futuremovieactor He wasn't. However, he was right about Grant always blaming everyone else for his problems when it was mostly his actions that caused his problems.
Inesha Dixon I was laughing the whole time because Ward was and still is one of my favorite characters to this day and when I saw everyone’s faces. I was like Ward just stop talking everyone’s facial expressions are telling you to just shut up.
"He is like Candyman". Now I imagine Skye watching the movie and imagining Ward as the movie's charismatic, tragic and really scary villain with... beehive issues, and herself as Helen, the movie's protagonist, being haunted and put under the hypnotic spell of that dead guy. OOOH...wait...
OtherVids but then it runs the risks of the LMD having the mindset of the previous real person that they were modeled after since Ward was fully dedicated to restoring Hydras heads after Coulson got the old heads to slaughter each other after Whitehall died . I would have loved for them to make a Ward LMD. Wards LMD would just get negative looks and wouldn’t probably be trusted by Coulson, May, Fitz-Simmons and Daisy and he could go full Hydra again at any moment. I mean the only ppl that wouldn’t have an ax to grind with LMD Ward are Mack, Deke, Yo yo, Piper and Davis.
I love how the debate about whether or not Ward was actually a decent person at heart or not, can be so divisive. It is a testament to the writers of this show that they left the answer to that question so complex and ambiguous (well at least in my mind anyway) throughout seasons 1 and 2. I mean in season 3 he is definitely a villain so that ambiguity was gone, but it was fun and interesting to try and anticipate how Ward's story would play out. Such great writing. Hats off to Jed, Maurissa and Jeff.
I think there was, but given how he kidnapped and tortured Bobby it's one of those things that was going to get worse before it ever got better. If they stood by him through everything then I think they could have turned him around. However, completely understandably they didn't do that, nor should they have.
The writers call ward a villian The producers call ward a villian Ward acts like a villian I'm going to go on a limb...but I think Ward's the badguy. ( Looks at all his victims that he never accounts for or accepts blame for) I mean just a guess.
May's comment about trauma pisses me off and I love the irony that it holds after season four. Fitz who is the heart of the show is put in similar circumstances to Ward though nowhere near as bad and he turns out just like Ward, arguably worse. Every single one of these high minded hypocrites are no better than he is. In Ward's place they'd all turn out just like him
This line irritated me as well but I think that was the point of it, may doesn't see how what happened to her is so different from what happened to ward, because while what she'd been through was horrible and traumatic I wouldn't compare an adulthood trauma to childhood/teenage trauma because the burden of growing up like ward or daisy did is heavy, everyone is shaped by the way they're raised and the environment they grew up in and the influence they're surrounded by and from what we know about ward until his adulthood or until he met the team he was only surrounded and influenced by toxic ones so it's not hard to unterstands why he became like this or why he can't just snap out of it. With May though, she lived a traumatic experience and she still not over it but going through something while you're an adult and in result of a job you chose is way different than living with an abuse since childhood because of circumstances were forced on you since we don't choose our families, beside May got the support from her friend, her family and her ex-husband who is also a psychiatrist while Ward the only 'help' he got was Garrett's the man who pushed him even further down the edge. But I think the point of her comment also is they'll never see the things from his point of view, which reminds me of daisy's line s3: "When you grew up like we did, it ... it impacts how you see the world. Everything is filtered through a very specific lens. And Ward got that."
coulson: killed ward with his robot hand on an alien planet may: tried to kill ward several times daisy: shot ward 4 times fitz: tried to attack ward on the plane simmons: tried to kill ward with a splinter bomb ward: still alive after 4 seasons
1:17 - 1:20 perhaps you want to relocate staples in your foot Ward? or your larynx broke? If you want that, May can give you all of that birthday "presents"...
This scene means nothing after everything Ward did in season 3 before dying. He killed Rosalind and tortured Fitz and Simmons and much more. I actually thought that this scene meant something. A new beginning. New trust. But instead they were like "Ah, let's make Ward evil again and kill him off after that emotional scene in season 2, nobody will care". Well, yes, we do care and Brett Dalton was the best actor in this show. The series is almost nothing without him. They didn't even bother to give Ward a chance to show up in the 100th episode. He was part of the first team of the series and they are all pretending like he never happened.
I completely agree with you... You don't build a cast with an incredible chemistry, make them look like a family and then make one of them a plain bad guy/character, specially if he is one of the best actors.
@@judgelee5741 uh to be fair simmons tried to disintegrate him after the deal and they tricked him into killing his girlfriend that kind of made him go frank castle on them
I agree, and I am so pissed that they made Mack the new director, he basically joined Coulson's team as a spy for Gonzalez, and decided to leave SHIELD if Coulson had remained the director. He kidnapped Hunter and was unnecessarily being rude to Joey and Lincoln. Somehow they forgot all of that. Before Mace's death Simmons was the highest ranking agent, she should have been the director.
Blogging with Lightus you do realize after season 2 Mack has been fully supporting coulson's leadership right? And he's stuck with them through all the crazy shit that they've been through. And Simmons shouldn't be director for her own good, because she's fully invested in finding Fitz
+Renagade2332 She didn't "ruin" the moment, on the contrary, Ward was full of shit (that was anything but a sincere apology) and she called him on it. It was brilliant.
+Slingblade87 oh you antis, its like trying to tell you the sky is blue with scientific facts but ya know, sure your kind can go on thinking its green.
Skye/Daisy: "I'm still happy I shoot you" Fitz: "Yeah me too" Simmons: "Should've aimed for the face" May: "Yeah" Me: "You should have aimed for the balls and then the face" 🤣
After Hydra Uprising, Ward turns a good man.But,Skye shot ward then Ward and Agent 33 relationship starts Then Agent 33 killed and Ward becomes Hard Hydra So,I think Skye was the main reason for ward will Villain Mind.
Dang I mean have they ever even considered that maybe their reaction to him trying to make amends maybe pushed him over the edge for good? I think they are somewhat responsible for making him Evil through and through. I mean have they ever heard of forgiveness?
+HeroGamer Bro, you obviously have never had to forgive someone or been forgiven. That is the whole point of forgiveness, when there is no reason whatsoever for you to forgive someone for the wrong and terrible things they've done but you forgive them, it makes all the difference in the world forgiveness is a powerful thing and it heals friendships and kills the roots of bitterness. 👌
+caleb carroll Well, forgiveness is the second step in a process of healing (the first step being getting rid of your anger torwards something, not letting it control you), and alot of people never get to that step. It's a truth, and after all the things Ward did completely not even influenced by other people, you can understand why the team never forgave him.
Forgiveness has to be earned, and you do that by proving you've changed, which Ward did not. Could they have tried harder to understand why he became the way he was and show him compassion/give him a second chance? Sure. But I don't blame them for how they treated him, because betrayal cuts deep. Ultimately, it was up to Ward to try to turn his life around and do good, and he didn't. It's a sad story, but that doesn't mean Ward isn't responsible for his actions. I can agree with placing some of the blame on Ward's abusive family and on John Garrett (although that still doesn't absolve Ward himself of anything), but definitely not on the team. It was not their responsibility to rehabilitate Ward.
at this point in the who, ward definitely deserved redemption and to be honest, child abuse isn't a light subject and May just brushes it off acting like her issues were just as scarring? that's bs
+Rach M I agree. Child abuse is a big issue and she shouldn't have acted as though it isn't. But she is right. Ward made his own choices. If he wants redemption maybe he should try doing the right thing.
+06bigd2000 What May said reminded me of what Rocket said to Drax after he almost got killed by Ronan, "Everybody's got dead people. It's no excuse to get everybody else dead along the way."
Rach M Yeaaah, but what about Skye ? Growing up without any family to hang on to, anyone believing in you or loving you or even supporting you can not be that much better. And she's no psychopath now, is she ? Plus, he totally brought that reply on himself haha, you don't go about saying "sorry for being a douche, I got a rough education and my parents sucked worse than you can imagine" if you want some credibility haha
When you spend a lifetime doing the wrong; the things that follow goes something like this. Ward followed someone evil, and especially after when said evil person taught you how to kill, and said person saved you from a life and death and loneliness. Can you really just assume that the right thing is a concept lost to him. It is a strange subject for ward. His entire life has been if you're strong you rule. This very universe proves that sentiment.
No, people, Ward did NOT deserve redemption. So what, he had regrets? Big deal. He still commited heinous atrocities and killed a whole bunch of SHIELD agents who were actually moral. He's a psychopath. Yes, child abuse is a scaring, emotionally traumatic event. But they don't usually end up MURDERING EVERYONE THEY'RE TOLD TO! May was right, "We all have scars. That didn't turn us into psychopaths." And he makes it very clear here that he has absolutely no remorse for the lives he's ended. He STATES this! What's there to redeem?
Callian r oh you're SOOOOO right!!! Finally someone who hates Ward as much as I do. He really does not deserve redemption for his actions and I really wish people would stop treating him as being in the Framework as an act of redemption. That's not Ward, that is pieces of code that make him seem to exist and be a good person but really, no. Just no. Stop acting like Ward is the victim here people. And if you want to rant against this comment, feel free. I respect opinions but pls no cussing or swearing.
Callian r yes all the team made mistakes that's human ward knew what he was doing you can tell that they know what they are doing by their facial expressions and one more thing you can tell by the fact that when Coulson said watch it Ward you do realize Coulson really loves May don't you guys If there is anyone from the old days who deserves redemption it's Bucky because you know since he is Steve Rogers best friend that he would never willingly join HYDRA the reason Howard Stark was killed by Bucky is because Bucky s memories were erased and Howard doesn't look the same as used to anymore Steve still looks the same despite him wearing different suits and all and being in a different timeline he still has the same face which explains the difference between Steve and Tony Tony thinks about the future but doesn't reflect on the past Steve does even though Steve may have lied to him to protect Bucky that doesn't mean Tony should live with revenge in his heart if Spiderman saw what he was doing he would probably see the error of his ways
Callian r it didn't become a discussion about Bucky I m just pointing out the difference ward was not only a liar and a traitor a manipulator he was a killer too especially Bucky was honest which makes him different and the fact that he was under mind control makes him a victim
maria gutierrez you're right. I think Ward was being honest and genuine about how he feels about the rest of the team, but TBH I probably would've said what they said. They don't believe he's genuine because at the end of the day, he killed people and instead of taking TRUE responsibility for his actions, he kept pushing the responsibility on his parents, his brother, Garrett and HYDRA
Ward repeatedly acknowledges his guilt in all this, he's acknowledging the CIRCUMSTANCES that lead him to making his choices. Which is actually true, like in a trial those factors would actually contribute to his sentencing.
No it wouldn't. Him being a bad guy all the way through was the best thing they could've ever done instead of getting him some BS redemption story that we've seen played out over and over again.
I feel like they were trying to setup a redemption arc for Ward, but they changed their minds. It would have been better if they had given him a redemption arc because the whole subplot of him kidnapping Bobbi was just kind of jammed into the last few episodes, and if they had given Ward a redemption arc, they could have also given one to Agent 33 and that way both Ward and Cara would both become shield agents again. It would also give us more time to give her some character development in season 3. This way, Ward could also stay on the show. It would have also been meaningful because Cara could have killed off later as a fully fledged character. She would die a shield agent, and this would give Ward more character development as well. This could have made possibly given Ward a better relationship with the team and Shield. This, way Ward and the team would not hate each other, and they would stay loyal to each other. Cara’s death would also open up the possible for Ward and Daisy to get together because Lincoln would die, and Ward could be there to comfort her and she would have been there for him when Cara died. This all would mean that Ward would also remain a good guy. It would also make him a much more memorable character, because he would be genuinely good and we would remember him as that. If they decided to kill him off later on, than it would be a much more meaningful death. Of course though, I would want him to stay on the whole series. Also, this means that we could keep Will as hive, and this would be much more meaningful to explore because we already knew Ward. We were not really exploring hive as a character. We were just reflecting back on Ward and who he was. If Will Daniels was Hive, we could have explored him more as a character as well as Hive. It would also give Simmons more character development because of her time on Maveth. This way, Ward would also be plugged back into the Framework, and so could Simmons. For Ward, he would still be working for Shield because that could be his biggest regret by this point, and Simmons could have Will as a partner in the Framework. This way, Daisy would have to work extra hard to get everyone out of the Framework on her own. Things would work out the same as they did in season 5, but Ward would be with them in space. Things in season 6 would play the same, except Ward would be there, and in season 7 Ward would see Garrett again, and Ward would talk to Garrett and try to make him stay loyal to shield. Ward would fail. Garrett would help them for a while, but they would all get captured by the cronicoms and Garrett would reveal that he sold them out so that he would not be captured or killed. This would make Ward realize that Garrett never cared about anybody, and he only saw other people as tools to help himself. This would of course bother Ward. They would all be taken to a cell. Garrett would be put in charge of interrogating them for Nathanial Malak. He would ask where Fitz was. Nobody would know, of course. Garrett would point a gun at Ward. Everyone would beg him not to. Coulson tried as hard as he could to break the cuffs; but he only broke them at the last moment. Garrett would pull the trigger. Ward would close his eyes, thinking he was going to die, but Coulson dived in front of Ward and took the bullet. Coulson was shot, but it was nothing too serious of course. Coulson was a cronicom, so he would be fine. Being free, Coulson would knock out Garrett, and free everyone else. This would make Ward realize that Garrett never really cared about him, but Coulson, the team Daisy, SHIELD, they always did. At the end of the series finale, Ward and the team would be together in a bar with Ward still working for Shield because he has now realized that SHIELD has always been, is now, and will always be his true family. This is just what I think would happen.
I belive in Ward and I dont see him as Bad guy. He is Specialist and Taskmaster, he dosent have any social antennas since he might be Savant but I dont like all the hate he gets.
I believe they the reason the team hates ward so much is not because he betrayed them. It's because of what that betrayal meant, destroying the family, destroying Fitz's brain and playing with Skye's feelings (he really loved her I know but he knew that if she found out she would hate him, he knew that it would be twice as hard for Skye when she realized that he was Hydra if she was in love with him). The point I'm trying to make is that for them Ward is destruction and is the personification of everything they hate. And I know that Ward has been through a lot but at the end of this season Skye's mom tries to kill her and watches her father kill her mom and that doesn't turn her into a psychopath, she admits in season 3 that she understands Ward and how he got to where he was and she says that her mom did the same with her, but she was able to snap out of it as soon as she saw what her mom was capable of...Ward situation was more complicated and harder but he could have snapped out of it if he really wanted to.
You don't just become a psychopath because some traumatic shit happens to you after your teen years. You are molded into a psychopath by the environment in your early years. Skye didn't turn into a psychopath because she was already an adult when her mum tried to kill her. Ward was a child when his family abused him, and then further refined when Garret, a psychopath, became his father figure. You're putting child abuse on the same level as emotional trauma (at an older age) when its 2 different things, and it just isn't that simple. The former would really determine how you'll be like in the future, the latter will likely not affect one as much
@@td.z1 of course that they are not the same thing, but after all we are talking about characters, Skye (although she was an adult) wasn't defined as a character until she met her parents and everything that came with that. Ward wasn't a defined character until he met Garret. They both were trying to define who they where, doesn't matter the age. I understand that a teenager is easier to "brainwash" but trust me, that can easily happen to someone who is on their mid twenty's and still doesn't know who they are or what their beliefs are, they walk through the world lost and confused. When Coulson found Skye her sense of who she was became better, but she really is defined in season 2, discovering she is an inhuman, learning her real story, even learning her real birthday. I believe that Skye lived her teenage years later than everyone else. Plus we actually don't know what happened to Skye during her childhood, we never got any flashbacks or anything and she isn't very open about her childhood. And one last thing, I still think that they could have forgiven Ward with time (like they forgived Piper on season 5) but the writers wrote him as a simbol, a simbol of destruction and pain, even in season three hive has Ward's body and hive caused tremendous pain to Daisy just as Ward did go Skye.
I know Ward's a villian, but at here he was already trying to help the team and they keep trying to not only kill him but keep mentally ruining him. Had they actually tried to help he'd probably be a good guy instead of a dead psycho.
I argue he did try to help. The SHIELD team fucked up every aspect of his custody, they kept him in solitary for six months despite his obvious mental and emotionally instability, they offered him no psychiatric care for his suicidal tendencies, they sold him to his abuser WHILE emotionally manipulating him, they tried to kill him multiple times including at least once when he was in custody and then they sit there cussing him out from an ivory tower they in no way earned. This show suffers from severe protagonist centered morality, all that shit is what the VILLAINS are supposed to do.
jockadoobee They did sell him to his abuser. Christian would give them good publicity for a price. That price was Grant Ward, who they gave away without concern.
jockadoobee: Yeah dude I don't like Trump and I loathe the Alt Right. I'm a died in the wool leftist to my core. Yet I'm not gonna just shrug away from problematic issues in television shows when I see them and they totally did trade him off to his abuser which is really unsettling when you think about the messages behind that. It tells us that it's 'okay' for the heroes to work with a child abuser provided they have enough of a grudge against their victim. Ward did bad things but he needed actual help and therapy. He was mentally unstable, and if you don't have a problem with working with child abusers, solitary confinement, waterboarding (Fitz), and refusing to provide therapy for someone's multiple suicide attempts. Ward may have been 'the bad guy' but what the show endorsed by never talking about it *really* pissed me off.
Comparing Ward to Candyman. I thought that was an interesting. Maybe if she said ward's name four more times before he showed up I would have found that to be pretty funny.
*happy sigh* Watching the Bus family united again (no, NOT Ward, the rest of them) and reacting as a true team makes me smile. That closeness has been very missed.
+Mighty Pac-Man Forgiven? For torturing Bobbi? Trying to kill Hunter? Trying to kill May? Using a brainwashed Shield Agent to rape and do his dirty work? Betraying the team and shield? Pushing Fitz and Simmons to their certain death in the middle of the ocean thereby giving Fitz brain damage? Kidnapping Skye twice and threatening to rape her twice? Killing Hand? Unleashing bad people into the world from the Fridge? Killing innocent guards? Killing his family? Hmmm .........let me see. I don't think so. He is evil. A very bad guy. And now apparently head of hydra - an organization bent on taking over the world that is based in nazism. So no, Just no. The sooner someone takes him out - the better.
+Mighty Pac-Man Why would Ward sacrifice himself for anyone. He has done nothing up to now to suggest he would ever do that. Even his 'apology' to the team in this clip is all about Ward and poor Ward and he takes absolutely no responsibility for his actions. Everyone on the team hates him. So your question will never come to fruition. The writers say Ward is a villain and has very litle chance for redemption or to be forgiven by his team.
I believe that ward is not villain and I don't believe that he be the head of hydra.I stand with ward because nobody else will.the writers also said that he will be redeemed by the team and he should be.the team has no right to be mad at ward especially That backstabbing bi**** Simmons,she got what she deserved for what she did to him.
Circustances lead to a good or bad path,and he tried to help the team with the intel within the cage the team is just a bunch of grudgy hypocrites that paved the way to ward's villain path and may sealed the deal when she tricked kara to use her face so ward could shoot'may' they're worst than ward could ever be and if anyone tries to talk back at me of the contrary I'll just ignore you like the team ignored his attempts of good actions
“We all had our traumas Ward did not turn any of us into psychopaths’ I lost it 😂
*cough* framework *cough*
@@ashleyckx IKR! The delicious irony is fucking awesome
@@gerstein03 Yeessss
Ward is quite the master of the non-apologetic apology, isn't he?
He practically makes it an art form.
Haha true
+Slingblade87 Also, you know it's really bad when his own brother said "Spare the non apology. I'm a senator."
+parkerboy795 it's not like Christian was a saint though.
futuremovieactor
He wasn't. However, he was right about Grant always blaming everyone else for his problems when it was mostly his actions that caused his problems.
Skye: "I'm still happy I shot you."
Fitz: "Yeah me too."
Simmons: "Should've aimed for the face."
May: "Yeah."
+Natalya Wilkinson That part made me laugh so hard i couldn't breath i had to pause it so to calm down
Natalya Wilkinson Ward's face after that just says "Yep, I deserve that".
LOFL
Me: "You should've aimed for the balls and then the face" 🤣
@@sofiasoto3171 go for the face, and then if that doesn't work, TRY THE HEAD 👍
ward: mistakes were made - -
fitz: - by u
ward: people got hurt- -
by u: fitz
ward: mistakes were made
fitz: _by you_
ward: people were hurt
fitz: _by you_
"Guys I know that this is so weird [...]" I LOVE HOW COLSON ALWAYS SAYS WHAT THE AUDIENCE IS THINKING>
Inesha Dixon I was laughing the whole time because Ward was and still is one of my favorite characters to this day and when I saw everyone’s faces. I was like Ward just stop talking everyone’s facial expressions are telling you to just shut up.
"We all have our own ways of coping, for example, I was yours"
ouch
I was waiting for May to punch him in the face or something 😂
@@sofiasoto3171 I was waiting for someone to punch him in the face I thought someone would do it 😂😂
I just realized that everyone in this scene has tried to kill Ward at some point thus far.
Nate Jenkins well couldn't happen to a nicer douche bag
+Nate Jenkins I don't think Coulson has, unless I'm forgetting something.
Nah I think your right. Phil did hand Ward over to his abusive brother tho...or tried to anyway
Wait doesn't Simmons try to kill him later?
+snowcherryleopard yea, in this exact episode
Love him or hate him, but he is a great character and it's a shame he's gone.
92Beyo I love and hate him at the same time
True atleast we saw him in the Framework again
I felt like he was designed to be a lethal killer but you can't deny the fact that there's still some good left in him, even if it's just a little.
Yeah true
Ward: *speaks
Everyone else:*intense staring
"He is like Candyman". Now I imagine Skye watching the movie and imagining Ward as the movie's charismatic, tragic and really scary villain with... beehive issues, and herself as Helen, the movie's protagonist, being haunted and put under the hypnotic spell of that dead guy.
OOOH...wait...
woooow NOW i get that reference
FrakkinToaster Luvva then Season 5 she gets the last centipede serum
from the actual ex- “Candyman” from Hydra.. lol.. hypocritical much?
0:46 I just love Mays face right there like really
yeah
I’ve literally copped that look so many times from my mother growing up 😂
"We all make mistakes" I can't believe he actually tried that 😂😂😂
Well they all did. It's just that he made worse ones.
@@user-oz2ws8dh9s and actually owns up to the fact that he made mistakes
I miss the old Team
Mack > Ward
if only he was like the framework Ward
Femxfire if only they had put framework ward into that machine that gave anyone in the framework a body in the real world...
OtherVids but then it runs the risks of the LMD having the mindset of the previous real person that they were modeled after since Ward was fully dedicated to restoring Hydras heads after Coulson got the old heads to slaughter each other after Whitehall died . I would have loved for them to make a Ward LMD. Wards LMD would just get negative looks and wouldn’t probably be trusted by Coulson, May, Fitz-Simmons and Daisy and he could go full Hydra again at any moment. I mean the only ppl that wouldn’t have an ax to grind with LMD Ward are Mack, Deke, Yo yo, Piper and Davis.
@@othervids3726 yeah so right like they did for aida
I love how the debate about whether or not Ward was actually a decent person at heart or not, can be so divisive. It is a testament to the writers of this show that they left the answer to that question so complex and ambiguous (well at least in my mind anyway) throughout seasons 1 and 2. I mean in season 3 he is definitely a villain so that ambiguity was gone, but it was fun and interesting to try and anticipate how Ward's story would play out. Such great writing. Hats off to Jed, Maurissa and Jeff.
He was mostly in the grey area in s1 and 2 but then turned into an irredeemable character in s3 and then turned into Hive's meat suit. Sigh.
"You should've aimed for the face."
Wow, I guess this never gets old, does it?
2:15-2:19 lol
Skye - "I'm still happy I shot you"
Fitz - "Yeah, me too"
Simmons - "Should've aimed for the face"
May - "Yeah"
And here I thought there was hope for redemption for Ward.
At the end, no, now he's dead
I think there was, but given how he kidnapped and tortured Bobby it's one of those things that was going to get worse before it ever got better. If they stood by him through everything then I think they could have turned him around. However, completely understandably they didn't do that, nor should they have.
no, he fucked up throughfully
Yeah he didn’t grow up with loving parents or siblings. Evil but cowardly older brother who made him do bad things for him.
0:59
WARD: 'Mistakes were made."
FITZ: "By you."
WARD: "And people got hurt."
FITZ: "By you."
The writers call ward a villian
The producers call ward a villian
Ward acts like a villian
I'm going to go on a limb...but I think Ward's the badguy.
( Looks at all his victims that he never accounts for or accepts blame for)
I mean just a guess.
He's a loveable villain who looks great in black leather!
He's a villain you could love.
May's comment about trauma pisses me off and I love the irony that it holds after season four. Fitz who is the heart of the show is put in similar circumstances to Ward though nowhere near as bad and he turns out just like Ward, arguably worse. Every single one of these high minded hypocrites are no better than he is. In Ward's place they'd all turn out just like him
This line irritated me as well but I think that was the point of it, may doesn't see how what happened to her is so different from what happened to ward, because while what she'd been through was horrible and traumatic I wouldn't compare an adulthood trauma to childhood/teenage trauma because the burden of growing up like ward or daisy did is heavy, everyone is shaped by the way they're raised and the environment they grew up in and the influence they're surrounded by and from what we know about ward until his adulthood or until he met the team he was only surrounded and influenced by toxic ones so it's not hard to unterstands why he became like this or why he can't just snap out of it. With May though, she lived a traumatic experience and she still not over it but going through something while you're an adult and in result of a job you chose is way different than living with an abuse since childhood because of circumstances were forced on you since we don't choose our families, beside May got the support from her friend, her family and her ex-husband who is also a psychiatrist while Ward the only 'help' he got was Garrett's the man who pushed him even further down the edge.
But I think the point of her comment also is they'll never see the things from his point of view, which reminds me of daisy's line s3:
"When you grew up like we did, it ... it impacts how you see the world. Everything is filtered through a very specific lens. And Ward got that."
I really wish Ward became part of the team again.
Man at 2:20 ward’s face 😂 he knows he just got burned 😂 I love this show tbh I do miss the old team but I’m not sad about the new one ❣️❣️
1:42 coulson's face XD
coulson: killed ward with his robot hand on an alien planet
may: tried to kill ward several times
daisy: shot ward 4 times
fitz: tried to attack ward on the plane
simmons: tried to kill ward with a splinter bomb
ward: still alive after 4 seasons
1:17 - 1:20 perhaps you want to relocate staples in your foot Ward? or your larynx broke? If you want that, May can give you all of that birthday "presents"...
Coulson literally mean that when he says "Watch it Ward" 🤣
I love how they all look like they where about to throw up as he tries the pity and nostalgic route ^^
This scene means nothing after everything Ward did in season 3 before dying. He killed Rosalind and tortured Fitz and Simmons and much more.
I actually thought that this scene meant something. A new beginning. New trust.
But instead they were like "Ah, let's make Ward evil again and kill him off after that emotional scene in season 2, nobody will care".
Well, yes, we do care and Brett Dalton was the best actor in this show. The series is almost nothing without him. They didn't even bother to give Ward a chance to show up in the 100th episode. He was part of the first team of the series and they are all pretending like he never happened.
I wasn't saying that. I was saying that Brett Dalton was a great actor, I never said he was a bad person like his character.
I completely agree with you... You don't build a cast with an incredible chemistry, make them look like a family and then make one of them a plain bad guy/character, specially if he is one of the best actors.
@@judgelee5741 uh to be fair simmons tried to disintegrate him after the deal and they tricked him into killing his girlfriend that kind of made him go frank castle on them
I agree, and I am so pissed that they made Mack the new director, he basically joined Coulson's team as a spy for Gonzalez, and decided to leave SHIELD if Coulson had remained the director. He kidnapped Hunter and was unnecessarily being rude to Joey and Lincoln. Somehow they forgot all of that.
Before Mace's death Simmons was the highest ranking agent, she should have been the director.
Blogging with Lightus you do realize after season 2 Mack has been fully supporting coulson's leadership right? And he's stuck with them through all the crazy shit that they've been through. And Simmons shouldn't be director for her own good, because she's fully invested in finding Fitz
Ward: We all have our ways of coping, for instance, I was yours
Coulson: "Watch it ward"
Lol Coulson was not having any of it.
This scene is hilarious
Ward gave a normal youtuber apology
Mays face at 0:46 says it all.
Great dramatic moment ruined by sarcastic remark.
Good job Skye.
+Renagade2332 She didn't "ruin" the moment, on the contrary, Ward was full of shit (that was anything but a sincere apology) and she called him on it. It was brilliant.
+Slingblade87 oh you antis, its like trying to tell you the sky is blue with scientific facts but ya know, sure your kind can go on thinking its green.
thecalmsnow00 I wish I had the faintest idea what you were talking about. Alas, it's beyond me.
+Slingblade87 Ward being full of shit is a contentious statement, which is why there's always debate.
i don't think ward was not being sincere here, i think he truly values his time with the crew and feels sorry for everything he destroyed
Poor guy
Poor asshole and traitor
I wanted him to redeem himself so much, he was such a great good guy.
Skye/Daisy: "I'm still happy I shoot you"
Fitz: "Yeah me too"
Simmons: "Should've aimed for the face"
May: "Yeah"
Me: "You should have aimed for the balls and then the face" 🤣
After Hydra Uprising, Ward turns a good man.But,Skye shot ward then Ward and Agent 33 relationship starts
Then Agent 33 killed and Ward becomes Hard Hydra
So,I think Skye was the main reason for ward will Villain Mind.
2:15 😆😂😅
Dang I mean have they ever even considered that maybe their reaction to him trying to make amends maybe pushed him over the edge for good? I think they are somewhat responsible for making him Evil through and through. I mean have they ever heard of forgiveness?
+HeroGamer Bro, you obviously have never had to forgive someone or been forgiven. That is the whole point of forgiveness, when there is no reason whatsoever for you to forgive someone for the wrong and terrible things they've done but you forgive them, it makes all the difference in the world forgiveness is a powerful thing and it heals friendships and kills the roots of bitterness. 👌
+caleb carroll Well, forgiveness is the second step in a process of healing (the first step being getting rid of your anger torwards something, not letting it control you), and alot of people never get to that step. It's a truth, and after all the things Ward did completely not even influenced by other people, you can understand why the team never forgave him.
Even if they had forgiven him, who is to say he wouldn't have just done the same type of stuff to them again? That he wouldn't take advantage of it?
Forgiveness has to be earned, and you do that by proving you've changed, which Ward did not. Could they have tried harder to understand why he became the way he was and show him compassion/give him a second chance? Sure. But I don't blame them for how they treated him, because betrayal cuts deep. Ultimately, it was up to Ward to try to turn his life around and do good, and he didn't. It's a sad story, but that doesn't mean Ward isn't responsible for his actions. I can agree with placing some of the blame on Ward's abusive family and on John Garrett (although that still doesn't absolve Ward himself of anything), but definitely not on the team. It was not their responsibility to rehabilitate Ward.
well said
at this point in the who, ward definitely deserved redemption
and to be honest, child abuse isn't a light subject and May just brushes it off acting like her issues were just as scarring? that's bs
+Rach M I agree. Child abuse is a big issue and she shouldn't have acted as though it isn't. But she is right. Ward made his own choices. If he wants redemption maybe he should try doing the right thing.
+06bigd2000 What May said reminded me of what Rocket said to Drax after he almost got killed by Ronan, "Everybody's got dead people. It's no excuse to get everybody else dead along the way."
Rach M Yeaaah, but what about Skye ? Growing up without any family to hang on to, anyone believing in you or loving you or even supporting you can not be that much better. And she's no psychopath now, is she ?
Plus, he totally brought that reply on himself haha, you don't go about saying "sorry for being a douche, I got a rough education and my parents sucked worse than you can imagine" if you want some credibility haha
But he¡s not now is dead for jerk
When you spend a lifetime doing the wrong; the things that follow goes something like this. Ward followed someone evil, and especially after when said evil person taught you how to kill, and said person saved you from a life and death and loneliness. Can you really just assume that the right thing is a concept lost to him. It is a strange subject for ward. His entire life has been if you're strong you rule. This very universe proves that sentiment.
No, people, Ward did NOT deserve redemption. So what, he had regrets? Big deal. He still commited heinous atrocities and killed a whole bunch of SHIELD agents who were actually moral. He's a psychopath. Yes, child abuse is a scaring, emotionally traumatic event. But they don't usually end up MURDERING EVERYONE THEY'RE TOLD TO! May was right, "We all have scars. That didn't turn us into psychopaths." And he makes it very clear here that he has absolutely no remorse for the lives he's ended. He STATES this! What's there to redeem?
Callian r oh you're SOOOOO right!!! Finally someone who hates Ward as much as I do. He really does not deserve redemption for his actions and I really wish people would stop treating him as being in the Framework as an act of redemption. That's not Ward, that is pieces of code that make him seem to exist and be a good person but really, no. Just no. Stop acting like Ward is the victim here people. And if you want to rant against this comment, feel free. I respect opinions but pls no cussing or swearing.
+Quaking Shadows I don't hate him per se. As an interesting character. As a person, though, he leaves MUCH to be desired.
Callian r yes all the team made mistakes that's human ward knew what he was doing you can tell that they know what they are doing by their facial expressions and one more thing you can tell by the fact that when Coulson said watch it Ward you do realize Coulson really loves May don't you guys If there is anyone from the old days who deserves redemption it's Bucky because you know since he is Steve Rogers best friend that he would never willingly join HYDRA the reason Howard Stark was killed by Bucky is because Bucky s memories were erased and Howard doesn't look the same as used to anymore Steve still looks the same despite him wearing different suits and all and being in a different timeline he still has the same face which explains the difference between Steve and Tony Tony thinks about the future but doesn't reflect on the past Steve does even though Steve may have lied to him to protect Bucky that doesn't mean Tony should live with revenge in his heart if Spiderman saw what he was doing he would probably see the error of his ways
Spidey2493 CapSpi24 When did this become a discussion on Bucky?
Callian r it didn't become a discussion about Bucky I m just pointing out the difference ward was not only a liar and a traitor a manipulator he was a killer too especially Bucky was honest which makes him different and the fact that he was under mind control makes him a victim
so THAT was Ward's regret then!
Ward must have got a chance to prove himself... But he didn't get one.... That reflected in season 3
people saying he wasnt honest about this pisses me off...like im sure at this point he genuinely meant what he said about the team
maria gutierrez you're right. I think Ward was being honest and genuine about how he feels about the rest of the team, but TBH I probably would've said what they said. They don't believe he's genuine because at the end of the day, he killed people and instead of taking TRUE responsibility for his actions, he kept pushing the responsibility on his parents, his brother, Garrett and HYDRA
Ward repeatedly acknowledges his guilt in all this, he's acknowledging the CIRCUMSTANCES that lead him to making his choices. Which is actually true, like in a trial those factors would actually contribute to his sentencing.
They Should Of Had Ward As A Good Guy instead Of A Bad Guy Working For Hydra And Would Of Made The Show Alot Better Then
well alot of the shows kind of based of that turning point
I really wanted him to be a good guy. :/
No it wouldn't. Him being a bad guy all the way through was the best thing they could've ever done instead of getting him some BS redemption story that we've seen played out over and over again.
Simmons covered that for working for Hydra, honestly i liked Ward as a good guy
I feel like they were trying to setup a redemption arc for Ward, but they changed their minds. It would have been better if they had given him a redemption arc because the whole subplot of him kidnapping Bobbi was just kind of jammed into the last few episodes, and if they had given Ward a redemption arc, they could have also given one to Agent 33 and that way both Ward and Cara would both become shield agents again. It would also give us more time to give her some character development in season 3. This way, Ward could also stay on the show. It would have also been meaningful because Cara could have killed off later as a fully fledged character. She would die a shield agent, and this would give Ward more character development as well. This could have made possibly given Ward a better relationship with the team and Shield. This, way Ward and the team would not hate each other, and they would stay loyal to each other. Cara’s death would also open up the possible for Ward and Daisy to get together because Lincoln would die, and Ward could be there to comfort her and she would have been there for him when Cara died. This all would mean that Ward would also remain a good guy. It would also make him a much more memorable character, because he would be genuinely good and we would remember him as that. If they decided to kill him off later on, than it would be a much more meaningful death. Of course though, I would want him to stay on the whole series. Also, this means that we could keep Will as hive, and this would be much more meaningful to explore because we already knew Ward. We were not really exploring hive as a character. We were just reflecting back on Ward and who he was. If Will Daniels was Hive, we could have explored him more as a character as well as Hive. It would also give Simmons more character development because of her time on Maveth. This way, Ward would also be plugged back into the Framework, and so could Simmons. For Ward, he would still be working for Shield because that could be his biggest regret by this point, and Simmons could have Will as a partner in the Framework. This way, Daisy would have to work extra hard to get everyone out of the Framework on her own. Things would work out the same as they did in season 5, but Ward would be with them in space. Things in season 6 would play the same, except Ward would be there, and in season 7 Ward would see Garrett again, and Ward would talk to Garrett and try to make him stay loyal to shield. Ward would fail. Garrett would help them for a while, but they would all get captured by the cronicoms and Garrett would reveal that he sold them out so that he would not be captured or killed. This would make Ward realize that Garrett never cared about anybody, and he only saw other people as tools to help himself. This would of course bother Ward. They would all be taken to a cell. Garrett would be put in charge of interrogating them for Nathanial Malak. He would ask where Fitz was. Nobody would know, of course. Garrett would point a gun at Ward. Everyone would beg him not to. Coulson tried as hard as he could to break the cuffs; but he only broke them at the last moment. Garrett would pull the trigger. Ward would close his eyes, thinking he was going to die, but Coulson dived in front of Ward and took the bullet. Coulson was shot, but it was nothing too serious of course. Coulson was a cronicom, so he would be fine. Being free, Coulson would knock out Garrett, and free everyone else. This would make Ward realize that Garrett never really cared about him, but Coulson, the team Daisy, SHIELD, they always did. At the end of the series finale, Ward and the team would be together in a bar with Ward still working for Shield because he has now realized that SHIELD has always been, is now, and will always be his true family.
This is just what I think would happen.
I belive in Ward and I dont see him as Bad guy. He is Specialist and Taskmaster, he dosent have any social antennas since he might be Savant but I dont like all the hate he gets.
I believe they the reason the team hates ward so much is not because he betrayed them. It's because of what that betrayal meant, destroying the family, destroying Fitz's brain and playing with Skye's feelings (he really loved her I know but he knew that if she found out she would hate him, he knew that it would be twice as hard for Skye when she realized that he was Hydra if she was in love with him). The point I'm trying to make is that for them Ward is destruction and is the personification of everything they hate. And I know that Ward has been through a lot but at the end of this season Skye's mom tries to kill her and watches her father kill her mom and that doesn't turn her into a psychopath, she admits in season 3 that she understands Ward and how he got to where he was and she says that her mom did the same with her, but she was able to snap out of it as soon as she saw what her mom was capable of...Ward situation was more complicated and harder but he could have snapped out of it if he really wanted to.
You don't just become a psychopath because some traumatic shit happens to you after your teen years. You are molded into a psychopath by the environment in your early years. Skye didn't turn into a psychopath because she was already an adult when her mum tried to kill her. Ward was a child when his family abused him, and then further refined when Garret, a psychopath, became his father figure.
You're putting child abuse on the same level as emotional trauma (at an older age) when its 2 different things, and it just isn't that simple. The former would really determine how you'll be like in the future, the latter will likely not affect one as much
@@td.z1 of course that they are not the same thing, but after all we are talking about characters, Skye (although she was an adult) wasn't defined as a character until she met her parents and everything that came with that. Ward wasn't a defined character until he met Garret. They both were trying to define who they where, doesn't matter the age. I understand that a teenager is easier to "brainwash" but trust me, that can easily happen to someone who is on their mid twenty's and still doesn't know who they are or what their beliefs are, they walk through the world lost and confused. When Coulson found Skye her sense of who she was became better, but she really is defined in season 2, discovering she is an inhuman, learning her real story, even learning her real birthday. I believe that Skye lived her teenage years later than everyone else. Plus we actually don't know what happened to Skye during her childhood, we never got any flashbacks or anything and she isn't very open about her childhood. And one last thing, I still think that they could have forgiven Ward with time (like they forgived Piper on season 5) but the writers wrote him as a simbol, a simbol of destruction and pain, even in season three hive has Ward's body and hive caused tremendous pain to Daisy just as Ward did go Skye.
I know Ward's a villian, but at here he was already trying to help the team and they keep trying to not only kill him but keep mentally ruining him. Had they actually tried to help he'd probably be a good guy instead of a dead psycho.
I argue he did try to help. The SHIELD team fucked up every aspect of his custody, they kept him in solitary for six months despite his obvious mental and emotionally instability, they offered him no psychiatric care for his suicidal tendencies, they sold him to his abuser WHILE emotionally manipulating him, they tried to kill him multiple times including at least once when he was in custody and then they sit there cussing him out from an ivory tower they in no way earned. This show suffers from severe protagonist centered morality, all that shit is what the VILLAINS are supposed to do.
jockadoobee They did sell him to his abuser. Christian would give them good publicity for a price. That price was Grant Ward, who they gave away without concern.
jockadoobee: Yeah dude I don't like Trump and I loathe the Alt Right. I'm a died in the wool leftist to my core. Yet I'm not gonna just shrug away from problematic issues in television shows when I see them and they totally did trade him off to his abuser which is really unsettling when you think about the messages behind that. It tells us that it's 'okay' for the heroes to work with a child abuser provided they have enough of a grudge against their victim. Ward did bad things but he needed actual help and therapy. He was mentally unstable, and if you don't have a problem with working with child abusers, solitary confinement, waterboarding (Fitz), and refusing to provide therapy for someone's multiple suicide attempts. Ward may have been 'the bad guy' but what the show endorsed by never talking about it *really* pissed me off.
After all this further rejection and abuse, it's no wonder he became a murderous psycho in the next season
Comparing Ward to Candyman. I thought that was an interesting. Maybe if she said ward's name four more times before he showed up I would have found that to be pretty funny.
2:02 No Ward, you ain't regretting that.
when Skye said " I'm still happy I shot you" and Fitz said " me too" I don't remember when Fitz ever shot Ward.. Correct me if I'm wrong
+myana nguyen oooh makes more sense.. thanks
+XAVIFan no problem :)
Fitz didn't shot Ward, he's happy than Skye did. She did that all they want
Tbh to this day I am still not sure what was Grant’s deal.
*happy sigh* Watching the Bus family united again (no, NOT Ward, the rest of them) and reacting as a true team makes me smile. That closeness has been very missed.
Ward not a bad guy,he's just a rogue agent who's done some bad things I think he deserves to be forgiven
+Mighty Pac-Man Forgiven? For torturing Bobbi? Trying to kill Hunter? Trying to kill May? Using a brainwashed Shield Agent to rape and do his dirty work? Betraying the team and shield? Pushing Fitz and Simmons to their certain death in the middle of the ocean thereby giving Fitz brain damage? Kidnapping Skye twice and threatening to rape her twice? Killing Hand? Unleashing bad people into the world from the Fridge? Killing innocent guards? Killing his family? Hmmm .........let me see. I don't think so. He is evil. A very bad guy. And now apparently head of hydra - an organization bent on taking over the world that is based in nazism. So no, Just no. The sooner someone takes him out - the better.
If ward sacrificed himself to save the team would you think that it would be a bad choice
+Mighty Pac-Man Why would Ward sacrifice himself for anyone. He has done nothing up to now to suggest he would ever do that. Even his 'apology' to the team in this clip is all about Ward and poor Ward and he takes absolutely no responsibility for his actions. Everyone on the team hates him. So your question will never come to fruition. The writers say Ward is a villain and has very litle chance for redemption or to be forgiven by his team.
I believe that ward is not villain and I don't believe that he be the head of hydra.I stand with ward because nobody else will.the writers also said that he will be redeemed by the team and he should be.the team has no right to be mad at ward especially That backstabbing bi**** Simmons,she got what she deserved for what she did to him.
I don't believe ward is a bad guy but if they kill him off the show I'm moving on to dc
I hate like they still can't forgive him I think Ward deserve forgivness
Odin and Frank Castle were forgiven for the same shit
Circustances lead to a good or bad path,and he tried to help the team with the intel within the cage the team is just a bunch of grudgy hypocrites that paved the way to ward's villain path and may sealed the deal when she tricked kara to use her face so ward could shoot'may' they're worst than ward could ever be and if anyone tries to talk back at me of the contrary I'll just ignore you like the team ignored his attempts of good actions
He was still lying
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after season 1 the writer really didnt know what to do with ward
Yeah Ward just don't talk. Coulson.
I'm tired of these mother lover snakes on this motherloving plane!!! Fury if he we're leading the mission.