But God Didn’t Say That: Religious Community Members Talk God and Abortion
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- Sam sits down with Jaime Manson, Rafa Kidvai, Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg to learn how their counterparts on the right have successfully melted American minds to make us believe that God outlawed abortion. God didn’t. God’s actually pretty chill.
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"Fragile men project their own fragility onto god and their god is male and does not believe in women's equality" is the best single line description of the religious right in any culture throughout the world, I've ever heard.
Truth
Love how this Catholic lady put it. It's so true. Monotheism = patriarchy.
Babylonians, Hinduism and Catholicism all have women gods equal to men, but it still doesn't make women instincts, mental and physical strength on the level of men. Someone still has to hunt and someone has to cook the meat.
@@vbin9081 Shhhh. Adults are talking.
@@AustinAto Sick, demented baby-killing adults are talking. Someone has to stand-up for preservation of life
As A (male) Brit it always seems to me that politicians arguing about Abortion is meant to distract from economic and other issues. Hey .. look over here, we want to condemn people and make you feel righteous: don’t look at the people bankrolling us, feeding you false information, not wanting you to have decent health care , etc. etc.
Nah, ‘fraid not, it’s always been, always will be about the oppression of women, the poor and persons of color.
@@Buttercup697 One does not exclude the other.
@@Buttercup697 true. Which is why, Martin, governments, economies, religion and health care were STARTED from the premise that women, persons of color and the poor were, and are, lesser and need controls placed on them. To make those who make the rules feel better about their own inadequacy.
@@adhyjc8 I think that would be my position. But I’m adding that They are trying to mask all the oppression behind this ( itself oppressive) argument, its a sleight of hand. We don’t have this particular argument on party lines here ( waits for evidence of other bad things in the UK).
You are not wrong. The right wing cannot hold onto power by legitimate means (IE offering policies that are beneficial to most people), they can only do it by creating fear (vote for us or the other side will get into power and xyz will happen). That's why they have to create these strawmen. Abortion, immigration, CRT, pronouns... Basically anything they can use to gin up fear and/or anger in their potential voters.
I would PAY to watch a series of debates between this panel of women vs. a panel of orthodox/evangelical men.
That would be super interesting.
Especially celibate priests that aren't getting any (or at least any with children over the age of 16).
Even if they accepted, the men would walk out once the women started giving intelligent, logical answers
Absouletly.
@@williamkeys5701 lol.
They would start speaking in tongues and yelling… it wouldn’t be a debate- it would be self-righteous, virtue signaling men screaming at educated women.
“Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion”
This right here
It's so wonderful to actually see a panel of women discuss reproductive laws, and also sad how rare that is
If you wanted to see a panel of women who largely agree with eachother discuss such things then you can always watch the View.
One of the reasons it's so rare is because women don't have a voice in your country, and those who do are not listened to or appreciated, i,e., Elizabeth Warren, Katie, Porter, AOC and her "squad". Instead, all we hear is the numbing voices of Christie Noam, Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Lauren Boebert, Candace Owens, to name a few....
You are 100% wrong! Catholic its a man in woman body ( maybe) .
Yet another thing you'll never see on Joe Rogan despite his fans claiming he has guests 'from all walks of life'
@@havable yep you will likely never see a full panel of women who already agreed with eachother before hand, go on a panel and agree with eachother there. Yep you probably won't see that on Joe Rogan.
I LOVE the whole "a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim walk into a bar", approach!!! Who'd a' thunk it would bare out an interesting, intelligent and thought provoking discussion? Very well done...
It's brilliant. Love this
*bear out
@@antred11 What? Nothing on the "Who'd a' thunk"portion? Thanks for the clarification, though...
@@vincentsablan732 That one is encountered so frequently, it's probably accepted usage by now. ;P
@@antred11 That was my attempt at sarcasm. I'm nearly 60 and often confuse homonyms, since I write/type quite rarely these days. I try to keep in "practice" by commenting, every so often. Sometimes spell check and auto fill are my worst enemy...
Realized about halfway through that this is the first time I've seen an all women panel discussing women's reproductive rights. Why is this not the norm.
Partisan hacks misrepresenting the religious faiths they claim to observe while engaging in one-sided propagandizing.....I think that actually is the norm.
Because men make up 50 percent of the population that is like saying non gun owners can't discuss gun rights issues.
Have you met any straight men?
Didn't realize that until I read your comment. Like my brain automatically clocks when it's a panel of conservative men, but when it was a panel of women my brain was like "yup, that's right."
I just think that most women do not feel as passionate as you expect about killing unborn babies
Thank you for having WOMEN of religion talk about this issue; too often religions and religious men think they can speak for women on the matter
You mean the lesbian Catholic priest on the right? I'm sure she studied the bible very well. Why not interview actual priests from the catholic church. Why not interview Imam's that are Muslim? 3 Random women that might as well host their own "The View" show. ;) If you want to learn something about someone actually interview someone, not rando lesbian girl.
Why didn’t she invite a Christian girl from Arkansas or Alabama
Meanwhile, women tend to tell men what they are supposed to think about everything
Samantha Bee, I truly despise this self righteous sanctimonious, self aggrandizing,holier than thou attitude of progressive liberal ideology who thinks she is better than you. She hates men. Her put downs of Biblical teachings and the Catholic faith are reprehensible. She insults anyone who doesn't go along with line of thinking.
@Maria jemenez Kleen You are wrong about the fact that children are innocent. They are still tainted with Original Sin.
these folks need a podcast. imagine the many fascinating discussions. also +1 for the extended interview!
Great idea! Like Sisters in Law!! Sisters for Choice in Religion!
Yes, these women need to school SCOTUS!
This would be an amazing podcast!
Yeah, Hey Samantha Bee, Can you make this a regular, or irregular if you wish, thing? Lots of us would appreciate it.
Give them the time slot wasted on the View.
“The greatest tragedy in human history may have been the hijacking of morality by religion.”
-- Arthur C Clarke
Good one.
@@Dan-ud8hz "The original fake news is the fake news of jesus." - Fox news, never.
Agree!
I perfer Somerset Maugham's quote, "The great tragedy of life is not that men perish, it is that they cease to love." If we truly loved each other better, we would trust each other more and support each other better.
@@differnet perfectly said quote
"Fragile men project their fragility onto God."
And the bible doesn't have any mention of abortion because it is NOT the "word of god" but rather something written by byzantine shepards who had no experience of women and their concerns.
@@katestevens86 I'm sure HALF those sheep were women! They were the ones giving abortions when he counted the dates BACK and knew those babies wouldn't look....um, sheepish enough!
Feminists be like
@@phillipogwikans5386 You feel threatened, don’t you ?
Frankly god is fragile. If he werent the concept woupdnt have been created by a men only club
"When does the soul leave the body? Is it when you run for office or when you actually win?" 🤔 😆 That's golden! That's one of the best jokes ( and quite possibly a reality) that I've ever heard in my life!!!!
How many has Donnie paid for? Probably none. He promised to pay, but the check just never seemed to get to the clinic. 🤷♂️
This is how we got Erik.
Exactly what I was thinking.
"All my abortions were the best, the biggest... nobody abortions like me. Fake news." (I'm sorry, I can hear it too, and I hate that.)
What's it like to be obsessed?
@@unclejune2839 Asks the troll while trolling.
"Freedom of religion mean freedom from religion."
As a Christian, I support this. Our teachings are to spread the word, not force it. The genuine word being spread can inspire, but forcing it upon others will do nothing but turn them away. I've been on both ends, and this is my testimony to that.
As an progressive Christian I agree. Religion shouldn't be forced on anyone
The Catholic Church AND the various Evangelical cults have this one thing they agree with - they VIOLENTLY disagree with that statement. You MUST believe, else HOW CAN I CONTROL YOU?
I'm also super cool with these types killing all of their children. It's survival of the fittest. I prefer these types k1ll their babies, and I'm *sure* the dead babies prefer it.
@@TradBarbie How very Christian of you.
@@plaidpanda Isn't it??
Don't you people want me to be as happy as you are for having killed your babies??
So... you *WANT* me to be angry with you?
So is that *WHY* you like killing your babies so much; because it's angers Christians??
It seems your world revolves around us.
We don't talk enough about how politicizing abortion was a concerted effort by conservative strategists in the 70s and 80s to unify conservative Catholics and Evangelicals in order to strengthen their voting base. And it worked. Abortion was not a huge political issue for most before this time. And now it is the single most important issue for so many voters. Very intentional and insidious. There's a very good NYTimes essay (Abortion Has Never Been Just About Abortion) that describes how much racism also played into this strategy.
meanwhile in the UK our conservatives are fine with it, means their maids can be sorted out without fuss ;)
And the moral majority stuck their noses in it and made it worse.
The politicization of the issue was made inevitable by the very political nature of the Court's decision. For both sides, organizing and exerting political pressure has been the only means by which to effectively advance an agenda so profoundly alienating to the other side.
@@donapril2931 It wasn't inevitable. They chose to politicize abortion because running on overt racism was becoming too much of a political liability.
@@allison210 That is a popular narrative lately. One unsupported by the facts. The Court made it inevitable when they made a decision more political than jurisprudential. Every great moral question, inevitably, becomes political. Each side wants to cast aspersions on the sincerity of the other side. There is no reason to do that.
Love seeing different religions represented by an all-female-presenting panel. This needs to happen more often!
All female???
@@Bob-pw7rf ...religion is often viewed from a male POV, so it's really refreshing to see the opposite of that. Context: I grew up Catholic.
You mean all lesbian panel
@@mollycblaeser A Male might add that: God did Not Ban Cannibalism Either
As an Episcopalian, I believe that abortion is a great tragedy that women choose to avoid another tragedy. And women are wise enough to make their own medical and spiritual choices. Our job is to love her.
Perfectly described. Most women who have it are traumatized by the process but relieved to be done with it. Speaking for myself anyways
i concur. in the 21st century i truly believe there ought to be a separation of church and state. women should be allowed to make their own decisions. there's nothing worse than forcing motherhood on people who arent ready or meant to be mothers. it ends up being an even greater tragedy
Well said ❤️
What about woman that abandon the child when is still a baby or leave it in a bag in the trashcan with the umbilical cord still attached to it.
Dear Ms. Lincourt: Very well said. Thank you.
I was told once that my child couldn't be baptized because I didn't give the church 10% of my wages. Last time I had anything to do with Organized Religion.
Because that's what the Bible preaches. "All men (and sometimes women) are allowed into the Kingdom of Heaven, but only if you pay the tithes."
Good call.
You're lying.
@@henrytawnn8694 Oh is that right?
Quote the Scripture please.
@@TradBarbie I am not lying and I wrote the Bishop and complained.
This is exactly the kind of stuff I love Sam Bee for; you just don't get this content anywhere else! These three are also amazingly funny which is just an added benefit.
Same here. And it's refreshing having women on to talk about these issues. I've seen other shows where they bring on men to speak their ignorance on these issues.
It was pretty good
Totally agree!
Delusion?
I think her humor gets over done when its by itself, it needs to part of a medley. That's why she's never surpassed her work with Jon Stewart on the daily show, but then few have.
"Fragile men project their own fragility onto God" 👏👏👏
Regarding that last question..."How many abortions do you think that Donald Trump has paid for?" Sam & her expert panel forgot one thing....he's notorious for not paying his bills.
ROTFL😆🤣😆
Very good point - how many he's paid for is probably zero. How many he's _said_ he'd pay for is likely much, much higher.
Zing! Well struck, sir!
He paid his money for people to sign their NDR lol
He probably pledged to pay for them
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S. Lewis
“You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” ― Anne Lamott
C.S. Lewis was himself in favor of an omnipotent moral busybody called God.
@Micheal Planck true, and I thought that it was ironic to hear that coming from CS Lewis, but rejecting a true statement because of who said it is merely an Ad Hominem argumentative fallacy.
@@mikerooney7600 Nah. As we now know, the robber baron's cupidity is never satiated. Elon Musk has more money than Lewis could even conceive of and yet he still wants more.
Lewis was pretty much wrong about everything, because he was a sloppy thinker.
Makes it more clear that these anti abortion laws are based on one particular view from one religion. And it infringes on other people’s religious beliefs as well.
But gets votes for Republicans.
Yeah we need abortion otherwise there’ll be too many black ppl. Look up the history of abortion and planned parenthood in America for more information.
@Warren luckily some of us are not dumb enough to define things by their inception.
@@wolfcheese I’d agree but to this day abortion is overwhelmingly done to black people so I guess she knew what she was talking about huh. Sad ain’t it.
@@wolfcheese should be legal but rare.
Wooooow “fragile men project their own fragility onto god” is the single most eye opening thing I’ve ever heard about religion honestly it really makes me rethink the idea of being religious as a whole
Perhaps, instead of listening to a so-
What interesting, intelligent women you invited to this discussion! I would have loved to have heard more.
And the diversity was nice, too. So many other shows would have a group of white men talking about women's bodies.
She got 3 different kinds of religion to talk about it
@@henrytawnn8694 there is no diversity here. This is Judaism 1.0 , Judaism 2.0 and Judaism 3.0. I don’t see buhdhism or other religions
@@Amen.Ahmed1 interesting comment, coming from someone with a Muslim name. So I’m guessing Islam is Judaism 3.0?
@@Amen.Ahmed1 Don't worry if they had Baptist/Mormon/Pentecostal etc, then it would be Judaism 4.0+
After all most of the modern religions including Judaism/Islam are based around the dead sea scroll translations to a significant degree.
The differences grew over time as the geopolitical and social needs/wants of each religion grew apart and each new translation of the text only compounds the differences of direction each religion wishes to take.
Sam, could we have these three ladies as a recurring panel, and have them discuss all kinds of contemporary issues that concern women, religion, society etc? As a regular feature on your show? They are fabulous, they need more time and the world needs more of them! Please! They would be a bombshell success!
Yes! I would pay good money to see such a thing! 💵💵💲💲💸💸
I believe they are liars, Show me in the scripture or the Torah where I am incorrect.
@@michaelsmith2733 Are you asking to be shown where something... ISN'T written? Your choices there are to either point at a random spot on a random page, or read the entirety to be sure it doesn't appear anywhere. Don't forget to read through all existing versions if you go the second route, including the ones that require you to learn new languages.
@@michaelsmith2733 No part of the jewish religious canon forbids abortion. You won't find a single word.
@@michaelsmith2733 Numbers 5:11 bares investigation too, I believe.
And Hosea 9 has... curious things, to say, too. Mind you, mainly on, ah, infanti-cide, rather than abortion.
But even there, the women are implied to be 'made to miscarry'.
Truth - In America , when discussions center around religious freedom - it is ALWAYS, and ONLY evangelical Christians, and their particular religion .. as insincerely and hypocritically practiced ... that is at the core of such discussions (and legislation).
Can we, as a nation, please move past this oppressive, unconstitutional, and malicious deference to one religion's beliefs?
Not gonna change until that demographic stops being politically useful to politicians. White evangelicals have the favor of politicians only because the land they live on affords them outsized and unfair voting power in places like the Senate. Dirt doesn't vote but America's twisted form of democracy sure thinks it does.
Well stated...and true. Additionally, as one of the women stated in the video, "Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion". One of the ideas that's supposed to separate us from many other nations is that the laws that govern the most recognized and celebrated religion (within a given country) don't also govern the land.
As we used to say growing up in the 70s: "Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody's got one and they all stink."
It used to be considered rude to inflict ones political or psychosocial philosophy at work. Now we raise our opinions to the status of morals and our whims to the status of commandments.
This behavior is encouraged by the
Megamoney interests President Harry Truman warned us about:
"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic, political, even spiritual-is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."
Only when they are removed from power.
WASPS are gonna sting.
This group needs to meet on the regular. This was excellent!
@@davidgilde6296 🤣🤣🤣 well said
I've never seen a single episode of The View . . . but you put these four women on, and I'd watch it.
That would never happen unfortunately. Or did you mean as guests? Still probably never happen.
They don't allow thinkers on The View. The View has hosts who think racism is defined by skin color not by the racists who invented racism. "If the Jew did not exist, the anti-Semite would invent him" --Sarte
Also increasing contraceptive access and financial support for low income parents is much much more effective at reducing abortion rates than bans are. You don't need to be pro-choice to support liberal policies, you just need to be pro-things that actually work to reduce abortions.
Ah, but that's assuming the pro-choice people were actually interested in reducing abortion. I propose it's not really about the baby's souls because they don't care at all about the baby when it is born. What they are interested in is making women suffer for their "original sin" and treating them as second class humans who are property of men. That includes not letting them have abortions as well as actively ensuring the mother & any children they give birth to suffer for not having a man who earns good money there to support them.
It's the "equal but different" doctrine:
Men's job is to provide for the physical needs of the family - food, shelter, money, safety, transportation.
Women's job is to provide for the emotional needs of the family - ensure their husband is sexually satisfied, nurturing children, regulating their husband's emotions for him.
@@TheWBWoman I think this is true of lawmakers but I don’t think it’s true of all voters. I definitely think Dems should be pointing this out to voters more often
@@agilemind6241 "Regulating the husband's emotions for him?" He is a grown adult and presumably learned to regulate his own emotions as part of the maturing/growing up process.
@@agilemind6241 When I read your first phrase, it keeps reminding me of "Separate but equal" which we all know was and is implemented in real life as "separate because we don't believe you are equals". Not sure if that was what you intended but your reply did make me think.
These four ladies need their own talk show. ASAP
LOVED THIS!! I am not really religious but I would definitely watch more content with these amazing women. They have such a refined and distinguished intelligence about them that just draws you into these complex conversations. Great video!
The "anti-abortion law is against my relegion" is actually a good arguement. To pass or strikedown a law because one religious sect happens to believe one way is not separation of church and state. If the court ignores the beliefs of other religions that believe abotion should be legal because the health of the mother is more important, then that exposes their bias and they are unfit to serve as an impartial judge. They are creating law based on a minority religious belief. They become a political operative at that point.
That's not a good argument. That's called a strawman argument. Us religious people can just argue the same back, that abortion is against ours.
@@basedpuertorican4943 But by keeping abortion legal, you are not impacted in any way. You can still choose not to get one. No one is taking away your rights, but that's not the case when it's made illegal.
@@basedpuertorican4943 That’s the point.
@@xtinkerbellax3 Why free the slaves, it's not impacting you in any way if they are still slaves.
@@dougyplex Except that that abortion is not a belief of Christianity or Islam. You cannot just claim it's against religion when it's actually quite literally the opposite.
If you check out the CDC, most abortions are early in the pregnancy. Those that are mid to late term are for medical reasons. If the fetus is dead, it is extracted to spare the mother. If it is alive, and there is the barest chance of survival, they either do a caesarean or induce labor. Whichever is safest for the mother. In short, doctors do not perform late term "abortions" ever. I despise people who can't be bothered to look at the information collated by the CDC. I've had people tell me those numbers are not accurate, are lies, are made up. I hate those people more. Confirmation bias, belief perseverance, I try to be sympathetic. I don't often manage it.
Also when the mother’s at risk, but that’s also very rare
Back in the day there were very few doctors, very very few, who would do an abortion after the 10th week. I don't know why I guess maybe they thought anti-choice people would make less of a fuss if it was only 10 weeks
They believe what they want to believe, despite any and all evidence to the contrary. A dangerous way to go through life.
If the fetus is dead it's not considered abortion...
@@jannettsnow2856 By health care workers. I've had the so-called "pro life" people call it one.
What wonderful people. I like that despite being religious they get that legislating their religion is wrong
Everyone has a glass of spirit before them. Interesting…
@@balajay8921 How do you know. Pretty sure the muslim is drinking applejuice.
@@jarls5890 I live in Jordan. Plenty of Muslims imbibe in old fermented grapes. In fact, we have our own national drink here, arak, distilled Levantine spirit made of anise and grapes. Cheers! 😉
@@Buttercup697 Did not know that!
Then why follow the religion, that makes no sense. She picked these women specifically to speak out against their own religion, sad. She should’ve interviewed people who genuinely believe and actually know about there own religion to get better arguments then just people who disagree with their religion and agree with her. This is super obvious.
Amazing panel. Professional, courteous, informative and not a single sign of defensive behavior. Can these women please lead the world for us?
The world is already lead by ignorant partisan hacks who have no regard for human life. I don't think we need these gals adding to the mix.
No bc men are to fragile to see women in power
These 4 women need to become a reoccurring segment on the show!
I'm genuinely surprised by that statistic about Catholics. I attended an anti-abortion protest (one of many) that was organized by the archdiocese in the late 80s, mainly because I was like 7 or 8 and thus forced to. Once I started thinking for myself I ditched religion altogether, but my experiences made me think that a vast majority of Catholics opposed it.
I guess location and time makes all the difference. Heck, the Catholic school I attended no longer exists, so maybe they were just behind the times all along.
The right wing mind set of some of them are
*OOF!!* You actually fell for this??
These women aren't in any Churchs/Temples/Mosques.
@@TradBarbie They're in the liberal ones
@@TradBarbie actually I Googled two of them and both of them are experts in their own religions. Not sure what type of people you are around but ignorance isn't really very attractive.
@@jeremyhall2727 I suspect that Jessica is a male under the age of 25. And you know what that Bunch are like
🙂🙃
This was a great segment! Can we see an extended version?
No
This is most refreshing. Brilliant conversation. This panel should be on every week discussing such important issues. Me an active member of the church of England. Greetings from YORKSHIRE UK.
This is my favorite Sam B. episode and what's the bomb is that she had all women. The history of Abortion and the ban against it is complex. Those of us who don't want to interfere with women & sometimes their partners choice to have an abortion, regardless of the reason, understand it's a healthcare issue; health is personal when it isn't communicable. Last I checked abortion isn't a disease. Those who are anti-abortion overlook that they don't bring this same effort for the babies living in this country who need to eat, need good healthcare and a functioning education system that offers Pre-K, instead they're obsessed about the unborn who sometimes don't make it to term.
It's not a healthcare issue. The only issue is whether or not the fetus has the same rights endowed to all human beings. If you think it does have the same rights but say the mother's comfort and convenience is more important anyways then you're a monster much worse than child neglecters who all conservatives detest anyways.
@@moniquedamphousse9682 To quote the great George Carlin, these people aren't "pro-life", they're killing doctors - also, they STOP CARING ABOUT POOR BABIES AS SOON AS THEY HAVE BEEN BORN...
I’m an atheist but I would totally hang out with these women! You can still be religious and open minded!
Right!
I'm also an atheist and have the best religious conversations with my next door neighbour who is a vicar.
@@pashadyne Try telling people you're Atheist and watch people part like the waters parted for Moses. Or better yet, they start to argue with you against your own deeply held beliefs - in a way I would never DREAM of doing to someone who is religious. Or how about the disappointed, "I thought you were a nice person," I've heard that more than once.
It IS gracious of her. Better than we expect to get in return a lot of the time.
@@brentwachtertastic ooh, it does! Reminds me of Fine Young Cannibals.
i'm at the point where i feel the need to define what the word "atheist" even means to me before i use it to describe myself, just because there's so many crazy ideas out there. when i say i am an atheist, the most important thing i am saying is that *_i_* have no god. i don't worship someone just for being more powerful than i am. do i think it unlikely that zeus or thor or yahweh exists at all? yes, i do think it's unlikely. but i'm not here to tell you they don't. i just don't worship them. you do you as long as you're not burning witches at the stake.
Very informative. Thank you Ms. Bee & friends.
I think Trump paid for 5 abortions but promised to pay for 76.
@@murraythiessen8216 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If i may. When Old Conservative Voters DIE OFF due to STUPIDITY and Conspiracy propaganda from their OWN leaders, they need to FORCE population to keep creating in their own locale.
As a 75 year old non-theist Brit, women's reproductive rights are literally none of my business. And long may it stay that way.
Well done. for the opportunity to watch and hear four sensible women.
Is there an extended cut of that amazing discussion available somewhere ? 🙏🏻😊
Delightful and educational. Thanks Sam.
Right up there with Betty Bowers' work! Sometimes I wish this really was a Christian country, because a nation that followed Jesus' teachings wouldn't leave people to starve in the streets.
you should probably read your bible with a more honest and open mind.
He had some interesting ideas about being rich.
please don't vote. i beg of you.
@@clif26 You're out of luck, I even vote in the minor, local elections!
@@steveswangler6373 I'll buy some slaves next week then.
I can appreciate the Catholic perspective and feel like they could have gone deeper into how that works - like she said, the church's stance is that abortion is bad in general, but still an overwhelming majority of them support Roe v Wade regardless. Because freedom of choice means they can practice their religion how they so choose, they can choose to not get an abortion in circumstances where others might opt to get one, and they can say they made that choice for religious reasons. But that personal decision isn't a mandate on others to do the same.
Most casual Catholics aren't true Catholics. They are Protestants proclaiming Catholicism because they're Italian or Irish. They don't believe in doctrines like transubstantiation. The church's stance is 100 percent against abortion. Catholicism is NOT a democracy and never was. The church is rightfully run from the magisterium downwards. Protestant churches are defined by the laity but Catholicism isn't defined by cafeteria Catholics.
The majority of those so called “Catholics” aren’t actually practicing Catholics. They’re just culturally catholic. Ask them if they actually go to church or believe in church doctrine and they’ll all say no or have their own skewed version of teachings. That’s not how Catholicism works, either you believe in all church teachings or you don’t. There’s no choosing.
Majority of catholics support abortion? What are you smoking? You are confused and clearly are not taking any Catholics into account except for liberal catholics in America.
@@cL-bf2ug You don't need to go to church to practice any faith and still be plenty Catholic.
@@reneeroesler9944
That’s not how Catholicism works. It is a mortal sin and needs confessing if you miss Sunday mass without a valid excuse. You need to be in line with catholic teaching to be Catholic. You should not speak on things so proudly while being ignorant.
Freedom of religion means freedom FROM religion: that's the most important thing that I heard here. More people need to hear this conversation.
I loved that line as well! That answer is actually part of the citizenship test too. It's number 10 "What is freedom of religion?" The answer "You can practice any religion, or not practice a religion." Maybe people who are already citizens need to study that test too.🤣
@@zimtkind2255 : That is the phrase that should be on our money: Freedom From Religion instead of In God We Trust.
Welcome to 2022
Aborting a human life ACCEPTABLE
Street preaching UNACCEPTABLE
Excellent information, Sam. Keep up the good work. Cheers from the UK.
As an atheist, I have to point out, "atheist" doesn't mean the same thing a "secular". You should have said, "The law should be *secular* ."
Also, the Bible possibly _does_ talk about abortion, and even *prescribes* it as evidence of a wife being unfaithful. Take a look at the "ordeal of the bitter water" (Numbers 5:19-24) where, as a test of a wife's faithfulness, the priest says some words, gives the wife a potion, and if she was unfaithful, then she'll have an abortion. (Admittedly there are other interpretations of the passage, but this is certainly one of the widely held interpretations.)
That doesn't sound like a religion that should claim to be against any and all abortions, at least not if they don't want to be in conflict with their own religious texts.
However, all of that's irrelevant. The US isn't a theocracy. You don't get to impose your religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) and laws on other people. Period.
Beat me to it! I was going to mention it. When she said there isn't, I was like, I beg to differ.
Isn't it weird how us atheists and agnostics (I identify more as agnostic) seem to know more about certain parts of the text than the people that follow it? I know, it's like really super strange, huh?
@@sprybug - Yeah, well, there's a reason why Isaac Asimov once wrote, _"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."_ 😉
If you've actually read the Bible and understood it, it provides countless reasons to not believe that that deity is real.
@@sprybug She said it wasn’t in the Christian books, which probably means the New Testament parts of the Bible. Numbers is in the Old Testament.
@@ThennaryNak Isn't the Old Testament still a Christian book or no?
@@sprybug as a Wiccan it was part of my training to pick for religions to study and then pick one of them to do a deep dive into. I picked Christianity and over the years I've watched all of the scientific shows centering on judeo Christian belief and I find out that I know way more about Christianity than most of these pseudo Christians ever will.
Flawless execution! Samantha Bee and her team are literally next-level! Bravo!
yeah,,, you arent gonna see Bee do this with LGBT and an islamic guest..haha
I literally am laughing out loud at the fact you invited them to a bar. Classic joke starting line: "A Catholic, a Muslim, and a Jew walk into a bar..."
Best setup ever!
Did you catch the bar's name?
4:25 - "what I realize more and more is that fragile men project their own fragility onto god, and their god is male and does not believe in women's equality"
*YES*
I howled when she said this! Such truth!
I'd throw tantrums if was seen as the lesser gender since the beginning of history too ...no one holds it against her, whine away! 🤣🍷you know, I'm SURE thats where the use of the word "whine" to describe complaining came FROM,..when woman would be given permission to talk by their husband or harem king after work, he would FIRST wave to THEIR servant and they would say to the barmaid "whine away"! "Oh is the MRS' gonna be allowed to talk again..he doesn't NEED this whine AGAIN, give him this grain alcohol it might help". And it stuck since then. Now... The man comes in from a long hard day of work, his dutiful wife has a hard drink ready for him so she can start talking.... STILL this way in MOST good homes 🤣
@@boycottdisneyoruhatekids Huh? What in the world are you going on about? I get off of work before her most of the time, I'm capable of getting my own drink, & she's able to get her own. But I feel like you were trying to say something more than that, perhaps?
@@kevinmberry I think you got the wrong guy, I replied to op...Rob scott
Samantha Bee, WoW! In my opinion… this was the BEST video you have ever done. If there is more of this interview PLEASE SHARE IT!
This should be shown to the justices… THEN MIC 🎤 DROP!
Thank you!! 💜
This was a good one. I really enjoyed the fact that she sat down with three people of the three major religions in our world and just got straight to the facts. Way to be. ❤
This is the Sam Bee that I love so much -- not snark for snark sake, but a little bit of snark skillfully used to bring out the truths, the reasoned arguments from people who have knowledge and opinions that should be getting more attention. More like this one, please.
One-sided arguments. Slanted arguments. Unquestionably biased arguments, unchallenged by the hostess who turns what should be a serious discussion about profound matters into a pastry-sized propaganda puff piece. How does this serve the purpose of serious discussion or debate?
@@donapril2931 You're describing the Joe Rogan show.
@@havable Sadly I am describing most of the media landscape, Ms. Bee included.
@@donapril2931 Also, genius, Bee is an ACTUAL comedian, unlike Joe Rogan who is being portrayed as a comedian so that people will be okay with him saying the full n-word as if that is what a comedian's job is.
@@havable Well, first, YOU are the one who brought up Joe Rogan. I never mentioned him. As for Samantha Bee being a comedian, if you broaden the definition of that word to include the habitually unfunny, then sure. But why the "genius" remark? Why the anger?
“Pro life” is also compulsory pregnancy. Men should recuse themselves from regulating women’s bodies.
Women's bodies? You mean pregnant persons.
@@TagusMan Grow up. The amount of men who get pregnant every year is very very small. When 99.9% of the people who get pregnant are women then it's absolutely appropriate to state that men should stop regulating women's bodies. Every rule has its exceptions and it's not helpful to turn every phrase about gender into some long disclaimer which would read as:
" Men, women, people who identify as men, people who identify as women, people who are gender neutral, people who are genderqueer, people who are bigender, people who are intersex, people who are genderfluid, people born as biological men, and people born as biological women should recuse themselves from regulating intersex bodies, men's bodies, women's bodies, genderluid bodies, genderqueer bodies, bigender bodies, bigender bodies....etc, etc, etc"
That's not going to fit on a sign board. It confuses people when all that is implied by the much shorter original statement.
@@TheWBWoman Relax, keyboard warrior. I agree with you. You may want to turn on your sarcasm detector.
@@TagusMan Bazinga!
Genius phrasing. Pro life = compulsory pregnancy, indeed. Terrifying.
Conservs love "freedom," but only if it coincides with their cherry picked moralities.
"Why 15 weeks?"
That's as high as they can count?
That's Brandon's IQ.
@@wiz9496 Hurr durr! Even if that was true, he's still a 1000X smarter than the orange stain.
@@utubepunk
Is your TDS acting up again?
@@wiz9496 Ok cult-boy. Now brush your teeth and go to bed. Wouldn't want your mother to worry.
@@wiz9496 says the BDS patient.
This get together of casual conversation without judgement on serious topics with panel members from vastly different viewpoints is a hit.
Thank you for speaking to rational people.
You should start a channel
You mean delusional people?
@@meelash1 no thats you. Did women knock you back all your life? aaaaaww incel?
@@meelash1 you you mean?
I'm sure they're rational up to a point. But rationality and critical thinking certainly took a back seat when it came to them deciding that there is some invisible, all-powerful 'creator' of life and the universe.
In the complete absence of any evidence, a god is not a rational belief.
These ladies were great to hear from. I love seeing “normal” religious people. I can’t even touch the subject it’s so boring to me. Even having stage IV colorectal cancer for the last few years doesn’t make me want to be closer to any God. If anything, I try to make connections with other humans as often as possible. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything by not living my life next to a higher power. Life and science is so fascinating, I am completely occupied already.
As long as your happy. I'm spiritual but I'm all about religious freedom. Freedom is do as you please. As long as your happy; that's all that matters. Stay truth to your beliefs
@oaktree_ the ones who don't forced they're religious beliefs on you. Or look down on you for having a different belief. It's us liberal ones who the normal ones. The far right wing are the ones who want to force you to join them like a cult or they see you as evil. We say do whatever makes you happy. (Progressive religious person, that's us the left)
Hey Katie, you’re going through a really tough time. Sending a hug 🤗
@@jeremyhall2727 do as you pleased as long as you harm none
This was a really good episode. Let's face it, there is nothing more deadly than religious extremism and nothing more corrupt than organized religion.
To be anti-murdering a baby is religious extremism?? Wow.
Not all fanatics are religious. A fanatic can be any person who embraces a set of popular notions in an unquestioning way. Do you really think Samantha Bee approaches this discussion with an open mind? Read some of the truly hateful comments made on this page. Corruption and extremism don't always have a religious guise.
@@vbin9081 a fetus isn't a baby. And child birth as a form of punishment should be unconstitutional.
@@rileyknox5034 lol what? Fetus is a stage in human development. Thats like saying a puppy isnt a dog.
puppies are fetuses too at one point, they don't just spring into being fully formed.
0:59 Dude. "O'Bortion's Pub and Restaurant?" Awesome.
From a mother that just lost her only son I thank u for helping with this pain
You killed him?
I’m so sorry - may you find healing and peace ❤️🩹
I am so sorry that you had to see what that subhuman wrote. I don't know if you can still see it but I reported him. And yes I think it is a very young him and not a Jessica at all. Having said that I am so terribly sorry about your loss.
This interview has given me hope! Having three religious women speaking on this topic, stating actual facts, and basically saying that they are free to practice their religion but don’t have the right to force others to comply with their religion, is a breath of fresh air! If only more of our religious leaders were like this!
There's a TON more religious woman against abortion.
@@daveg4963 STATISTICAL FACTS WHERE??
@@davedixon2068 go to church or other religious temples. The women on this video were cherry picked to fit a narrative.
@daveg4963 they clearly stated that 68% of Catholics along were against the abortion bans, in neither Muslim or Jewish faiths are abortions banned and as she said in the case of Jews, if the mothers life is at risk an abortion is necessary so please share your peer reviewed evidence to refute their claims.
I want a full episode of these amazing women!
Same
I would also like this.
Me too, it would be really interesting
Where have you been hiding? They do have a show, it's called "The view" 🤣 there just missing a Whoopi.....oh wait, she JUST got fired for saying the Holocaust WASN'T about race...if they HURRY they can sign her up to the "view 2 - The SECOND cluck" 🤣
@@boycottdisneyoruhatekids unless you believe that Jewish people are A different race absolutely wasn't about race. And if you believe Jewish people are from a different race then you're an idiot
Love everything about this clip, and am especially appreciating the word choice of "pregnant people" to include trans/nonbinary people
Don't tell Christian conservatives that not only is abortion legal in Israel, but in many cases their Government pays for it.
In Australia it’s covered by Medicare as well.
nahhh I think they/we need to hear it! lol
it's interesting how much we probably don't know or even consider other countries' stance on this bc we're in our lil American bubble
The funny thing is...the Israeli government pays for it through US taxpayer money lol
Also, in Judaism a foetus isn't even considered a person until it has been delivered.
Just saying!
Fantastic work Sam. This was profoundly enlightening. Immediate thumbs up.
❤️
Smear campaign on Christianity. Other Religions always attack us. . No Christians were invited to defend our religion. Just one-sided biased opinions. Pretty pathetic.
@@vbin9081 Christianity attacked people for centuries and killed people around the world in God's name. Shame on you.
@@vbin9081 - The short haired lady at end was Catholic. Christanity is a form of Catholism. Your fairy tale was represented.
@@chrislaprise398 Liar. Catholics killed during the Crusades. They are not Christians. They are part of the False Religion Jesus warned us about. He said many will come im my name.. There are over 200 fake Christian religions. So, you don't know what you're talking about. NAME EACH Denomination that killed people and I will prove they are fake.
All three guests are so funny and cool. They're awesome! Well done, Sam!
"The secular state is the guarantee of religious pluralism. This apparent paradox, again, is the simplest and most elegant of political truths." - Christopher Hitchens
Great panel, well done!
On the subject of abortions, "late-term" abortions are only, ever, performed when not doing so would seriously endanger the life of the mother.
Which means that any attempt to outlaw abortion completely will simply lead to a massive increase in the number of perinatal maternal deaths.
Just saying...
This panel is cherry picked lol. You can get an abortion in California up to 24 weeks. That's at a point when according to them the unborn has a soul.
There's actual data on this, btw. And you are wrong about it... but don't let that stop you! Feel righteous!
Oh, you're a doctor? You know this for a fact?
This is "The View" (day time television series) that the world really needs right now. They were having so much fun. Their discussion is both entertaining and valuable.
Beyond the discussion of abortion, I saw women of three different faiths sit down together and find consensus. Time for the ladies to lead.
Excellent piece of work Sam!!!
I love this segment. Seeing culture and society from another viewpoint is not only refreshing but inspiring. Hopefully we can create a more egalitarian society.
That's it in a nutshell, 'freedom of religion includes freedom from religion'
I’ve been waiting for the religious infringement suit. It would be a slog & would dig up all kinds of religious tribalism. But still, curious to see how it would go if it were seriously fought.
With the current Supreme Court, it would not go well. Roe is doomed in the U.S. of A.
I know the Satanic Temple challenged the Texas bill, but I can't find any updates about it.
Who were those lawyers who argued this abortion law legal? Mi, AK, TX, etc.? There is no abortion mentioned even in the Bible. Why would I expect Catholics and RW to read their Bible? I being a Protestant have read it. Can RWers read? They just believe what their religious leader tells them? Ya the one who collects money for themselves. Any religious organization supporting a politician and party should lose thei tax exempt status.
These women are wonderful! They could be a panel of religious experts who are called on from time to time to discuss things like this.
The so called muslim was not muslim. Its obvious
@@faceman2430 It is not you who will decide on her faith. If a person says she is a Muslim and recite Shahada, that person is a Muslim.
Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “When a man calls his brother an unbeliever, it turns against at least to one of them. Either the accused is as he claimed, or else the charge will turn against him.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 5753, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 60
Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim
I wish this segment was longer! I wanted to hear more from this group.
"Fragile men project their own fragility on to God." YES. That's it exactly. 💯
I love this group of women, we need to get them together more often and have a regular discussion on important topics.
"Conservative Christianity" is a deceptive oxymoron and an abomination of desolation.
Jesus of Nazareth was ideologically further left than both Karl Marx and Peter Kropotkin.
I have said for years that religion is the abomination that causes desolation. Religion is filled with dogma, and where dogma reigns, truth cannot abide.
Yeah, Jesus was pretty cool. That's why it is so baffling to me that his fandom is just the worst
Nailed it again! 😂 Thanks for keeping me in stitches Sam..Cheers! 😘
Thank you for this humorous but thoughtful and pointed discussion. As an atheist and a father of 3 daughters, this topic could not be more important to me. Now, all four of you, please run for office in any capacity!
I'm a guy and I think it's great to hear from the gender that has to carry the child in this topic.
Yes, absolutely. I've seen a few shows where they have men on to spout their ignorance on this topic.
Gender is a social construct, or didn't uou get the memo?
@@TagusMan Cry more.
@@TagusMan "Gender is a social construct"
That hasn't stopped you from hating over half of the human race
You were SO close, these women did an amazing job of not applying specific genders to "traditional" roles ie pregnant people not women, some of the best guys I know could theoretically "carry a child" in the sense of reproduction.
I need more of these women discussing current event topics. This was so refreshing to hear.
Imagine in this modern day someone approaches you and tells you to build a giant ark to fit all the animals in the world, a man claims he talked to someone through a burning bush, your girlfriend suddenly gets pregnant and her explanation is a bright light got her pregnant. I mean… really…?
Lol!
I had a friend get into trouble because he went into a public library and put all the Bibles in the Fiction section.
Pretty sure the talking snake in the magical garden would call this heresy.
@Adam Ridama They're fun until you realize a lot of people take them literally.
@Adam Ridama "they share many of the stories with other cultures from that region."
Borrowed from Sumeria and then claimed as original...
This conversation is so important, not only for the religious questions being raised; I, as a feminist male ("thanks mum!"), believe these various challenges are an invasion of a constitutional (protection against govt. interference in our lives, not to mention a woman's right to choose.
If churches wish to exercise their mistaken right to engage in political discourse in order to effect an outcome , they must lose the economic protections they currently enjoy and be subject to property taxes among others.
This was brilliant. Thank you to Samantha and to the wonderful guests.
This should be aired as a PSA (public service announcement) on all media, all networks, over and over again, during prime time, heck air it morning noon and night.
Ya I bet your content in your echo chamber...."over an over again". That's how cults are made....just FYI.
I shared on my Facebook page
Great discussion Sam and thanks for including HBO’s The Righteous Gemstones, a hilarious satire about southern Evangelicals🙏😻
I went to Lutheran school and the greatest sin according to the teachers was, your parents not tithing enough. We actually had chart in class and your status was dependent upon that judgement by the church.
That must be the "prosperity gospel" I've heard about. You're judged by your minister's prosperity.
Thank you for saying things out-loud and thinking about those issues that seem to be a
given. Giving to what is our driving question. To all who are truly oppressed, women in all cultures are doubly oppressed. At this point what else can be said?Hands off our minds as well!
This piece is filled with far too many good points. A+
There's a reason church and state are separate. On their own they serve as pillars of government and faith respectively, but intermix the two and corruption will infect both institutions.
I could watch hours of these women and religious leaders discussing with Sam. It's so refreshing.
You go girls!!! Dare to think for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beaty and wisdom will come to you that way.