I remember watching this live but I love the raw satellite footage. Sounded like Keith Jackson was getting a little testy with his directors and producers. He seemed to know more of what was going on than they did. 😆 🤣
MY opinion and mine alone I never cared for Keith Jackson doing the races. He should have stuck to football as there he was excellent. In my opinion he was rather out of his element but he sure was there to collect the money and expense account he had for the races
I was impressed with how quick Harry Hyde and the team replaced the valence on the front of the car. They had to have it previously prepared bc at the high speeds they ran here, the Monte Carlo did have the issue with the air ripping the valence off the car when the car got turned around backwards So they must have had a quick fix made for it great job to Harry and the boys R.I.P. Tim Richmond. You are surely missed for what all you could have accomplished in NASCAR!
-whats your favorite car? -uhh the red and white one I'm glad brands changed some color schemes and new brands came in for nascar. Wonderful footage as always.
I watched this race at the time and immediately knew Bobby Allison was the winner. He got his lap back when he passed Marcus before the last caution. Then he blew everyone away on his new tires after the last pit stop.
One possible aspect of why the TV announcing for this race seems lackluster: Keith Jackson was a TV football announcer extraordinaire, but calling a race is a whole lot different than play-by-play calling of a televised college football game. It's a shame, too, since this was one of Bobby Allison's most noteworthy races where he came from far back to win. One could only imagine what the TV announcing of this race could have been with Mike Joy and Ken Squire at the mics.
The key thing to remember here is Raw Satellite Feed. The complete race as it was run, since the race was being shown on ABC's Wide World of Sports, the entire race could not be shown in that time frame. WWOS at that time was only a 90 minute program. Keith Jackson was more than just a football announcer, he was one of ABC's many announcers that were sent to cover a wide range of events, which is how it was done back in the day. ABC didn't stop this practice until they were able to hire Paul Page away from NBC in late September 1987. Keith Jackson was still used on occasion mainly for the Monaco Grand Prix, until 1990.
"Whoa Nelly & Earnhardt still has the lead!... Incredible!!" Yes, that was the Great Keith Jackson on that call of "The pass in the grass" so I'd say KJ was a little more than passable calling a Stockcar Race. Now I agree with this not being ABC's finest hour, but sure as hell wasn't Keith Jackson's fault! Plus, as Mr Haas so eloquently stated already in this thread, still light-years better than Lampley & Posey! 🤮 LOL!
Was an awesome Win for the Great Bobby Allison (Man Bobby was frig'n tough on the Super Speedway's, always a threat to the very end of his HOF Career 💪) but damn it was Heart-wrenching for both Marcus & Kenny 😖 I think everyone who watched Nascar back then knew Kenny Schrader was a Win waiting to happen, but I also think all those same folk's, me included, figured this was probably Dave Marcus's last best chance to Win a Cup race 😟
The 390 cfm carburetor worked much better than the foodstamp restrictor plate. Too bad NA$CRAP just didn't leave well enough alone. Hell, they could have even added 1/16" sleeves to the venturi and had an exact 1" opening to further slow them down but not kill the throttle response like that stupid turbulence inducing restrictor plate did. But I forget that their mission was to kill Bill Elliott and also Davey Allison's dominance....
To be fair, Davey Allison's crew was equally responsible for ruining his dominance many times. Been watching a lot of these reports and floored by the number of times bad put stops screwed Davey out of literally walking the field.
The coverage of this race was epically horrific. I mean the best parts were when the guys in the booth weren't saying anything, Donnie Allison actually wasn't that bad, but the other guy was clueless. Still a good race from the good ol' days.
Had not seen this until today - and recall it is a raw feed - so some of the edits on broadcast TV are not there. Keith Jackson seemed to know what was going on - but could not get clarification pretty much any time he asked for help - like confirmation Bobby was on the lead lap. Scoring was always a challenge before electronic timing and scoring came along.
@@MrChristopherHaas Hadn't heard that one - Sam loved obviously stupid questions so I could see it happening. Earnhardt suffered no fools unless he could play a practical joke on them.
Actually Keith Jackson wasn't as clueless as you think. He'd done Nascar coverage for numerous races for ABC Wide World of Sports dating back many years but they weren't full race telecasts. He was more known for his College football coverage. He actually was a big fan of Nascar racing.
He joked about how they couldn't put a race on the air with Dave Marcis leading about 50 laps in, and then he called Bobby Allison an "also ran" when Bobby was in front of Marcis at the end of the lead lap with like 15 to go...and they finished 1-2.
@@cnking27 his job is to promote and accentuate the positives throughout the field like ESPN cast always did lovingly. The thing is IT WORKED and I still remember my dad and I watching ALL FIRED UP and at the edge of our seats with fists clenched trying to pull Marcis home lol.
@@MrChristopherHaas It's that football and basketball mentality where a lot of people feel justified wanting the crappy teams to "stay in their place." I hate it.
Since most of the Firecracker 400's from this era, that are on here are from the actual ABC Wide World of Sports broadcast, except this one does make it seem like they were doing a bad job, however if the Raw Satellite feed was available for those, you might see something similar to this. They were trying to do it live, since the edited product had to be ready for broadcast later that afternoon. When this race ended ABC had approx 3 hours to get the tape ready for broadcast that afternoon. I remember seeing the 1988 version on here a few years ago and it is done in a similar fashion. The 1986 race was run on Friday and was broadcast was on Saturday, just as a example.
I was at this one....everybody thought Baker had won it and Allison a lap down. They didn't know til they came down pit road and Allison declared winner.
This race makes you realize just how important commentators are for a race. If only they would have had Ken Squire, Mike Joy or Buddy Baker. Hell, David Hobbs would have done a far better job.
Man I loved the 80s era the drivers and most specially the cars, they still had ungodly power ranging from around 650 without plates until the 90s went up to around 850hp without plates (just listen to those cars compared to now) and they were just learning and changing to more aero style cars and racing but it was still old school, and the stands were full....🙄
These era of cars did not have 890 h.p.... they barely had 600 h.p., especially with a much smaller carburetor...do your research and you'll see I'm correct
@@eddiedawkins19 for 2 or 3 seasons in the early 80s they played around with the HP down to around 650 but that didn't last, and yes they messed with the carburators too because they were trying to slow them down, the drivers hated it and weren't having it they complained about power and throttle response, just like they did in 2016 but they couldn't stop it this time, , for the most part they had over 800hp usually around 850 couple of yrs in the early 90s over 900, I've done my research and I've been into racing and NASCAR for over 30yrs, this is when they finally took the HP with these new environmentally friendly engines... This is from 2016--> syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2048474-breaking-down-the-debate-over-horsepower-as-nascar-heads-to-talladega.amp.html there is a quote in there that says what they were losing, it's common knowledge, for the most part until 2016 for a few seasons in the 90s especially when everything was changing with the cars and the tech the cars were over 800hp you my friend are the one that needs to do some research.....
Look even engines dont build but around 850 h.p., and the old style small block Chevy and Fords, will not biuld 890 h.p., with a naturally aspirated carburetor...At the regular tracks they ran a 850 cm carb and the smaller carb, I believe was a 390 cm carb, and at point with a 390, those engines would only build at best 450-475 h.p. at best
@@eddiedawkins19 its all right there on Google man, you believe what you want. I left a link to an article from 2016 that's in plain English and there are 100s of other sources on Google to research as well, and for the record what now its down to 425hp? NASCAR has NEVER run cars with 425hp that's a joke, the dodges in the early 70s had that out of the factory. I guess Jimmy Johnson didn't know what he was talking about either in that article.
The older race coverage is really far better than the current coverage ; the commentaters arent constantly speaking B.S. like todays commentaters , the quality of only naturally speaking when necessary is astoundingly ignored by todays generation .
ESPN/Bob Jenkins, Larry Nuber, Jerry Punch and Dick Bergrin really should've a gotten a hold of this race by 1982. No disrespect to the late great Keith Jackson or even Donnie Allison but they sound lost and confused here. The entire 80's and 90's were definitely ESPN/Speedworld's and CBS's time to shine and Wide World of Sports had become a thing of the past.
Schrader and Bobby had the best cars after Davey, Dale, and Bill had problems. But Schrader got gas only on his last 2 pit stops. His tires were completely gone.
This is the worst announcing team ever in NASCAR. And they announced the 1987 Winston. I wish they would've had someone else announcing that historical race
Kieth Jackson was a great announcer, it's just that racing wasn't his normal gig. I think, but not positive that the coverage of this race was in conjunction with other televised sports. That is like the old Wide World of Sports were they would show 10 or 20 laps then cut away to a horse race or something else. I think that is why there are such long periods of silence or meaningless chat between announcers and producers. You can hear Jackson talking about redoing the last segment before it was televised as this race wasn't shown on live t.v., but tape delayed. But I'd rather listen to him than today's blabber mouths (LeTarte and Burton).
@@cnking27 Dude you are smoking crack. I'll take Squier over Jackson. But as others here have said this wasn't his normal thing. I'm sure ABC was paying him plenty of coin for that era and they had to send him off to do something when it wasn't football season.
Keith Jackson was one of the best college football commentators of all time especially if Alabama or any Big Ten school was involved. As a NASCAR commentator, he sucked. Lol
This is a great race but has to be the worst announced race in history. Keith Jackson has no clue what is going on or who most of the drivers are. The do over at the end??
The reason why it sounded so disjointed was because this was the raw rough cut of the race. ABC Wide World of Sports would tape the whole race and commentate it live, but because all they aired was a shortened version, they could go in and fix commentary screw ups later before it aired. When you hear Keith Jackson talk about a "complete redo", that's what he was talking about lol. He knew right then they were going to have to go redo it later before it aired.
ABC came in when no one else wanted to. CBS had come down in 61 and televised two short events and said it was a success and went back to NY. Then they didn't come until years later. NASCAR turned to ABC and they agreed to come in. Races were edited for broadcast on Wide World of Sports, usually about 30 minutes worth of action were shown. Later they started showing shorter races live and the larger races they would go live around the start time and then go to other action and come back thru out the afternoon with updates and then show the finish live. CBS didn't get back in until 1975, after loosing The Kentucky Derby to ABC.
I remember watching this live but I love the raw satellite footage. Sounded like Keith Jackson was getting a little testy with his directors and producers. He seemed to know more of what was going on than they did. 😆 🤣
A pro amongst amateurs
MY opinion and mine alone I never cared for Keith Jackson doing the races. He should have stuck to football as there he was excellent. In my opinion he was rather out of his element but he sure was there to collect the money and expense account he had for the races
I was impressed with how quick Harry Hyde and the team replaced the valence on the front of the car. They had to have it previously prepared bc at the high speeds they ran here, the Monte Carlo did have the issue with the air ripping the valence off the car when the car got turned around backwards So they must have had a quick fix made for it great job to Harry and the boys
R.I.P. Tim Richmond. You are surely missed for what all you could have accomplished in NASCAR!
-whats your favorite car?
-uhh the red and white one
I'm glad brands changed some color schemes and new brands came in for nascar. Wonderful footage as always.
I watched this race at the time and immediately knew Bobby Allison was the winner. He got his lap back when he passed Marcus before the last caution. Then he blew everyone away on his new tires after the last pit stop.
One possible aspect of why the TV announcing for this race seems lackluster: Keith Jackson was a TV football announcer extraordinaire, but calling a race is a whole lot different than play-by-play calling of a televised college football game. It's a shame, too, since this was one of Bobby Allison's most noteworthy races where he came from far back to win. One could only imagine what the TV announcing of this race could have been with Mike Joy and Ken Squire at the mics.
The key thing to remember here is Raw Satellite Feed. The complete race as it was run, since the race was being shown on ABC's Wide World of Sports, the entire race could not be shown in that time frame. WWOS at that time was only a 90 minute program. Keith Jackson was more than just a football announcer, he was one of ABC's many announcers that were sent to cover a wide range of events, which is how it was done back in the day. ABC didn't stop this practice until they were able to hire Paul Page away from NBC in late September 1987. Keith Jackson was still used on occasion mainly for the Monaco Grand Prix, until 1990.
ANYONE was a step up from Jim Lamoley (ice skating announcer) and Sam Posey from previous seasons. Jackson/Allison carry themsslves like MEN at least
@@MrChristopherHaas Jackson called the 1975 Indy 500 with Jackie Stewart and he was amazing that day. I watch that race often.
Satellite feeds don’t have commercials. So, the long silence of voices is due to regular stations having commercials.
"Whoa Nelly & Earnhardt still has the lead!... Incredible!!"
Yes, that was the Great Keith Jackson on that call of "The pass in the grass" so I'd say KJ was a little more than passable calling a Stockcar Race. Now I agree with this not being ABC's finest hour, but sure as hell wasn't Keith Jackson's fault!
Plus, as Mr Haas so eloquently stated already in this thread, still light-years better than Lampley & Posey! 🤮 LOL!
Was an awesome Win for the Great Bobby Allison (Man Bobby was frig'n tough on the Super Speedway's, always a threat to the very end of his HOF Career 💪) but damn it was Heart-wrenching for both Marcus & Kenny 😖 I think everyone who watched Nascar back then knew Kenny Schrader was a Win waiting to happen, but I also think all those same folk's, me included, figured this was probably Dave Marcus's last best chance to Win a Cup race 😟
Exactly. It was great to see Marcis and Schrader leading. And then Kenny ends up upside down with Hard-luck Harry Gant wrecked again!
2:33:25 Glub, glub, glub, glub! 2:34:34 Get that fuckin' net down!
Now back to Al Trautwig so that we can see some barrel jumping, power lifting, or some badminton matches. Oh boy!!
Makes me appreciate the announcers of today that know what Nascar is about.
This is an AMAZING post! THANK YOU. First flag to flag Firecracker RIGHT HERE
i was eleven, when I watched this race from the infield. been a fan ever since.
The 390 cfm carburetor worked much better than the foodstamp restrictor plate. Too bad NA$CRAP just didn't leave well enough alone. Hell, they could have even added 1/16" sleeves to the venturi and had an exact 1" opening to further slow them down but not kill the throttle response like that stupid turbulence inducing restrictor plate did.
But I forget that their mission was to kill Bill Elliott and also Davey Allison's dominance....
To be fair, Davey Allison's crew was equally responsible for ruining his dominance many times. Been watching a lot of these reports and floored by the number of times bad put stops screwed Davey out of literally walking the field.
Yep, they had to slow the Fords at the superspeedways, especially Elliott & Davey Allison.
The announcers seem to know about as much as I know about watching tennis 🤣
Keith Jackson was terrible. Donnie knew what was going on but Keith had too bad of a temper for Donnie to be able to correct him.
They actually had to re-record the ending, because they originally thought Bobby was a lap down. I don't think Keith was too happy about that 😂.
The coverage of this race was epically horrific. I mean the best parts were when the guys in the booth weren't saying anything, Donnie Allison actually wasn't that bad, but the other guy was clueless. Still a good race from the good ol' days.
ANYONE was better than Lampley/Posey team they had been using. Apparently Earnhardt punching Posey in the nose previous year got rid of him. Thank god
Satellite feeds don’t have commercials. So the silence is for the regular stations having commercial breaks.
Had not seen this until today - and recall it is a raw feed - so some of the edits on broadcast TV are not there. Keith Jackson seemed to know what was going on - but could not get clarification pretty much any time he asked for help - like confirmation Bobby was on the lead lap. Scoring was always a challenge before electronic timing and scoring came along.
@@MrChristopherHaas Hadn't heard that one - Sam loved obviously stupid questions so I could see it happening. Earnhardt suffered no fools unless he could play a practical joke on them.
Actually Keith Jackson wasn't as clueless as you think. He'd done Nascar coverage for numerous races for ABC Wide World of Sports dating back many years but they weren't full race telecasts. He was more known for his College football coverage. He actually was a big fan of Nascar racing.
COMMENTATORS:
KEITH JACKSON
DONNIE ALLISON
TV NETWORK:
ABC
DATE:
4 JULY 1987
Senile Keith Jackson here. He called 2 of my favorite drivers “nobodies” lol.
Lol
He joked about how they couldn't put a race on the air with Dave Marcis leading about 50 laps in, and then he called Bobby Allison an "also ran" when Bobby was in front of Marcis at the end of the lead lap with like 15 to go...and they finished 1-2.
@@cnking27 exactly. Bobby Allison has “has been”? 🤪
@@cnking27 his job is to promote and accentuate the positives throughout the field like ESPN cast always did lovingly. The thing is IT WORKED and I still remember my dad and I watching ALL FIRED UP and at the edge of our seats with fists clenched trying to pull Marcis home lol.
@@MrChristopherHaas It's that football and basketball mentality where a lot of people feel justified wanting the crappy teams to "stay in their place." I hate it.
Run them wide open open engines no restriction separate the boys from the men
Ummm... They had restrictor plates on the enginesninb1987... Not as bad as the 1988 plates... But they were well restricted in 1987.
Matthew L. Lewis nope.
1:33:19 love those open face helmets & googles!
Starting Grid at 3:09
Since most of the Firecracker 400's from this era, that are on here are from the actual ABC Wide World of Sports broadcast, except this one does make it seem like they were doing a bad job, however if the Raw Satellite feed was available for those, you might see something similar to this. They were trying to do it live, since the edited product had to be ready for broadcast later that afternoon. When this race ended ABC had approx 3 hours to get the tape ready for broadcast that afternoon. I remember seeing the 1988 version on here a few years ago and it is done in a similar fashion. The 1986 race was run on Friday and was broadcast was on Saturday, just as a example.
I was at this live in person at the age of 4 years old!
I was at this one....everybody thought Baker had won it and Allison a lap down. They didn't know til they came down pit road and Allison declared winner.
This race makes you realize just how important commentators are for a race. If only they would have had Ken Squire, Mike Joy or Buddy Baker. Hell, David Hobbs would have done a far better job.
It’s a satellite feed. There’s no commercials so there’s no commentary while regular stations are at commercial breaks.
Man I loved the 80s era the drivers and most specially the cars, they still had ungodly power ranging from around 650 without plates until the 90s went up to around 850hp without plates (just listen to those cars compared to now) and they were just learning and changing to more aero style cars and racing but it was still old school, and the stands were full....🙄
These era of cars did not have 890 h.p.... they barely had 600 h.p., especially with a much smaller carburetor...do your research and you'll see I'm correct
These cars did not have 890 h.p., they barely had 600 h.p...Do your research and you'll see I am correct
@@eddiedawkins19 for 2 or 3 seasons in the early 80s they played around with the HP down to around 650 but that didn't last, and yes they messed with the carburators too because they were trying to slow them down, the drivers hated it and weren't having it they complained about power and throttle response, just like they did in 2016 but they couldn't stop it this time, , for the most part they had over 800hp usually around 850 couple of yrs in the early 90s over 900, I've done my research and I've been into racing and NASCAR for over 30yrs, this is when they finally took the HP with these new environmentally friendly engines... This is from 2016--> syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2048474-breaking-down-the-debate-over-horsepower-as-nascar-heads-to-talladega.amp.html there is a quote in there that says what they were losing, it's common knowledge, for the most part until 2016 for a few seasons in the 90s especially when everything was changing with the cars and the tech the cars were over 800hp you my friend are the one that needs to do some research.....
Look even engines dont build but around 850 h.p., and the old style small block Chevy and Fords, will not biuld 890 h.p., with a naturally aspirated carburetor...At the regular tracks they ran a 850 cm carb and the smaller carb, I believe was a 390 cm carb, and at point with a 390, those engines would only build at best 450-475 h.p. at best
@@eddiedawkins19 its all right there on Google man, you believe what you want. I left a link to an article from 2016 that's in plain English and there are 100s of other sources on Google to research as well, and for the record what now its down to 425hp? NASCAR has NEVER run cars with 425hp that's a joke, the dodges in the early 70s had that out of the factory. I guess Jimmy Johnson didn't know what he was talking about either in that article.
The older race coverage is really far better than the current coverage ; the commentaters arent constantly speaking B.S. like todays commentaters , the quality of only naturally speaking when necessary is astoundingly ignored by todays generation .
ESPN/Bob Jenkins, Larry Nuber, Jerry Punch and Dick Bergrin really should've a gotten a hold of this race by 1982. No disrespect to the late great Keith Jackson or even Donnie Allison but they sound lost and confused here. The entire 80's and 90's were definitely ESPN/Speedworld's and CBS's time to shine and Wide World of Sports had become a thing of the past.
Mike Helton comes through the shot at 2:37:53.
Oh no. The worst part of the broadcast.
Keith Jackson R.I.P
Kinda a bit sad knowing what Bobby and the Allison family would endure in the years to come he was one hellava driver.
Dave Marcus had this frickin' thing won - late caution gave the sharks a chance to catch up - Bobby had the best car after 9, 28 and 3 all had issues.
Announcers were clueless…..apparently so was nascar
I'll take Bob, Ned, and Benny over anyone in the biz!
Schrader and Bobby had the best cars after Davey, Dale, and Bill had problems. But Schrader got gas only on his last 2 pit stops. His tires were completely gone.
2:34:33
Never knew Schrader was capable of swearing and being pissed
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2:56:16
This is the worst announcing team ever in NASCAR. And they announced the 1987 Winston. I wish they would've had someone else announcing that historical race
Kieth Jackson was a great announcer, it's just that racing wasn't his normal gig. I think, but not positive that the coverage of this race was in conjunction with other televised sports. That is like the old Wide World of Sports were they would show 10 or 20 laps then cut away to a horse race or something else. I think that is why there are such long periods of silence or meaningless chat between announcers and producers. You can hear Jackson talking about redoing the last segment before it was televised as this race wasn't shown on live t.v., but tape delayed. But I'd rather listen to him than today's blabber mouths (LeTarte and Burton).
@@bigb4894 Yep. Ken Squire was way worse. I'd much rather hear Keith.
@@cnking27 Dude you are smoking crack. I'll take Squier over Jackson. But as others here have said this wasn't his normal thing. I'm sure ABC was paying him plenty of coin for that era and they had to send him off to do something when it wasn't football season.
@@gary24fan so I'm smoking crack but then you defend Jackson...like I did. youtube comment logic ftw.
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Coverage a cluster f
Keith Jackson was one of the best college football commentators of all time especially if Alabama or any Big Ten school was involved. As a NASCAR commentator, he sucked. Lol
It is a shame Keith Jackson got stuck announcing this race. He was bad! ABC should have had him do football and nothing else.
This is a great race but has to be the worst announced race in history. Keith Jackson has no clue what is going on or who most of the drivers are. The do over at the end??
The reason why it sounded so disjointed was because this was the raw rough cut of the race. ABC Wide World of Sports would tape the whole race and commentate it live, but because all they aired was a shortened version, they could go in and fix commentary screw ups later before it aired. When you hear Keith Jackson talk about a "complete redo", that's what he was talking about lol. He knew right then they were going to have to go redo it later before it aired.
Never seen commentators so clueless.
Pretty pathetic performance by Keith Jackson on this one
I like Keith Jackson but I take Bill Fleming and Jackie Stewart over him and Chris Econmaki, Jim Lampley and Sam Posey any day.
Non-existent announcers.
Kieth Jackson needs a drug test. Seems a wee bit stoned
ANYONEwas better than Sam Posey and the guy whose specialty was ice skating.
I could have sworn that was Rick Wilson that flipped on the last lap.I guess my memory isn't as good as I thought.
Asianorama Again Ken Schrader flipped.
This is embarrassing from a coverage standpoint. Jackson is awful. Marty frickin Reid did better
How did ABC ever get into nascar? This is terrible
ABC came in when no one else wanted to. CBS had come down in 61 and televised two short events and said it was a success and went back to NY. Then they didn't come until years later. NASCAR turned to ABC and they agreed to come in. Races were edited for broadcast on Wide World of Sports, usually about 30 minutes worth of action were shown. Later they started showing shorter races live and the larger races they would go live around the start time and then go to other action and come back thru out the afternoon with updates and then show the finish live. CBS didn't get back in until 1975, after loosing The Kentucky Derby to ABC.
@@danielbullock4703 I remember nascar on wide world of sport and seeing about 50 miles of a 500 mile race
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