The problem with Jing Yuan is that he is heavily relying on Tingyun, which is too squishy. Building a glass cannon team with Tingyun is extremely punishing in higher-level content. For f2p account, bringing Fire MC is obviously the choice but since Jing Yuan is skill point hungry + Tingyun need to occasionally buff Jing Yuan + Fire MC need to constantly stack his/her shield, there's nothing much we can do. I kinda understand why the CN community feels extremely disappointed to Jing Yuan's dmg as he is kinda expensive to build but somewhat of a mediocre (not for me) performance.
Considering the kind of investment he needs so he can, at the very least have six stacks on his lightning. Lord, he is mediocre. The average player will not be able to consistently hit that six stack minimum. I do believe it is absolutely a six stack minimum because without that as we know you don't get any use of his talent. Without that talent, you're losing damage and you may as well just go to another character who can hyper carry and not need nearly as much investment. Seele and Clara come to mind in that regard.
I got clara from standard so when i saw people are using fire mc with him so i thought why not use clara because both have taunt , i played her with him and i can say its going great for now lets see what happens at higher level ( iam open for advice for my jin yuan teams )
@@MajeedBelle That's just bullshit, sorry. "That kind of investment".. Bro you just need Tingyun or at the best case Bronya. With Bronya you have his 7 stacks 100% of the time and Bronya can go way tankier than Ting because she doesn't scale well off of Atk. Seele can also not Hyper Carry without investments. She needs a Bronya or Ting aswell to kill Enemies consistently and refresh. And when we get hard content were there are multiple enemies he will outperform Seele given she can't oneshot them which, at one point or the other, will happen.
You could go Healer with post-ops light cone for 1 extra skill point, which allow for Tingyun E -> Jing Yuan E -> Bronya E -> Jing Yuan E, and for the next cycle use Tingyun Q to regen skill point and then Jing Yuan ult (Ting Yun ult if available & needed for Jing Yuan to ult).
I think he will be good later on but right now we simply are not able to properly build him. Maybe better stat relics suitable for him will come later on.
Tbh with silverwolf incoming The perfect jingyuan team: Silverwolf Bailu Tingyun Jingyuan Runs perfectly since bailu can act as a defensive heal shield with 10% dmg reduction and heal stacks of her buffs Then the rest is self eplanitory since silverwolf would allow the team to easily break enemies since jingyuan has stupid amounts of break Combined with tingyun she can supply energy for the team if any of their ult is needed like emergency ult heals,debuffs or to max out 10 Stacks
My Bronya is 132 spd and still assist really great, since I did this rotation: Tingyun buff -> Bronya NA -> Jing skill (never use the ult unless he has 5 stack already)-> Bronya skill on Jing Yuan -> Jing Yuan ULT, then skills (or skill for charging the ult) (-> Tingyun ult after Jing ult if you have) If I lucky, Tingyun will be able to sneak a turn before the Thunder Lord, and NA the enemy to increase electric dmg or use the skill if 3 turn has passed
i used to regret losing my 50/50 seele banner to a second bronya (The first one i got from the standard banner) making her my first 5 star with E1. At first i didn't really feel much different at mid game. But, after i got to the end game content i always rely(gamble) on her when i have 1 skill point left and it's on bronya turn. Even if the chance is 50/50 on getting the skill point back it really changes the situation of the game if it is a hit.
I wasn't planning on getting him but did a couple ten pulls just because I was at low pity and I'm building him in a follow up attack team work clara,bailu, March 7th. However, until I get bronya tingyaun is staying with seele.asta could replace clara in the future but I just finished building clara and went to jing
I didn't pull on the seele banner and pulled on jing yuan banner. Surprisingly, i got bronya on my first 10 pull while jing yuan and ting yun on my 3rd 10 pull. It's like Hoyoverse gave me Jing Yuan's best team comp. Bronya and Jing Yuan are skill points hungry but fortunately i have relic set on my natasha that gives extra skill points at the start of the battle.
Yeah I be currently using Bronya, Jing Yuan, preservation MC and Natasha for Simulation and almost everything….mainly cause I don’t have enough resources to build out too many others and I didn’t pull ting yun sadly. Good news is once I get my 300 pity pull I’ll choose a second Bronya because why not get that ediolon unlocked.
Do you guys think it's better to use E2 Peela or E0 Asta with my Jing yuan, Bailu, and Tingyun comp? I'm using spd boots on him right now, but I could also just get atk boots. If I use Peela though, I'm not sure what main stats I should use for her relics. Please help... TwT
I'm currently running a team with Tingyun, Jing Yuan, Welt and Bailu (or alternatively Ting, Jing, Bailu and Trailblazer fire) But im praying to get Silver Wolf to swap out Welt. If i dont get sw I'll just put in Yukong (I'm hoping to get eidolons for her on the Luocha banner)
If I am running a team with Jing, Tingyun and Bronya. Who would be a better 4th for survivability? Bailu or Gepard and why? (FYI - I have both and their 5* lightcone)
the problem i have with Jingyuan is he just to slow, even when LL already stack 10. yes my Tingyun even with HP chest have 152 Speed. so dshe scure have 2 act each turn. but the problem is JY cant keep up with my Tingyun. my Tingyun already build the burst and LL still waiting there for his turn then i can burst again with Tingyun. its painfull to hold back your burst like that, ifonly LL instantly active when hit 10 Stack it would ve good.
I think he's good, I have a very meh build for him, focusing on atk, cr, and cd with no lightning dmg bonus from the artifacts, only the 2pc lightning with 2pc cowboy thingy. He's E0 and his atk is over 3k his cr is 40 and cd is 150. I don't pair him with tingyun or bronya, my team build is Seele, Jing Yuan, Fire TL, and Luocha. He's using a f2p lightcone cause I don't spend money, nor do I wish on LC banner. And yet he does 60k for me when he crits. No characters are bad, there's just bad artifacts and strats.
Apparently all I needed was to have BOTH Bronya AND Ting Yun in order for Jing Yuan to hit as hard as he was hyped up to do... he's still my favorite character, just should've known that he'd be nerfed from his CBT form compared to the version of him for actual release...edit: already used 300th pull just to get Bronya... great, so I still need a 2nd copy of her... 🙄
Or maybe you could use Asta instead of bronya or build 134spd and use pela and tingyun there. I agree Jing Yuan have limited team comps but ting+bronya is not his only viable comp.
@@leonesavabel3651 I appreciate that, and I did build Pela instead of Asta. In the short term, we will be limited on resources, so I plan to focus on Ting Yun and Bronya. For longer term and as other elements are necessary, rotating to Asta and Pela will be great. Makes me look forward to pulling eidolons for Asta while aiming to get Silver Wolf!
It isn't as hard to manage for me since I mainly rely on Natasha's Ult for heals instead of her skill and I built my tingyuan to be fast enough to have 2 turns the 2nd being at least 1 turn ahead of LL. Thanks to this I can consistantly get skill points 3 per cycle. If your characters are barely built I don't reccomend buffing Jing ting after every 2 turns. I ran my own test here are the results JingLv.60 with inconsistent 7-10 stacks + max buffs every 2 turns = 15k/18k/22k JingLv.60 with consistent 10 stack + minimum buffs = 20k My Jing yuan build My 4 piece for Jing is 5star Sizzling lightning crit damage and attack main stat with a bit of spd, defense, and hp. My 2 piece ornaments is herta space statstion Break effect purple and Herta space station lightning damage. 16% crit rate, 150% crit damage, 70% Lightning damage, SPD 108. LC- Seriousness of breakfast S2 E0 Jing yuan
Which is why no matter how strong a character is hyped up to be, I always recommend to never pull them on day 1, until other people have extensively tested them and/or I've seen the next banner. It happened in Genshin as well. Everybody really thought Zhongli was going to be a cracked shielder that also hit hard, but got nerfed so hard that a 4* spear character dealt more damage than him. After many complaints, he got 2 buffs that he's become one of the best characters, but you can't bank on that to happen for every banner character.
@@markmywords3817 I appreciate that, but I already wanted Jing Yuan when my interest in the game started weeks before release. Its all good. I still enjoy using him and have a ways to go to fine tune his kit. Thanks for your info!
The way I see it is that Jing Yuan is the only other 5 star DPS we are getting until Kafka and Blade. So I feel even if his damage isn't totally insane, and he requires some investment, at the moment he is worth it just on that basis.
@@Holdtight920 both apparently, seele is too op so she makes him seem bad, but the glaring issues said in the video makes him kinda mediocre without a good comp.
There's something I don't understand, so Jing Yuan's base speed is 99, and Asta's ult gives you 36-54 flat speed, why would Jing Yuan need any extra speed if Asta's buff is flat?
Do you know what the funny part is? Tingyun's e1(or e2) makes it so the person with benediction(her skill buff) whenever they cast ult they get 20% speed boost....and her e6 also gives 60 energy which enables jing to get away with one less e for ult.... ting yun's kit is definitely not for jing yuan
Erudition as a whole is the problem but I'm more optimistic that Mihoyo can make an event that make Erudition unit shine. As of now; the HSR is still new at takes a lot of patches to give this game more life
Any other Jingyuan teams should we know about? 🤔
JY, Tingyun, Asta, Gepard its what im using u can change gepard with Bailu or Nat
@@warragnarok literally in the video lol
JY, Tingyun, NAT, velt
JY, welt, Natasha/Bailu and Fire MC
Full Mono lightning team, Jingyuan + Tingyun + Bailu + Silverwolf, to force him into every single endgame content possible
This mans pronounces Tingyun like how Benedict Cumbatch pronounces penguin.
fr 💀
I think that's how you're supposed to say her name in Chinese though
@@ra6765 It depends on your dialect. Both yween↑ and yun↑ are correct. I just find it funny because he also pronounces Jing Yuan Jing Ween.
that`s the correct pronunciation in CN tho. Aware
@@ra6765 kinda like thingyoon (very very simplified for non chi speakers)
The problem with Jing Yuan is that he is heavily relying on Tingyun, which is too squishy. Building a glass cannon team with Tingyun is extremely punishing in higher-level content. For f2p account, bringing Fire MC is obviously the choice but since Jing Yuan is skill point hungry + Tingyun need to occasionally buff Jing Yuan + Fire MC need to constantly stack his/her shield, there's nothing much we can do. I kinda understand why the CN community feels extremely disappointed to Jing Yuan's dmg as he is kinda expensive to build but somewhat of a mediocre (not for me) performance.
Considering the kind of investment he needs so he can, at the very least have six stacks on his lightning. Lord, he is mediocre. The average player will not be able to consistently hit that six stack minimum.
I do believe it is absolutely a six stack minimum because without that as we know you don't get any use of his talent. Without that talent, you're losing damage and you may as well just go to another character who can hyper carry and not need nearly as much investment. Seele and Clara come to mind in that regard.
I got clara from standard so when i saw people are using fire mc with him so i thought why not use clara because both have taunt , i played her with him and i can say its going great for now lets see what happens at higher level ( iam open for advice for my jin yuan teams )
@@MajeedBelle That's just bullshit, sorry. "That kind of investment".. Bro you just need Tingyun or at the best case Bronya. With Bronya you have his 7 stacks 100% of the time and Bronya can go way tankier than Ting because she doesn't scale well off of Atk. Seele can also not Hyper Carry without investments. She needs a Bronya or Ting aswell to kill Enemies consistently and refresh. And when we get hard content were there are multiple enemies he will outperform Seele given she can't oneshot them which, at one point or the other, will happen.
@@Schokokeks233People expecting damage dealers to solo carry in a team based game is very funny to me.
@@MajeedBelle My guy with only speed boots and tingyun he can consistently get 8-10 stacks
Every dps can hit hard with bronya and tingyun 🤣
In conclusion ..get ting and bron first, talk about something else later =]]]]]]
Bennet + kazuha all over again
yeah
You could go Healer with post-ops light cone for 1 extra skill point, which allow for Tingyun E -> Jing Yuan E -> Bronya E -> Jing Yuan E, and for the next cycle use Tingyun Q to regen skill point and then Jing Yuan ult (Ting Yun ult if available & needed for Jing Yuan to ult).
I think he will be good later on but right now we simply are not able to properly build him. Maybe better stat relics suitable for him will come later on.
Ting ween 🌭
Jing ween 🌭
🤌🏼😂
Tbh with silverwolf incoming
The perfect jingyuan team:
Silverwolf
Bailu
Tingyun
Jingyuan
Runs perfectly since bailu can act as a defensive heal shield with 10% dmg reduction and heal stacks of her buffs
Then the rest is self eplanitory since silverwolf would allow the team to easily break enemies since jingyuan has stupid amounts of break
Combined with tingyun she can supply energy for the team if any of their ult is needed like emergency ult heals,debuffs or to max out 10 Stacks
everyone making fun of Tingween but its closer to the actual Chinese pronunciation (Ting Yeeuhn) rather than the english style TingyUN
5:28 Was there supposed to be something there? Thought my phone's screen was about to time out due to the brightness lmao
My Bronya is 132 spd and still assist really great, since I did this rotation:
Tingyun buff -> Bronya NA -> Jing skill (never use the ult unless he has 5 stack already)-> Bronya skill on Jing Yuan -> Jing Yuan ULT, then skills (or skill for charging the ult) (-> Tingyun ult after Jing ult if you have)
If I lucky, Tingyun will be able to sneak a turn before the Thunder Lord, and NA the enemy to increase electric dmg or use the skill if 3 turn has passed
Hearing Ace Attorney Music makes me happy
Jesus man, thank you so much for your video, it made things so much more easy to understand about him, thank you and keep the good work
i used to regret losing my 50/50 seele banner to a second bronya (The first one i got from the standard banner) making her my first 5 star with E1. At first i didn't really feel much different at mid game. But, after i got to the end game content i always rely(gamble) on her when i have 1 skill point left and it's on bronya turn. Even if the chance is 50/50 on getting the skill point back it really changes the situation of the game if it is a hit.
I wasn't planning on getting him but did a couple ten pulls just because I was at low pity and I'm building him in a follow up attack team work clara,bailu, March 7th. However, until I get bronya tingyaun is staying with seele.asta could replace clara in the future but I just finished building clara and went to jing
I didn't pull on the seele banner and pulled on jing yuan banner. Surprisingly, i got bronya on my first 10 pull while jing yuan and ting yun on my 3rd 10 pull. It's like Hoyoverse gave me Jing Yuan's best team comp. Bronya and Jing Yuan are skill points hungry but fortunately i have relic set on my natasha that gives extra skill points at the start of the battle.
you mean relics on ur natasha
Yeah I be currently using Bronya, Jing Yuan, preservation MC and Natasha for Simulation and almost everything….mainly cause I don’t have enough resources to build out too many others and I didn’t pull ting yun sadly. Good news is once I get my 300 pity pull I’ll choose a second Bronya because why not get that ediolon unlocked.
Do you think Yukong can/will replace Asta as a f2p? Thinking of rolling Luocha banner, may get a couple copies of Yukong but will be stuck on E0 Asta
Do you guys think it's better to use E2 Peela or E0 Asta with my Jing yuan, Bailu, and Tingyun comp? I'm using spd boots on him right now, but I could also just get atk boots. If I use Peela though, I'm not sure what main stats I should use for her relics. Please help... TwT
Asta 100% all the way i run the same team as yours except with fmc
Pela is ehhh ok but if u happen to get silver wolf your team should be perfect
@@dcoolix6208 Awee thanks! I hope to get silver wolf in the future, but I likely won't have enough pulls for her
I'm currently running a team with Tingyun, Jing Yuan, Welt and Bailu (or alternatively Ting, Jing, Bailu and Trailblazer fire) But im praying to get Silver Wolf to swap out Welt. If i dont get sw I'll just put in Yukong (I'm hoping to get eidolons for her on the Luocha banner)
Damn good thing I got two bronya's and 3 tingyun in 50 pulls 💀
God bless… I pulled for him kinda expecting to lose the 50/50 but got him. I regret pulling for him, but videos like this makes it better for it
If I am running a team with Jing, Tingyun and Bronya. Who would be a better 4th for survivability? Bailu or Gepard and why? (FYI - I have both and their 5* lightcone)
need healing unit, because ting yun is squishy
Anything should work, just make sure that they are built
the problem i have with Jingyuan is he just to slow, even when LL already stack 10. yes my Tingyun even with HP chest have 152 Speed. so dshe scure have 2 act each turn. but the problem is JY cant keep up with my Tingyun. my Tingyun already build the burst and LL still waiting there for his turn then i can burst again with Tingyun. its painfull to hold back your burst like that, ifonly LL instantly active when hit 10 Stack it would ve good.
Why would you use meshing cogs and not dance dance dance?
Song at 4:16? I'm going insane trying to remember
Paradise Island from Honkai Impact 3rd
@@renrengacha Thank you!
I think he's good, I have a very meh build for him, focusing on atk, cr, and cd with no lightning dmg bonus from the artifacts, only the 2pc lightning with 2pc cowboy thingy. He's E0 and his atk is over 3k his cr is 40 and cd is 150. I don't pair him with tingyun or bronya, my team build is Seele, Jing Yuan, Fire TL, and Luocha. He's using a f2p lightcone cause I don't spend money, nor do I wish on LC banner. And yet he does 60k for me when he crits. No characters are bad, there's just bad artifacts and strats.
The Lightning Lord nickname should be "LiLo"
I do wish we had more control for the Lightning Lord, but all we have is stacking JY to 10.
Can't even push LL from any other sources.
Apparently all I needed was to have BOTH Bronya AND Ting Yun in order for Jing Yuan to hit as hard as he was hyped up to do... he's still my favorite character, just should've known that he'd be nerfed from his CBT form compared to the version of him for actual release...edit: already used 300th pull just to get Bronya... great, so I still need a 2nd copy of her... 🙄
Or maybe you could use Asta instead of bronya or build 134spd and use pela and tingyun there. I agree Jing Yuan have limited team comps but ting+bronya is not his only viable comp.
@@leonesavabel3651 I appreciate that, and I did build Pela instead of Asta. In the short term, we will be limited on resources, so I plan to focus on Ting Yun and Bronya. For longer term and as other elements are necessary, rotating to Asta and Pela will be great. Makes me look forward to pulling eidolons for Asta while aiming to get Silver Wolf!
It isn't as hard to manage for me since I mainly rely on Natasha's Ult for heals instead of her skill and I built my tingyuan to be fast enough to have 2 turns the 2nd being at least 1 turn ahead of LL. Thanks to this I can consistantly get skill points 3 per cycle. If your characters are barely built I don't reccomend buffing Jing ting after every 2 turns.
I ran my own test here are the results
JingLv.60 with inconsistent 7-10 stacks + max buffs every 2 turns = 15k/18k/22k
JingLv.60 with consistent 10 stack + minimum buffs = 20k
My Jing yuan build
My 4 piece for Jing is 5star Sizzling lightning crit damage and attack main stat with a bit of spd, defense, and hp.
My 2 piece ornaments is herta space statstion Break effect purple and Herta space station lightning damage.
16% crit rate, 150% crit damage, 70% Lightning damage, SPD 108.
LC- Seriousness of breakfast S2
E0 Jing yuan
Which is why no matter how strong a character is hyped up to be, I always recommend to never pull them on day 1, until other people have extensively tested them and/or I've seen the next banner.
It happened in Genshin as well. Everybody really thought Zhongli was going to be a cracked shielder that also hit hard, but got nerfed so hard that a 4* spear character dealt more damage than him.
After many complaints, he got 2 buffs that he's become one of the best characters, but you can't bank on that to happen for every banner character.
@@markmywords3817 I appreciate that, but I already wanted Jing Yuan when my interest in the game started weeks before release. Its all good. I still enjoy using him and have a ways to go to fine tune his kit. Thanks for your info!
The way I see it is that Jing Yuan is the only other 5 star DPS we are getting until Kafka and Blade. So I feel even if his damage isn't totally insane, and he requires some investment, at the moment he is worth it just on that basis.
In other words, probably tier 2 after kafka is released in 2 months. Jingyuan is really klee of genshin
Are people calling him trash because they actually think his dmg is trash or because they are comparing him to a op broken character dps like seele?
@@Holdtight920comparisons
@@Holdtight920 both apparently, seele is too op so she makes him seem bad, but the glaring issues said in the video makes him kinda mediocre without a good comp.
@jayden wan Yep he will probably get power crept really fast but for now he's the best second option next to seele imo
First thing first.
How to make ting survive the entire battle????
Stack her up with hp and its not enough omg......
My jing doesn't have staggering 140 speed it's really impossible for an f2p but i am good with 128
Just got e1 bronya I’m fucking balling
idk, i kinda regret pulling jing yuan lol
But why my lightning lord always 10 every turn
I got 3 jing yuan, 4 Sushang and 0 Tingyun. Game hates me ☹️
game hates you cuz it gave you 3 Jingyuan lmao
I wish I could get jing yuan I got tingyun from the normal banner LOL
@@buliontro 😭
There's something I don't understand, so Jing Yuan's base speed is 99, and Asta's ult gives you 36-54 flat speed, why would Jing Yuan need any extra speed if Asta's buff is flat?
So you can get another E off of him when the asta buff wears out and before she has another ult
I use Jing Yuan, Tingyun, Asta and Gepard as my main team. No healer needed.
Do you know what the funny part is? Tingyun's e1(or e2) makes it so the person with benediction(her skill buff) whenever they cast ult they get 20% speed boost....and her e6 also gives 60 energy which enables jing to get away with one less e for ult.... ting yun's kit is definitely not for jing yuan
She pairs extremely well with him, I barely invested on mine, but i still can use it kinda fine becausa of her ultimate as well
i think he is trying to pronounce the cn names correctly guys, it's just hard to say 😭
If only I have E1 Bronya and her signature light cone... Oh wait I do have those :>
Good thing I plan on running him with luocha
Erudition as a whole is the problem but I'm more optimistic that Mihoyo can make an event that make Erudition unit shine. As of now; the HSR is still new at takes a lot of patches to give this game more life
Liked, subscribed and shared just because of 3:40 - 3:45 😂
Me with E1 Bronya, E2 Tingyun, and Jingyuan and not doing good damage 💀
Me with E2 Bronya…😂
Jing juandale dingles 2nd skill familiar with daddy heng
you could do this... or you could just have gotten seele instead XD
tho i still pulled for him because he looks cool
well damn got e1 bronya for free so guess this doesnt apply to me /hj
my option is to build asta and that way i can make mine work cus i have no bronya.
Tingyun with E1 solves everything
6:46 LMAOOOOOOOO
Basic ATK should give him stacks too....
So ur telling me i need to use tingyun 💀 i didnt even build Tingyun
Im currently using Jing Yuan, March, Natasha and Himeko ... hehe... yeah
What's lol fck himeko
So.. jing yuan + tingyun + asta + bronya?
Even then you would still need e1 Bronya
Sure, for showcase.
but he's handsome
You r underrated for sure.
Omg tingwin
Now it's time to cope that they will make erudition come into meta a bit since rn hunt is just superior, that already sets jing yuan down a peg
''as his Q doesn't build stacks''? wdym
If you say Tinwin one more time I swear to God
Ting Queen 👑
Omg 8 minutes just to say "use bronya and tingyun"… no shit Sherlock 😅
I can fix him
LL is slow asf, its AoE is only 20% splash, random.
But then if he was fast asf, you wouldn't be able to stack as much
The answer is that just when he stack 10 auto attacks.
tinguin
Tingwin lmao.
Not him saying Tinguin like pinguin the whole time 😭😂
Ting ween jing ween pinguin
Tingwin🙂
why do americans mess up the most easiest names 😭😭
why are u pronouncing ting yun's name like that......its not even hard....
dude thinks hoyo will even watch this video
so just run every harmony character lol jing yuan is so trash
thanks for mention how much speed you need and all the requirement that i need to optimize jing yuan 🥲