J.R. wasn’t confident in your friend group because everyone has their stuff together. He felt confident around Sandy’s family because they were impressed.
I love Zaina. She was the only good thing about this season. Zaina for the next Bachelorette!!! She’s classy and beautiful and deserves to have 25 men competing for her love.
The way she was able to communicate so calmly and clearly while still sticking up for herself was so admirable. I was taking notes, lol. She truly deserves the best ❤️
I think she should take some time for herself and try to heal. Men competing for her and screen time is the last thing she needs, in my opinion. But she really was classy and mature during the show. At the reunion not so much.
JR caught in a 4k bold face lie was the highlight of this reunion. I wish they would have played the clip of Sandy playing in Zays face. Both are Liars! I still believe they SMASHED!
I’m glad that Zaina called her out on it though! She was like “and you, you lied in my face and you brought up something completely unprovoked and I didn’t even ask for” Nick is an alcoholic but the way he and Zaina were treated, wasn’t deserved
The whole time watching the show i thought, JR can't wait to get into the Netflix universe. He like i aint commiting to anything, "I'm on a journey of self discovery!" aka "Discover me on Too Hot to handle! The Perfect Match!".
I think that people thought it was fake because he made it abundantly clear he wasnt all in. He was really rude and cold. And then when the dynamic of him not wanting to post you, not wanting you to comment on his posts, etc. Him not wanting any boundaries on the show. Those things aren't normal. Im sorry you went through that; 3 years is a long time.
Maybe I'm projecting but I think that people who are emotionally mature don't "get" people who suffer from arrested development. I didn't fully "evolve" until my 30s probably, and the best way to describe it would be - acting like a child. You know how children would lash out, or teenagers would be very cagey... And they don't fully get how their actions and words affect people around them, because they don't know how to process their own emotions, let alone anybody else's... It's normal for kids (to a degree), but can be very confusing when grownups behave like this. If I'm right about this - there can also be resentment from JR because Zaina has it all so perfect. Like a child would be jealous of another child. And probably some "imposter syndrome", because he feels beneath her and her friends/family. Maybe shame for finally getting exposed. I hope he heals and eventually apologize. But there's no guarantee, unfortunately.
I think it’s also about Zayna being very chilled about JR and Sandy and not worried about the chemistry. Cause to me it was obvious he’s completely fixated on Sandy, at least sexually. If that was my partner and I cared - I would freak out. Closer to Nicks reaction 😅
I wasn’t entertained by what Zaina went through but I was proud as hell of how she handled herself during the most stressful times. I think women deserve better than the men swimming around in this pool these days.
@ lord… watch Later Daters and you’ll realize that age has little to do with it too which is a shame lol. I want to get in the pool but I’m scurrreeddd 🤣
Watching the reunion and reflecting on the show, all these men were so problematic and never took accountability. Nick an alcoholic and abusive, Scotty a gaslighting, emotionally abusive one, JR a selfhating, cheating, misogynistic one, like 70% of them just angered me
Once JR looked in the camera and then started fake crying it was at that moment that I knew he thought he was in a soap opera… I’m still laughing about it 😂😂
100%!! I couldn't stop laughing every time he would cry. because it was so fake😂 pretty sure he quickly put some eye drops in before everything scene.😂
I think he lied about his ex cheating to be honest. He’s a narcissist. They will lie and tell you someone did something to them when they in fact did it.
I think he told a half lie. I've known so many men like him and I've seen a specific scenario that I think played out in his marriage. I think he was cheating and kept cheating. And then his girl EVENTUALLY cheated back and then he couldn't take that, left the marriage and made himself the victim. I know that's a big assumption to make but I've seen this so many times. That even might be honestly giving him too much credit though because he's forever lying.
I was CLAPPING at the reunion when they caught JR in 4k, saying he has a hall pass… ☠️. Zaina is the favorite, for sure! I can’t wait to see her on something else!
J.R. Is full of crap. He is jealous of Zaina’s success and it’s clear. This is why he treated her so poorly. I’m so glad she’s out of that because some men can’t stand a beautiful, intelligent, and strong woman. I had an ex get angry with me anytime I got a promotion, raise or bonus. Dude would be passive aggressive and lash out.
@ wow 🤦🏽♀️. The level of insecurity some of these men have is crazy. I’m sorry you went through that. Must have been traumatizing to be with someone so …
How do you date someone who wont even let you follow him bc he doesn’t want anyone to know you’re together ?? That is one of the wildest things I’ve ever heard.
This is why they need new hosts on that show!! Nick and Vanessa Lachay are so so bad at reunions. I’m so annoyed every show they do and find the reunions are a waste of time. They suck!!!
Man seeing her break down and cry got me cuz on the show she barely showed emotion so to see her crying is sad cuz she was so genuine he lost a good one fr
I think Zaina hit the nail on the head, I think JR really did get on the show to break up with her. That’s why everyone didn’t believe they were really together, he was acting as if he’s single already
@@goris2318 it was also cause he’s trash. He didn’t want any of his other objects, how he sees women, knowing that he had a girlfriend. Men want all the attention and they cannot handle when a woman is better than them at anything. JR is one of the weakest men I’ve ever seen. So pathetic and embarrassing
Too add on I think it was bc either he didn’t want people (women) knowing he wasn’t single (so he can cheat peacefully) or so men that follow him won’t be trying to view her profile and/or send her dm’s
I feel like it's hard to believe that Zaina and JR were are real couple because Zaina is giving affluent, educated and well-rounded while JR was giving fake it till you make it bum energy
@nicholnunn8074 that too. But they just made no sense on an outside perspective. I couldn't comprehend how they had conversations with each other, seeing how different they speak to others on the show.
@@jkjyum I know she said faith had to do with how they first connected, but probably also heavily had to do with looks and attraction too. Just like you, I never saw a spark or anything special with their relationship, but hey, she did say some things did happen before they started taping the show that changed her mood; but from the beginning, he never really seemed that interested in her, or at least as much as she seemed. Both of them are 2 good looking people, which is kind of what surprises me on how much he refused to have her around his social media. I feel like based off their looks alone, posting fitness content together would have boosted their followings, which is what he seemed to have wanted to happen on his end.
Zaina. You are a queen. I was in the comments defending your relationship because I never doubted it was real. I think people are struggling with how badly he treated you. I’ve seen men flip a switch like that so not too shocking. Dang… took the words out my mouth Cheyenne.
So proud of Zay! I was taking notes on the way she handled confrontations with Scotty. That is something I've been personally working on because i start cutting up but I don't want to be like that. I'm in my joy era of just calling that energy in and getting more control over my emotions. So IMPRESSED!!! I also agree with Zay that it feels like JR went on the show to end the relationship. He has some severe insecurities and i feel like he gets on mute in a room with you all because you all embody powerful, go getter women that just rattles his soul and brings out those insecurities even more so. I have so many thoughts lol, but Have an amazing holiday trip crew!
I felt the way JR would look at her seemed he was jealous of Zaina and insecure. She lights up a room. He even calls her toxic positivity. Who says that?
@@sydneyhopes girl same 😭😭🤣🤣I remember telling myself “If I’m wrong about this guy and he ends up being an amazing guy, I will evaluate myself because I might be denying good men in my life”. But nope I wasn’t wrong 😂😂I just heard the voice, saw the braids and said oh hell no!
Oh wow I didn’t know we were getting this now. Yay! Keep being you Zaina you’re really strong and I’m happy that you have support near since your family is not in LA.
Is it just me or Cheyenne stay interrupting everybody she don’t let them finish a sentence DAMN!!! Please don’t shout over them, we need to hear their opinion too
Zaina , you are a class act girl!!! JR is nowhere near your league. Please never stop being genuine. Just watch for these red flags - eg not wanting to post you on socials. I promise, love feels so much better, JR is a breadcrumbs person and you will find someone amazing girlie cause you’re stunning!!
Thank you Zay for sharing your life with us! You are such an AMAZING woman and you deserve nothing but the best. You are an inspiration for us all!! We love you!
I feel like you would have to be nuts to not want to be with zaina. She is the total package and genuinely one of the most stunning people I have ever seen in my life. She seems like such a sweet soul.
I know Zaina keeps saying JR was different with her prior to being on the show, but the social media situation and him thinking she was trying to compete with him, is such an ugly way for your partner to act towards you. So I’m not surprised that a man who would do all of that would disrespect her on a tv show. He was already disrespecting her and she ignored it.
I think Zaina handled this like a secure and grounded person. Once she saw what we saw, she bounced. JR is really good at telling you what you want to hear but only in isolated settings where nobody is keeping track of what he's saying. He showed her one side, he showed Sandy another. He always wants to look like a good guy but he has very little actual personality himself. A fit tall black man whose hobbies are lifting, looking good, and grinding at his "business"? That's not a dream, that a cardboard cutout that doesnt stand for long.
I wanna toughen Aria up to but I honestly feel like she was gaslit so much in that relationship and with her dad being similar to Scotty.. poor girl has so much trauma.
Yes hers didn’t work so she was going to try to mess somebody else’s up. She pissed me off with that. I think she’s pissed Caleb didn’t move forward with her
Right! They need to work on synergy and decorum! I'm only here because Zaina is doing a recap. But I don't think I can finish listening 😕 it's exhausting
JR is such a scumbag. But women YOU had to demand you be treated better. Right off the back there were crazy red flags and Zaina let this man stand on that for 3 years.
Never seen this channel before, such a nice vibe and Zania is a queen!!! If she ever wants to cross a bridge to the sapphic realm, I would treat her as such (just kidding, great chat!) P.s. I wanna know what else is in the reciepts folder. 😂😂😂
Sadly, Zaina fell in love with a narcissist because that's exactly what JR is. But thankfully, he exposed himself on national tv for the world to see! Now, maybe other women who've watched can learn and make sure to avoid these kinds of men.
Zaina. You are strong and you are worthy of having someone love you properly. Its great to hear that you allowed yourself to heal and deal with your emotions. You have a strong support system. I applaud you for how you went through the process and how you maturely moved forward. Happy Holidays ladies. Enjoy your time off❤
Love the ending Shanan!! My mother has passed away this year and the holidays suck. I haven’t had anyone to check in one me. So hearing you say that was helpful.
The way Zaina dealt with Scotty in that conflict scene was PERFECT. That’s the only way you deal with a narcissist. Poor Aria, I felt for her in that relationship.
JR definitely didn’t like Zaina. Whether it was cause of jealousy or hateration but it was clear as day. The he spoke to her and about her was trash!! Zaina is so special and deserves a man who’s gonna adore her equally.
I don't think JR likes women full stop. His montage was very disrespectful to women. Objectify them like they were his play things and leading with sex. Awful
This narrative is trash, sorry. Quick to call a him gay? There is nothing to allude to him not liking women. We literally saw and heard him pine over Sandy. There are many bitter straight men who are misogynist and that what he is. Hes insecure and is a clown!
While Zaina is lovely and I like her personality. She appeared as a pick me, JR clearly desired to move on from Zaina. While it is his loss, as she truly appears sincere, she had some delusional moments. The reason the "God" conversation often confuses me is that people frequently say, "God saved me from [something]." However, we all have free will. The decisions we make lead to consequences or outcomes based on those choices. God isn’t saving anyone from poor decisions, and good or bad things happen to people equally-it’s part of life’s balance.
Zaina was a little bit oblivious.. like he didn't want to post you, another woman DMed you about him messaging her and he didn't wanna marry you. Like girl... how did you expect this experience to be beneficial to you in any way?
Sometimes people can wear a mask and we think we know them and we don’t. I dated a guy for 8 year and in end I didn’t even know who he was. Nice genuine people they can’t understand that people are like that but they are they can put on a show and for years. I was with a guy that could literally make himself cry and I see that in JR I think who he showed Zaina he was and sandy for that matter and who he really was are not the same. The sad part is sometimes with people like that no one ever knows who the real them is.
I don’t think JR came into character once the show aired, his true character just revealed itself. Zaina got his representative the first couple of years of the relationship. Then the mask came off. THIS IS WHO HE IS. If he would have kept a strong woman like Zaina by his side instead of looking at her as competition, his life would probably be excelling and elevating…..But he’s too into himself and self absorbed to allow that. Now her life is flourishing since she has let that dead weight go. ❤Keep thriving beautiful
I'm sure JRs parents are embarrassed! But then again, that's probably what he wanted, he seems like the rebellious type that's ok with embarrassing any and everyone, while he's really only embarrassing himself!
7:30 ZAYYY NOOOOOOOO. Can’t post? Can’t comment? I have to portray I’m single? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 how’d it take the show to realize this man ain’t worth you, don’t deserve you, should’ve never had a chance with you 😭😭😭😭😭 Either way glad u realized !
JR had a hard time saying simple truths. When a person can't stop lying over every little thing even things that don't make sense. Like him saying that Zaina and him did nothing together over Thanksgiving but Zaina instantly correcting him saying actually they did. It's like what was the point of lying about that? It's sad for him because he's so fake and everything he does. It seems he doesn't even know what's real anymore. He's a pathological liar.
On a more serious note, we as women have to stop wiping our asses with the red flags. They're there. Listen when men talk and watch how they handle you. Not wanting to post you is a problem... it doesn't have to be daily, but not even once? Stop letting men play in and around your face... one wrong move, be gone. Wear the clown nose and do better next time sis. ❤ Edit: forgive yourself for not choosing yourself for x amount of years. Forgive your own naivety.
Seeing Zaina on The Ultimatum after watching Chey on TM along with R and Shanan on the podcast for so long and seeing Zaina there occasionally was the craziest crossover 😂❤️
Zaina is dope and JR is wack. In reality, he was jealous of her. Highly insecure of a man, he essentially said so….Women please take heed of dudes like him 🚩
Cheyennes face when Zaina speaks about Sandy 😂😂😂 the balance of yalls friendship is everything!!! Zaina, your spirit is beautiful & your husband will have the personality of Cheyenne…mark my words!
Only reason I'm "happy" Zaina was with JR is coz when she finds a real mature, loving man she's gonna look back at JR and laugh that she entertained someone like him. She gave him a chance because she sees the best in people. She never seemed unreasonable or pushy, actually put up with a lot of stuff with the social media thing. Lot of guys would love someone that chilled. As for JR - if he hasn't grown up by now he never will. He's better suited to someone like Sandy but even younger and just as vapid as he is.
Someone said it right before that J. R is still that “little ugly boy” in his head. Zaina girl you are a gem I’m so glad you are healing and out of this relationship.
Zay Bbygirl forget about the closure you think you needed... you were with a full blown narcissist who literally thinks he did nothing wrong & for that reason he will never be able to realize what the actual truth is even though like you said "it's in 4k" & right in his face! lol Just go with god sis bc he had your whole entire back through this process!
Zaina is beautiful and deserves way better! It made me mad watching it. I’ve dated people like that and it bothered my soul but there is someone out there for her that’s way better!!! And that will treat her like she deserves.
I feel bad for Zaina but she really needs to let go. It's hard and it hurts but she shouldn't have any contact with him at all and focus on herself. JR actually did her a favor by blocking her on social media. That is something she should have done herself right after the show! It's great that she has such great friends, who are supporting her! I hope she can heal now and forget about this absolute buffoon! She deserves so much better!
we all know zaina was the most beautiful and mature PERSON there! my heart hurts she didnt get her happy ending but I know with how she is, she going to be just FINE❤
Zaina, JR did not go to the show to break up with you. He went to the show to become an influencer. The break up was going to happen regardless. He did not like you.
Zaina was desperate for his love ignoring all the signs and that's a learning lesson. Gotta look at self and not just bash the man. That's victim mentality. Ex. buying gifts for him and not reading J.R at all. He didn't even want her on his social media. This man clearly didn't want to hurt her but wasn't in love with her . He said she loved him more. He looked at Sandy with passion and spoke about her with passion in front of Zaina, didn't even hug her at change over. She's a beautiful woman and deserves true love but gotta stop the victim mentality and take accountability for living in a fantasy and putting on the blinders so that it doesn't happen again
J.R. wasn’t confident in your friend group because everyone has their stuff together. He felt confident around Sandy’s family because they were impressed.
This 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
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Great analysis! I thought the same thing. He was intimidated by them.
Yesss!! I was going to say, he was probably very shy around them because he sees them as “more successful than him”
This!
The way my heart filled with pride when Zaina stood up to Scotty and then finally left! I was like let’s gooooooo
I love Zaina. She was the only good thing about this season. Zaina for the next Bachelorette!!! She’s classy and beautiful and deserves to have 25 men competing for her love.
Facts!
The way she was able to communicate so calmly and clearly while still sticking up for herself was so admirable. I was taking notes, lol. She truly deserves the best ❤️
Yaaassssss!
That would be cool!
I think she should take some time for herself and try to heal. Men competing for her and screen time is the last thing she needs, in my opinion. But she really was classy and mature during the show. At the reunion not so much.
JR caught in a 4k bold face lie was the highlight of this reunion. I wish they would have played the clip of Sandy playing in Zays face. Both are Liars! I still believe they SMASHED!
I’m glad that Zaina called her out on it though! She was like “and you, you lied in my face and you brought up something completely unprovoked and I didn’t even ask for” Nick is an alcoholic but the way he and Zaina were treated, wasn’t deserved
@@ChefAssassin YES…that was the BEST part!!!
They definitely did
No question at all they did. That’s why Sandy was like, okay I’m done now. She got what she wanted. JR got played.
Of course they did. Everytime she was near JR she looked 💦
The whole time watching the show i thought, JR can't wait to get into the Netflix universe. He like i aint commiting to anything, "I'm on a journey of self discovery!" aka "Discover me on Too Hot to handle! The Perfect Match!".
Yeeeeeep
Yep i heard he’s on the perfect match and he’s hanging out with other Netflix reality peeps
Him and sandy !!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Very true!! I’m sure we will see him on something.
Faaaacctts 😂
I think that people thought it was fake because he made it abundantly clear he wasnt all in. He was really rude and cold. And then when the dynamic of him not wanting to post you, not wanting you to comment on his posts, etc. Him not wanting any boundaries on the show. Those things aren't normal. Im sorry you went through that; 3 years is a long time.
Maybe I'm projecting but I think that people who are emotionally mature don't "get" people who suffer from arrested development. I didn't fully "evolve" until my 30s probably, and the best way to describe it would be - acting like a child. You know how children would lash out, or teenagers would be very cagey... And they don't fully get how their actions and words affect people around them, because they don't know how to process their own emotions, let alone anybody else's... It's normal for kids (to a degree), but can be very confusing when grownups behave like this.
If I'm right about this - there can also be resentment from JR because Zaina has it all so perfect. Like a child would be jealous of another child. And probably some "imposter syndrome", because he feels beneath her and her friends/family. Maybe shame for finally getting exposed.
I hope he heals and eventually apologize. But there's no guarantee, unfortunately.
I think it’s also about Zayna being very chilled about JR and Sandy and not worried about the chemistry. Cause to me it was obvious he’s completely fixated on Sandy, at least sexually. If that was my partner and I cared - I would freak out. Closer to Nicks reaction 😅
He said men don't post their significant others lol😂
Zaina with the QR code had me flabbergasted lolol
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I wasn’t entertained by what Zaina went through but I was proud as hell of how she handled herself during the most stressful times. I think women deserve better than the men swimming around in this pool these days.
Couldn’t have said it better!! Lovvvve Zaina and it just speaks to the junkyard that is called the dating pool if you like men or want to be with one.
@ lord… watch Later Daters and you’ll realize that age has little to do with it too which is a shame lol. I want to get in the pool but I’m scurrreeddd 🤣
Watching the reunion and reflecting on the show, all these men were so problematic and never took accountability. Nick an alcoholic and abusive, Scotty a gaslighting, emotionally abusive one, JR a selfhating, cheating, misogynistic one, like 70% of them just angered me
Once JR looked in the camera and then started fake crying it was at that moment that I knew he thought he was in a soap opera… I’m still laughing about it 😂😂
100%!! I couldn't stop laughing every time he would cry. because it was so fake😂 pretty sure he quickly put some eye drops in before everything scene.😂
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I think he lied about his ex cheating to be honest. He’s a narcissist. They will lie and tell you someone did something to them when they in fact did it.
I think he told a half lie. I've known so many men like him and I've seen a specific scenario that I think played out in his marriage. I think he was cheating and kept cheating. And then his girl EVENTUALLY cheated back and then he couldn't take that, left the marriage and made himself the victim. I know that's a big assumption to make but I've seen this so many times. That even might be honestly giving him too much credit though because he's forever lying.
@ Nah you might be right. That’s def a play in their playbook.
I was CLAPPING at the reunion when they caught JR in 4k, saying he has a hall pass… ☠️. Zaina is the favorite, for sure! I can’t wait to see her on something else!
J.R. Is full of crap. He is jealous of Zaina’s success and it’s clear. This is why he treated her so poorly. I’m so glad she’s out of that because some men can’t stand a beautiful, intelligent, and strong woman. I had an ex get angry with me anytime I got a promotion, raise or bonus. Dude would be passive aggressive and lash out.
I just wrote a similar response!! AGREED! He definitely was jealous of Zaina - the spite in his face whenever he spoke to or about her. 🤢🤢
I had an ex find an old military picture of me online getting an award and said “oh you big shit huh?” Like whaaaattt? Lol
@ wow 🤦🏽♀️. The level of insecurity some of these men have is crazy. I’m sorry you went through that. Must have been traumatizing to be with someone so …
How do you date someone who wont even let you follow him bc he doesn’t want anyone to know you’re together ?? That is one of the wildest things I’ve ever heard.
I’m so glad y’all also discussed the Scotty situation because the reunion episode dropped the ball
This is why they need new hosts on that show!! Nick and Vanessa Lachay are so so bad at reunions. I’m so annoyed every show they do and find the reunions are a waste of time. They suck!!!
@@JoJo01300 definitely, its getting ridiculous atp
Man seeing her break down and cry got me cuz on the show she barely showed emotion so to see her crying is sad cuz she was so genuine he lost a good one fr
I think Zaina hit the nail on the head, I think JR really did get on the show to break up with her. That’s why everyone didn’t believe they were really together, he was acting as if he’s single already
Zaina is so ❤️🔥
She represented so well 💅🏽
That whole not liking or commenting on his social media bit is wild! I'm sorry that man was lowkey envious of her!
@@goris2318 it was also cause he’s trash. He didn’t want any of his other objects, how he sees women, knowing that he had a girlfriend. Men want all the attention and they cannot handle when a woman is better than them at anything. JR is one of the weakest men I’ve ever seen. So pathetic and embarrassing
my thoughts exactly. that man is jealous of her. absolutely terrifying
Too add on I think it was bc either he didn’t want people (women) knowing he wasn’t single (so he can cheat peacefully) or so men that follow him won’t be trying to view her profile and/or send her dm’s
Yup, I really think he was envious of her brightness
I feel like it's hard to believe that Zaina and JR were are real couple because Zaina is giving affluent, educated and well-rounded while JR was giving fake it till you make it bum energy
Once I heard that convo JR had with Sandy about social media I figured that was the reason people couldn’t find much about their relationship.
@nicholnunn8074 that too. But they just made no sense on an outside perspective. I couldn't comprehend how they had conversations with each other, seeing how different they speak to others on the show.
@@jkjyum I know she said faith had to do with how they first connected, but probably also heavily had to do with looks and attraction too. Just like you, I never saw a spark or anything special with their relationship, but hey, she did say some things did happen before they started taping the show that changed her mood; but from the beginning, he never really seemed that interested in her, or at least as much as she seemed. Both of them are 2 good looking people, which is kind of what surprises me on how much he refused to have her around his social media. I feel like based off their looks alone, posting fitness content together would have boosted their followings, which is what he seemed to have wanted to happen on his end.
This cleared up a whole lot thank you Ladies for this platform I wish Zaina the absolute best as she was the star of this season such Grace 👑.
Zaina is so beautiful, intelligent, graceful and stunning 😍
I really hope to grow to have her poise❤
Zaina. You are a queen. I was in the comments defending your relationship because I never doubted it was real. I think people are struggling with how badly he treated you. I’ve seen men flip a switch like that so not too shocking. Dang… took the words out my mouth Cheyenne.
So proud of Zay! I was taking notes on the way she handled confrontations with Scotty. That is something I've been personally working on because i start cutting up but I don't want to be like that. I'm in my joy era of just calling that energy in and getting more control over my emotions. So IMPRESSED!!! I also agree with Zay that it feels like JR went on the show to end the relationship. He has some severe insecurities and i feel like he gets on mute in a room with you all because you all embody powerful, go getter women that just rattles his soul and brings out those insecurities even more so. I have so many thoughts lol, but Have an amazing holiday trip crew!
Zaina is a jewel! She deserves a true man of God!! ❤ glad she got to share her story with friends!
I felt the way JR would look at her seemed he was jealous of Zaina and insecure. She lights up a room. He even calls her toxic positivity. Who says that?
The fact that she was ever with him is insane
And for soooo long. His voice alone would have done it for me 🙃
I still don't see what is supposed to be so attractive about him neither physically nor mentally
@@izealliaeldridge1441😭😂😂 I never would have thought of this, but now that you brought it up, that’s exactly what it sounded like 🤣
@@sydneyhopes girl same 😭😭🤣🤣I remember telling myself “If I’m wrong about this guy and he ends up being an amazing guy, I will evaluate myself because I might be denying good men in my life”. But nope I wasn’t wrong 😂😂I just heard the voice, saw the braids and said oh hell no!
@@izealliaeldridge1441 I’m dead 😭😭😭heard how he pronounces “manipulative”?
Oh wow I didn’t know we were getting this now. Yay! Keep being you Zaina you’re really strong and I’m happy that you have support near since your family is not in LA.
Is it just me or Cheyenne stay interrupting everybody she don’t let them finish a sentence DAMN!!! Please don’t shout over them, we need to hear their opinion too
yess, it was pmo.
Now y’all got me crying. Zaina is clearly a strong woman and I know for her to be crying on here is not easy. Nothing but love and respect for her.
Crying is not a weakness, it's just an emotion
The way Zaina handled Scotty Should be in school curriculum or mandatory watching for young women.
Zaina , you are a class act girl!!! JR is nowhere near your league. Please never stop being genuine. Just watch for these red flags - eg not wanting to post you on socials. I promise, love feels so much better, JR is a breadcrumbs person and you will find someone amazing girlie cause you’re stunning!!
Thank you Zay for sharing your life with us! You are such an AMAZING woman and you deserve nothing but the best. You are an inspiration for us all!! We love you!
And ladies this is why when dating never date for potential, never give the benefit of the doubt, never compromise.
Thank you Zay for sharing this journey with us! I admire how you handled yourself throughout the process! Keep being you! 🩷
I feel like you would have to be nuts to not want to be with zaina. She is the total package and genuinely one of the most stunning people I have ever seen in my life. She seems like such a sweet soul.
I know Zaina keeps saying JR was different with her prior to being on the show, but the social media situation and him thinking she was trying to compete with him, is such an ugly way for your partner to act towards you. So I’m not surprised that a man who would do all of that would disrespect her on a tv show. He was already disrespecting her and she ignored it.
I think Zaina handled this like a secure and grounded person. Once she saw what we saw, she bounced.
JR is really good at telling you what you want to hear but only in isolated settings where nobody is keeping track of what he's saying. He showed her one side, he showed Sandy another. He always wants to look like a good guy but he has very little actual personality himself.
A fit tall black man whose hobbies are lifting, looking good, and grinding at his "business"? That's not a dream, that a cardboard cutout that doesnt stand for long.
Wow this comment was right on point
I wanna toughen Aria up to but I honestly feel like she was gaslit so much in that relationship and with her dad being similar to Scotty.. poor girl has so much trauma.
I think she also kind of tried to sabotage Caleb's relationship and it was not cool
Yes hers didn’t work so she was going to try to mess somebody else’s up. She pissed me off with that. I think she’s pissed Caleb didn’t move forward with her
I didn't like that either, he checked her stories a year ago and she wants to call him out on it now?
Chill, she's not a perfect victim
The Ultimatum was supposed to happen for Zaina. It was Gods way of showing her JRs true colors.
“Scotty has a barber?!” 😂😂😂😂
I was looking for Cheyenne in an episode, but he is jealous of her.Zaina, you cleared everything at the reunion, and you looked great. Go queen❤
The friends having to create fake accounts because their guts felt off that bad is a BIG red flag
HUGE!
Dang the girl in the pink cuts everyone off.
Right! They need to work on synergy and decorum! I'm only here because Zaina is doing a recap. But I don't think I can finish listening 😕 it's exhausting
Queen Zaina ❤ Her and Aria were so pure. A little delulu, but so lovely and pure.
Caring more about your fuckin “social media engagement” than your relationship ??? Yup, that explains J.R. 😂
JR is such a scumbag. But women YOU had to demand you be treated better. Right off the back there were crazy red flags and Zaina let this man stand on that for 3 years.
Never seen this channel before, such a nice vibe and Zania is a queen!!! If she ever wants to cross a bridge to the sapphic realm, I would treat her as such (just kidding, great chat!)
P.s. I wanna know what else is in the reciepts folder. 😂😂😂
Sadly, Zaina fell in love with a narcissist because that's exactly what JR is. But thankfully, he exposed himself on national tv for the world to see! Now, maybe other women who've watched can learn and make sure to avoid these kinds of men.
Zaina. You are strong and you are worthy of having someone love you properly. Its great to hear that you allowed yourself to heal and deal with your emotions. You have a strong support system. I applaud you for how you went through the process and how you maturely moved forward. Happy Holidays ladies. Enjoy your time off❤
Love the ending Shanan!! My mother has passed away this year and the holidays suck. I haven’t had anyone to check in one me. So hearing you say that was helpful.
The way Zaina dealt with Scotty in that conflict scene was PERFECT.
That’s the only way you deal with a narcissist. Poor Aria, I felt for her in that relationship.
JR definitely didn’t like Zaina. Whether it was cause of jealousy or hateration but it was clear as day. The he spoke to her and about her was trash!! Zaina is so special and deserves a man who’s gonna adore her equally.
I don't think JR likes women full stop. His montage was very disrespectful to women. Objectify them like they were his play things and leading with sex. Awful
This narrative is trash, sorry. Quick to call a him gay? There is nothing to allude to him not liking women. We literally saw and heard him pine over Sandy. There are many bitter straight men who are misogynist and that what he is. Hes insecure and is a clown!
The producers of the ultimatum dropped the ball. They left key scenes out juicy scenes etc.
Y’all remember when Zay’s sister said she likes JR? I was like what do you like sis? What is it? The braids?
While Zaina is lovely and I like her personality. She appeared as a pick me, JR clearly desired to move on from Zaina.
While it is his loss, as she truly appears sincere, she had some delusional moments.
The reason the "God" conversation often confuses me is that people frequently say, "God saved me from [something]." However, we all have free will. The decisions we make lead to consequences or outcomes based on those choices. God isn’t saving anyone from poor decisions, and good or bad things happen to people equally-it’s part of life’s balance.
Cheyene with the facts about scotty and Sandy ! THANJ YOUU
Zaina was a little bit oblivious.. like he didn't want to post you, another woman DMed you about him messaging her and he didn't wanna marry you. Like girl... how did you expect this experience to be beneficial to you in any way?
A lot of us have been blinded by love……….at least she learned a really important lesson so she knows what to look for going forward
The little speech Chey gave at the end to Zay was really sweet.
Sometimes people can wear a mask and we think we know them and we don’t. I dated a guy for 8 year and in end I didn’t even know who he was. Nice genuine people they can’t understand that people are like that but they are they can put on a show and for years. I was with a guy that could literally make himself cry and I see that in JR I think who he showed Zaina he was and sandy for that matter and who he really was are not the same. The sad part is sometimes with people like that no one ever knows who the real them is.
Omg I can’t wait for Zaina’s husband to find her!!!
Did anyone else notice a smirk on J.R.s face after he told Zaina he wasn’t going to marry her.
41:49 perfect example of what Scotty seemed like.😂
Waking up in the middle of the night to him staring at you 👀
Zaina you are queen! And you ate at the reunion! Dam you are gorgeous!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Zai's personality is A1! Love her😍
I don’t think JR came into character once the show aired, his true character just revealed itself. Zaina got his representative the first couple of years of the relationship. Then the mask came off. THIS IS WHO HE IS. If he would have kept a strong woman like Zaina by his side instead of looking at her as competition, his life would probably be excelling and elevating…..But he’s too into himself and self absorbed to allow that. Now her life is flourishing since she has let that dead weight go. ❤Keep thriving beautiful
I'm sure JRs parents are embarrassed! But then again, that's probably what he wanted, he seems like the rebellious type that's ok with embarrassing any and everyone, while he's really only embarrassing himself!
My question is why did her sister love him so much? When scotty was meeting her family and friends her sister said she loved JR.
7:30 ZAYYY NOOOOOOOO. Can’t post? Can’t comment? I have to portray I’m single? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 how’d it take the show to realize this man ain’t worth you, don’t deserve you, should’ve never had a chance with you 😭😭😭😭😭
Either way glad u realized !
JR had a hard time saying simple truths. When a person can't stop lying over every little thing even things that don't make sense. Like him saying that Zaina and him did nothing together over Thanksgiving but Zaina instantly correcting him saying actually they did. It's like what was the point of lying about that? It's sad for him because he's so fake and everything he does. It seems he doesn't even know what's real anymore. He's a pathological liar.
Forget all that..Zaina, drop the chip connect or become it. That was high level GENIUS!❤
I don't even need one, but I feel like I do!😂
On a more serious note, we as women have to stop wiping our asses with the red flags. They're there. Listen when men talk and watch how they handle you. Not wanting to post you is a problem... it doesn't have to be daily, but not even once? Stop letting men play in and around your face... one wrong move, be gone. Wear the clown nose and do better next time sis. ❤
Edit: forgive yourself for not choosing yourself for x amount of years. Forgive your own naivety.
Seeing Zaina on The Ultimatum after watching Chey on TM along with R and Shanan on the podcast for so long and seeing Zaina there occasionally was the craziest crossover 😂❤️
I’ve literally seen pictures of him on Zaina’s page. She carried herself SO well on the show.
Zaina is dope and JR is wack. In reality, he was jealous of her. Highly insecure of a man, he essentially said so….Women please take heed of dudes like him 🚩
OHHHH I CANT WAIT FOR THIS ONE Y’ALL IM TUNED IN !!!!!
JR is an absolute cornball! I don’t know how she was with him for so long. He’s nobody to cry over.
Cheyenne please allow the other ladies to speak and ask questions without you diverting the discussion another way. Thanks!!
Like I know she’s just trying to keep the convo on track but geez. We’d like to hear what Kyle and Shanan have to input as well
Cheyennes face when Zaina speaks about Sandy 😂😂😂 the balance of yalls friendship is everything!!!
Zaina, your spirit is beautiful & your husband will have the personality of Cheyenne…mark my words!
Only reason I'm "happy" Zaina was with JR is coz when she finds a real mature, loving man she's gonna look back at JR and laugh that she entertained someone like him. She gave him a chance because she sees the best in people. She never seemed unreasonable or pushy, actually put up with a lot of stuff with the social media thing. Lot of guys would love someone that chilled. As for JR - if he hasn't grown up by now he never will. He's better suited to someone like Sandy but even younger and just as vapid as he is.
That whole social media situation would make sense if he were younger. But at his age, I would expect him to be in a serious relationship.
Now never speak of that man again. Worth so much more ❤
Someone said it right before that J. R is still that “little ugly boy” in his head. Zaina girl you are a gem I’m so glad you are healing and out of this relationship.
Zay Bbygirl forget about the closure you think you needed... you were with a full blown narcissist who literally thinks he did nothing wrong & for that reason he will never be able to realize what the actual truth is even though like you said "it's in 4k" & right in his face! lol
Just go with god sis bc he had your whole entire back through this process!
TH-cam recommended this to me I clicked so fast chile
Zaina is beautiful and deserves way better! It made me mad watching it. I’ve dated people like that and it bothered my soul but there is someone out there for her that’s way better!!! And that will treat her like she deserves.
The girl in the pink keeps interrupting
I was about to say the same thing!
I feel bad for Zaina but she really needs to let go. It's hard and it hurts but she shouldn't have any contact with him at all and focus on herself. JR actually did her a favor by blocking her on social media. That is something she should have done herself right after the show!
It's great that she has such great friends, who are supporting her! I hope she can heal now and forget about this absolute buffoon! She deserves so much better!
we all know zaina was the most beautiful and mature PERSON there! my heart hurts she didnt get her happy ending but I know with how she is, she going to be just FINE❤
Literally I’m screaming “she’s probably talking to Cheyenne” 🤣. The way he jumped to conclusions…
JR is a clown; this woman is close to perfection.
U can be the total package but that doesn't mean you're the one unfortunately. He smashed Sandy. Sandy's man was a nutcase lol
Zaina, JR did not go to the show to break up with you. He went to the show to become an influencer. The break up was going to happen regardless. He did not like you.
Zaina is queen! She slays and ate at the reunion! ❤❤❤🥰😍🥰
I love Chey. Everybody’s trying to be nice but Chey is like naw F JR 😂😂😂
Sis, JR’s social media viewpoints wasn’t dark energy, it was cheater energy
Geez, why are they talking over each other? Are they aways like this? Just watched cause i wanted to hear the low down of the show
What a kind, sensitive, and gracious lady!!
Zaina you are gorgeous inside and out. Fix your crown and remember who you are. We see you ❤
I’m dyinggg! Scotty’s hairline and barber. Y’all are funny
23:14 totally love you, Z. Get in your bag. Go on all the sister shows like perfect match. Your future is so bright sis.
Lol after you date a narc you spot them from a mile away.. I hope Zaina can fully heal
Zaina was desperate for his love ignoring all the signs and that's a learning lesson. Gotta look at self and not just bash the man. That's victim mentality. Ex. buying gifts for him and not reading J.R at all. He didn't even want her on his social media. This man clearly didn't want to hurt her but wasn't in love with her . He said she loved him more. He looked at Sandy with passion and spoke about her with passion in front of Zaina, didn't even hug her at change over. She's a beautiful woman and deserves true love but gotta stop the victim mentality and take accountability for living in a fantasy and putting on the blinders so that it doesn't happen again