Appreciate you flagging! It absolutely is ableist language. And I'm sorry to anyone that was/is offended. I'm a DEI practitioner, but first and foremost a human, I make mistakes. And I'm doing my best to learn/unlearn from those mistakes. I grew up with this idiom being thrown around without it ever being called out as an issue. Of course, I, and I'm sure many others, now recognize the problem with this and other ableist language. I'm definitely more mindful these days and intentional about the language that I'm using (for sure more so than I was nearly 1 year ago, when I recorded this).
I have a BLIND zit on my back that I can't reach. I think I need to disrobe to get my POC partner to pop it, but before so, I need to shut my BLINDS, as the BLINDING light is shining in.
@@AdrieleParkeryou sound extremely educated, probably years of college if I had to guess. I being a white person and a small percentage of Hispanic, I have no privilege. My family has suffered years of what some would call a generational wealth gap. I really would rather you accept that not all folks are the same when it pertains to the pigment of skin. If the guy above me has an issue with “cultural appropriation” it’s because he doesn’t want to be classified and in that being labeled what you feel one “umbrella” covers all!!
Glad this video is doing numbers. It was short, sweet and highly informative. I’ve never understood the need to use this term. It always seemed like a more woke version of simply saying “minority”.
Truly! BIPOC *was* the new minority. Fortunately, I've seen/heard both being used less and less, and more people talking about specific groups/individuals.
I agree with everything here! I also avoid using using the term but mostly because I'm from Trinidad. Most countries outside of the Global North or "first world" don't typically use acronyms like "POC" because they simply have no utility here. The vast majority of Trinidad's population is non-white. Most people are either South-Asian descended or Black, along with few other ethnic minority groups. So we just refer to each group by the respective labels they generally go by. My biggest pet peeve is when people try to apply these very North American (which are already fickle, even in NA) to the rest of the world. It doesn't work.
Blacks are overly represented in current media right now. Whereas other minorities are not being represented. I would like black people to speak up for these other minorities. Here's a 2021 census data. Race and Hispanic Origin White alone, percent 75.8% Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.6% American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3% Asian alone, percent(a) 6.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent(a) 0.3% Two or More Races, percent 2.9% Hispanic or Latino, percent(b) 18.9% White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent 59.3%
Very helpful. Thank you. Came here from Twitter btw. No expectation for you to respond to this, but something I'm wondering as a white man who works among a diverse student population is what I do when I come across Black people who just straight up disagree with your thoughts here. How do I honor and respect everyone? Obviously even within our respective ethnic/cultural/spiritual backgrounds, there is lots of diversity which is a good thing! What my main takeaway from your video is that as a white person, I should work hard to avoid using acronyms that lump non-white ethnicities into a single category. Instead, when speaking to people in the context of race/ethnicity, I should simply address the person I'm speaking to or about by their preferred ethnic identity. You didn't say this, but my intuition tells me I should get comfortable with making a mistake (non-intentional) and respond to correction with appreciation and thankfulness. Do my best, and when I get it wrong, own it, apologize, thank them, and move on. I welcome your thoughts!
Hey Dylan! TH-cam had to be put on the back burner on my end for awhile, but hopefully this response still helps (7 months later haha)! You got it though. We have to look at each individual when it comes to addressing identities--it's all very personal to us. Also, we are all destined to make mistakes. I've misgendered someone before and corrected myself in the moment, apologized, and moved on. The growth comes with self-correcting (whenever you catch yourself) or being open and receptive to others correcting you (not getting defensive).
Had not considered it before: with this term we end up with society broken down into (white, black, indigenous, people of color), where white was already the majority. Even though different white communities might have specific histories, interests, or cultural distinction, a subdivision really is more pronounced for non-white communities. Makes you really think about the resulting power dynamics, and the forces that perpetuate them. Awesome, thank you.
The term "bipoc" makes no sense to as a white European living in Europe, the term can apply to me as a member of the indigenous European population. *Fyi "equity" is a form of discrimination.
Just more labeling. It’s not necessary, everyone is responsible for finding their own true identity. It isn’t about how you fit into a group but how you stand out amongst many.
To start, people that are the color white are 'people of color' too, weather you like it or not. But in the end, I just don't understand the nonsense of dividing ourselves into silly little groups. What's wrong with people just simply referring to themselves as a 'person'? Also you stated: "Unity, Empathy, and Understanding amongst non white communities is essential.." Do you see what you did there? Lol I beg you Sister, - Stop looking at 'white people' as if they have superiority over you, and simply be at peace with them. Be one with all people, yet at the same time, keep your individual sense of self (and by sense of self, I mean your own individual person, not your individual cultural background). Once you do that, you will have as much 'equity' as you can possibly have, from the Lord above. Equality and equity are not something simply given or earned from by another person, yet it's something manifested from the heart, mind and spirit. Once you know in your heart you are equal, you will be.
I believe the black community is facing a cultural problem and less active discrimination. Evidence of this can be seen through the success of Black people moving to the United States as immigrants. It’s my understanding that Nigerian Americans as a group are more successful than white Americans, and white Americans fall number 14 in median household income, with 13 minority groups making more income than white households. This would be impossible if active discrimination were being practiced. The identity politics aren’t helping anything and segregate us as a nation of Americans.
@Helicopter Dad! I’m only pointing out ethnic groups as a response to the lefts narrative that one ethnic group is oppressing another ethnic group. I personally wish the left and media would stop with the identity politics. Let me put it this way, the boxes have already been created by the left and there are some real disparities between these groups that are backed by empirical data. In a perfect world the boxes would go away, but I don’t see the left allowing that any time soon.
There's a lot to unpack here-too much for a response here. But, I'll say 2 things. 1) I'd be curious to see data that backs discrimination being "less active," because it is certainly very rampant. And 2) I'd encourage you to explore the differing experiences of discrimination when it comes to Black African-Americans (i.e., US-born descendants of African slaves) and Black immigrants (e.g., the Nigerian Americans that you mentioned). Having the privilege to *choose* to move to and work in the states as an immigrant is a very different experience and mentality than being born into the oppressive systems here as a descendent of an African slave (not chosen). Lots of Twitter discussions on this (including White people commenting on how African immigrants are better treated in their workplaces than African-Americans).
Hi @@AdrieleParker. In 2018 Nigerian Americans had a median household income of $68,658 and whites had a median household income of $67,937. We’re not talking about a small group of people, over 300,000+ Nigerian Americans. This would be 100% completely impossible in a racist country, I’ll repeat completely impossible. Did you know that unarmed white people are more likely to be shot and killed by police, the statistical data shows this but you’ll never hear about it on the news, because the news needs a story and emotion sells the story, bad news sells. The left often claims more unarmed whites are killed because there are more white people in the country, but that is statistically irrelevant, you have to look at who’s being arrested, roughly 50% white and 50% black arrest, so you would think the unarmed fatalities would be equal, but their are actually twice as many unarmed whites killed. These deaths never make it on the headline news, because no one would watch and this would make it tougher to sell advertising which means less money in their pockets. I get that racism still exist and it always will. Why? Because you will never get rid of people of low intelligence. But it’s no longer a problem like it was 50 years ago, those people are mostly dead, retired, or see their faults. We’ve elected two black presidents as a country and have affirmative action, if the media would stop pushing the racist narrative then America would be the best place in the world to be black. Did you know that western civilization was the first to have a moral objection to slavery which eventually led to the end of slavery. The world was built on slavery and the west was the first to end it. During the time of slavery in the US, it is estimated that there were actually more European slaves located in Africa than African slaves in America. Thomas Sowell references this in some of his lectures. I looked at the Twitter thread you sent over and I don’t doubt that these people have experienced these things they describe. The problem is that this is always anecdotal evidence and anecdotal evidence is dangerous. You need empirical scientific evidence. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it doesn’t account for what you are not experiencing. Example of anecdotal evidence and it flaws. Someone travels thru a small town for the first time And stops at the bank to get some money. While at the bank they witness a robbery where a man is shot and killed they then return to their hometown and tell everyone that the small town is extremely dangerous. In reality this is not true, based on empirical evidence the town has been in existence for 200 years and the murder they witnessed was the first murder in 200 years so it is actually one of the safest towns in America. Based off of the persons anecdotal experience they tell everyone it’s a dangerous place and it’s just not true. I think we all experience hard times and when they happen to a black person it’s easy to say this is because of racism and that keeps this false reality going. I myself am a 41 year old white as white male 😂. I consider myself to be attractive and come from a small town in Kentucky, where my father was an established man. I’ve been successful, but it hasn’t been easy, I’ve been fired from two jobs, been broke, etc. I couldn’t imagine having society whispering in my ear that what happened was because of my skin color. It would be devastating, and would make me want to consider giving up. I hope you see this as good news. Beware of anecdotal evidence. Rejoice the data shows that white people as a group are not racist and that America is a awesome for black people. Spread the word!
@@seventhcompactor1505, so you feel that Blacks are being adequately represented at the senior executive level within government? I don't see it this way.
Bipoc people need to have a meeting and decide what they actually want. You’re saying you don’t want to be just a person of colour but also someone should guess what culture you identify with because asking would probably also be offensive. It’s going to get to a point where white people and people of colour won’t be able to talk at all without someone getting offended. Btw. Saying white people is also just lumping so many different cultures into one without consideration.
I really relate to what you said about promoting divide. My issue is that the term is inherently based in colourism. I'm Irish and Chinese-Jamaican - although I'm visually white-passing, I only see my experience represented in 'bipoc' circles. Irish already don't get along great with the Crown. Add Chinese-Jamaican and I'm swiftly one-dropped out of white circles if I get the slightest bit political. That said, almost everyone assumes I'm 100% white on first impression (a handful have guessed correctly unprompted). I was all about the Cause, but I never knew if it was appropriate for me to join these spaces, so I didn't. Since 2015 I bottled all of it up, through all the politics and shootings and polarization, I bottled it up alone. I've been going through a lot of self-education over the last number of years, learning about NOI and Malcolm X and the following divide between Islam and Israelites, People and Folks, Love and Community - historically relevant events for any racialized male in North America. These other dudes were going down their alt-whatever rabbit holes. People looked at me like 'king-incel' from my dutty dressing as I would walk the street, but I was actually on that ADOS Reparations tip. I'm only finding out now that I could have sought support in BIPOC circles the whole ass time, because its literally both my bloodline and culture - I feel gaslit out of my own community, and I did it to myself. I clearly have some resentments to unpack, but I'm glad I know I can express myself and seek much needed support in this space - better late than never I guess...
In hindsight I really desperately need this community because nobody else understands what I'm going through inside. I need it selfishly for my own recovery, but also my paranoid side believes that if I had asserted my place in the conversation, the culture might be in a better less toxic place today. For me its not the term 'bipoc' itself, but how vague it is. Its often gate-kept by non-poc who have a poc spouse but don't know what racialization looks like beyond colourism - if you're non-visibly racialized but also have the conscience to not invade safe spaces, you literally need to have been plugged into the right vlogs at the right time in the mid 2010s in order to know you're welcome.
Excellent explanation. I agree. I reject BIPOC as well as POC 100% because they are both acronyms that reenforce white supremacy. I also reject the entire concept of assimilation as well. Assimilation - the process of taking in and fully understanding information or ideas; the absorption and integration of people, ideas, or culture into a wider society or culture; the process of becoming similar to something. I call bullshit on all of this. To be clear, all of this is the deliberated energy put into maintaining the status quo of the systemic structural inequality in America which is designed to support white supremacy. While I do understand the work of and the need therein of a Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion (DEI) Practitioner in this present time of the United States of America, the clarity provided is yet necessary. I get it. However, the conversation must shift to addressing effective strategies to dismantle and deconstruction of white supremacy, the eradication of the roots of systemic racism and the erasure problem of American Descendent of Slavery. Specificity matters.
I just wavered on it for a video title. Decided to go with it - but agree it’s confusing and definitely still based in white supremacist ideology. I’m appreciating People of the Global Majority - but it’s lonnnng.
I always find it tough to choose video titles 😅. "People of the Global Majority" is interesting! Just did a quick search to learn more-I'd never heard of it. I'm not a fan of that one either, thought. It's still lumping a bunch of folks together with ver different experiences and also feels rooted in white supremacist culture. The use of "majority" (even though correct), in my mind, still feels very "us vs. them."
I think this is a good introductory video. i really do appreciate that you added in the element of people using the term "bipoc" or "poc" when they don't wanna identify a specific group- I think this washes over the issues specific communities face (as you stated). Also loved the "people get visibly uncomfortable" part. Looking forward to more videos :)
Like....i always get so happy and open up so quickly around BIPOC peeps...but as so0n as I snap and get angry...they will start telling me to shut up u racist...when I was in that group because I am multiracial
So i started hearing the term BIPOC around 2015 or so, and at the time i had understood the acronym to mean Black and Indigenous People Of Colour, NOT what appears to be popular now, which is Black, Indigenous, and People Of Colour. Additionally, I understood it to be referring to specifically black and indigenous groups (for example african-americans, or cherokee) while intentionally excluding other people of colour (for example south east asians) because of the unique oppressions that black and indigenous people face. This was also almost always used in a canadian or american specific context, which have a specific type of (exploitative) relationship to indigenous people as former settler colonies, as well as in the american case of chattel slavery. I found this description to be at least somewhat useful in the american and canadian cases, because it outlined the clear differences between someone who, for example, immigrated to a country by choice within the last 20 years, vs. someone who was a descendant of someone who either had their land stolen from them or was brought here in chains. While obviously there is plenty of anti-immigrant racism, i think it is worth making a clarification between the two types. The american and canadian legal systems also have a different relationship with black and indigenous people, for obvious reasons. In the last few years i have seen it shift to the second definition which includes ALL non-white people, which I feel to be an almost useless term. That definition is basically the only one i see now, and i think it is unfortunate. I still think there's problems with the first definition (for example it would exclude 19th century chinese immigrants, who definitely were uniquely exploited because of their race, through head taxes etc.) but it is at least more useful than the currently more popular one. Curious if you have any thoughts!
Hey Keegan! That's interesting! I hadn't heard "Black and Indigenous People of Color"-but that also makes sense. Here's the article that I mentioned that explored the history of the term: www.nytimes.com/article/what-is-bipoc.html Since this post, I've seen/heard fewer and fewer people using the term (and I think a lot of that can be attributed to Twitter-lot's of folks have expressed their disdain for "BIPOC" there). As I mentioned, I'm not a fan of the term. I think it's important to look at all groups and understand their unique experiences, while also keeping in mind that individuals also have their unique experiences. Hope this is helpful, even if 7 months later 😅
The idea is to understand that black people are people!! We need to stop separating ourselves and state the real problem. POC is a way of hiding the fact the fact that the people from African who suffered as slaves who suffered cruel punishment for how they look. Black people = people. We are a people whose origin is from Africa
Indeed the world is comprised of people of many shades. Our broader society, however, is not aligned on "one love" and pretending like it is doesn't help dismantle systems of oppression and inequity that so many face/experience.
I have always been bothered by the term People of Colour. What exactly does it mean? its a term only used in North America and some European counties. Its limiting and decontextualizes history in many ways.
My thoughts exactly! thanks for the video. I feel uncomfortable when people use it, often for their own convenience and to sound 'aware' while glossing over thousands of years of heritage and unique injustices faced by hundreds of different ethnicities of colonised people. It's like something some white people use to make themselves feel better without having to actually do anything to value and respect other cultures (as a minimum), or to break down the colonial oppressions that their ancestors put in place
@mericanmodi8479 Has every culture been conquered by another at least once? Most likely. But when one culture conquers another, you get one of three scenarios. You either maintain distinct identities and systems and the conquered are allowed to more or less be themselves in return for something (e.g. the countries that didn't resist the Mongols), OR the conquerer assimilates in to the larger conquered population (e.g. after the Norman conquest), or you get colonisation where the conquerer may or may not make the conquered assimilate culturally into their culture, but the conquered land and people will effectively be serving the conquerer. So it's not all of he same.
I attended a corporate de&I event and quickly left bc every group had a table with literature. It reminded me of a prison cafeteria bc every little group had a separate table. You're career field is doing it wrong. If you look like pyscopaths no one is going to take you seriously
Achieve what? Being the largest group on welfare? Historically known for stealing Black people intellectual property and killing? Allowed to be mediocre and set systems in place to hold Black people back. No thanks.
Heya. I am from South Africa and come against this video as I have been working in DEI program at work. I am honestly loving the work I do but I wanted to know about if I could build a career out of the work. Thanks for sharing this
This was so helpful!! Thank you! I'm the manager of a community and specifically want to create a private space for the members that are POC. The moderators decided BIPOC was an appropriate term for the space and now I'm thinking otherwise. Do you have a suggestion as to what this private space could be called? Within the space channels can be created for all the varying identities and unique topics of conversation to diversify and not treat everyone as a monolith.
Oops! Just saw this. Hopefully you were able to sort it out. In a situation like this, I would ask the members of that space how they would like to be referenced!
The term BIPOC, while not perfect, t is practical comparatively speaking. How is what you are proposing practical? You do realize that there are a number of Asian/SE Asian communities (countries). So, per your logic/assertion, it would it be necessary to list out Laotian, Vietmanese, Cambodian, Japanese, Chinese (all Asian groups individually). So, in other words, you'd have to list out everything, e.g., Black, African American, Haitian, African Immigrant African Immigrant, Somalian, Ethiopian, Ghanian, Nigerian, Cameroonian, Kenyan, South African, Moroccan, Libyan (and all African nations), Indigenous, Cherokee Nation, Blackfeet Nation (all Native, Indigenous, First Nations Peoples, and American Indians), Mexican, Brazilian, Panamanian, Chilean, Puerto Rican, Dominican, (and all South and Latin America groups). Samoan, Native Hawaii, Marshallese, Fijian (and all Pacific Island people). Punjabi, Burmese, etc. etc. Then, under your proposal it would get even more complicated because languages. In Africa for example in many countries you are identified by the language you speak. Kenya alone has Kikuyu and several others.
@@seventhcompactor1505 right, like you erased Madagascar, Sudan, Botswana, Angola, Rwanda etc., and the millions of languages spoken in Africa and other places where people identify by language etc. Since you and the person who made the video object to the term BIPOC, then go ahead and list out ALL that are Black. Indigenous. People of Color. Be sure to do it all the time, every time, and don't erase/leave any groups out. I will continue to use BIPOC, as for now it is the best and most practical option. It is an umbrella term, and under the circumstances I am fine with it.
@@seventhcompactor1505 that is the point. You and the person who posted the video cannot come up with anything better than BIPOC. That is why when the question comes up asking what should be used instead of BIPOC, you all have no answer other than the non-answer answer: using BIPOC is bad because its erasure. I don't share your concern about BIPOC. For those of you who do, go ahead and list every group how they would want to be listed. Why are you angry with people who do not agree with you? If your position that using BIPOC is bad and you have a better way, ok. So, don't let me/others stop you---list every group all of the time---never erase and never leave any group out.
"Turning a blind eye" is ableist, just FYI
Appreciate you flagging! It absolutely is ableist language. And I'm sorry to anyone that was/is offended.
I'm a DEI practitioner, but first and foremost a human, I make mistakes. And I'm doing my best to learn/unlearn from those mistakes. I grew up with this idiom being thrown around without it ever being called out as an issue. Of course, I, and I'm sure many others, now recognize the problem with this and other ableist language. I'm definitely more mindful these days and intentional about the language that I'm using (for sure more so than I was nearly 1 year ago, when I recorded this).
Is this comment a joke?
I have a BLIND zit on my back that I can't reach. I think I need to disrobe to get my POC partner to pop it, but before so, I need to shut my BLINDS, as the BLINDING light is shining in.
@@jameshope11 I'm sure you think you're funny, but your jokes are falling on deaf ears
@@nakkadu You're right, I don't have a leg to stand on
I had to ask my white gf wtf is BIPOC 😂. People really need to stop labelling shit for cultural appropriation. And that’s coming a black man.
I've never heard anyone consider "BIPOC" cultural appropriation. I'd be curious to hear more if you don't mind sharing!
@@AdrieleParkeryou sound extremely educated, probably years of college if I had to guess. I being a white person and a small percentage of Hispanic, I have no privilege. My family has suffered years of what some would call a generational wealth gap. I really would rather you accept that not all folks are the same when it pertains to the pigment of skin. If the guy above me has an issue with “cultural appropriation” it’s because he doesn’t want to be classified and in that being labeled what you feel one “umbrella” covers all!!
Glad this video is doing numbers. It was short, sweet and highly informative.
I’ve never understood the need to use this term. It always seemed like a more woke version of simply saying “minority”.
Truly! BIPOC *was* the new minority. Fortunately, I've seen/heard both being used less and less, and more people talking about specific groups/individuals.
I agree with everything here! I also avoid using using the term but mostly because I'm from Trinidad. Most countries outside of the Global North or "first world" don't typically use acronyms like "POC" because they simply have no utility here. The vast majority of Trinidad's population is non-white. Most people are either South-Asian descended or Black, along with few other ethnic minority groups. So we just refer to each group by the respective labels they generally go by. My biggest pet peeve is when people try to apply these very North American (which are already fickle, even in NA) to the rest of the world. It doesn't work.
Blacks are overly represented in current media right now. Whereas other minorities are not being represented. I would like black people to speak up for these other minorities.
Here's a 2021 census data.
Race and Hispanic Origin
White alone, percent 75.8%
Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3%
Asian alone, percent(a) 6.1%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent(a) 0.3%
Two or More Races, percent 2.9%
Hispanic or Latino, percent(b) 18.9%
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent 59.3%
Very helpful. Thank you. Came here from Twitter btw. No expectation for you to respond to this, but something I'm wondering as a white man who works among a diverse student population is what I do when I come across Black people who just straight up disagree with your thoughts here. How do I honor and respect everyone? Obviously even within our respective ethnic/cultural/spiritual backgrounds, there is lots of diversity which is a good thing! What my main takeaway from your video is that as a white person, I should work hard to avoid using acronyms that lump non-white ethnicities into a single category. Instead, when speaking to people in the context of race/ethnicity, I should simply address the person I'm speaking to or about by their preferred ethnic identity. You didn't say this, but my intuition tells me I should get comfortable with making a mistake (non-intentional) and respond to correction with appreciation and thankfulness. Do my best, and when I get it wrong, own it, apologize, thank them, and move on. I welcome your thoughts!
Hey Dylan! TH-cam had to be put on the back burner on my end for awhile, but hopefully this response still helps (7 months later haha)!
You got it though. We have to look at each individual when it comes to addressing identities--it's all very personal to us. Also, we are all destined to make mistakes. I've misgendered someone before and corrected myself in the moment, apologized, and moved on. The growth comes with self-correcting (whenever you catch yourself) or being open and receptive to others correcting you (not getting defensive).
Had not considered it before: with this term we end up with society broken down into (white, black, indigenous, people of color), where white was already the majority. Even though different white communities might have specific histories, interests, or cultural distinction, a subdivision really is more pronounced for non-white communities. Makes you really think about the resulting power dynamics, and the forces that perpetuate them. Awesome, thank you.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
I’ve got to research the title Diversity and Inclusion practitioner!
The term "bipoc" makes no sense to as a white European living in Europe, the term can apply to me as a member of the indigenous European population.
*Fyi "equity" is a form of discrimination.
Just more labeling. It’s not necessary, everyone is responsible for finding their own true identity. It isn’t about how you fit into a group but how you stand out amongst many.
To start, people that are the color white are 'people of color' too, weather you like it or not.
But in the end, I just don't understand the nonsense of dividing ourselves into silly little groups. What's wrong with people just simply referring to themselves as a 'person'?
Also you stated:
"Unity, Empathy, and Understanding amongst non white communities is essential.." Do you see what you did there? Lol
I beg you Sister, - Stop looking at 'white people' as if they have superiority over you, and simply be at peace with them. Be one with all people, yet at the same time, keep your individual sense of self (and by sense of self, I mean your own individual person, not your individual cultural background). Once you do that, you will have as much 'equity' as you can possibly have, from the Lord above. Equality and equity are not something simply given or earned from by another person, yet it's something manifested from the heart, mind and spirit. Once you know in your heart you are equal, you will be.
I believe the black community is facing a cultural problem and less active discrimination. Evidence of this can be seen through the success of Black people moving to the United States as immigrants. It’s my understanding that Nigerian Americans as a group are more successful than white Americans, and white Americans fall number 14 in median household income, with 13 minority groups making more income than white households. This would be impossible if active discrimination were being practiced. The identity politics aren’t helping anything and segregate us as a nation of Americans.
@Helicopter Dad! I’m only pointing out ethnic groups as a response to the lefts narrative that one ethnic group is oppressing another ethnic group. I personally wish the left and media would stop with the identity politics.
Let me put it this way, the boxes have already been created by the left and there are some real disparities between these groups that are backed by empirical data. In a perfect world the boxes would go away, but I don’t see the left allowing that any time soon.
There's a lot to unpack here-too much for a response here. But, I'll say 2 things. 1) I'd be curious to see data that backs discrimination being "less active," because it is certainly very rampant. And 2) I'd encourage you to explore the differing experiences of discrimination when it comes to Black African-Americans (i.e., US-born descendants of African slaves) and Black immigrants (e.g., the Nigerian Americans that you mentioned). Having the privilege to *choose* to move to and work in the states as an immigrant is a very different experience and mentality than being born into the oppressive systems here as a descendent of an African slave (not chosen). Lots of Twitter discussions on this (including White people commenting on how African immigrants are better treated in their workplaces than African-Americans).
Here's one of those threads: twitter.com/dev_nikema/status/1469466746755043331
Hi @@AdrieleParker. In 2018 Nigerian Americans had a median household income of $68,658 and whites had a median household income of $67,937. We’re not talking about a small group of people, over 300,000+ Nigerian Americans. This would be 100% completely impossible in a racist country, I’ll repeat completely impossible.
Did you know that unarmed white people are more likely to be shot and killed by police, the statistical data shows this but you’ll never hear about it on the news, because the news needs a story and emotion sells the story, bad news sells. The left often claims more unarmed whites are killed because there are more white people in the country, but that is statistically irrelevant, you have to look at who’s being arrested, roughly 50% white and 50% black arrest, so you would think the unarmed fatalities would be equal, but their are actually twice as many unarmed whites killed. These deaths never make it on the headline news, because no one would watch and this would make it tougher to sell advertising which means less money in their pockets.
I get that racism still exist and it always will. Why? Because you will never get rid of people of low intelligence. But it’s no longer a problem like it was 50 years ago, those people are mostly dead, retired, or see their faults. We’ve elected two black presidents as a country and have affirmative action, if the media would stop pushing the racist narrative then America would be the best place in the world to be black. Did you know that western civilization was the first to have a moral objection to slavery which eventually led to the end of slavery. The world was built on slavery and the west was the first to end it. During the time of slavery in the US, it is estimated that there were actually more European slaves located in Africa than African slaves in America. Thomas Sowell references this in some of his lectures.
I looked at the Twitter thread you sent over and I don’t doubt that these people have experienced these things they describe. The problem is that this is always anecdotal evidence and anecdotal evidence is dangerous. You need empirical scientific evidence. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it doesn’t account for what you are not experiencing. Example of anecdotal evidence and it flaws. Someone travels thru a small town for the first time And stops at the bank to get some money. While at the bank they witness a robbery where a man is shot and killed they then return to their hometown and tell everyone that the small town is extremely dangerous. In reality this is not true, based on empirical evidence the town has been in existence for 200 years and the murder they witnessed was the first murder in 200 years so it is actually one of the safest towns in America. Based off of the persons anecdotal experience they tell everyone it’s a dangerous place and it’s just not true.
I think we all experience hard times and when they happen to a black person it’s easy to say this is because of racism and that keeps this false reality going. I myself am a 41 year old white as white male 😂. I consider myself to be attractive and come from a small town in Kentucky, where my father was an established man. I’ve been successful, but it hasn’t been easy, I’ve been fired from two jobs, been broke, etc. I couldn’t imagine having society whispering in my ear that what happened was because of my skin color. It would be devastating, and would make me want to consider giving up.
I hope you see this as good news. Beware of anecdotal evidence. Rejoice the data shows that white people as a group are not racist and that America is a awesome for black people. Spread the word!
It's like BIPOC tiger moms and toxic women and toxic men....they just love to abuse me for being a clueless jinx...don't they
Thank. What should I use? I'm writing on the underrepresentation of those who are not white in STEM...what word should I use?
@@seventhcompactor1505 so how do you explain the absence of black senior executives is government?
@@seventhcompactor1505 if you worked in government you would know.
@@seventhcompactor1505, so you feel that Blacks are being adequately represented at the senior executive level within government? I don't see it this way.
@@seventhcompactor1505 define obese.
@@seventhcompactor1505 you can't be real.
Cajuns don’t mind being lumped together
Interesting. Would love to hear more about this!
Bipoc people need to have a meeting and decide what they actually want. You’re saying you don’t want to be just a person of colour but also someone should guess what culture you identify with because asking would probably also be offensive. It’s going to get to a point where white people and people of colour won’t be able to talk at all without someone getting offended. Btw. Saying white people is also just lumping so many different cultures into one without consideration.
I really relate to what you said about promoting divide. My issue is that the term is inherently based in colourism. I'm Irish and Chinese-Jamaican - although I'm visually white-passing, I only see my experience represented in 'bipoc' circles. Irish already don't get along great with the Crown. Add Chinese-Jamaican and I'm swiftly one-dropped out of white circles if I get the slightest bit political.
That said, almost everyone assumes I'm 100% white on first impression (a handful have guessed correctly unprompted). I was all about the Cause, but I never knew if it was appropriate for me to join these spaces, so I didn't. Since 2015 I bottled all of it up, through all the politics and shootings and polarization, I bottled it up alone.
I've been going through a lot of self-education over the last number of years, learning about NOI and Malcolm X and the following divide between Islam and Israelites, People and Folks, Love and Community - historically relevant events for any racialized male in North America.
These other dudes were going down their alt-whatever rabbit holes. People looked at me like 'king-incel' from my dutty dressing as I would walk the street, but I was actually on that ADOS Reparations tip. I'm only finding out now that I could have sought support in BIPOC circles the whole ass time, because its literally both my bloodline and culture - I feel gaslit out of my own community, and I did it to myself.
I clearly have some resentments to unpack, but I'm glad I know I can express myself and seek much needed support in this space - better late than never I guess...
In hindsight I really desperately need this community because nobody else understands what I'm going through inside. I need it selfishly for my own recovery, but also my paranoid side believes that if I had asserted my place in the conversation, the culture might be in a better less toxic place today.
For me its not the term 'bipoc' itself, but how vague it is. Its often gate-kept by non-poc who have a poc spouse but don't know what racialization looks like beyond colourism - if you're non-visibly racialized but also have the conscience to not invade safe spaces, you literally need to have been plugged into the right vlogs at the right time in the mid 2010s in order to know you're welcome.
How is it colorism? People of color includes all non-White people.
Excellent explanation. I agree. I reject BIPOC as well as POC 100% because they are both acronyms that reenforce white supremacy. I also reject the entire concept of assimilation as well. Assimilation - the process of taking in and fully understanding information or ideas; the absorption and integration of people, ideas, or culture into a wider society or culture; the process of becoming similar to something. I call bullshit on all of this. To be clear, all of this is the deliberated energy put into maintaining the status quo of the systemic structural inequality in America which is designed to support white supremacy. While I do understand the work of and the need therein of a Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion (DEI) Practitioner in this present time of the United States of America, the clarity provided is yet necessary. I get it. However, the conversation must shift to addressing effective strategies to dismantle and deconstruction of white supremacy, the eradication of the roots of systemic racism and the erasure problem of American Descendent of Slavery. Specificity matters.
You're insane.
I just wavered on it for a video title. Decided to go with it - but agree it’s confusing and definitely still based in white supremacist ideology. I’m appreciating People of the Global Majority - but it’s lonnnng.
I always find it tough to choose video titles 😅. "People of the Global Majority" is interesting! Just did a quick search to learn more-I'd never heard of it. I'm not a fan of that one either, thought. It's still lumping a bunch of folks together with ver different experiences and also feels rooted in white supremacist culture. The use of "majority" (even though correct), in my mind, still feels very "us vs. them."
Bipoc is a slur in my book. I'm ADOS
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I thought bipoc stood for
"Bi(sexual) people of color" lmao
The very first time I heard it, that's EXACTLY what I thought 😅.
Oh....oh that is why Arcane is triggering me rn...like it is just too real
I think this is a good introductory video. i really do appreciate that you added in the element of people using the term "bipoc" or "poc" when they don't wanna identify a specific group- I think this washes over the issues specific communities face (as you stated). Also loved the "people get visibly uncomfortable" part. Looking forward to more videos :)
Appreciate you sharing your thoughts, Wesley! I'll definitely be sharing more videos and thoughts about terms and topics like this.
Like....i always get so happy and open up so quickly around BIPOC peeps...but as so0n as I snap and get angry...they will start telling me to shut up u racist...when I was in that group because I am multiracial
So i started hearing the term BIPOC around 2015 or so, and at the time i had understood the acronym to mean Black and Indigenous People Of Colour, NOT what appears to be popular now, which is Black, Indigenous, and People Of Colour. Additionally, I understood it to be referring to specifically black and indigenous groups (for example african-americans, or cherokee) while intentionally excluding other people of colour (for example south east asians) because of the unique oppressions that black and indigenous people face. This was also almost always used in a canadian or american specific context, which have a specific type of (exploitative) relationship to indigenous people as former settler colonies, as well as in the american case of chattel slavery.
I found this description to be at least somewhat useful in the american and canadian cases, because it outlined the clear differences between someone who, for example, immigrated to a country by choice within the last 20 years, vs. someone who was a descendant of someone who either had their land stolen from them or was brought here in chains. While obviously there is plenty of anti-immigrant racism, i think it is worth making a clarification between the two types. The american and canadian legal systems also have a different relationship with black and indigenous people, for obvious reasons.
In the last few years i have seen it shift to the second definition which includes ALL non-white people, which I feel to be an almost useless term. That definition is basically the only one i see now, and i think it is unfortunate. I still think there's problems with the first definition (for example it would exclude 19th century chinese immigrants, who definitely were uniquely exploited because of their race, through head taxes etc.) but it is at least more useful than the currently more popular one.
Curious if you have any thoughts!
Hey Keegan! That's interesting! I hadn't heard "Black and Indigenous People of Color"-but that also makes sense. Here's the article that I mentioned that explored the history of the term: www.nytimes.com/article/what-is-bipoc.html
Since this post, I've seen/heard fewer and fewer people using the term (and I think a lot of that can be attributed to Twitter-lot's of folks have expressed their disdain for "BIPOC" there).
As I mentioned, I'm not a fan of the term. I think it's important to look at all groups and understand their unique experiences, while also keeping in mind that individuals also have their unique experiences.
Hope this is helpful, even if 7 months later 😅
@@iannab4698 The term elevates two groups while dismissing all the others.
It sounds degrading
The idea is to understand that black people are people!! We need to stop separating ourselves and state the real problem. POC is a way of hiding the fact the fact that the people from African who suffered as slaves who suffered cruel punishment for how they look. Black people = people. We are a people whose origin is from Africa
This thinking dismisses mixed races. The world is of many shades. Beige shades & Brown shades. One love.
Indeed the world is comprised of people of many shades. Our broader society, however, is not aligned on "one love" and pretending like it is doesn't help dismantle systems of oppression and inequity that so many face/experience.
I have always been bothered by the term People of Colour. What exactly does it mean? its a term only used in North America and some European counties. Its limiting and decontextualizes history in many ways.
My thoughts exactly! thanks for the video. I feel uncomfortable when people use it, often for their own convenience and to sound 'aware' while glossing over thousands of years of heritage and unique injustices faced by hundreds of different ethnicities of colonised people. It's like something some white people use to make themselves feel better without having to actually do anything to value and respect other cultures (as a minimum), or to break down the colonial oppressions that their ancestors put in place
@mericanmodi8479 India or Sri Lanka for an example. Sure national polities change but each subcontinental culture is thousands of years old
@mericanmodi8479 Has every culture been conquered by another at least once? Most likely. But when one culture conquers another, you get one of three scenarios. You either maintain distinct identities and systems and the conquered are allowed to more or less be themselves in return for something (e.g. the countries that didn't resist the Mongols), OR the conquerer assimilates in to the larger conquered population (e.g. after the Norman conquest), or you get colonisation where the conquerer may or may not make the conquered assimilate culturally into their culture, but the conquered land and people will effectively be serving the conquerer. So it's not all of he same.
You forget about socioeconomic inequity.
Thank you, the expression will cease to exist for me from now on xx
oh, ehhh, white is a color. keep separating us, no good will come from this BS.
Ahhhhhhhh
Texans are lumped together
Are they? How so?
I attended a corporate de&I event and quickly left bc every group had a table with literature. It reminded me of a prison cafeteria bc every little group had a separate table. You're career field is doing it wrong. If you look like pyscopaths no one is going to take you seriously
Thank you so much for saying all this. The term is too simplistic.
Agreed! Way too simplistic. Appreciate the support!
Try white achievement.
Achieve what? Being the largest group on welfare? Historically known for stealing Black people intellectual property and killing? Allowed to be mediocre and set systems in place to hold Black people back. No thanks.
@@marriejames01 So, really, what's your point. ??
Heya. I am from South Africa and come against this video as I have been working in DEI program at work.
I am honestly loving the work I do but I wanted to know about if I could build a career out of the work. Thanks for sharing this
It's definitely possible! Glad I could provide some insight. Thanks for the support!
This was so helpful!! Thank you! I'm the manager of a community and specifically want to create a private space for the members that are POC. The moderators decided BIPOC was an appropriate term for the space and now I'm thinking otherwise. Do you have a suggestion as to what this private space could be called? Within the space channels can be created for all the varying identities and unique topics of conversation to diversify and not treat everyone as a monolith.
Oops! Just saw this. Hopefully you were able to sort it out. In a situation like this, I would ask the members of that space how they would like to be referenced!
The term BIPOC, while not perfect, t is practical comparatively speaking. How is what you are proposing practical? You do realize that there are a number of Asian/SE Asian communities (countries). So, per your logic/assertion, it would it be necessary to list out Laotian, Vietmanese, Cambodian, Japanese, Chinese (all Asian groups individually). So, in other words, you'd have to list out everything, e.g., Black, African American, Haitian, African Immigrant African Immigrant, Somalian, Ethiopian, Ghanian, Nigerian, Cameroonian, Kenyan, South African, Moroccan, Libyan (and all African nations), Indigenous, Cherokee Nation, Blackfeet Nation (all Native, Indigenous, First Nations Peoples, and American Indians), Mexican, Brazilian, Panamanian, Chilean, Puerto Rican, Dominican, (and all South and Latin America groups). Samoan, Native Hawaii, Marshallese, Fijian (and all Pacific Island people). Punjabi, Burmese, etc. etc. Then, under your proposal it would get even more complicated because languages. In Africa for example in many countries you are identified by the language you speak. Kenya alone has Kikuyu and several others.
@@seventhcompactor1505 right, like you erased Madagascar, Sudan, Botswana, Angola, Rwanda etc., and the millions of languages spoken in Africa and other places where people identify by language etc. Since you and the person who made the video object to the term BIPOC, then go ahead and list out ALL that are Black. Indigenous. People of Color. Be sure to do it all the time, every time, and don't erase/leave any groups out.
I will continue to use BIPOC, as for now it is the best and most practical option. It is an umbrella term, and under the circumstances I am fine with it.
@@seventhcompactor1505 that is the point. You and the person who posted the video cannot come up with anything better than BIPOC. That is why when the question comes up asking what should be used instead of BIPOC, you all have no answer other than the non-answer answer: using BIPOC is bad because its erasure. I don't share your concern about BIPOC. For those of you who do, go ahead and list every group how they would want to be listed. Why are you angry with people who do not agree with you? If your position that using BIPOC is bad and you have a better way, ok. So, don't let me/others stop you---list every group all of the time---never erase and never leave any group out.