Two giants of science and philosophy. Add Bernardo Kastrup and there is the triumvirate of non-dualism. I wish I could express these concepts as eloquently and insightfully as they do. Given how well their arguments hang together I find it astonishing that anyone can be a materialist. Perhaps it's worth getting Anil Seth on to quiz him about how he can still hang onto the idea that consciousness is formed in the brain.
Another great video, Simon-thank you! I’ve found your content really helpful on my own journey. I’m a 60-year-old midwife, also trained as a nurse and evangelical pastor. My faith path has taken me through materialism, Buddhism, and now non-duality. I train birth professionals to support the 200,000 women each year who perceive their birth experience as traumatic. My work blends a non-dual perspective with Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). I’d love to chat sometime-though I know you're probably super busy! Just thought I’d ask.
@@IAmSimonMundie thanks. I was wondering, who have you found “most” helpful in this regard please? It was Krishnamurti who effectively broke me from my conditioned mind but I did find Spira’s commentary here to be very good. Are you aware of any other helpful sources please? I’m also aware of not seeking - much like Krishnamurti not wanting to be a leader :). Hope this makes sense :)
@@iMilhouse It does make sense. I like the book 'Happiness Beyond Thought' by Gary Webber, that could be of interest. In terms of seeking, I think an impulse for answers needs to be heeded, even if it eventually reveals itself to have been the obstacle all along!
Reasoning this through, why would it matter? If consciousness is fundamental, we do not experience any awareness of a greater consciousness than our own individual one. We only reason it to be there. But in our individual lives, our consciousness emerges through our thoughts and perceptions. Buddha. "All that we are is the result of what we have thought. It is founded on our thoughts, it is based in our thoughts." So if we exist from a pool of larger universal consciousness, we have no mental connection with it as a human experiencing this life. We cannot be aware of it. The best we can do is get to our higher awareness. That exists outside of our physical experiences. It experiences life without feeling the emotional hurt from unresolved memories. But that's as far as we can go. And from our higher awareness, we are still stuck inside of our own mind. We can't get into each others thoughts. We don't visit distant stars.
The truth is there is no consciousness. There is only that which this labels as awareness and the present moment. What am I the awareness, aware of? I am aware of the formless aspect of I the awareness. This gives rise to the illusion of consciousness. But the formless aspect of awareness is awareness? So am I aware that I am aware? No. I am awareness. There is only awareness now. This is why form is the presentation and the illusion of there being an answer to be found, yet says nothing other than being. But the truth is there is only that which is labelled as awareness. I am that I am. Form presents the truth of the formless aspect of awareness as change. But there is no form. There is only that which form labels as awareness. And there is no formless aspect because this is awareness. The process of looking for the one that is looking is the illusion that is consciousness. Because it presents that the looker is aware of looking and that there must be a looker to be looked for. When in truth the looking is all that is real. There is no looker, only the looking is real. To not realise this truth is why one is looking at mad scientists who are looking for answer and answer. Again, it is only the looking that is real.
Reality is everywhere all around, but most are unaware of it and few who know it cannot say, not because it is non explainable but the lack of understanding temperament of the receiver person in front, if the receiver and giver both are compatible, transfer of understanding reality is instant
Space-time not being fundamental makes me feel that life means nothing. Life in this universe is a waste of time. I have always felt that. We must know the nature of reality if we want to live life in full. What will it give us if physicists find structures beyond space-time? Will we ever be able to live a life according to what comes before time and space? Life on Earth is miserable. Wars, death, destruction, etc… and then what?
Every measurement done by scientists, even with the most advanced technology, are done with by the observer also. Therefore, experts in meditation who study the observer are making observations that could be equally qualified to contribute to the study of reality depending on the relevance either the physical or mental, not on qualification. IOW, since the mind is always apart of scientific observation the study of mind is qualified, and this being true means that it's a question of relevance; and they could be relevant in any proportion.
Mjeritelj utiče na rezultat mjerenja. Ako mjeriš jeftinim metrom proizvedenim u Kini 1 metar može u stvarnosti biti 95 centimetara ili 110 centimetara. Ali nikada neče biti 100 centimetara.
Yaeh, You're right, Spira know that We is Eternal, he had the experience, it is actually the Most Simple Fact, You know or You dont know, but he rest on it, and it become too emotional, and he needs to seriously study. Hoffmann is compromise-less Logical, he gradually climbs up, step by step, he's Not sleeping, but studying. and Simon is somehow in-between.
Not even the monds theory lazy light methusela equation can save the fact that young metaless nebula sat idly by without collapse while fully seeded heavy element mature galaxy neighbors surrounding them all mixed in all throughout as far back as we can see. If anything cmb background is those youngest peekaboo blue, green & red dot galaxy coming online like multi galaxy verses fireworks. Or the milkyway matured galaxies that appear to be greater in volume. You gotta pick one or the other with time. Obviously morphologically entropic decay gives the best rational alignment with a passing phase not earth going around the sun . And not let there be light ✨️ after the fact of emerging energetic actors to do so this white noise snow on our tvs coming in through the spectrum of wavelength is filled with every star or explosion of light ever produced and is only good in astronomy that has no thing to do with time itself. It make no measurable meaning to say feilds or waves are young old or aged at all. Irrelevant nonsensical miss aligned perception management and understanding about reality itself. On par with claims that vacuum of space nothingness Is not an object when it is as real as anything physical we know of. This is individuals miss aligned measure 2/3 archetypical minds unable to mirror the universe back to order because prenticious clocklike view y axis eyes & secret hidden dogma within rule them. Same thing allowed German evolutionary mythology to be used how they did vs how usa uk did it when it's the same expression used by assyrians but excersized differently. Calendar counting time manmade God inspired trips around the sun echos the universe in plagerized correlated prescribed back upon the universe.
@@thebaryonacousticoscillati5679 material sciences all theoretical Based on the idea of give us one small miracle and we will fill in the rest. This is a precarious perch at best
But the mind with its so called faculty's of thought and perception all require a physical faculty and that physical faculty implements those tools of mind, thoughts and perception and consciousness for a purpose and that purpose is for awareness for the physical source Form within survival and to evolve it's host the biological physical body and brain. And still Reality couldn't less about all that. Here we have a so called teacher who requires science to justify consciousness is the be all end all. This so called teacher would believe that in reality, when something mixes or fuses, it was consciousness that caused the mix or fusion. Like an example of something big occurring such as lets say the world forming ( or any planet), the so called teacher believes that consciousness formed the world or when matter fuses, consciousness caused that, or nuclear fusion was caused by consciousness or when lightening occurs, consciousness caused that. And that is because so called teachers have no clue how the random events of formulae of matter that mix or fuse cause an end result purpose for only its life span. And random means " done without conscious decision.
Well, he had a view of it like many do/did/will. But there's really no debate here: these subject areas are manufactured and false so if Spiro was truly enlightened he wouldn't be bothered to say anything about it. I think if he'd been a Zen monk he would have a lot of bruises, lol.
Are you familiar with Max Planck - the nobel prize winning Physicist? Here's a quote of his that you may be unfamiliar with: "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."
Hoffman and Spira are ahead of the curve. Men of the future.
Nah...
I am a big fan of these two giants .I extremely happy to see them both. Thanks for presenting them. Love you rupert❤. Love you doneld❤🎉
Two giants of science and philosophy. Add Bernardo Kastrup and there is the triumvirate of non-dualism. I wish I could express these concepts as eloquently and insightfully as they do. Given how well their arguments hang together I find it astonishing that anyone can be a materialist. Perhaps it's worth getting Anil Seth on to quiz him about how he can still hang onto the idea that consciousness is formed in the brain.
Donald Hoffman is my hero he is a pioneer that isn't afraid to test NEW ideas 💪
Another great video, Simon-thank you! I’ve found your content really helpful on my own journey. I’m a 60-year-old midwife, also trained as a nurse and evangelical pastor. My faith path has taken me through materialism, Buddhism, and now non-duality. I train birth professionals to support the 200,000 women each year who perceive their birth experience as traumatic. My work blends a non-dual perspective with Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). I’d love to chat sometime-though I know you're probably super busy! Just thought I’d ask.
Yes. Hard problem of matter.
Both say, life, the nature of reality takes time. I simply agree without explanation. Thanks. 🕺🏼
The teachings of Jiddu Krishnamurti are also helpful and seem to align with Rupert Spira here :)
Agreed
@@IAmSimonMundie thanks. I was wondering, who have you found “most” helpful in this regard please? It was Krishnamurti who effectively broke me from my conditioned mind but I did find Spira’s commentary here to be very good. Are you aware of any other helpful sources please? I’m also aware of not seeking - much like Krishnamurti not wanting to be a leader :). Hope this makes sense :)
@@iMilhouse It does make sense. I like the book 'Happiness Beyond Thought' by Gary Webber, that could be of interest. In terms of seeking, I think an impulse for answers needs to be heeded, even if it eventually reveals itself to have been the obstacle all along!
@@IAmSimonMundie brilliant, thank you :)
@@iMilhouse Pleasure. Rupert is great too!
Even if our faculties of mind can't know reality...we must invent technologies to know what is beyond space-time.
And that involves using our minds.
Very Excellent 🙏🌟🙏
Reasoning this through, why would it matter? If consciousness is fundamental, we do not experience any awareness of a greater consciousness than our own individual one. We only reason it to be there. But in our individual lives, our consciousness emerges through our thoughts and perceptions. Buddha. "All that we are is the result of what we have thought. It is founded on our thoughts, it is based in our thoughts." So if we exist from a pool of larger universal consciousness, we have no mental connection with it as a human experiencing this life. We cannot be aware of it. The best we can do is get to our higher awareness. That exists outside of our physical experiences. It experiences life without feeling the emotional hurt from unresolved memories. But that's as far as we can go. And from our higher awareness, we are still stuck inside of our own mind. We can't get into each others thoughts. We don't visit distant stars.
All brains appears within consciusnes if you ever see what is meant by that need to access other minds would not arise
The truth is there is no consciousness. There is only that which this labels as awareness and the present moment. What am I the awareness, aware of? I am aware of the formless aspect of I the awareness. This gives rise to the illusion of consciousness. But the formless aspect of awareness is awareness? So am I aware that I am aware? No. I am awareness. There is only awareness now. This is why form is the presentation and the illusion of there being an answer to be found, yet says nothing other than being. But the truth is there is only that which is labelled as awareness. I am that I am.
Form presents the truth of the formless aspect of awareness as change. But there is no form. There is only that which form labels as awareness. And there is no formless aspect because this is awareness.
The process of looking for the one that is looking is the illusion that is consciousness. Because it presents that the looker is aware of looking and that there must be a looker to be looked for. When in truth the looking is all that is real. There is no looker, only the looking is real. To not realise this truth is why one is looking at mad scientists who are looking for answer and answer. Again, it is only the looking that is real.
I like this. However, consciousness is just a word. I use it as a synonym for awareness. Having clarified that - I agree with everything you say!
Reality is everywhere all around, but most are unaware of it and few who know it cannot say, not because it is non explainable but the lack of understanding temperament of the receiver person in front, if the receiver and giver both are compatible, transfer of understanding reality is instant
Space-time not being fundamental makes me feel that life means nothing. Life in this universe is a waste of time. I have always felt that. We must know the nature of reality if we want to live life in full.
What will it give us if physicists find structures beyond space-time? Will we ever be able to live a life according to what comes before time and space?
Life on Earth is miserable. Wars, death, destruction, etc… and then what?
You'll never know reality through the faculties of your mind, and you'll never know reality outside the faculties of your mind. Good luck!
"God alone suffices" St terese of Avila.
I'm surprised no one here is talking about Tom Campbell's work.
Every measurement done by scientists, even with the most advanced technology, are done with by the observer also. Therefore, experts in meditation who study the observer are making observations that could be equally qualified to contribute to the study of reality depending on the relevance either the physical or mental, not on qualification. IOW, since the mind is always apart of scientific observation the study of mind is qualified, and this being true means that it's a question of relevance; and they could be relevant in any proportion.
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Mjeritelj utiče na rezultat mjerenja.
Ako mjeriš jeftinim metrom proizvedenim u Kini 1 metar može u stvarnosti biti 95 centimetara ili 110 centimetara.
Ali nikada neče biti 100 centimetara.
Great but it was really out of sync! Difficult to watch 😊
Yaeh, You're right,
Spira know that We is Eternal, he had the experience,
it is actually the Most Simple Fact,
You know or You dont know,
but he rest on it, and it become too emotional,
and he needs to seriously study.
Hoffmann is compromise-less Logical,
he gradually climbs up, step by step,
he's Not sleeping, but studying.
and Simon is somehow in-between.
Sorry about that
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Not even the monds theory lazy light methusela equation can save the fact that young metaless nebula sat idly by without collapse while fully seeded heavy element mature galaxy neighbors surrounding them all mixed in all throughout as far back as we can see.
If anything cmb background is those youngest peekaboo blue, green & red dot galaxy coming online like multi galaxy verses fireworks.
Or the milkyway matured galaxies that appear to be greater in volume.
You gotta pick one or the other with time.
Obviously morphologically entropic decay gives the best rational alignment with a passing phase not earth going around the sun .
And not let there be light ✨️ after the fact of emerging energetic actors to do so this white noise snow on our tvs coming in through the spectrum of wavelength is filled with every star or explosion of light ever produced and is only good in astronomy that has no thing to do with time itself.
It make no measurable meaning to say feilds or waves are young old or aged at all. Irrelevant nonsensical miss aligned perception management and understanding about reality itself.
On par with claims that vacuum of space nothingness Is not an object when it is as real as anything physical we know of. This is individuals miss aligned measure 2/3 archetypical minds unable to mirror the universe back to order because prenticious clocklike view y axis eyes & secret hidden dogma within rule them. Same thing allowed German evolutionary mythology to be used how they did vs how usa uk did it when it's the same expression used by assyrians but excersized differently.
Calendar counting time manmade God inspired trips around the sun echos the universe in plagerized correlated prescribed back upon the universe.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Comparing material sciences to flat earth ideology,
Chuckle for the day ❤
Yeah, well, their hubris seems to know no bounds...
@@thebaryonacousticoscillati5679 material sciences all theoretical
Based on the idea of give us one small miracle and we will fill in the rest.
This is a precarious perch at best
But the mind with its so called faculty's of thought and perception all require a physical faculty and that physical faculty implements those tools of mind, thoughts and perception and consciousness for a purpose and that purpose is for awareness for the physical source Form within survival and to evolve it's host the biological physical body and brain. And still Reality couldn't less about all that.
Here we have a so called teacher who requires science to justify consciousness is the be all end all.
This so called teacher would believe that in reality, when something mixes or fuses, it was consciousness that caused the mix or fusion.
Like an example of something big occurring such as lets say the world forming ( or any planet), the so called teacher believes that consciousness formed the world or when matter fuses, consciousness caused that, or nuclear fusion was caused by consciousness or when lightening occurs, consciousness caused that. And that is because so called teachers have no clue how the random events of formulae of matter that mix or fuse cause an end result purpose for only its life span. And random means " done without conscious decision.
İbn Arabi explains it 900 years ago.
Well, he had a view of it like many do/did/will. But there's really no debate here: these subject areas are manufactured and false so if Spiro was truly enlightened he wouldn't be bothered to say anything about it. I think if he'd been a Zen monk he would have a lot of bruises, lol.
yawn..still hypothesizing.
... right
Coniousness is fundamental😂😂😂 what a clown
Are you familiar with Max Planck - the nobel prize winning Physicist?
Here's a quote of his that you may be unfamiliar with: "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."
Do you even know what is meant by cobsciusness try some meditation