resulted in your tone to be deemed as mocking. "The Devs adding more features than their coding ability" was below the belt comment.
I liked Capture One more than ON1 PhotoRaw 2023.5
I gave you a thumbs down because you failed to illustrate a major benefit of Brilliance AI, which are the local adjustments it makes to the image. These adjustments and their masks can be accessed to tweak the result to taste without having to go through individual masking as with Super Select. Which you dinged by picking a very difficult image to mask with the boat overlaps and tricky masts. Thus, BAI does much more than say Auto in Lightroom or the previous version of On1 Raw.
Then you spent a lot of time being critical of Keyword AI, a feature that does not have anything to do with editing images. While ignoring the ability to apply a multitude of useful Effects non-destructively in On1 Raw that require Photoshop with Lightroom. Also, you describe your preferences like Capture One with no mention of the cost differences. So your review is incomplete and biased.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, Philip. Funnily enough I did talk about the masks that Brilliance AI produces, but I removed it from the final edit of this video because it was 35 minutes long! Also I didn't find those local adjustments to be of much use, partly because the masking was inconsistent and partly because I didn't think the edits looked any good. I guess I should have said that all AI editing is pointless, since it will never match what we, the photographers, really want. But I do take your point and I should at least have mentioned those local adjustments in the video. The central issue is that it's not as capable a RAW editor as other applications and if you're starting from that point then why not just use an app that has a better demosaicing engine in the first place? (Which isn't C1 incidentally).
As to the keywords - I concentrated the review on the new AI features because that's the main point of difference between this and previous versions. I always have a look at the way developers are marketing their products and focus on those features that they're pushing. In terms of effects there's really not much in there that LR can't do and what differences there are tend to be gimmicky things like sun flares and weather that something like Luminar Neo does much better and which no self-respecting landscape photographer would ever use anyway.
I accept that you as a professional landscape photographer would put the initial raw processor as the most important thing and judge software accordingly. However for us advanced amateurs who are looking to process our travel and family images quickly yet with some creativity, On1 Raw is excellent. And 2024, with the ability of Brilliance AI to perform batch edits "brilliantly" (although sometimes with too much color IMO) and then adjust using the excellent mask options readily available, provides a significant upgrade in performance. I just did a difficult harbor image with layers of boats and the masking selection of the boats, while not perfect, was fixed quickly with the perfect brush.
While I like your videos and style, I think you should realize that there are different levels of viewers when it come to photo software, and comment accordingly. @@Andyhutchinson
@@philipzwick good advice Philip and I accept the criticism. I will be more mindful of the varying backgrounds and skill levels in future. :)
I am one of those users who hate paying subscription. Currently, I am using Lightroom CS6 (as DAM & RAW editing) + ON1 Effects. I understand from your other videos that you prefer DXO Photolab. I have reviewed that software and found that their masking tools are control points which are outdated for decades. ON1 Effects have some capabilities that only Photoshop (not Lightroom) has.
where did you get the On1 mouse pad?
I don't have a mouse pad.
You can't piss on Lightroom when it comes to masking, when really that one, even in the latest version is just hit and miss, mainly miss (especially on a photo like this without any clear subject) The brush isn't smart at all, and there is now a smart object selector, but it is flawed as well.
I have used On1 since 2022 and agree that the vision behind the software is good but coding execution leaves a lot to be desired. I have found it to be buggy and unreliable, having been told by support staff to uninstall it the hard way (having to disable virus software and use CC Cleaner to tidy up) several times due to database issues. The latest version is supposed to be faster but I have found the opposite, starts of fast but then after using it over time it is half as fast as the 2023 version. As Andy says coding needs to improve. If Adobe was a bit more user friendly and had a simpler structure I would drop this program even though I would need to pay an annual subscription.
Thanks for backing me up on that. It has the bones of a good suite, but it's just too lacking in some important areas to recommend.
ONI totally missed the boat with 2024. The UI is an utter mess now that they hid most of the tools you're looking all over the place looking for them....I'll be staying with 2023.
A useless review. The reviewer should actually find out something about the product before reviewing it. On1 isn't perfect. It has its problems. However a lot of his complaints were matters of personal preference and On1 allows for adjustments to the default. He also doesn't seem to understand the purpose of the Local tab.
And yet the comments section here would suggest otherwise. I fully understand the purpose of the 'local' tab - it's for 'local' adjustments. Adjustments, incidentally, which are nowhere near as easy to make as pretty much every other RAW editor on the market (with the possible exception of ACDSee) thanks to some decidedly dodgy masking tools. I don't have any favourites when I'm reviewing these apps - I simply point out the flaws. I realise this isn't very common on this platform where marketing dollars buy reviews, but I have a bit more integrity than that.
I think you did a great job pointing out some of the flaws, but you should have made a point to adjust the default settings to taste and then judge. I'm considering this program and that is a crucial adjustment to get desired results.
I agree. A useless review. All reviews are useless. Editing a photo is a process of problem solving towards achieving a specific look. A tutorial displaying your specific editing approach would be far more interesting.
I never take advice from anyone with an Australian accent.
Probably shouldn't subscribe then, Gerald. 🤣