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I watched the whole video. I have thought about getting one. But since my computer died. My first Christmas gift to myself. Will be to get a new PC. But once I'm up & running. When I get one. I will use your link below. To help the Channel out. Once again thanks you.
As a Synology user, and fan of build-yourself NAS, this is a great video that should help many SMBs to find a good storage solution. QNAP has great features, especially hardware, at a great value over NAS enclosure competitors. But Synology offers BTRFS and SHR, which can greatly reduce space used in a RAID, increase data reliability, and allow you to easily grow storage/speed by simply adding larger drives. As far as I've researched, QNAP does not offer these. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on why you didn't choose Synology? Or if you've had experience, why QNAP is better? - Thank you !
This is one of the best, most in-depth reviews I've ever seen on TH-cam. As a small business owner looking for precisely this type of solution for my team, I really appreciate how well-done this was!
Simply the most concretely informative video about 10gbe video editing! I hope I came across it sooner so that I could have saved lots of wasted time watching those who came to this free plaza to talk about something that they don’t really know well. Thank you so much!
Wow. This is the most informative review I've ever watched on youtube and I've been around since it started. Hits on everything I wanted to know (maybe a BIT more on noise levels but that's a personal pet peeve of mine) and is well produced, clearly articulated and relevant. Superb. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this. Will be using your links to say thanks.
Thanks for putting the time in on this Max - it is appreciated. I have been running the 6 Bay for a similar period and I would echo everything you have said for the 8 Bay. With this and my other NASs I have been using a lot of Ironwolf 10TB (not Pro) drives and they have proved more reliable so far than the WD Reds I used before. I have had only one report errors and Seagate swapped it under warranty. The procedure for this is very good and it is well worth registering all your drives with them. It's tricky to spec drives just because there are so many options. If you have the budget, then maxing out the chassis with the best drives like you did gives the best speed, capacity and robustness. If you don't, then you have to compromise on one or more of those things. I have tended to compromise a little on each. Five drives seems a decent starting point for RAID5 with the larger Ironwolves. I use the 10TB because it gave me the best TB/£ at the time - but that's always changing. The main downside of adding capacity peicemeal later is that all expansions at the these capacities levels take an age and thrash the disks while they shift stuff round. I would advise prospective purchasers from going for too low a capacity drive in search of speed though. Firstly, the smaller drives don't always have the same single disk speed as the larger ones. Check the specs and reviews carefully. The other is that you always end up using more capacity than you ever thought you would need. Did you ever think you would own 100TB of storage? I didn't till it happened. The only practical ways to upgrade a RAID once it is full is to start again or start another one. One of those other NASs is a 1282T3 and I think the x72XT is the better option for editors due to the lower cost and better aligned feature set. I use the QNAP 10GBE switch as I had some non-thunderbolt stuff to include in the network. I only recall powering it up and plugging the cables into it. If there is a complicated set-up to do, I should have read the manual :S
Fantastic video, Max. One question: if 10Gb Ethernet maxes out at ~1000MB/s and Thunderbolt3 at around 1500MB/s how are you measuring / taking advantage of the 2700-3300MB/s transfer speeds you quote at various points in the video?
I think it's because you may utilise all ports at once. So, both TB3, 10 GbE and 1 GbE ports all at once (for multi user scenarios). That's why Max mentioned that for up to 3 users you probably won't need SSD caching.
Thanks Max! After seeing your earlier reviews, we purchased and just finished setting up a 6-bay QNAP TVS-672. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences over the last 6 months. Greatly appreciated.
Hi Bob, we're just looking at the 6-bay versus 8-bay 872XT, now that you've had your 672XT for a year, how is it working out for you? And how many consecutive video editors do you have accessing this setup?
@@flip.design the NAS has improved our workflow - making it easy to access all of our files from any of our network connected devices (including smart phones). For video editing, we use a single desktop computer connected to the NAS via the lightning-3 connection. So, we have not tested more than one simultaneous video editor.
Really great video and I brought the 8 bays model after that, I put 8 x HGST HE10 8TB(RAID 6) and 2 x 970 EVO Plus 1TB(RAID 1) together as a QNAP Tier volume, connected with my iMac via 10GbE, thanks for your effort and that's a really great NAS.
Thanks for all the hard work here on the video and suggestions. I've watched this video now about 3 times now to make sure I set my QNAP672XT SSD cache correcting for editing 4k over a thunderbolt 3 connection on a 2020 iMac. now its time to do my speed test!!
@@fitguy49 I'm glad it is working great for you. However, I was asking what SPEEDs are you getting in your disk speed test? Both on TB3 connection, and 10Gbe if you use that?
What a great video. For people shopping for a video optimized NAS solution, I have yet to come across a more informative video. Plus I'm sold. I'm gonna recommend this setup to my client (or whatever the latest version of this hardware is). Looking forward to seeing what other content you put up. Cheers.
I am so so SO thankful that you did this in-depth review of this device and how you were able to configure it to achieve stupid fast speeds. I definitely feel like I owe you. You better believe I'm going to use those affiliate links. THANK YOU!
Hey max, I would love to see an updated version of of this...or what are your thoughts 3 years later? I'm on the market for one before the end of the year and would love to know if you think this unit still holds up.
Ok Max - I got a TVS-872XT w/80TB Iron Wolf + 2TB EVO Plus - have you got any tips on a shared storage taxonomy for a small 1-3 media editors shop? Storage pool-volumes-folders. I'd like to start correct out of the gate and not have to rearrange everything a year down the line. For example, do you split folders out by Photos-Video-Audio or by file types, etc....those seem like valuable workflow questions and you've been using NAS's for a while...this is my first
In the same situation and would like to hear some insight about this. Currently, I have things set up like this: -FOOTAGE (everything that gets captured during a shoot arranged by date [2019-12-20 Client name_Project]) -PROJECTS --Project Files (Premiere, AE, etc) --Assets (Graphics, Client Branding, Imported Videos, Stock Music) --Renders (rough cuts, etc) -DELIVERABLES (sorted by client and project) -MEDIA CACHE (this lives locally on an SSD, but may decide to move to NAS)
Thank you, Max. Our team were looking for a NAS solution and your previous video helped us make the decision to go with a QNAP similar to yours. We have up to 6 people connected at any time, including up to 4 editors. Our unit has 4x Thunderbolt connectors and we find it can be unreliable with more than 1 computer connected. However the 1Gbe connections are plenty enough for editing even 4K Red Raw footage.
Excellent video. I have the same NAS. Did you have an issue with the write speed being limited to about 350MBps? I tried RAID0 and thunderbolt 3 but write speeds are very slow. Any idea how to fix this?
Did you ever find the solution to this? I resorted to using 10Gbe and 9000Jumbo frames, which gave me a max of 1000-1050MB/s Read/Write. TB3 IP seems limited in the write direction, as i figure it can only use 1500MTU. Please comment below if you know better/different
@MaxYuryev 4:32 Beware, if you want to add a dual 10Gig network card in, you will need to remove the pre-installed Thunderbolt 3 card, as dual 10G network cards require an PCIe x8 slot. As the second PCIe slot is only 4x, you thus have to remove the Thunderbolt 3 card from the x16 slot for the use of a dual 10Gbps network card. In other words the second PCIe slot runs at 4x, and you need a x8 or x16 PCIe slot for dual 10G network cards.
As far as I've seen the dual 10Gbe network cards only need a 4X slot. A 4X slot technically should support 4000MB/s and a 10GBe connection has a maximum of 1250MB/s (in my tests the fastest I've seen was 1100MB/s but usually about 950-1000). So a 4X slot should definitely support dual 10G cards. I just looked it up and yes Qnaps own Dual 10G PCI card lists a 4X PCI slot and their single 10Gb card lists a 2X PCI slot. www.qnap.com/en/product/nic-intel Of course, you don't have to buy the qnap ones which are really marked up but you can get an intel one (same networking chip as qnap and works out of the box the same way) geni.us/3Key55 just make sure your buying from a reputable seller.
Single 10G SFP+ cards run at 4x, hence a dual 10G SFP+ card runs at 8x. Search QXG-10G2SF-CX4 what is a dual-port sfp+ 10gbe network expansion card from QNAP and you will see it runs at PCIe Gen3 x8.
Great review. I have the TVS1282T and I absolutely love it. Best thing about it is that I have my DaVinci Resolve database setup on the QNAP and all my editors and colorist are able to use the collaboration feature in Resolve. Best money I've spent in the pass 3 years.
Two questions for you, Max. 1) On the first graphic (0:11), it says "RAID 1 Read-Only SSD Cache". I'm guessing this is just a typo? It looks like you're using RAID 0 on the cache to get those speeds. 2) During the setup of the SSD Cache at (20:08) you turn off SSD Over-Provisioning. It's my understanding that this feature allows faster speeds and longer reliability. Why did you choose not to use it?
That’s FAST! I recently made a video on modding my Synology DS918+ to 5GbE and it works great but when I eventually outgrow it I'll probably go to something like this.
Hey Max. Thanks for this video. You mentioned a 4-bay more silent version of this NAS at some point in this video. I realise that this video is now 3 years old but if you have any recommendation for a modern 4-bay NAS with thunderbolt connectivity, I’d be super grateful of your time and knowledge. Thanks -Charles
I think it is solid. But I have the same question as you. I would have opted for a TVS-H1288X or 1688X if it were not for the extra £1000 required. Comment below if you find any other info, please!
Can’t thank you enough for doing this man. Seriously. Now, would you still recommend this those same hard drives and Nvme SSDs? Has something significantly better came out this years that made those obsolete? Again, THANK YOU
Thank you for taking the time to reach out to other creatives and share the information about these raids. I understood everything you said... by the way what kind of a cable is best for thunderbolt 2?
I'm trying to figure out the best connection method for my thunderbolt four NAS from u green. Of course they included thunderbolt 4 in the Kickstarter but did not specifically state you could use it as a connection method. Now I've had to learn a whole bunch of stuff about networking and buy a managed network switch and I'm getting fatigued by all of the things I have had to learn. However having your own server and using it to edit your high resolution 8K and 4K video files is simply amazing.
FANTASTIC AS ALWAYS MAX! Do you have a video with all the workflow that you use for the complete back up and archive of your data? Thanks in advance and sorry for my Egnlish; i'm still learning Have a Productive and Healthy Day!
would be so good to get an update on these setups and if anything changed for you. have you explored connecting the nas to a wifi 6 router. is there a way to 'mount' the nas like you would when it's directly plugged in over tb3 or ethernet, and then run a read/write test to see what 10gbe -> wifi6e router -> laptop can give you? maybe im living in the future here but I can't wait for the day when I can edit off of a nas wirelessly.
Hey Max, Thanks for the Information. We have Qnap TVS 672XT. We have installed 6 Ironwolf Pro 12 TB drives in Raid 5 configuration giving us the total space of 54TB, along with SSD cache enabled in Read-Write in Raid 0 configuration. We have 2 Samsung 970 Evo 250 TB Drives. Total Write speed we are getting is around 400mb/s and read speed is 1200-1400 mb/s in Thunderbolt 3 connection. In 10gigabit connect write spead is around 500mb/s and read speed is around 400mb/s. Why read speed is less? Even if we attach only 1 Ironwolf pro drive, still we get the same read write speed which is technically impossible. Please help us to get full read write speed potential from our Qnap.
I can only help here by saying change your Qnap to 9000 Jumbo Frames, as well as the Thunderbolt Ethernet Adapter to the same (9000, instead of 1500MTU). You will then achieve 950-1050MB/s each way. I also max out at 400-500MB/s Write and 1100-1200MB/s Read via TB3 (400+ if Wifi adapter is off and nothing else is plugged in, otherwise 370-395MB/s). Who knows how Max says he achieves over 1000MB/s over 10Gbe. Lol. That is definitely not technically possible! Neither is achieving 3200MB/s from a NAS to computer in single TB IP connection. Also, the speed test results at the top of the video do not seem realistic. However, if you have any insight as to how to achieve these speeds after all this while, then please comment below!? The problem seem to come from the fact that TB3 IP uses 1500MTU, as when i used 10Gbe, and before i changed over to 9000 jumbo frames, these were the speeds i was getting (350-400MB/s). After I changed to 9000 jumbo frames the write/read speeds over 10Gbe went to 1050MB/s. TB3 stayed the same at 400MB/s tops - no way of changing from 1500 to 9000 AFAIK?
@@deesto Hey Denis. Thanks for the info. I achieved around 950 mb/s write speed and 1000+ mb/s read speed by changing to 9000 jumbo frames on ethernet 10 gigabit. But i cannot achieve more than 350-400 mb/s write speed via tb3 although Read speed is around 1100-1300mb/s via tb3. So my main Issue is only with write speed via TB3. I am also using ssd caching but it’s not improving any speed.
@@OneMusicLabel Same here then :)! I think it is because 1500 is set for TB3 and can't be changed. Try changing your 10gbe to 1500, and you will see those 350-400MB/s speeds to see what i mean.
@@OneMusicLabel have you seen QNAP UK video? They also show 700-800MB/s Write under TB3! What are we not doing or doing wrong? I get same speeds as you (well actually 1600-1700MB/s in Read over TB3, but 350-410MB/s write). So how are they achieving that WRITE speed?! As I'm writing straight to the static NVMe volume/s and get 1000MB/s Write over 10GbE. Have a look, it's about 26mins in from th-cam.com/video/2IKo6C2tzA0/w-d-xo.html
@@deesto yeah my situation is exactly the same . 350-500mb/s write speed and read goes upto 1400 mb/s. I was thinking there is some fault with my nas or atleast with my thunderbolt card on the nas. So I purchased the thunderbolt card for extra 140 dollars and still the speed was same. I don’t know how max and other achieve speed more than 1000 mb/s write on tb3.
Do you have a video that talks about the video editing process you use? In particular, I want learn how to do server side video encoding/rendering. Process/edit on my laptop, but export the finished video on the server, freeing up my laptop. Any advice?
I need the ability to like this video 4 times TH-cam!!!! This made my purchase sooo easy I’m on editor that went with the 6 bay!! Yes I know super over kill but like Max said I don’t have to worry about this anymore unless I have to change drives… Max do you have a RAIS configuration video?
@@MiguelReyes-sx1vs I’m feeling your precious pain my friend. It working with a bunch of external SSD’s and it’s an absolute pain in the butt having to transfer files and not to mention, have a bunch of physical drives sitting on my work station. Your feedback is appreciated man! It’s extremely helpful.
Hey Max, Thanks for the video. I have set up 2 of these now based on this video. What protocol are you guys using to connect on macs? SMB, NFS, AFS? Thanks
Loved this video mate 👍🏻 Been eyeing off QNAP NASes for a while now and their Thunderbolt connection ability is especially awesome! Great run-through of your setup and explaining your decisions around HDD/SSD selection 😉
Nice setup! Was wondering how this compares with a Synology NAS? Im in the process of shopping around for a NAS setup for our video and photo work. QNAP seems to be very appealing.
For this question is a very simple answer - it can't be compared, because Synology doesn't offer such a powerful Thunderbolt 3 (+ 10GbE) NAS products. And with new QTS hero OS this will get next higher level ;)
Been watching a lot of videos of the QNAP and decided to pulled the trigger on getting the 453 with thunderbolt option... but what I'm still in cloud as to setting it up as a static volume or think/think for video editing, simple edits, only me, just editing with ProRes422HQ 4K footage (rarely 6k)..... hmmm.... I dont have much in-depth understanding between static voumes vs thicks.. and do we even need snapshots for them?
Hi Max Yuryev or whoever that can help answer this question. When setting up your Qnap did you set up a storage pool or did you just set up a volume without ever setting up a storage pool? And whatever you chose, why did you do that?
My question is if you have Hardware failure as in the motherboard, how easy is it to replace and get back up and running. I had a Synology, and when the motherboard died I was thankful to have a backup of my backup. So I moved to Dell R510. But it would be nice to have an ass so I can have a backup of my backup.
I don't really get how you can get higher speeds than the QNAP support when you talk about SSD cache 😅 was it the single pcie slot that has limited speed and not the dedicated NVMe slot?😊
I am not a big fan of a raid5/6 with extremely high capacity hdds because of the rebuild times. How long time does the Qnap need for the raid rebuild? (say you have to replace one of the HDDs) I guess for 16TB you will need many days? and when rebuilding the array the server access will operate at reduced perfromance - do you know what kind of r/w speed can be expected in that particular situation?
Thank you so much for making this video, Max! Do you need an Ethernet port to use this NAS? My small team works out of a studio in an old warehouse and we share our downstairs neighbors wifi. I’d have to calculate in the costs of my own business wifi if I add that too.
I am running a 6 bay Qnap in Raid 5. I have a thunderbolt connection and two SSD's in Raid 0 for cache however I'm only getting 1450 Read Speed. Does anyone know what I need to do in order to get the read speed above 3,000?
Did you ever get to the bottom of this? I'm only getting 400MB/s WRITE, and 1200MB/s Read speeds over TB3. But I do get 1050MB/s Read/Write if using 10Gbe
Was trying to pinpoint what you ended up settling on for your SSD cache setup? Did you end up doing read only in Raid 0 or something else? Also I'm on Monterrey & 872XT on mobo version 1.7 and thunderbolt port is pretty much disabled. Shows disconnected. 2 days of owning this setup. I've heard of a lot of problems with disconnects but didn't imagine the port simply not showing up. I thought it might be my cable but as a workaround I'm using cal digit T3 to 10GBE adapter. So curious what everyone's doing to achieve these crazy write speeds. NVME didn't seem to make a noticeable difference for me so far. I max out around 500mb/sec write & 1000mb/sec read on 10GE with or without NVME cache set to read/write raid 1. Jumbo frames set to 9000
Hi Max, I just got my TVS-672XT NAS set up with two 1TB SSD, but I only run around 500mb write and 800mb read, with Thunderbolt 3 cable connected with mbp16” 2019. do you think the speed is normal?
I get 400-500MB/s Write and 1100MB/s Read over TB3. 1050MB/s Read/Write if over 10gbe. Did you manage to get any more than this? Please comment below ;)!
10G switches aren't THAT difficult to set up. They're coming down in price and since some (most) of them, you can just run CAT5e over short distances, it's getting to be more and more like plug-and-play. You don't need a fancy 10GbE switch.
switches in general have the easiest setup. you just plug the power, plug the cables and that's it. i don't know why ppl keep saying it's hard. and yes 10gbe switch are very affordable these days.
Max, great job, great info. Wanted to check 2 things though. Lets say I add a second 10GbE port, are you sure I can add 2 computers without the use of a switch? I had the impression from looking at QNAP's videos that the ports could only be used for bundling (I think is the term), and for 2 computers you would need a switch. Second: with your 2 x 1 TB NVMe SSD from Samsung for cache, what percentage did you use for overprovisioning? Thanks again.
Cool I was using my nas as a passthrough for 10gb networking and it would disconnect from time to time and mostly when I would have large loads. Clearly, this is a software issue that QNap needs to address as I was sick of disconnecting and connecting my iMac and moved my nas to the server room.
@@justgouds No way you can achieve 1550 READ or 1250 write. 10GBe is like 1000-1100MB/s max! (1250 is theoretical). Not sure where he gets those numbers from!
You mention to backup on an other NAS outside the house and i think that's the route I want to take but Lets say I have 50gb NAS in Raid 5 should my backup be as big. Can I use my 16TB Nas to do this. I asking because I see the you use and external drive so it is smaller then your NAS system.
Nice video? How 's small files speed/random access speeds? In my NAS, I am seeing very slow small file speed over Ethernet even with SSD cache (QNAP 453D).
man.. This was a GREAT video ! One can see it was a lot of work...and also it puts out a lot of data & knowledge, in a short burst ! thanks very much for this. i’m still in the absorbing phase..trying to get an idea of what system i should go for, and this was a great way to get a general idea..as it really seems one should only get 10GbE in order to save in he long run. (or if doing overkill high res work) Again.., thanks ! much appreciated this. cheers from Portugal, and happy holiday season ;)
A problem with RAID 5 is when one drive fails, your RAID array runs in degraded mode and everything is much slower. I have seen an array fail because the rebuild caused another drive to fail before it fully recovered.
That is why you backup your data. A single RAID NAS on its own cannot be the DATA SOURCE OF RECORD AND BACKUP at the same time. This is a fatal mistake most small time outfits don't consider. I work at the largest bank in the world so we would never use such a small scale system. Our DATA SOURCE OF RECORD is on IBM Mainframe on VSAM files. Our backups are offsite on IBM DASD and/or tapes. We don't use 10GBit or Thunderbolt, we use 10 Terabit fiber optics. For example, our credit card system has 200 million active accounts on it each which has to be accessible in 200 milliseconds for a credit card authorization to occur in real-time.
So I'm guessing RAID 6 would be preferred for better redundancy while taking a hit on performance? Of course, I intend to have an offsite back-up but funds are limited and this is starting to seem like an option for all my growing RAW video files. Was considering the 6bay option. Thanks in advance for any help! This stuff is taxing on the brain but I do enjoy it :)
@@buddyfx7026 For storing RAW video files RAID 6 with a separate backup should be good. When top performance is required I like to use SSDs, especially NVMe. NVMe can have read and write speeds of several gigabytes per second.
Buddy FX well, a mirror or com of mirror is better. But much less space. With mirror, it can be considered a backup for personal use. Then redundancy for small biz. Then tape and off site... millions of buck. Bla bla bla. Out of scope.
NAP 10G thunderbolt adapter(Awaiting your review on this). I have a direct connect to a Microtik CRS305-1G-4S+1N 4 por t10G switch for about $209 using a Mellanox DAC Cable thanks to the 332X having a 10G SFP+ cage on its back. Perfect setup for a small network, Gives me 890% of the capability of the 872 for 1/4 of the price. and i duplicated the setup for the back.
What are your thoughts on the performance/reliability of the Sabrent 2tb NVME gen4 ?? I just picked one up to replace my samsung pro 1tb gen3 and you've got me worried about the longevity and performance when full now lol
Hello Max. This was an awesome video. Thank you. One thing I wanted to ask was what pool / volume configuration you used to attain these numbers? Was it a single static Volume or multiple thick or thin volumes? And why you made that decision. I am setting one up now for editing and was hoping for your splendid insight.
If this version's not too old hardware-wise, you should be able to replace the thunderbolt card and install a 2-bay, low-profile pcie GPU like a 1050 ti. The recent XT models I've seen on the QNAP website say they now pass the GPU through to VMs, which allows to you do *everything* on the NAS.
Hey Max! Have you found ssd caching more useful than qtier?.. also i have an issue where the system will disconnect and reconnect multiple times overnight via T3. any thoughts on that?
Professional editor. I love this video. Watched it many times, and I just got an 872XT myself for WFH editing. I would love to see a video of how your editors actually organize and connect to it though, on a Mac Finder level. Does each editor on your team have their own login? Is there a single login you've given everyone? What are their read/write permissions? Did you set up a Shared folder? Etc. Basically, what does it look like on a user's end?
Read up on the instruction guide within QNAP or qnap’s site. Also u can research on each user privileges that would give you a better idea. I think each editor having their own login access to their own folder would be better with a common folder access allowed for all editors to get common files like effects, sound, animation, logo etc. But project wise setting it as a folder basis per editor should be best. And the boss having full permission to all folders is the way I would set up.
I built this with all the exact same parts you did.. I am connected directly via TB3... I don't see a speed difference on AJA or BM disk speed tests when I activate my 2 x 1tb SSDs in raid 0! The speed tests are the same without SSD caching as it is with it... not sure what I am doing wrong here! Sometimes the speed test results are even faster without the SSDs!
Same here, really. I think it is a known fact that SSD caching doesn't do much and that many people reccomend to turn it off. I think it evens out the slow uneven peaks, but doesn't really increase much. Maybe 80MB/s different at best, if at all. What are your speeds over TB3 in any case? I can't get mine past 400-500MB/s Write, and 1100-1300MB/s Read, year I can achieve 1050MB/s Read/Write over 10Gbe
Max, Are you currently using a battery backup with your TVS-872XT? I'm wondering what you're able to use that still communicates for auto-shutdown in case of power loss.
You sold me on this model. Your description and the 4k @ 60hz did it for me. Great connectivity to the edit bay and popcorn time after the day! One thought - Question you might know - Can I use the NAS as is (with 14Tb Seagate Enterprise drives installed) and later add the SSD cache. And can the SSD'd be used for other than cache? I'll be reading up so I apologise if this was already covered and I missed it
@@MaksimYuryev Thank you Max. It's here and synchronizing. I'm a single edit bay producer and the units main focus is for popcorn hour so it will be in another room. I will therefore not have the advantage of T3 connection due to cable length. But the 10gb connection to a 10gb to T3 converter seems the logical choice. I'm pretty pumped all around. I'll wait and see about the SSD cache. We'll see how 4k projects work out! Now if the SSD cache would also be used to buffer 4k movie playback that might be interesting. But I don't really thing the bitrate through HDMI to the TV is high enough to stress the hard drive to output bandwidth. But I'm not sure if I'm talking out the side of my face here?? Anyway...Thanks again
Took a crash course in bitrates and bandwidth and ghz and ...and... Last night with a friend. All the throughput and transfer speeds I happily ignored because I just thought it was confusing. So I'm rethinking the whole setup considering the LAN should more than handle 4k streaming to the media room. So keep the NAS in the edit bay and take advantage of the T3 connection. And if I really want to use the HDMI connection, its only a 38 ft run. A stout HDMI cable should work. I'm typing this more for others who might be thinking along the same lines as I.
When you connect the first time using Qfinder it will ask to auto optimize your network settings and you have to give it permissions. Over 10Gbe you should also switch to jumbo frames 9000.
How's it working out with FCPX? I know FCPX isn't the most friendly with NAS solutions... in particular, NAS systems that aren't setup in NFS with jumbo frames, and even then it's not great... I know QNAP's ThunderBolt implementations had previously been IP over TB, essentially making it a networking device instead of a DAS. I had some friends buy some QNAP devices and just couldn't get them working well with FCPX, and that's what's holding me back from pulling the lever on this buy.
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I watched the whole video. I have thought about getting one. But since my computer died. My first Christmas gift to myself. Will be to get a new PC. But once I'm up & running. When I get one. I will use your link below. To help the Channel out. Once again thanks you.
Max Yuryev hopefully those seagate drives last longer than a year .
As a Synology user, and fan of build-yourself NAS, this is a great video that should help many SMBs to find a good storage solution. QNAP has great features, especially hardware, at a great value over NAS enclosure competitors. But Synology offers BTRFS and SHR, which can greatly reduce space used in a RAID, increase data reliability, and allow you to easily grow storage/speed by simply adding larger drives. As far as I've researched, QNAP does not offer these. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on why you didn't choose Synology? Or if you've had experience, why QNAP is better? - Thank you !
Amazing video Max and team! Extremely well done and super useful for us smaller team media production companies--thanks!!!
This is one of the best, most in-depth reviews I've ever seen on TH-cam. As a small business owner looking for precisely this type of solution for my team, I really appreciate how well-done this was!
Simply the most concretely informative video about 10gbe video editing! I hope I came across it sooner so that I could have saved lots of wasted time watching those who came to this free plaza to talk about something that they don’t really know well. Thank you so much!
Wow. This is the most informative review I've ever watched on youtube and I've been around since it started. Hits on everything I wanted to know (maybe a BIT more on noise levels but that's a personal pet peeve of mine) and is well produced, clearly articulated and relevant. Superb. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this. Will be using your links to say thanks.
So much great info, very helpful!
This needs more deep class class, please
Thanks for putting the time in on this Max - it is appreciated. I have been running the 6 Bay for a similar period and I would echo everything you have said for the 8 Bay. With this and my other NASs I have been using a lot of Ironwolf 10TB (not Pro) drives and they have proved more reliable so far than the WD Reds I used before. I have had only one report errors and Seagate swapped it under warranty. The procedure for this is very good and it is well worth registering all your drives with them. It's tricky to spec drives just because there are so many options. If you have the budget, then maxing out the chassis with the best drives like you did gives the best speed, capacity and robustness. If you don't, then you have to compromise on one or more of those things. I have tended to compromise a little on each. Five drives seems a decent starting point for RAID5 with the larger Ironwolves. I use the 10TB because it gave me the best TB/£ at the time - but that's always changing. The main downside of adding capacity peicemeal later is that all expansions at the these capacities levels take an age and thrash the disks while they shift stuff round. I would advise prospective purchasers from going for too low a capacity drive in search of speed though. Firstly, the smaller drives don't always have the same single disk speed as the larger ones. Check the specs and reviews carefully. The other is that you always end up using more capacity than you ever thought you would need. Did you ever think you would own 100TB of storage? I didn't till it happened. The only practical ways to upgrade a RAID once it is full is to start again or start another one.
One of those other NASs is a 1282T3 and I think the x72XT is the better option for editors due to the lower cost and better aligned feature set. I use the QNAP 10GBE switch as I had some non-thunderbolt stuff to include in the network. I only recall powering it up and plugging the cables into it. If there is a complicated set-up to do, I should have read the manual :S
Dude, thanks for this. I'm going through TH-camr team growing pains and this is exactly what we need!
Fantastic video, Max. One question: if 10Gb Ethernet maxes out at ~1000MB/s and Thunderbolt3 at around 1500MB/s how are you measuring / taking advantage of the 2700-3300MB/s transfer speeds you quote at various points in the video?
That’s what I said. I smell BS
I think it's because you may utilise all ports at once. So, both TB3, 10 GbE and 1 GbE ports all at once (for multi user scenarios). That's why Max mentioned that for up to 3 users you probably won't need SSD caching.
Thanks Max! After seeing your earlier reviews, we purchased and just finished setting up a 6-bay QNAP TVS-672. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences over the last 6 months. Greatly appreciated.
Hi Bob, we're just looking at the 6-bay versus 8-bay 872XT, now that you've had your 672XT for a year, how is it working out for you? And how many consecutive video editors do you have accessing this setup?
@@flip.design the NAS has improved our workflow - making it easy to access all of our files from any of our network connected devices (including smart phones). For video editing, we use a single desktop computer connected to the NAS via the lightning-3 connection. So, we have not tested more than one simultaneous video editor.
Really great video and I brought the 8 bays model after that, I put 8 x HGST HE10 8TB(RAID 6) and 2 x 970 EVO Plus 1TB(RAID 1) together as a QNAP Tier volume, connected with my iMac via 10GbE, thanks for your effort and that's a really great NAS.
I am not buying any new NAS after the Icy Box 4 tray. I know what future awaits NAS devices and that is burial by powerful processors.
What speeds were you getting with you setup on t3 and gigabit?
@@storycabinweddingfilms How about you?
Amazing video! 👏 Really helpful in considering a jump into the world of NAS...
Thanks for all the hard work here on the video and suggestions. I've watched this video now about 3 times now to make sure I set my QNAP672XT SSD cache correcting for editing 4k over a thunderbolt 3 connection on a 2020 iMac. now its time to do my speed test!!
what are you getting @Dudley Edmondson?
@@deesto I bought the 672XT and put 3 10TB seagate drives in and two 1TB flash memory and set them up for READ ONLY. It works great
@@fitguy49 I'm glad it is working great for you. However, I was asking what SPEEDs are you getting in your disk speed test? Both on TB3 connection, and 10Gbe if you use that?
What a great video. For people shopping for a video optimized NAS solution, I have yet to come across a more informative video. Plus I'm sold. I'm gonna recommend this setup to my client (or whatever the latest version of this hardware is). Looking forward to seeing what other content you put up. Cheers.
This is still the best TH-cam Channel that I am subscribed to! Thank you for so much for all the useful content!
I am so so SO thankful that you did this in-depth review of this device and how you were able to configure it to achieve stupid fast speeds. I definitely feel like I owe you. You better believe I'm going to use those affiliate links. THANK YOU!
Hey max, I would love to see an updated version of of this...or what are your thoughts 3 years later? I'm on the market for one before the end of the year and would love to know if you think this unit still holds up.
Ok Max - I got a TVS-872XT w/80TB Iron Wolf + 2TB EVO Plus - have you got any tips on a shared storage taxonomy for a small 1-3 media editors shop? Storage pool-volumes-folders. I'd like to start correct out of the gate and not have to rearrange everything a year down the line. For example, do you split folders out by Photos-Video-Audio or by file types, etc....those seem like valuable workflow questions and you've been using NAS's for a while...this is my first
In the same situation and would like to hear some insight about this.
Currently, I have things set up like this:
-FOOTAGE (everything that gets captured during a shoot arranged by date [2019-12-20 Client name_Project])
-PROJECTS
--Project Files (Premiere, AE, etc)
--Assets (Graphics, Client Branding, Imported Videos, Stock Music)
--Renders (rough cuts, etc)
-DELIVERABLES (sorted by client and project)
-MEDIA CACHE (this lives locally on an SSD, but may decide to move to NAS)
Love the specs of the device, hope you have no issues with the drives. My personal experience with ironwolf drive are not positive...
Thank you, Max. Our team were looking for a NAS solution and your previous video helped us make the decision to go with a QNAP similar to yours. We have up to 6 people connected at any time, including up to 4 editors. Our unit has 4x Thunderbolt connectors and we find it can be unreliable with more than 1 computer connected. However the 1Gbe connections are plenty enough for editing even 4K Red Raw footage.
Excellent video. I have the same NAS. Did you have an issue with the write speed being limited to about 350MBps? I tried RAID0 and thunderbolt 3 but write speeds are very slow. Any idea how to fix this?
Did you ever find the solution to this? I resorted to using 10Gbe and 9000Jumbo frames, which gave me a max of 1000-1050MB/s Read/Write. TB3 IP seems limited in the write direction, as i figure it can only use 1500MTU. Please comment below if you know better/different
Thanks Max! Followed this video closely for my own similar setup. Really appreciate the attention to detail.
@MaxYuryev 4:32 Beware, if you want to add a dual 10Gig network card in, you will need to remove the pre-installed Thunderbolt 3 card, as dual 10G network cards require an PCIe x8 slot.
As the second PCIe slot is only 4x, you thus have to remove the Thunderbolt 3 card from the x16 slot for the use of a dual 10Gbps network card. In other words the second PCIe slot runs at 4x, and you need a x8 or x16 PCIe slot for dual 10G network cards.
As far as I've seen the dual 10Gbe network cards only need a 4X slot. A 4X slot technically should support 4000MB/s and a 10GBe connection has a maximum of 1250MB/s (in my tests the fastest I've seen was 1100MB/s but usually about 950-1000). So a 4X slot should definitely support dual 10G cards. I just looked it up and yes Qnaps own Dual 10G PCI card lists a 4X PCI slot and their single 10Gb card lists a 2X PCI slot. www.qnap.com/en/product/nic-intel Of course, you don't have to buy the qnap ones which are really marked up but you can get an intel one (same networking chip as qnap and works out of the box the same way) geni.us/3Key55 just make sure your buying from a reputable seller.
Single 10G SFP+ cards run at 4x, hence a dual 10G SFP+ card runs at 8x.
Search QXG-10G2SF-CX4 what is a dual-port sfp+ 10gbe network expansion card from QNAP and you will see it runs at PCIe Gen3 x8.
Max you provide so much value in your videos it’s insane. Thank you so much
Great review. I have the TVS1282T and I absolutely love it. Best thing about it is that I have my DaVinci Resolve database setup on the QNAP and all my editors and colorist are able to use the collaboration feature in Resolve. Best money I've spent in the pass 3 years.
SUPER USEFUL VIDEO, MAX! GREAT GREAT JOB AND THANK YOU VERY MUCHHH!
Two questions for you, Max.
1) On the first graphic (0:11), it says "RAID 1 Read-Only SSD Cache". I'm guessing this is just a typo? It looks like you're using RAID 0 on the cache to get those speeds.
2) During the setup of the SSD Cache at (20:08) you turn off SSD Over-Provisioning. It's my understanding that this feature allows faster speeds and longer reliability. Why did you choose not to use it?
Thanks Max! Super helpful video. I ordered the tour bay version so this will be perfect to help me set it up.
That’s FAST! I recently made a video on modding my Synology DS918+ to 5GbE and it works great but when I eventually outgrow it I'll probably go to something like this.
Hey Max. Thanks for this video. You mentioned a 4-bay more silent version of this NAS at some point in this video. I realise that this video is now 3 years old but if you have any recommendation for a modern 4-bay NAS with thunderbolt connectivity, I’d be super grateful of your time and knowledge. Thanks -Charles
Such an epic breakdown! Thanks for being so committed to the quality of your content! :)
Can we use this as DAS without network attached? Just with thunderbolt connection
Gret Video! so is this for two computers or three? it looks like its designed for two... I have 5 Imacs, how do i make this work?
Since this video is 2 years old - is this still the best solution for this kind of small-team NAS? Seems really solid.
I think it is solid. But I have the same question as you. I would have opted for a TVS-H1288X or 1688X if it were not for the extra £1000 required. Comment below if you find any other info, please!
Can’t thank you enough for doing this man. Seriously. Now, would you still recommend this those same hard drives and Nvme SSDs? Has something significantly better came out this years that made those obsolete? Again, THANK YOU
Thank you for taking the time to reach out to other creatives and share the information about these raids. I understood everything you said... by the way what kind of a cable is best for thunderbolt 2?
I'm trying to figure out the best connection method for my thunderbolt four NAS from u green. Of course they included thunderbolt 4 in the Kickstarter but did not specifically state you could use it as a connection method.
Now I've had to learn a whole bunch of stuff about networking and buy a managed network switch and I'm getting fatigued by all of the things I have had to learn.
However having your own server and using it to edit your high resolution 8K and 4K video files is simply amazing.
More videos like this please! A long term update of this setup would be nice.
FANTASTIC AS ALWAYS MAX! Do you have a video with all the workflow that you use for the complete back up and archive of your data?
Thanks in advance and sorry for my Egnlish; i'm still learning
Have a Productive and Healthy Day!
would be so good to get an update on these setups and if anything changed for you. have you explored connecting the nas to a wifi 6 router. is there a way to 'mount' the nas like you would when it's directly plugged in over tb3 or ethernet, and then run a read/write test to see what 10gbe -> wifi6e router -> laptop can give you? maybe im living in the future here but I can't wait for the day when I can edit off of a nas wirelessly.
Holly cow... this thing is so loaded for a 3yo unit. WOW. Great video, thankyou.
Best TVS-872XT video so far. Good work!
Made it start to finish! Thanks for the amazing in-depth research
Thank you for the incredible effort that went into producing a video with such clear and useful information!
How does this stand in 2022, it there a better product?
Is there a newer version of this now since it has been a couple years or is it the best they got right now in the same realm of capability?
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Hey Max, Thanks for the Information.
We have Qnap TVS 672XT. We have installed 6 Ironwolf Pro 12 TB drives in Raid 5 configuration giving us the total space of 54TB, along with SSD cache enabled in Read-Write in Raid 0 configuration. We have 2 Samsung 970 Evo 250 TB Drives. Total Write speed we are getting is around 400mb/s and read speed is 1200-1400 mb/s in Thunderbolt 3 connection. In 10gigabit connect write spead is around 500mb/s and read speed is around 400mb/s. Why read speed is less? Even if we attach only 1 Ironwolf pro drive, still we get the same read write speed which is technically impossible.
Please help us to get full read write speed potential from our Qnap.
I can only help here by saying change your Qnap to 9000 Jumbo Frames, as well as the Thunderbolt Ethernet Adapter to the same (9000, instead of 1500MTU). You will then achieve 950-1050MB/s each way. I also max out at 400-500MB/s Write and 1100-1200MB/s Read via TB3 (400+ if Wifi adapter is off and nothing else is plugged in, otherwise 370-395MB/s). Who knows how Max says he achieves over 1000MB/s over 10Gbe. Lol. That is definitely not technically possible! Neither is achieving 3200MB/s from a NAS to computer in single TB IP connection. Also, the speed test results at the top of the video do not seem realistic. However, if you have any insight as to how to achieve these speeds after all this while, then please comment below!? The problem seem to come from the fact that TB3 IP uses 1500MTU, as when i used 10Gbe, and before i changed over to 9000 jumbo frames, these were the speeds i was getting (350-400MB/s). After I changed to 9000 jumbo frames the write/read speeds over 10Gbe went to 1050MB/s. TB3 stayed the same at 400MB/s tops - no way of changing from 1500 to 9000 AFAIK?
@@deesto Hey Denis. Thanks for the info.
I achieved around 950 mb/s write speed and 1000+ mb/s read speed by changing to 9000 jumbo frames on ethernet 10 gigabit. But i cannot achieve more than 350-400 mb/s write speed via tb3 although Read speed is around 1100-1300mb/s via tb3.
So my main Issue is only with write speed via TB3. I am also using ssd caching but it’s not improving any speed.
@@OneMusicLabel Same here then :)! I think it is because 1500 is set for TB3 and can't be changed. Try changing your 10gbe to 1500, and you will see those 350-400MB/s speeds to see what i mean.
@@OneMusicLabel have you seen QNAP UK video? They also show 700-800MB/s Write under TB3! What are we not doing or doing wrong? I get same speeds as you (well actually 1600-1700MB/s in Read over TB3, but 350-410MB/s write). So how are they achieving that WRITE speed?! As I'm writing straight to the static NVMe volume/s and get 1000MB/s Write over 10GbE. Have a look, it's about 26mins in from th-cam.com/video/2IKo6C2tzA0/w-d-xo.html
@@deesto yeah my situation is exactly the same . 350-500mb/s write speed and read goes upto 1400 mb/s. I was thinking there is some fault with my nas or atleast with my thunderbolt card on the nas. So I purchased the thunderbolt card for extra 140 dollars and still the speed was same. I don’t know how max and other achieve speed more than 1000 mb/s write on tb3.
Do you have a video that talks about the video editing process you use?
In particular, I want learn how to do server side video encoding/rendering. Process/edit on my laptop, but export the finished video on the server, freeing up my laptop. Any advice?
I need the ability to like this video 4 times TH-cam!!!! This made my purchase sooo easy I’m on editor that went with the 6 bay!! Yes I know super over kill but like Max said I don’t have to worry about this anymore unless I have to change drives… Max do you have a RAIS configuration video?
Was this still the best product in 2022?
@@TimSahlberg For me based on my testing with the 6 bay unit.. heck yeah.. this is heaven sent
@@MiguelReyes-sx1vs how is it holding up?
@@SamuelRiveraFilms AMAZING!!!!! no issues whatsoever easily one of the best decisions for my workflow and mental sanity lol
@@MiguelReyes-sx1vs I’m feeling your precious pain my friend. It working with a bunch of external SSD’s and it’s an absolute pain in the butt having to transfer files and not to mention, have a bunch of physical drives sitting on my work station. Your feedback is appreciated man! It’s extremely helpful.
Excellent work on this review Max - invaluable to a lot of people! Thanks so much for doing it!
I have watched thousands of TH-cam videos as this is the first comment ever. FANTASTIC video, direct and to the point with hard data!!!
THANK YOU!!!
Best video I've seen for the TVS-872XT!
I like the thunderbolt, seems a good option for transfering to and from an MBP
Hey Max, Thanks for the video. I have set up 2 of these now based on this video. What protocol are you guys using to connect on macs? SMB, NFS, AFS? Thanks
What UPS do you guys use for this? And what can you recommend?
Loved this video mate 👍🏻 Been eyeing off QNAP NASes for a while now and their Thunderbolt connection ability is especially awesome! Great run-through of your setup and explaining your decisions around HDD/SSD selection 😉
Nice setup! Was wondering how this compares with a Synology NAS? Im in the process of shopping around for a NAS setup for our video and photo work. QNAP seems to be very appealing.
For this question is a very simple answer - it can't be compared, because Synology doesn't offer such a powerful Thunderbolt 3 (+ 10GbE) NAS products.
And with new QTS hero OS this will get next higher level ;)
Hey.... this NAS got a number of bad reviews on Amazon. Why didn't you mention that?
Been watching a lot of videos of the QNAP and decided to pulled the trigger on getting the 453 with thunderbolt option... but what I'm still in cloud as to setting it up as a static volume or think/think for video editing, simple edits, only me, just editing with ProRes422HQ 4K footage (rarely 6k)..... hmmm.... I dont have much in-depth understanding between static voumes vs thicks.. and do we even need snapshots for them?
Hi Max Yuryev or whoever that can help answer this question. When setting up your Qnap did you set up a storage pool or did you just set up a volume without ever setting up a storage pool? And whatever you chose, why did you do that?
My question is if you have Hardware failure as in the motherboard, how easy is it to replace and get back up and running. I had a Synology, and when the motherboard died I was thankful to have a backup of my backup. So I moved to Dell R510. But it would be nice to have an ass so I can have a backup of my backup.
Hey Max, any particular reason why you stopped using the TVS-1282T3 and switched to this one? great video!
I don't really get how you can get higher speeds than the QNAP support when you talk about SSD cache 😅 was it the single pcie slot that has limited speed and not the dedicated NVMe slot?😊
I am not a big fan of a raid5/6 with extremely high capacity hdds because of the rebuild times. How long time does the Qnap need for the raid rebuild? (say you have to replace one of the HDDs) I guess for 16TB you will need many days? and when rebuilding the array the server access will operate at reduced perfromance - do you know what kind of r/w speed can be expected in that particular situation?
Hi, Max great video! Will there be an update to this video and your network setup?
Thank you so much for making this video, Max! Do you need an Ethernet port to use this NAS? My small team works out of a studio in an old warehouse and we share our downstairs neighbors wifi. I’d have to calculate in the costs of my own business wifi if I add that too.
Are you asking if you need the ports for your computer or if you need to be able to plug the cable into the router?
Thank you Max for this entire video - it is unbelievably helpful!!!
Amazing Video Max! I am loving my QNAP too! Thanks for helping me along the way!
I am running a 6 bay Qnap in Raid 5. I have a thunderbolt connection and two SSD's in Raid 0 for cache however I'm only getting 1450 Read Speed. Does anyone know what I need to do in order to get the read speed above 3,000?
Did you ever get to the bottom of this? I'm only getting 400MB/s WRITE, and 1200MB/s Read speeds over TB3. But I do get 1050MB/s Read/Write if using 10Gbe
How would this compare to some of the comparable Synology NASs that advertise 2000mb/s like the DS1819+?
Was trying to pinpoint what you ended up settling on for your SSD cache setup? Did you end up doing read only in Raid 0 or something else? Also I'm on Monterrey & 872XT on mobo version 1.7 and thunderbolt port is pretty much disabled. Shows disconnected. 2 days of owning this setup. I've heard of a lot of problems with disconnects but didn't imagine the port simply not showing up. I thought it might be my cable but as a workaround I'm using cal digit T3 to 10GBE adapter. So curious what everyone's doing to achieve these crazy write speeds. NVME didn't seem to make a noticeable difference for me so far. I max out around 500mb/sec write & 1000mb/sec read on 10GE with or without NVME cache set to read/write raid 1. Jumbo frames set to 9000
It's been a year since you made this comment. Were you able to figure it out? I'm also on an M1 with Monterey. Hoping I don't run into the same issue.
Hi Max, I just got my TVS-672XT NAS set up with two 1TB SSD, but I only run around 500mb write and 800mb read, with Thunderbolt 3 cable connected with mbp16” 2019. do you think the speed is normal?
I get 400-500MB/s Write and 1100MB/s Read over TB3. 1050MB/s Read/Write if over 10gbe. Did you manage to get any more than this? Please comment below ;)!
Watched the whole video & it's so helpful man!! Thanks for sharing all this info!! Appreciate you!
10G switches aren't THAT difficult to set up. They're coming down in price and since some (most) of them, you can just run CAT5e over short distances, it's getting to be more and more like plug-and-play.
You don't need a fancy 10GbE switch.
I think netgear has an affordable pro gaming switch with 2 10GB ports now.
switches in general have the easiest setup. you just plug the power, plug the cables and that's it. i don't know why ppl keep saying it's hard. and yes 10gbe switch are very affordable these days.
Can you please do a video for casual users. NAS with 2 or 4 bays :)
Max, great job, great info. Wanted to check 2 things though. Lets say I add a second 10GbE port, are you sure I can add 2 computers without the use of a switch? I had the impression from looking at QNAP's videos that the ports could only be used for bundling (I think is the term), and for 2 computers you would need a switch. Second: with your 2 x 1 TB NVMe SSD from Samsung for cache, what percentage did you use for overprovisioning? Thanks again.
Cool I was using my nas as a passthrough for 10gb networking and it would disconnect from time to time and mostly when I would have large loads. Clearly, this is a software issue that QNap needs to address as I was sick of disconnecting and connecting my iMac and moved my nas to the server room.
I don't understand how can you get those speeds throug ethernet if 10Gbps equals to 1250MB/s, so that should be your bottle neck, shouldn't it?
So is the qnap 8 bay gets 1,550 READ and 1250 write in RAID 5 via 10GBe (1 machine editing) are these numbers without the extra SSD boost?
nevermind. it's without.
@@justgouds No way you can achieve 1550 READ or 1250 write. 10GBe is like 1000-1100MB/s max! (1250 is theoretical). Not sure where he gets those numbers from!
You mention to backup on an other NAS outside the house and i think that's the route I want to take but Lets say I have 50gb NAS in Raid 5 should my backup be as big. Can I use my 16TB Nas to do this. I asking because I see the you use and external drive so it is smaller then your NAS system.
After a well done and informative video like this... how can they give you thumbs down is really a mystery.
Its a little miracle that camera stays in focus while all that "boxing" in front of camera.
What if you could put a powerful GPU inside the QNAP and use a dedicated TB3 connection for EGPU and the other TB3 connection for the raid.
Nice video? How 's small files speed/random access speeds? In my NAS, I am seeing very slow small file speed over Ethernet even with SSD cache (QNAP 453D).
man..
This was a GREAT video !
One can see it was a lot of work...and also it puts out a lot of data & knowledge, in a short burst !
thanks very much for this.
i’m still in the absorbing phase..trying to get an idea of what system i should go for, and this was a great way to get a general idea..as it really seems one should only get 10GbE in order to save in he long run.
(or if doing overkill high res work)
Again.., thanks !
much appreciated this.
cheers from Portugal, and happy holiday season ;)
i understand that only with fully populated hdds never give that much speed . am i correct ?
A problem with RAID 5 is when one drive fails, your RAID array runs in degraded mode and everything is much slower. I have seen an array fail because the rebuild caused another drive to fail before it fully recovered.
That is why you backup your data. A single RAID NAS on its own cannot be the DATA SOURCE OF RECORD AND BACKUP at the same time. This is a fatal mistake most small time outfits don't consider. I work at the largest bank in the world so we would never use such a small scale system. Our DATA SOURCE OF RECORD is on IBM Mainframe on VSAM files. Our backups are offsite on IBM DASD and/or tapes. We don't use 10GBit or Thunderbolt, we use 10 Terabit fiber optics. For example, our credit card system has 200 million active accounts on it each which has to be accessible in 200 milliseconds for a credit card authorization to occur in real-time.
So I'm guessing RAID 6 would be preferred for better redundancy while taking a hit on performance? Of course, I intend to have an offsite back-up but funds are limited and this is starting to seem like an option for all my growing RAW video files. Was considering the 6bay option. Thanks in advance for any help! This stuff is taxing on the brain but I do enjoy it :)
@@buddyfx7026 For storing RAW video files RAID 6 with a separate backup should be good. When top performance is required I like to use SSDs, especially NVMe. NVMe can have read and write speeds of several gigabytes per second.
Buddy FX well, a mirror or com of mirror is better. But much less space. With mirror, it can be considered a backup for personal use. Then redundancy for small biz. Then tape and off site... millions of buck. Bla bla bla. Out of scope.
NAP 10G thunderbolt adapter(Awaiting your review on this). I have a direct connect to a Microtik CRS305-1G-4S+1N 4 por t10G switch for about $209 using a Mellanox DAC Cable thanks to the 332X having a 10G SFP+ cage on its back. Perfect setup for a small network, Gives me 890% of the capability of the 872 for 1/4 of the price. and i duplicated the setup for the back.
What are your thoughts on the performance/reliability of the Sabrent 2tb NVME gen4 ?? I just picked one up to replace my samsung pro 1tb gen3 and you've got me worried about the longevity and performance when full now lol
Thanks for the video, great content. Would you buy such device if your computer doesn't have thunderbolt 3 on it? I still use a 2015 Macbook pro
Hello Max. This was an awesome video. Thank you. One thing I wanted to ask was what pool / volume configuration you used to attain these numbers? Was it a single static Volume or multiple thick or thin volumes? And why you made that decision. I am setting one up now for editing and was hoping for your splendid insight.
me too
Can QNAP TS-653D be powerfull enough to run 2 4k movies at sametime from plex?
If this version's not too old hardware-wise, you should be able to replace the thunderbolt card and install a 2-bay, low-profile pcie GPU like a 1050 ti. The recent XT models I've seen on the QNAP website say they now pass the GPU through to VMs, which allows to you do *everything* on the NAS.
Hey Max! Have you found ssd caching more useful than qtier?.. also i have an issue where the system will disconnect and reconnect multiple times overnight via T3. any thoughts on that?
Professional editor. I love this video. Watched it many times, and I just got an 872XT myself for WFH editing.
I would love to see a video of how your editors actually organize and connect to it though, on a Mac Finder level. Does each editor on your team have their own login? Is there a single login you've given everyone? What are their read/write permissions? Did you set up a Shared folder? Etc.
Basically, what does it look like on a user's end?
Read up on the instruction guide within QNAP or qnap’s site.
Also u can research on each user privileges that would give you a better idea.
I think each editor having their own login access to their own folder would be better with a common folder access allowed for all editors to get common files like effects, sound, animation, logo etc.
But project wise setting it as a folder basis per editor should be best.
And the boss having full permission to all folders is the way I would set up.
I built this with all the exact same parts you did.. I am connected directly via TB3... I don't see a speed difference on AJA or BM disk speed tests when I activate my 2 x 1tb SSDs in raid 0! The speed tests are the same without SSD caching as it is with it... not sure what I am doing wrong here! Sometimes the speed test results are even faster without the SSDs!
Same here, really. I think it is a known fact that SSD caching doesn't do much and that many people reccomend to turn it off. I think it evens out the slow uneven peaks, but doesn't really increase much. Maybe 80MB/s different at best, if at all. What are your speeds over TB3 in any case? I can't get mine past 400-500MB/s Write, and 1100-1300MB/s Read, year I can achieve 1050MB/s Read/Write over 10Gbe
Max, Are you currently using a battery backup with your TVS-872XT? I'm wondering what you're able to use that still communicates for auto-shutdown in case of power loss.
You sold me on this model. Your description and the 4k @ 60hz did it for me. Great connectivity to the edit bay and popcorn time after the day! One thought - Question you might know - Can I use the NAS as is (with 14Tb Seagate Enterprise drives installed) and later add the SSD cache. And can the SSD'd be used for other than cache? I'll be reading up so I apologise if this was already covered and I missed it
No problem yes you can add or remove SSD cache at any time and you can use it as storage as well.
@@MaksimYuryev Thank you Max. It's here and synchronizing. I'm a single edit bay producer and the units main focus is for popcorn hour so it will be in another room. I will therefore not have the advantage of T3 connection due to cable length. But the 10gb connection to a 10gb to T3 converter seems the logical choice. I'm pretty pumped all around. I'll wait and see about the SSD cache. We'll see how 4k projects work out! Now if the SSD cache would also be used to buffer 4k movie playback that might be interesting. But I don't really thing the bitrate through HDMI to the TV is high enough to stress the hard drive to output bandwidth. But I'm not sure if I'm talking out the side of my face here?? Anyway...Thanks again
Took a crash course in bitrates and bandwidth and ghz and ...and... Last night with a friend. All the throughput and transfer speeds I happily ignored because I just thought it was confusing. So I'm rethinking the whole setup considering the LAN should more than handle 4k streaming to the media room. So keep the NAS in the edit bay and take advantage of the T3 connection. And if I really want to use the HDMI connection, its only a 38 ft run. A stout HDMI cable should work. I'm typing this more for others who might be thinking along the same lines as I.
Is it still necessary to change any settings in Mac OSX in order to get best speeds out of the NAS? Re: SMB signing
When you connect the first time using Qfinder it will ask to auto optimize your network settings and you have to give it permissions. Over 10Gbe you should also switch to jumbo frames 9000.
How's it working out with FCPX? I know FCPX isn't the most friendly with NAS solutions... in particular, NAS systems that aren't setup in NFS with jumbo frames, and even then it's not great... I know QNAP's ThunderBolt implementations had previously been IP over TB, essentially making it a networking device instead of a DAS. I had some friends buy some QNAP devices and just couldn't get them working well with FCPX, and that's what's holding me back from pulling the lever on this buy.
Do we have to connect the nas to the internet as well for accessing data from anywhere in the world