I’d love there to be a liquid/fuel shipping loop for the Starfarer. Resupplying far out stations with fuel or moving fresh water to moon bases. Or even having the option to swap the tanks out for shipping containers like the Raft.
*"I’d love there to be a liquid/fuel shipping loop for the Starfarer. Resupplying far out stations with fuel or moving fresh water to moon bases."* This is an excellent idea.
The Starfarer is like 80% of the way towards being a total gem... once that 20% gets ironed out, I think it's going to be amazing. As a ROC hauler I think it has a ton of potential!
It was designed as an FPS map, not a ship. The rework will radically change it. Otherwise, it's a dog full of fuel, with better alternatives for cargo.
It should be pointed out that the internals of this ship are scheduled (date not yet) for a complete rework. So this review is largely moot. Thanks for the Vid! ♥
@@justalex4214 no, not internals, there are only a few that are getting massive changes, most are getting small ones like larger hallways for NPC,s, or component space, but not like this one, an entire interior rework, so might as well be a different ship.
I could see if you and your org were doing a whole lot of bounty missions together having this ship around to refuel your teammates ship would give this ship a perfect use case scenario. Especially for pirates that do not want to land on surfaces to vulnerable and to just keep things moving. But for long play sessions with 5-8 other players all working together this wouldn’t be a bad ship to have around. It really needs to be able to refill itself like you said.
If it could do that, it would be much more viable for those scenarios you describe. Otherwise, you need 2 so they can refuel each other and everybody else, and it just gets a bit much
Future feature for the ship. They already have the vents at the front and you'll be able to replace the nosegun on the civ version with an additional vent. Eventually the idea is that the Starfairer will be able to sub atmo into gas giants and other hydrogen sources to source and refine their own hydrogen. Quantum on the other hand you'd have to swap with a refinery ship.
This video is so useful! I've always wondered what the Starfarer was like to practically use - it's super handy that you keep referencing the Starboard and Port side while doing the tour. In fact your walkthrough generally I think is better than looking up any map as I now feel like I've got a pretty good grip on how to get around when I buy one in game.
I absolutely love all the shots in your vidéos where you show the ship just roaming in space with a planet or beautiful background behind, your videos capture so well the beauty of this game
Yeah, so much ends on the cutting room floor too lol - this game is amazing for flying around and enjoying the scenery, and we only have a handful of planets and moons so far!
With this ship I had one of the most memorable moments I had in game so far. I was part of a cargo clean up crew for ERTs, and a Starfarer had cargo we wanted but we couldn't open the bay doors from outside. So I had to look for some sort of crew entrance - I was very unfamiliar with the ship - found one, got access to the inside, had to find my way to the cargo bay which I couldn't open from the inside either, then looked for the cockpit to try to open the doors from there. There was a dead pilot corpse on the chair, had to take him out, sat on the chair and opened all ships doors - which worked even in the ship soft death state - then head back to get the cargo with my buddy. It was an awesome Star Citizen truly unique moment!
I imagine this as homebase of a mining operation. Combined with a fleet of prospectors and a couple of expanses as part of the mining group. It would work as a cargo transport and refueling hub.
My hope: - Faster route to the cockpit and habitation area - The ability to refuel itself - Ability to lock doors open (or just less doors tbh) - Better use of the dead space/space in general - Slot for a shuttle/snub? - Faster access to the turrets - More shields
@@Starach Looking forward to seeing a Re-work before the 10 year anniversary of the original Starfarer pledge comes up. I want to see some sort of med bay as well inside this massive building of a ship.
"Let's make a flying FPS Shooter Map as a starship!" I hope that interior will really be revisited one day, though I like the massive silhouette of the Starfarer. They then should keep the old interior for the wreck site version of the ship though, because as FPS interior it actually works great.
I pledged this ship back in 2013. This ship's interior is an amazing example of how their design thinking from concept to reality has had to change over the last decade. It is an "FPS minigame level" built into a theoretically functional ship.
I've had a Gemini since the original concept sale in 2015, but it's definitely something I've always expected to not be very useful until the PU is MUCH further along. I think people willing to get one and sit on it till we have multiple systems as well as filling the tanks by scooping from gas giant atmospheres will be pleased eventually, but in the meantime there's not much to do with the Starfarer in either variation.
I love the exterior looks of the Starfarer, it really looks amazing. The interior isn't far off either, just needs a primary elevator that leads to all decks instead of those two small ones hidden in the back that leads to the top. That and a captains quarter that doesn't have gaping holes instead of doors haha. I still however have no idea what the crawl spaces are for.
My play group already gets a lot of great use from this amazing ship. We do lare group mining operations where we can extend field activities. It's not "nessisary" but we see it as good practice for future operations.
The interior of the Starfarer feels less like a ship interior and more like a FPS level. Loved doing Fuel Rat stuff in ED, would be fun when it becomes more necessary in SC.
Within Stanton this game loop is not as useful but perhaps when Pyro domes out the refueling game loop will be better. As I own the Starfarer I also find it sluggish and I have used it for both refueling other players and trading cargo. Though mostly I refuel those within my own Organization. I like the ship overall and hope that in time there is more refinement done to it.
@Farrister Another first class video. Outstanding! Question: which GPU do you use in your gaming PC? I ask because I'm planning to upgrade, and I want to know what others are enjoying these days.
Right now star citizen is CPU bound for most systems. The question is what you're monitor resolution is, as that will determine what GPU you need. Additionally there is significant performance improvement in SC by having 32gb of ram. I would say any 30 series + Nvidia GPU will be sufficient for 1080p Star citizen, but you'd need a powerful cpu for good frames. Higher resolutions will need more powerful gpu such as a 3080
@@Adlore Steve from Gamers Nexus said the 3080 was a waste of money. I have a 1440p monitor and a 4K TV. I currently have a RTX 2060. I want to move up to 4K @ 60+ fps on SC. What video card would acheive that? My mobo is ROG-STRIX X570-E.
I thought of some ways to make refuelling a player safer: -For the client to be refuelled, they'll need to lower shields and turn off engines (as in the Starfarer wont be able to refuel you if you don't do those things). It's important to note that the refueler wont have to lower its shields. It's just a one way thing. -I didn't really see where the 2 back turrets were, but they should both be in a perfect position to shoot at the client in case he decides to go A-wire. The fact that you need turrets to be active will also encourage multi-crew gameplay. -Definitely make those turrets able to "move" around the ship (like put them on rails or something) to increase their covering area. -Just give dummy thick shields and powerplants to the thing! -Maybe add a second refuelling probe. I don't really know why but it couldn't hurt I guess.
@@Farrister Yeah, I definitely failed to take that into account in my comment. I should have mentioned that I believe a preliminary adjustment to quantum fuel levels across the board will come when Pyro is made available. This ship should be comparable to something like a KC-135 or similar - a long range refueler. Where the Vulcan likely would be a more limited range support craft (something like one of the U.S. Carrier-based refueling aircraft - probably inspired by the old S-3 Viking).
The top contender for the ship most needing an interior rework. It's a real mess and the slaughterhouse stainless steel finish doesn't help. I really want to like the ship but like you said the current implementation isn't up to the bar yet for multiple reasons. Let's hope one day it will reach that bar and become great.
I love this ship! The interior, once you get used to it, is actually amazing - you have vertical traversal options everywhere, and can get to what you need to quickly if you know what you're doing. The 'engine room' you found is the placeholder for the quantanium refinery. You missed a really important aspect to the pilot size 4 turrets - unlike gimbals, they can swing in a almost hemispherical range, 90 degrees left and right and most of the way up and down too. Using manual gimbal control, this gives the pilot a huge engagement zone, and makes it a lot easier to use in combat. I definitely consider the Gemini the penultimate version of the starfarer. Its not for everybody, but I fell in love with it. refueling needs tweaks, most especially being able to refuel itself. The KC-135 it was inspired by was designed with that feature from the get go. In CIGs defense, they wanted to do that but apparently ran into some sort of technical block. Can't wait to see where this ships gameplay goes as resource and engineering gameplay come on line. Diamond in the rough.
@@Farrister yes, it does. Flying the Gemini as a pocket carrier/bounty ship is what got me started on HOSAM+R as my flight setup, specifically to get the full use of those turrets. The auto-lockon cone for gimbals is hopelessly small in a ship that maneuvers as poorly as the Starfarer does, and also the AI that handles the gimbals breaks just like any other AI. This can leave a starfarer defenseless in a solo pilot situation, neatly sidestepped if you have manual gimbal control.
As a starfarer captain my main customers are pirate or syndicates running blockades ironically. The starfarer currently is a money loser selling fuel for a reasonable margin so what I do is offer free fuel but say I take tips. The tips often exceed standard profit margin even if you had a 100% mark up on it. Of course there's a bunch that will jump you but supporting those types normally pays off and the last one that tried to take me out or pay ransom fought me for 26 minutes before one of them rammed me. To cut down on losses I run a very little bit of fuel in my tanks, rarely over 10k worth.
A useful tip, from a long-time operator of the current flyable version of the ship. Do NOT spawn it planet-side and fly out to orbit. Fly a smaller ship up to a station and THEN spawn in your Starfarer. I've flown one form Orison Cloud City to Orbit... that's nearly half-an-hour of my life I'll never get back.
Got a gemini (and standard can swap for missile module too) so it got better component stock and turret on top is better... but.. Lets be honest, for a cargo/tanker its range is ridiculous. I can't wait for the full rework just for interior to be more dissociated between aegis one and misc one getting more unique ship. Rework of all corridors and ergonomics inside too. Maybe component buff? But shield rework might change everything of the meta. But i love how it look.. I love how it fly. and cant wait to have more functions.
I legitmately hope they don't change the interior too much. Every "unnecessary" traversal method everyone complains about, has saved my bacon at some point or other. My biggest pain is the room in the middle in front of engineering; instead of a suit locker room with escape pods I'd love to see it turned into a machine shop like the Carrack has, so that the ship can provide some mechanical support to the ships it sees.
We really need some serious re-work on this ship, this ship has great potential to be a huge selling point to players, must be made better so it has better shields and better weapon systems, and most importantly has more cargo space, the standard Starfarer with various industrial capabilities could only be one variant after all, it is the cargo variant that will sell best.
It needs to have the option to fill those big tanks with Quantum or hydrogen. It also needs the ability to use the tanks to fuel itself. Those changes right there. Pump the thing up so much. But it would no where near over power it as... You can't really over power a fueler...
Very nice the Starfarer was one of my first big purchases many years ago and despite the layout it’s such an old friend that I know it like the back of my hand, but I can definitely see a new player being thrown off by it. Over in Elite Odyysey a lot of players were complaining about the layout of some of the ground bases and how they would get lost, and I was thinking my God, there’s no difference than in real life…just make the rounds a few times and you will learn it!😊
couldnt help but watch this after jumping on zan's starfarer last night such a massive ship, i cant wait until engineering gameplay is introduced having been called scotty all my childhood you'll find me there lol
I'd enjoy being part of an orgs flotilla out in a remote part of Pyro. Got your BMM, Starfarer and security, ready to sell goods and fuel to needy players at a _reasonable_ markup.
While not being super user friendly, this is easily the most realistic version of what a spaceship might one day look like, compared to say the ridiculously ornate 890 Jump which is more designed for people to enjoy playing a video game, instead of experiencing a truly immersive experience, like the Starfarer offers. While it is certainly not perfect, I hope they go back and rework this ship to bring it up to par with the rest of the large ships.
I own the SF Gemini - its exactly as you say. I am looking forward to using it as a refueler in deep space but it needs longer range than the ships it is refueling. Until CIG figures out the details it is just gathering hanger dust.
This is the only ship I get lost in every time I try to use the head! o7 🤣👍 I had to edit this ship and the Reclaimer both ships no matter how much I use them I get lost inside the ship all the time.
Now that we have the reclaimer, I can see where this one will be golden after the scoop and refine mechanics are worked out. But CIG needs to send its whole design team to sea. Main fuel tanks, fuel polishing and internal transfer, as well as day tanks are very normal. We won't lose those ideas just because it is space. They screwed the pooch on this design so far. Plus, the bunks look like they expect Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs as a crew...
I've had the Gemini variant since it was first available. I'd like to actually use it for fuel generation and distribution. I've been most disappointed, along with others as to the odd layout and the missing features that a ship like this would need. Namely, why no med-bay? There should at least be one or two set-ups similar to the C8 Pisces Whambulance. I'd like one in or directly off the cargo area and another mid-ship near the crew and engineering lift areas. Hopefully, when they get around to the Gold pass, we'll get something in that regard.
Idk why, but this ship just gives me the feels. I love it as a multi-purpose/multi-crew ship. Gemini has plenty of guns for friends. Plenty of room for illicit cargo and vehicles. Really wish they'd do the rework soon. But leave the cargo bay alone!
Maybe it would really prove useful within an organization, fueling a large military operation or refueling capitol ships that are used more as mobile stations.
There is one thing you skipped over. That is the refinery of the quantum fuel and the hydrofuel. This makes it a very flexible ship indeed. Agree on rest of the points. Specially on the point of its use in the stanton system.
Interesting, the captain's bathroom has absolutely no doors. I hope the ventilation is good for the first crew meeting in the office after he took his morning dump.
Think the military version is a better option don't you think? Would be awesome if it could refuel it self. Tier 2 Medical Bed would be handy for long flights
The Starfarer, even reworked, is NOT a suitable ship for a System like Stanton, Pyro and mebbe larger Systems is a more suitable environment for it. Apart from this, being a Multi-Crew vessel, is also more suited to Team Co-Op, and Org Play, where it would come in handy as a support refueller for fighters either on Patrol, or engaged in an Org v Org conflict.
The only use I can see for this in the upcoming 3.18 patch is parking by racetracks. Though you’ll still probably save time jumping to a pad somewhere else.
informative yet depressing video on the state of the game for fueling. There is NO doubt people would lure you to them for fuel only to kill you and salvage you. I'd rather they make this ship "unkillable" but also remove any offensive abilities and limit cargo hauling if the ship became unkillable. This would make refueling possible even to unsavory characters, which could add another playstyle loop by selling locations of hideouts/players that are wanted. I guess you could make it "killable" via large missles but not salvagable so that you could remove it from a battlefield but couldn't profit off of it.
I would love to try this ship out but currently its not as useful as I would love for it to be right now since refuelling is not a real issue right now, maybe with the new systems we will see these ships in action more often.
I had a thought while testing PTU: This will be a big help in racing if people are constantly doing them, just hang around the track and you have customers. So this is slowly going to be used more than it is now during 3.18 I bet.
@@TheRealMiniIsHere Starfarer owner here: Sadly, since it takes so long to refuel one ship, people get impatient and just die/respawn since it is faster than being second in line.
@@RecklessFables WHAAAAAAAAAT, Really? They need "medium refueling" ship that can do it faster and carry less maybe enough for 1 or 2 Hercs. Or people will wait once Perma death is a thing ?
@@TheRealMiniIsHere there's a refueling nozzle upgrade which just makes the cost of operation on the rather fragile booms even it worse. They basically implemented it half-assed and then just moved on without balancing anything or making it remotely fun.
I think this ship will find its first real use case in the next patch with Racing. Just hover/park close by and sell upcharged hydrogen fuel to those little racers with no Quant drive.
You wouldn't want to bother with this ship until at least Pyro is in the game and then hopefully they stick with their plan that Pyro is going to be scarce in fuel stations thus giving the opportunity to use this ship, but if they slap outpost with refuelling pads then yeah totally no point... We'll see.
It's very demanding, but it largely depends on what you're wanting to run (lowest settings and low resolution vs highest settings at high resolution). It might be worth checking the official telemetry page for more info
Rats. I'd been saving my credits and bought the Constellation Phoenix instead of the Starfarer, because I disliked the bland metal interior. If I'd known it had all that orange, I'd have grabbed THIS instead.
Star citizen, always focusing on what can be instead of building what already exists lol. Game will never exist in the state that people hope it to be because they will keep expanding scope. Excellent video though.
Worst design for a SC ship interior hands down. Looks like a fps set, not a space faring ship. External its hella ugly too. I also think a refueler should be controlled from a boom at the front. What if you are re fueling a ship that is BINGO on fuel. The ship cant move to you.
Couldn't think of anything worse than having to rely on other players to travel the verse.... This is /fail /copium Ship is such a dogs balls design. Jump seats? Why? Beds look ridiculous and would be bunks anyway. Horrendous interior of maze like frustration. Absolutely pointless working on a fuel transfer UI before Pyro even in. Must have been for Squadron 42 Thank god they reworking the interior
I'm with you. Having to rely on players for such immediate basics as travel is cool in theory, but will, IMO, be a mistake in game design. Imagine if you could only buy food and water from player space food trucks. :)
I think the idea is sound. The execution needs tweaking... I think there will be ways to traverse the verse without the Starfarer, but some ships might not have the required range to do so.
@@Farrister maybe you’re right. Perhaps any ship can plot a route to just about anywhere, but some shortcuts will require player based refueling. So in effect you are buying time from players.
This ship is UGLY and OLD but I think someday it will be one of the most comfortable, welcoming sights when the entire playspace isn't limited to a measly 3 AU system like Stanton
its always a good day when a new Farrister review comes out
:) doing my best to keep up!
I’d love there to be a liquid/fuel shipping loop for the Starfarer. Resupplying far out stations with fuel or moving fresh water to moon bases.
Or even having the option to swap the tanks out for shipping containers like the Raft.
if i remember correctly they said they will eventually add in swapping the tanks for containers
That would be really cool
*"I’d love there to be a liquid/fuel shipping loop for the Starfarer. Resupplying far out stations with fuel or moving fresh water to moon bases."*
This is an excellent idea.
You can already buy 'extra tanks' for the starfarers. They're in the shops right now.
So I'm pretty sure that's planned.
@@ajmeyers5661 Plus it would be a relatively easy thing to add. Just add another commodity to the trading UI.
The Starfarer is like 80% of the way towards being a total gem... once that 20% gets ironed out, I think it's going to be amazing. As a ROC hauler I think it has a ton of potential!
Definitely has potential!
It was designed as an FPS map, not a ship. The rework will radically change it. Otherwise, it's a dog full of fuel, with better alternatives for cargo.
...... Did you seriously say as a.... RoC hauler...? 😵
Of all the ships you can use, this is what you'd pick to haul a Roc??
@@durtyred86 Yeah, dude... you could haul like a thousand of them. Could be fun, or stupid, or stupid fun.
It should be pointed out that the internals of this ship are scheduled (date not yet) for a complete rework. So this review is largely moot. Thanks for the Vid! ♥
The same can be said for so many older ships as well, sadly.
Isn't that the case for the large majority of ships anyway? Hopefully the devs can catch up at some point
farrister usually keeps things “as is” and that’s what i love about him.
@@justalex4214 no, not internals, there are only a few that are getting massive changes, most are getting small ones like larger hallways for NPC,s, or component space, but not like this one, an entire interior rework, so might as well be a different ship.
How is it moot this is the review of the ship for the next 5 or so years lmao
The narrative ability you’ve shown in this video is really good super chill and easy to follow. Thanks.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it!
I could see if you and your org were doing a whole lot of bounty missions together having this ship around to refuel your teammates ship would give this ship a perfect use case scenario. Especially for pirates that do not want to land on surfaces to vulnerable and to just keep things moving. But for long play sessions with 5-8 other players all working together this wouldn’t be a bad ship to have around. It really needs to be able to refill itself like you said.
If it could do that, it would be much more viable for those scenarios you describe. Otherwise, you need 2 so they can refuel each other and everybody else, and it just gets a bit much
Future feature for the ship.
They already have the vents at the front and you'll be able to replace the nosegun on the civ version with an additional vent.
Eventually the idea is that the Starfairer will be able to sub atmo into gas giants and other hydrogen sources to source and refine their own hydrogen.
Quantum on the other hand you'd have to swap with a refinery ship.
Never thought I'd ever see a flying labyrinth but here we are :D
Here we are... Or, wait, where am I?
This video is so useful! I've always wondered what the Starfarer was like to practically use - it's super handy that you keep referencing the Starboard and Port side while doing the tour. In fact your walkthrough generally I think is better than looking up any map as I now feel like I've got a pretty good grip on how to get around when I buy one in game.
Thanks, although I still use the map for this one xD
This ship is my absolute favorite. If you ever get lost just look at the signage on the walls and floor.
Oh, good tip! But still a bit of a maze... :P
I absolutely love all the shots in your vidéos where you show the ship just roaming in space with a planet or beautiful background behind, your videos capture so well the beauty of this game
Yeah, so much ends on the cutting room floor too lol - this game is amazing for flying around and enjoying the scenery, and we only have a handful of planets and moons so far!
With this ship I had one of the most memorable moments I had in game so far.
I was part of a cargo clean up crew for ERTs, and a Starfarer had cargo we wanted but we couldn't open the bay doors from outside. So I had to look for some sort of crew entrance - I was very unfamiliar with the ship - found one, got access to the inside, had to find my way to the cargo bay which I couldn't open from the inside either, then looked for the cockpit to try to open the doors from there. There was a dead pilot corpse on the chair, had to take him out, sat on the chair and opened all ships doors - which worked even in the ship soft death state - then head back to get the cargo with my buddy.
It was an awesome Star Citizen truly unique moment!
That sounds awesome, and very Star Citizen lol
Farrister= Best reviews
Too kind
I love the timing of this video, with the talks of XenoThreat coming back to the PU soon (TM). Thanks for the awesome review, Farrister!
My pleasure!
I love MISC ships. Great combination of livable and industrial.
Me too, although the Starfarer feels a little dated now...
FINALLY! Been waiting for a normal Starfarer ship review for a while now. All the other reviews are outdated/not descriptive enough. Thanks Farrister
Thanks, hope this cuts the mustard for you!
I imagine this as homebase of a mining operation. Combined with a fleet of prospectors and a couple of expanses as part of the mining group. It would work as a cargo transport and refueling hub.
I can picture that
can also see it as an orbital refuel for org fights,especially for air support ships,when it all becomes more common that is
My favourite ship! It's my mobile home; I use it to carry around a P52 or a bunch of ground vehicles :)
Oh, unexpected!
The Starfarer is a very unique ship. I’m interested to see what the eventual rework will look like.
My hope:
- Faster route to the cockpit and habitation area
- The ability to refuel itself
- Ability to lock doors open (or just less doors tbh)
- Better use of the dead space/space in general
- Slot for a shuttle/snub?
- Faster access to the turrets
- More shields
@@Starach I was thinking they should also add ai refueling contracts too
@@notsovocal6692 they will, they said they will so no worries there! Just haven’t gotten around to it yet
Me too
@@Starach Looking forward to seeing a Re-work before the 10 year anniversary of the original Starfarer pledge comes up. I want to see some sort of med bay as well inside this massive building of a ship.
recently bought this ship (cuz i always hated its looks and i always end up loving what i hate) and its an amazing ship
Oh really?
"Let's make a flying FPS Shooter Map as a starship!" I hope that interior will really be revisited one day, though I like the massive silhouette of the Starfarer.
They then should keep the old interior for the wreck site version of the ship though, because as FPS interior it actually works great.
It does feel like the design brief!
I took out one of these with my arrow it was an intense fight thing is chunky
The Starfarer will be an essential ship in every org's fleet. Hopefully CIG will allow it to eventually transport bulk liquids as well, like water.
It is on my list for sure, so many ships, and glad to have a choice too. Thanks for the video!
Sadly not widely used in game for now
I pledged this ship back in 2013. This ship's interior is an amazing example of how their design thinking from concept to reality has had to change over the last decade. It is an "FPS minigame level" built into a theoretically functional ship.
Wish the fish tank was still in it, how far from concept we falled
The newer ships tend to be much more streamlined for player use
i will buy hull e with real money when the devs figure out how to make "jesus tech" to save the core game
I've had a Gemini since the original concept sale in 2015, but it's definitely something I've always expected to not be very useful until the PU is MUCH further along. I think people willing to get one and sit on it till we have multiple systems as well as filling the tanks by scooping from gas giant atmospheres will be pleased eventually, but in the meantime there's not much to do with the Starfarer in either variation.
I love the exterior looks of the Starfarer, it really looks amazing. The interior isn't far off either, just needs a primary elevator that leads to all decks instead of those two small ones hidden in the back that leads to the top. That and a captains quarter that doesn't have gaping holes instead of doors haha. I still however have no idea what the crawl spaces are for.
Yup! It feels like a ship that was designed as an FPS level, more than a useable starship...
@@Farrister Definitely, and I am most likely going to pick up one at next IAE just *because*
My play group already gets a lot of great use from this amazing ship. We do lare group mining operations where we can extend field activities. It's not "nessisary" but we see it as good practice for future operations.
That's a nice idea
The interior of the Starfarer feels less like a ship interior and more like a FPS level. Loved doing Fuel Rat stuff in ED, would be fun when it becomes more necessary in SC.
Agreed
Great video !
Thanks!
Within Stanton this game loop is not as useful but perhaps when Pyro domes out the refueling game loop will be better. As I own the Starfarer I also find it sluggish and I have used it for both refueling other players and trading cargo. Though mostly I refuel those within my own Organization. I like the ship overall and hope that in time there is more refinement done to it.
I'd like to think so - but then, the Starfarer has fairly limited range. It's not one of the big tank ships, confusingly!
beautiful interior great content keep up the good work.
Thank you!
@Farrister Another first class video. Outstanding! Question: which GPU do you use in your gaming PC? I ask because I'm planning to upgrade, and I want to know what others are enjoying these days.
Right now star citizen is CPU bound for most systems.
The question is what you're monitor resolution is, as that will determine what GPU you need.
Additionally there is significant performance improvement in SC by having 32gb of ram.
I would say any 30 series + Nvidia GPU will be sufficient for 1080p Star citizen, but you'd need a powerful cpu for good frames. Higher resolutions will need more powerful gpu such as a 3080
I have a 3090 at the moment, but my CPU is starting to show its age a bit. Also hoping to do an upgrade this year!
@@Adlore Steve from Gamers Nexus said the 3080 was a waste of money. I have a 1440p monitor and a 4K TV. I currently have a RTX 2060. I want to move up to 4K @ 60+ fps on SC. What video card would acheive that? My mobo is ROG-STRIX X570-E.
Beautifull organization this video. Congrats
Thank you :)
I thought of some ways to make refuelling a player safer:
-For the client to be refuelled, they'll need to lower shields and turn off engines (as in the Starfarer wont be able to refuel you if you don't do those things). It's important to note that the refueler wont have to lower its shields. It's just a one way thing.
-I didn't really see where the 2 back turrets were, but they should both be in a perfect position to shoot at the client in case he decides to go A-wire. The fact that you need turrets to be active will also encourage multi-crew gameplay.
-Definitely make those turrets able to "move" around the ship (like put them on rails or something) to increase their covering area.
-Just give dummy thick shields and powerplants to the thing!
-Maybe add a second refuelling probe. I don't really know why but it couldn't hurt I guess.
Sounds like a lot of rework!
Going to be great when we get Pyro and even larger systems eventually! :)
You would think so, but I can't help but feel like it'll be a little too short ranged for that. Its own quantum fuel store is not huge...
@@Farrister Yeah, I definitely failed to take that into account in my comment. I should have mentioned that I believe a preliminary adjustment to quantum fuel levels across the board will come when Pyro is made available. This ship should be comparable to something like a KC-135 or similar - a long range refueler. Where the Vulcan likely would be a more limited range support craft (something like one of the U.S. Carrier-based refueling aircraft - probably inspired by the old S-3 Viking).
The top contender for the ship most needing an interior rework. It's a real mess and the slaughterhouse stainless steel finish doesn't help.
I really want to like the ship but like you said the current implementation isn't up to the bar yet for multiple reasons. Let's hope one day it will reach that bar and become great.
I know what you mean...
I love this ship! The interior, once you get used to it, is actually amazing - you have vertical traversal options everywhere, and can get to what you need to quickly if you know what you're doing. The 'engine room' you found is the placeholder for the quantanium refinery. You missed a really important aspect to the pilot size 4 turrets - unlike gimbals, they can swing in a almost hemispherical range, 90 degrees left and right and most of the way up and down too. Using manual gimbal control, this gives the pilot a huge engagement zone, and makes it a lot easier to use in combat.
I definitely consider the Gemini the penultimate version of the starfarer.
Its not for everybody, but I fell in love with it. refueling needs tweaks, most especially being able to refuel itself. The KC-135 it was inspired by was designed with that feature from the get go. In CIGs defense, they wanted to do that but apparently ran into some sort of technical block.
Can't wait to see where this ships gameplay goes as resource and engineering gameplay come on line. Diamond in the rough.
Interesting to read your notes - does that currently work in game re the pilot turrets? I wouldn't even know how to tell if it was working!
@@Farrister yes, it does. Flying the Gemini as a pocket carrier/bounty ship is what got me started on HOSAM+R as my flight setup, specifically to get the full use of those turrets. The auto-lockon cone for gimbals is hopelessly small in a ship that maneuvers as poorly as the Starfarer does, and also the AI that handles the gimbals breaks just like any other AI. This can leave a starfarer defenseless in a solo pilot situation, neatly sidestepped if you have manual gimbal control.
'penultimate' means second to last/second from final, by the way.
Rick Sanchez would be totally disappointed by the speed that the ramp comes down at.
You've lost me on that one, I'm afraid
@@Farrister sorry ma'dude. Its a Rick and Morty reference. Ill try and find a link to what i mean.
@@Farrister here:
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As a starfarer captain my main customers are pirate or syndicates running blockades ironically. The starfarer currently is a money loser selling fuel for a reasonable margin so what I do is offer free fuel but say I take tips. The tips often exceed standard profit margin even if you had a 100% mark up on it. Of course there's a bunch that will jump you but supporting those types normally pays off and the last one that tried to take me out or pay ransom fought me for 26 minutes before one of them rammed me. To cut down on losses I run a very little bit of fuel in my tanks, rarely over 10k worth.
Interesting!
A useful tip, from a long-time operator of the current flyable version of the ship. Do NOT spawn it planet-side and fly out to orbit. Fly a smaller ship up to a station and THEN spawn in your Starfarer. I've flown one form Orison Cloud City to Orbit... that's nearly half-an-hour of my life I'll never get back.
Haha, that seems very wise...
Got a gemini (and standard can swap for missile module too) so it got better component stock and turret on top is better... but..
Lets be honest, for a cargo/tanker its range is ridiculous. I can't wait for the full rework just for interior to be more dissociated between aegis one and misc one getting more unique ship. Rework of all corridors and ergonomics inside too. Maybe component buff? But shield rework might change everything of the meta.
But i love how it look.. I love how it fly. and cant wait to have more functions.
Agreed
I legitmately hope they don't change the interior too much. Every "unnecessary" traversal method everyone complains about, has saved my bacon at some point or other. My biggest pain is the room in the middle in front of engineering; instead of a suit locker room with escape pods I'd love to see it turned into a machine shop like the Carrack has, so that the ship can provide some mechanical support to the ships it sees.
We really need some serious re-work on this ship, this ship has great potential to be a huge selling point to players, must be made better so it has better shields and better weapon systems, and most importantly has more cargo space, the standard Starfarer with various industrial capabilities could only be one variant after all, it is the cargo variant that will sell best.
I would love to see that
It needs to have the option to fill those big tanks with Quantum or hydrogen. It also needs the ability to use the tanks to fuel itself. Those changes right there. Pump the thing up so much. But it would no where near over power it as... You can't really over power a fueler...
Agreed
Very nice the Starfarer was one of my first big purchases many years ago and despite the layout it’s such an old friend that I know it like the back of my hand, but I can definitely see a new player being thrown off by it. Over in Elite Odyysey a lot of players were complaining about the layout of some of the ground bases and how they would get lost, and I was thinking my God, there’s no difference than in real life…just make the rounds a few times and you will learn it!😊
Yeah, you get used to it after a while.
couldnt help but watch this after jumping on zan's starfarer last night such a massive ship, i cant wait until engineering gameplay is introduced having been called scotty all my childhood you'll find me there lol
I'd enjoy being part of an orgs flotilla out in a remote part of Pyro. Got your BMM, Starfarer and security, ready to sell goods and fuel to needy players at a _reasonable_ markup.
That would be awesome!
Good concept and has potential.
Star citizen in a nutshell
Waiting for the rework! I really like my Starfarer Gemini and want to keep it, therefore I am really waiting for the rework.
Fingers crossed
While not being super user friendly, this is easily the most realistic version of what a spaceship might one day look like, compared to say the ridiculously ornate 890 Jump which is more designed for people to enjoy playing a video game, instead of experiencing a truly immersive experience, like the Starfarer offers. While it is certainly not perfect, I hope they go back and rework this ship to bring it up to par with the rest of the large ships.
I think they hinted on livestream this week that they might be looking at it again :)
the starfarer is one of my fevoryte ship, with his hyper armored turtel looking
Looking, but not performing :(
@@Farrister Yep anyway looking is Always better than performing 😉
I own the SF Gemini - its exactly as you say. I am looking forward to using it as a refueler in deep space but it needs longer range than the ships it is refueling. Until CIG figures out the details it is just gathering hanger dust.
Agreed!
What a huge ship
This is the only ship I get lost in every time I try to use the head! o7 🤣👍
I had to edit this ship and the Reclaimer both ships no matter how much I use them I get lost inside the ship all the time.
Don't get confused and try to use a fuel pod...
@@Farrister 🤣👍
Now that we have the reclaimer, I can see where this one will be golden after the scoop and refine mechanics are worked out. But CIG needs to send its whole design team to sea. Main fuel tanks, fuel polishing and internal transfer, as well as day tanks are very normal. We won't lose those ideas just because it is space. They screwed the pooch on this design so far. Plus, the bunks look like they expect Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs as a crew...
Haha, yes, it's an older design and that shows!
its a good combo with the vulture
Could be!
I've had the Gemini variant since it was first available. I'd like to actually use it for fuel generation and distribution. I've been most disappointed, along with others as to the odd layout and the missing features that a ship like this would need. Namely, why no med-bay? There should at least be one or two set-ups similar to the C8 Pisces Whambulance. I'd like one in or directly off the cargo area and another mid-ship near the crew and engineering lift areas. Hopefully, when they get around to the Gold pass, we'll get something in that regard.
Let's hope
I think when they bring in Pyro this will be more relevent but would certainly be terrifying without a good escort.
Agreed!
Ah a seat specially made for me ElCapitanGoose
Haha, you were listening!
Idk why, but this ship just gives me the feels. I love it as a multi-purpose/multi-crew ship. Gemini has plenty of guns for friends. Plenty of room for illicit cargo and vehicles.
Really wish they'd do the rework soon. But leave the cargo bay alone!
Protect the cargo bay!
Maybe it would really prove useful within an organization, fueling a large military operation or refueling capitol ships that are used more as mobile stations.
Maybe!
I can also add I can fit the misc razor in this no damage. But if you bed log the razor will indeed put it's landing gears away sadly.
Ahhh
Someone get me off this thing. I am still lost on the ship haha. Nice review.
Haha
In 3.22 Vultures could use refueling and cargo hauling
Vulcan ;)
There is one thing you skipped over. That is the refinery of the quantum fuel and the hydrofuel. This makes it a very flexible ship indeed. Agree on rest of the points. Specially on the point of its use in the stanton system.
This might have already been mentioned but isn't there a future option for the Starfarer to have a refinery option as well.
Potentially - but not currently in game
this ship is the perfect scenario for a xenomorph
Interesting, the captain's bathroom has absolutely no doors. I hope the ventilation is good for the first crew meeting in the office after he took his morning dump.
I lost track of everything so fast😭
:(
As a starfarer owner, I really feel that the layout should be reworked.
Agreed!
The view is the same as a Freelancer. I love the concept and would be nice if players would band together and create fleets that travel together.
Think the military version is a better option don't you think? Would be awesome if it could refuel it self. Tier 2 Medical Bed would be handy for long flights
Agreed on all counts! The Gemini just makes more sense right now, I think
Arguably the most confusing deck layout in all the ‘verse! Given its payload I’d hate to have to exit this ship in an emergency! 😳
Agreed!
if I had enough money, this will be my pledge ship!
They will be needed, but I can’t imagine a crew of 6 running it
No, me neither...
The Starfarer, even reworked, is NOT a suitable ship for a System like Stanton, Pyro and mebbe larger Systems is a more suitable environment for it. Apart from this, being a Multi-Crew vessel, is also more suited to Team Co-Op, and Org Play, where it would come in handy as a support refueller for fighters either on Patrol, or engaged in an Org v Org conflict.
But those larger systems - it just doesn't currently have the range for!
The only use I can see for this in the upcoming 3.18 patch is parking by racetracks. Though you’ll still probably save time jumping to a pad somewhere else.
The ability to change the tanks for containers would be great.
Absolutely
informative yet depressing video on the state of the game for fueling. There is NO doubt people would lure you to them for fuel only to kill you and salvage you. I'd rather they make this ship "unkillable" but also remove any offensive abilities and limit cargo hauling if the ship became unkillable. This would make refueling possible even to unsavory characters, which could add another playstyle loop by selling locations of hideouts/players that are wanted. I guess you could make it "killable" via large missles but not salvagable so that you could remove it from a battlefield but couldn't profit off of it.
I reckon people would rage at that idea too lol
I would love to try this ship out but currently its not as useful as I would love for it to be right now since refuelling is not a real issue right now, maybe with the new systems we will see these ships in action more often.
I had a thought while testing PTU: This will be a big help in racing if people are constantly doing them, just hang around the track and you have customers. So this is slowly going to be used more than it is now during 3.18 I bet.
@@TheRealMiniIsHere Starfarer owner here: Sadly, since it takes so long to refuel one ship, people get impatient and just die/respawn since it is faster than being second in line.
@@RecklessFables WHAAAAAAAAAT, Really? They need "medium refueling" ship that can do it faster and carry less maybe enough for 1 or 2 Hercs. Or people will wait once Perma death is a thing ?
@@TheRealMiniIsHere there's a refueling nozzle upgrade which just makes the cost of operation on the rather fragile booms even it worse. They basically implemented it half-assed and then just moved on without balancing anything or making it remotely fun.
Maybe maybe...
It should have 2 size 3 shields and I would love to see being able to replace the fuel pods with cargo containers like what the raft uses
I think with scavenging coming in, people in reclaimers are going to find themselves needing hydrogen after being tempted down to moon surfaces
I think this ship will find its first real use case in the next patch with Racing. Just hover/park close by and sell upcharged hydrogen fuel to those little racers with no Quant drive.
Oh, an interesting idea!
I'm surprised you didn't get lost in the tour
I am surprised the ship tour and deck layout section was not two hours long.
Starfarer SOOOO needs an oberhaul on the interior. Its so hard to navigate
Yup!
You wouldn't want to bother with this ship until at least Pyro is in the game and then hopefully they stick with their plan that Pyro is going to be scarce in fuel stations thus giving the opportunity to use this ship, but if they slap outpost with refuelling pads then yeah totally no point... We'll see.
Do you have a good recommendation on a PC i could use to play star citizen?
It's very demanding, but it largely depends on what you're wanting to run (lowest settings and low resolution vs highest settings at high resolution). It might be worth checking the official telemetry page for more info
They need to make several other fueling ships.
Would be good!
@@Farrister Perhaps they'll take your word for it.
Rats. I'd been saving my credits and bought the Constellation Phoenix instead of the Starfarer, because I disliked the bland metal interior. If I'd known it had all that orange, I'd have grabbed THIS instead.
haha
@@Farrister I should say, they should give you a commission, you're the reason I'm playing the game now! These videos are awesome.
@@STNeish haha would be nice, thankfully I'm enjoying making videos about the game!
Man I hate that cockpit view so much lol
Immersive... xD
It's a cool ship, but the distribution is confusing. Like it's designed as dungeon for boarding instead of as a ship for living in.
its a flying labyrinth
This thing needs an interior revamp. Its so damn confusing to get around.
Yeah...
Where is the door for the captains bathroom???
Captain needs no door :D
@@Farrister makes it sound like everyone’s seen him on the toilet already
Star citizen, always focusing on what can be instead of building what already exists lol. Game will never exist in the state that people hope it to be because they will keep expanding scope. Excellent video though.
The refuelling gameplay *could be* great! But needs some tweaks...
It has a spoiler!
Better aerodynamic performance with it? xD
Worst design for a SC ship interior hands down. Looks like a fps set, not a space faring ship. External its hella ugly too. I also think a refueler should be controlled from a boom at the front. What if you are re fueling a ship that is BINGO on fuel. The ship cant move to you.
It does feel like an FPS level, yeah...
So space AAA
Space AAR
Couldn't think of anything worse than having to rely on other players to travel the verse.... This is /fail /copium
Ship is such a dogs balls design.
Jump seats? Why?
Beds look ridiculous and would be bunks anyway.
Horrendous interior of maze like frustration.
Absolutely pointless working on a fuel transfer UI before Pyro even in.
Must have been for Squadron 42
Thank god they reworking the interior
I'm with you. Having to rely on players for such immediate basics as travel is cool in theory, but will, IMO, be a mistake in game design. Imagine if you could only buy food and water from player space food trucks. :)
I think the idea is sound. The execution needs tweaking... I think there will be ways to traverse the verse without the Starfarer, but some ships might not have the required range to do so.
@@Farrister maybe you’re right. Perhaps any ship can plot a route to just about anywhere, but some shortcuts will require player based refueling. So in effect you are buying time from players.
With the combination of all its issues and non-practical use in the game, it's one of the worst (arguably the worst) ship in the game.
:(
This ship is UGLY and OLD but I think someday it will be one of the most comfortable, welcoming sights when the entire playspace isn't limited to a measly 3 AU system like Stanton