I wonder who has control of these original film negatives??? The 16mm film footage from this game is in serious need of restoration and remastering. I bet it would look like brand new footage if they were to do that....
They feared that they would have forfeited the game if they did that. The fix was in for this one, they were ending up with silver either way. Even though no one on the team has accepted the medal, they are called by the Olympic Committee yearly to receive their medals.
Even if the officials were correct in putting 3 secs back up the first time, these violations still occurred: 1. Doug Collins lay-up was goal-tending. In international play, you're allowed to knock ball off rim, but Soviet player slapped ball as it came off backboard. 2. Illegal timeout by Soviets. 3. Inbounder steps over baseline on his long pass before ball is touched. 4. Watch closely: Belov walks with ball before his shot. Steps sideways twice.
(1) yes ... he also touched the net which is not allowed in FIBA with a ball in the immediate area.. Not sure what the sportsmen like or intentional foul rule was back then, but the tunnel by the Soviet could have been close to it ... --> 2 shots and the ball back (??). (2) No - it's been proven with film, and admitted by the bench officials, that Soviets did everything right in requesting the timeout but the bench official was to slow in blowing the horn between the free throws. However, they did make an illegal sub (by mistake it's widely thought), with the in-bounder having been permitted to sub in when they requested, but it should have been dis-allowed. That player had made the exact same pass to the same big guy for a last second win in a European game just a few weeks prior.. so you can see why Soviets anted him out there.. (3) Perhaps - looks like he may have - this was the umpires chance to claim his authority back by calling the violation and therefore allowing US to most probably win, as he had wanted to award the game to the US before being over-ruled and bullied by the senior FIBA official with no authority over the game . (4) You can't see in this footage, but to me it looked like he landed left-right, then pivoted on his grounded left towards the basket with his right and banking it in. Very standard and fundamental skill that I'd be surprised if he stuffed it up - especially back in those days when they drilled those basic skills to death at almost every practice ...
For example, benz samira told this in French ... I don't know French, but Google Translate knows: " an epic and historic match with basketball players of normal morphology."
The horrible and exceedingly pro-Soviet decision making at the end of the 1972 Munich Olympics Gold Medal basketball game between the USA and the Soviet Union was a perfect example of the old expression, "highway robbery"! Under the international rules governing amateur basketball back then, a coach of a team had to press a button which would light up at the scorer's table to request a timeout! The Soviet coach failed to press that button - so no timeout should have been awarded by the game officials, and even when they awarded the Soviet Union a timeout, no more than 1 second should have been put back on the clock not 3 seconds! The USA team was absolutely right - not only in their contention that they got royally screwed at the end of that game, but also in refusing to accept their silver medals!
@@johnburns4017 The only thing more cringeworthy is the ridiculous way the Soviets were declared "the winner." Anyone aware of the rules would conclude the American players had every reason to refuse silver medals when they earned gold.
@@roberteugene7295 Randy Harvey of the LA Times, *_"The Americans thought at every turn they had been cheated. They probably hadn't been but they still haven't acknowledged that."_* *1.* The Soviet's bench called a timeout when Collins was on the court's floor running into the scaffolding, after being fouled. *3 seconds remain.* *2.* The Soviet bench *did not* call timeout between Collins' two foul shots, or after when the Soviets went up the court. It was *before* these two events. *3.* The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk they called and wanted a timeout. They were being ignored. *4.* Collins puts the USA ahead with his two baskets. *5.* The horn sounds before Collins pops the second - an odd time for the horn to sound. The horn sounded as the ball had left Collins' hands. *6.* The sounding horn was an acknowledgement that a Soviet timeout should have been awarded earlier. The Soviets did not call timeout illegally between Collins' two shots. Soviet coaches were on the line indicating they want a timeout, making *"T"* signs with their hands. *7.* Play _quickly_ resumed after Collins scores, with *3 seconds remaining,* with a Soviet inbound *_(1st)._* The Soviet bench were still on the line rightly protesting that they wanted a timeout (called before Collins' baskets & acknowledged by the horn) and that it was being ignored. *8.* There was *1 second remaining.* The ref stops play at 1 second remaining seeing the Soviet bench pointing to him making the *"T"* signs with their hands. *9.* The ref saw this error annulling the inbound, then setting the clock back to 3 secs taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, *_(2nd),_* resetting play. *3 seconds now remain.* The ref could have started the game at 1 sec remaining, however taking the ball back to the line means the time has to be reset back to 3 seconds. Now back to the state of play and time after Collins scored. *10.* The ref never gave the Soviet timeout, which he should have done. At this point the Soviets are being cheated. *11.* The Bulgarian umpire, not the Brazilian ref, resumed play before the clock was reset to 3 secs, allowing play to resume at 1 sec on the unset clock with the *_(2nd)_* Soviet inbound. *12.* The US thought the game was over with them winning as the horn was sounded after 1 second. *13.* The Ref saw the errors of: a) not resetting the clock b) resuming play without his authority. He is in charge not the umpire. *14.* The ref puts matters right, annulling the inbound, resetting the clock to *3 seconds* taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, the *_(3rd)._* *There is nothing wrong with that decision.* *15.* The US players fully understood that the clock had not been reset and why play was being resumed. *3 seconds remain.* *16.* The Soviets threw the ball up the court from their *_(3rd)_* inbound which was flawless, popping the winning basket within 3 seconds. *Winners !!* *The ref did most right - he saw two errors and put matters right.* He should have done more, annulled Collins scores and taken play back to the point that Collins was on the floor when the Soviets called timeout, giving the Soviets the timeout they called for. After the Soviet timeout Collins could take his two free throws again. Or the Soviets could have the timeout between Collins' two throws. The ref was unaware that the Soviets called timeout when Collins was on the floor, the scorer on the desk never informed him. The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk they called for a timeout making *"T"* signs with their hands. The USA team were beaten fairly. *The USA gripe -* was that Jones the FIBA head, went down to the scorers table and suggested that the clock be reset to 3 secs from 1 sec, as it should have been. The ref was doing this anyhow, so Jones' indications of three fingers in the air was irrelevant. He could have suggested taking the play back to the Soviet timeout call, which would have been the fair and right thing to do, as the Soviet timeout was called when Collins was on the floor before he popped the baskets. Jones never. The ref had no need to take any notice of anyone, he was 100% in command. The whole court was in pandemonium, with thousands shouting at him what to do. The court was full of non-playing people. In those situations refs take control doing what is in their heads. *The Soviet gripe -* was that their timeout call, when Collins was on the floor, before Collins pooped the two baskets, was ignored. They only got 2 seconds more in compensation - that was it - well it was just taking play and time back to the point Collins scored. They never got the timeout they called for with even a horn sounding for it. They got *nothing.* They made full use of the 3 seconds when play was put back to the position after Collins' scored, so were satisfied. They won despite being hard done by.
@@johnburns4017 Mr. Burns, we've been over this ground before. *Jones didn't 'suggest' anything. All you attribute to the referee (Renato Rhigetto, of Brazil) was actually done on Jones' orders.* Everything you say hinges on the idea that the Soviets actually called a timeout in a timely manner, and there is no independent confirmation of that, plus compelling evidence that they didn't. The fact remains that Rhigetto waved off the request when he received it, which is in accordance with the rules. Soviet assistant coach Sergei Bashkin, in violation of the rules, exited the bench area and accosted the scorer (Tenschert) at his table. This occurred as play resumed, in accordance with the rules. Rhigetto, seeing the disturbance at the scorer's table, whistled for a stop of play. Hearing the Soviets protest that they had called a timeout during the stoppage, Rhigetto correctly ruled that the timeout request had not been in accordance with the rules and would not be honored. Rhigetto had, under the rules, the option of assessing a technical foul against the Soviets, which would have effectively ended the game. He decided against it, and ruled that one second remained, the Soviets would inbound the ball where play stopped, near midcourt. *In direct violation of FIBA rules, Jones personally appeared at the scorer's table, AND BY HIS OWN ADMISSION* ordered the officials to reset the clock to 3 seconds (IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULES), with the Soviets inbounding the ball from the end line. The Soviets then inserted guard Ivan Edeschko for center Alzhan Zarmukamedov to make the desperation heave to Alexandr Belov *in direct violation of the rules.* U.S. center Tom McMillen guarded the inbound so aggressively that the inbound went to nearby Sergei Belov, who heaved the ball towards the basket, missing. Rhigetto, still the referee, ruled the game over. However, Jones STILL AT THE SCORER'S TABLE, *ORDERED* the inbound be replayed because the scoreboard clock hadn't been reset. This is a mere excuse, time was kept on the floor (at the scorer's table), but the announcement was made *ON JONES' ORDERS.* This is, to repeat in *DIRECT VIOLATION* of FIBA rules. *By his own admission, Jones had acted in violation of rules he swore to uphold.* The final play is what we see at the declared end. Jones had one more violation up his sleeve to protect the result from his interference, which was to appoint Ferenc Hepp to the appeal committee, in violation of FIBA rules. Hepp represented a country (Hungary) that had no team in the 1972 Munich games, a requirement of FIBA rules. His was the deciding vote in the committee, which voted 3-2 to deny the American appeal. These facts nullifies the ridiculous assertions of Harvey in his error-filled article. No Soviet timeout was called, couldn't be honored, and Jones interfered *BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.* Stick to the facts. They prove you wrong.
Really, the Mona Lisa of sports action video. It's a real time shot, but you couldn't shoot it better in a thousand rehearsed takes of a Twilight Zone episode.
Wait they had 3 seconds the first time they tried and missed. Then got another 3 seconds? So they didn't even take a second to do the drive before the one they scored and won on? Could have been 1 second at best left. Not 3.
They should've been given 3 seconds but were given only 1 second by mistake from whoever is in charge of the clock. That's why they were given 3 seconds "again". Still quite controversial though.
1) The first move does not even exist, because a timeout was requested earlier. Both college and NBA players play the Olympics with FIBA rules, when they have never done so before. It is a problem, but it is not the fault of the rest. NBA players solve those problems because they are far above the rest. 2) In the second play the clock was set to 1 second, when it was 3 seconds. 3) In the third play, the USA were puzzled by everything that happened, they got very confused.
_"3) In the third play, the USA were puzzled by everything that happened, they got very confused."_ The American players knew full well that the clock had not been reset when it should have, with play being put back and resuming. They understood and accepted that.
@@johnburns4017 My apologies again, but you know full well that the clock, under 1972 FIBA rules, should not have been reset at all. Interference by R. William Jones, in direct violation of FIBA rules, is the only reason that this occurred. Team USA has every right to refuse to accept those silver medals due to this intentional interference in overruling the on-court officials.
@Boker A The timeout you refer to could not be honored. The request was received at the scorer's table after the ball was placed in Collins' hands for his second foul shot. The Soviets claim that they requested this timeout during the time after the foul to Collins, but there is no independent confirmation of this, and much evidence that this is a falsehood. The referee, Renato Rhigetto, correctly ruled once he was aware of the request that the game would continue without the timeout. It was R. William Jones who, in direct violation of FIBA rules, ordered the clock and game reset to the point where the Soviets were to inbound the ball after Collins' foul shots. This is the source of the controversy, and Hans Tenschert, the official scorer, bluntly stated that, "under FIBA rules, the Americans won."
@@johnburns4017 Under the rules, it could *NOT.* The only individual "making things up" is *you.* Renato William Jones, who had no authority, ordered this done in direct violation of rules he swore to uphold.
At 3:45 the Soviets threw the ball inbounds and we hear the final horn after the ball touched the circle. In other videos we hear the final horn (which has a slightly different sound) just after inbounding the ball , suggesting it was a mistake from the score table since there was 3 seconds left. See this video at 3:15. th-cam.com/video/5FDiJHE2p_U/w-d-xo.html So, why in the video posted here the sound of the final horn is different and at a different time ?
One is produced by Americans and the other by Soviets... obviously there is bias and the Soviets would never allow themselves to be undermined like that
Maybe I am taking this a little personal that's because I want and honest response not some fake crap.the soviet tm won fair and square and maybe it was time for the U.S to lose.sooner or later it was bound to happen I guess and this was no fault of the soviet tm of what events took place on the sidelines that made this such a controversial BB game. It's a pity that the U.S tm got caught up in one person's nonsense(William jones). the soviets made a great play long pass and shoot reminiscent of the 92 duke vs kentucky game with 1 exception controversy.
At the end of the match the refereeing performance and the table were a disaster. But I think only Americans think it was a robbery. It would have been a robbery if they did not grant time out to U.R.S.S. and to play a single second when it was three seconds. That would have been a robbery. The ending was very puzzling and unfortunate, but not a robbery.
Incorrect. The entire fiasco was due to the the intervention of R. William Jones, who acted in violation of the rules that he swore to uphold. He overruled the on-court officials, who FIBA rules say have absolute authority over games in progress.
@@__-oq8gz I say this because I'm not sure you understand the rules from 1972, they were so different. Once the ball was in Collins' hands for the foul shots, no timeout request could be honored. The Soviets had to call it during the break after the foul and before the ball was handed to Collins for his first foul shot. The request could then be honored either before the first foul shot or in between the two foul shots. Once Collins sank the second foul shot, Artnik Arabadjian (the umpire) correctly ordered the Soviets to inbound the ball, as the rules required. No timeout was permitted.
@@__-oq8gz Actually, the only officiating that clearly favored the Soviets was the interference of R. William Jones. FIBA rules clearly forbade his interference, yet he did it anyway, overruling the on-court officials (namely, the referee, Renato Rhigetto of Brasil).
As an Englishman- I don't watch a lot of Basketball but here's what I thought: After the buzzer went initially and America was declared the winner, why didn't the coach just take them off the court? They legitimately won?
@@DannyBoy777777 Actually, they did. The on-court officials, who by FIBA rules have absolute authority over a game in progress, were overruled by Renato William Jones, Secretary General of FIBA; who acted in direct violation of FIBA rules he swore to uphold.
I would like you to see some games from the 80s and 90s of clubs in Europe. When you were facing Italian and Yugoslav clubs on their courts, a little later the Greek clubs were added as well. There if there were real robberies, with the referees totally intimidated with the environment.
I hope you found the story interesting...We did a lot of research on it. I was a big basketball fan and was hoping Bill Walton the UCLA was going to be on the team
I used to feel disgusted when I heard about the USA team storming out and refusing their medals in '72. Watching this I now understand why, and if I were in that situation, I'd probably have refused my medal, too.
@@johnburns4017 Incorrect. Without the direct interference of someone who, under FIBA rules he swore to uphold, had no authority over a game in progress. *"Under FIBA rules, the Americans won."* -Hans Tenschert, official scorer, 1972 Olympic basketball final
It's actually from Bud's film "Memorable Moments" The Olympiad series version had Tom McMillan tell his version of what happened....Bud was a great storyteller and a great mentor to me.
@@jamessollazzo4860 David Perry, Bud's brother, had passed away before this video was competed. It's narrated by Lloyd Moss....you know your Bud Greenspan films! Thank you
that story didn't tell the full picture .... The Soviets had some genuine issues once the umpire decided to stop the game with 1 s still to play. Soviets time out request to the bench was sent but not acted on quickly enough by the bench officials i.e. blow horn between the two free throws, and when they decided to replay the 3s the first time, only 1s was put back on the clock and so the siren went off early... There seemed to be a whole heap of errors made from many people, but not really any from the coaches or players of both sides. Although why the US decided to not defend the inbound on the last successful pass was ridiculously dumb, as it gave the Russians a clear passing lane, without which the play was near impossible in that era of the game. All in all, my understanding is US should have won the gold. Timeouts being missed are frustrating but still an occasional part of the game even today, so play on from that perspective. The umpire who stopped the game with 1s to go, opened up the whole can of worms, but the biggest failure was the the FIBA official who came from his seat in the grandstand to overrule the bench and umpires who were going to award the US with the win before he bullied them and over-ruled. He had zero authority or right to do so however, and should not have used his hierarchy to 'pull rank' so to speak. I understand the FIBA official lived to admit his wrongdoing, apologised and regretted it for many years. Also the big guy who made the winning shot, was a very humble and much loved guy who built great relationships with many of the US players and coaches before he tragically died in his 40s from cancer ...
Other than the fact that the Miracle on Ice isn't one of the most controversial wins in Olympic history. The US legitimately defeated the Soviets in hockey. This "win" by the Soviet's was complete BS.
Hi Michael... Who owns the rights to this footage? We are working on a 1970s basketball film and would like to use about 10 seconds of this video footage. Thanks Dean
@@michaelschanzer8190 Hi Michael... I see several individuals with your exact same name on Linkedin. Please contact me via email at dstoneharbor@gmail.com
That was an intentional very dangerous defensive hard foul from below with the offensive player in the air on way to the basket. Therefore, it should have been after the free throws, USA keeps the ball. That was the first cheat. The illegal time out, second cheat. The first additional 3 seconds, the third cheat. The second additional 3 seconds, the fourth cheat. Reply
Uh, really? What was their record against the United States? In fact, in 1968 and 1976, they weren't even good enough to make the gold medal game, beaten by Yugoslavia both times. How embarrassing, how embarrassing! LOL
Hahaha, the Soviets are nowhere near the best in Olympic basketball. Their 1972 team would have been crushed by the best American players. USA didn't even have their best amateur players in this game.
One U.S. player felt that if the U.S. played a fast paced game, they would have ran the Soviets back to Russia. One key player, center Swen Nater quit the team because he was lost weight and felt he was starved, the coaches would not bend at all and make any changes.
To this day, the silver medals sit in a Swiss vault, unclaimed. Many players even have it in their wills that their families are forbidden to claim them. Damn right. They were screwed FIVE TIMES. And WTF is a Brit doing in charge of an American sport? AND WTF do Hungary, Poland and Cuba know about basketball?!
@@deadded5793 The "game judge" was the appeal committee, which had (as the deciding vote) a man appointed to it in violation of the rules of FIBA. Had that committee been properly seated (at hand was a member of the West German FIBA delegation, an easy choice), the vote would have been to uphold the American protest and nullify the Soviet basket. Obviously, this would have produced the result that the on-court officials repeatedly said was correct. *Under FIBA rules, the Americans won.* -Hans Tenschert, official scorer, 1972 Olympic basketball final *The result of that game and the appeal committee was entirely outside of the rules of the game of basketball.* -Renato Rhigetto, referee, 1972 Olympic basketball final
@@roberteugene7295 so what? Your country was always known for racism and hate towards soviets. No wonder that your government decides that they want to change the ruling afterwards. However, no one cares about it, except freaks like you.
The game shouldn't have been close enough for The U.S. to lose, even though it was using college players. Bad coaching and bad, ragged playing are what lost the game.
Except for the time it should have counted (and, under FIBA rules, would have but for the interference of someone with no authority to do so), the last 3 seconds. In truth, the Soviets cracked under the pressure as soon as Team USA began using pressure defense and a more up-tempo offense.
@@PVMZ Incorrect. The additional time was added in violation of the rules on orders from Renato William Jones, who under FIBA rules was illegally interfering with a game in progress.
@@PVMZ *"The ending of that game and the committee decision afterwards was entirely outside of the rules of the game of basketball."* Renato Rhigetto (Brasil), referee, final game, 1972 Olympics.
Randy Harvey of the LA Times, *_"The Americans thought at every turn they had been cheated. They probably hadn't been but they still haven't acknowledged that."_* *1.* The Soviet's bench called a timeout when Collins was on the court's floor running into the scaffolding, after being fouled. *3 seconds remain.* *2.* The Soviet bench *did not* call timeout between Collins' two foul shots, or after when the Soviets went up the court. It was *before* these two events. *3.* The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk, they called and wanted a timeout. They were being ignored. *4.* Collins puts the USA ahead with his two baskets. *5.* The horn sounds before Collins pops the second - an odd time for the horn to sound. The horn sounded as the ball had left Collins' hands. *6.* The sounding horn was an acknowledgement that a Soviet timeout should have been awarded earlier. The Soviets did not call timeout illegally between Collins' two shots. Soviet coaches were on the line indicating they want a timeout, making *"T"* signs with their hands. *7.* Play _quickly_ resumed after Collins scores, with *3 seconds remaining,* with a Soviet inbound *_(1st)._* The Soviet bench were still on the line rightly protesting that they wanted a timeout (called before Collins' baskets & acknowledged by the horn) and that it was being ignored. *8.* There was *1 second remaining.* The ref stops play at 1 second remaining seeing the Soviet bench pointing to him making the *"T"* signs with their hands. *9.* The ref saw this error annulling the inbound, then setting the clock back to 3 secs taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, *_(2nd),_* resetting play. *3 seconds now remain.* The ref could have started the game at 1 sec remaining, however taking the ball back to the line means the time has to be reset back to 3 seconds. Now back to the state of play and time after Collins scored. *10.* The ref never gave the Soviet timeout, which he should have done. At this point the Soviets are being cheated. *11.* The Bulgarian umpire, not the Brazilian ref, resumed play before the clock was reset to 3 secs, allowing play to resume at 1 sec on the unset clock with the *_(2nd)_* Soviet inbound. *12.* The US thought the game was over with them winning as the horn was sounded after 1 second. *13.* The Ref saw the errors of: a) not resetting the clock b) resuming play without his authority. He is in charge not the umpire. *14.* The ref puts matters right, annulling the inbound, resetting the clock to *3 seconds* taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, the *_(3rd)._* *There is nothing wrong with that decision.* *15.* The US players fully understood that the clock had not been reset and why play was being resumed. *3 seconds remain.* *16.* The Soviets threw the ball up the court from their *_(3rd)_* inbound which was flawless, popping the winning basket within 3 seconds. *Winners !!* *The ref did most right - he saw two errors and put matters right.* He should have done more, annulled Collins scores and taken play back to the point that Collins was on the floor when the Soviets called timeout, giving the Soviets the timeout they called for. After the Soviet timeout Collins could take his two free throws again. Or the Soviets could have the timeout between Collins' two throws. The ref was unaware that the Soviets called timeout when Collins was on the floor, the scorer on the desk never informed him. The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk they called for a timeout making *"T"* signs with their hands. The USA team were beaten fairly. *The USA gripe -* was that Jones the FIBA head, went down to the scorers table and suggested that the clock be reset to 3 secs from 1 sec, as it should have been. The ref was doing this anyhow, so Jones' indications of three fingers in the air was irrelevant. He could have suggested taking the play back to the Soviet timeout call, which would have been the fair and right thing to do, as the Soviet timeout was called when Collins was on the floor before he popped the baskets. Jones never. The ref had no need to take any notice of anyone, he was 100% in command. The whole court was in pandemonium, with thousands shouting at him what to do. The court was full of non-playing people. In those situations refs take control doing what is in their heads. *The Soviet gripe -* was that their timeout call, when Collins was on the floor, before Collins pooped the two baskets, was ignored. They only got 2 seconds more in compensation - that was it - well it was just taking play and time back to the point Collins scored. They never got the timeout they called for with even a horn sounding for it. They got *nothing.* They made full use of the 3 seconds when play was put back to the position after Collins' scored, so were satisfied. They won despite being hard done by.
John I really appreciate your detailed description of what happened during that game. I was a big basketball fan especially college and was disappointed that when the USA team was announced that Bill Walton decided not to play on that team. One note, notice that 6'11" Tom McMillen is standing a half court when the ball is passed in....he was supposed to be guarding the Russian player who passed the ball in, why is he not there?
@@michaelschanzer5694 The Americans thought they had won it against the run of play being second best from the beginning. They could not believe they were in the lead for the first time in the game, with seconds left. The Soviets thought otherwise. The sad part of this is that Belov, who scored the winner, died only six years later.
@@michaelschanzer5694 The team that was disadvantaged by incorrect application of the rules was the USSR. They never got the timeout they called for. *Three Soviet inbounds:* *1) After Collins puts the USA ahead -* Soviet bench protest on the line at not being awarded their called timeout, holding their hand to a *"T"* shape - as the inbound was taken. Referee sees the protests stopping play at 1 second remaining. Ref realises a mistake, but ignores the Soviet protests to reset play back to before Collins scored when the timeout was called. Ref orders to retake the inbound resetting play back to the inbound after Collins scored, which means taking the clock back to 3 seconds; *2) Retaken before clock was reset to 3 seconds -* Play stopped. Ref rightly orders inbound to be retaken again; *3) Retaken legally -* The clock is now reset to 3 seconds. Soviet inbound down the court, they score. Soviets win.
@@johnburns4017 We've been over this ground before. This is entirely inaccurate. *Only the Soviets themselves claim that the timeout was requested on time.* Once alerted to the request, Renato Rhigetto, the referee, correctly ruled that the request could not be honored. Then came the *illegal intervention* of R. William Jones, who violated the very rules he swore to uphold, then *admitted to knowingly violating those rules.*
@@roberteugene7295 Jones' actions were not illegal. The ref was in charge he is the man in total control. The Soviets called timeout, not being given one.
They did defend the all the final shots. If you look at the final attempt the ref tells McMillian to step way back for the inbound pass. He’s actually at mid court when the last inbound pass is thrown making a clear pass to Belov.
@@michaelschanzer1534 yes, you are right about that. McMillen says ref told him to back off but ref later says he couldn’t speak English so how could he have told McMillen that ? McMillen should have stayed right on inbounds pass. But the biggest travesty, and one no one ever mentions, is that the two players next to A. Belov on the winning play were the guards Kevin Joyce and Forbes. Why put two guards on a tall man when you know a long pass is coming. USA had Tom Burleson, Bobby Jones, Mike Bantom and other tall players who could have surrounded Belov and made him catching the pass much more difficult. Terrible oversight. Granted it was chaos but what were 2 guards doing defending what was absolutely going to be the final play ? Despite obvious bias, the Soviets weren’t getting a FOURTH chance if third didn’t work. Iba and his assistants were worthless at the most crucial time. The USA was robbed but they still share some blame for this travesty.
Soviets deserved them 3 seconds to be fair. They were destinied to win this tournament. With all respect to USA, you guys are clearly best our there for life in Basketball. But in 72' Soviets were destinied to win. Even with 1 point difference. By the way, Russians made a great movie about this story. Like really good. It's called "Three Seconds", you can find it in IMBD because it's translated from "движение вверх".
They're such cry babies. Soviets beat them fair and square. Dough Collins knows nothing about international basketball rules. Everything he said was false.
WOW THIS video is manipulated , at 3:45 , the horn sounds just after the ball touches the circle of the basket , actually in the real video sounds the horn sounds just 1 second after the ball is alive
1:27 not only a flagrant 1 foul, but also basket interference. The bucket should've counted, plus the And1... End of argument. The refs cheated history of the real ending. The U.S. was right to flip them the bird @ the ceremony.
Exactly! I was wondering why no one else was talking about that. Collins should’ve been given 2 points and a free throw! That’s the real injustice of this game.
@@Olegchert Americans love the Chinese and Russian people. I know so many Russians who work in the United States. They are honestly some of the kindest most hard working most honest people I have ever met!
I do not know where you are from, you seem Spanish like me, but surely you do not live in a communist country and if you live in a communist country you will surely be of the predominant caste.
They still have refused the silver medals - and the players have told their families never to accept them
I saw that game in 1972 and I'm still pissed off.
Yo también lo vi
en 1972 y sigo feliz. Tengo 62 años. 🧠💪🇷🇺🇷🇺
I wonder who has control of these original film negatives??? The 16mm film footage from this game is in serious need of restoration and remastering. I bet it would look like brand new footage if they were to do that....
yeeeaaah, but 'm thinking FIBA and IOC would prefer to keep it fuzzy ..
Well, at least it wasn't the *greatest* tragedy of The Munich Olympics.
True. It puts it in perspective.
The whole USA Team should have simply abandoned the basketball court after the game was originally over.
They feared that they would have forfeited the game if they did that. The fix was in for this one, they were ending up with silver either way. Even though no one on the team has accepted the medal, they are called by the Olympic Committee yearly to receive their medals.
Even if the officials were correct in putting 3 secs back up the first time, these violations still occurred:
1. Doug Collins lay-up was goal-tending. In international play, you're allowed to knock ball off rim, but Soviet player slapped ball as it came off backboard.
2. Illegal timeout by Soviets.
3. Inbounder steps over baseline on his long pass before ball is touched.
4. Watch closely: Belov walks with ball before his shot. Steps sideways twice.
(1) yes ... he also touched the net which is not allowed in FIBA with a ball in the immediate area.. Not sure what the sportsmen like or intentional foul rule was back then, but the tunnel by the Soviet could have been close to it ... --> 2 shots and the ball back (??).
(2) No - it's been proven with film, and admitted by the bench officials, that Soviets did everything right in requesting the timeout but the bench official was to slow in blowing the horn between the free throws. However, they did make an illegal sub (by mistake it's widely thought), with the in-bounder having been permitted to sub in when they requested, but it should have been dis-allowed. That player had made the exact same pass to the same big guy for a last second win in a European game just a few weeks prior.. so you can see why Soviets anted him out there..
(3) Perhaps - looks like he may have - this was the umpires chance to claim his authority back by calling the violation and therefore allowing US to most probably win, as he had wanted to award the game to the US before being over-ruled and bullied by the senior FIBA official with no authority over the game .
(4) You can't see in this footage, but to me it looked like he landed left-right, then pivoted on his grounded left towards the basket with his right and banking it in. Very standard and fundamental skill that I'd be surprised if he stuffed it up - especially back in those days when they drilled those basic skills to death at almost every practice ...
beautiful video footage ! Maybe anyone knows from what documentary this video was cut?
3 seconds is a huge time in basketball.
It is a lot of time and should not have been allowed according to the rules
@@will6996 canastón que les metio' el Ruso ...
@@juancastillonb
Try that in English, sir.
@@roberteugene7295 see Google Translate
For example, benz samira told this in French ... I don't know French, but Google Translate knows: " an epic and historic match with basketball players of normal morphology."
When was the interview with the American player filmed?
That’s Doug Collins. He played with Dr J on the Sixers. Coached Jordan. In March 2024 his kid is a coach
When was this documentary original broadcast, 1992?.
yes 1992, but there was an earlier version with Tom McMillen giving his account of the event in the Olympiad series "The Big Ones that Got Away"
Just think, if Walton and Dr. J had played the USA would've won by 30.
The horrible and exceedingly pro-Soviet decision making at the end of the 1972 Munich Olympics Gold Medal basketball game between the USA and the Soviet Union was a perfect example of the old expression, "highway robbery"! Under the international rules governing amateur basketball back then, a coach of a team had to press a button which would light up at the scorer's table to request a timeout! The Soviet coach failed to press that button - so no timeout should have been awarded by the game officials, and even when they awarded the Soviet Union a timeout, no more than 1 second should have been put back on the clock not 3 seconds! The USA team was absolutely right - not only in their contention that they got royally screwed at the end of that game, but also in refusing to accept their silver medals!
When I watched this live, I assumed that IBA was the Soviet coach; he had that "face" of an old Russian! 😅
That circular panning shot of Coach Iba immediately after Russia stole the victory is just fantastic!
The while vid is focusing on the USA side. It is so biased it is cringeworthy.
@@johnburns4017
The only thing more cringeworthy is the ridiculous way the Soviets were declared "the winner." Anyone aware of the rules would conclude the American players had every reason to refuse silver medals when they earned gold.
@@roberteugene7295
Randy Harvey of the LA Times, *_"The Americans thought at every turn they had been cheated. They probably hadn't been but they still haven't acknowledged that."_*
*1.* The Soviet's bench called a timeout when Collins was on the court's floor running into the scaffolding, after being fouled. *3 seconds remain.*
*2.* The Soviet bench *did not* call timeout between Collins' two foul shots, or after when the Soviets went up the court. It was *before* these two events.
*3.* The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk they called and wanted a timeout. They were being ignored.
*4.* Collins puts the USA ahead with his two baskets.
*5.* The horn sounds before Collins pops the second - an odd time for the horn to sound. The horn sounded as the ball had left Collins' hands.
*6.* The sounding horn was an acknowledgement that a Soviet timeout should have been awarded earlier. The Soviets did not call timeout illegally between Collins' two shots. Soviet coaches were on the line indicating they want a timeout, making *"T"* signs with their hands.
*7.* Play _quickly_ resumed after Collins scores, with *3 seconds remaining,* with a Soviet inbound *_(1st)._* The Soviet bench were still on the line rightly protesting that they wanted a timeout (called before Collins' baskets & acknowledged by the horn) and that it was being ignored.
*8.* There was *1 second remaining.* The ref stops play at 1 second remaining seeing the Soviet bench pointing to him making the *"T"* signs with their hands.
*9.* The ref saw this error annulling the inbound, then setting the clock back to 3 secs taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, *_(2nd),_* resetting play. *3 seconds now remain.* The ref could have started the game at 1 sec remaining, however taking the ball back to the line means the time has to be reset back to 3 seconds. Now back to the state of play and time after Collins scored.
*10.* The ref never gave the Soviet timeout, which he should have done. At this point the Soviets are being cheated.
*11.* The Bulgarian umpire, not the Brazilian ref, resumed play before the clock was reset to 3 secs, allowing play to resume at 1 sec on the unset clock with the *_(2nd)_* Soviet inbound.
*12.* The US thought the game was over with them winning as the horn was sounded after 1 second.
*13.* The Ref saw the errors of:
a) not resetting the clock
b) resuming play without his authority.
He is in charge not the umpire.
*14.* The ref puts matters right, annulling the inbound, resetting the clock to *3 seconds* taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, the *_(3rd)._* *There is nothing wrong with that decision.*
*15.* The US players fully understood that the clock had not been reset and why play was being resumed. *3 seconds remain.*
*16.* The Soviets threw the ball up the court from their *_(3rd)_* inbound which was flawless, popping the winning basket within 3 seconds.
*Winners !!*
*The ref did most right - he saw two errors and put matters right.* He should have done more, annulled Collins scores and taken play back to the point that Collins was on the floor when the Soviets called timeout, giving the Soviets the timeout they called for.
After the Soviet timeout Collins could take his two free throws again. Or the Soviets could have the timeout between Collins' two throws. The ref was unaware that the Soviets called timeout when Collins was on the floor, the scorer on the desk never informed him. The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk they called for a timeout making *"T"* signs with their hands. The USA team were beaten fairly.
*The USA gripe -* was that Jones the FIBA head, went down to the scorers table and suggested that the clock be reset to 3 secs from 1 sec, as it should have been. The ref was doing this anyhow, so Jones' indications of three fingers in the air was irrelevant. He could have suggested taking the play back to the Soviet timeout call, which would have been the fair and right thing to do, as the Soviet timeout was called when Collins was on the floor before he popped the baskets. Jones never.
The ref had no need to take any notice of anyone, he was 100% in command. The whole court was in pandemonium, with thousands shouting at him what to do. The court was full of non-playing people. In those situations refs take control doing what is in their heads.
*The Soviet gripe -* was that their timeout call, when Collins was on the floor, before Collins pooped the two baskets, was ignored. They only got 2 seconds more in compensation - that was it - well it was just taking play and time back to the point Collins scored. They never got the timeout they called for with even a horn sounding for it. They got *nothing.* They made full use of the 3 seconds when play was put back to the position after Collins' scored, so were satisfied. They won despite being hard done by.
@@johnburns4017
Mr. Burns, we've been over this ground before. *Jones didn't 'suggest' anything. All you attribute to the referee (Renato Rhigetto, of Brazil) was actually done on Jones' orders.*
Everything you say hinges on the idea that the Soviets actually called a timeout in a timely manner, and there is no independent confirmation of that, plus compelling evidence that they didn't.
The fact remains that Rhigetto waved off the request when he received it, which is in accordance with the rules. Soviet assistant coach Sergei Bashkin, in violation of the rules, exited the bench area and accosted the scorer (Tenschert) at his table.
This occurred as play resumed, in accordance with the rules. Rhigetto, seeing the disturbance at the scorer's table, whistled for a stop of play. Hearing the Soviets protest that they had called a timeout during the stoppage, Rhigetto correctly ruled that the timeout request had not been in accordance with the rules and would not be honored.
Rhigetto had, under the rules, the option of assessing a technical foul against the Soviets, which would have effectively ended the game. He decided against it, and ruled that one second remained, the Soviets would inbound the ball where play stopped, near midcourt.
*In direct violation of FIBA rules, Jones personally appeared at the scorer's table, AND BY HIS OWN ADMISSION* ordered the officials to reset the clock to 3 seconds (IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULES), with the Soviets inbounding the ball from the end line.
The Soviets then inserted guard Ivan Edeschko for center Alzhan Zarmukamedov to make the desperation heave to Alexandr Belov *in direct violation of the rules.* U.S. center Tom McMillen guarded the inbound so aggressively that the inbound went to nearby Sergei Belov, who heaved the ball towards the basket, missing.
Rhigetto, still the referee, ruled the game over. However, Jones STILL AT THE SCORER'S TABLE, *ORDERED* the inbound be replayed because the scoreboard clock hadn't been reset. This is a mere excuse, time was kept on the floor (at the scorer's table), but the announcement was made *ON JONES' ORDERS.* This is, to repeat in *DIRECT VIOLATION* of FIBA rules. *By his own admission, Jones had acted in violation of rules he swore to uphold.*
The final play is what we see at the declared end. Jones had one more violation up his sleeve to protect the result from his interference, which was to appoint Ferenc Hepp to the appeal committee, in violation of FIBA rules. Hepp represented a country (Hungary) that had no team in the 1972 Munich games, a requirement of FIBA rules. His was the deciding vote in the committee, which voted 3-2 to deny the American appeal.
These facts nullifies the ridiculous assertions of Harvey in his error-filled article. No Soviet timeout was called, couldn't be honored, and Jones interfered *BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.*
Stick to the facts. They prove you wrong.
Really, the Mona Lisa of sports action video. It's a real time shot, but you couldn't shoot it better in a thousand rehearsed takes of a Twilight Zone episode.
Wait they had 3 seconds the first time they tried and missed. Then got another 3 seconds? So they didn't even take a second to do the drive before the one they scored and won on? Could have been 1 second at best left. Not 3.
They should've been given 3 seconds but were given only 1 second by mistake from whoever is in charge of the clock. That's why they were given 3 seconds "again". Still quite controversial though.
FIBA was going to give this game to the Soviets any way they could. And that's what happened. Look at what time that game was played, midnight!
1) The first move does not even exist, because a timeout was requested earlier. Both college and NBA players play the Olympics with FIBA rules, when they have never done so before. It is a problem, but it is not the fault of the rest. NBA players solve those problems because they are far above the rest.
2) In the second play the clock was set to 1 second, when it was 3 seconds.
3) In the third play, the USA were puzzled by everything that happened, they got very confused.
_"3) In the third play, the USA were puzzled by everything that happened, they got very confused."_
The American players knew full well that the clock had not been reset when it should have, with play being put back and resuming. They understood and accepted that.
@@johnburns4017
My apologies again, but you know full well that the clock, under 1972 FIBA rules, should not have been reset at all. Interference by R. William Jones, in direct violation of FIBA rules, is the only reason that this occurred. Team USA has every right to refuse to accept those silver medals due to this intentional interference in overruling the on-court officials.
@Boker A
The timeout you refer to could not be honored. The request was received at the scorer's table after the ball was placed in Collins' hands for his second foul shot. The Soviets claim that they requested this timeout during the time after the foul to Collins, but there is no independent confirmation of this, and much evidence that this is a falsehood. The referee, Renato Rhigetto, correctly ruled once he was aware of the request that the game would continue without the timeout.
It was R. William Jones who, in direct violation of FIBA rules, ordered the clock and game reset to the point where the Soviets were to inbound the ball after Collins' foul shots. This is the source of the controversy, and Hans Tenschert, the official scorer, bluntly stated that, "under FIBA rules, the Americans won."
@@roberteugene7295
The clock could have been reset and was. You must stop making things up.
@@johnburns4017
Under the rules, it could *NOT.* The only individual "making things up" is *you.* Renato William Jones, who had no authority, ordered this done in direct violation of rules he swore to uphold.
At 3:45 the Soviets threw the ball inbounds and we hear the final horn after the ball touched the circle.
In other videos we hear the final horn (which has a slightly different sound) just after inbounding the ball , suggesting it was a mistake from the score table since there was 3 seconds left. See this video at 3:15.
th-cam.com/video/5FDiJHE2p_U/w-d-xo.html
So, why in the video posted here the sound of the final horn is different and at a different time ?
One is produced by Americans and the other by Soviets... obviously there is bias and the Soviets would never allow themselves to be undermined like that
The game was 47 years ago and you are still salty about that? Come on, just move on
@@arsen2506
The Americans rigged the vid.
@@will6996 pfff, look at you, talking about that game like you were playing it, move on.
Maybe I am taking this a little personal that's because I want and honest response not some fake crap.the soviet tm won fair and square and maybe it was time for the U.S to lose.sooner or later it was bound to happen I guess and this was no fault of the soviet tm of what events took place on the sidelines that made this such a controversial BB game. It's a pity that the U.S tm got caught up in one person's nonsense(William jones). the soviets made a great play long pass and shoot reminiscent of the 92 duke vs kentucky game with 1 exception controversy.
The Americans should have been given three chances as well.
The Brazilian referres earned big money on that time , good job refs 👍👍👍
Soviet "Miracle on Ice". Legendary victory.
Which, under the rules, shouldn't have happened.
No wonder the Soviets ended up in the dustbin of history as extinct losers. Morons think they won.
Tom Burelson should have been on in bound pass!
Burleson brought his fiance to his room in the Olympic village and got benched for the Gold Medal game. Big coaching mistake.
At the end of the match the refereeing performance and the table were a disaster. But I think only Americans think it was a robbery. It would have been a robbery if they did not grant time out to U.R.S.S. and to play a single second when it was three seconds. That would have been a robbery.
The ending was very puzzling and unfortunate, but not a robbery.
Nope, it was robbery. Nothing but flat cheating.
Incorrect. The entire fiasco was due to the the intervention of R. William Jones, who acted in violation of the rules that he swore to uphold. He overruled the on-court officials, who FIBA rules say have absolute authority over games in progress.
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Nope. No timeout request could be honored while the ball was live under 1972 FIBA rules.
@@__-oq8gz
I say this because I'm not sure you understand the rules from 1972, they were so different. Once the ball was in Collins' hands for the foul shots, no timeout request could be honored. The Soviets had to call it during the break after the foul and before the ball was handed to Collins for his first foul shot. The request could then be honored either before the first foul shot or in between the two foul shots.
Once Collins sank the second foul shot, Artnik Arabadjian (the umpire) correctly ordered the Soviets to inbound the ball, as the rules required. No timeout was permitted.
@@__-oq8gz
Actually, the only officiating that clearly favored the Soviets was the interference of R. William Jones. FIBA rules clearly forbade his interference, yet he did it anyway, overruling the on-court officials (namely, the referee, Renato Rhigetto of Brasil).
The most important basketball game...🏀
indimenticabile.
Perhaps the most controversial, but far from the most important.
As an Englishman- I don't watch a lot of Basketball but here's what I thought: After the buzzer went initially and America was declared the winner, why didn't the coach just take them off the court? They legitimately won?
@KS1994 Because they didn't dickhead.
@@DannyBoy777777 Die in your sleep.
That's exactly what he should have done but he never would have heard the end of it. but for my players it would have been worth it.
@@DannyBoy777777
Actually, they did. The on-court officials, who by FIBA rules have absolute authority over a game in progress, were overruled by Renato William Jones, Secretary General of FIBA; who acted in direct violation of FIBA rules he swore to uphold.
@@roberteugene7295 They were overruled. So they didn't.
And than vladimir tkachenko came to put fear into his opponents hearts
I would like you to see some games from the 80s and 90s of clubs in Europe. When you were facing Italian and Yugoslav clubs on their courts, a little later the Greek clubs were added as well. There if there were real robberies, with the referees totally intimidated with the environment.
I hope you found the story interesting...We did a lot of research on it. I was a big basketball fan and was hoping Bill Walton the UCLA was going to be on the team
And don't forget Spain. They were also good.
@@michaelschanzer8190 if Bill Walton had played USA tm would have mopped the floor up against anybody
the appeal panel should of had Switerland on it at least it would of been fair
I used to feel disgusted when I heard about the USA team storming out and refusing their medals in '72. Watching this I now understand why, and if I were in that situation, I'd probably have refused my medal, too.
@stoobeedoo dickhead - they were cheating, which is why the clock was reset.
*The Soviets won fair and square.*
@@johnburns4017
Incorrect. Without the direct interference of someone who, under FIBA rules he swore to uphold, had no authority over a game in progress.
*"Under FIBA rules, the Americans won."*
-Hans Tenschert, official scorer, 1972 Olympic basketball final
@@roberteugene7295 You want some ice? you seem a bit burned
@@RGNRK-rm1eq
Ad hominem, invalid remark. Try again, son.
un match épique et historique avec des basketteurs à la morphologie normale.
this was from bud greenspan's series "the olympiad"
It's actually from Bud's film "Memorable Moments" The Olympiad series version had Tom McMillan tell his version of what happened....Bud was a great storyteller and a great mentor to me.
@@mbschan your right because that was not david perry as the narrator in the series
@@jamessollazzo4860 David Perry, Bud's brother, had passed away before this video was competed. It's narrated by Lloyd Moss....you know your Bud Greenspan films! Thank you
@@mbschan can't find any of the olympiad series in full on you tube?
Brothers? Curious why names were different?@@mbschan
USSR ❤️
that story didn't tell the full picture .... The Soviets had some genuine issues once the umpire decided to stop the game with 1 s still to play. Soviets time out request to the bench was sent but not acted on quickly enough by the bench officials i.e. blow horn between the two free throws, and when they decided to replay the 3s the first time, only 1s was put back on the clock and so the siren went off early...
There seemed to be a whole heap of errors made from many people, but not really any from the coaches or players of both sides. Although why the US decided to not defend the inbound on the last successful pass was ridiculously dumb, as it gave the Russians a clear passing lane, without which the play was near impossible in that era of the game.
All in all, my understanding is US should have won the gold. Timeouts being missed are frustrating but still an occasional part of the game even today, so play on from that perspective. The umpire who stopped the game with 1s to go, opened up the whole can of worms, but the biggest failure was the the FIBA official who came from his seat in the grandstand to overrule the bench and umpires who were going to award the US with the win before he bullied them and over-ruled. He had zero authority or right to do so however, and should not have used his hierarchy to 'pull rank' so to speak.
I understand the FIBA official lived to admit his wrongdoing, apologised and regretted it for many years. Also the big guy who made the winning shot, was a very humble and much loved guy who built great relationships with many of the US players and coaches before he tragically died in his 40s from cancer ...
"You can't always get what you want"
M. Jagger
Ain't that the truth
ah ah aaaah ...lovely song ... very ad hok
Le tête de l'entraîneur US ...
The Basketball equivalent to the Miracle on Ice, we just don't talk about this one.
Other than the fact that the Miracle on Ice isn't one of the most controversial wins in Olympic history. The US legitimately defeated the Soviets in hockey. This "win" by the Soviet's was complete BS.
Hi Michael... Who owns the rights to this footage? We are working on a 1970s basketball film and would like to use about 10 seconds of this video footage. Thanks Dean
Hi Dean contact me on Linkedin
@@michaelschanzer8190 Hi Michael... I see several individuals with your exact same name on Linkedin. Please contact me via email at dstoneharbor@gmail.com
I dont Like Comunisme , But I like this .
That was an intentional very dangerous defensive hard foul from below with the offensive player in the air on way to the basket. Therefore, it should have been after the free throws, USA keeps the ball. That was the first cheat. The illegal time out, second cheat. The first additional 3 seconds, the third cheat. The second additional 3 seconds, the fourth cheat.
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🎵Don't cry for me America. 🎶
Russia deserves no respect to this day!
SOVIET UNION FOREVER THE BEST IN THE OLYMPIC HISTORY
Uh, really? What was their record against the United States? In fact, in 1968 and 1976, they weren't even good enough to make the gold medal game, beaten by Yugoslavia both times.
How embarrassing, how embarrassing! LOL
Still a screw job
Hahaha, the Soviets are nowhere near the best in Olympic basketball. Their 1972 team would have been crushed by the best American players. USA didn't even have their best amateur players in this game.
Iba was a terrible coach. Many stars did not go out for the team because of his old fashioned slow down methods which played into the Soviets hands.
One U.S. player felt that if the U.S. played a fast paced game, they would have ran the Soviets back to Russia. One key player, center Swen Nater quit the team because he was lost weight and felt he was starved, the coaches would not bend at all and make any changes.
Nah soviets cheated
@@shawnwilkerson3 Soviet "Miracle on Ice". Legendary victory. Salty americans whining😄
hahaha
To this day, the silver medals sit in a Swiss vault, unclaimed. Many players even have it in their wills that their families are forbidden to claim them. Damn right. They were screwed FIVE TIMES. And WTF is a Brit doing in charge of an American sport? AND WTF do Hungary, Poland and Cuba know about basketball?!
Regardless of all the weird abnormal calls, clearly Team USA won that close contest!
No
@@deadded5793
*Under FIBA rules, the Americans won*
-Hans Tenschert, official scorer, 1972 Olympic basketball final
@@roberteugene7295 so what? The game judge declared win for the USSR
@@deadded5793
The "game judge" was the appeal committee, which had (as the deciding vote) a man appointed to it in violation of the rules of FIBA. Had that committee been properly seated (at hand was a member of the West German FIBA delegation, an easy choice), the vote would have been to uphold the American protest and nullify the Soviet basket. Obviously, this would have produced the result that the on-court officials repeatedly said was correct.
*Under FIBA rules, the Americans won.*
-Hans Tenschert, official scorer, 1972 Olympic basketball final
*The result of that game and the appeal committee was entirely outside of the rules of the game of basketball.*
-Renato Rhigetto, referee, 1972 Olympic basketball final
@@roberteugene7295 so what? Your country was always known for racism and hate towards soviets. No wonder that your government decides that they want to change the ruling afterwards. However, no one cares about it, except freaks like you.
in 1:28 What is Saco secondo?
Sako Sakondalidze #6 USSR player
Celebrate gone wrong!.. USA #13 poor defense
The game shouldn't have been close enough for The U.S. to lose, even though it was using college players. Bad coaching and bad, ragged playing are what lost the game.
Amazing job done by the Soviets who were ahead of the American team for the whole match.
Except for the time it should have counted (and, under FIBA rules, would have but for the interference of someone with no authority to do so), the last 3 seconds. In truth, the Soviets cracked under the pressure as soon as Team USA began using pressure defense and a more up-tempo offense.
They were such losers they needed three attempts at cheating before they could invent the outcome they wanted. No wonder that country is dead.
Em 1976 levaram na pá outra vez.
Come on Russia come bacccckkkkkkkkkkkkkk
wonderful how the US player does not accept the fact that they were beaten. And they were beaten fair.
@Ayden Springer Reasons were 100% comprehensive.
@@PVMZ
Incorrect. The additional time was added in violation of the rules on orders from Renato William Jones, who under FIBA rules was illegally interfering with a game in progress.
@@roberteugene7295 read the protocol of the referee
@@PVMZ
*"The ending of that game and the committee decision afterwards was entirely outside of the rules of the game of basketball."*
Renato Rhigetto (Brasil), referee, final game, 1972 Olympics.
Beaten fair my ass!!!
Brazilian referee, that explains it 🤣🤣🤣
What's the problem with being a Brazilian referee?
@@TheRaphael1991 Juiz ladrão is the problem kkkkk
@@EvangelhoImigrante "Juizes ladrões" is everywhere, it is not exclusive to Brazil.
@@TheRaphael1991 I am from Brazil, so I speak from experience. And it was meant to be a joke man, don't take it too seriously.
@@EvangelhoImigrante Ah tá explicado. Pensei que fosse outro gringo falando mal de BR. Só nós que podemos fazer isso 🤝🏻
Randy Harvey of the LA Times, *_"The Americans thought at every turn they had been cheated. They probably hadn't been but they still haven't acknowledged that."_*
*1.* The Soviet's bench called a timeout when Collins was on the court's floor running into the scaffolding, after being fouled. *3 seconds remain.*
*2.* The Soviet bench *did not* call timeout between Collins' two foul shots, or after when the Soviets went up the court. It was *before* these two events.
*3.* The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk, they called and wanted a timeout. They were being ignored.
*4.* Collins puts the USA ahead with his two baskets.
*5.* The horn sounds before Collins pops the second - an odd time for the horn to sound. The horn sounded as the ball had left Collins' hands.
*6.* The sounding horn was an acknowledgement that a Soviet timeout should have been awarded earlier. The Soviets did not call timeout illegally between Collins' two shots. Soviet coaches were on the line indicating they want a timeout, making *"T"* signs with their hands.
*7.* Play _quickly_ resumed after Collins scores, with *3 seconds remaining,* with a Soviet inbound *_(1st)._* The Soviet bench were still on the line rightly protesting that they wanted a timeout (called before Collins' baskets & acknowledged by the horn) and that it was being ignored.
*8.* There was *1 second remaining.* The ref stops play at 1 second remaining seeing the Soviet bench pointing to him making the *"T"* signs with their hands.
*9.* The ref saw this error annulling the inbound, then setting the clock back to 3 secs taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, *_(2nd),_* resetting play. *3 seconds now remain.* The ref could have started the game at 1 sec remaining, however taking the ball back to the line means the time has to be reset back to 3 seconds. Now back to the state of play and time after Collins scored.
*10.* The ref never gave the Soviet timeout, which he should have done. At this point the Soviets are being cheated.
*11.* The Bulgarian umpire, not the Brazilian ref, resumed play before the clock was reset to 3 secs, allowing play to resume at 1 sec on the unset clock with the *_(2nd)_* Soviet inbound.
*12.* The US thought the game was over with them winning as the horn was sounded after 1 second.
*13.* The Ref saw the errors of:
a) not resetting the clock
b) resuming play without his authority.
He is in charge not the umpire.
*14.* The ref puts matters right, annulling the inbound, resetting the clock to *3 seconds* taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, the *_(3rd)._* *There is nothing wrong with that decision.*
*15.* The US players fully understood that the clock had not been reset and why play was being resumed. *3 seconds remain.*
*16.* The Soviets threw the ball up the court from their *_(3rd)_* inbound which was flawless, popping the winning basket within 3 seconds.
*Winners !!*
*The ref did most right - he saw two errors and put matters right.* He should have done more, annulled Collins scores and taken play back to the point that Collins was on the floor when the Soviets called timeout, giving the Soviets the timeout they called for.
After the Soviet timeout Collins could take his two free throws again. Or the Soviets could have the timeout between Collins' two throws. The ref was unaware that the Soviets called timeout when Collins was on the floor, the scorer on the desk never informed him. The Soviet coaches were indicating clearly to the scorer's desk they called for a timeout making *"T"* signs with their hands. The USA team were beaten fairly.
*The USA gripe -* was that Jones the FIBA head, went down to the scorers table and suggested that the clock be reset to 3 secs from 1 sec, as it should have been. The ref was doing this anyhow, so Jones' indications of three fingers in the air was irrelevant. He could have suggested taking the play back to the Soviet timeout call, which would have been the fair and right thing to do, as the Soviet timeout was called when Collins was on the floor before he popped the baskets. Jones never.
The ref had no need to take any notice of anyone, he was 100% in command. The whole court was in pandemonium, with thousands shouting at him what to do. The court was full of non-playing people. In those situations refs take control doing what is in their heads.
*The Soviet gripe -* was that their timeout call, when Collins was on the floor, before Collins pooped the two baskets, was ignored. They only got 2 seconds more in compensation - that was it - well it was just taking play and time back to the point Collins scored. They never got the timeout they called for with even a horn sounding for it. They got *nothing.* They made full use of the 3 seconds when play was put back to the position after Collins' scored, so were satisfied. They won despite being hard done by.
John I really appreciate your detailed description of what happened during that game. I was a big basketball fan especially college and was disappointed that when the USA team was announced that Bill Walton decided not to play on that team. One note, notice that 6'11" Tom McMillen is standing a half court when the ball is passed in....he was supposed to be guarding the Russian player who passed the ball in, why is he not there?
@@michaelschanzer5694
The Americans thought they had won it against the run of play being second best from the beginning. They could not believe they were in the lead for the first time in the game, with seconds left. The Soviets thought otherwise. The sad part of this is that Belov, who scored the winner, died only six years later.
@@michaelschanzer5694
The team that was disadvantaged by incorrect application of the rules was the USSR. They never got the timeout they called for.
*Three Soviet inbounds:*
*1) After Collins puts the USA ahead -* Soviet bench protest on the line at not being awarded their called timeout, holding their hand to a *"T"* shape - as the inbound was taken. Referee sees the protests stopping play at 1 second remaining. Ref realises a mistake, but ignores the Soviet protests to reset play back to before Collins scored when the timeout was called. Ref orders to retake the inbound resetting play back to the inbound after Collins scored, which means taking the clock back to 3 seconds;
*2) Retaken before clock was reset to 3 seconds -* Play stopped. Ref rightly orders inbound to be retaken again;
*3) Retaken legally -* The clock is now reset to 3 seconds. Soviet inbound down the court, they score.
Soviets win.
@@johnburns4017
We've been over this ground before. This is entirely inaccurate. *Only the Soviets themselves claim that the timeout was requested on time.* Once alerted to the request, Renato Rhigetto, the referee, correctly ruled that the request could not be honored.
Then came the *illegal intervention* of R. William Jones, who violated the very rules he swore to uphold, then *admitted to knowingly violating those rules.*
@@roberteugene7295
Jones' actions were not illegal. The ref was in charge he is the man in total control.
The Soviets called timeout, not being given one.
Why didn’t the Americans defended the final one
They did defend the all the final shots. If you look at the final attempt the ref tells McMillian to step way back for the inbound pass. He’s actually at mid court when the last inbound pass is thrown making a clear pass to Belov.
@@michaelschanzer1534 In other words the ref cheated.
@@michaelschanzer1534 yes, you are right about that. McMillen says ref told him to back off but ref later says he couldn’t speak English so how could he have told McMillen that ? McMillen should have stayed right on inbounds pass.
But the biggest travesty, and one no one ever mentions, is that the two players next to A. Belov on the winning play were the guards Kevin Joyce and Forbes. Why put two guards on a tall man when you know a long pass is coming. USA had Tom Burleson, Bobby Jones, Mike Bantom and other tall players who could have surrounded Belov and made him catching the pass much more difficult. Terrible oversight. Granted it was chaos but what were 2 guards doing defending what was absolutely going to be the final play ? Despite obvious bias, the Soviets weren’t getting a FOURTH chance if third didn’t work. Iba and his assistants were worthless at the most crucial time.
The USA was robbed but they still share some blame for this travesty.
Soviets deserved them 3 seconds to be fair. They were destinied to win this tournament. With all respect to USA, you guys are clearly best our there for life in Basketball. But in 72' Soviets were destinied to win. Even with 1 point difference. By the way, Russians made a great movie about this story. Like really good. It's called "Three Seconds", you can find it in IMBD because it's translated from "движение вверх".
They're such cry babies. Soviets beat them fair and square. Dough Collins knows nothing about international basketball rules. Everything he said was false.
movie
Just swallow it already... loss is the loss..
congrats to ussr ..
In the USSR if u didn't win u got killed...as an American realizing this game probably saved Russian lives I can accept it... corruption sucks tho
Where is that stated in the Soviet Constitution tho?
God :), you are soooo brainwashed... It's just wild :).
@@terenceangelo8714 It's stated in the western propaganda.
USA won and the Olympics owes them GOLD medals 🏅 There are NO do overs. The game was over after the free throws. #USAwascheatedtwice
Ok bud
United States and former country Soviet Union are both largest countries
Are you quoting Kamala here?
OWNED
A URSS sempre vivera! Sempre te amarei URSS!
WOW THIS video is manipulated , at 3:45 , the horn sounds just after the ball touches the circle of the basket , actually in the real video sounds the horn sounds just 1 second after the ball is alive
1:27 not only a flagrant 1 foul, but also basket interference. The bucket should've counted, plus the And1... End of argument. The refs cheated history of the real ending. The U.S. was right to flip them the bird @ the ceremony.
Exactly! I was wondering why no one else was talking about that. Collins should’ve been given 2 points and a free throw! That’s the real injustice of this game.
usa lose that game, accept it
*Under FIBA rules, the Americans won.*
-Hans Tenschert, official scorer, 1972 Olympic basketball final
@@roberteugene7295 under fiba rules yes yes yes. Where is that rules today.
No speeakee Englishee?
Of course, to actually come out on top of the US in basketball, the other country would have to cheat.
go RUSSIA go CHINA
Rafael Trigos both countries have horrible governments but great people.
Christopher Luciano oh my ,thank you for your opinion ,🥰🙏 I thought that everyone (not russians ) thinks that we are crazy)))
@@Olegchert Americans love the Chinese and Russian people. I know so many Russians who work in the United States. They are honestly some of the kindest most hard working most honest people I have ever met!
I do not know where you are from, you seem Spanish like me, but surely you do not live in a communist country and if you live in a communist country you will surely be of the predominant caste.
@@christopherluciano7516 USSR the great 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Maior roubo da história
americans as usual, blame others
Blame other when they added 3 seconds twice lmao
@@shawnwilkerson3 they added one second. Billboard malfunctioned. Lol
@@deadded5793
Especially when the "other" acted without authority to do so.
Very bad officiating
The worst olympique in history of basketball, unacceptable win 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
This game is screwed