The story of Perkins engine following a rebuild [E35]
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Great to see you back!
Sad to see you both so shattered but I know by the time you have finished with that engine Perkins themselves will be proud!
We had a Perkins diesel on a 41ft sloop rigged yacht, my god, thats 47 years ago!! It ran for ever, the only issue we had with it was the starter motor.
Back in those days we used these antique things called a compass and real paper charts HAHA
Anyway, not thinking, when the starter motor broke down we removed it, brought it up to the cockpit, repaired it and all was good, so we thought.
But by doing that, the magnets of the starter motor interfered with the setting magnets of our main compass which made the compass up to 126° out.
At the time we were sailing South down the East coast of Australia and started seeing land on our port side. If we were on course that's totally impossible! But you can't argue with land, so we had absolutely no idea where we were or where we were heading.
Luckily we had a small hand held bearing compass that was kept inside and was not affected by the starter motor magnets.
Today there is of course many electronic navigation aids, but it's a lesson learned and worth sharing, cos if you have a total power failure, you'll be back to the old methods of navigation and a true compass together with real charts are a necessity not a luxury.
Moral or the story.... Be wise to the effects of magnets!
As confucius once said " May your solution fix your problem and not be the creation of larger problems" hahaha (yes I made that up for effect).
Was great to see your happy face at the end of the video and the positivity and determination you both have, come shining through again.
I'm sure the motor will become a masterpiece and a proud talking point for years to come on many remote beach bbq's with great people you're yet to meet 🍻🍻🍷🥂
Great to see you both back, you've been truly missed 😊
Thats quite a story ! Thank you for sharing that 😊 when we sailed Squalo from Gib to UK we bought all the paper charts and fixed our position at regular intervals just in case our electronic navigation aids failed us. We do like to keep both options :)
@@sailingsqualo You're very welcome 😊
You both are so impressive and inspiring, I just can't wait to see where all your efforts, determination and thoroughness are going to take you.
The future looks great!!
you bounce back nicely
😊 cheers!
Glad you’re back guys, looking forward to the videos.
Thank you 🥰
As a general rule, for me, I always try to stay local. It costs more in the short term, but you have more recourse if things go wrong. I find if you pay less in the beginning, you pay more in the end. That being said, the reverse is not always true! You are really learning everything the hard way. I feel for Ziggy, he must feel so let down. Don't feel bad about Poland, Ziggy. This happens all over. Everywhere has its good and bad.
Thank you Nick for those comforting words.
You are right though, should have paid more and kept it close where we would have had more control over the progress of the rebuild. Lesson learned.
Needs to be cleaned with citric acid and then sprays with aircraft paint remover, then covered in an etching primer and painted with Perkins paint
It would make it a bit better fr sure. Trouble is, the inside is what worries us. Has the mechanic done a good enough job or are we going to face similar problems down the line. The quality of it is just disappointing.
Welcome back. You were missed.😊
Awww how nice 🥰
Keep your chin up as lessons have been learned .
Definitely, learned the hard way..
Overall, and apart from the engine issue, it appears that you have both had first rate advice and support. And even though there may be further mishaps along the way, this is a marvelous project that is worth completing. On top of which, becoming intimately familiar with the anatomy of a yacht will prove invaluable for future sailing and repairs. Finally, your undiminished determination is infectious making this series compulsive viewing!
Couldn't agree more, we strongly believe she is worth our time and effort and knowing one's boat in and out is definitely invaluable especially when things go wrong. And on a boat they are bound to go wrong 😅
Great to hear you are liking our videos, apologies we are not releasing them as often and regular as we would have liked. Hopefully with time this will change. 🤞
Gutted for you both. Using those kind of hose clips on a marine engine says it all.
I’ve just finished a brand new engine install on my boat without any prior experience and it’s such an achievement now to have done it and I know every inch of the engine and some crevices on the boat that I might never have got near otherwise. It was an complete headache at times and downright depressing, wrought with problems to solve, but I got there!
I have only ever known Polish people to be incredibly hard workers and this half-hearted attempt at an engine restoration doesn’t reflect on your country on people in the slightest. You are both testament to that with the work that you have put in and say far more for your country than that cowboy mechanic. Keep going. 🙌🏻
Thank you so much for such a lovely comment. You made our day! 🥰
Congrats on your achievement with the engine, I bet it wasn't easy. Same here, no experience in anything engine related, so things like that definitely bring on a massive headache 😅 but well done you! 👏
Nice to see you back! Love your honesty, determination and progress. Keep up the good work!
Thank you 🙏
So impatient to see the next episode. I think you are on a path to being TH-cam contenders! To encourage Ziggy, we have many Polish immigrants in Ireland, and - my opinion - they are adding to my country's future!
You are too kind 😊.
Thank you for words of encouragement 🙏
I hope the mechanical work has been done to a decent standard; I can understand that a reputable mechanic does not want to paint it as he is probably not a painter, and restoration work is not in his repertoire. That said, you Know what you want; I am sure you are more than capable of making it look very pretty.
I suggest you run it to see the engine's condition before you paint it.
Also, nice to see you guys back.😁
Yes, agree with this. Hard to trust that the mechanic did a good job on the inside when you see the state on the outside, like the wrong metal for the clips etc
Yes, we will definitely want to see how it runs first, hope it runs well and only then we will roll up our sleeves to get the exterior right 🤞😊
As a marine mechanic that has rebuilt a Perkins for a 42’ sailboat I took more time cleaning and preparing the engine and gearbox for paint than I did rebuilding it and I can assure you the rebuild was a hack job because of reused head bolts and exhaust bolts and the fact that they are 💯 correct that every single clamp should have been stainless steel and that crank shaft pulley wasn’t new it was a used part makes me sick to my stomach that someone would take such little pride in there work just seeing what I saw in the video I wouldn’t be surprised if they have to work on that engine very soon in the future
Really felt the disappointment of the engine refurb, especially because of all the amazing work you have done on the rest of the boat. Looking forward to seeing where you end up with it.
We won't give up on it, that's for sure 🙃
Stay with us, we will be back carrying on with the projects. The 9-5 is still in the way at the moment 😅
Sorry to see that pride of work to the end of a project is in many places in the world has gone by the wayside. Detailing an engine can take a lot of time, effort and cost but it is no excuse for not at least proper cleaning descaling and derusting with a heat resistant painted surface as the minimum.
It could look a lot better with a quick paint job. Use wire brush and scraper, maybe first degreaser, some ospho to change rust to different compound. Maybe can find original color for Perkins paint, in spray cans, don't need to take anything off, even factory often paints hoses. Maybe mask a few things if you want bronze showing.
👍Will definitely paint it soon and I am sure it will look better, we want to however mask tape hoses, bronze bits etc before we spray so that the engine doesn't look like it was sumberged in paint as a whole.. if you check out that video I mentioned the guy did exactly what we wanted to achieve. Now we can only try and get it as close to that finish as possible.
But... we better start the engine first and see how it runs before we sweat scrubbing the old paint.
Quick tip on the video. I am aPro vidéo editor and your skills are definitely improving. I loved your quick open to get us hooked. It worked. But it went a little too fast. I had to watch twice. So give each shits a few more frames, maybe add a little dramatic music/hits and clearly separate the intro from the rest of the spot. But great instinct
Hey! Thanks for the feedback. I am 100% self learner, long way from being first of all comfortable with operating camera gear hehe let alone putting it all together so it makes sense to our viewers 😅 learning the ropes all the time. Glad you can see improvement 👍😊
Welcome back. If you follow the same process you have with the approach to refitting your boat thus far, reconditioning the motor will also go well for you.
Thank you 😊 Glad to hear you have faith in us.
Hej załogo🥰W pierwszej kolejności cieszę się ogromnie, że znowu będę w miarę na bieżąco z tym co robicie! Po drugie, tak, macie rację, człowiek uczy się całe życie i jak mówi przysłowie "umiesz liczyć, licz na siebie". Pozdrawiam. Buziaki🥰
My też się cieszymy ze jestesmy z powrotem 🙌
Z silnikiem musimy poradzić sobie sami, szkoda że tak wyszło, ale damy radę.
Pozdrawiamy 🥰
You have every right to be disappointed in not getting the level of quality you thought you were paying for. I'd be a lot more concerned about level of detail the put into rebuilding the engine. If you have access to a borescope you can remove a glow plug or a fuel injector and look inside the cylinder to see the condition of the cylinder walls and pistons. Consider painting the engine white with some high quality high temperature engine enamel . It makes it easier to spot oil leaks in low light engine rooms.
Great advice, thank you 🙏
We have been sent a video of the engine being run after the rebuild, will try and find it and share on YT. But it's wise to have it checked out and start it ourselves even in the garage.
The engine on my yard, is Mercedes, 0M636 been running for 40 years. Still going strong great video by the way what happened to you guys?😂
What can I say, boating is bloody expensive 😭 so gotta work extra hard at the moment. We will be back soon promise! 😁
Great to see you both back and posting a video.
Really sorry to see the mechanic you employed to rebuild your engine hasn't lived up to expectations.
It's not nice when you feel you've been ripped off and not received what was promised.
I'm in a similar predicament myself with a car that turned out to be a death trap and the dealer is refusing to even respond to my letters.
But it's getting sorted and yes it's going to cost me more and it's taking extra time but I'll get there in the end.
Just like you both will.
So far using the wire brushes there is a massive difference in the look of the engine
And like you said the bronze parts once polished will look fantastic.
Replace those hose clips with some stainless steel ones and it might be a good idea to get a local mechanic to check out the internal work to see it was done correctly.
Hopefully it's just the outside that's been bodged.
Check out local gearbox engineers and have that checked out it may be fine and just need a good clean out and service.
Best to put it behind you and chalk it up to experience and try not to dwell on it.
I was very down after I got my car but put it down to experience and I'll go through the courts to try and get some cash out of the dealer
I'm guessing you won't have that option.
But honestly it will look brilliant once you both finished rubbing it down and repainting it to the colour of your choice.
Great to have you both back 👍
Thank you for your lovely comment. I am sorry you had to go through a similar experience with your car. Hope you manage to get your money back 🤞 Stay positive 😊
Welcome back that is a bit of a disappointment it doesn't take more time to claen and paint an engine as you rebuild so i can understand your anxiety i wish well in getting it how you want looks you have made a good start with it 😊😊😊
Thank you 😊
We had the same thing happen to our engine here in california, reinstalled without the paint job, plus I didn’t have time to paint the engine housing area. How the hell am I going to be able to paint under the engine? Well, I did the best I could and it all peeled off, there is only a few inches under and the engine bearers on on either side, so how the heck can I get to it? It is not possible, it’s steel so we will have to keep an eye on it for 6 years…yeah, so you’re lucky compared to me, runs great though, no leaks! I did find the paint for the engine so I will be doing that this summer. So nice to hear from you!
Oh man, how disappointing. So sorry to hear that you were going through the same hell. 😞
What paint are you going to use? Are you gonna prime it as well? Hope this time it doesn't peel off 🤞
@@sailingsqualo well, the engine area was primed before they installed the engine so it’s somewhat protected. The paint recommended needs to be on bare metal and OMG is it great, beautiful white and as hard as a rock, easy to clean and easy to see anything leaking. It is an OMC 4 cylinder, I’m going to have to see what I should use, some research for sure.
My comment part 2: If you want to see a new painted all over engine, go to Sailing good bad Ugly, go to their old videos from one year ago, "$5k Craigslist Boat gets a NEW ENGINE!" advance to minute minute 8. If you don't have a lot of painting experience, to avoid runs do light coats on hard to reach areas first, and let dry a little before trying to get full coverage.
Thanks heaps! 👍🙏Very helpful
It’s a given normally to have an engine block blasted and repainted, it’s an advertising feature, as it’s the only part that can be seen, I’m worried about the rebuild quality - what did the rebuilder say ~
That's right, the advertising was done by showing us the finished engine from that rebuild I linked in the video. The promise was " its gonna look just like that".
The mechanic said he rectified what caused the oil leak, the injectors were reconditioned, all seals replaced, new cylinders, pistons replaced.. so all in all the engine was rebuild inside, I had a video of when it was running after rebuild, no smoke like we had before and no leaks. Will look for that video and link it in the description at some point.
Thank you for your reply: I’m following and look forward to every point of your journey with the renovation - just as an aside, I nearly bought a Oyster 39 back in the ‘70’s’ (it just didn’t happen, which I regret to this day), did you know the price was just under 55K-GBP, and the Kit version was 25K-GBP -
Aww, that's a shame you didn't get it.
I am guessing that wasn't much back in 70s? And what is the kit version?
We found old papers from previous sale of our Oyster, and it was up for sale for over 70k!
@@sailingsqualo if memory serves there was a Yachting World boat test in 1975 (could be wrong), my quote was for a purchase was 1979, re: the Kit, I think you got the hull and deck bonded together, with I guess keel in situ, leaving you to fit out, I didn’t go into the details, although I did finish up building a more modest 24ft sloop after receiving the finished hull and this was all wood.
Wow that's a shame, Imagine the corners They cut with the rebuild if the mistakes on the outside are like that
Shame
Hope it works out for you
Yes, that’s exactly what we are mostly concerned about. The exterior we could “touch up” to make it visibly better but the inside.. that’s a different story.
It depends what you paid for? If it was cheap then you got what you paid for, rebuilding and engine like that from top to bottom will cost a lot of money, sometimes more than buying a new one, because you can bolt new things together, but stripping, cleaning, repairing, preparing and painting is hundreds of hours of labor.
We actually made it very clear what we expected from the rebuild. Plus, that video from the finished engine rebuild was shown to us as an example of what we can expect at the end of the rebuild. And in terms of the cost, we paid quite a substantial amount for what we got, hence the disappointment.
As a marine mechanic that has rebuilt a few engines for saltwater use this makes me disgusted that someone would go through the work of disassembly rebuild and reassembly and not clean the engine and paint it properly I took more time cleaning and paint prep than I did on the actual rebuild because the mechanical parts are easy and seeing deadbolts and exhaust bolts reused makes me sick to my stomach
I am glad someone can appreciate the reasons why this has been very disappointing and upsetting for us. The mechanic didn’t seem to see the problem though. We were extremely unlucky or perhaps it is just difficult to find a mechanic who has equally high standards as yourself.
How it runs is the main part , what it looks like can mislead you , my only criticism is that it cannot be seen running now it's finished by the engineers , that's the important part ,
Should have seen it running before delivery to you ,,
We were sent a video when it was started after rebuild, and it seemed fine, no smoke and leaks. Will look for that video and upload it at some point here on YT. But the fact they had it taken apart, had it in pieces ready for sandblasting that rust and old paint and neglected that part and didn't do it... that I will never understand.
Anyway we are gonna fire it up soon, see how it runs for ourselves.
@@sailingsqualo 2 points and not negative , I have come across many yachts with repainted outside but we're bad .
And you spent a lot of money , that or any engine you put your life on, should have gone to see it run.
If it's not being put back in you didn't need it ?
Sorry to hear that you got ripped off. To viewers of this video I will say this: Don't try to rebuild your Perkins 4-108. You still wind up with one of the poorest marine engines ever built. Which if not immediately, will cause you grief. Instead look into a used Yanmar. Preferably one before the current EPA restrictions which basically prevent you from bleeding or changing a single injector.
Well, I gotta say a lot of people praise this Perkins so much . They always say its a very reliable engine, parts easy to find everywhere in the world etc.
We have 4-236 model. Perhaps better than 4-108?
Best,
Nat
So sorry!!!
If the so called mechanic thought this was a job well done, don’t you think you should have someone if not opening it, at least start it?
Oh yes! Agreed! We will definitely start it :)
Please excuse me I don’t mean to be critical but this is going to be your home the engine is probably the most important thing on a boat well there our a whole lot of things that our important don’t Don’t trust anybody that says trust me specially in Poland you get what you pay for lesson learned try not to get disheartened
Oh no, not at all, please feel free to share your opinion.
I agree it is one of the most crucial items on the boat and i have to say all in all the rebuild wasn't cheap, it was a little cheaper than we would have paid locally, what we were looking for was a mechanic that we could trust would do an excellent job. A friend of ours took this project under his wings and had great mechanic, both of them were promising excellent results and thats how we came to a decision to have it dine there. There are excellent mechanics and terrible mechanics everywhere, including Poland, we were just super unlucky.
We will do everything in our power to put this right though.