It could be a blessing in disguise - in an era of wide-spread disenchantment being the sexy, forbidden fruit might be better than being considered safe subject matter.
@Scott Mamby I didn't say sexism bothers me more than the death of over a 100 million people of course it is important not to ignore the consequences of his ideas but I dont think that means we should reduce all marixst methods of analysis to them. In this case it doesnt need to be about marixst ideals of communism working but just a way to understand social relations. Why shouldn't we be okay hearing a marxist understanding of feminisim, especially if it helps explain how this oppression pervades through the work-place?
@Scott Mamby funny how you mention the 100 million mark, when the very same people who estimated it rejected it. Especially when the international maoist federation debunked it. And the deaths under communism is different than deaths caused by communism. Examples like the holodomor and the great chinese famine happened due to natural disasters co-happening with industrialisation efforts. Also, of course you won't mention the vast good that it has done.
Lol, as a man, I know it's appealing to try and equivocate between the level of grooming we do and the level that women do. But honestly, there is no comparison. Give up, mate.
@@comradeuro4255 women have to work out too and no men arnt as universally pressured to work out and be ripped or lean as much as women are to do everything they do
You know, the first time I heard of the "proud boys" I thought they were a gay rights advocacy group. How wrong I was... (It would have been better if they were of course)
Ooof, Ash, you corrected that guy on his understanding of Marxist-Leninism on national TV? Slay, gurl. This is some good praxis. So is the pancake flipping though. Don't know why, it just it.
The chap's correct but the main big important difference is who the man would be competing against, who they are trying to please because of who holds the power.
You are not factoring in all of the affective labor that ash engaged in just to get on the show! Surely, for her stunning work, we might want to reward her with a few more pancake flips?
That's good enough: Ash flipping pancakes. Still, video of her MAKING pancakes in a kitchen would be priceless. I wish she had been my professor in school.
the make-up bit wasnt great, its easy to assume men do an equal amount of grooming when pretty much all of culture presents women pre-groomed. when it comes to body hair alone im certainly glad i choose to present as a man. Though things seem to be tending towards more grooming for all (i could see make-up being a normal non-gendered thing in a generation or two). More profit that way i guess...
This is hilarious but it does beg the question: is Ash being co-opted into capitalist realism? An hard-left, flavour-of-the-month accessory for cosy mainstream TV shows to signal that they've got their finger on the pulse and/or accommodating to all viewpoints? Or should we be more optimistic and think that Ash is shifting the overton window by being an excellent, likeable representative of the hard-left on this platform?
@Paul Stanway Ah I certainly knew the horseshoe theory was a centrist conceit but thanks for pulling me up on the Overton window which is something I wrongly associated with a Chomsky-esque critique of media control in line with Manufacturing Consent. So do you regard her in line with the whole Leninist critique of left-wing communism being an infantile disorder? And are you down with Mao?
@Paul Stanway Thanks man for such a detailed reply - I loved reading it and seemed to agree on practically everything including the Menshevik thing (although I have to read much Lenin at all). Although I've been knowledgeable and interested about the history of left-wing movements for quite some time, it's only very recently (2019) that I started to focus on becoming a Marxist and reading Mark Fisher who you mentioned was definitely a very important step in this process. As I had Fisher on the brain, that is why I made the comment I did. Like Zizek too. I'm a filmmaker and Zizek's written a lot of film theory so he was probably the earliest Marxist I would have been influenced by back when I was unconsciously scared of breaking from the overton window myself and thus suspicious of self-described communists. I am actually British and I think we agree that supporting reformist social democrat policies within capital framework is preferable to acceleration-ism for now. I do follow American politics though of course and obviously support Bernie. I also am not ashamed to express a liking for Nordic social democracies although of course I hope we can do better in the future. On this note Olof Palme should be celebrated a bit more. Not going to lie I'm glad you're not a Maoist - I just don't see that as a healthy path to go down. Haha and yes the Shining Path in Peru like Mao - one of the big right-wing leaders in Peru Fujimori was of Japanese descent maybe they just wanted to piss him off more by following the doctrines of a Chinese leader?
Imagine making an absolutely valid argument only for it to be discounted BECAUSE it's backed up by theory. That's like making a scientific observation only for it to be discounted because maths was employed to reach the conclusion.
I think it's good that Ash is getting more screen time to put over other views on the MSM, but Pancake flipping? Please don't turn into their "pet communist", Ash.
I can't get past the first five seconds of this video without getting this thought experiment on phenomenology, make up, economics, belief, skepticism, essentialism, existentialism and biology out of my system. Trigger warning: it involves peeing. Okay, imagine for a moment you are sat on the toilet looking at the beautiful face of someone (could be a man or a woman). While looking at this face you do your business and pee into the loo. Now let's consider another similar but more awkward scenario. For some reason maybe you were not convinced it was a real face you were looking at - it could have just been a two-dimensional image of a face...? This thought disquiets you somewhat. In fact it piturbs you so much so that it put's you off peeing. I mean, why would you pee infront of someone's face if it wasn't real? So let's say you wanted to see both the front and the back of this person's head you were looking at - and conveniently, there was a toilet both in front and behind this person. So you could pee while looking at their face and the back of their head. This requires peeing half in one toilet and half in the other toilet to see both sides equally - but at least you are more convinced that this person's head you are looking at is real. But wait. It occurs to you that this person's head could still be a two-dimensional image - maybe you all you saw is just the flat front and back images? And what's more, it also troubles you in the previous scenario as to whether to pee more while looking at the face or the back of the head? There are in fact four toilets placed around this person you notice. So you decide to pee in all of them. But pee mostly while looking directly at the person's face. Then the person applies make up to their face. And you find you want to pee while looking at their face even more as it capitivates your attention to a greater degree - as though applying make up presents more value, carrying more facial essence, which translates as more viewing time of the face? It is as though you are less skeptical about the person's physical existence - not even trying to ascertain the physical dimensions of their existence as you are purely focused on their essence.
So Let's see. I usually have to perform security checks on our core servers as well as our network infrastructure (not part of my job spec), I sometimes have to get involved with voip configuration and design (not part of my job), and I've also got to go to various meetings and make presentations (not in my job spec). Also sometimes need to stay later to help out with any office moves and help individuals with their issues/needs. None of this is part of my job spec, and I'm only on £42k a year. Nurses and doctors have to work xmas, and many times need to work overtime due to shortages in poor conditions. Devs often need to stay behind after work to finish tight deadlines - show me a job advert which involves development, front or back end which says 'must stay later'. It's a given. You don't hear people complain on TV do you? Investment bankers need to work 80+ hours a week. Yet, these idiots here are arguing about putting fucking makeup on in the workplace. Trust me, those who do normal jobs do not have time to notice anyone else; They are simply too busy and stressed out as it is to notice anything else. Please can we have real debates on TV, where people address government surveillance, global warming and breakthroughs in science and technology. Thanks.
Marx on pancake flipping is in the less read parts of Vol III of Capital.
It's an integral part of the revolution.
It's the key to class consciousness.
Crazy how the presenter is more ok hearing sexism than Marxism, second Marxism comes up it's oh we need to move on can't talk about Lenin
lol
Trained like a dog
It could be a blessing in disguise - in an era of wide-spread disenchantment being the sexy, forbidden fruit might be better than being considered safe subject matter.
@Scott Mamby I didn't say sexism bothers me more than the death of over a 100 million people
of course it is important not to ignore the consequences of his ideas but I dont think that means we should reduce all marixst methods of analysis to them. In this case it doesnt need to be about marixst ideals of communism working but just a way to understand social relations.
Why shouldn't we be okay hearing a marxist understanding of feminisim, especially if it helps explain how this oppression pervades through the work-place?
@Scott Mamby funny how you mention the 100 million mark, when the very same people who estimated it rejected it. Especially when the international maoist federation debunked it. And the deaths under communism is different than deaths caused by communism. Examples like the holodomor and the great chinese famine happened due to natural disasters co-happening with industrialisation efforts. Also, of course you won't mention the vast good that it has done.
Love that you unashamedly bring up the words "marx" and "feminism" on a day time tv show like this. You're awesome
Ever since she said "i'm literally a communist you idiot" to Peirs Morgan i completely fell for her.
Lol, as a man, I know it's appealing to try and equivocate between the level of grooming we do and the level that women do. But honestly, there is no comparison. Give up, mate.
Lol good example, women at our wedding are gonna start preparing 7 hours early, men? 1 hour early lmao
Med don't have to do makeup but are instead expected to spend hours every day in the gym or somewhere else workingout so they can always look muscular
@@comradeuro4255 women have to work out too and no men arnt as universally pressured to work out and be ripped or lean as much as women are to do everything they do
Comrad Euro there is way less pressure to be in shape as a man than as a women.
@@BrandonG6822 you get it brandon thanks for getting it
I love how Lenin is interchangable with feminist now. 😂
Lenin is interchangeable with degeneracy. And feminism is interchangeable with degeneracy. Thus when A=B and B=C, A=C.
@@mangaman6833 aye ok pal
(explains theory which is clearly relevant)
Presenter, who obviously hasn't been listening: I don't see how that's going to be relevant
Murican proud bois will get "triggered", when they see the word "feminist" in any context.
You know, the first time I heard of the "proud boys" I thought they were a gay rights advocacy group.
How wrong I was...
(It would have been better if they were of course)
The Proud Boys subreddit is a group for communist trans men.
@Scott Mamby
To be quite frank and fair and also succinct, I've never met anyone named Scott Mamby that had any understanding of anything, frankly.
Ooof, Ash, you corrected that guy on his understanding of Marxist-Leninism on national TV? Slay, gurl. This is some good praxis.
So is the pancake flipping though. Don't know why, it just it.
No she didn't. She quoted some intellectualist, bourgeois nonsense that has no links to any real sort of Marxism.
@@JacenSolo0
Pssst, you can fight for women's emancipation *and* economic liberation!
I personally think men present a more pleasing image to my eye when they are not obese af.
nah hes cute, built good
Savage burn XD
Deeply unglamorous man claims his suit makes him glamorous.
Fully Automated Luxury Pancake Flipping
These women are “EXTRA” cringe
The chap's correct but the main big important difference is who the man would be competing against, who they are trying to please because of who holds the power.
Tossers.
Cause they were tossing pancakes! Get it?
i feel like Ash flipped more than 18...
i counted 18, too. She lost a lot of time when she dropped it, before that she was pretty fast.
@@escribendo6138 your counting is biased.
You are not factoring in all of the affective labor that ash engaged in just to get on the show! Surely, for her stunning work, we might want to reward her with a few more pancake flips?
That's good enough: Ash flipping pancakes. Still, video of her MAKING pancakes in a kitchen would be priceless. I wish she had been my professor in school.
British television is weird. A conversation on Marxist-Feminism just lead into a pancake flipping contest with out a blip. Like what the fuck lol.
the make-up bit wasnt great, its easy to assume men do an equal amount of grooming when pretty much all of culture presents women pre-groomed. when it comes to body hair alone im certainly glad i choose to present as a man.
Though things seem to be tending towards more grooming for all (i could see make-up being a normal non-gendered thing in a generation or two). More profit that way i guess...
im so happy to see Ash having success 😍 really one of a kind 💕
This is hilarious but it does beg the question: is Ash being co-opted into capitalist realism? An hard-left, flavour-of-the-month accessory for cosy mainstream TV shows to signal that they've got their finger on the pulse and/or accommodating to all viewpoints? Or should we be more optimistic and think that Ash is shifting the overton window by being an excellent, likeable representative of the hard-left on this platform?
@Paul Stanway Ah I certainly knew the horseshoe theory was a centrist conceit but thanks for pulling me up on the Overton window which is something I wrongly associated with a Chomsky-esque critique of media control in line with Manufacturing Consent.
So do you regard her in line with the whole Leninist critique of left-wing communism being an infantile disorder? And are you down with Mao?
@Paul Stanway Thanks man for such a detailed reply - I loved reading it and seemed to agree on practically everything including the Menshevik thing (although I have to read much Lenin at all). Although I've been knowledgeable and interested about the history of left-wing movements for quite some time, it's only very recently (2019) that I started to focus on becoming a Marxist and reading Mark Fisher who you mentioned was definitely a very important step in this process. As I had Fisher on the brain, that is why I made the comment I did. Like Zizek too. I'm a filmmaker and Zizek's written a lot of film theory so he was probably the earliest Marxist I would have been influenced by back when I was unconsciously scared of breaking from the overton window myself and thus suspicious of self-described communists.
I am actually British and I think we agree that supporting reformist social democrat policies within capital framework is preferable to acceleration-ism for now. I do follow American politics though of course and obviously support Bernie. I also am not ashamed to express a liking for Nordic social democracies although of course I hope we can do better in the future. On this note Olof Palme should be celebrated a bit more.
Not going to lie I'm glad you're not a Maoist - I just don't see that as a healthy path to go down. Haha and yes the Shining Path in Peru like Mao - one of the big right-wing leaders in Peru Fujimori was of Japanese descent maybe they just wanted to piss him off more by following the doctrines of a Chinese leader?
I'm just fucking thrilled you're able to present this on like...morning television, haha.
Marxist pancakes on daytime TV? The tide is changing...
this wasn't in the manifesto
Imagine making an absolutely valid argument only for it to be discounted BECAUSE it's backed up by theory. That's like making a scientific observation only for it to be discounted because maths was employed to reach the conclusion.
It goes the other way too.
1:30 Time to go to bed. I think my TH-cam is broken...
I think it's good that Ash is getting more screen time to put over other views on the MSM, but Pancake flipping? Please don't turn into their "pet communist", Ash.
Happy Pannekoek Day...
What did she say as she corrected the host about Marxism? It's something about Lenin, I just can't make it out.
I think she said "Yeah, Lenin didn't write this book"
She said "feminist Marxism, Lenin didn't say anything about this"
Really held your ground, nice work!
I can't get past the first five seconds of this video without getting this thought experiment on phenomenology, make up, economics, belief, skepticism, essentialism, existentialism and biology out of my system. Trigger warning: it involves peeing. Okay, imagine for a moment you are sat on the toilet looking at the beautiful face of someone (could be a man or a woman). While looking at this face you do your business and pee into the loo.
Now let's consider another similar but more awkward scenario. For some reason maybe you were not convinced it was a real face you were looking at - it could have just been a two-dimensional image of a face...? This thought disquiets you somewhat. In fact it piturbs you so much so that it put's you off peeing. I mean, why would you pee infront of someone's face if it wasn't real?
So let's say you wanted to see both the front and the back of this person's head you were looking at - and conveniently, there was a toilet both in front and behind this person. So you could pee while looking at their face and the back of their head. This requires peeing half in one toilet and half in the other toilet to see both sides equally - but at least you are more convinced that this person's head you are looking at is real.
But wait. It occurs to you that this person's head could still be a two-dimensional image - maybe you all you saw is just the flat front and back images? And what's more, it also troubles you in the previous scenario as to whether to pee more while looking at the face or the back of the head?
There are in fact four toilets placed around this person you notice. So you decide to pee in all of them. But pee mostly while looking directly at the person's face.
Then the person applies make up to their face. And you find you want to pee while looking at their face even more as it capitivates your attention to a greater degree - as though applying make up presents more value, carrying more facial essence, which translates as more viewing time of the face? It is as though you are less skeptical about the person's physical existence - not even trying to ascertain the physical dimensions of their existence as you are purely focused on their essence.
Bioleninism lol
So Let's see.
I usually have to perform security checks on our core servers as well as our network infrastructure (not part of my job spec), I sometimes have to get involved with voip configuration and design (not part of my job), and I've also got to go to various meetings and make presentations (not in my job spec). Also sometimes need to stay later to help out with any office moves and help individuals with their issues/needs. None of this is part of my job spec, and I'm only on £42k a year.
Nurses and doctors have to work xmas, and many times need to work overtime due to shortages in poor conditions. Devs often need to stay behind after work to finish tight deadlines - show me a job advert which involves development, front or back end which says 'must stay later'. It's a given. You don't hear people complain on TV do you?
Investment bankers need to work 80+ hours a week.
Yet, these idiots here are arguing about putting fucking makeup on in the workplace. Trust me, those who do normal jobs do not have time to notice anyone else; They are simply too busy and stressed out as it is to notice anything else. Please can we have real debates on TV, where people address government surveillance, global warming and breakthroughs in science and technology. Thanks.
"Doing things we hate is the price we pay to avoid loneliness," is pretty much the axiom of social expectation.
Trump is a great president!
The rape president
Women who look good will on average get paid more so ... nice try.
And excellent pancake skills.
Than men? Really?
Olliebean Across sexes.
They always have veneered teeth
Look at me I've sold out.