My favorite detail in Carnival Row is the hanging Jesus. Really cool AU concept! Instead of a crucifix they have a hanging corpse. Really makes you think how f***** up it is that most houses have a dying corpse and we all just think that's normal. It could easy have been this if roman had a different public execution method
Just binged it to watch the video. Also when Philo said: “the next chancellor should have horns” I was out of my seat with hype thinking Agreus was about to walk in to be the Burgue’s Obama.
I recommended it to a lot of people, even got my sister to watch it; It's hard selling people on a show that had it's first season end building up to something big only to be almost forgotten for 3 years before just unceremoniously returning with one more season then just ends
Yeah, is a shame that didn't have a deeper world building, we barely known things about the city and Burges, this is not like the Witcher that we have an entire part of the continent that we known, this only a city, not a whole country.
@@TheKeyser94 there is an official RPG guide to the world of Carnival Row online, that goes a bit into detail about the history of the Burgue, the Pact, and the kingdoms of Tirnanoc. It's a great read! But also yes, it's such a waste that we never found all of this stuff out in the show. One thing that always annoyed me was that in season 1, we never ever saw a world map! To me that's an essential part of fantasy stories!
Loved s1, and was delighted to see s2 pop up, ep1-8 of s2 were great and really getting traction, but ep9 and 10 were rushed due to the need to close it out, but did right by fans by finishing it up. Really decent main characters and quite a cast of them 😊
Yeah, Carnival Row was very solid and fresh. Pity it got cancelled, the ending does suffer from that a bit, but still far better than most garbage we get. One correction though, RoP was NOT a success for Amazon, far from that. It's relatively fresh info for the public (less than 2 weeks, I think), but it was an abysmal failure for the scale it was supposed to achieve.
Surely the writing was on the wall for RoP even before being subject to a PR war, just based on the material they were permitted to adapt and the proximity to one of the greatest adaptations of all time within the same IP?
I remember seeing ads for it and thought it looked interesting, but never watched it. idk, maybe if i have a day where i don't have anything else going on I'll try it.
Puck From Middle English pouke, from Old English pūca (“goblin, demon”), from Proto-West Germanic *pūkō, from Proto-Germanic *pūkô (“a goblin, spook”), from Proto-Indo-European *(s)pāug(')- (“brilliance, spectre”). Cognate with Old Norse púki (“devil”) (dialectal Swedish puke), Middle Low German spōk, spūk (“apparition, ghost”), German Spuk (“a haunting”). Doublet of pooka. Noun puck (plural pucks) (now rare) A mischievous or hostile spirit. [from 10th c.] Synonyms See goblin (hostile) and fairy (mischievous) Apparently the origin of the name of the character Puck in Berserk and a cognate of "spook".
Oh wow. I actually never heard of carnival row before. But that's also usually how it is with a lot of amazon shows for me. I don't really hear about them unless it's from word of mouth
I loved that show. I hated that it was cancelled. Amazon Prime needs to advertise it's shows better. It was like Raised By Wolves" all over again, or "Firefly" it hurts when you make an investment of time into a show and then they cancel it. On Carnival Row every ep was a ten imho. I am a big fan of sci-fi-fantasy and special effects. from Harry Harrison to The Expanse and also shows set in ancient times like Spartacus and Rome series. The cost of CGI should be coming down because of better software innovations but inflation in place sets, actors guilds, costumes dept's, and make up is killing TV series shows.
I wanted to really love this show. I still mostly do. I think my main issue with it was the characters relationships to the New Dawn in season 2. The issue isn't itself restricted to Carnival Row, but rather liberal depictions of revolutionary politics across media. Much like the anarchists in Marvel's Falcon and The Winter Soldier, the New Dawn has to be displayed in a way in which we are presented with issues in methodology rather than ideology. The show seems to agree for the most part with the New Dawn's ideals, however it tries to shy away from their violent methods. The viewer can sort of see this meta narrative rift with its handling of police as you stated, where if flips back and forth between good apples and bad apples. It does this too with the New Dawn (though other than Philo's relation to them, is done far better), especially within the sequence of the Black Raven at the docks following Philo and Millworthy's scheming, where the audience is presented with a seemingly unjustifiable act, which with later context completely justifies these actions. I was personally hoping for Philo to side with the New Dawn, especially after the S2 stint in prison, however the handling of police prior and the depictions of the New Dawn through the Agreus and Imogen storyline seemed to veer the audience towards the actions and position that Philo ends up taking. Philo's decision itself is not out of character, rather it feels like he was almost as likely to go either way within this conflict. The result may have been due to the balancing of the monster mystery and political drama aspects of the show, which in both seasons does tilt towards the monster mystery aspects. I don't want to spoil the monster mystery aspect of the show, but i will say that these two genre conceptions felt at odds and seemed to be the reason for Philo's insistence on fixing the political narrative through the monster mystery narrative. Spoilers for the political narrative of S2: I can't help but imagine that the show may have been better had the New Dawn not taken an adversarial role, as the shows ending is slightly disappointing with its return to largely status quo within The Burgue. The ending for the inhabitants of the Row feels largely unearned narratively, as their lives have drastically improved after the end's timeskip, which, to me atleast, cheapens the accurate criticisms that Philo and Millworthy have in relation to the slow and flawed nature of change within liberal democracy. The largely good ending for the fae feels ahistorical (from a historical materialism analysis) without the success of the New Dawn. The underlying systemic issues which caused the subjugation of the fae to the Row were never addressed. Meanwhile, combatting said system was at the core of The New Dawn's ideology. Overall I loved this show, and have no real issues with it bar its reliance on only delivering change "through the proper channels" as it were.
Came to write this after James mentioned lamenting Harris not getting the spotlight more often. James, definitely go watch The Terror (S1) if you haven't already.
you know what I think I will wait to watch this video until after I finish season two. I was exited for the show and even more exited when I learned there was a second season.
I watched season 1 and I thought it was okay. Right up to the moment where the super crazy aristocrat woman who was _obsessed_ with having prophecy choosen one baby, turns out she had an affair and thought it wouldn't be a problem to pass of a child from a different father. She didn't even have a second kid just to make sure she had 'the one'.
I am only four episodes into the first season and I really like this show. I couldn't watch it back then because I was really squeamish about anything rated R.
I tried a few episodes of season 1. I like the premise but I found it kinda hard to watch. Muddy colors which I get for the time period but doesnt help readability
So, I remember the marketing for this show years ago - I didn’t watch it because it seemed like a show that wanted to tackle difficult issues like racism and immigration through the lens of fantasy romance. I could be sold on that premise, but the marketing felt cringey and I just didn’t feel like the show would be able to address those issues well or respectfully. It’s heartening to hear that my impression was largely incorrect.
this is the first i'd heard of the series, it was amazon prime? well i don't have that so i can't watch it without pirating edit: i say i have no memory of it but apparently i've looked up the wikipedia page before cause the link was a "you've been here" purple rather then blue
I liked the world and ideas more than the show itself. I wanted to hear more about the other nation, The Pact(?). I mean they seemed to be more on the genocidal side of the fae rather than the racist side the Burg had.
I saw the trailer once and thought: Well, that would be nice if it was gender flipped - world-wary human woman detective meets cute fairy man. It was also on a streaming service I don't have because I'm too poor for streaming services. :/ Otherwise I would have looked into it.
eeeh, i would realy like to hear you justify how the "Rings of Power" was a "Huge Success". 2/3 of the viewers had left after the first couple of episodes... Audience score is 38% on Rotten Tomato. Oh sure, Amazon Says its a huge success, but refuse to share the final numbers. So its "Trust me bro" scenario there...
Rotten Tomateos score means nothing this days, if you really want to track the success of something, search the Nielsien ratings, like everyone was calling Andor a success when he fall of the ratting by Episode 4 way deep down, and never recover, now at days, is only some mainstream reviewers that still use Rotten Tomatoes, and sometimes they not give the whole information, like only the critic score and not the audience score, the site is not a good source of information about the story, also if you want to like something watch it yourself and judge it yourself, not need to see a wedsite to tell you what to watch.
@@TheKeyser94 and how did it go on the nielsen score? Fell of the over all top 10 2 weeks after it finished. Oh, and wasnt it the nielsen score that also said that 2/3 of the audience didnt complete she series? I think it was. And mind you this is after all the trickery amazon pulled to make the show appear to be popular. And they seem to have done alot of sneaky trickery. I have seen no concrete proof that its a "Huge Success". It seems more to be a massive blunder.
@@KamiRecca By that time I was more concerned to watch the House of Dragon, whatever intentions they had with the Rings of Power, it had to little time, and they didn't have time to develop the character of Haldbrand, if they wanted to make him like Walter White, he turn to what would become Mordor at the end of the TV Show, if they wanted a morally ambiguous character they shouldn't do that, and whatever you think of Tolkien vision, you really not know Tolkien at all, he was a hardcore Imperialist and religious zealot, even if he was an hypocrite in case of C. S. Lewis, hell, he even hated the Normands, using the same talking point of white supremacist now at days, of tainting their "Anglo-Saxon" heritage, it seems to forget that the Celts and the Picks also lived in the British Isles, and let not forget the cherry on top, his belief that the past was better than the future, like his worship of the Roman Empire.
@@TheKeyser94 actually, i Do know some of Tolkien. And among that i know he grew up in a Vastly different time with Vastly different moral standings. Thus it is important to analyse the man throug the propper historical lenses instead of just judging him from our modern standards. And about the Normans, well... you do know they were a norse/french invading force that brought supression and calamity in their time, right? But all that aside, what does Tolkien as a person got to do with Rings of Power?
@@KamiRecca "He was a man of his time" isnt a excuse, he was the British equivalent of H. P. Lovecraft that was a extreme xenophobe even for people of his time, and Tolkien wasn't much different, only more articulate and disguise his disdain for the races that he consider inferior like Indians and black people with with overly words, the only thing that I agree with him is his anti-war stance, his anti-industrialisation stance is not that industrialisation is bad for the environment or that destroy the ecosystem, but he had a rural conservative idea of how Britain should be, like Shire in his books, at least he didn't discriminate on the sexes, Galadriel was a General en the Second Age when Sauron resurfaced again, battling in the North, meanwhile Elrold and the humans fight in the South. One thing that I agree on the Ring of Power is killing Galadriel husband, Tolkien was letting his religious faith mix with his literature, and spend over two millennia with a person is unrealistic, even if it was a fix marriage, at least modern despiction of Elves avoid that and give them more agency over their own decisions, for example The Witcher.
I liked a Lot of the Show, but the MC Lovestory was so badly done... Whenever the lead pair was on the Screen, the Show die go fromm a Solid 8/10 to a 4/10. The Faun + blonde Woman Story was the best part
Note: This was filmed before last week's video, which is why some stuff in the background and end credits is different.
Sus af
5:58 - This is the curse of all Steampunk-based shows: It ALWAYS looks like London.
"It's all London?"
"Always has been."
Well, Britain did kinda start the industrial revolution, so it makes a bit of sense. But then again there's non-Bri'ish stuff like zeppelins.
Need french one.
@@marocat4749 There is a Steampunk movie playing in Paris: "Hugo". I love it!
In love death and robots season 1 there is a steampunk fox-woman story to me it doesn't aesthetically look like generic London-esque city number 344.
My favorite detail in Carnival Row is the hanging Jesus. Really cool AU concept! Instead of a crucifix they have a hanging corpse. Really makes you think how f***** up it is that most houses have a dying corpse and we all just think that's normal. It could easy have been this if roman had a different public execution method
Bow before the holy noose
Just binged it to watch the video. Also when Philo said: “the next chancellor should have horns” I was out of my seat with hype thinking Agreus was about to walk in to be the Burgue’s Obama.
I NEVER SLEPT! I WAS WIDE AWAKE!!!
As Czech watching Wheel of Time is game of "which rock is this?" while watching Carnival Row is game of "which street in Prague is this"?
I presume the fauns are called pucks as a reference to A Midsummer Night’s Dream
Binged the whole series recently and it was amazing.
I recommended it to a lot of people, even got my sister to watch it; It's hard selling people on a show that had it's first season end building up to something big only to be almost forgotten for 3 years before just unceremoniously returning with one more season then just ends
Yeah I really liked this show.
Also, the Sparas is season 2 is one of the coolest creature/monster designs I've seen in a while. They're badass
Yeah, is a shame that didn't have a deeper world building, we barely known things about the city and Burges, this is not like the Witcher that we have an entire part of the continent that we known, this only a city, not a whole country.
@@TheKeyser94 there is an official RPG guide to the world of Carnival Row online, that goes a bit into detail about the history of the Burgue, the Pact, and the kingdoms of Tirnanoc. It's a great read!
But also yes, it's such a waste that we never found all of this stuff out in the show. One thing that always annoyed me was that in season 1, we never ever saw a world map! To me that's an essential part of fantasy stories!
Loved s1, and was delighted to see s2 pop up, ep1-8 of s2 were great and really getting traction, but ep9 and 10 were rushed due to the need to close it out, but did right by fans by finishing it up.
Really decent main characters and quite a cast of them 😊
I'm currently watching it. it's great.
Yeah, Carnival Row was very solid and fresh. Pity it got cancelled, the ending does suffer from that a bit, but still far better than most garbage we get.
One correction though, RoP was NOT a success for Amazon, far from that. It's relatively fresh info for the public (less than 2 weeks, I think), but it was an abysmal failure for the scale it was supposed to achieve.
Surely the writing was on the wall for RoP even before being subject to a PR war, just based on the material they were permitted to adapt and the proximity to one of the greatest adaptations of all time within the same IP?
I remember seeing ads for it and thought it looked interesting, but never watched it. idk, maybe if i have a day where i don't have anything else going on I'll try it.
Never even heard of that show. But I was just looking for something new to watch, so going to check it out!
Puck
From Middle English pouke, from Old English pūca (“goblin, demon”), from Proto-West Germanic *pūkō, from Proto-Germanic *pūkô (“a goblin, spook”), from Proto-Indo-European *(s)pāug(')- (“brilliance, spectre”).
Cognate with Old Norse púki (“devil”) (dialectal Swedish puke), Middle Low German spōk, spūk (“apparition, ghost”), German Spuk (“a haunting”). Doublet of pooka.
Noun
puck (plural pucks)
(now rare) A mischievous or hostile spirit. [from 10th c.]
Synonyms
See goblin (hostile) and fairy (mischievous)
Apparently the origin of the name of the character Puck in Berserk and a cognate of "spook".
Oh wow. I actually never heard of carnival row before. But that's also usually how it is with a lot of amazon shows for me. I don't really hear about them unless it's from word of mouth
SAME
I loveed the show, I listened to related the audiobooks, it's such a cool world.
it's been on my list for a while now so im taking this as a sign to go watch it!
The Terror! Jared Harris have all his time to shine as protagonust in The Terror.
I was wondering when anyone who's opinion I valued would actually get around to making something about it
I loved that show. I hated that it was cancelled. Amazon Prime needs to advertise it's shows better. It was like
Raised By Wolves" all over again, or "Firefly" it hurts when you make an investment of time into a show and then they cancel it. On Carnival Row every ep was a ten imho. I am a big fan of sci-fi-fantasy and special effects. from Harry Harrison to The Expanse and also shows set in ancient times like Spartacus and Rome series. The cost of CGI should be coming down because of better software innovations but inflation in place sets, actors guilds, costumes dept's, and make up is killing TV series shows.
I wanted to really love this show. I still mostly do. I think my main issue with it was the characters relationships to the New Dawn in season 2. The issue isn't itself restricted to Carnival Row, but rather liberal depictions of revolutionary politics across media. Much like the anarchists in Marvel's Falcon and The Winter Soldier, the New Dawn has to be displayed in a way in which we are presented with issues in methodology rather than ideology. The show seems to agree for the most part with the New Dawn's ideals, however it tries to shy away from their violent methods. The viewer can sort of see this meta narrative rift with its handling of police as you stated, where if flips back and forth between good apples and bad apples. It does this too with the New Dawn (though other than Philo's relation to them, is done far better), especially within the sequence of the Black Raven at the docks following Philo and Millworthy's scheming, where the audience is presented with a seemingly unjustifiable act, which with later context completely justifies these actions. I was personally hoping for Philo to side with the New Dawn, especially after the S2 stint in prison, however the handling of police prior and the depictions of the New Dawn through the Agreus and Imogen storyline seemed to veer the audience towards the actions and position that Philo ends up taking. Philo's decision itself is not out of character, rather it feels like he was almost as likely to go either way within this conflict. The result may have been due to the balancing of the monster mystery and political drama aspects of the show, which in both seasons does tilt towards the monster mystery aspects. I don't want to spoil the monster mystery aspect of the show, but i will say that these two genre conceptions felt at odds and seemed to be the reason for Philo's insistence on fixing the political narrative through the monster mystery narrative.
Spoilers for the political narrative of S2: I can't help but imagine that the show may have been better had the New Dawn not taken an adversarial role, as the shows ending is slightly disappointing with its return to largely status quo within The Burgue. The ending for the inhabitants of the Row feels largely unearned narratively, as their lives have drastically improved after the end's timeskip, which, to me atleast, cheapens the accurate criticisms that Philo and Millworthy have in relation to the slow and flawed nature of change within liberal democracy. The largely good ending for the fae feels ahistorical (from a historical materialism analysis) without the success of the New Dawn. The underlying systemic issues which caused the subjugation of the fae to the Row were never addressed. Meanwhile, combatting said system was at the core of The New Dawn's ideology. Overall I loved this show, and have no real issues with it bar its reliance on only delivering change "through the proper channels" as it were.
Thank you for giving voice to this pov, I am of a similar mind.
i watched s1 when it came out but didn't come back to s2, maybe i will now
Another prematurely cancelled fantasy show was "Carnivale".
Hmmmm.... suspicious.
hey james have you heard of empress theresa and could you review it
FINALLY SOMEONE'S TALKING ABOUT IT
I never knew I needed this but here we are
Another excellent Jared Harris centric show was The Terror.
Came to write this after James mentioned lamenting Harris not getting the spotlight more often. James, definitely go watch The Terror (S1) if you haven't already.
Hey I watched it. I wish there was a season 2
No it's on my list I've just been busy rewatching supergirl
you know what I think I will wait to watch this video until after I finish season two. I was exited for the show and even more exited when I learned there was a second season.
No gods no masters fam.
I watched season 1 and I thought it was okay. Right up to the moment where the super crazy aristocrat woman who was _obsessed_ with having prophecy choosen one baby, turns out she had an affair and thought it wouldn't be a problem to pass of a child from a different father. She didn't even have a second kid just to make sure she had 'the one'.
I LOVED season 1! Didn't even realize season 2 had been released and subsequently canceled 😢
I am only four episodes into the first season and I really like this show. I couldn't watch it back then because I was really squeamish about anything rated R.
I tried a few episodes of season 1. I like the premise but I found it kinda hard to watch. Muddy colors which I get for the time period but doesnt help readability
Thank you for warning me season 2 came out, didn't hear about it
BASED, someone talking about this show.
So, I remember the marketing for this show years ago - I didn’t watch it because it seemed like a show that wanted to tackle difficult issues like racism and immigration through the lens of fantasy romance. I could be sold on that premise, but the marketing felt cringey and I just didn’t feel like the show would be able to address those issues well or respectfully. It’s heartening to hear that my impression was largely incorrect.
you should say it at the beginning more because often I forget to comment & like
I watched it when it premiered and i was so sad it only got 2 seasons
Probably never heard of it because Amazon doesn't market their shit, also rings of power didn't succeed either.
this is the first i'd heard of the series, it was amazon prime? well i don't have that so i can't watch it without pirating
edit: i say i have no memory of it but apparently i've looked up the wikipedia page before cause the link was a "you've been here" purple rather then blue
I remember really enjoying Season 1 but I never watched season 2, though I've been meaning to.
what do you mean 'you people'!? ahaaa i thought i was the only one who watched this show fr.
Hell yeah, someone gets it
Yeah, I slept on it
It was a very good show. I am not happy it won't continue.
The first season was great. Good plot, and pacing. Interesting worldbuilding and characters. But the second season? It definitely put me to sleep.
I love you and your videos but tbh i miss the japan poster D:
Never heard of it,till last night. Tir nanog is the Welsh celtic land òf magic and 'other'. Don't know how else to put it. Tir hud a lledrith.
I liked the world and ideas more than the show itself. I wanted to hear more about the other nation, The Pact(?). I mean they seemed to be more on the genocidal side of the fae rather than the racist side the Burg had.
I saw the trailer once and thought: Well, that would be nice if it was gender flipped - world-wary human woman detective meets cute fairy man.
It was also on a streaming service I don't have because I'm too poor for streaming services. :/
Otherwise I would have looked into it.
James is the only correct opinion haver on booktube
Mate, what are you smoking, Rings of Power was a massive failure for Amazon.
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eeeh, i would realy like to hear you justify how the "Rings of Power" was a "Huge Success". 2/3 of the viewers had left after the first couple of episodes... Audience score is 38% on Rotten Tomato.
Oh sure, Amazon Says its a huge success, but refuse to share the final numbers. So its "Trust me bro" scenario there...
Rotten Tomateos score means nothing this days, if you really want to track the success of something, search the Nielsien ratings, like everyone was calling Andor a success when he fall of the ratting by Episode 4 way deep down, and never recover, now at days, is only some mainstream reviewers that still use Rotten Tomatoes, and sometimes they not give the whole information, like only the critic score and not the audience score, the site is not a good source of information about the story, also if you want to like something watch it yourself and judge it yourself, not need to see a wedsite to tell you what to watch.
@@TheKeyser94 and how did it go on the nielsen score? Fell of the over all top 10 2 weeks after it finished. Oh, and wasnt it the nielsen score that also said that 2/3 of the audience didnt complete she series? I think it was.
And mind you this is after all the trickery amazon pulled to make the show appear to be popular.
And they seem to have done alot of sneaky trickery.
I have seen no concrete proof that its a "Huge Success".
It seems more to be a massive blunder.
@@KamiRecca By that time I was more concerned to watch the House of Dragon, whatever intentions they had with the Rings of Power, it had to little time, and they didn't have time to develop the character of Haldbrand, if they wanted to make him like Walter White, he turn to what would become Mordor at the end of the TV Show, if they wanted a morally ambiguous character they shouldn't do that, and whatever you think of Tolkien vision, you really not know Tolkien at all, he was a hardcore Imperialist and religious zealot, even if he was an hypocrite in case of C. S. Lewis, hell, he even hated the Normands, using the same talking point of white supremacist now at days, of tainting their "Anglo-Saxon" heritage, it seems to forget that the Celts and the Picks also lived in the British Isles, and let not forget the cherry on top, his belief that the past was better than the future, like his worship of the Roman Empire.
@@TheKeyser94 actually, i Do know some of Tolkien. And among that i know he grew up in a Vastly different time with Vastly different moral standings. Thus it is important to analyse the man throug the propper historical lenses instead of just judging him from our modern standards.
And about the Normans, well... you do know they were a norse/french invading force that brought supression and calamity in their time, right?
But all that aside, what does Tolkien as a person got to do with Rings of Power?
@@KamiRecca "He was a man of his time" isnt a excuse, he was the British equivalent of H. P. Lovecraft that was a extreme xenophobe even for people of his time, and Tolkien wasn't much different, only more articulate and disguise his disdain for the races that he consider inferior like Indians and black people with with overly words, the only thing that I agree with him is his anti-war stance, his anti-industrialisation stance is not that industrialisation is bad for the environment or that destroy the ecosystem, but he had a rural conservative idea of how Britain should be, like Shire in his books, at least he didn't discriminate on the sexes, Galadriel was a General en the Second Age when Sauron resurfaced again, battling in the North, meanwhile Elrold and the humans fight in the South. One thing that I agree on the Ring of Power is killing Galadriel husband, Tolkien was letting his religious faith mix with his literature, and spend over two millennia with a person is unrealistic, even if it was a fix marriage, at least modern despiction of Elves avoid that and give them more agency over their own decisions, for example The Witcher.
The introductuion song is not very good!
Original, that is decent?! Anddealgod with social issues?
It's not too good, but nor is it too long.
I liked a Lot of the Show, but the MC Lovestory was so badly done... Whenever the lead pair was on the Screen, the Show die go fromm a Solid 8/10 to a 4/10. The Faun + blonde Woman Story was the best part
Can confirm that civilization has indeed ended
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Mauler is a cool guy and a genius
Season 1 was alright Season 2 was dogshit rip carnival row
Who're you and why does James have an evil twin brother?
The show was absolute dogshit in season 2.