Ethan can be controversial but he’s still always more respectable than most and I will always watch them. The whole crew has been what makes my day watching h3 more enjoyable now too. Been watching since I was a young kid and I really hope they get the money they deserve.☺️
I think the point is that he makes content out of his lawsuits. Which I’m glad he and his audience find it entertaining, but it leaves a bad taste in mine and other peoples mouths.
@@alexisc3658 he is the one getting sued for frivolous reasons and talks about its unfairness from his point of view to his audience instead of being miserable and depressed and on top of that losing thousands and thousands of dollars. I don’t understand how any of that should ‘leave a bad taste in your mouth’ or anyone else’s.
@@eclipse8482 he’s free to do whatever he wants and you can watch whatever you want. But discussing and monetizing lawsuits, even if they are your own, is generally a bad business decision. I would never work with someone who talks about their business in the way H3 does and it makes me uncomfortable to watch.
I don't usually watch your podcast but I love how both Cristine and Hila created a business they're super passionate about with its own merit. I feel like you have similar vibes giving a really down to earth impression
Since I'm not a livestream lover I really appreciate these podcasts. I like how you all can be fun and a little silly but also intelligent and mature at the same time. It's quite a unique combination that I haven't found anywhere else on TH-cam. Thank you.
Really niche, but I find Dear Shandy (also on TH-cam) to be sort of similar. Two educated people with day jobs. However the content is not high brow, though their approach is (relationship and reality TV podcast). Jenna and Julien's podcast is still up and available too, though it leans more silly.
If he’s looking for recommendations from Canadian creators he should probably reach out to Linus Tech Tips, who operates his business out of BC. I’m pretty confident he needs representation not just in Canada but specifically in British Columbia.
Oh yes! I couldn't watch during Frenemies too, and now it is better then ever. Crew members shine more, intresting guests, greate segments and deep H3 lore 👌👌👌
I'm part of that overlap in audiences and when Ben mentioned this topic on the baking stream I was really interested in knowing you guys' about it. I'm glad you're talking about this so soon!
To be fair, I don’t think the company was willing to negotiate at all and Ethan realized that. They were very clear in the call that he wasn’t getting any of that money back. They were just afraid of the bad press and wanted to muzzle him (imo).
The thing that I hate about the phone call between H3 and BBTV was the representative guy from the BBTV had the audacity to gaslighting Ethan and Hila by saying that it's their fault for not checking the money sooner. It's like catching a thief in the act but the thief saying it's your fault for not locking the door. Basically they saw the chance, took it, and said nothing about it until they got caught. Also, if you guys knew any good Canadian lawyers, H3 needs the help lol
I KNEW you two were part of the Family. I’ve heard you guys use a few Zack soundbites and have always wondered if it was a coincidence or not. Overlap fan here 👋
Way back in the day, when simply was still small, Ethan (on h3h3production ) showed a tweet Simply did to him. I wish I remember what it was but I always found it so cool that they’ve been fupa troopas for a while.
I believe that Ethan mentioned in his weekend videos that he was only able to find the discrepancy in memberships when comparing the BBTV monthly statement against TH-cam's back end.
I never really comment so im more of a silent watcher, but i wanted to say that i truly do appreciate these podcasts. They're so fun to listen to, and i feel more motivated to do household chores and relax with hobbies when i listen. This podcast is my comfort podcast, and im so glad you're both continuing with making episodes :)
This was super interesting! I know these types of videos might not get as many views as AITA etc., but honestly THIS is the kind of content I subscribe for.
👈 Crossover audience member. Also I didn't start watching because of Simply. I started watching because I love y’alls dynamic together. I never even heard of Christine until she collabed with Hasan, then found yalls podcast channel!
Not only is there overlap but lots of us recommend they have you on the show. I remember when they mentioned the freedom convoy we all suggested they talk to you guys about it for more context.
With respect to channel memberships, I think we agree, it is very difficult to interpret those at not falling under the definition of Google subscriptions, even if that definition was very much written to describe what was TH-cam Red at the time. But there is other gray area, like super-chats, which almost certainly fall under the definition of other net revenue.
@@Bentendoregardless there’s no grey area. Super chats are apart of the Google subscriptions you can’t super chat unless you’re a member. The “third party” had no part in the super chat being paid to H3 from GOOGLE.
@@Bentendo fair enough. But I think the biggest issue/ revenue source here is the membership payments. Which very clearly fits into the “google subscription” definition. No need to go out of the four corners of the contract because that definition fits so spot on. BBTV is being super bad faith there it’s pretty infuriating
@@gl96However if SuperChat one off donations (which don't require membership) fall under a different category, this may have mislead admin staff to apply that category to YT memberships instead of recognizing those are the "subscription" contract category .
No, he's suing them for the principle! Ethan is not afraid to stand up to bullies and hold his own because ultimately he's a very principled and good hearted man
I know Ethan isn't innocent and has said and done some things I haven't agreed with *but* he and his wife have always seemed like genuinely good people. I haven't watched them in forever so glad I have this to catch me up on what is going on 😂
People always say that but like literally what has he said? Show me a clip. What has he done that was so horrendous that people keep saying stuff like that?? He's just held criminals accountable and their fans lost their minds
@@rinmori3982 theres a reason h3 bought a $20,000 Air Cleaner button because they know Ethan says some pretty offensive stuff. He has said before that he finds "all Indian people goofy." He also said he would be more scared of a black security guard than a white one. And recently his comments about top/bottoms in the gay community were just homophobic, plus he seems confused about trans people so he constantly makes jokes that people find horrendous. Which is why it should be no mystery to why people hate ethan
@@Iminsideyourwall_ lol i swear im not schizo posting, im just a fan of h3 and ive seen all these clips before, and the links? i dont know look up some hate video on them
overlap here too haha!! i appreciate bens opinion and enjoyed the whole podcast, but i do disagree in the sense that ethan sues for content, most of the time its him being sued. also i feel like the ''it leaves a bad taste in peoples mouth'' or ''makes companies not wanna work with him'' (which i cant remember if ben said that but i saw that in the comments) is kind of a moo point since its not like he outs companies who work well with them, h3 seem very nice and supportive of all their employees and other collaborators and speak kindly of them. if you dont act shitty you dont get ethans bad side which i think is fair to anyone! you reap what you sow lmao and i think he's extremely smart when it comes to creating content out of the struggles he has in life whether its clashing with other creators or this type of stuff, he's definitely in his perfect field of work i think, i dont know who else would make reading a boring ass legal contract as entertaining to watch as ethan klein
Hearing you talk about contracts really makes me want to know your opinions on vtubers, and the difference between big corpos, small corpos, and indie vtubers
But to sign up with some company for years to come over a possibility of it taking two weeks is very dumb. Most of us have been in situations where we’ve not had a paycheck for a longer time than that. I think they were young and dumb and got taken advantage of
@@bish_puddin I don’t disagree that people have struggled for longer I was just noting that it wasn’t from a perspective financially of where they are now. Also still doesn’t justify what the company is doing which I believe is against their own contracts terms.
As a person who has youtube Premium, and has had it since youtube red... I technically had a Google Play subscription at that time and it included youtube Red. With that I had unlimited acces access to google podcasts, Google play music (which is now youtube music), and youtube red - add free yt and premium creator content. At some point the name switched and it automatically changed to a "youtube premium" acct.. I did not have to sign up again/separately. I still have all the same content as I had when ethans contract was written. I also have had individual subscriptions to different youtubers (specifically cristine and emily d baker) and those are charged separately of my youtube premium account. They are called channel subscriptions and in my mind... I clasify that very differently than my Google subscription(now called youtube premium) What i heard described in Ethans contract sounds like it would cover my youtube premium but i dont think the verbiage in the contract sounds like it should cover individual subs to specific creators.
Im assuming the views from people with YT premium is a separate chunk of a creators YT earnings. My guess is the MCN was hoping to bank off of a massive increase in people wanting to have YT premium subscriptions... but unfortunately YT premium creator content didn't have the pull that Google hoped it would in gaining subscribers.
I haven't seen the Tetris movie but there's a channel called Gaming Historian that did a good video about the history of the licensing of the Tetris game.
I couldn't agree more that this was a bad faith move on BBTV's part, and completely inconsistent with the spirit of the contract. There should have been an amendment to the contract to incorporate material changes... Also seems very obvious that memberships are a subscription. Ethan has gone full Goblin mode, and I am here for it.
English isn’t my first language and I’m not very educated on a lot of things so I understood about 10% of what was spoken here but I love listening to y’all being smart and using big words cuz it helps me a lot💕
It's unfair to characterize Ethan as "suing for content" -- he is ALWAYS the defendant. If he files a complaint against BBTV, it would be his first time as the plaintiff. Also, Ethan has always been sued (in my OPINION) for frivolous, anti-democratic reasons -- copyright infringement when commentary obviously qualifies as fair use; and defamation when he's simply referencing lawsuits and journalism. He is well within his bounds to clown on the people suing him. If anything, his lawsuits have been helpful as reference for other creators who might be facing similar (in MY OPINION) harassment and anti-participatory and anti-free speech intimidation tactics.
It sounds like the subscriptions should have been solely the creators money based on that contract. It doesn’t fall in the “other” category. It is clearly a Google net revenue.
pfffffft... i think theres probably a pretty big crossover 😁 im a fan of both! its great that bigger content creators are covering this now because it has been happening to people who cant fight back. ben got it a bit wrong about ethan suing for content, hes never sued anyone before. weirdos have tried to sue them over nothing though and h3 set a huge legal precedent when it came to fair use on youtube back in the day. id love if you guys and h3 ever did a collab or if you got on their pod. i think it would be fun. i agree with ben that it was pretty crazy during frenemies but things are so much nicer now without trisha.
Giving up monetization rights reminds me of when I used to work for IT managed services and our clients would just have us register and manage their domain name and DNS records.
i feel like this lawsuit/situation specifically was important for ethan to make public. mostly considering that the money they are taking is money the viewers are choosing to give to H3, not just passive viewers who generate ad revenue. but people who are specifically choosing to give money every month to support the creator/crew. as a member of H3, i appreciate the transparency on where my money was actually going. and it’s very frustrating to learn that a portion of my monthly payment is going to a bad faith company who made no effort to generate an additional agreement on this new source of income (memberships). i also feel ethan’s use of his platform to show the inner workings of lawsuits helps especially small creators to show that they have legal standing. that they don’t have to take bullying from big corporations lying down. not to mention how many smaller creators would never have known bbtv was doing this to their channels had ethan not made this information public. all in all, i will always appreciate ethan’s transparency whether i agree with him or not.
I'm a huge Tetris fan & watch the CTWC each year, so I really liked the movie! ❤ But I understand completely what you mean about how over-dramatised it was. Honestly, I would've enjoyed it just as much without all the fluff & if we were just given the straight facts. 😊
I actually discovered H3H3 because of Ben back before they were famous. Ben mention them for something don’t recall I looked them up and I became a fan. Back when they lived in New York in a small “apartment”
Ben has introduced me to some really great TH-camrs practically since this podcast began! The first rec. was wayyy back in an early ep: *Drew Gooden* - and I absolutely love his videos!
@@becauseimafan yeah me too, Christine and Ben have help me find so many good ones. I always loved Bens apareces in Christine’s channel im glad they made this podcast
Ethan can do whatever he wants but if he wanted to get the money back it probably would have been smarter to pressure them privately. If the threat of a lawsuit didn’t change anything I totally understand using your platform to advocate for yourself.
@@Bentendo that makes sense. I suppose it is usually suggested to be as quiet as possible during a lawsuit. I am glad others who might be in the same situation are being notified to check their payments from this company. And I do love the drama of sticking it to the corporate world lol
Yeah, it’s not to suggest that H3 are responsible for making sure their business partner isn’t stealing from them, but if it was clearly disclosed that first month they turned on memberships they could have claimed breach and resolved this without hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line.
FAMILY! I really don’t know if i totally agree with the idea that ethan is doing this for content. I think he sees this as someone else trying to take advantage of another “dumb youtuber”. He’s always voiced how malicious MCNs are because he has seen what they do to other creators. He didn’t see this coming for him bc the contract is clear and the membership money is not fair ground for BBTV. Maybe it’s not the SMARTEST move to go joker mode, but he’s emulating exactly how all the other creators felt when they were screwed over. The others coming forward saying how they were taken advantage of is definitely fuel for this fire. Ethan’s about standing up for what’s right and this is the ethan way of doing it. Anyways, cue the soundboard- what are we gonna do about it
Ben’s assessment that is is for content was the finale to his consistent need to find blame onto Ethan and Hila through this whole podcast. He’s trying to add nuance where there just wasn’t. Even Christine said “Is there any grey area?” to him reaching at straws over the contracts.
All contracts are sketchy with fine print (esp loans). You have to read/learn and be your own advocate. Glad you guys nvr signed because you guys managed to evolve (though I miss old Simply antics), create the podcast/stream, and ofc HT. MCNs don't survived long term and most of those content creators c. 2013-16 are rarely on YT anymore unless they regained controll. The ones who benefit the most are the C level of the MCN. Tetris showed how tech evolving made media law more difficult. Would've wanted to see the closed door lawsuit too NYT had an article about ebooks and how publishers can revise content whenever because you don't own the purchase.
overlap audience right here 🙋♀️
Reporting in 🫡
Fupa troopers unite
Samesies
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Present!
51:19 I miss the “apologies to So and So, we were going to have them on the podcast, but we ran out of time“ line
Me too
Apologies to Eva Gutowski, we were supposed to have her on but we ran out of time.
Apologies to Terry Joe ✝️
@@Bentendoso appreciated 🥹🫡
Apologies to Hugh Mungus
I am the overlapping audience who watches both Simply and H3
And Emily D Baker, Safiya Nygaard and Hasan Piker
FAMILY
@@Intazmamg yassss!!! Hello fellow foopa troopa, hasanbi head, and fiend!!
me toooooooo
exactly! been a fan of both for over 5 years!
Ethan can be controversial but he’s still always more respectable than most and I will always watch them. The whole crew has been what makes my day watching h3 more enjoyable now too. Been watching since I was a young kid and I really hope they get the money they deserve.☺️
He's a man of his principles. Crew makes H3pod awesome, sometimes Ethan irritates me.
Well, Ben is wrong in saying Ethan sues for content. This will be the first time he sues someone, it's always Ethan getting sued 😂 (and winning)
Exactly lol
Literally
I think the point is that he makes content out of his lawsuits. Which I’m glad he and his audience find it entertaining, but it leaves a bad taste in mine and other peoples mouths.
@@alexisc3658 he is the one getting sued for frivolous reasons and talks about its unfairness from his point of view to his audience instead of being miserable and depressed and on top of that losing thousands and thousands of dollars. I don’t understand how any of that should ‘leave a bad taste in your mouth’ or anyone else’s.
@@eclipse8482 he’s free to do whatever he wants and you can watch whatever you want. But discussing and monetizing lawsuits, even if they are your own, is generally a bad business decision. I would never work with someone who talks about their business in the way H3 does and it makes me uncomfortable to watch.
I don't usually watch your podcast but I love how both Cristine and Hila created a business they're super passionate about with its own merit. I feel like you have similar vibes giving a really down to earth impression
I know it's parasocial but I have alesys thought Hila and Cris would be friends
Yes, Hila and Cristin creating thriving companies from their passion is inspirational for me as a fellow shy intriverted woman
@@makiya_hughes I agree lok
Since I'm not a livestream lover I really appreciate these podcasts. I like how you all can be fun and a little silly but also intelligent and mature at the same time. It's quite a unique combination that I haven't found anywhere else on TH-cam. Thank you.
Really niche, but I find Dear Shandy (also on TH-cam) to be sort of similar. Two educated people with day jobs. However the content is not high brow, though their approach is (relationship and reality TV podcast). Jenna and Julien's podcast is still up and available too, though it leans more silly.
We’re going to need to see a HoloTaco X Teddy Fresh collab
I feel Teddy Fresh can do something to fulfill Cristine's passion towards holo stuffs too
I never buy any TH-camr products, but holy fuck, if they came out with that, I’d buy the shit out of that!
Yes please
Ethan should reach out to you for Canadian lawyers recommendation 😉
Yes! Please recommend someone to them, their first recommendation fell through
If he’s looking for recommendations from Canadian creators he should probably reach out to Linus Tech Tips, who operates his business out of BC. I’m pretty confident he needs representation not just in Canada but specifically in British Columbia.
YES PLEASE
ben said ethan is sues for content. i don’t think h3 will be taking any advice from them.
he has to make sure he doesn't have the same lawyer as Bath and Body Works tho ;)
H3 right now is way better than the frenemies era, every one that felt it was mean should give another try 😊
Agree!! They've become something really special, especially the last couple weeks.
Good to know. I stopped watching after that. I will give it another go. Thanks
Oh yes! I couldn't watch during Frenemies too, and now it is better then ever. Crew members shine more, intresting guests, greate segments and deep H3 lore 👌👌👌
I came here to say that! This is the golden chestnut over open fire era and it’s so goood!
Yessss!
Never thought I’d see the day my two most watched podcasts would overlap like this
ikr it’s so weird
Literally the only 2 podcasts I keep up with. I love when I catch them making H3 references
I'm part of that overlap in audiences and when Ben mentioned this topic on the baking stream I was really interested in knowing you guys' about it. I'm glad you're talking about this so soon!
To be fair, I don’t think the company was willing to negotiate at all and Ethan realized that. They were very clear in the call that he wasn’t getting any of that money back. They were just afraid of the bad press and wanted to muzzle him (imo).
exactly and they basically blamed ethan and hila for letting them take the money for so long unnoticed
I love listening to your opinions on trending topics, and I am a big fan of H3 plus obvs you two so it’s gonna be a great show.
The thing that I hate about the phone call between H3 and BBTV was the representative guy from the BBTV had the audacity to gaslighting Ethan and Hila by saying that it's their fault for not checking the money sooner.
It's like catching a thief in the act but the thief saying it's your fault for not locking the door.
Basically they saw the chance, took it, and said nothing about it until they got caught.
Also, if you guys knew any good Canadian lawyers, H3 needs the help lol
This topic is so interesting to me. It’s crazy that it’s so easy for people and companies to be shady.
Ethan 100% will see this FAMILY FAMILY FAMILY
I'm a big Hasan watcher and I've been an H3 watcher forever. So the overlap is real lol
Same I love seeing Hasan and Zach from h3 wear Holo taco it’s like worlds colliding
@@sarahdavenport6039 yassss😍💅
I'm the opposite lmao. Worlds collide 😅
Love your TF hoodie Cristine ❤ family family family
Family family family
As someone that is possibly matched in hot-headed-ness to Ethan, it’s nice hearing the Simplys’ level headed take on the situation
And Ben's sceptic headed XD
Overlap audience🙆. I truly love both of you guys and the h3 crew
This is my favorite podcast, I enjoy listening to two resonable adults have a conversation. Always hyped when a new episode drops
I KNEW you two were part of the Family. I’ve heard you guys use a few Zack soundbites and have always wondered if it was a coincidence or not. Overlap fan here 👋
Yes! And they have worn Teddy Fresh in a lot of the podcasts :)
@@DooBeeDooBeeDoBah My guys! I put the simply podcast on when I’m going to sleep, so I don’t usually see what they’re wearing
There’s no such thing as a coincidence 😜
Way back in the day, when simply was still small, Ethan (on h3h3production ) showed a tweet Simply did to him. I wish I remember what it was but I always found it so cool that they’ve been fupa troopas for a while.
I love goblin mode ethan 😂
There is an audience overlap (me)! Thank you for covering this!
I've never heard of H3 but hearing you guys converse is so intriguing!
Foot soldier here! Definitely some crossover. ❤
I believe that Ethan mentioned in his weekend videos that he was only able to find the discrepancy in memberships when comparing the BBTV monthly statement against TH-cam's back end.
Fan who watches you and the h3 pod religiously here!! Lol
So glad y’all talked about this, very interesting and informative but also juicy drama lol
love that you're rocking the teddy fresh while you talk about this!
I never really comment so im more of a silent watcher, but i wanted to say that i truly do appreciate these podcasts. They're so fun to listen to, and i feel more motivated to do household chores and relax with hobbies when i listen. This podcast is my comfort podcast, and im so glad you're both continuing with making episodes :)
My two worlds colliding. H3 and Simply
I literally don't know who BBT or anything of this is, but I still listened to the whole podcast as I do every week and I learned a lot. I love yall
Dang I didn't think we had so much h3 and simply overlap but I live to see it💗🥰 family
Thanks for keeping me up to date w internet happenings 😅 love listening to your discussions!
This was super interesting! I know these types of videos might not get as many views as AITA etc., but honestly THIS is the kind of content I subscribe for.
👈 Crossover audience member.
Also I didn't start watching because of Simply. I started watching because I love y’alls dynamic together. I never even heard of Christine until she collabed with Hasan, then found yalls podcast channel!
Was hoping to hear from you guys!! The perfect people to give their take… thank you!!
Huge fan of both y’all and H3 here! 💅 + ☮️ ❤️
Thanks for covering H3!!!
Hoping for Simply/H3 crossover 🤞🤞or Holo taco/Teddy fresh ❤❤
Holo Taco x Teddy Fresh would be fire. Cremes to match the color block hoodies would slayyyyy
I WOULD DIE
Teddy Fresh x Holo Taco collab when 👀
Omg please????? ❤❤❤
Been watching H3 for YEARS and own maybe a little too much Holo Taco 😅
The overlap is real, Ben!
H3 family here LOL
That ending though, poor Ben needs his vacation😂
Not only is there overlap but lots of us recommend they have you on the show. I remember when they mentioned the freedom convoy we all suggested they talk to you guys about it for more context.
Hi! I’m a lawyer and there is absolutely NO gray area in that contract.
With respect to channel memberships, I think we agree, it is very difficult to interpret those at not falling under the definition of Google subscriptions, even if that definition was very much written to describe what was TH-cam Red at the time. But there is other gray area, like super-chats, which almost certainly fall under the definition of other net revenue.
@@Bentendo can you explain that about the super chats?
@@Bentendoregardless there’s no grey area. Super chats are apart of the Google subscriptions you can’t super chat unless you’re a member. The “third party” had no part in the super chat being paid to H3 from GOOGLE.
@@Bentendo fair enough. But I think the biggest issue/ revenue source here is the membership payments. Which very clearly fits into the “google subscription” definition. No need to go out of the four corners of the contract because that definition fits so spot on. BBTV is being super bad faith there it’s pretty infuriating
@@gl96However if SuperChat one off donations (which don't require membership) fall under a different category, this may have mislead admin staff to apply that category to YT memberships instead of recognizing those are the "subscription" contract category .
No, he's suing them for the principle! Ethan is not afraid to stand up to bullies and hold his own because ultimately he's a very principled and good hearted man
Audience overlap here, would love to see you guys on the h3 pod!!! Teddy Fresh x Holotaco collab???
Overlap audience here!
I was here before Holo mountain and H3 back in the Israel days. Love y’all both
Holo Taco for life. Hila Kleiner for life. I’m one of the fans who follows both channels!
I know Ethan isn't innocent and has said and done some things I haven't agreed with *but* he and his wife have always seemed like genuinely good people. I haven't watched them in forever so glad I have this to catch me up on what is going on 😂
People always say that but like literally what has he said? Show me a clip. What has he done that was so horrendous that people keep saying stuff like that?? He's just held criminals accountable and their fans lost their minds
@@rinmori3982 theres a reason h3 bought a $20,000 Air Cleaner button because they know Ethan says some pretty offensive stuff. He has said before that he finds "all Indian people goofy." He also said he would be more scared of a black security guard than a white one. And recently his comments about top/bottoms in the gay community were just homophobic, plus he seems confused about trans people so he constantly makes jokes that people find horrendous. Which is why it should be no mystery to why people hate ethan
@@gumshake689 show me links to all of that 😂😂😂😂
@@Iminsideyourwall_ lol i swear im not schizo posting, im just a fan of h3 and ive seen all these clips before, and the links? i dont know look up some hate video on them
You should start watching him again. This law suit is sparking top tier content
overlap here too haha!! i appreciate bens opinion and enjoyed the whole podcast, but i do disagree in the sense that ethan sues for content, most of the time its him being sued. also i feel like the ''it leaves a bad taste in peoples mouth'' or ''makes companies not wanna work with him'' (which i cant remember if ben said that but i saw that in the comments) is kind of a moo point since its not like he outs companies who work well with them, h3 seem very nice and supportive of all their employees and other collaborators and speak kindly of them. if you dont act shitty you dont get ethans bad side which i think is fair to anyone! you reap what you sow lmao and i think he's extremely smart when it comes to creating content out of the struggles he has in life whether its clashing with other creators or this type of stuff, he's definitely in his perfect field of work i think, i dont know who else would make reading a boring ass legal contract as entertaining to watch as ethan klein
AGAIN I THINK BEN IS VERYVERY SMART AND I DONT WANNA SOUND LIKE IM SHITTING ON HIM AT ALL I JUST DISAGREED A LIL BIT OKPLS
Hearing you talk about contracts really makes me want to know your opinions on vtubers, and the difference between big corpos, small corpos, and indie vtubers
I think back then they were also not financially at the point they are at now so missing 2 weeks was more detrimental at that time to them.
But to sign up with some company for years to come over a possibility of it taking two weeks is very dumb. Most of us have been in situations where we’ve not had a paycheck for a longer time than that. I think they were young and dumb and got taken advantage of
@@bish_puddin I don’t disagree that people have struggled for longer I was just noting that it wasn’t from a perspective financially of where they are now. Also still doesn’t justify what the company is doing which I believe is against their own contracts terms.
As a person who has youtube Premium, and has had it since youtube red... I technically had a Google Play subscription at that time and it included youtube Red. With that I had unlimited acces access to google podcasts, Google play music (which is now youtube music), and youtube red - add free yt and premium creator content. At some point the name switched and it automatically changed to a "youtube premium" acct.. I did not have to sign up again/separately. I still have all the same content as I had when ethans contract was written.
I also have had individual subscriptions to different youtubers (specifically cristine and emily d baker) and those are charged separately of my youtube premium account. They are called channel subscriptions and in my mind... I clasify that very differently than my Google subscription(now called youtube premium) What i heard described in Ethans contract sounds like it would cover my youtube premium but i dont think the verbiage in the contract sounds like it should cover individual subs to specific creators.
Im assuming the views from people with YT premium is a separate chunk of a creators YT earnings.
My guess is the MCN was hoping to bank off of a massive increase in people wanting to have YT premium subscriptions... but unfortunately YT premium creator content didn't have the pull that Google hoped it would in gaining subscribers.
I haven't seen the Tetris movie but there's a channel called Gaming Historian that did a good video about the history of the licensing of the Tetris game.
I couldn't agree more that this was a bad faith move on BBTV's part, and completely inconsistent with the spirit of the contract. There should have been an amendment to the contract to incorporate material changes... Also seems very obvious that memberships are a subscription.
Ethan has gone full Goblin mode, and I am here for it.
Well now we need a podcast on things that you would have done differently with your business :)
English isn’t my first language and I’m not very educated on a lot of things so I understood about 10% of what was spoken here but I love listening to y’all being smart and using big words cuz it helps me a lot💕
It's unfair to characterize Ethan as "suing for content" -- he is ALWAYS the defendant. If he files a complaint against BBTV, it would be his first time as the plaintiff. Also, Ethan has always been sued (in my OPINION) for frivolous, anti-democratic reasons -- copyright infringement when commentary obviously qualifies as fair use; and defamation when he's simply referencing lawsuits and journalism. He is well within his bounds to clown on the people suing him. If anything, his lawsuits have been helpful as reference for other creators who might be facing similar (in MY OPINION) harassment and anti-participatory and anti-free speech intimidation tactics.
h3 ALMOST reviewed holo taco!!! i was so bummed when ethan skipped it T-T
Look at that beautiful holographic crown behind Cristine ❤
43:58 TH-cam ad algorithm is so interesting because I literally have an ad for the Tetris movie right below this video 😂😂😂
As a German, to feels like H3 - or North America- is quite late to the party that MCNs are villains 😄 #mediakraft 8 years ago.
I’m an overlapping watcher too:) you have more overlap than you think! Would love to see you as guests on the pod some day when you visit LA again!
The title says BBTV but all I hear in my head is BBBBL 😭😭
The crossover I never thought I’d get 😮❤
World's collide I aways hear ben mention h3.
Family
Simply has the same approach to business that I do to life: “trust no one”
I’m pretty sure Ethan said that he had to sign with them because at the time it would have taken like 4 months of no revenue
It sounds like the subscriptions should have been solely the creators money based on that contract. It doesn’t fall in the “other” category. It is clearly a Google net revenue.
not migrating their adsense makes sense to me because from what i understand they were dead broke at the time
I want to hear that whole other conversation about children on TH-cam! Family vlogging is fucked up and I want to hear Ben uncensored.
pfffffft... i think theres probably a pretty big crossover 😁 im a fan of both! its great that bigger content creators are covering this now because it has been happening to people who cant fight back.
ben got it a bit wrong about ethan suing for content, hes never sued anyone before. weirdos have tried to sue them over nothing though and h3 set a huge legal precedent when it came to fair use on youtube back in the day. id love if you guys and h3 ever did a collab or if you got on their pod. i think it would be fun.
i agree with ben that it was pretty crazy during frenemies but things are so much nicer now without trisha.
Giving up monetization rights reminds me of when I used to work for IT managed services and our clients would just have us register and manage their domain name and DNS records.
super interesting episode! didn't know anything going on with h3 but the topic was really interesting
i feel like this lawsuit/situation specifically was important for ethan to make public. mostly considering that the money they are taking is money the viewers are choosing to give to H3, not just passive viewers who generate ad revenue. but people who are specifically choosing to give money every month to support the creator/crew. as a member of H3, i appreciate the transparency on where my money was actually going. and it’s very frustrating to learn that a portion of my monthly payment is going to a bad faith company who made no effort to generate an additional agreement on this new source of income (memberships). i also feel ethan’s use of his platform to show the inner workings of lawsuits helps especially small creators to show that they have legal standing. that they don’t have to take bullying from big corporations lying down.
not to mention how many smaller creators would never have known bbtv was doing this to their channels had ethan not made this information public. all in all, i will always appreciate ethan’s transparency whether i agree with him or not.
Exactly, i hate how Ben is in other words "im to smart" i would never air this.
I'm a huge Tetris fan & watch the CTWC each year, so I really liked the movie! ❤
But I understand completely what you mean about how over-dramatised it was.
Honestly, I would've enjoyed it just as much without all the fluff & if we were just given the straight facts. 😊
Audience overlap. Super excited to see this episode !!!!
family
I miss the guest name drops outros 😂
I actually discovered H3H3 because of Ben back before they were famous.
Ben mention them for something don’t recall I looked them up and I became a fan. Back when they lived in New York in a small “apartment”
Ben has introduced me to some really great TH-camrs practically since this podcast began! The first rec. was wayyy back in an early ep: *Drew Gooden* - and I absolutely love his videos!
@@becauseimafan yeah me too, Christine and Ben have help me find so many good ones. I always loved Bens apareces in Christine’s channel im glad they made this podcast
That's some very interesting looking nail polish cartons over Cristines shoulder.....very interesting 🤔🤔😂
Everyday is drama tuesdays with ben
Why shouldn't Ethan talk about it? People should talk about shady business instead of being quiet.
Ethan can do whatever he wants but if he wanted to get the money back it probably would have been smarter to pressure them privately. If the threat of a lawsuit didn’t change anything I totally understand using your platform to advocate for yourself.
@@Bentendo that makes sense. I suppose it is usually suggested to be as quiet as possible during a lawsuit. I am glad others who might be in the same situation are being notified to check their payments from this company. And I do love the drama of sticking it to the corporate world lol
more contract talk please, would be an interesting series/episode if you analysed some good bad and complex contracts!!!!
The whole situation just sounds like they got fucked over by their accountant honestly
Yeah, it’s not to suggest that H3 are responsible for making sure their business partner isn’t stealing from them, but if it was clearly disclosed that first month they turned on memberships they could have claimed breach and resolved this without hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line.
FAMILY! I really don’t know if i totally agree with the idea that ethan is doing this for content. I think he sees this as someone else trying to take advantage of another “dumb youtuber”. He’s always voiced how malicious MCNs are because he has seen what they do to other creators. He didn’t see this coming for him bc the contract is clear and the membership money is not fair ground for BBTV. Maybe it’s not the SMARTEST move to go joker mode, but he’s emulating exactly how all the other creators felt when they were screwed over. The others coming forward saying how they were taken advantage of is definitely fuel for this fire. Ethan’s about standing up for what’s right and this is the ethan way of doing it. Anyways, cue the soundboard- what are we gonna do about it
Ben’s assessment that is is for content was the finale to his consistent need to find blame onto Ethan and Hila through this whole podcast. He’s trying to add nuance where there just wasn’t. Even Christine said “Is there any grey area?” to him reaching at straws over the contracts.
All contracts are sketchy with fine print (esp loans). You have to read/learn and be your own advocate.
Glad you guys nvr signed because you guys managed to evolve (though I miss old Simply antics), create the podcast/stream, and ofc HT.
MCNs don't survived long term and most of those content creators c. 2013-16 are rarely on YT anymore unless they regained controll. The ones who benefit the most are the C level of the MCN.
Tetris showed how tech evolving made media law more difficult. Would've wanted to see the closed door lawsuit too
NYT had an article about ebooks and how publishers can revise content whenever because you don't own the purchase.
"Toxic Tuesdays" would work a whole lot better than "Drama Tuesdays" 😂😂😂
i think theres more audience overlap then you realize!
omg ive missed you guys! i thought you left making videos entirely, glad the podcast is still around
Im very happy you guys made this podcast. Im an overlapping viewer who was confused on the topic!!
overlap 👋👋
Simply was my first TH-cam love, and eventually the Teddy fresh drip during the pandemic sent me to H3.
Poor Ben: "We need to figure out how to end these better." "Why?"
Happy Taco Tuesday holo fam! 🎉
Love the matching hoodies vibe 🥰