I think you just saved my life. I was in the midst of designing a kayak with a wave-piercing tumblehome hull design, but live along a river. My thoughts were designing it to pierce through some whitewater but now see that might be foolhardy and deadly. I am so glad you are open, honest and humble and stated that pricing the wave seldom worked for you because that was my mindset too. As I said, I think you just saved my life. (Note: I worked on the hull of the USS Zumwalt and other sister ships and why I have a fondness for the wave-piercing tumblehome hull shape).
I think the Germans got it right with the Yukon Expedition when it comes to the bow for river touring . It goes over the wave not threw it. It allows more water to pass under the boat . I need one of them shirts you have on. Great video
13 years ago I received direct permission from Matt Broze to create the first versions of my F1 from their coaster. The design has evolved quite a bit since then but mariner concepts have heavily influenced my thinking over the years. In recent years others have followed suit but as far as I know I’m the only one who ever asked permission or gives any credit to the massive contributions the Broze brothers have made to kayak design evolution.
@@capefalconkayak Most kayak designers will never understand what made Mariners better. They think symmetry but try adding asymmetric design ideas piecemeal. Apples and oranges. You get it, asym profile with softer chines up front transitioning to harder chines in back to balance volume and tracking as a design whole. Brilliant. Thanks for the videos.
richard lake Right right, it’s an incredibly challenging thing to get right. When I moved from the first generation which was just the closest copy I could make to wanting to make performance changes and also make the design scalable I ran into a solid years worth of Proto types that didn’t work even though they looked superficially almost exactly the same. There’s a few key variables that have to stay within super tight tolerances or the whole thing falls apart, and the hull balance needs to be right to within an inch. Nothing else in the sea kayak world is anywhere near this fussy. It took a long time to figure out how to incorporate the concepts without losing the magic.
I would like to build a kayak or canoe to use for hunting. I would use it to access remote areas on lakes and streams, and if the hunt is successful to haul out game as large as whitetail deer. The ability to bring along a second hunter would be a bonus feature. With very little paddling experience, use on white water would be unlikely any time soon. Do you have any recommendations for hull design for that kind of use?
Skin on frame has the benefit of being quiet. Both canoe and kayak. Hunting flow would significantly change the kayak or canoe characteristics that would be valuable. Gun vs bow vs spear Game Terrain Trip length Skill level Not sure I know where to start in extant boats but your pursuit would benefit for reading some of the classic texts from Harvey Golden and others that catalog the kayaks. Also, talk to indigenous hunters of Canada, Alaska and Greenland, they have the oral culture of boat hunting and also many do hunt this way to this day.
I think you just saved my life. I was in the midst of designing a kayak with a wave-piercing tumblehome hull design, but live along a river. My thoughts were designing it to pierce through some whitewater but now see that might be foolhardy and deadly. I am so glad you are open, honest and humble and stated that pricing the wave seldom worked for you because that was my mindset too. As I said, I think you just saved my life. (Note: I worked on the hull of the USS Zumwalt and other sister ships and why I have a fondness for the wave-piercing tumblehome hull shape).
I think the Germans got it right with the Yukon Expedition when it comes to the bow for river touring . It goes over the wave not threw it. It allows more water to pass under the boat . I need one of them shirts you have on. Great video
well done, tons of great info. thanks!
Second drawing set mimics Mariner kayak design in their Coaster. Great minds think alike.
13 years ago I received direct permission from Matt Broze to create the first versions of my F1 from their coaster. The design has evolved quite a bit since then but mariner concepts have heavily influenced my thinking over the years. In recent years others have followed suit but as far as I know I’m the only one who ever asked permission or gives any credit to the massive contributions the Broze brothers have made to kayak design evolution.
@@capefalconkayak Most kayak designers will never understand what made Mariners better. They think symmetry but try adding asymmetric design ideas piecemeal. Apples and oranges. You get it, asym profile with softer chines up front transitioning to harder chines in back to balance volume and tracking as a design whole. Brilliant. Thanks for the videos.
richard lake Right right, it’s an incredibly challenging thing to get right. When I moved from the first generation which was just the closest copy I could make to wanting to make performance changes and also make the design scalable I ran into a solid years worth of Proto types that didn’t work even though they looked superficially almost exactly the same. There’s a few key variables that have to stay within super tight tolerances or the whole thing falls apart, and the hull balance needs to be right to within an inch. Nothing else in the sea kayak world is anywhere near this fussy. It took a long time to figure out how to incorporate the concepts without losing the magic.
@@richardlake5459 nice! not sure why so few people notice this, though Brian for sure has spent 100s of boats investigating the details
Love it, thanks!
1:28 with the exception of the Dagger designs What do you mean? How is Dagger unique?
I would like to build a kayak or canoe to use for hunting. I would use it to access remote areas on lakes and streams, and if the hunt is successful to haul out game as large as whitetail deer. The ability to bring along a second hunter would be a bonus feature. With very little paddling experience, use on white water would be unlikely any time soon. Do you have any recommendations for hull design for that kind of use?
Skin on frame has the benefit of being quiet. Both canoe and kayak.
Hunting flow would significantly change the kayak or canoe characteristics that would be valuable.
Gun vs bow vs spear
Game
Terrain
Trip length
Skill level
Not sure I know where to start in extant boats but your pursuit would benefit for reading some of the classic texts from Harvey Golden and others that catalog the kayaks. Also, talk to indigenous hunters of Canada, Alaska and Greenland, they have the oral culture of boat hunting and also many do hunt this way to this day.
get a canoe just any one will do so
may a GFK built one, it´s less maintenance easier to repair and you can just drag in on shore
tell about deep V bottom kayak (like Barracuda), please!
Excellent video thanks 🙏🙏
I'd like to see a cross section or two to better understand the hull shape.
It’s a prog rock