@@Garl_Vinland they didn't do this because of the pirates lol, they just don't want you to own anything so they can take it away from you at any given point and make you pay for it again. you literally cannot play the older version of wc3 or dark souls for PC unless you either buy an old console and a physical copy of the old versions, or by pirating it.
@MrFox-ox2ze Also, the majority of people who pirate stuff are typically people who would buy if they had the money on hand Meanwhile, to get the "complete" edition of AC Shadows, you need to fork up like 250$ usd
It warms my heart to hear that Ubisoft is struggling. People say they're going to stop buying from certain companies then sales don't meaningfully go down so often that it's nice to see people actually doing it for once.
Because more often than not, those people are a vocal minority. A company can trudge along so far as they have satisfied casual players, but when those markets dry up, there is no war cry. No open declaration. They just lose interest and move on. That is the real nail in the coffin
The MINUTE steam goes out of business or gets shut down, literally millions of people are going to be working to crack those files away from the DRM. As long as you have the steam files and it's not multiplayer, you should be able to play those games for a long time
If Steam ever shuts down, you bet it'll be supplanted immediately by a Community Project that does the same thing. Steam has given so much to PC gaming that it or an entity like it will always exist as a cultural fixture.
Also Steam's DRM is really easy to crack and is virtually unchanged from when Steam launched. The death of Steam will only remove access to games you don't have the storage to install.
Valve has been pretty open and blunt about the fact that, if the company ever goes under, they have a global killswitch for instantly disabling Steam DRM on every game on the platform. Basically, letting people download and preserve as much of their library as they can before the servers go offline. And you'd better believe that the day that that happens, it's going to shake the industry to it's core. Even then, more games than you'd think on Steam already don't have DRM, especially older games and indie games. As the other commenter said, the only real threat is a change in leadership that doesn't see the moral value in having that kind of dead man's switch.
@@sleepawoken this is plain false, they've never said this, cause they can't legally do that. This false narrative pushed by redditors has no actual basis in fact.
Imagine the manager of a store breaks into your house, takes everything you purchased from that store, and promises to sue you if you try to get those items back through any method.
The Crew is most infuriating by the fact that people found an actual offline mode in The Crew, but it's DEEP in several layers of DRM and they absolutely refuse to release it to the public.
Thiiiiiiiiiiiiis. I've never PLAYED The Crew but I knew there was some other kind of second part to this that made it a special case. It HAVING a single player that you're just NOT allowed to play is it.
I am not anti-piracy but I'm not really for trying to moraly justify piracy with righteous undertones. I'd rather just not give them my time than fall to FOMO.
@@RippahRooJizah I very much appreciate your humillity and honesty. In worst case scenarios, devs have actually stated that they would rather you pirate their game if you had so that they can get some revenue at least. However as I said, those are extremes.
@@leithaziz2716 Cases where a dev is okay with their games getting pirated is another case for me. That said, I'm uncertain how pirating a game would get them revenue unless they bought it at some point. Am I missing something?
Nah, it makes sense. They're coming at it from the news end, cuz they're not PC gamers primarily. I only knew about it from the start, bc I already watched Ross thanks to Freeman's Mind, then Game Dungeon. The word-of-mouth of what he's up to is gonna be slow if you're outside those concentric circles; it's only recently that other "nameful" people have referenced it.
Unfortunately GOG Galaxy downloading a game takes out my entire network and it's now been like two months since I sent in a support ticket with no response.
@@friendlyypyp1997 It's split into like 100 different zip files that are each 2 gigs. I mean I could do it. But I do not want to. I would prefer to be able to use GoG but receiving one email asking for logs, providing them, and then getting totally ghosted are the biggest nonstarter for me. It's a shame.
@@friendlyypyp1997 You CAN, but the installer is split into multiple parts for most games (and also slightly obscured). Cyberpunk is in like 30 parts of a few gigs each which you must download manually one at a time.
I got Fallout New Vegas for free on the Epic Games store over a year ago, enjoyed the game so much that I bought it, at full price, on Steam just because I preferred the launcher.
gaming is way too fucking expensive as a hobby to tell the consumer they don't actually own what they're spending hundreds to thousands of dollars on. There is not enough outrage over this.
@@Garl_Vinland somehow the movie industry figured it out. I can buy a bluray of a new $400+ million dollar movie for $25 and that one bluray will work forever on a bluray player.
@@Garl_Vinland it is not actually that expensive as you claim to make good video games that literally millions of people will buy and enjoy, usually the most expensive parts of making games are extremely unneeded things like graphics that barely look any better than games 5 years ago and feature creep for things that might just get scraped. Given that most triple A games sell a majority of their games digitally that has cut down a lot on costs for creating and shipping physical copies while expanding their player bases, and add ontop of the fact no game being released recently has ever been feature complete and requires more money to buy things for the complete experience, video games have never been more profitable. The problem is that the people running things that feed you the bs line of "Videogames are too expensive to make" are the ones running off the idea that if you don't maintain massive amounts of profits with each release than you failed and are also not the developers who work on these games, they are the people trying to sell you the reason why you need to buy their game at 200+ dollars and not own it so they can kill the game and sell you the next product at 300+ dollars next time while improving nothing.
@@DemonFireRain that's in part thanks to the fact that movies all technically (on paper, wink wink) lose money, and therefore can be written off in taxes and also the people who worked on it can be stiffed from ever seeing royalties unless they negotiated the right sort of contract.
My biggest wonder is "Why did it take this long for people to realize that digital isn't owning?" I figured that out during PS3 era. Anyone who's ever bought a game that was taken off the store later should have figured that out. And to add to that, "You can't drive your car" comment: A lot of people are unknowingly falling into that exact trap, as well.
The Overton window shifted and people got lazy. I'm technically in this camp, as 95% game purchases are on steam nowadays, but it just became way too convenient to purchase a new game digitally and have it a part of your library forever. Now that consoles are out of style and people are heavily invested into digital libraries due to steam sales, people are starting to realize the money pit that is their library could disappear at the snap of a finger. The moment Gabe Newell dies is the moment that Valve really starts to go to shit, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like a subscription service is needed to keep games older than 10 years old. As with all things, backup the stuff your care about.
I figured that out with Zeebo Double Dragon which is now FINALLY emulated and VERY worth it. I'd SAY that was the first major loss from digital games but no...we have the Satellaview library and also I seem to recall the Atari 2600 having a digital download service and people celebrating when Save the Whales was found and rescued...I wonder what other 2600 games we lost...
Woolie I gotta say, the lighting on your face with your setup has become so sharp between halves that its starting to look like you are trying to do a Vivec cosplay. I love it. A straight line of light and dark lighting right down the middle of your face.
As far as the Crew goes, it was playable for a long while before it was taken away. So Ubisoft shouldn't go for the person, they should look for decade old pieces of crap, hair, skin, etc and take those away.
Just a quick clarification to the "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" crowd: You're right, its not theft they'll come after you for, it's Copyright Infringement. The redistribution of game files (ie. downloading, sending or moving game files by any digital means) creates "new" copies of a copyrighted work (the files). So they'll go after you for making illegal copies of those files as part of a copyright infringement suit. Also, shout-out to the related terrible precedent that prevents non-copy-limited digital libraries from existing (whenever you move a file on any computer, the move function is actually a cut/paste because of how storage functions. It's been successfully argued in US court that a cut/paste function is still copyright infringement because it makes a "new" copy of a work despite the total number of existing copies remaining the same. This basically makes digital distribution or storage of any copyrighted work an act of copyright infringement unless you have the express permission of the rights-holder.) To be fair, you'd be unlikely to actually be attacked with this argument however, since it stands on questionable logic at best.
the good thing about Prince of Persia Lost Crown: On Console you can completely sidestep the stupid uplay Ubi bullshit so you don't need to worry about it
Physical>>>>>>>>>Digital. Honestly the gaming industry phasing out physical sales so much is such a wild huge scam. They saved so much money on that conversion on sales distribution etc. Like I just sold my old gaming collection from when I was little and got about 5-6 grand. Mostly old pokemon games etc were over 100 bucks and a few others. But if that all was just digital titles then not only would the have not been supported/playable anymore, and I wouldn't have been able to resell my games decades later.
Unfortunately physical games arent physical games. they are physical licenses you have to have in the console to access the game. lots of them dont even house the game
With all the crashing and fumbling they have been doing, they better get used to the idea of not owning their IPs. 11:33 - Gill colors Woolie: "It's Play-Doh colored."
If they're saying that we're buying a license then it should be cheaper if I buy a physical copy are they gonna send someone to steal it back. I digital should be way cheaper than buy physical maybe the judge should audit them to see where exactly the company is hurting.
I built a new PC last year and the Newegg game freebie was Assassin's Creed Mirage, I never even claimed it because they wanted me not only Uplay, but some website i'd never heard of either to claim the code. The game was FREE and I didn't take it. Shame too because that One Republic song they commissioned was a banger.
I gotta say though as good as a platform Steam is, it really baffles me how Valve never gotten nearly as much flak about how Steam also doesn't let you own your games and is more or less the reason Ubisoft and a ton of other companies can do that. Patient zero for DRM games and a ton of other bad practicies (remember lootboxes?)
with GOG u still only own a license. the difference is that the installers dont have DRM. so even if u lose the license, they cant just erase the installer from ur drives
8:40 Cyberpunk (CDPR) and I believe BG3 (Larian) launchers are handy cause you can toggle (most of) their supported mods on or off through them. More handy than Unconnect or Origin chugging and hardly functioning as an intermediary that doesn’t actually accomplish anything. If it’s really a bother, most games with launchers have command prompts that when entered in a games properties through Steam can bypass said launchers anyways.
I'm not expecting anything from that lawsuit. Someone pointed out that the brief may be AI written, and even if it isn't, there's a great deal of highly unprofessional language, such as sarcastically referring to customers as "plebeians".
This is why I'm trying to buy as many old physical copies of games as I can! When Rockstar got rid of the digital version of the original GTA3, VC, and SA and made ONLY the "Definitive" versions available, I finally realized that I need to get all the original physical copies! The same can be said with movies. Preserve old physical media, guys!
@@RippahRooJizah Funnily enough, I used to consider the positive aspect in terms of resource (from an enviromentalist aspect). Allthough I understand nowadays that companies don't really care about that aspect and just abuse the convenience of digital to take away your access to said product.
@@leithaziz2716 For me, it's not a matter of "Physical or digital", I do both. While I have considered the environmental aspect of fewer physical copies around as well... honestly, both physical and digital have their pros and cons in which I wouldn't do either one fully.
In terms of the environment, I don't really worry about it when it comes to physical media. Hypothetically, if all discs, cartridges, and video tapes were to be removed, it would make a negligible impact on the health of the environment because of plastics from all other sources. To me, the benefits of keeping and preserving physical pieces of media far outweigh the negatives. I don't want a corporation or government to have the power to delete games, movies, or books they no longer want us to have access to for whatever reason.
Btw they can still lock you out of a game with a single patch thanks to online. It isn't matter of how you get your game but the fact companies are scummy
forget "if ac shadows doesnt do well the company's dead" i assumed ubi was dead the moment star wars outlaws didnt break even on their budget in the first month because how tf do you make an open world star wars game and NOT make a profit lmao
Star Wars is in the absolute shitter now, too, so it wasn't an incredible achievement that it flopped so bad. An achievement to be sure, but not one for the ages.
Please acknowledge Ross Scott, you guys.... c'mon..... he's the one who started this global movement against this and is actually making waves about it.
GOG can't legally claim that you own the games you buy from them because you don't own them either. To put it another way, if you bought a Star Wars DVD, you wouldn't expect Disney to be giving up their rights to the franchise or co-owning it with you. That's what ownership legally refers to. A license to play a game (and possibly also some plastic) is all you have ever been purchasing. The reason Ubisoft shutting down a game they advertised as single-player but which was actually an MMO is shitty is completely unrelated to whether you own a game or not.
@@BenLubar "A license to play a game (and possibly also some plastic) is all you have ever been purchasing." So then why have movie, or even music, companies never tried to send goons to peoples' houses and "revoke those licenses" by physical repossessing your disc, since that's apparently the same thing? Were they just too stupid to think of it before, or is it that that is considered "owning" the thing, and therefore illegal for them to come take what you purchased with your own money?
The concern I have is that dvds had the same clause. So a lot of arguements have to be made very precise. Otherwise it may have an inverse effect, giving us less ground for ownership of our games.
I support games not coming to Steam, idk how Canadians feel about Monopolies but I like there being SOME things that the biggest guys can’t do if only for the good of other businesses.
For anyone who's curious on what to look for incase you want to have full ownership of the product you buy, I've heard very good things about GOG's website. There's even a large push to make older 2000s game to run much more stable on current computers.
GOG and Itchio and the occasional direct download from the developer are the only way I buy PC games. My 90s PC CDs still work the same as when I bought them, and that is how I buy PC games in a digital environment.
The thing is that consoles also allowed you to connect to private servers. Demon Souls (original) has a private server i can connect to on my PS3 TO THIS DAY. Many games let you have an option to play it after support had ended. The Crew's is, apparently, so strict in it's code that it doesn't allow private servers whatsoever. No Servers, game doesn't even start, it's literally a dud product in every way shape and form.
if you use any specific engine or set of tools, absolutely you're going to have a hard time finding work at other places that don't use those specific tools. that's why it's important (if you're a programmer) to make sure you actually understand, in detail, what's going on under the hood in the tools you're using. and also have a solid background knowledge of computer science and c++, obviously.
i have like hundreds of games epic gave out for free and I've literally only turned on 2 of them ever bc some friends asked me to play among us one time and i thought dnf duel might be fun to try out but couldn't afford it on steam
imagine halfway through a game of chess with a set YOU own, the King of England (or Garry Kasparov) runs in and flips the table, because you didn't pay the extra $10/month. that's basically what AAA studios have become.
Look, having marketplace competition on PC is good BUT if ye launch a game on Steam, it shouldn't then open another launcher/storefront you've gotta connect to. Just stop please. Also I agree with Uplay or whatev being the worst bc it's the only one that would just close games randomnly (no saving/boot to menu, just close the whole app) bc it THOUGHT I had disconnected from the internet. I hadn't, but even so it was stuff that should have been offline single player stuff....
I'll be real, the roguelike PoP game I was put off how it looked like a corporate design thing with the weird purple looking prince. Now it's a real looking character I'm actually gonna get it
we are definitely going to live in a world without this bullshit. As indie developers have shown if there is a demand for something not being shitty, they will flock to that instead just for a moral victory. As a wise man once said "evil feeds upon itself". What we are seeing is just a repeat of the cycle of the first video game crash where companies become too greedy and implode on themselves like E.T.
it's like if hit man sed stfu I know you bought the first game but now that the third one gropes them all you cant play it anymore together buy the new one
We can still own music, though. The industry that got pwned the most by p2p and digital distribution is hilariously the last bastion of ownership in art. I will show my collection to my grandkids and then will learn the way of blegh.
Im of the belief that all games source code should be legally forced to be released to the public 10 years after initial release along with server codes so people can host their own servers and keep the game alive.
Morals and missing what video games used to be aside I don't have a particular problem with the concept of selling me a license however there must be consumer protection laws in place. Before purchase a message should pop up explaining this in as few words as possible. Because the real issue is the sneakiness of it all. "WARNING: you are not purchasing a video but a license to play. The developer / publisher reserves the right to shut down the games servers rendering the game unplayable to you"
Morally, it's reprehensible. Realistically, this doesn't really change anything as far as gaming is concerned. Not with the number of people who buy games. We haven't owned any of the games in our Steam library for over a decade now. Has it actually mattered?
does this mean in the future there will be repo men who will break into your house and steal your xbox? like "oh you bought a licence to our game, not actually a copy of our game". THEN SHOW THE FUCKING RECEIPT UBISOFT! I AIN'T SEEIN NO LEGAL AGREEMENT DOCUMENT ANYWHERE!
Gamers will have to speak with their wallets on a unified level to make this business practice stop. Make studios & publisher hurt for money to the point they have to create only physical media that you fully own.
I also appreciate that Ubisoft is the one being hit by this. Remember, anyone who ever tells you "Your disc is meaningless, all games require internet anyway." or any variation thereof, is always been full of crap and is weirdly corporate bootlicking the phrase about not owning your games for absolutely no gain. There are exceptions, like for example *most* recent Ubisoft titles, but it is, and should hopefully continue to be not the standard practice. As long as people keep making their voices heard on it.
For some reason, I don't know why, but videogames are a medium where people will defend the companies when it isn't the case for others. pirate music BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate shows/movies BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate anime BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate comics BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate books BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate video games NOOOOOOOOOO NOT MY HECKEN CORPORATION YOU CAN'T DO THIS IT'S WRONG YOU'RE POOR YOU HAVE TO BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT NOW, THAT'S IT YOU FORCED MY HAND *reports site to Nintendo* HA NOW YOU CAN'T STEAL ANY MORE
the people who are sue Ubisoft own the dices of "the craw" and can't even play off them. they own the cd dices of the game and no one can get that across.
@@miguelnewmexico8641 basicly they own copies of the game and they don't work anymore. that is what happen to the people of that story. that small fact gets left behind like hell any time someone talks about them suing Ubisoft.
I despise all those gaming corp shit launchers only ones I have installed rn are steam which is goated, bnet which is tolerable, and riot client which is barely tolerable
I only use Steam and I refuse to play any game through it that causes me to open a separate application or company launcher. It is far too annoying and there are plenty of other games I can rather spend my time with
We once again point to the sign: "If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing
Yar har it is
I mean, they did this because of the pirates, so…
@@Garl_Vinland they didn't do this because of the pirates lol, they just don't want you to own anything so they can take it away from you at any given point and make you pay for it again. you literally cannot play the older version of wc3 or dark souls for PC unless you either buy an old console and a physical copy of the old versions, or by pirating it.
@@Garl_Vinland punishing consumers for the actions of pirates only make stronger pirates
@MrFox-ox2ze Also, the majority of people who pirate stuff are typically people who would buy if they had the money on hand
Meanwhile, to get the "complete" edition of AC Shadows, you need to fork up like 250$ usd
It warms my heart to hear that Ubisoft is struggling. People say they're going to stop buying from certain companies then sales don't meaningfully go down so often that it's nice to see people actually doing it for once.
Because more often than not, those people are a vocal minority. A company can trudge along so far as they have satisfied casual players, but when those markets dry up, there is no war cry. No open declaration. They just lose interest and move on. That is the real nail in the coffin
The MINUTE steam goes out of business or gets shut down, literally millions of people are going to be working to crack those files away from the DRM.
As long as you have the steam files and it's not multiplayer, you should be able to play those games for a long time
If Steam ever shuts down, you bet it'll be supplanted immediately by a Community Project that does the same thing. Steam has given so much to PC gaming that it or an entity like it will always exist as a cultural fixture.
Also Steam's DRM is really easy to crack and is virtually unchanged from when Steam launched. The death of Steam will only remove access to games you don't have the storage to install.
..the real hazard ahead for steam is Gabe's health and whoever gets the company after him possibly letting Shareholders buy it
Valve has been pretty open and blunt about the fact that, if the company ever goes under, they have a global killswitch for instantly disabling Steam DRM on every game on the platform. Basically, letting people download and preserve as much of their library as they can before the servers go offline. And you'd better believe that the day that that happens, it's going to shake the industry to it's core. Even then, more games than you'd think on Steam already don't have DRM, especially older games and indie games. As the other commenter said, the only real threat is a change in leadership that doesn't see the moral value in having that kind of dead man's switch.
@@sleepawoken this is plain false, they've never said this, cause they can't legally do that. This false narrative pushed by redditors has no actual basis in fact.
hilariously, one of their manuals said that their code was good until 2099, so they are uber effed
Imagine the manager of a store breaks into your house, takes everything you purchased from that store, and promises to sue you if you try to get those items back through any method.
The Crew is most infuriating by the fact that people found an actual offline mode in The Crew, but it's DEEP in several layers of DRM and they absolutely refuse to release it to the public.
Thiiiiiiiiiiiiis. I've never PLAYED The Crew but I knew there was some other kind of second part to this that made it a special case. It HAVING a single player that you're just NOT allowed to play is it.
The game was also perfectly playable to play without interacting with the online features. It also had a story mode!!
Every day our moral obligation to pirate stuff gets stronger.
I am not anti-piracy but I'm not really for trying to moraly justify piracy with righteous undertones. I'd rather just not give them my time than fall to FOMO.
If buying isn't owning then the other thing isn't that other thing
@@RippahRooJizah I very much appreciate your humillity and honesty. In worst case scenarios, devs have actually stated that they would rather you pirate their game if you had so that they can get some revenue at least. However as I said, those are extremes.
@@leithaziz2716 Cases where a dev is okay with their games getting pirated is another case for me.
That said, I'm uncertain how pirating a game would get them revenue unless they bought it at some point. Am I missing something?
@@RippahRooJizahcoward
REALLY surprised that they didn't mention Ross Scott's Stop Killing Games initiative.
It was actually cited in the lawsuit and Ross did a video update talking about it as well.
They really should have it needs all the attention it can get.
Nah, it makes sense. They're coming at it from the news end, cuz they're not PC gamers primarily. I only knew about it from the start, bc I already watched Ross thanks to Freeman's Mind, then Game Dungeon. The word-of-mouth of what he's up to is gonna be slow if you're outside those concentric circles; it's only recently that other "nameful" people have referenced it.
3:55 and that's where I made a GoG account and started taking the platform seriously.
Also the GOG version of Dragon Age doesn't require the launcher or something?
Unfortunately GOG Galaxy downloading a game takes out my entire network and it's now been like two months since I sent in a support ticket with no response.
@@SRN_RLcant you just download the exe? Hell, its a better way to preserve the game.
@@friendlyypyp1997 It's split into like 100 different zip files that are each 2 gigs. I mean I could do it. But I do not want to.
I would prefer to be able to use GoG but receiving one email asking for logs, providing them, and then getting totally ghosted are the biggest nonstarter for me. It's a shame.
@@friendlyypyp1997 You CAN, but the installer is split into multiple parts for most games (and also slightly obscured). Cyberpunk is in like 30 parts of a few gigs each which you must download manually one at a time.
Please mention the Stop Killing Games campaign!
I got Fallout New Vegas for free on the Epic Games store over a year ago, enjoyed the game so much that I bought it, at full price, on Steam just because I preferred the launcher.
gaming is way too fucking expensive as a hobby to tell the consumer they don't actually own what they're spending hundreds to thousands of dollars on. There is not enough outrage over this.
It’s too expensive to create videogames unless we’re going back to the 8 bit era
@@Garl_Vinland somehow the movie industry figured it out. I can buy a bluray of a new $400+ million dollar movie for $25 and that one bluray will work forever on a bluray player.
"the is not enough outrage over this" consoomer brain is to deeply ingrained at this point.
@@Garl_Vinland it is not actually that expensive as you claim to make good video games that literally millions of people will buy and enjoy, usually the most expensive parts of making games are extremely unneeded things like graphics that barely look any better than games 5 years ago and feature creep for things that might just get scraped.
Given that most triple A games sell a majority of their games digitally that has cut down a lot on costs for creating and shipping physical copies while expanding their player bases, and add ontop of the fact no game being released recently has ever been feature complete and requires more money to buy things for the complete experience, video games have never been more profitable.
The problem is that the people running things that feed you the bs line of "Videogames are too expensive to make" are the ones running off the idea that if you don't maintain massive amounts of profits with each release than you failed and are also not the developers who work on these games, they are the people trying to sell you the reason why you need to buy their game at 200+ dollars and not own it so they can kill the game and sell you the next product at 300+ dollars next time while improving nothing.
@@DemonFireRain that's in part thanks to the fact that movies all technically (on paper, wink wink) lose money, and therefore can be written off in taxes and also the people who worked on it can be stiffed from ever seeing royalties unless they negotiated the right sort of contract.
It's not *all* bad news. "Fuck You, Namco!" A VALVe vs Tekken 8 Tale was great to hear.
Please please please bring up Ross Scott’s stop killing games campaign
I'm surprised they haven't because Pat and Paige have said before that they watch Game Dungeon so it's not like they're unaware of who Ross is.
Please do not. He doesn't give a rat's ass about it succeeding and it's way too amateurish in its approach to be of any use.
@ I don’t understand your doomer attitude towards the only thing that’s trying to help out this situation.
@@blaiseoffury4866 you're not very bright, are ya?
My biggest wonder is "Why did it take this long for people to realize that digital isn't owning?" I figured that out during PS3 era. Anyone who's ever bought a game that was taken off the store later should have figured that out.
And to add to that, "You can't drive your car" comment: A lot of people are unknowingly falling into that exact trap, as well.
The Overton window shifted and people got lazy. I'm technically in this camp, as 95% game purchases are on steam nowadays, but it just became way too convenient to purchase a new game digitally and have it a part of your library forever. Now that consoles are out of style and people are heavily invested into digital libraries due to steam sales, people are starting to realize the money pit that is their library could disappear at the snap of a finger. The moment Gabe Newell dies is the moment that Valve really starts to go to shit, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like a subscription service is needed to keep games older than 10 years old.
As with all things, backup the stuff your care about.
I figured that out with Zeebo Double Dragon which is now FINALLY emulated and VERY worth it. I'd SAY that was the first major loss from digital games but no...we have the Satellaview library and also I seem to recall the Atari 2600 having a digital download service and people celebrating when Save the Whales was found and rescued...I wonder what other 2600 games we lost...
Woolie I gotta say, the lighting on your face with your setup has become so sharp between halves that its starting to look like you are trying to do a Vivec cosplay. I love it.
A straight line of light and dark lighting right down the middle of your face.
Ubisoft: "Actually, no. You don't own the food you just bought, give it back"
Worse. "Those nutrients in that food you bought? We are going to block your access." And then they hack off one of your fingers.
As far as the Crew goes, it was playable for a long while before it was taken away.
So Ubisoft shouldn't go for the person, they should look for decade old pieces of crap, hair, skin, etc and take those away.
Throw it back up now.
"Oh bet" Sticks finger in mouth and vomits it all over their suit.
Just a quick clarification to the "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" crowd:
You're right, its not theft they'll come after you for, it's Copyright Infringement. The redistribution of game files (ie. downloading, sending or moving game files by any digital means) creates "new" copies of a copyrighted work (the files). So they'll go after you for making illegal copies of those files as part of a copyright infringement suit.
Also, shout-out to the related terrible precedent that prevents non-copy-limited digital libraries from existing (whenever you move a file on any computer, the move function is actually a cut/paste because of how storage functions. It's been successfully argued in US court that a cut/paste function is still copyright infringement because it makes a "new" copy of a work despite the total number of existing copies remaining the same. This basically makes digital distribution or storage of any copyrighted work an act of copyright infringement unless you have the express permission of the rights-holder.) To be fair, you'd be unlikely to actually be attacked with this argument however, since it stands on questionable logic at best.
Ya Har matey, well if buyin means not ownin...
"Players should be used to not owning their games"
- Ubisoft
"Ubisoft should get used to getting shut down"
- Players
If purchasing isn't ownership, then piracy isn't theft.
show your work.
the good thing about Prince of Persia Lost Crown: On Console you can completely sidestep the stupid uplay Ubi bullshit so you don't need to worry about it
Physical>>>>>>>>>Digital.
Honestly the gaming industry phasing out physical sales so much is such a wild huge scam. They saved so much money on that conversion on sales distribution etc.
Like I just sold my old gaming collection from when I was little and got about 5-6 grand. Mostly old pokemon games etc were over 100 bucks and a few others. But if that all was just digital titles then not only would the have not been supported/playable anymore, and I wouldn't have been able to resell my games decades later.
You are aware they can still lock you up with a single patch right? This isnt 2003. Digital or physical, bc of online no game is ever safe
Unfortunately physical games arent physical games. they are physical licenses you have to have in the console to access the game. lots of them dont even house the game
Ubisoft is so burnt ou of my mind that besides AssAssCreed I don't even remember what their full list of games is like.
Ass sass in pee
Wild that they don't even mention Stop Killing Games during this video. Especially since it is mentioned in Article 35 of the lawsuit.
With all the crashing and fumbling they have been doing, they better get used to the idea of not owning their IPs.
11:33 - Gill colors Woolie: "It's Play-Doh colored."
If they're saying that we're buying a license then it should be cheaper if I buy a physical copy are they gonna send someone to steal it back. I digital should be way cheaper than buy physical maybe the judge should audit them to see where exactly the company is hurting.
its funny for sure and Ubisoft sucks but its also funny that the people still use this quote still without knowing that it was ripped out of context.
I built a new PC last year and the Newegg game freebie was Assassin's Creed Mirage, I never even claimed it because they wanted me not only Uplay, but some website i'd never heard of either to claim the code.
The game was FREE and I didn't take it.
Shame too because that One Republic song they commissioned was a banger.
I gotta say though as good as a platform Steam is, it really baffles me how Valve never gotten nearly as much flak about how Steam also doesn't let you own your games and is more or less the reason Ubisoft and a ton of other companies can do that. Patient zero for DRM games and a ton of other bad practicies (remember lootboxes?)
Honestly I don’t know why we don’t take it a step farther, literally let me pay you for the game’s code lol
with GOG u still only own a license. the difference is that the installers dont have DRM. so even if u lose the license, they cant just erase the installer from ur drives
8:40 Cyberpunk (CDPR) and I believe BG3 (Larian) launchers are handy cause you can toggle (most of) their supported mods on or off through them. More handy than Unconnect or Origin chugging and hardly functioning as an intermediary that doesn’t actually accomplish anything. If it’s really a bother, most games with launchers have command prompts that when entered in a games properties through Steam can bypass said launchers anyways.
"CONNECTING TO HITMAN SERVERS...." Oh hello Peacock!
I'm not expecting anything from that lawsuit. Someone pointed out that the brief may be AI written, and even if it isn't, there's a great deal of highly unprofessional language, such as sarcastically referring to customers as "plebeians".
plebian is a completely normal word. you're probably unaware of it's real meaning.
GoG is the best for this exact reason
This is why I'm trying to buy as many old physical copies of games as I can! When Rockstar got rid of the digital version of the original GTA3, VC, and SA and made ONLY the "Definitive" versions available, I finally realized that I need to get all the original physical copies! The same can be said with movies.
Preserve old physical media, guys!
Waiting for the person to go "No, physical sucks, digital all the way". Because there's always that guy around.
@@RippahRooJizah Funnily enough, I used to consider the positive aspect in terms of resource (from an enviromentalist aspect). Allthough I understand nowadays that companies don't really care about that aspect and just abuse the convenience of digital to take away your access to said product.
@@leithaziz2716 For me, it's not a matter of "Physical or digital", I do both.
While I have considered the environmental aspect of fewer physical copies around as well... honestly, both physical and digital have their pros and cons in which I wouldn't do either one fully.
In terms of the environment, I don't really worry about it when it comes to physical media. Hypothetically, if all discs, cartridges, and video tapes were to be removed, it would make a negligible impact on the health of the environment because of plastics from all other sources. To me, the benefits of keeping and preserving physical pieces of media far outweigh the negatives. I don't want a corporation or government to have the power to delete games, movies, or books they no longer want us to have access to for whatever reason.
Btw they can still lock you out of a game with a single patch thanks to online. It isn't matter of how you get your game but the fact companies are scummy
Oh I'm early.
Also you guys misspelled Ubisoft in the thumbnail
Ubisoft hasn't earned the right to have their name spelled correctly. That's too much respect for that company.
@@originalscreenname44 yeah more like poopisoft amirite?
@@originalscreenname44 yet you spelled it right. interesting that.
forget "if ac shadows doesnt do well the company's dead" i assumed ubi was dead the moment star wars outlaws didnt break even on their budget in the first month because how tf do you make an open world star wars game and NOT make a profit lmao
Star Wars is in the absolute shitter now, too, so it wasn't an incredible achievement that it flopped so bad. An achievement to be sure, but not one for the ages.
@@SuperfieldCrUn Star Wars is doing fine. not GREAT, maybe not even well, but fine. get off the internet for a while.
Tbh, if I ever really owned a game.
I wouldn't have gotten in trouble for copying and selling it 😂
We can just stop playing Steam single player games that have a launcher. That is an option; LOTS of indie games that don't do that.
Please acknowledge Ross Scott, you guys.... c'mon.....
he's the one who started this global movement against this and is actually making waves about it.
But I have an entire bookshelf full of games that I own.
theyre YOURS and no company can reach through the internet and tamper with them.
So Assassin's Creed Shadows will be their Final Fantasy? That's sad.
This isn't just a Ubisoft thing, though. This applies to every digital storefront that isn't GOG.
GOG can't legally claim that you own the games you buy from them because you don't own them either. To put it another way, if you bought a Star Wars DVD, you wouldn't expect Disney to be giving up their rights to the franchise or co-owning it with you. That's what ownership legally refers to. A license to play a game (and possibly also some plastic) is all you have ever been purchasing.
The reason Ubisoft shutting down a game they advertised as single-player but which was actually an MMO is shitty is completely unrelated to whether you own a game or not.
@@BenLubar "A license to play a game (and possibly also some plastic) is all you have ever been purchasing."
So then why have movie, or even music, companies never tried to send goons to peoples' houses and "revoke those licenses" by physical repossessing your disc, since that's apparently the same thing? Were they just too stupid to think of it before, or is it that that is considered "owning" the thing, and therefore illegal for them to come take what you purchased with your own money?
@@Ketsuekisan because that's not remotely like how a license works in any context?
The concern I have is that dvds had the same clause. So a lot of arguements have to be made very precise. Otherwise it may have an inverse effect, giving us less ground for ownership of our games.
Pretty sure I do b/c I have them all stored in SD cards, memory cards, external hard drives 😏
I support games not coming to Steam, idk how Canadians feel about Monopolies but I like there being SOME things that the biggest guys can’t do if only for the good of other businesses.
Then the other platforms need to improve their fucking services if they don't want steam to be a monopoly
240? You mean 295 or 296?
For anyone who's curious on what to look for incase you want to have full ownership of the product you buy, I've heard very good things about GOG's website. There's even a large push to make older 2000s game to run much more stable on current computers.
Correct, with GoG you download an installer, not the game. Meaning you can backup that installer and be able to install the game whenever you want.
GOG and Itchio and the occasional direct download from the developer are the only way I buy PC games. My 90s PC CDs still work the same as when I bought them, and that is how I buy PC games in a digital environment.
The thing is that consoles also allowed you to connect to private servers. Demon Souls (original) has a private server i can connect to on my PS3 TO THIS DAY. Many games let you have an option to play it after support had ended. The Crew's is, apparently, so strict in it's code that it doesn't allow private servers whatsoever. No Servers, game doesn't even start, it's literally a dud product in every way shape and form.
"MUSSSSSTARRRRRRRD"
if you use any specific engine or set of tools, absolutely you're going to have a hard time finding work at other places that don't use those specific tools. that's why it's important (if you're a programmer) to make sure you actually understand, in detail, what's going on under the hood in the tools you're using. and also have a solid background knowledge of computer science and c++, obviously.
still waiting for the pop remake!
If i buy something, i should have access to that thing. If you revoke my access, then at the very least i should have my money refunded.
Cyberpunk has a launcher?
Pso named drop in 2024 lets gooo
I didn't know Woolie played cyberpunk, wonder if he'll ever stream Reggie playing it.
I've never been able to keep Ubisoft logged in since AC3
Oh, PLAY-DOH colored. Thought he said "Plato" for a second, was very confused.
i have like hundreds of games epic gave out for free and I've literally only turned on 2 of them ever bc some friends asked me to play among us one time and i thought dnf duel might be fun to try out but couldn't afford it on steam
Guys seriously PLEASE PLAY PRINCE OF PERSIA LOST CROWN. CONSOLE VERSION DOESN’t NEED TO DEAL WITH UBISOFT PLAY
Mannnnnn Ive always wanted to love in the world of Cyberpunk.
imagine halfway through a game of chess with a set YOU own, the King of England (or Garry Kasparov) runs in and flips the table, because you didn't pay the extra $10/month.
that's basically what AAA studios have become.
I'm never buying another ubisoft game so long as the company lives. I'm pretty sure it wont be long now.
Again?
Yet again they forgot about EGS.
No they didn't. That's what the whole "Kingdom Hearts on PC for the first time" bit was about.
Ross Scott is not a man to be trifled with, it seems.
Look, having marketplace competition on PC is good BUT if ye launch a game on Steam, it shouldn't then open another launcher/storefront you've gotta connect to. Just stop please.
Also I agree with Uplay or whatev being the worst bc it's the only one that would just close games randomnly (no saving/boot to menu, just close the whole app) bc it THOUGHT I had disconnected from the internet. I hadn't, but even so it was stuff that should have been offline single player stuff....
I'll be real, the roguelike PoP game I was put off how it looked like a corporate design thing with the weird purple looking prince. Now it's a real looking character I'm actually gonna get it
I don't even play ubi games i have on steam because of uplay or whatever it's called now.
we are definitely going to live in a world without this bullshit. As indie developers have shown if there is a demand for something not being shitty, they will flock to that instead just for a moral victory. As a wise man once said "evil feeds upon itself". What we are seeing is just a repeat of the cycle of the first video game crash where companies become too greedy and implode on themselves like E.T.
Comcord broke a record, Ubi has published flops for more thana year.
We are starting to see it happen, and I am looking forward to it
May the Great Satan of Ubisoft fall, inshallah 🙏
it's like if hit man sed stfu I know you bought the first game but now that the third one gropes them all you cant play it anymore together buy the new one
That "gamers should get use to not owning games" made me not get the new Prince of Persia game because screw Ubislop
We can still own music, though. The industry that got pwned the most by p2p and digital distribution is hilariously the last bastion of ownership in art.
I will show my collection to my grandkids and then will learn the way of blegh.
YAR HAR FIDDLE DE DEE
dont be cute.
Ubi, fighting their customers to the bitter end.
Im of the belief that all games source code should be legally forced to be released to the public 10 years after initial release along with server codes so people can host their own servers and keep the game alive.
Morals and missing what video games used to be aside I don't have a particular problem with the concept of selling me a license however there must be consumer protection laws in place. Before purchase a message should pop up explaining this in as few words as possible. Because the real issue is the sneakiness of it all. "WARNING: you are not purchasing a video but a license to play. The developer / publisher reserves the right to shut down the games servers rendering the game unplayable to you"
I just wanna know how Steam will manage this because I have way too many games there and they better not take them away from me.
Morally, it's reprehensible. Realistically, this doesn't really change anything as far as gaming is concerned. Not with the number of people who buy games. We haven't owned any of the games in our Steam library for over a decade now. Has it actually mattered?
Considering people may half unironically use the term "Lord GabeN", no, it doesn't really matter for the most part.
Two decades, since Steam launched with Half-Life 2 in 2004
Let's be honest. If I ever owned anything since playstation. I woulda mass produced copies and sell them
does this mean in the future there will be repo men who will break into your house and steal your xbox?
like "oh you bought a licence to our game, not actually a copy of our game". THEN SHOW THE FUCKING RECEIPT UBISOFT! I AIN'T SEEIN NO LEGAL AGREEMENT DOCUMENT ANYWHERE!
you need to stop watching so many movies.
Yo prince of persia lost crown came out this year. January 18 2024. Get your facts straight pat.
I tried to play the POP demo on Switch but as soon as I saw Uplay I uninstalled
Considering the only way I'll play an Ubisoft game is for zero dollars, it's good to have permission to do so.
I feel like the only idiot who reads those ToS and hate when companies act like the villian and follow thru
Gamers will have to speak with their wallets on a unified level to make this business practice stop. Make studios & publisher hurt for money to the point they have to create only physical media that you fully own.
Like.
sue Take 2 for not letting you access the main single player mode in their basketball games after 2 years. that's the worst
Man can't wait for all the griftubers coming out of the mud when shadow fails.
The only grifting with that game I've seen has come from dirt bags like Mighty Keef and Grummz.
I also appreciate that Ubisoft is the one being hit by this. Remember, anyone who ever tells you "Your disc is meaningless, all games require internet anyway." or any variation thereof, is always been full of crap and is weirdly corporate bootlicking the phrase about not owning your games for absolutely no gain. There are exceptions, like for example *most* recent Ubisoft titles, but it is, and should hopefully continue to be not the standard practice. As long as people keep making their voices heard on it.
For some reason, I don't know why, but videogames are a medium where people will defend the companies when it isn't the case for others.
pirate music
BASED KEEP DOING IT
pirate shows/movies
BASED KEEP DOING IT
pirate anime
BASED KEEP DOING IT
pirate comics
BASED KEEP DOING IT
pirate books
BASED KEEP DOING IT
pirate video games
NOOOOOOOOOO NOT MY HECKEN CORPORATION YOU CAN'T DO THIS IT'S WRONG YOU'RE POOR YOU HAVE TO BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT NOW, THAT'S IT YOU FORCED MY HAND *reports site to Nintendo* HA NOW YOU CAN'T STEAL ANY MORE
@@SeruraRenge11thank god people had already saved everything from a certain site before that
Praying for Ubisoft to keep releasing boring-looking games I have zero interest in playing so it keeps being easy to not give them any money.
the people who are sue Ubisoft own the dices of "the craw" and can't even play off them. they own the cd dices of the game and no one can get that across.
uh, wanna try those sentences again?
@@miguelnewmexico8641 basicly they own copies of the game and they don't work anymore. that is what happen to the people of that story. that small fact gets left behind like hell any time someone talks about them suing Ubisoft.
I despise all those gaming corp shit launchers only ones I have installed rn are steam which is goated, bnet which is tolerable, and riot client which is barely tolerable
never Buy ubisoft games.
i will if i like it.
Every day when we get crap like this just makes the inevitable triple A gaming crash looks all the more better.
I only use Steam and I refuse to play any game through it that causes me to open a separate application or company launcher.
It is far too annoying and there are plenty of other games I can rather spend my time with