What a great opportunity to get to hang out in the closest thing to "tractor heaven" at Tim and Christy's house! While it was a very long day, Tim and Christy were both wonderful and kind hosts. Having spent around 15 hours at their home with them on this day, I can say they are exactly the same off camera as they are on camera. Thanks again, Tim and Christy, for this opportunity!
Just started watching the video and when you mentioned Paragould AR, my ears perked up. I grew up in Senath, MO about 20 minutes away. I live in Southwest Indiana near Evansville IN. But I've got a house near Ravenden AR and it is next to our family farmland. You did awesome job in the video!
@@jordanchailland8444 I knew some Chailland's. I think one was a year or two younger than me. I graduated in 1980. I can't remember first names right off the bat. Maybe Brett Chailland. And of course, there was Chailland's Grocery store.
Kirk, how did using the Summit kit work with your hydraulic mower lift? I just received my Summit 4 spool kit and will be installing on a new 1025R I have on order. I ordered the 4 spool kit because, like you, I would like to have my mower lift on one of the Summit circuits. When I looked into ordering the Hydraulic Lift kit I noticed there is only ONE hose and port on the hydraulic cylinder. I called Summit and talked to a tech about that, asking how does the fluid return to the tank when the mower lowers. We came to the conclusion that the Summit system won’t allow the mower to lower. Can you shed some light on this since you have the hydraulic lift? Thanks, Steve
As someone that did hydraulic assembly for 30+ years, I have a couple of suggestions. First, when assembling fittings and screws into an aluminum block, all torque specs should be 1/2 of the specs for installing on a steel block. Second, when assembling fittings, it is best to apply a light film of hydraulic oil or grease to the o-ring. Dry assembly of the parts can tear the o-ring.
Hi Russ, everything in the kit from Summit that contacts hydraulic fluid came "pre-oiled". This includes the o-rings, the electric valves, and the aluminum block. The Deere power beyond kit, however did not. One of the steps in that kit mentioned oiling the o-rings before installation.
I think summit can just put this video link on the paper they send with the kit and people who don’t deal with this kind of work for a living can watch it as they put theirs together and great job Tim
I want to thank Tim and Christy for their hospitality. They are an amazing couple. This was a great opportunity to work with them and gain some knowledge from their years of experience. I hope this video helps everyone that buys this kit. My hydraulic lines for my top link just arrived last night. Going to work on installing that today.
I cannot pin two comments, Ryan! Wish I could! Did you get the hoses from shopgreendealer.com? I’ve been working with discounthydraulichose.com to get a hose kit ready too!
You are very helpful. As you go through these installations, you might make adjustments to the instructions. Pictures in the instructions and videos like this are so helpful. I have went to TH-cam for many things in the past 10 years. Teaching these young guys as you have in this video will encourage them want to help others.
Ordered a three valve setup from summit. Got it and two of the three solenoids were damaged where the electrical connection attaches to the valve unit. Emailed summit on Sunday with photos. Got an email Monday saying that the replacement solenoids were in the mail. Now that is 5 star service. The assembly was strait forward and the unit went together with no leaks. I just need a third hand. Its really a well engineered assembly. Even without the excellent customer service I would give them 5 stars for design and functionality.
This was another great hydrologic install video. I put the Summit 1025R diverter kit on a month ago and I used your video (Artillian) as well as a couple of others. This will definitely be added to my video library for when I get this kit. Thank you everyone involved in the making of it. God Bless
Tim, that was a great video! You are an excellent instructor being very patient and knowledgeable. You thoroughly explain all the steps and how the part works and interacts with the tractor. Christy, You did an excellent job filming and editing. I know that's not easy especially when you're at it all day. Great job. I can't wait to see the power beyond install.
I too found the instructions to be very vague. I'll have to rewire the valves. Was wondering why when I pushed the buttons it didn't click the valves. I used the electric mower lift plug to power it at first, but it doesn't have enough amps to activate the valves. Went to the battery, works fine now.
If I were Summit, I would offer an assembly option, so the folks that aren’t as confident about assembly could pay a little more, and opt to have it shipped already assembled. It may be worth $150-$200 to some people.
this puts me in mind of shop class back when I was in High School and I think you might have something here if you held classes to do things like this with your tractors. Have people bring their own and have a class showing them how to hook up and use their implements. Christy could also run classes for Ladies
Great video Tim and Christy! What a good way to add much more functionality to a SCT. Kirk and Ryan also show current, new and prospective owners, the increased usability and capability of their tractors. Blessings to all!
My 4720 (purchased used with 200 hours on it) came from the factory with 3 rear remotes. One is plumbed to a secondary lever, just inboard of the rocker shaft lever, but I still haven't figured out how the others are plumbed, or what operates them. There aren't any other controls besides the bucket, loader, rocker shaft and that smaller lever. I'm guessing the other two can be used if I take the FEL off and use the loader/bucket control for them. Right now, all I need is a top link cylinder and a pair of hoses. Great video, Tim! I always learn new stuff with each video.
FYI: there is a wiring harness for the cigarette lighter that comes up the back right fender and goes underneath the black upper plastic moulding. It provides power to the 12V plug and is on a 15A fuse. That is easy to tap into for power without the hassle of running to the fuse box. There isnt a great path to the fuse box that will ensure that your wire gets there and will absolutely never get caught in a shaft without taking stuff apart or putting holes in the frame for zip clips. Its far easier to tap into power at this harness. In fact i wish that the kit came with a plug extension that would tap off the harness so there is no messing with making connections
Tim, if you don't already know about them, there is a product out there called "HydraGrip" and essentially what it does is gives you an actual "handle" to grab your hydraulic hoses and make plugging them into the couplers easier, and a good bit less messy. I have one pair, and I'm about to order more. They come in all sorts of different colors and combinations, too. I thought about that when you were talking about the dust cap colors.
Well done instructional video on the install. Great product that allows a very interesting future of added hydraulic control. I'm sure they will both love it. Camera work was spot on perfect too.
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Thank you. This was great. I know I'll be watching this video and the future PB install more than once. I have not installed my PB or the rear valve kit yet waiting for your videos. Good job with the detail explanation on important steps.
Tim, the best way to start a bolt into any treaded hole is to just put the bolt into the UNTHREADED portion and let it go all the way in until it contacts the threaded part of the assembly. Now, put very light pressure downward on the bolt. Then, slowly rotate the bolt BACKWARDS until you feel a slight click. This indicates that the starting ends of the threads are in alignment and ready to screw it down. You will never cross thread if you follow this system!!!
Tim, would the valve assembly or hoses get in the way when using the backhoe, especially on the older units where you have to spin the operators seat around? Seems like a lot of stuff is a small space.
I suggest putting a little bit of tire chalk on the bolts going into the aluminum manifold. Helps keeping the aluminum threads from possibly gauling up. Antisieze helps but is more for keeping the threads from gauling. Works good for stainless steel bolts also. Ritual at work and saves allot of headaches
Yes ! I installed my 4 valve function on my 2020 1025r.you addressed my only complaint. .was instructions could have been more detailed for us dummies who very seldom work with and know hydrolics. When I first saw kit I would have 200$ more to have pre-assembled. .but now I wouldn't take it for the pride I feel knowing I did it...now my wife thinks I'm smart..lol
I like the way you were able to help both installs with your insight. That would become a challenge not having that knowledge but you just have to think your way through it. To add a front diverted would be a real benefit all the way around. Great video. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe.
I've been learning how to build manifolds at my new job and there would be an up charge for assembly, doesn't take long still there is some time involved. And definitely need to ship more carefully if they are assembled beforehand.
I admire the install kit . . . I just had my new JD 2025 R with loader and back hoe delivered on 05/28/2021 . . . I wish I could hook up the same set up as you show today . . . . and according to my new warranty agreement with John Deere ' I cannot install any aftermarket OEM parts on my new tractor . . I cannot weld any hooks on my new tractor because the welding machine may cause electrical damage . . and in hindsight . . . i would really never want to install anything other than oil and fuel in my tractor . . . its no secret . .I paid over 30k for my tractor with a few more options and additional add on. . . I am not in a DYI position and I would never ever attempt this kind of install . . . its like my Harley Davidson . . . I dont work on my harley because I dont want to walk home . . I admire your skills and your ability . . but with me.. I only like to turn the ignition key right to left . . Great Job . . . I did click a like and I did click subscribe
Welcome Anthony! You are obviously welcome to have someone else do your service and modifications. No worries. However, you are reading the warranty more strictly than necessary. You can weld hooks on your bucket. Deere would have to PROVE that the welding of the hooks caused whatever issue you encounter. In that example, there is no realistic way that would happen. Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Hello, Nice. I lube the O-rings with oil before install and I use some sealing 577 loctite on all the threads (even the ones with seals) except on the 4 small diameter valve bolts. On those 4 per valve I put some oil or grease. Cheers from Belgium
Tim, I have a "bucket" cement mixer on the loader of my Massey 573. How can I control the mixer at the mixer instead having to have someone in the cab to use the aux hydraulics to control it? The mixer needs to be reversed back and forth as you mix and to unload.
I just installed a third function with 1 rear remote from summit, on a Bx23s. This video was done 2 years ago and Tim said the instructions were not very good. He’s correct. The instructions are horrible. They obviously hadn’t updated them. I had to call summit multiple times to get clarification. The kit came in without any labels on the fittings. The bolts for the mounting bracket to the rops were way too long and was unusable, I had to buy shorter bolts. The locations to route hoses were tight and they make it seem like these hoses are flexible, but they’re not. The install took very long. It’s working without problems now, but I’d pay summit to install this kit next time. Just to have them see their instructions and some materials needs updating.
For those of us who followed your lead and mounted our toolbox backwards, so that it sits along the right armrest, it appears that it will interfere with the switch bracket. 😉
I have watched the videos but I have a question, I have a new 3038e and I wanted to add rear hydraulics 4 port, now do I need to have the power beyond, what exactly does this do? Thanks Garry
Yes. Power beyond extends the hydraulic loop ‘beyond’ the tractor. You need it to connect the EVK unit from summit. You can get the power beyond from Sunmit or Deere.
When you did your installs in this video, was the Summit Hydraulic joystick an option? If it was an option, why did you choose rocker switches versus the joy stick option? I am wanting to do the 4 spool unit so trying to figure out the size of the joy stick option as compared to the rocker switches set up? I am leaning to the joy stick option. Any feedback on the joy stick versus rocker switches? In the off set flail mower video you note the install of a restrictor valves to allow for smoother implement control. I am purchasing an off set flail mower. Did you try the flail mower with restrictor valves or your familiarity with the switches became better and no need for the restrictor valves? If you used he restrictor valves, how many did you use and and where do they get installed? I look forward to your feedback. Thank you for all the videos. Jim
@@TractorTimewithTim I already have a front kit from Artillian which operates my front grapple and snowplow depending on time of year etc. Summit Hydraulics seems to offer the 4 spool joystick with the rear 4 spool hydraulic kit or it comes with the 4 rocker switches. While wearing gloves can one easily work the joystick with its functions? How easy is the joystick to operate? I am awaiting photos of the joystick to decide if that is the way I was to go or use the rocker switches. I also watched your episode on the thumb install. As I have a 2006 John Deere 2320 the backhoe that I bought with it is a John Deere 46 Backhoe (not something ending with a zero). To your knowledge is there a thumb option for the 46 backhoe?
Given that you already have a front kit…with a joystick button, right? …then you would not want the summit joystick. The 4 switches work great! Don’t forget code ttwt
I'm curious if galvanic corrosion will be a problem by bolting steel to the aluminum block? I will say, it's a well engineered kit. Thanks for the vid.
Hello Tim. I just installed the kit on a 3320 and I’d like to share my thoughts. First thing, good option for rear hydraulics off the power beyond. That said just a couple of observations, a few hiccups, and one real complaint. Let me first say, you’re video is a must see for the novice before attempting. I was a Millright at the power plant in my past life, so I was fine, but I can see how the enclosed directions are lacking. Secondly, I understand the kit isn’t model specific, That would be just too expensive and therefore not feasible. Based on that I had to call Summit prior to ordering for clarification. The ROPS isn’t 2 or 3 inches, it’s rectangular, 2x3. Customer service said “ just get the 3 inch one ,” so I did. Nothing fit. Bolts supplied are too long. Ok, I bought new bolts. At the same time the slot spacing is too short. How can both of those things happen? Ok well I drilled out the plates and made them work. I’ll also have to buy a few hydraulic fittings for my particular application, to be expected and nothing too bad yet. Now for my real complaint. The only bracket that’s any good at all is the one the unit bolts to. All other brackets and plates aren’t heavy enough. Backer plates all bent when tightening on the ROPS. I’ll live with that also. Here’s the one piece that isn’t going to work at all. The mount for the controller is just too flimsy. You really need to change that to something more stout. It flexes back and forth all day during operation. The worst is it whips back and forth in the wind when trailering. So bad I had to stop and take it off. Please upgrade that part. If you were to send me an upgraded part that was much sturdier, that would be great, but if not I’ll just have to make something myself. I’m a huge fan and love everything you do, and thank you again for taking the time, with Summit Hydraulics, to come up with this solution. Joe.
I am confusion. Does the power beyond kit allow one to utilize hydraulic implements? Specifically a hydraulic top link. Or is the rear hydraulic diverter valve necessary to allow one to have control over the pressure/flow running through those two hoses provided by the power beyond kit?
Love these types of videos ! However I own a Kubota B2601 that I would love to put hydraulic top link and hydraulic side lift on. Now I would like to see what doing this on a Kubota is like from start to finish. Thanks.
I did not see the power beyond video, but Tim I have now have a Mahindra 1626 with a backhoe. Can't I use that circuit to the backhoe to install the Summit kit? From what I have read, I can, but I trust your opinion over someone that I don't know anything about. I will also want to install a 3rd function eventually.
Yep. You can use the backhoe connections. That is a ‘power beyond’. You can also connect the backhoe at the same time by connecting it ‘in series’ with the summit EVK or FR kit.
Tim, I bought the Summit 4 valve rear remote. I have found that the directions are not very clear. I was able to dry fit everything to make sure all the parts were in the place. You were wondering if it would be economical to have Summit preinstall parts. Better yet, how about a step by step video from Summit.
They have just now updated the instructions! I just got a preview copy yesterday morning. Please email them asking if they have updated instructions available. The new instructions (for the front and rear kit) that I got yesterday are much better. 20 plus pages with full parts breakdowns, etc.
Thank you for this video explained a lot of the questions I had and I think I can follow basically the same procedure on my 2305 which is an older tractor but I think I want to mount mine on the opposite side of the tractor cuz I have the backhoe on and I don't want in my way
You can easily make up your own rear remotes if you already have the rear hydraulics for a backhoe. I have the 2305, the hydraulics for the backhoe don't have any controls. But for 100 bucks i bought a open valve and some hoses. I just have to disconnect the valve when i want to use the backhoe.
Careful. Most monoblock valves do not support backpressure on the T port. The Deere power Beyond has pressure on the T port when the 3 point is operated. So, even though it works now, it likely won’t work for long unless you found a specific valve which DOES support up to 3000 psi on the T port.
Tim when you showing this set up the first time you got question can run something continuously you should be able to if you change one of switches to off on only the problem I see is you have to wire it so there is no power to valve with the key is off other wise you burn out a coil.
Hi Tim, Have a Branson (Kukje) 2400H and do not have rear remote power. I investigated the loader valve and will determine power beyond connection. I need a box blade hy. top link and am adding a hy. Offset flail mower which requires 4 connections. Please advise. Spoken with Summit and Brand but hy. setup is still unclear. Thanks!
Does this kit work TOGETHER with a backhoe? For example, I need to have working backhoe and a thumb in the back, and third function in the front. Where backhoe must be connected in this configuration (since it has to be disconnected from the power beyond)? Do I connect it into the one pair of new ports? I am confused how it will work with the electrical valve controlling those ports.
Hi Tim, thanks for this video! Quick question though. You said you broke one at 96 inch pounds, yet my directions call for 10 ft lbs... Did something change? I don’t really feel like snapping those off. Thanks
Hmm, they shouldn’t need that much. I later learned that I had them mounted wrong, which was causing my leaks. By then, I may have damaged the aluminum block. I had them off/on 6 or more times. The new one I got was no problem.
I finished my install of the FR2-JD1 today, a tip for those yellow plugs, use a small allen wrench from the other side and tap, they will pop right out
Tim, I have a 2038R with the backhoe attachment. The Power beyond connections operate the three point hitch lift, when I disconnect to connect to the backhoe I loose the three point hitch lift. How do I work this out? Have you have added the Summit Valves to your 2038R?
I'm looking to put a kit on the back of my BX 23S. Looks simple. Any reason I can't just plug into the backhoe ports since it would be off the machine when I run rear remotes.
Thanks Tim for this video! I have 2 questions though, maybe you have an idea : The hydraulic lines are double acting, but is it possible to put an hydraulic line in float mode ? The block with all hydraulic lines is fixed on the rops verticaly , is it possible to put it horizontaly ?
What do I need to put a snowblower on the front of my John Deer 1025r tractor? Where can I buy and DYI install everything. John Deer is too expensive. If you can help let me know sir ! Thank you! Enjoy your videos
Hey Tim and Christy, great instructional video as always! Been looking at putting this on my 2020 2025r with factory cab. Was looking to add third function loader, also hook a cylinder up to the deflector on my blower and have remote for rear hydraulics. keep reading that power beyond is not compatible with factory cab. Wondering if you knew the reasoning behind that? Was thinking they say it can't be done because you can't put a backhoe on with the factory cab. Looks like it's possible to me ( although a huge pain), especially if one uses the power beyond kit from summit that uses hoses rather than hard lines. I understand that I would have to do some modifications on bracket placement for both power beyond and rear scv, think they cold be mounted on bar across back of cab under window. Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for all the videos!
Tim, on the rear hydraulics kit, the slots in the valve plate and the switch plate are not built correctly, because the shim plates are designed as short as possible and don't also have a slot. As the ROPS is slanted, the plates can't mount level. I'll either need to drill the holes into slots, or make longer shim plates, with a slot on one end.
@@TractorTimewithTim I have the standard 2" rops. I took a pic to explain the issue, but don't know how you attach to TH-cam. I'll send you on Facebook. -Jon.
Tim, I was thinking the slots in the plates were for adjustment, but I guess they are for the 2" or 3" rops sizing. Although I have the 2" rops, I'm trying to order the 3" shims, which will allow me to mount the plate level, while the rops is sloped. I noticed in the video that the valves were angled just like the rops and realized you designed them to fit snugly following that angle, and the slots were not intended for an adjustment function. When I get my larger shims I'll send you the finished project. Thanks Tim!
One tip from my experience with electric/hydraulic solenoid operated valves: Cycle them frequently, even if you have nothing plugged in! If you don't, there is a very good chance they will "stick" and require disassembly to fix-if you're lucky, replacement if you're not.
I did install a 4 spool/front third function on my 2025r. And I am trying to figure how to connect my backhoe to this. Some said it has connected in series. I think I need a little more explanation. To those that could help me thank you !
Tim do you think that we could use Red Loctite on the threads that go into the aluminum block? I’m just curious I’m not sure if that would help with hydraulic leakage.
No. First, I would never suggest bred locktite. That is the ‘never gonna come out’ version, right? You may have a valve failure at some point and would need to replace. Second, the leakage would not be related to the screws loosening. Rather, it would be a poor seal around those o-rings. I think the likelihood of leaks is low. The only ones I had were user error (my error) as it turns out!
Yep. It will work. You must have power beyond. You should be able to get a power beyond kit from your Mahindra dealer. (It would be necessary for a backhoe). If you already have a backhoe, then you are set!!
Your videos are awesome and educational! Do they make this setup for other makes of tractors? I have a cub cadet Ex3200 made by yanmar, I would love to get hydraulics on the back. Thanks for all your help
Tim, I liked the presentation and this setup looks good. I do have a question for you. I have a Kubota with a backhoe. It has the return and supply type hoses. When I attach the backhoe, I disconnect the loop, and hook it into the backhoe. Is there a setup, where I can add in the extra rear valves, and still have the bypass loop for the backhoe where I would just loop it back again once I remove the backhoe and add back my 3Point?
@@TractorTimewithTim yes, I have power beyond as you mentioned in the other thread, as I do have the Kubota Backhoe attachment also. Have to have that too.
The rear scv solution IS INDEED compatible with your NH 25s. As long as you have the backhoe, you will have the Power Beyond kit. If you do NOT have the backhoe, you'll need to get the Power Beyond added. There is ONE difference. You will need to get different couplers for connecting to the PB. Yours has 3/8 couplers, this kit has 1/2" couplers (for connecting to PB). Your dealer should be able to help with that.
@@TractorTimewithTim looking at the back of my tractor i believe i have "connections" available stock. Is there a way to get in contact with you to confirm this? Mind you, I'm new to the tractor life.
@@TractorTimewithTim another comment or question on the valve kit. Are they momentary or static? If they're not momentary I think that should be an option.
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What a great opportunity to get to hang out in the closest thing to "tractor heaven" at Tim and Christy's house! While it was a very long day, Tim and Christy were both wonderful and kind hosts. Having spent around 15 hours at their home with them on this day, I can say they are exactly the same off camera as they are on camera. Thanks again, Tim and Christy, for this opportunity!
Just started watching the video and when you mentioned Paragould AR, my ears perked up. I grew up in Senath, MO about 20 minutes away. I live in Southwest Indiana near Evansville IN. But I've got a house near Ravenden AR and it is next to our family farmland. You did awesome job in the video!
@@jordanchailland8444 I knew some Chailland's. I think one was a year or two younger than me. I graduated in 1980. I can't remember first names right off the bat. Maybe Brett Chailland. And of course, there was Chailland's Grocery store.
@@onthefritzfarm7858 Bret Chailland is my uncle.
@@jordanchailland8444 it's coming back to me. Greg Chailland was a year a head of me.
Kirk, how did using the Summit kit work with your hydraulic mower lift? I just received my Summit 4 spool kit and will be installing on a new 1025R I have on order. I ordered the 4 spool kit because, like you, I would like to have my mower lift on one of the Summit circuits. When I looked into ordering the Hydraulic Lift kit I noticed there is only ONE hose and port on the hydraulic cylinder. I called Summit and talked to a tech about that, asking how does the fluid return to the tank when the mower lowers. We came to the conclusion that the Summit system won’t allow the mower to lower. Can you shed some light on this since you have the hydraulic lift? Thanks, Steve
As someone that did hydraulic assembly for 30+ years, I have a couple of suggestions. First, when assembling fittings and screws into an aluminum block, all torque specs should be 1/2 of the specs for installing on a steel block. Second, when assembling fittings, it is best to apply a light film of hydraulic oil or grease to the o-ring. Dry assembly of the parts can tear the o-ring.
Hi Russ, everything in the kit from Summit that contacts hydraulic fluid came "pre-oiled". This includes the o-rings, the electric valves, and the aluminum block. The Deere power beyond kit, however did not. One of the steps in that kit mentioned oiling the o-rings before installation.
Thank you for this info on the torque specs. I was wondering about that!
I think summit can just put this video link on the paper they send with the kit and people who don’t deal with this kind of work for a living can watch it as they put theirs together and great job Tim
I want to thank Tim and Christy for their hospitality. They are an amazing couple. This was a great opportunity to work with them and gain some knowledge from their years of experience. I hope this video helps everyone that buys this kit. My hydraulic lines for my top link just arrived last night. Going to work on installing that today.
I cannot pin two comments, Ryan! Wish I could!
Did you get the hoses from shopgreendealer.com? I’ve been working with discounthydraulichose.com to get a hose kit ready too!
@@TractorTimewithTim I ordered my hoses and fittings from Summit Hydraulics.
You are very helpful. As you go through these installations, you might make adjustments to the instructions. Pictures in the instructions and videos like this are so helpful. I have went to TH-cam for many things in the past 10 years. Teaching these young guys as you have in this video will encourage them want to help others.
Ordered a three valve setup from summit. Got it and two of the three solenoids were damaged where the electrical connection attaches to the valve unit. Emailed summit on Sunday with photos. Got an email Monday saying that the replacement solenoids were in the mail. Now that is 5 star service. The assembly was strait forward and the unit went together with no leaks. I just need a third hand. Its really a well engineered assembly. Even without the excellent customer service I would give them 5 stars for design and functionality.
This was another great hydrologic install video. I put the Summit 1025R diverter kit on a month ago and I used your video (Artillian) as well as a couple of others. This will definitely be added to my video library for when I get this kit. Thank you everyone involved in the making of it. God Bless
Make it as an option coming completely assembled would be Priceless for some people
Tim, that was a great video! You are an excellent instructor being very patient and knowledgeable. You thoroughly explain all the steps and how the part works and interacts with the tractor.
Christy, You did an excellent job filming and editing. I know that's not easy especially when you're at it all day.
Great job. I can't wait to see the power beyond install.
I too found the instructions to be very vague. I'll have to rewire the valves. Was wondering why when I pushed the buttons it didn't click the valves. I used the electric mower lift plug to power it at first, but it doesn't have enough amps to activate the valves. Went to the battery, works fine now.
If I were Summit, I would offer an assembly option, so the folks that aren’t as confident about assembly could pay a little more, and opt to have it shipped already assembled. It may be worth $150-$200 to some people.
this puts me in mind of shop class back when I was in High School and I think you might have something here if you held classes to do things like this with your tractors. Have people bring their own and have a class showing them how to hook up and use their implements. Christy could also run classes for Ladies
Whew. Not sure you could afford it! We worked 9am to midnight on this project!
@@TractorTimewithTim I thought these were training videos
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I learn something from Tim even though I don't plan on it
Great video Tim and Christy! What a good way to add much more functionality to a SCT. Kirk and Ryan also show current, new and prospective owners, the increased usability and capability of their tractors. Blessings to all!
My 4720 (purchased used with 200 hours on it) came from the factory with 3 rear remotes. One is plumbed to a secondary lever, just inboard of the rocker shaft lever, but I still haven't figured out how the others are plumbed, or what operates them. There aren't any other controls besides the bucket, loader, rocker shaft and that smaller lever. I'm guessing the other two can be used if I take the FEL off and use the loader/bucket control for them. Right now, all I need is a top link cylinder and a pair of hoses.
Great video, Tim! I always learn new stuff with each video.
Well done Tim, Christy & New Friends!
This is was a good install vid. Love the viewer interaction. Good job Tim and Christy.
Kirk putting Arkansas on the map by being on TTWT!
FYI: there is a wiring harness for the cigarette lighter that comes up the back right fender and goes underneath the black upper plastic moulding. It provides power to the 12V plug and is on a 15A fuse. That is easy to tap into for power without the hassle of running to the fuse box. There isnt a great path to the fuse box that will ensure that your wire gets there and will absolutely never get caught in a shaft without taking stuff apart or putting holes in the frame for zip clips. Its far easier to tap into power at this harness. In fact i wish that the kit came with a plug extension that would tap off the harness so there is no messing with making connections
Tim, if you don't already know about them, there is a product out there called "HydraGrip" and essentially what it does is gives you an actual "handle" to grab your hydraulic hoses and make plugging them into the couplers easier, and a good bit less messy. I have one pair, and I'm about to order more. They come in all sorts of different colors and combinations, too. I thought about that when you were talking about the dust cap colors.
Well done instructional video on the install. Great product that allows a very interesting future of added hydraulic control. I'm sure they will both love it. Camera work was spot on perfect too.
How do you control the scv on the summit through the power beyond. I have a 2038R. Thanks for all your videos.
In January 2021 I bought parts from Summit and made a front duel Hydraulic kit for my Kubota L2501, love them and they have been trouble free.
Thank you! Looking forward to the Power Beyond install video!
I'm putting a 3rd function for my front bucket. And going to rought to the rear for the thum or for box blade
Hi Tim I just order the rear scvs but you didn’t say were you got your top link for you 1025R
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Great kit Tim and Summit, glad to see this on the market finally!
Thank you. This was great. I know I'll be watching this video and the future PB install more than once. I have not installed my PB or the rear valve kit yet waiting for your videos. Good job with the detail explanation on important steps.
Tim, the best way to start a bolt into any treaded hole is to just put the bolt into the UNTHREADED portion and let it go all the way in until it contacts the threaded part of the assembly. Now, put very light pressure downward on the bolt. Then, slowly rotate the bolt BACKWARDS until you feel a slight click. This indicates that the starting ends of the threads are in alignment and ready to screw it down. You will never cross thread if you follow this system!!!
Tim, would the valve assembly or hoses get in the way when using the backhoe, especially on the older units where you have to spin the operators seat around? Seems like a lot of stuff is a small space.
I suggest putting a little bit of tire chalk on the bolts going into the aluminum manifold. Helps keeping the aluminum threads from possibly gauling up. Antisieze helps but is more for keeping the threads from gauling. Works good for stainless steel bolts also. Ritual at work and saves allot of headaches
Thank you all for providing the video and the solutions. For me, I would rather have the kit put together so that I would just have to mount it.
I don't have much spare time.
What a great experience for the four of you. Did I get the power beyond because I got the factory TLB?
Yes ! I installed my 4 valve function on my 2020 1025r.you addressed my only complaint. .was instructions could have been more detailed for us dummies who very seldom work with and know hydrolics. When I first saw kit I would have 200$ more to have pre-assembled. .but now I wouldn't take it for the pride I feel knowing I did it...now my wife thinks I'm smart..lol
Hey, if your wife thinks you are smart, you are set!!!
Tim I'm glad you made this video because I want to install rear hydraulics for a hydraulic top link. Thank you.
Do you guys know of a resource that makes something similar for a JD 870?
If you wanted to do a video with a cab installed on these.... I'm game! I have a cozy cab on my 2015 1025r. I'm in South Bend, IN Thanks Tim!
I like the way you were able to help both installs with your insight. That would become a challenge not having that knowledge but you just have to think your way through it. To add a front diverted would be a real benefit all the way around. Great video. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe.
I've been learning how to build manifolds at my new job and there would be an up charge for assembly, doesn't take long still there is some time involved. And definitely need to ship more carefully if they are assembled beforehand.
Would it be possible to get a close up of the valve supplied with the hydraulic symbol diagram in clear view?
You’re a great teacher Tim, great video 👍🏻
I admire the install kit . . . I just had my new JD 2025 R with loader and back hoe delivered on 05/28/2021 . . . I wish I could hook up the same set up as you show today . . . . and according to my new warranty agreement with John Deere ' I cannot install any aftermarket OEM parts on my new tractor . . I cannot weld any hooks on my new tractor because the welding machine may cause electrical damage . . and in hindsight . . . i would really never want to install anything other than oil and fuel in my tractor . . . its no secret . .I paid over 30k for my tractor with a few more options and additional add on. . . I am not in a DYI position and I would never ever attempt this kind of install . . . its like my Harley Davidson . . . I dont work on my harley because I dont want to walk home . . I admire your skills and your ability . . but with me.. I only like to turn the ignition key right to left . . Great Job . . . I did click a like and I did click subscribe
Welcome Anthony! You are obviously welcome to have someone else do your service and modifications. No worries. However, you are reading the warranty more strictly than necessary. You can weld hooks on your bucket. Deere would have to PROVE that the welding of the hooks caused whatever issue you encounter. In that example, there is no realistic way that would happen.
Thanks for watching and subscribing!
@@TractorTimewithTim Thank you Tim . . I watch and enjoy all your series . . .your honest and very talented . . . Thank you . . .Tony
Tim Christi this a great demonstration on how to install as you written instructions are at the mercy of the writer
God Bless All
PaK
Thanks for the video.
I am planning to install the three valve kit on my 3038E in a few more days to run my grapple and top link.
Another video showing the new front 3rd function option coming tomorrow morning.
Awesome tutorial Tim! You’re getting much closer to purchasing a compact tractor. Thanks.
I meant getting me much closer to my first ever tractor. Just trying to decide on which Brand and who has the best service?
Subcompact size?
@@TractorTimewithTim 24 -26 HP range.
This video is incredibly helpful! Thanks so much for making it. We just bought a 3025E. Will this work equally well on this tractor?
Hello,
Nice. I lube the O-rings with oil before install and I use some sealing 577 loctite on all the threads (even the ones with seals) except on the 4 small diameter valve bolts. On those 4 per valve I put some oil or grease.
Cheers from Belgium
Tim, I have a "bucket" cement mixer on the loader of my Massey 573. How can I control the mixer at the mixer instead having to have someone in the cab to use the aux hydraulics to control it? The mixer needs to be reversed back and forth as you mix and to unload.
If you had this solution, you could do so with an electrical extension cable. Summit could build you such an extension cable.
I just installed a third function with 1 rear remote from summit, on a Bx23s. This video was done 2 years ago and Tim said the instructions were not very good. He’s correct. The instructions are horrible. They obviously hadn’t updated them. I had to call summit multiple times to get clarification. The kit came in without any labels on the fittings. The bolts for the mounting bracket to the rops were way too long and was unusable, I had to buy shorter bolts. The locations to route hoses were tight and they make it seem like these hoses are flexible, but they’re not. The install took very long. It’s working without problems now, but I’d pay summit to install this kit next time. Just to have them see their instructions and some materials needs updating.
For those of us who followed your lead and mounted our toolbox backwards, so that it sits along the right armrest, it appears that it will interfere with the switch bracket. 😉
Uhoh. That is what you get for paying any attention to me!! You’ll figure it out!
I have watched the videos but I have a question, I have a new 3038e and I wanted to add rear hydraulics 4 port, now do I need to have the power beyond, what exactly does this do? Thanks Garry
Yes. Power beyond extends the hydraulic loop ‘beyond’ the tractor. You need it to connect the EVK unit from summit.
You can get the power beyond from Sunmit or Deere.
When you did your installs in this video, was the Summit Hydraulic joystick an option? If it was an option, why did you choose rocker switches versus the joy stick option? I am wanting to do the 4 spool unit so trying to figure out the size of the joy stick option as compared to the rocker switches set up?
I am leaning to the joy stick option. Any feedback on the joy stick versus rocker switches?
In the off set flail mower video you note the install of a restrictor valves to allow for smoother implement control. I am purchasing an off set flail mower. Did you try the flail mower with restrictor valves or your familiarity with the switches became better and no need for the restrictor valves?
If you used he restrictor valves, how many did you use and and where do they get installed?
I look forward to your feedback.
Thank you for all the videos.
Jim
I already had Deere 3rd function. Didn’t need the joystick upgrade. …but yes, if you need front kit, get the ‘FR’ kit, this will include the joystick.
@@TractorTimewithTim I already have a front kit from Artillian which operates my front grapple and snowplow depending on time of year etc.
Summit Hydraulics seems to offer the 4 spool joystick with the rear 4 spool hydraulic kit or it comes with the 4 rocker switches. While wearing gloves can one easily work the joystick with its functions? How easy is the joystick to operate? I am awaiting photos of the joystick to decide if that is the way I was to go or use the rocker switches.
I also watched your episode on the thumb install. As I have a 2006 John Deere 2320 the backhoe that I bought with it is a John Deere 46 Backhoe (not something ending with a zero). To your knowledge is there a thumb option for the 46 backhoe?
Given that you already have a front kit…with a joystick button, right? …then you would not want the summit joystick. The 4 switches work great!
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What is a power beyond and a 3rd power ?
I'm curious if galvanic corrosion will be a problem by bolting steel to the aluminum block? I will say, it's a well engineered kit. Thanks for the vid.
Hey, Kirk! I’m from Paragould, too!
Quick question Tim, would this be beneficial to use with a hydraulic thumb on the backhoe? TY!
Could be, I guess. Would need a bit of electrical switch work to make it handy.
Hello Tim. I just installed the kit on a 3320 and I’d like to share my thoughts. First thing, good option for rear hydraulics off the power beyond. That said just a couple of observations, a few hiccups, and one real complaint. Let me first say, you’re video is a must see for the novice before attempting. I was a Millright at the power plant in my past life, so I was fine, but I can see how the enclosed directions are lacking. Secondly, I understand the kit isn’t model specific, That would be just too expensive and therefore not feasible. Based on that I had to call Summit prior to ordering for clarification. The ROPS isn’t 2 or 3 inches, it’s rectangular, 2x3. Customer service said “ just get the 3 inch one ,” so I did. Nothing fit. Bolts supplied are too long. Ok, I bought new bolts. At the same time the slot spacing is too short. How can both of those things happen? Ok well I drilled out the plates and made them work. I’ll also have to buy a few hydraulic fittings for my particular application, to be expected and nothing too bad yet. Now for my real complaint. The only bracket that’s any good at all is the one the unit bolts to. All other brackets and plates aren’t heavy enough. Backer plates all bent when tightening on the ROPS. I’ll live with that also. Here’s the one piece that isn’t going to work at all. The mount for the controller is just too flimsy. You really need to change that to something more stout. It flexes back and forth all day during operation. The worst is it whips back and forth in the wind when trailering. So bad I had to stop and take it off. Please upgrade that part. If you were to send me an upgraded part that was much sturdier, that would be great, but if not I’ll just have to make something myself. I’m a huge fan and love everything you do, and thank you again for taking the time, with Summit Hydraulics, to come up with this solution. Joe.
I am confusion. Does the power beyond kit allow one to utilize hydraulic implements? Specifically a hydraulic top link. Or is the rear hydraulic diverter valve necessary to allow one to have control over the pressure/flow running through those two hoses provided by the power beyond kit?
Power beyond allows the oil to flow. The summit kit (shown in earlier episode) allows the ‘control’ of that oil, and the connection to implements.
Love these types of videos ! However I own a Kubota B2601 that I would love to put hydraulic top link and hydraulic side lift on. Now I would like to see what doing this on a Kubota is like from start to finish. Thanks.
Most of it is the same. Get the power beyond for your tractor, then this will plug right in!
Mounting on the ROPS should be the same.
Great job Tim, a well thought out solution for adding extra remotes to sub compact tractors.
I did not see the power beyond video, but Tim I have now have a Mahindra 1626 with a backhoe. Can't I use that circuit to the backhoe to install the Summit kit? From what I have read, I can, but I trust your opinion over someone that I don't know anything about. I will also want to install a 3rd function eventually.
Yep. You can use the backhoe connections. That is a ‘power beyond’. You can also connect the backhoe at the same time by connecting it ‘in series’ with the summit EVK or FR kit.
I’m from Paragould, way to represent us Kirk!
Tim, I bought the Summit 4 valve rear remote. I have found that the directions are not very clear. I was able to dry fit everything to make sure all the parts were in the place. You were wondering if it would be economical to have Summit preinstall parts. Better yet, how about a step by step video from Summit.
They have just now updated the instructions! I just got a preview copy yesterday morning. Please email them asking if they have updated instructions available.
The new instructions (for the front and rear kit) that I got yesterday are much better. 20 plus pages with full parts breakdowns, etc.
Summit is a great company I reached out to them for a few inquiries they will get back to you same day. Awesome video watched it all
Thank you for this video explained a lot of the questions I had and I think I can follow basically the same procedure on my 2305 which is an older tractor but I think I want to mount mine on the opposite side of the tractor cuz I have the backhoe on and I don't want in my way
You can easily make up your own rear remotes if you already have the rear hydraulics for a backhoe. I have the 2305, the hydraulics for the backhoe don't have any controls. But for 100 bucks i bought a open valve and some hoses. I just have to disconnect the valve when i want to use the backhoe.
Careful. Most monoblock valves do not support backpressure on the T port. The Deere power Beyond has pressure on the T port when the 3 point is operated. So, even though it works now, it likely won’t work for long unless you found a specific valve which DOES support up to 3000 psi on the T port.
Tim, your videos are so helpful! Thank you man! And thanks to your wife as well!
Thanks for the kind words.
What?! No apple for the teacher! Great video! Thanks for sharing!
Tim when you showing this set up the first time you got question can run something continuously you should be able to if you change one of switches to off on only the problem I see is you have to wire it so there is no power to valve with the key is off other wise you burn out a coil.
Hi Tim, Have a Branson (Kukje) 2400H and do not have rear remote power. I investigated the loader valve and will determine power beyond connection. I need a box blade hy. top link and am adding a hy. Offset flail mower which requires 4 connections. Please advise. Spoken with Summit and Brand but hy. setup is still unclear.
Thanks!
Contact your Branson dealer. Get a power beyond kit from them. Then this kit will plug right in.
Does this kit work TOGETHER with a backhoe? For example, I need to have working backhoe and a thumb in the back, and third function in the front. Where backhoe must be connected in this configuration (since it has to be disconnected from the power beyond)? Do I connect it into the one pair of new ports? I am confused how it will work with the electrical valve controlling those ports.
Connect in series with the backhoe. You’ll have the right number of male and female connectors to get it connected all in a loop.
@@TractorTimewithTim Thank you, Tim.
Shouldn’t that decrease the lift height or the amount of lift capacity on the 3 point hitch
Hi Tim, thanks for this video!
Quick question though. You said you broke one at 96 inch pounds, yet my directions call for 10 ft lbs... Did something change? I don’t really feel like snapping those off.
Thanks
Hmm, they shouldn’t need that much. I later learned that I had them mounted wrong, which was causing my leaks. By then, I may have damaged the aluminum block. I had them off/on 6 or more times.
The new one I got was no problem.
I finished my install of the FR2-JD1 today, a tip for those yellow plugs, use a small allen wrench from the other side and tap, they will pop right out
Congratulations!
@@TractorTimewithTim just one word of wisdom,,, double and triple check all fittings,,, i missed one and had a sprinkle for about 10 seconds lol
Oh yea. I get a nice oil shower occasionally.
Nicely done video, great job. Look forward to seeing how well it works from them.
Tim, I have a 2038R with the backhoe attachment. The Power beyond connections operate the three point hitch lift, when I disconnect to connect to the backhoe I loose the three point hitch lift. How do I work this out? Have you have added the Summit Valves to your 2038R?
As long as you connect the return to the return line rather than the ‘tank’ line, you’ll be fine.
I hope that makes sense.
Great work Christy & Tim ! What an awesome instructional video. Kudos to TTWT.
I'm looking to put a kit on the back of my BX 23S. Looks simple. Any reason I can't just plug into the backhoe ports since it would be off the machine when I run rear remotes.
Yep. That is what it is made for!
Thanks much for this video. I learned a bunch. This is a great way to show us that we too can do this.
Thanks Tim for this video!
I have 2 questions though, maybe you have an idea :
The hydraulic lines are double acting, but is it possible to put an hydraulic line in float mode ?
The block with all hydraulic lines is fixed on the rops verticaly , is it possible to put it horizontaly ?
These valves do not support float.
What do I need to put a snowblower on the front of my John Deer 1025r tractor? Where can I buy and DYI install everything. John Deer is too expensive. If you can help let me know sir ! Thank you! Enjoy your videos
John Deere is your only option to my knowledge.
@@TractorTimewithTim Sad there isn’t another option or an aftermarket brand that would work but thank you for letting me know
Very good video about teaching.Thank you for sharing
Hey Tim and Christy, great instructional video as always! Been looking at putting this on my 2020 2025r with factory cab. Was looking to add third function loader, also hook a cylinder up to the deflector on my blower and have remote for rear hydraulics. keep reading that power beyond is not compatible with factory cab. Wondering if you knew the reasoning behind that? Was thinking they say it can't be done because you can't put a backhoe on with the factory cab.
Looks like it's possible to me ( although a huge pain), especially if one uses the power beyond kit from summit that uses hoses rather than hard lines. I understand that I would have to do some modifications on bracket placement for both power beyond and rear scv, think they cold be mounted on bar across back of cab under window. Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for all the videos!
You can use the summit power beyond kit. Someone on tractoruniverse did this.
It looks like the rear remote is almost a must have.
That was nice of you Tim and Camera Lady (Sorry forgot your wife's name)
Does anyone know the brand of lav microphone Tim is using? when he records? the background sound reduction, even when running equipment, is amazing.
Tim, on the rear hydraulics kit, the slots in the valve plate and the switch plate are not built correctly, because the shim plates are designed as short as possible and don't also have a slot. As the ROPS is slanted, the plates can't mount level. I'll either need to drill the holes into slots, or make longer shim plates, with a slot on one end.
Is your rops larger than 2”? If so, there was a 3” rops option when you ordered.
@@TractorTimewithTim I have the standard 2" rops. I took a pic to explain the issue, but don't know how you attach to TH-cam. I'll send you on Facebook. -Jon.
I sent under my wife's Facebook page, a picture to explain.
Thanks, Jon.
I guess the 3" shims would always work right, allowing sloped surface. No reason for the slots in either case with unslotted shims.
Tim, I was thinking the slots in the plates were for adjustment, but I guess they are for the 2" or 3" rops sizing. Although I have the 2" rops, I'm trying to order the 3" shims, which will allow me to mount the plate level, while the rops is sloped. I noticed in the video that the valves were angled just like the rops and realized you designed them to fit snugly following that angle, and the slots were not intended for an adjustment function. When I get my larger shims I'll send you the finished project.
Thanks Tim!
lol ive got my 3046r, had it a month or two- over 120 hours
One tip from my experience with electric/hydraulic solenoid operated valves: Cycle them frequently, even if you have nothing plugged in! If you don't, there is a very good chance they will "stick" and require disassembly to fix-if you're lucky, replacement if you're not.
Uhoh!
I did install a 4 spool/front third function on my 2025r. And I am trying to figure how to connect my backhoe to this. Some said it has connected in series. I think I need a little more explanation. To those that could help me thank you !
I saw your question on tractoruniverse.com
connect in series.
tractor PB "pressure' -> bh in
bh out -> summit in
summit out -> tractor PB Return
I am getting a 2021 john deer 2025r I would like to put a hydraulic top link on it what all would I need to do that?
Get power beyond, this system, and the top link.
Thanks
That was explained nicely and surprisingly not difficult
Tim do you think that we could use Red Loctite on the threads that go into the aluminum block? I’m just curious I’m not sure if that would help with hydraulic leakage.
No. First, I would never suggest bred locktite. That is the ‘never gonna come out’ version, right? You may have a valve failure at some point and would need to replace.
Second, the leakage would not be related to the screws loosening. Rather, it would be a poor seal around those o-rings.
I think the likelihood of leaks is low. The only ones I had were user error (my error) as it turns out!
Tim, I was wondering if this would fit the 2032r & 2038r tractors?
I was hoping for a 3rd function kit for 2038R.... I hope all is well. Keep the video's coming.
as we mention in the video, we are working on an add-on kit for 3rd function using this base kit.
Great video like always. I would love to install this on my tractor but mines no a deere it's a mahindra so don't know if it would work or not.
Yep. It will work. You must have power beyond. You should be able to get a power beyond kit from your Mahindra dealer. (It would be necessary for a backhoe). If you already have a backhoe, then you are set!!
Your videos are awesome and educational! Do they make this setup for other makes of tractors?
I have a cub cadet Ex3200 made by yanmar, I would love to get hydraulics on the back.
Thanks for all your help
As long as you can get a power beyond setup, this kit will work!
Tim, I liked the presentation and this setup looks good. I do have a question for you. I have a Kubota with a backhoe. It has the return and supply type hoses. When I attach the backhoe, I disconnect the loop, and hook it into the backhoe. Is there a setup, where I can add in the extra rear valves, and still have the bypass loop for the backhoe where I would just loop it back again once I remove the backhoe and add back my 3Point?
Yes, as you saw in earlier episode, just plumb it in series. Should work beautifully.
@@TractorTimewithTim yes, I have power beyond as you mentioned in the other thread, as I do have the Kubota Backhoe attachment also. Have to have that too.
Ok. So is your question answered?
Are these compatible with all tractors? I have a New Holland Workmaster 25s.
The rear scv solution IS INDEED compatible with your NH 25s. As long as you have the backhoe, you will have the Power Beyond kit. If you do NOT have the backhoe, you'll need to get the Power Beyond added.
There is ONE difference. You will need to get different couplers for connecting to the PB. Yours has 3/8 couplers, this kit has 1/2" couplers (for connecting to PB). Your dealer should be able to help with that.
@@TractorTimewithTim looking at the back of my tractor i believe i have "connections" available stock. Is there a way to get in contact with you to confirm this? Mind you, I'm new to the tractor life.
Good topic for tractoruniverse.com!
Sign up and post your question in the ‘other tractor brands’ forum. Include photos there!
@@TractorTimewithTim another comment or question on the valve kit. Are they momentary or static? If they're not momentary I think that should be an option.
Go read article at tractoruniverse.com for lots of details, and links to videos.
nice example of the install
Thank you ...this will make my Johnnie much more functional