Remember comedy is comedy, so don't sweat it too much, and definitely don't attack Katherine. Also, remember Lin-Manuel Miranda himself has seen this very clip and Tweeted "Oh it is THE BEST."
Netflix UK & Ireland i feel like this is directed towards my comment since most of the other comments are just jokes lol i wasn’t attacking Katherine, I was just mentioning the actual facts
Def not aimed at you or anyone in particular. Comment sections are meant to be for debate and chat so love to see it. We were just seeing some quite nasty comments (again not from you) after the Disney+ streaming so wanted to make sure people remember to stay kind.
Feel attacked. I'm not doing anything wrong but still. Her jokes we're great, in a few places, but it felt like nitpicking to me especially since I like to be a factually correct person. Not attacking, just my opinion.
No. That's just not what it is. He was doing important shit, not being important. He thought the important shit was more important than his family, sure, but he didn't once call himself important.
@@ikaiti9841 It sounds like she has listened to the cast recording, so there's a chance she got to that part, and just breezed over the rainbow baby thing for her routine. But yeah, she might have been more hesitant if she had heard Eliza's scream.
Eliza: take a break you haven't slept for three days Hamilton: no Angelica: come to the country with us Hamilton: no Maria: hey waddup cheat on your wife maybe Hamilton: sure why not
Well, I mean, let’s be honest here... saying no or not, you know that Alexander did his business and 2 minutes later he was right back to writing. I think he took more time writing the Reynolds Pamphlet than the actual affair took. #alltalknoaction
@@mycatalrhythm would've thrown her out to. If she's acting like *This* in a show where families are trying to watch this in peace. Yeah would've thrown her out to.
Dumbest shit ever. If America is so classist and racist how did a black man become President? It's funny coming from a Canadian who's cuntry protects pedophiles and demonizes peoples free speech...yeah Canada sounds awesome
@@LP-ii3vy You are clueless. Did you know it was...oh, I'm guessing not, but did you know up until 1967 it was illegal for black and while people to marry in some states?
I just noticed that maria literally sang "my husband's doing me wrong, *cheating* me, mistreating me..." and then hamilton goes and does exactly the same to HIS wife by cheating on her
Ah, yes, Say No To This Or as I like to call it...... "Hamilton ignores the entire ensemble screaming behind him LITERALLY TELLING HIM THE RIGHT THING TO DO....and he ignores them all"
I love the ensemble bc it's voicing what everyone in the audience is thinking at the moment. It's almost also like every cast member themselves are saying it from the hart like "Say no you idiot!!! And there he goes again."
Simple answer: Hamilton has serious unaddressed mommy issues. He describes his wife, his mistress, and his mother as "helpless". Dude's got a complex about it.
bees knees Maybe they’re talking about the line “But I’ll never forget my mother’s face, that was real. And as long as I’m alive, Eliza, I swear to god you’ll never feel so helpless”
ka ze the fact that burr says “I’ll let him tell it” indicates that it’s entirely from his biased perspective and the whole story is so unbelievable I think Lin expected everyone to get that
I mean sure, but dialogue isn't really a matter of perspective. For Maria's lines to be affected by this we'd have to either assume Hamilton (as narrator in this song) is lying directly to the audience (as nobody else is listening) - or is delusional enough to imagine dialogue that never happened. Hamilton's inner monologue is subjective for sure, but extending that to the assumption that he's lying to the audience seems a bit odd to me unless there's something to indicate this happened in the musical. (nothing I'm aware of, but I might've missed details, there are a lot of those after all.)
iaknihsX2 the suggestion is not that he’s lying per se but it is definitely the suggestion that it’s his story told from his perspective and that he could obviously be lying bc it’s just his word. and not only just his word but what he wrote down for the world to read about so even more likely to be sanitised the suggestion, like so many parts of hamilton, is that we don’t know what really happened
Breigh Steenberg 1.) her voice is literally saying that to him. She leads him to her bedroom and after Hamilton says he’s leaving she asks him to stay. 2.) she spreads her legs and says please stay.
3rdSt did you watch the video? katherine wasn’t making it seem like he r*ped her, she was saying that maria wasn’t throwing herself at him so there was nothing for him to say no to. and even then he could’ve just said no.
carrington.m uhhhhhhhhhhhhh have you watched Hamilton???? Look up the song at least before making yourself look stupid. She literally takes him to her bed and spreads her legs and asks him to stay. That’s when he asked how to say no. Soooooooooooooooooooo she WAS throwing her self at him. It’s like she didn’t even see the show tf
Really the true genius in this piece is that she gets the audience to agree that you *obviously* should not have sex with a vulnerable person under any circumstance, then sets up a story where the woman is obviously extremely vulnerable in many ways and watch how many people go "bUt hE sAiD sHe wAnTed iT"
So i agree that sleeping with her was a moral failure, not only because he was untrue to his wife but because he took advantage of a vunerable woman. My only issue is that a lot of the jokes hang on the false premise that "you can't say no to a question that wasn't asked", which isn't true if she lead him to her bedroom and spread her legs when he was about to go. What Hamilton did is still wrong, but that's the point of the song. The point of this stand up seems to be making jokes that only work if you omit just the right lyrics of the show xD and I mean she does seem to remember em pretty well! So I agree with the message, but the delivery to me is not very effective. That's all I'd argue for, personally. And when you misrepresent material like that it can sometimes weaken that message. EDIT: I do not want to claim that just because history says she came on to him, that that is what actually happened IRL. Socialy women were a lot more likely to be shamed for adultery and the situation could absolutely have been different. This commentary is just based on how the show represents what went down.
@@Chris_W And the point of the lyric is that Hamilton is telling his version of the story. There is no reality behind the lyric, and no biography that quotes Hamilton as saying anything of the kind.
It is, in fact, almost verbatim from the Reynolds Pamphlet, in contradiction to your claim Hamilton never said anything of the kind: "Some time in the summer of the year 1791 a woman called at my house in the city of Philadelphia and asked to speak with me in private. I attended her into a room apart from the family. With a seeming air of affliction she informed that she was a daughter of a Mr. Lewis, sister to a Mr. G. Livingston of the State of New-York, and wife to a Mr. Reynolds whose father was in the Commissary Department during the war with Great Britain, that her husband, who for a long time had treated her very cruelly, had lately left her, to live with another woman, and in so destitute a condition, that though desirous of returning to her friends she had not the means-that knowing I was a citizen of New-York, she had taken the liberty to apply to my humanity for assistance. "I replied, that her situation was a very interesting one-that I was disposed to afford her assistance to convey her to her friends, but this at the moment not being convenient to me (which was the fact) I must request the place of her residence, to which I should bring or send a small supply of money. She told me the street and the number of the house where she lodged. In the evening I put a bank-bill in my pocket and went to the house. I inquired for Mrs. Reynolds and was shewn up stairs, at the head of which she met me and conducted me into a bed room. I took the bill out of my pocket and gave it to her. Some conversation ensued from which it was quickly apparent that other than pecuniary consolation would be acceptable. "After this, I had frequent meetings with her, most of them at my own house; Mrs. Hamilton with her children being absent on a visit to her father."
It continues: "The intercourse with Mrs. Reynolds, in the mean time, continued; and, though various reflections, (in which a further knowledge of Reynolds’ character and the suspicion of some concert between the husband and wife bore a part) induced me to wish a cessation of it; yet her conduct, made it extremely difficult to disentangle myself. All the appearances of violent attachment, and of agonizing distress at the idea of a relinquishment, were played off with a most imposing art. This, though it did not make me entirely the dupe of the plot, yet kept me in a state of irresolution. My sensibility, perhaps my vanity, admitted the possibility of a real fondness; and led me to adopt the plan of a gradual discontinuance rather than of a sudden interruption, as least calculated to give pain, if a real partiality existed. "Mrs. Reynolds, on the other hand, employed every effort to keep up my attention and visits. Her pen was freely employed, and her letters were filled with those tender and pathetic effusions which would have been natural to a woman truly fond and neglected. "One day, I received a letter from her, which is in the appendix (No. I. b) intimating a discovery by her husband. It was matter of doubt with me whether there had been really a discovery by accident, or whether the time for the catastrophe of the plot was arrived."
Digirati She led him into a bedroom. Where does it say that she let her legs spread and said, “stay”? He says that other than pecuniary consolation was acceptable. So who broached the subject first. We don’t know. So she was willing, that doesn’t mean she asked him to stay. Remover, she’s young, poor and in trouble. She might have done anything for help. And then I’ll say again - This woman is a comedian. The entire bit is a joke... so none of this matters in the slightest.
I went to see Hamilton the other day and had to force myself to sit quietly during that bit. A brief assessment of the room told me that there wouldn’t be many fellow Katherine Ryan fans there (or at least fellow Katherine Ryan fans who would join me in a chant of “Put you fucking dick away!”)
Who is this Lin everyone talks about in the comment. I came here for Katherine Ryan and have not watched the musical/play (?) and not familiar with anything about US history.
I don't hate any female comedians. There is plenty of misogyny to be found in TH-cam comments though. People enjoy venting their spleen anonymously. To them I say lighten up you miserable, po-faced gits.
@@styleisaweapon that's pretty true like I'm sure this one is nice but as someone that has heard the whole soundtrack she's kind of misrepresenting this part of the play. Like I won't say she's wrong to say he shouldn't have slept with Mrs. Maria Reynolds (pretty much everyone can agree to that) but in the song during her own verses she propositions him so he is given the choice to leave when she says "stay" as the lyric goes "she leads me to her bed as her legs spread and says staaay" . In short going off of the play the joke doesn't work as well as it could have. Maybe before seeing the play this would have been funnier though to give her the benefit of the doubt since that may be a biased on my part.
John Walcott people don’t hate female comedians, people just hate shit comedy, just cause some of them are women doesn’t mean people hat female comedians. I can think some female comedians who are shit but there are plenty more Male comedians who are shit as well.
She did actually ask him to "Stay?" in the song - But I concur - she was extremely vulnerable and a child and a victim of sexual abuse and probably thought the only way to "repay" him was sex - he should have said no
yes, but she still could have felt that she owed it to him and its still sleazy of him to cheat with anyone much less a vulnerable victim of abuse and unfair laws. that's what made him such a dynamic character, he had many flaws and many accomplishments.
Truthfully, when I heard the song, that's what I thought too. Even is she seduced him... that't not an exuse. And yeah, the musical can't be blamed for his error, but the person itself totally can
ppl in this comment section be like "watch me unironically defend preying on vulnerable women because i don't understand that a stand-up comedy skit about my fav musical isn't a personal attack on lin manuel miranda"
Hamilton is a good musical to watch, but people are delusional if they think that Hamilton is supposed to be an actual good guy. Even Lin said that that wasn't the intention. Several times during the play it was made obvious that he was arrogant and thought too highly of himself.
No one is defending that. He was a shit person who did a shit thing upon her insistence. Under threat from her husband, sure, but Hamilton didn't know any of that and he certainly wouldn't have understood the psychological reasons to turn down this apparently consenting adult woman because we are only just now beginning to talk about this issue hundreds of years later. This joke only gets laughs because she misrepresents the scene. When you lay it out the way Lin did, it's not funny for modern audiences because Hamilton is doing exactly what you say and that's fucked up. I don't know how to turn that into a joke but lying about the scene just turns people away from her point. Which sucks because it's actually a really important point that shouldn't be presented in a way where even people who agree with her are inclined to argue.
@@yenneferofvengerberg did people think he was the good guy?! Burr was the guy I was rooting for and Hamilton's poor wife (or the sister in law omfg) its clear Hamilton is very egotistical at the expense of others who care for him
Fun fact when Maria says “my husband doing me wrong beating me cheating” she was telling the truth James was adusive to Maria and made her sleep with him or he hurt her child
Eliza: please spend literally ANY time with your family Hamilton: no Burr: hey please don’t hold a life long grudge against me for getting a job in politics and not wanting to argue with you Hamilton: no Maria: hey my husband is abusive Hamilton: oh sex you say? How can I say no
Fr I love Hamilton but I was real uncomfortable during this song. "But Maria seduced him and initiated the sex," yeah and she was still a completely vulnerable and powerless person depending on his "good will" for survival (at least as far as he knew).
I have listened to the musical countless times. I have listened to Say No To This once. Every time it comes on, I yell at Hamilton, “You don’t get yourself in the position to begin with, fucko!” and skip.
Hamilton was married and had many children. Women are propositioned all the time and I don't hear those sentences carry as much weight when describing that.
At the beginning of the song Burr says "I'll let him (Hamilton) explain it". So this is the story from Hamilton's point of view, the same as the Reynold's pamphlet. Of course in this scenario he is an unreliable narrator, he twists the truth to his favour, and we as an audience understand that.
all y'all saying she did ask for it in the comments quoting the lyrics: say no to this is all from ALEXANDER'S PERSPECTIVE. we don't KNOW if she actually said any of what he implied she said, cause the audience is seeing it through his eyes. Burr literally says "I'll let him tell it" right before Hamilton starts rapping his peace and skewing the story to paint himself as a victim of blackmail while he willingly cheated on his wife. regardless if Mariah was meaning to lead him right into her abusive husband's hands or not.
yeah, i think it was more like her husband found out and he decided to blackmail hamilton. and i think her husband pushed her to continue this affair or she was desperately in need of comfort because, from what i read, there would be times where hamilton would not respond to her letters and she would send more letters to him asking what she did wrong and how she could fix it. i honestly think he was pretty dumb with his choices, and he probably felt bad for her, but he literally could have done anything but screw her because the reynolds pamphlet came out and ruined her life even more. and he really destroyed that girls life. then we have to discuss that hamilton did willingly cheat on his wife, then only revealed the affair under the pressure of t jefferson and j monroe (it wasn't madison that was involved when i looked it up). and then he went and published a book on his affair instead of just telling his wife like someone who made that mistake and actually cared about his wife's feelings would have done.
Cherry Slayy I bet if he’d told his wife when her father was still alive she might have left him or divorced him and moved back in with her father and he probably knew this. I also bet he had many affairs and only came clean about this one because there was evidence leading back to him
Except for the fact that Maria, under no duress and years later, told several people the story of their first night together, which closely mirrored A. Ham's version of the story. She even supposedly wrote her own pamphlet, but it was never published.
@@lizangel45 1. He doesn't in the London performances, which I think is what Ryan is referring to here. 2. Hamilton's actions aren't the writer's fault either. The way they're portrayed in the script is potentially problematic, sure, but it doesn't mean he defends them. 3. So? Yelling out like that interrupts and ruins the performance for the rest of the audience, and isn't fair on any of the cast.
Eliza: Come to bed Hamilton: No Eliza: You write like you're running out of time..come sleep Hamilton: No Eliza: Come with me on vacation Hamilton: No Random girl: Give me money and have sex with me Hamilton: I don't know how to say no to this... Me: Bitch whet??
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I mean it isn't encouraging sexual assault in the song, the song is meant to show Hamilton in a really shitty light, which is why all the assembly is yelling at him "no" because he is the doing the really bad.
Yes and Lin Manuel Miranda chose his words carefully. Notice how he says "I don't say no to this" instead of "I can't say no to this." It's totally putting the responsibility on Hamilton and not Maria.
I'm not sure why the song sounds wrong. It could be Hamilton putting his spin on the events of course and being an unreliable narrator - but what he does narrate is basically Maria coming on to him pretty hard, and him going along with the seduction instead of saying no.
Ehhh it did show his flaws but it was definitely pro-Hammo. It's impossible to know how accurate the historicity of the musical's portrayal of their relationship was. In the musical after she tells him of her troubles, he doesn't go straight into the "just say no to this lyrics." Hamilton: "I offered her a loan, I offered to walk her home." He gives her 30 bucks, walks her home. When they get there... Reynolds: "This one's mine sir." Hamilton: "Well I should head back home." Hamilton: "She turned red, she led me to her bed, let her legs spread, and said... Reynolds: "stay.'" Hamilton: "That's when I began to pray, Lord help me say no to this." He definitely SHOULD and COULD have said no. This woman was abandoned and abused by her husband and helpless. He betrays his wife and continues to see her even husband finds out. Then he blackmails him and basically pimps Miriah out by extorting money from Hanmo. Hamilton shouldn't be condoned for any of his behavior, but the comedian's portrayal of what happens in the musical isn't accurate. And I would be pretty pissed if I paid an astronomically shit ton of money to see a broadway musical and some other guest takes it upon themselves to ruin it for the rest of us. Tons of musicals portray immoral behavior. Is she going to scream through Rent, Wicked, and Rocky Horror?
@@raywilliams5352 I mean is that bad it is pro Hammo? He certainly did more good for the US, him cheating for a month is nothing compared to the good he did
It's not a "hate" comment. It's not just not my type of humour. Just because I happened to disagree you with you, doesn't mean I'm "hating2 on her. That type of language is for children. @@madhushrutimukherjee
I hardly call defending actors and playwrights and actual historical events as hate, she should have really done her research on the subject In question before she wrote a bit in a comedy show that is tbh a poor portrayal of feminism
In the context of the play, they make it seem like Maria seduces Hamilton and kinda tricks him into bed so her husband can extort him, which is the only thing I don't like about it. Like, he totally just cheated on his wife, don't make it out to be the mistress's fault.
So I think that was on purpose. Burr starts out the songs saying he will let Hamilton tell his version of events so this is supposed to be from Hamilton's viewpoint/the story he spins later in the Reynolds Pamphlet to excuse his behavior
I don’t think it did make it out like it was her fault, there’s a lot of shaming of Hamilton in the play (all the people screaming no at him, the Reynolds Pamphlet ruining his career, Eliza being mad at him and leaving him, how the singers say her forgiveness is unimaginable, highlighting how unforgivable his actions were). However a lot of people make it out like Maria Reynolds was Hamilton’s victim, which isn’t quite how it’s portrayed in the story of the play either. Whether that’s the case in real life idk but the play Hamilton cheats on his wife in a two way consensual relationship.
I haven't seen the play but if a woman knows a man is in a committed relationship and still chooses to engage in act of infidelity with him, that woman is at fault as well. The woman's actions were also intentional and immoral.
@@MusicalGrainsofSand even then he doesnt get away with it and doesnt get to be president, gets the title of first sex scandal in american political history, and eliza leaves him.
Or maybe like the majority of people who've seen this, they were waiting for the comedy to start. This is just a woman harping on for far too long about nothing important. Comedy? Debatable.
IconoclastUK yeah it reminds me of this obscure show that tried to be “comedy” but was so pointless it was literally referred to as being “a show about nothing”. Like ffs they spend an entire episode focused on the main characters competing to see who go the longest without jerking it and spent another focused on trying to order soup. (It’s called _Seinfeld_ in case you want to try and find it, idk tho, like I said really obscure cause it was *so* unfunny)
@@agentstache135 Seen a few episodes of Seinfeld over the years (not by choice), it wasn't really my idea of fun. I recall it being extremely bland but it rolled on relentlessly because some people must like that kinda thing. Or, nobody liked it but the network, like Netflix, had more money than sense and made it anyway.
I saw Katherine's special before seeing Hamilton live...... it was extremely hard not to reenact and the strangers near me thought I was crazy for laughing this whole scene.
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Perhaps you could all learn to enjoy comedy more if you don't take every word so literally. Of course she didn't REALLY stand up and heckle during the show. Of course the script of "Hamilton" was not exactly how she recited it. This is stand-up comedy, not documentary.
@@JBond-zf4dj I know it sounds like I'm comparing her with Ali's comedy, but I just mean the way Katherine speaks, even the voice. Anyway, i loved her. I'll definitely keep watching her.
No, I get it, she literally is just kind of breaking out in America now, and it's awesome. Check out 8 out of 10 cats does countdown or Taskmaster!! Omg, Taskmaster is so funny. The British comedians have this amazing relationship that is so different from what we see over here. So many great panel shows. The Fix on Netflix is them trying to see if they can get some panel shows going in America, maybe?
Hamilton didn’t just assume straight away that she wanted him she offered her self to him and that’s when the lord show me how to say no to this part came around but that’s no excuse for cheating on my main girl Eliza
2,400 years ago, a Greek playwright wrote “Lysistrata.” It’s is about the women of Athens collectively refusing to have sex with their husbands until the Peloponnesian War ended. The war ended rather quickly.
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This is my least favorite song. Because it always makes males out to be victims and helpless when it comes to female advancements. No my guy you just wanted to mess around with another woman. He was already cheating emotionally with Angelica. BUT I love Hamilton anyway and can’t wait to finally see it on D+!
But I really liked Maria's voice on that song. It's a good & catchy song, for me, it's actually one of my favorite songs. But the content of the lyrics ain't the best (because it literally is about cheating). The song is a bop but I'm a bit guilty for liking a song that's about cheating.
I didn’t really hear it that way, I always heard it in a way that made him sound like a deluded womanising dick which I don’t think the musical is shying away from at all. It definitely doesn’t paint him as a straight hero and tries to make Burr sympathetic rather than a pantomime villain. (I love it by the way)
That was great. And you know she’s listen to the HAMILTON soundtrack 1000 times because she even sang that little “whoa oh” at the end of Maria’s song. Awesome!
This sketch got me into loving stand up comedy 2 years ago, and it's still THE BEST comedy sketch I have seen yet. It's brilliant (and much needed) work!
And I quote: Ham: "And I said 'Well, I should head back home' She turned red, she led me to her bed, let her legs spread and said-" M. Reynolds: "Stay" Ham: "Hey..." M. Reynolds: "Hey" What Hamilton did was not right, and I'm not saying that it is, but to pin it on him for everything is inaccurate to the story. The "means to go on" was when: "I offered her a loan, I offered to walk her home, she said..." M. Reynolds: "You're too kind, sir." Ham: "I gave her thirty bucks that I had socked away. She lived a block away. She said..." M. Reynolds: "This one's mine, sir." Which then he says he should go back home. He does try to help her and initially doesn't engage in anything sexual with her, until tempted more. Again, I am not putting him in the right. He should have done anything more than what he initially did. However, it is unfair to put all the blame on Hamilton, and to claim Mariah Reynolds is 100% innocent Thanks for coming to my TedTalk
The point is same he was powerful man and she was desperate he should Hve said no and still helped her ... basically like Clinton and monica Lewinsky. Was consensual but there Is a power dynamic with a intern and president . Same goes here
@@tanvi7532 Of course he shouldn't have done it, and maybe she was swayed by his status. My point isn't that Hamilton was in the right, it was that he wasn't the only one in the wrong
Miranda did not intend for this to be anything other than a bald and revelatory example of Alexander Hamilton’s narcissism and sexual compulsivity. It is told from Hamilton’s self pitying and morally evasive point of view, not Mariah’s and certainly not of the “general consensus” as represented by the chorus shouting “No.”
The invitation does nothing to negate that accepting it is still an abuse of a power imbalance. Yeah, yeah, different times in the 1700's- still doesn't make it right!
THAT’S WHAT IM SAYING! Like I guess it’s just a joke but it just doesn’t make sense, like she was clearly trying to initiate shit before the chorus ever comes in.
Daniel Morgan I’m with you. I like this comedian and I get that it’s just a joke! But yeah, confusing considering what comes right away next in the play
Keep in mind that the song is from Hamilton’s point of view. We can’t be sure he’s not trying to portray the situation as he wanted it to be to justify it instead of what it actually was.
Still a power imbalance guys!! Same as you don't sleep with someone who's drunk just because they invite you - in that moment there is a power imbalance! This woman is in a powerless situation, and he is doing zilch to help and just using her. So NO an invitation does not make it ok!
yeah it’s not like she just walked into the house and he was feeling the urge to sleep with her, the lines before “lord show me how to say no to this” are “she led me to her bed, let her legs spread and said ‘Stay?’” the chorus is in response to the question “Stay?” both times in the song
During this song at the show, I was like “Nope, no, say no, walk away WALK AWAY”. That’s what happens when you don’t listen to the soundtrack or read the synopsis before the show
Victoria Caceres i know it’s just a bit but as a comedian it seems odd to make yourself a heckler in a joke. she was being the exact person who all comedians would hate to have in their crowd. a little ironic.
Having both watched Hamilton and having read the inspiring biography to get a better sense of the whole Reynolds situation, Hamilton is 100% the bad guy here. He makes friends with a 23-year-old mentally unstable (you can tell from her letters she had bad mental health issues) lady while he's 34. Mariah tells Hamilton that she's being abused by her husband and, possibly, that she fears for the life of her daughter. They flirt, then have sex. Definitely highly morally questionable on married Mr hamilton's part, but it gets worse, cause this shit wasn't just a one night stand. Hamilton, his wife and kids on a visit to his wife's father, writes to tell them not to come home yet so he can carry on his affair, which lasted for at least a year after Eliza returned. They correspond through letters, in which the obviously mentally ill and emotionally dependent Mariah describes her abuse. Hamilton, having excellent lawyer connections, could easily get Mariah divorced from her husband, but he doesn't bother. He only stops, in fact, when James Reynolds, Mariah's abusive husband, begins extorting Hamilton for money, threatening to expose him. This triggers a whole shit fest of idiocy including notable characters, future president James Monroe for example, but Hamilton eventually decides the best course of action will be to abandon Mariah to her situation then write about the affair in a famous self-expose`, damming both Mariah and his wife Eliza to unfair disgrace and half ruining his career. What a great guy.
Everyone in the comments talking about how in the play "she spread her legs and told him to stay" are missing the fucking point, which is that instead of taking advantage of a desperate woman you should just help her. Just fucking help her.
First of all, y'all, ABSOLUTELY happened (why he eventually came out with the Reynolds Pamphlet), secondly, even HE realized it was problematic (altho' almost certainly a set-up,), and he certainly COULDA said "No" to that. But he manned up about it, took his lumps, partially lost his country and family's respect, and got into a duel where he died (partly over it). Read the book, y'all. BUT, storywise, ALL heroes need flaws to overcome (according to The Hero's Journey - this is a basic dramatic tool) - this was chosen as his.
If a female said the same thing about a young boy, I am sure you would be more annoyed by it. But when women are still systemically more severely oppressed to this day for simply being women, men are more triggered when something is said about them, despite the fact that they have been significantly less oppressed throughout history for being men.
@@pixelpuff And, agreed, Alanna - it was a shit thing to do (especially to his loving wife). As I stated, he COULDA said "No", but didn't. He most definitely took advantage of the situation, even tho' it seemed planned out (or at the least, perpetuated) by the Reynolds. I do think it was courageous, tho' for him to own it (albeit under pressure to explain away other charges). And, dramatically (since this is really only a musical - not a real life political sex scandal, like some current ones *ahem*), it did make for a huge plot point , and character turn in "Hamilton". That's really what I'm saying.
@@LamesWivams Truth, Paul. As I'm sure you know, all humans do... BUT he did do a lot to help set this country up for success, too. (I believe way more on the upside.) But I guess I was saying "For the sake of this FICTIONized musical theatre piece, Infidelity was chosen as his hubric downfall, because it's SO much sexier to sing about in an R&B song than "perceived embezzlement/financial corruption". (Now I think I'm gonna hafta write THAT song! 😁) Anybody agree?
Ms. Ryan, if you so desire, come play in the fandom some time. We mock Alex for... well, a lot of things, but that includes Suddenly Being Unable To Say No. We also have sing alongs. Your mileage may vary regarding any of our fanfiction.
To everyone saying that Hamilton didn't start singing "I don't know how to say no this" until after the verse “let her legs spread and said 'stay'”... Let's also remember this is Hamilton's version of it. As much as I don't find Katherine's comedy very funny in this sketch, it's also poignant to remember we know the guy's version of the story, not Maria's. And I think Lin did that on purpose when we have other characters (Angelica, Burr, Eliza) narrating from their POV aside from Hamilton.
Remember comedy is comedy, so don't sweat it too much, and definitely don't attack Katherine. Also, remember Lin-Manuel Miranda himself has seen this very clip and Tweeted "Oh it is THE BEST."
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i feel like this is directed towards my comment since most of the other comments are just jokes lol
i wasn’t attacking Katherine, I was just mentioning the actual facts
Ashton Todarello
there’s literally no argument, my dude. chill.
Def not aimed at you or anyone in particular. Comment sections are meant to be for debate and chat so love to see it. We were just seeing some quite nasty comments (again not from you) after the Disney+ streaming so wanted to make sure people remember to stay kind.
Oooooo! Netflix in a comment battle! Gonna grab the popcorn!
Feel attacked. I'm not doing anything wrong but still. Her jokes we're great, in a few places, but it felt like nitpicking to me especially since I like to be a factually correct person. Not attacking, just my opinion.
“No! I’m too important!!”
Alexander’s mindset for the entirety of Act 2
No. That's just not what it is. He was doing important shit, not being important. He thought the important shit was more important than his family, sure, but he didn't once call himself important.
Cosmic Honestly most of act 2 probably could’ve not happened if Eliza waited until next summer
The thing is tho he would've lost his job if he had taken a break =/
@@bronzetomatoes5613 And he would have progressed so much further in his job is he hadn't taken
his dick out, lol
it's kind of the opposite in act 1: nooo Washington I can fight I'm not THAT important
I can just picture Lin Manuel Miranda yelling hell yes to this clip.
He would find it hilarious.
A video of him reacting to this would be awesome
It is a pretty funny clip.
Raquel Engen yesss
I wonder if he regrets not having written this in that section? It is very funny!
i think its so funny that when she first sings, the audience is like “should we clap? im not sure!” haha
"She had so many of Hamilton's kids, they named two of them Philip."
*cries*
Une deux trois...
She didn't make it to that part.
@@ikaiti9841 It sounds like she has listened to the cast recording, so there's a chance she got to that part, and just breezed over the rainbow baby thing for her routine. But yeah, she might have been more hesitant if she had heard Eliza's scream.
@@mirandabee2323 Assume she was trying to avoid spoilers.
They had to replace the first one.
How did no one laugh at “he sat at home alone for about *five* seconds”
Lmao ikr
I mean. Alexander was by himself. Burr let him tell it
i laughed...
@JeremyK 541OR. Soo...you like Trump tweets?
@@jesperjee wtf are you talking about? That has nothing to do with this video or any of the comments.
Netflix to Disney+ be like: *It must be nice it must be nice to have Hamilton on your side*
HAHA
Underrated comment
🔥🔥🔥
Noice!
Talk less smile more don’t let them know what your against or what you’re for
Lin, portraying Alexander: “Lord show me how to say no to this!”
Katherine: “SAY NO TO WHAT?!”
Lin: * Rips off wig * EXACTLY GUUURLL
Hyped Apple - Lin actually grew his hair out, so in my mind it looked like:
*rips off hair*
*screams of terror*
Oml yes
T. H. Oh I know that. He had a wig ready though and I think he even used it during the Puerto Rico run
Hyped Apple - ah, I see, that definitely makes more sense then
Do people actually believe the original story was a musical? Cause Lin literally wrote it himself
Just imagine Lin was in the audience of her show and just stands up and says.”That’s true!”
Underrated comment.
I get that reference.
1780 a winters ball-
Gracey L.
And yet they were having a “revel with some rebels on a hot night”.
martha washington named her feral tom cat after him.
Eliza: take a break you haven't slept for three days
Hamilton: no
Angelica: come to the country with us
Hamilton: no
Maria: hey waddup cheat on your wife maybe
Hamilton: sure why not
he seems perfectly capable of saying no to his wife and sister in law but somehow can’t say it to a stranger.... interesting
So all they had to say was maybe 🤔 problem sol- wait that’s not the point well sti-oh ok ummmmm nvm
Well, I mean, let’s be honest here... saying no or not, you know that Alexander did his business and 2 minutes later he was right back to writing. I think he took more time writing the Reynolds Pamphlet than the actual affair took. #alltalknoaction
Holly Verret well their affair went on for around a year 😂. So he spent some time on her
Uhhh
how come nobody's pointed out that the best joke in this stand up is: "So when I said I've seen Hamilton... I've seen HALF of Hamilton."
@@agostinamaidana6720 her only seeing "half" of Hamilton implies that she was thrown out in the middle of the show because of her antics
Eugenia Leonetta Oh I thought it meant something entirely different 👁👄👁
Indeed. that was the one that made me laugh out loud.
@@mycatalrhythm would've thrown her out to. If she's acting like *This* in a show where families are trying to watch this in peace. Yeah would've thrown her out to.
@@Icarusinhischariot psst... sometimes stand up comedians exaggerate or imagine encounters for *•~°comedic affect°~•*
"America was very classist and racist" "it's difficult to imagine it that way now.." haha good one.
TeaAtTwo But it was less statist, so it had that going for it. Which was nice.
America got roasted once again
Dumbest shit ever. If America is so classist and racist how did a black man become President? It's funny coming from a Canadian who's cuntry protects pedophiles and demonizes peoples free speech...yeah Canada sounds awesome
@@LP-ii3vy You are clueless. Did you know it was...oh, I'm guessing not, but did you know up until 1967 it was illegal for black and while people to marry in some states?
@@RoseNoho you fucking moronic parasite...what year are we currently in?
"they named two of them philip !" well the first one didn't finish his french counting-
NOOOOO
Sobbbbb
:'( noooooooOOOOOOO
Too soon!
😭😭😭
I just noticed that maria literally sang "my husband's doing me wrong, *cheating* me, mistreating me..." and then hamilton goes and does exactly the same to HIS wife by cheating on her
letsHugElefanten I honestly thought that cheating me meant that he wasn’t doing what he was meant(aka supporting her)
- that one person - it’s there too she forgot to put it goes before “cheatin me”
- that one person - I think it goes, “my husband’s doing me wrong, beating me, cheating me, mistreating me, suddenly he’s up and goooone.”
I think cheating as in cheating her of money and support.
- that one person - he was doing that too
Ah, yes, Say No To This
Or as I like to call it......
"Hamilton ignores the entire ensemble screaming behind him LITERALLY TELLING HIM THE RIGHT THING TO DO....and he ignores them all"
I love the ensemble bc it's voicing what everyone in the audience is thinking at the moment. It's almost also like every cast member themselves are saying it from the hart like "Say no you idiot!!! And there he goes again."
I love the musical but I skip this song every time. I just hate it because it's the start of the downhill portion of his life.
Literally Everyone: HAMILTON NO.
Hamilton: HAMILTON YES.
literally i remember the first time i ever listened to say no to this, i literally shouted “NO!” at the same time the ensemble did
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Philip: Mom what's for dinner?
Eliza: roasted Ham.
*_the next day_*
Phillip: mommy, where’s daddy?
Eliza: *in your belly*
Philip one or two?
Underrated comment 😂😂
I laughed WAY to hard at this
And I oop😮
Is no one gonna comment how good of a singer she is? Daaaamn Katherine!!
RIGHT?!?!? I wish she kept singing throughout the standup. It was like candy for my ears Lol
🎵Put yo fucking dick away🎵
... because it isn't great? It's passable .. it would be good for karaoke with friends ...
she's not and i wn't lie i cringed a little
It's more like, average. She's good, yeah, but nothing I wanted to hear on the radio.
Simple answer: Hamilton has serious unaddressed mommy issues. He describes his wife, his mistress, and his mother as "helpless". Dude's got a complex about it.
wait when did he call his mom helpless
bees knees Maybe they’re talking about the line
“But I’ll never forget my mother’s face, that was real.
And as long as I’m alive, Eliza, I swear to god you’ll never feel so helpless”
@@decentgrocerybag4003
To be fair, he saw how weak she was when she was on the brink of death, so it's bot surprising he saw her that way
Ace Error Yeah fair.
Women had been made helpless by unfair laws. Glad he wanted to help the helpless...but not with his dick.
I feel bad for the people who actually haven’t seen Hamilton and don’t understand how this is not exaggerated 😂😂
@@kaze4223 and here I was thinking nobody here had actually seen hamilton...
ka ze so he says...
ka ze the fact that burr says “I’ll let him tell it” indicates that it’s entirely from his biased perspective and the whole story is so unbelievable I think Lin expected everyone to get that
I mean sure, but dialogue isn't really a matter of perspective. For Maria's lines to be affected by this we'd have to either assume Hamilton (as narrator in this song) is lying directly to the audience (as nobody else is listening) - or is delusional enough to imagine dialogue that never happened.
Hamilton's inner monologue is subjective for sure, but extending that to the assumption that he's lying to the audience seems a bit odd to me unless there's something to indicate this happened in the musical. (nothing I'm aware of, but I might've missed details, there are a lot of those after all.)
iaknihsX2 the suggestion is not that he’s lying per se but it is definitely the suggestion that it’s his story told from his perspective and that he could obviously be lying bc it’s just his word. and not only just his word but what he wrote down for the world to read about so even more likely to be sanitised
the suggestion, like so many parts of hamilton, is that we don’t know what really happened
"Say no to wot? She didn't ask you anything!"
naw she commanded 😎 Lolol 🤣
Lauren Rogers THANK YOU 😂
Lauren Rogers Right cause as she was leading him to a bed it didn't occur to him to say, "Well I must be going now."
@@MommyOfZoeAndLiam But she was so helpless and emotionally vulnerable. How could he not stay to "comfort" her?
Just a continuous stream of money, to be paid for with that traditional form of value that usually leaves men poorer than when they came in :P
The chorus is telling him how to say 'no" during the entire song.
Literally everyone is screaming “no” at him
that’s my favorite part because it feels like the audience is literally screaming at Hamilton
The chorus is all of us
Haha 😂 thank you for pointing this out
yah like can he listen
Let's all appreciate her singing voice
I KNOW! I heard her crooning that line and thought, "HELL YES"!
Yess!!! she's definitely gonna be a good musical/voice actor if she wants to pursue it.
Petition for Katherine to do a one-woman version of Hamilton
Fuck no, That'd be dreadful.
yes please. she can also do a commentary on every part of the story and roast every shitty decision he makes.
Well, half of it 😅
Instead of the ensemble singing no in the background of say no to this it’d just be her chanting “Put your fucking dick away!”
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"HeR bOdY iS nOt SaYiNg ThAt To YoU"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Breigh Steenberg 1.) her voice is literally saying that to him. She leads him to her bedroom and after Hamilton says he’s leaving she asks him to stay. 2.) she spreads her legs and says please stay.
EJ Wiksten everything she’s saying is clearly a joke
carrington.m not funny in the slightest either. At least to me. To each there own tho. Why does she make it seems like he raped her?
3rdSt did you watch the video? katherine wasn’t making it seem like he r*ped her, she was saying that maria wasn’t throwing herself at him so there was nothing for him to say no to. and even then he could’ve just said no.
carrington.m uhhhhhhhhhhhhh have you watched Hamilton???? Look up the song at least before making yourself look stupid. She literally takes him to her bed and spreads her legs and asks him to stay. That’s when he asked how to say no. Soooooooooooooooooooo she WAS throwing her self at him. It’s like she didn’t even see the show tf
Really the true genius in this piece is that she gets the audience to agree that you *obviously* should not have sex with a vulnerable person under any circumstance, then sets up a story where the woman is obviously extremely vulnerable in many ways and watch how many people go "bUt hE sAiD sHe wAnTed iT"
So i agree that sleeping with her was a moral failure, not only because he was untrue to his wife but because he took advantage of a vunerable woman. My only issue is that a lot of the jokes hang on the false premise that "you can't say no to a question that wasn't asked", which isn't true if she lead him to her bedroom and spread her legs when he was about to go. What Hamilton did is still wrong, but that's the point of the song. The point of this stand up seems to be making jokes that only work if you omit just the right lyrics of the show xD and I mean she does seem to remember em pretty well! So I agree with the message, but the delivery to me is not very effective. That's all I'd argue for, personally. And when you misrepresent material like that it can sometimes weaken that message.
EDIT: I do not want to claim that just because history says she came on to him, that that is what actually happened IRL. Socialy women were a lot more likely to be shamed for adultery and the situation could absolutely have been different. This commentary is just based on how the show represents what went down.
@@Chris_W And the point of the lyric is that Hamilton is telling his version of the story. There is no reality behind the lyric, and no biography that quotes Hamilton as saying anything of the kind.
It is, in fact, almost verbatim from the Reynolds Pamphlet, in contradiction to your claim Hamilton never said anything of the kind:
"Some time in the summer of the year 1791 a woman called at my house in the city of Philadelphia and asked to speak with me in private. I attended her into a room apart from the family. With a seeming air of affliction she informed that she was a daughter of a Mr. Lewis, sister to a Mr. G. Livingston of the State of New-York, and wife to a Mr. Reynolds whose father was in the Commissary Department during the war with Great Britain, that her husband, who for a long time had treated her very cruelly, had lately left her, to live with another woman, and in so destitute a condition, that though desirous of returning to her friends she had not the means-that knowing I was a citizen of New-York, she had taken the liberty to apply to my humanity for assistance.
"I replied, that her situation was a very interesting one-that I was disposed to afford her assistance to convey her to her friends, but this at the moment not being convenient to me (which was the fact) I must request the place of her residence, to which I should bring or send a small supply of money. She told me the street and the number of the house where she lodged. In the evening I put a bank-bill in my pocket and went to the house. I inquired for Mrs. Reynolds and was shewn up stairs, at the head of which she met me and conducted me into a bed room. I took the bill out of my pocket and gave it to her. Some conversation ensued from which it was quickly apparent that other than pecuniary consolation would be acceptable.
"After this, I had frequent meetings with her, most of them at my own house; Mrs. Hamilton with her children being absent on a visit to her father."
It continues:
"The intercourse with Mrs. Reynolds, in the mean time, continued; and, though various reflections, (in which a further knowledge of Reynolds’ character and the suspicion of some concert between the husband and wife bore a part) induced me to wish a cessation of it; yet her conduct, made it extremely difficult to disentangle myself. All the appearances of violent attachment, and of agonizing distress at the idea of a relinquishment, were played off with a most imposing art. This, though it did not make me entirely the dupe of the plot, yet kept me in a state of irresolution. My sensibility, perhaps my vanity, admitted the possibility of a real fondness; and led me to adopt the plan of a gradual discontinuance rather than of a sudden interruption, as least calculated to give pain, if a real partiality existed.
"Mrs. Reynolds, on the other hand, employed every effort to keep up my attention and visits. Her pen was freely employed, and her letters were filled with those tender and pathetic effusions which would have been natural to a woman truly fond and neglected.
"One day, I received a letter from her, which is in the appendix (No. I. b) intimating a discovery by her husband. It was matter of doubt with me whether there had been really a discovery by accident, or whether the time for the catastrophe of the plot was arrived."
Digirati She led him into a bedroom. Where does it say that she let her legs spread and said, “stay”? He says that other than pecuniary consolation was acceptable. So who broached the subject first. We don’t know. So she was willing, that doesn’t mean she asked him to stay. Remover, she’s young, poor and in trouble. She might have done anything for help.
And then I’ll say again - This woman is a comedian. The entire bit is a joke... so none of this matters in the slightest.
Is no one else gonna talk about how professional those actors would have to be to ignore her.
(I know she didn't actually do it ;-;)
I feel like she didn't actually do that
She mentioned she didn't actually do it lol
I think comedy will become much more enjoyable if you are less literal in your reception of it.
Its actually kinda rude but I doubt she actually did it 😂
@Pearl Carayo Herrera-Lim at 3:08, if I didn't misunderstand that hhh
Idk I might pay money to see her do Hamilton as a one woman show.
That'd be interesting.
I would watch that!
WITH outraged commentary, pls.
@@austenhead5303 Yeah, she has to make her own commentary or it won't be as fun to watch.
I definitely would lol
I went to see Hamilton the other day and had to force myself to sit quietly during that bit. A brief assessment of the room told me that there wouldn’t be many fellow Katherine Ryan fans there (or at least fellow Katherine Ryan fans who would join me in a chant of “Put you fucking dick away!”)
I love this bc Lin Manuel-Miranda also acknowledges that Hamilton was a huge asshole so he'd be like "You right tho"
Who is this Lin everyone talks about in the comment. I came here for Katherine Ryan and have not watched the musical/play (?) and not familiar with anything about US history.
@@budle89 Lin-Manuel Miranda is the creator of "Hamilton" and he also plays "Alexander Hamilton" in the play
@@khanhkhanh8496 thanks
This show is hilarious. She is awesome. I really don’t get why people hate on good female comedians
I don't hate any female comedians. There is plenty of misogyny to be found in TH-cam comments though. People enjoy venting their spleen anonymously. To them I say lighten up you miserable, po-faced gits.
@@MrExEssex and plenty of misandry to be found in female comedians...
@@styleisaweapon that's pretty true like I'm sure this one is nice but as someone that has heard the whole soundtrack she's kind of misrepresenting this part of the play. Like I won't say she's wrong to say he shouldn't have slept with Mrs. Maria Reynolds (pretty much everyone can agree to that) but in the song during her own verses she propositions him so he is given the choice to leave when she says "stay" as the lyric goes "she leads me to her bed as her legs spread and says staaay" . In short going off of the play the joke doesn't work as well as it could have. Maybe before seeing the play this would have been funnier though to give her the benefit of the doubt since that may be a biased on my part.
John Walcott people don’t hate female comedians, people just hate shit comedy, just cause some of them are women doesn’t mean people hat female comedians. I can think some female comedians who are shit but there are plenty more Male comedians who are shit as well.
Cause there's plenty of bad or raunchy female comedians. There's raunchy and bad guy ones too, and I don't watch them either.
She did actually ask him to "Stay?" in the song - But I concur - she was extremely vulnerable and a child and a victim of sexual abuse and probably thought the only way to "repay" him was sex - he should have said no
Maria Reynolds was not a child- she was 23 at the time of the affair.
she was already married and 23 at the time of their affair
yes, but she still could have felt that she owed it to him and its still sleazy of him to cheat with anyone much less a vulnerable victim of abuse and unfair laws. that's what made him such a dynamic character, he had many flaws and many accomplishments.
He could have said no, just like she could have approached him in a different way. I mean if we are just going off what she's saying.
To be fair, she asked him to “stay?” in HIS telling of the story so that might be something we’re meant to consider
Truthfully, when I heard the song, that's what I thought too. Even is she seduced him... that't not an exuse. And yeah, the musical can't be blamed for his error, but the person itself totally can
The musical can be blamed. There is all sorts of irl shit that gets ignored, glossed over, or changed for adaptations, including in Hamilton.
And now he's on the $20 bill lol
Hamilton is not historically accurate. And, she went there to entrap him so her husband could BLACKMAIL Hamilton. Innocent she was not.
SJ47668 but she didn’t get to see that part because she was kicked out of the theater lol
Actually, the way the musical portrayed it as though it was romantic & sexy & a little naughty, but somehow cute... yeah, the musical CAN be blamed.
ppl in this comment section be like "watch me unironically defend preying on vulnerable women because i don't understand that a stand-up comedy skit about my fav musical isn't a personal attack on lin manuel miranda"
Hamilton is a good musical to watch, but people are delusional if they think that Hamilton is supposed to be an actual good guy. Even Lin said that that wasn't the intention. Several times during the play it was made obvious that he was arrogant and thought too highly of himself.
@@mtan2004 yep! I adore that about this play 😁
No one is defending that. He was a shit person who did a shit thing upon her insistence. Under threat from her husband, sure, but Hamilton didn't know any of that and he certainly wouldn't have understood the psychological reasons to turn down this apparently consenting adult woman because we are only just now beginning to talk about this issue hundreds of years later. This joke only gets laughs because she misrepresents the scene. When you lay it out the way Lin did, it's not funny for modern audiences because Hamilton is doing exactly what you say and that's fucked up. I don't know how to turn that into a joke but lying about the scene just turns people away from her point. Which sucks because it's actually a really important point that shouldn't be presented in a way where even people who agree with her are inclined to argue.
@@yenneferofvengerberg did people think he was the good guy?! Burr was the guy I was rooting for and Hamilton's poor wife (or the sister in law omfg) its clear Hamilton is very egotistical at the expense of others who care for him
@@selty you'd bd surprised
He sat alone in his house for like five seconds
And then I’m like oh shit!
My exact reaction
Fun fact when Maria says “my husband doing me wrong beating me cheating” she was telling the truth James was adusive to Maria and made her sleep with him or he hurt her child
Makes sense... instead of confronting Hamilton like a normal person he said, “lol. I don’t fuckin care, but you’re gonna pay me anyway.
i knew he was using her because he didn’t care about the wife at all when he wrote hamilton only about the money
the husband pimped her out. how is this isn't abuse?
@@conancat it is totally is abuse.
Yeah she slept with Hamilton cause her husband threatened to kill her child if she didn’t, so he could get money from him.
Eliza: please spend literally ANY time with your family
Hamilton: no
Burr: hey please don’t hold a life long grudge against me for getting a job in politics and not wanting to argue with you
Hamilton: no
Maria: hey my husband is abusive
Hamilton: oh sex you say? How can I say no
*coughs*
Where did she buy her top?! I LOVE it!! 😍😍
Yessssss
I was thinking the same
I literally had to rewind to pay attention to what she said because all I could think about at first was that top 😂
Female comedian makes a commentary of the power imbalance between genders, races and classes of the late 1700s America.
OMG I LOVE THAT TOP.
Its 'josephine' by gucci.
Fr I love Hamilton but I was real uncomfortable during this song. "But Maria seduced him and initiated the sex," yeah and she was still a completely vulnerable and powerless person depending on his "good will" for survival (at least as far as he knew).
I have listened to the musical countless times. I have listened to Say No To This once. Every time it comes on, I yell at Hamilton, “You don’t get yourself in the position to begin with, fucko!” and skip.
She was pimped out by her husband so that he could make some money. She's being used by both men. :(
Hamilton was married and had many children. Women are propositioned all the time and I don't hear those sentences carry as much weight when describing that.
At the beginning of the song Burr says "I'll let him (Hamilton) explain it". So this is the story from Hamilton's point of view, the same as the Reynold's pamphlet. Of course in this scenario he is an unreliable narrator, he twists the truth to his favour, and we as an audience understand that.
Aww.. you girls sure get worked up about some harmless, centuries old dicking, served up as soppy musical theater.
all y'all saying she did ask for it in the comments quoting the lyrics: say no to this is all from ALEXANDER'S PERSPECTIVE. we don't KNOW if she actually said any of what he implied she said, cause the audience is seeing it through his eyes. Burr literally says "I'll let him tell it" right before Hamilton starts rapping his peace and skewing the story to paint himself as a victim of blackmail while he willingly cheated on his wife. regardless if Mariah was meaning to lead him right into her abusive husband's hands or not.
yeah, i think it was more like her husband found out and he decided to blackmail hamilton. and i think her husband pushed her to continue this affair or she was desperately in need of comfort because, from what i read, there would be times where hamilton would not respond to her letters and she would send more letters to him asking what she did wrong and how she could fix it. i honestly think he was pretty dumb with his choices, and he probably felt bad for her, but he literally could have done anything but screw her because the reynolds pamphlet came out and ruined her life even more. and he really destroyed that girls life.
then we have to discuss that hamilton did willingly cheat on his wife, then only revealed the affair under the pressure of t jefferson and j monroe (it wasn't madison that was involved when i looked it up). and then he went and published a book on his affair instead of just telling his wife like someone who made that mistake and actually cared about his wife's feelings would have done.
Cherry Slayy I bet if he’d told his wife when her father was still alive she might have left him or divorced him and moved back in with her father and he probably knew this. I also bet he had many affairs and only came clean about this one because there was evidence leading back to him
@@maxaustin3377 man thats harsh, theres no evidence he went THAT far jeez
MrAlienated harsh? Lol he was known as a womaniser before he got married and he had an affair at least once so it’s not that far-fetched
Except for the fact that Maria, under no duress and years later, told several people the story of their first night together, which closely mirrored A. Ham's version of the story. She even supposedly wrote her own pamphlet, but it was never published.
As a theatre geek, this was terrifying, but as a person, holy fuck preach.
One of my favorite Katherine Ryan stand-up segments of all time. She is such an iconic boss. 🥰
“Her BoDY is not SaYiNg that to YOUuuu” 😂
I hope she didn't actually heckle during Hamilton though. That's the opposite of cool. It's a good point she makes but it's not the actors' fault
Lin manuel miranda, who plays hamilton, wrote the play, so, yeah it was.
@@lizangel45 1. He doesn't in the London performances, which I think is what Ryan is referring to here.
2. Hamilton's actions aren't the writer's fault either. The way they're portrayed in the script is potentially problematic, sure, but it doesn't mean he defends them.
3. So? Yelling out like that interrupts and ruins the performance for the rest of the audience, and isn't fair on any of the cast.
i do believe it was a joke
@@gus8824 - Jesus, people. It's a comedy routine, not True Confessions. She didn't *actually* heckle it.
Imagine living in a world where comedy doesn't exist
Eliza: Come to bed
Hamilton: No
Eliza: You write like you're running out of time..come sleep
Hamilton: No
Eliza: Come with me on vacation
Hamilton: No
Random girl: Give me money and have sex with me
Hamilton: I don't know how to say no to this...
Me: Bitch whet??
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that's why I have a love-hate relationship with that song, it sounds wrong but damn it's so catchy.
I mean it isn't encouraging sexual assault in the song, the song is meant to show Hamilton in a really shitty light, which is why all the assembly is yelling at him "no" because he is the doing the really bad.
i love the song. it shows the bad parts of hamilton.
also the way they sing it like! jasmine cephas-jones is so damn-talented
Yes and Lin Manuel Miranda chose his words carefully. Notice how he says "I don't say no to this" instead of "I can't say no to this." It's totally putting the responsibility on Hamilton and not Maria.
I'm not sure why the song sounds wrong. It could be Hamilton putting his spin on the events of course and being an unreliable narrator - but what he does narrate is basically Maria coming on to him pretty hard, and him going along with the seduction instead of saying no.
The Hamilton bit was my fave part of the special
I don't think Hamilton (the musical) was actually endorsing Hamilton (the person) 's behaviour.
I don't think she, or anyone else, was implying that at all.
@@kohlinoor A lot of people in the comments are.
Ehhh it did show his flaws but it was definitely pro-Hammo. It's impossible to know how accurate the historicity of the musical's portrayal of their relationship was. In the musical after she tells him of her troubles, he doesn't go straight into the "just say no to this lyrics."
Hamilton: "I offered her a loan, I offered to walk her home." He gives her 30 bucks, walks her home. When they get there...
Reynolds: "This one's mine sir."
Hamilton: "Well I should head back home."
Hamilton: "She turned red, she led me to her bed, let her legs spread, and said...
Reynolds: "stay.'"
Hamilton: "That's when I began to pray, Lord help me say no to this."
He definitely SHOULD and COULD have said no. This woman was abandoned and abused by her husband and helpless. He betrays his wife and continues to see her even husband finds out. Then he blackmails him and basically pimps Miriah out by extorting money from Hanmo.
Hamilton shouldn't be condoned for any of his behavior, but the comedian's portrayal of what happens in the musical isn't accurate. And I would be pretty pissed if I paid an astronomically shit ton of money to see a broadway musical and some other guest takes it upon themselves to ruin it for the rest of us. Tons of musicals portray immoral behavior. Is she going to scream through Rent, Wicked, and Rocky Horror?
@@raywilliams5352 I mean is that bad it is pro Hammo? He certainly did more good for the US, him cheating for a month is nothing compared to the good he did
@@raywilliams5352 wait did I miss something? When was Wicked immoral?
The bit when she started going into the singing, from start to finish, was masterfully done.
She's a breath of fresh air. And the hateful comments below pretty much prove her point.
She's really not. She's just extremely cringeworthy.
@@LilySaintSin The fact that that this comment got 83 likes and just one hate comment from you, just proves the point. Again. XD
It's not a "hate" comment. It's not just not my type of humour. Just because I happened to disagree you with you, doesn't mean I'm "hating2 on her. That type of language is for children.
@@madhushrutimukherjee
I hardly call defending actors and playwrights and actual historical events as hate, she should have really done her research on the subject In question before she wrote a bit in a comedy show that is tbh a poor portrayal of feminism
You're dopey.
I wasnt sure how I felt about her. 10 mins into I'm gut busting I'm laughing so hard. She is genuinely funny! I loved it and her!
But there's not even 5 mins of video mate
Annalise he’s talking about her special on Netflix.
I saw her live on once and I didn’t like her stuff but maybe it was an off day
If I had a nickle for every son named Phillip, I'd have 2 nickles. Which is not a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice
In the context of the play, they make it seem like Maria seduces Hamilton and kinda tricks him into bed so her husband can extort him, which is the only thing I don't like about it. Like, he totally just cheated on his wife, don't make it out to be the mistress's fault.
So I think that was on purpose. Burr starts out the songs saying he will let Hamilton tell his version of events so this is supposed to be from Hamilton's viewpoint/the story he spins later in the Reynolds Pamphlet to excuse his behavior
Patricia Lasutschinkow THIS
I don’t think it did make it out like it was her fault, there’s a lot of shaming of Hamilton in the play (all the people screaming no at him, the Reynolds Pamphlet ruining his career, Eliza being mad at him and leaving him, how the singers say her forgiveness is unimaginable, highlighting how unforgivable his actions were).
However a lot of people make it out like Maria Reynolds was Hamilton’s victim, which isn’t quite how it’s portrayed in the story of the play either. Whether that’s the case in real life idk but the play Hamilton cheats on his wife in a two way consensual relationship.
I haven't seen the play but if a woman knows a man is in a committed relationship and still chooses to engage in act of infidelity with him, that woman is at fault as well. The woman's actions were also intentional and immoral.
@@MusicalGrainsofSand even then he doesnt get away with it and doesnt get to be president, gets the title of first sex scandal in american political history, and eliza leaves him.
This special was awesome, her crowd sucked.
Francesca Taphophilia I thought the same thing, that crowd was DOA.
Or maybe like the majority of people who've seen this, they were waiting for the comedy to start. This is just a woman harping on for far too long about nothing important. Comedy? Debatable.
IconoclastUK yeah it reminds me of this obscure show that tried to be “comedy” but was so pointless it was literally referred to as being “a show about nothing”. Like ffs they spend an entire episode focused on the main characters competing to see who go the longest without jerking it and spent another focused on trying to order soup. (It’s called _Seinfeld_ in case you want to try and find it, idk tho, like I said really obscure cause it was *so* unfunny)
@@agentstache135 Seen a few episodes of Seinfeld over the years (not by choice), it wasn't really my idea of fun. I recall it being extremely bland but it rolled on relentlessly because some people must like that kinda thing. Or, nobody liked it but the network, like Netflix, had more money than sense and made it anyway.
@@genericname8727 People really are stupid though, and have bad taste. Go on and hit the "Trending" button of TH-cam to see what I mean.
I saw Katherine's special before seeing Hamilton live...... it was extremely hard not to reenact and the strangers near me thought I was crazy for laughing this whole scene.
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“When a child asks you no questions, what you gonna say?” Is the best line in this.
Perhaps you could all learn to enjoy comedy more if you don't take every word so literally. Of course she didn't REALLY stand up and heckle during the show. Of course the script of "Hamilton" was not exactly how she recited it. This is stand-up comedy, not documentary.
“So when I said ‘I’ve seen Hamilton’... I’ve seen half of Hamilton.”
I died. 🤣
How have I even lived without knowing about this brilliant and talented and beautiful an hillarious woman?! I adore her.
i never thought about the song that way before. but she does have a point
Well she is the one bringing him to her room, spreading her legs and saying "stay", before he sings "I don't know how to say no to this"
She asked him to "stay"
"Then she led me to her bed had her legs spread and said stay"
Olivier Pynoh yeah but it’s also a comedy routine and shouldn’t be taken too seriously, in fact it should be taken the opposite
I'm Here yeah but it’s also a comedy routine and shouldn’t be taken too seriously, in fact it should be taken the opposite
I'm Here it doesnt make it right especially when he knew it was wrong
"Its vERy hard to imagine [america] like that right now..." lmao best part
If you close your eyes and listen carefully after 3:55, you can hear Ali Wong... Same vibe.
Amazing recommendation, YT!
Hahah, you should watch British comedy shows. Katherine Ryan has been around a long time. America us just getting to know her.
@@JBond-zf4dj I know it sounds like I'm comparing her with Ali's comedy, but I just mean the way Katherine speaks, even the voice. Anyway, i loved her. I'll definitely keep watching her.
No, I get it, she literally is just kind of breaking out in America now, and it's awesome. Check out 8 out of 10 cats does countdown or Taskmaster!! Omg, Taskmaster is so funny. The British comedians have this amazing relationship that is so different from what we see over here. So many great panel shows. The Fix on Netflix is them trying to see if they can get some panel shows going in America, maybe?
same energy, voice
Jessica Castillo omg I thought the same thing!
Hamilton didn’t just assume straight away that she wanted him she offered her self to him and that’s when the lord show me how to say no to this part came around but that’s no excuse for cheating on my main girl Eliza
2,400 years ago, a Greek playwright wrote “Lysistrata.” It’s is about the women of Athens collectively refusing to have sex with their husbands until the Peloponnesian War ended. The war ended rather quickly.
This led me down a rabbit hole and I have to thank you for introducing me to the Lioness On a Cheese Grater
I thought it was about how she hated Hamilton the Musical, turns out she just hated the funding father, oof okay, it's safe to watch ladies and gents.
Is That Barret? Great Profile Pic.
funding father is somehow a typo and also not a typo at the same time you're either very astute or you messed up. I know which one it is tho
would it rly hurt you that much to see someone saying something bad about a broadway musical lol
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Or "what happens when you take history lessons from a musical".
This is my least favorite song. Because it always makes males out to be victims and helpless when it comes to female advancements. No my guy you just wanted to mess around with another woman. He was already cheating emotionally with Angelica.
BUT I love Hamilton anyway and can’t wait to finally see it on D+!
But I really liked Maria's voice on that song. It's a good & catchy song, for me, it's actually one of my favorite songs. But the content of the lyrics ain't the best (because it literally is about cheating). The song is a bop but I'm a bit guilty for liking a song that's about cheating.
I have never seen a comment so exactly represent my own thoughts and feelings
it's possible to love the art without loving the characters!
now the art and the artist is another matter altogether...
@@conancat fully agree.
I didn’t really hear it that way, I always heard it in a way that made him sound like a deluded womanising dick which I don’t think the musical is shying away from at all. It definitely doesn’t paint him as a straight hero and tries to make Burr sympathetic rather than a pantomime villain. (I love it by the way)
Every comment having a bitch about Katherine 😂 I think she’s great
That was great. And you know she’s listen to the HAMILTON soundtrack 1000 times because she even sang that little “whoa oh” at the end of Maria’s song. Awesome!
This sketch got me into loving stand up comedy 2 years ago, and it's still THE BEST comedy sketch I have seen yet. It's brilliant (and much needed) work!
Seen the show in full on Netflix and she is amazing, smart, funny, beautiful❤️ Love Katherine Ryan!
We have to watch this as soon as "Say No To This" ends during our watch of Hamilton. So brilliant!
Katherine Ryan you restore my faith in humanity ❤️ THANK YOU!
No one gon talk about that “I’m like oooooooooh sheet”
And I quote:
Ham: "And I said 'Well, I should head back home'
She turned red, she led me to her bed, let her legs spread and said-"
M. Reynolds: "Stay"
Ham: "Hey..."
M. Reynolds: "Hey"
What Hamilton did was not right, and I'm not saying that it is, but to pin it on him for everything is inaccurate to the story. The "means to go on" was when:
"I offered her a loan, I offered to walk her home, she said..."
M. Reynolds: "You're too kind, sir."
Ham: "I gave her thirty bucks that I had socked away. She lived a block away. She said..."
M. Reynolds: "This one's mine, sir."
Which then he says he should go back home. He does try to help her and initially doesn't engage in anything sexual with her, until tempted more. Again, I am not putting him in the right. He should have done anything more than what he initially did. However, it is unfair to put all the blame on Hamilton, and to claim Mariah Reynolds is 100% innocent
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The point is same he was powerful man and she was desperate he should Hve said no and still helped her ... basically like Clinton and monica Lewinsky. Was consensual but there Is a power dynamic with a intern and president . Same goes here
@@tanvi7532 Of course he shouldn't have done it, and maybe she was swayed by his status. My point isn't that Hamilton was in the right, it was that he wasn't the only one in the wrong
Miranda did not intend for this to be anything other than a bald and revelatory example of Alexander Hamilton’s narcissism and sexual compulsivity. It is told from Hamilton’s self pitying and morally evasive point of view, not Mariah’s and certainly not of the “general consensus” as represented by the chorus shouting “No.”
Uhhh...just because something is offered doesn’t make you blameless for accepting it. All he had to do was keep his dick in his pants.
@@museumgirl9 op never said that... But go off I guess
She's not only hilariously right. She can hold a tune. Great short
When Katherine said that Eliza was "The Jane of her time" I thought of Jane Seymour. WHERE ARE MY SIX FANS AT?!!!!!!???!
B-b-but... Maria Reynolds spread her legs and said "Stay"
Hahaha nevermind! I'll go to the one-woman of Hamilton is Katherine does want to do that
Abigail Perlas but she did. So you ruined your whole argument.
@@ejwiksten3770 What
You're right that's exactly in the musical
The invitation does nothing to negate that accepting it is still an abuse of a power imbalance. Yeah, yeah, different times in the 1700's- still doesn't make it right!
Martha E How is it an abuse of power if she deliberately seeks it out? They had no prior relationship.
Lol, she must have drifted off during this part: "She turned red, she led me to her bed
Let her legs spread and said
Stay"
THAT’S WHAT IM SAYING! Like I guess it’s just a joke but it just doesn’t make sense, like she was clearly trying to initiate shit before the chorus ever comes in.
Daniel Morgan I’m with you. I like this comedian and I get that it’s just a joke! But yeah, confusing considering what comes right away next in the play
Keep in mind that the song is from Hamilton’s point of view. We can’t be sure he’s not trying to portray the situation as he wanted it to be to justify it instead of what it actually was.
Still a power imbalance guys!! Same as you don't sleep with someone who's drunk just because they invite you - in that moment there is a power imbalance! This woman is in a powerless situation, and he is doing zilch to help and just using her. So NO an invitation does not make it ok!
Martha E I understand. Thanks for your comment!
"She didn't ask anything."
She asked if he would stay though...
With her legs spread on her own bed.
yeah it’s not like she just walked into the house and he was feeling the urge to sleep with her, the lines before “lord show me how to say no to this” are “she led me to her bed, let her legs spread and said ‘Stay?’” the chorus is in response to the question “Stay?” both times in the song
with her legs spread after leading him to her bed
That's exactly what I thought. It was the woman's idea. He was still horrible to do it, but it's not the way she said it was.
Yeah ok.... there is still a power imbalance... which means it is a line he shouldn't cross.
During this song at the show, I was like “Nope, no, say no, walk away WALK AWAY”. That’s what happens when you don’t listen to the soundtrack or read the synopsis before the show
Hahaha I can't stop laughing at this one, one of the best ones I've seen from her
I want Katherine Ryan to do a whole special on American History. I love her so much.
Oh god I hope she didnt actually yell that in a theater
Victoria Caceres i know it’s just a bit but as a comedian it seems odd to make yourself a heckler in a joke. she was being the exact person who all comedians would hate to have in their crowd. a little ironic.
it. was. a. joke. obviously she didn't yell in a theater because SHE KNOWS how anoying and desrespectful that is
Noah Smith she was obviously joking
Izzie Rose which is why i said “i know it’s a just a bit”
This was so awesome lol. Now I'm about to go down a rabbit hole of watching her videos.
This is hilarious! It's even more funny that people are getting mad at her jokes.
This was GOLD! 👏🏾😂
Returning to this sketch after now actually having seen Hamilton makes it so much better.
Totally
I immediately started paying attention when she mentioned Hamilton 😂
Having both watched Hamilton and having read the inspiring biography to get a better sense of the whole Reynolds situation, Hamilton is 100% the bad guy here. He makes friends with a 23-year-old mentally unstable (you can tell from her letters she had bad mental health issues) lady while he's 34. Mariah tells Hamilton that she's being abused by her husband and, possibly, that she fears for the life of her daughter. They flirt, then have sex. Definitely highly morally questionable on married Mr hamilton's part, but it gets worse, cause this shit wasn't just a one night stand. Hamilton, his wife and kids on a visit to his wife's father, writes to tell them not to come home yet so he can carry on his affair, which lasted for at least a year after Eliza returned. They correspond through letters, in which the obviously mentally ill and emotionally dependent Mariah describes her abuse. Hamilton, having excellent lawyer connections, could easily get Mariah divorced from her husband, but he doesn't bother. He only stops, in fact, when James Reynolds, Mariah's abusive husband, begins extorting Hamilton for money, threatening to expose him. This triggers a whole shit fest of idiocy including notable characters, future president James Monroe for example, but Hamilton eventually decides the best course of action will be to abandon Mariah to her situation then write about the affair in a famous self-expose`, damming both Mariah and his wife Eliza to unfair disgrace and half ruining his career. What a great guy.
I watched this for the first time in March and it is literally the reason why I first searched up Hamilton and became obsessed
Everyone in the comments talking about how in the play "she spread her legs and told him to stay" are missing the fucking point, which is that instead of taking advantage of a desperate woman you should just help her. Just fucking help her.
Honestly, like if that changed anything
THAT MARIA REYNOLDS IMPRESSION-
Hamilton: An American Musical It Is One Of My Most All Time Favourite Musical
First of all, y'all, ABSOLUTELY happened (why he eventually came out with the Reynolds Pamphlet), secondly, even HE realized it was problematic (altho' almost certainly a set-up,), and he certainly COULDA said "No" to that. But he manned up about it, took his lumps, partially lost his country and family's respect, and got into a duel where he died (partly over it). Read the book, y'all. BUT, storywise, ALL heroes need flaws to overcome (according to The Hero's Journey - this is a basic dramatic tool) - this was chosen as his.
If a female said the same thing about a young boy, I am sure you would be more annoyed by it. But when women are still systemically more severely oppressed to this day for simply being women, men are more triggered when something is said about them, despite the fact that they have been significantly less oppressed throughout history for being men.
@@pixelpuff And, agreed, Alanna - it was a shit thing to do (especially to his loving wife). As I stated, he COULDA said "No", but didn't. He most definitely took advantage of the situation, even tho' it seemed planned out (or at the least, perpetuated) by the Reynolds. I do think it was courageous, tho' for him to own it (albeit under pressure to explain away other charges). And, dramatically (since this is really only a musical - not a real life political sex scandal, like some current ones *ahem*), it did make for a huge plot point , and character turn in "Hamilton". That's really what I'm saying.
He had many more flaws than his infidelities.
@Robert First of all, your comment gave me so much life!!!!
@@LamesWivams Truth, Paul. As I'm sure you know, all humans do... BUT he did do a lot to help set this country up for success, too. (I believe way more on the upside.) But I guess I was saying "For the sake of this FICTIONized musical theatre piece, Infidelity was chosen as his hubric downfall, because it's SO much sexier to sing about in an R&B song than "perceived embezzlement/financial corruption". (Now I think I'm gonna hafta write THAT song! 😁) Anybody agree?
Ms. Ryan, if you so desire, come play in the fandom some time. We mock Alex for... well, a lot of things, but that includes Suddenly Being Unable To Say No. We also have sing alongs. Your mileage may vary regarding any of our fanfiction.
He said no to his family just 5 seconds earlier in the play. Once to his wife and to his dearest Angelica
Fun fact- she asked Lin Manuel Miranda permission time do this bit and he agreed. 😂
To everyone saying that Hamilton didn't start singing "I don't know how to say no this" until after the verse “let her legs spread and said 'stay'”... Let's also remember this is Hamilton's version of it. As much as I don't find Katherine's comedy very funny in this sketch, it's also poignant to remember we know the guy's version of the story, not Maria's. And I think Lin did that on purpose when we have other characters (Angelica, Burr, Eliza) narrating from their POV aside from Hamilton.
And this is exactly why Burr says, "I'll let him tell it", so that you're aware that this might not actually be what happened.
@@justmydeals precisely!
But then there's also the chance it happened the way hamilton told it so lets not point any fingers yet
I just love the thought of people in the audience not having seen Hamilton yet and just being like "what is happening?" when she starts singing 🤣🤣
Best top ever.🤩 Where do I get it?