Actually, I think it's one of the best things that could happen to cinema. Hollywood is notorious for trying to copy a success and tack on uneccesary sequels. It'd be a tragedy if this film was successful because there would be so many terrible replications of this film.
George Daugherty No I think it's a tragedy. While what you say is certainly true, the other result of the box office failure and more likely the more prominent one, os that true artists like deni villneuve won't be allowed to take creative risks with big blockbuster movies like this one. 2049 really was an expression of pure artistic talent and integrity and it was certainly helped by the large budget provided by the studio. But now they might not take the risk to let an artist like DV create their vision because it doesn't conform to market analysis. And that is the true tragedy.
The philosophy of Blade Runner, which is extended into 2049, is summed up for me in Roy's "tears in the rain" monologue at the end of the first film. He's saying that it doesn't matter whether you're human or replicant, it's your experiences which make you who and what you are. If you live a human life, you are as human as a human, even if you're a replicant. You can see on Deckard's face that he grasps this at this point, and realises what he has been doing - not "retiring" replicants, but killing human beings who have all "seen things you people wouldn't believe". It is this speech, and Roy showing how human he is by saving and then sparing Deckard, which makes Deckard realise that it's ok to love Rachel, because she is as human as he is. And that's why he goes back for her. This theme is just explored from different angles in 2049 to add even more layers and facets to this. It was a sequel that really needed to be made, and I absolutely love what they did with it. The only regrettable part about both films is that Philip K Dick didn't live to see either of them.
We are imperfect machines that many times strive for "improvement" the illusion of perfection. but most always end up with unintended consequences in our quest for that illusion.
@David Parks there will always be unintended consequences when you enter any uncharted territory, human beings in general are not very rational thinkers, we are prone to mistakes. there is always a double edge sword. we are not very good at wain in the cost benefit a small mistake can be very costly. good point!
The purpose behind Ks storyline was to say even though you might not be the "one" or percieved as special, you can still find purpose in a goal, setting objectives and completing them to further your passions are what makes your life worth it to you
I disagree. I think it was when K was physically beaten and stared at a giant hologram of Joi. He knew that no matter how large Joi can be she is just a hologram that anyone can buy. She is an example of consumerism, an iphone, a PS5, Pornhub. Even the hologram Joi said, "You look lonely, I can fix that." K then realized she was truly not authentic so even her memory stick getting crushed didn't matter as Joi was not real to begin with.
I feel like I’m in the minority who loved this film’s lack of information beforehand. I went in genuinely blind to the plot points and would say it’s my favourite film this year. I wonder how ticket sales are currently doing?
There are some of us. I try to completely avoid the hype before a movie I really want to see. I don't watch interviews, reviews etc. anyway. I love it that I knew nothing except the name of the movie.
I am also one who likes just enough info from a trailer for me to get an idea. A trailer should be like reading the back of a book you are wanting to buy. Now days I end up getting far too much from a trailer to enjoy the movie. Well most movies I don't enjoy due to the lack luster story telling people do these days. Everything seems to be treated like an action film.
There's no problem with them. But it won't take years for people to notice the sequel, as everyone new about it on release and it received nearly unanimous praise. It didn't bomb at the box office, just performed below expectations so it's already been a success
blade runner 2049 was one of the best movies ive ever seen. certainly the best sequel ever made. idk if its just me, but i fucking love the blade runner universe on a personal level so much. I literally see the rain and the dark neon city and feel connected to the atmosphere, almost as if Ive actually been there. Ive never felt this feeling so strongly with any other movie.
SUPREME LATITUDE I think the retro aesthetic of the future reminds of a better future in contrast to the one in real life despite the slight corporate corruption. We have way more problems, most of them meaningless and annoying in our everyday lives.
SUPREME LATITUDE For instance, people argue over shit like neutral bathrooms and how blacks or Jews might cause problems in Western society instead of whether we should clone ourselves or how to explore nanotech, space exploration or virtual reality.
@zebble ganubi ahah yeah ik! @mr beist fr u r right. I was astonished at how many box office hits this got over that shit movie Happy Death Day, all my friends thought happy death day was awesome, why don't ppl appreciate good movies?
It fits in well with all that stuff made in the early-mid 70's It however is completely out of step with modern sensibilities - Den' made a Hipster Movie and that is why it failed - it "Might" pick up fans long term - it might not. It probably as likely to be completely forgotten about as Ready Player One is likely going to be. Also it's interesting to note that they reverse can happen too you can make loads of money and be forgotten about too - I.e. Avatar is pretty much forgotten about. I'm not sure what there is to latch on to in this movie other than visuals (and that is likely true about the original too) If it was a Genre of Music it would be Improvisational Jazz. Some people get very immersed in that others are bored to tears and find it discordant and annoying. I do think for me the time the Movie annoyed me slightly trumps the times the Movie was visually engaging - I also STRONGLY disliked almost the entire last 3rd of the Movie. I don't know if i'd call the movie Controversial - as I think it really just passed with little remark and many people likely don't even know it exists at all (any more than they do 'Soldier' does). A slight shame - I will however neither decry or champion the Movie - I'll let time decide.
In my heart, I feel that 2049 was a complete modern masterpiece of sci-fi cinema. Not only did it completely capture the feel and universe of the original accurately, it felt much deeper into the personal questions of what is real and what is love. In fact, after the “VR sex” scene between the two where she needed to use a proditutes’ body in order for him to “feel” her, it blew my mind. It gave me a totally different perspective on the capabilities an possibilities of cross-oner between VR and reality a future where things are not clearly black and white but where love can even transcend reality itself. It was a profound feeling. Selfless love was expressed in several ways in this movie. But one of the guiding points I think was if selfless love can exist that isn’t “real” does its realness really matter when the love itself was self-less? Aghh.. How to word that…. I’m confused still by some of it. But I think that’s the hallmark of a truly great movie, something that can actually invoke confusion and conflict into the feelings of the viewer and doesn’t hand over the answers but lets the viewer reach their own conclusions in a way that feels profound. Very few movies have ever done this in my book. For me, it makes 2049 a legend, a landmark piece of cinema. The best things in life are usually the most undervalued things. This Is not exempted.. but a perfect exemplar of that.
@David Parks robot can't feel love it doesn't have a heart just like the o.p referred to ,what is all this mental masturbation people have about this film. imo it was drawn out self-indulgent waffle that raises a heap of questions but only answers a few,not satisfying, mostly just Gosling staring at something or someone with the same expression, for me it was watchable but not a masterpiece and did not do the original justice
Yes, but I think that you miss the fact that the VR girl probably never existed. It was left very doubtful that the VR girl experienced anything or did anything other than what Joe would have expected of a 'Best Girl'. The prostitute tells Joi that "there is nothing really in here". And it's not answered whether Joi actually was sentient or had feelings or had made choices and was not just in fact a well-designed chat bot. If Joi had no sentience, then nothing she did was self-less. There was no self to sacrifice.
When my dad turned on the tv and said this is what we are watching I was like “Blade runner? What the hell is Blade runner?” Now it is one of my favourite films ever
@@AlwaysBonpoint I watched in theaters when it released and I was so confused the entire time. I decided to rewatch it and the original and I love them both.
@GIT GUD Traditionally, the masses prefer the mundane, like McDonalds is one of the most successful restaurants of all time. The exact opposite of a master restaurant. Masterpieces are almost universally misunderstood and criticized until some meme starts to catch on. Blade Runner was a box office flop too, but it was one of the greatest influences in science fiction of all time, and is now hailed as one of the greatest movies of all time. It's entirely possible that 2049 will have a similar status in time. I think Mr AtZ has it just right.
@GIT GUD What nonsense. Just look at the crap the masses validate. (Not that all the individuals had all bad taste, but their tastes differ so much that the lowest common denominator becomes product most widely spread).
Seeing this movie in IMAX was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. We turned around and saw it in 3D and walked out in disgust. IMAX was MADE for this movie.
call me crazy i dont to this day think that 2049 is a blade runner movie its not a scifi noir at all it doesnt feel the same . its like too clean too artificial like a copy of a copy an emulation if you will that doesnt mean that its bad . its amazing but not a blade runner movie (i think akira or gemini rue are) imo
I’m kind of okay with the box office bomb because it’ll mean no tacked on sequels. Like the director said. It’s not about making it a box office success but making it a success to the people who view it, no matter how big or small. I loved 2049 and it was a success for me on a personal level. Just like how the Original Blade Runner wasn’t a box office hit but it influenced science fiction for years to come.
well said... and blade runner 2049 isn't trying to make a sequel. It is, in its own way a movie. It doesn't cash on its predecessor(like every mother fucking F&F movie) but continues its question-making and that's a good thing. if there are box office bombs like this, studios doubt the quality of movie and go with the quantity of cash it can generate and that's very bad thing.
i could agree with you, because idc about the success of a movie. But the problem is that if this movies (movies that take risks and challenge you) dont get the attention and money that they deserve, people will give them less attention and support or even worse: stop making them . Thats the problem :(
Jay from red letter media brought up an amazing point, that if Deckard wasn't in the trailer, the reveal would've been absolutely fantastic. Yet him being marketed in the film was one of the only ways to get certain butts in seats sadly. I really wish this movie was a box office smash cause it was near perfect in my eye. Denis Villeneuve is creating yearly amazing films so I hope it never stops.
24 Frames Of Nick he wasn't just in the trailer, he was on the posters too and was promoting the movie. I think it was a bad idea. Even people going because of the Harrison Ford would be disappointed by how little he was in it. It would have been like putting Mark Hamill all over the ads for TFA.
Denis is the man. And I agree with Jay. I think that if Ragnorak would've kept the "fight scene" a secret that would've been one of the most insane reveals of 2017
Joi is one of my favorite characters in the movie. At first she does come off as a bit artificial and superficial but as the movie progresses there is that apparent desire for her to become more real. I love the scene when he brings her along in his flying car and the look on her face is like a child on a ride at Disney world. If it is a lie it is what Mark Twain said: "The best lie is the sincere lie," and this is the lie that certain characters happen to believe themselves even if they are not completely convinced what they are hearing and seeing is the truth.
The love leaves open the question of whether Joi existed at all, or was simply a projection of what Joe would have wanted in a companion. It's quite possible that Joe and Joi having a relationship was entirely a lie.
@@celebrim1 Interesting point, but keep in mind something artificial that is designed to be a submissive entity might have difficulty expressing itself as a real human might. Joi does try to go beyond what we might think a artificial girl might, but again you may be right about it being a lie, but is it? Keep in mind Joe himself may not be allowed a girlfriend because he's an android and Joi is as close as he can get.
@@schizoidboy Think if you met someone who during their upbringing was taught that if you want a partner, you should become what they want. You enter a relationship with this person not knowing that, to you it just seems like you two get along really well and what luck you like all the same things. Is that not a real relationship? So JOI is meant to adapt to a person and make them happy. That desire to make you happy was programmed into her, but in a similar way someone who is a 'people pleaser' has been programmed by genetics and upbringing. But if she can 'feel' disappointment when you are unhappy, when she comes up with plans on how to progress your relationship, when she goes against the law and sacrifices herself for you, she at least seems to be a sapient being, even if her cornerstone motive wasn't something she got to choose in a vacuum.
@@Waywardpaladin Perhaps the question is whether a sentient AI can have/develop feelings. Is Joi sentient? Could she validly pass the Turing test? Is the Turing test truly capable of determining sentience?
@@alanparsonsfan In AI research they are working on teaching programs analogs for 'pain' and 'shame' to motivate them to avoid mistakes, so we will see where that goes :p
I've always said it: Joi is real. She asked K to take her with him even when he didn't want to put her on risk. And when his ship was taken down, her reaction was emotional: she cried and tried to wake him up, even though he was unconscious at that moment. Everybody talks about the billboard hologram scene and how it means that K just realizes that Joi was fake all the time, but to me it is the moment he realizes she was different all the time.
Agree 100%. Many think the big advertisement is a gutpunch because K sees she was just a program, but I see it as the nature/nurture impact on all life. That we all start with some set of code and while that provides a base, it is the experiences we collect further define us. So Joi started as this mass produced base program, as the advertisement shows, but the particular Joi we see throuhout the film gets more and more individual making decisions that wouldn't make sense if she was just following some inherent programming. The relationship of Joi and K feels like the next big question after the first movie's question on Deckard and Rachel (and handled far better than that first movie as well.)
A B Exactly. It makes you wonder if Joi made K human or the other way around. One thing is indisputable: not K, or Joi or Rachel were mere artificial products. They developed a “soul” through human contact. They were able to feel affection and pain.
Give me total directive control over a nigh sentient ai bound to serve a man and I will give something realer than what most of what is more naturally common
theres the hooker who says that there isnt much inside joi's head, the billboard scene and a few other hints here and there, but i still have a feeling she advanced past her basic programming. its just typical bladerunner. they are trying to get you thinking so you have something to argue about for the next 20 years until the next movie comes out
Carlos Arias But honestly is she really sentient? Because I think no one addresses the fact that she can't leave by her own will, so she is a slave in a way.
Saddly Interestellar ending sucked ass (the original ending from the script was basically replaced by a family friendly one, because money) But yeah, it could have easily earned its spot as a sci fi classic if not for that
+Gravel Not complaining about the tesseract scene if you paid any attention at all. It's the outcome that wasn't supposed to be like this. After interating with the Tesseract and sending the message to his daughter, Cooper should have died in space (as he would in any realistic script), not knowing whether Murphy has been able to figure out his theory or not. I'm complaining about the "Space rangers rescued you" bullshit, which is just plain lazy writing to reduce the movie's classification in order to sell it to a wider audience - which wasn't Nolan's plan with the movie's direction in the first place. If THAT was altered, then yeah, it would definitely be a classic... Oh, and btw, there's no such thing as a "flawless film".
exact same here. this movie and interstellar are my favourite from the last decade and if they didnt exist all my favourite movies would be from a long long time ago. its a shame they are so rare these days
roberto. first ive heard of that. very interesting and i like the sound of that even though i really enjoyed it the was it is. i wonder if thats something that could be easily fixed? *goes to search for fan edits
@lawerence sensei Try watching Silence it's a movie that had be so entranzed the whole time and some of the best acting and cinmatography I have ever seen.
Agreed. And I didn't remotely mind that the trailers barely told you anything. It allowed you to go in with a fresh mind and just enjoy having the story told to you. It was an outstanding story and visually stunning. Every shot had purpose. Bravo.
Using Frodo as a typical hero is an interesting choice when Frodo is very small, the author, JRR Tolkien, was wanting to show that superficial qualities are not relevant in determining someone's value.
Exactly, the whole point of Frodo being the "hero" is that anyone can be a hero, as there was nothing unique or special about him except that he's a little braver and more adventurous than your average hobbit.
@@glowerworm Nope, being a good person isn't a superpower/ability a select few people are born with, it is something that everyone can become, no matter their background. Also, I can tell your not a big Tolkien fan because you would remember that Frodo DID give in to the rings influence and gollum bit of his finger at mount doom and fell into the lava. There also were numerous times throughout the story when Frodo was overly protective of the ring.
@@bradleywoods3742 yes, Frodo gave in to the ring's influence. But it took a long time for his will to break. Compare that to any one else, some of whom attempted to steal the ring after just *looking* at it. I didn't say Frodo was immune to the Ring's influence. He was strong against it, though. And it's not because he was a good person, but because he had a strong will. Aragorn and Gandalf were good people and even they didn't trust themselves to ever hold the ring. It has to do with willpower, not goodness. People are good through their actions. Resisting the ring requires willpower. Different things.
@@glowerworm This is a misreading imo, Frodo was able to withstand the ring precisely because he wasn't special, the trick to the ring's power was corruption, those who were greater gave the ring more to work with, Frodo was able to resist because there wasn't anything to work with, he had no desire for greatness, and wasn't meant for it the way that Aragorn, or Gandalf or Galadriel were. They were all powerful beings who had a war to fight against evil, Frodo just wanted to go home to his friends, and for them to be ok. That's not something that can be corrupted the way the others could, and it's not something that could be solved by becoming a huge power.
Blade Runner 2049 was the best movie I've ever seen in my life. It was a success in my heart, screw the box office numbers, the art is all that matters and Denis even says that he makes movies not for the money but the love for the art form.
Just found out Joi's commercial literally says "Everything you want to hear", maybe that's why K said "You don't have to say that" when Joi tells him she loves him? But I'm still convinced that their relationship is authentic.
I guess that's just part of the beauty of the whole idea: there is no definitive answer. For me, I felt like the part where the ad says "Everything you want to hear" and "Everything you want to see" was evidence that Joi was nothing more than programming, but one can just as easily make an argument that she moved beyond her programming when she consents to being moved to her emanator and losing one of her most secure lifelines. And to K, does it matter?
Ah, perhaps I was a bit vague on that. By that, I meant does it matter to K whether or not she really felt any "feelings" for him - whether what she did was programmed or her own, independent decision. On that topic, I'm not sure whether it matters to K. On one hand, the end result is the same for him. On the other, though, we can clearly see that he's not sure what to think about it once he sees the massive Joi hologram - he'd rather not find out the answer, in fear that it would not be the answer he wanted.
I was a bit puzzled as to why K was so transfixed by the holographic advert for Joi, it's not like he wouldn't have seen the same sort of advertising before he bought his copy.
Great points. To me the absolute heart of the film, its themes that you touched on here, and the 'is Deckard a Replicant?' debate are all perfectly crystallised in my favourite moment in the film: In Las Vegas, when K asks Deckard if his dog is real (the almost reflex preoccupation everyone has in both films whenever an animal is present), and Deckard shrugs and says he doesn't know, 'ask him'. He implies in that moment that it doesn't matter, it's the wrong question to ask, and how the dog thinks and feels about himself is more important than how he was created. That to me is the answer to whether Deckard is 'real', or K, or Joi. *shrug* I don't know. Ask them.
2049 is without a doubt the single most BEAUTIFUL film I have ever seen. Cinematic perfection, every department knew the task. Denis communicates his vision so passionately you feel it. This feeling brings out the best in everyone imo.
something that has stuck with me that the original Blade Runner taught me that was really explored in the sequel which made me love it is that if you yourself are not sure whether or not you are authentic to the point where it haunts you and you worry over it doesn't that in of itself show some degree of authenticity? And even if you are human and don't worry about it at all doesn't that lack of curiosity make you less authentic? How real are you really if you are never truly sincere or at least try to be? These questions are what makes me love both films
The main character is the character you're meant to identify/empathize with. If that's not k than i must have been watching a different film. I thought the story between K and Joi was beautiful in a tragic sort of way.
This movie is the antedote to the corruption of post-modernism...even when finding out that your life has no real purpose, you make the time you have meaningful, by doing responsible things...life has no meaning, but responsibility does, and responsibility is hard because true meaning is never cheap. Do not look to the Universe to give you purpose, take your meaning from the Universe by taking on responsibilities, the only way to live a purposeful life.
Mark McAllister Its funny that your statement contradicts itself when you talk on the corruption of post modernism, explaining your views on the world, which is post modern. Those who are post modernists don't believe in absolutes, therefore, what you say is not absolute. It would have been more appropriate if you said this in a subjective way instead of objective.
It speaks volumes that, for me at least, the death of an AI was the most affecting moment in the film. Holy crap Luv is brutal. And the fact that she dies like a real person because she wanted to be a real person and live a real life? Denis, you’re amazing.
Here's a question to ponder. Is Joi's desire to go out into the world via the portable hologram device an aspect of her will, or is it a desire programmed into her to get Joi owners to buy the device? As for the box office of the film, I think in the long run it will be deemed a success because 30 years from now people will still be watching and talking about it. I don't think the same can be said for most blockbusters, regardless of how much money they pull in.
The emanator opens a world for Joi that I doubt many Jois get to experience, though it certainly is possible that her "cabin fever" was a ploy to pressure K into an upgrade.
I asked this very same question myself. Lets take it even further though, could there be some sort of planned / promoted obsolescence built into Joi’s programming? With the ability to take Joi with you anywhere on a device that can easily get lost, stolen or broken combined with Joi’s request for K to tear her from her home console, couldn’t Wallace Co plan on people desperate enough to buy their products to get a taste and hook them and get them dependent on the experience Joi provides? It would definitely mean more business / profit for Wallace.
cholesterolkilla Hard to tell....I'm not sure most Joi owners are encouraged to delete their virtual girlfriends from the home consoles...but the fragility of the emanators certainly guarantee a high demand for replacements.
Art should never be judged on how much money it makes. It has everything to do with how it makes you feel. This film is so beautiful, and has every major creative involved working at the peak of their powers. In time it will be seen as the classic it is, and a brilliant addition to the original story.
Ive watched this movie over 50 times since its release. It’s my favorite movie of all time, and in my opinion the greatest sequel of all time. It’s a beautiful movie with an even more beautiful message. Every performance was masterfully acted to point where it doesn’t even feel like it’s an act at all. The cinematography is the best I’ve ever seen. Truly one of the greatest movies ever made.
Seen the film 3 times, planning to see a fourth. Obviously you can tell I hated it... Anyways, I’d like to think that K is the main character but the story revolved more around Deckard and Racheal. Like you boldly stated how he’s a slave based on who and what he is, but once the opportunity arises on the possibility of being something more, he gains hope from that. Him at one point believing that he could be that Replicant-born child. However, once he discovers it’s a lie, he loses that hope and he’s right back where he was at the beginning of the film. But due to the relationship of him and Joi (which I believe she was becoming sentient, since her last words were “I love you” before she dies), he makes that decision to save Deckard HIMSELF. That decision was special and it pays off since “dying for the right cause is the most human thing we can do”. By reuniting a father to his daughter. Nothing super duper extremely big where he saves the world, but a simple cause such as that. Dying in the snow meant he was at peace within himself, and he accepts it. I like to think the film was about K discovering his humanity. Except that moment won’t be lost in time like tears in rain, but will be remembered by Deckard, which is another form of a meaningful existence.
I believe joi was sentient because she behaved as if she loved him when he was unconcious. I didn't like the way ford took over the picture once he started and would have preferred K remained the focus. K doesn't have to the chosen one to be the protagonist. But it is irritating when the protagonist for 2/3 of the film is shoved aside for the big name star. Ford essentially became the protagonist. They did the same thing with him in TFA. On star wars main trilogy of trilogies-- it *was* the story of the skywalker clan and how they balanced the force. What they did at the end of TFA and in the beginning of TLJ was a complete canon reboot. It would be akin to reading a book for 30 chapters and then in the last 10 chapters they kill all the existing protagonists and their antagonists, dumped all the philosophical concepts the story was previously exploring, even dumped the existing "rules of the universe established for the prior 30 chapters", and finished the story with new protagonists, antagonists, new philosophy, and new ground rules for the universe. It would be like if in book 6 of harry potter, *everyone* died including voldemort and the last story was about the characters from the french school making a new technological bomb. it would have been better to set this story as *not* part of the trilogy, much further in the future. Don't say you are going to finish the trilogy to get fan's money and then reboot it.
i got the same feeling there was definitely a bit more to joi even though they hinted multiple times that she was just some bot that had been programmed. the last big reveal is where the huge joi hologram on the street calls k a "good joe". that doesnt really mean she wasnt sentient, just that they start off programmed the same but she still might be capable of having her own thoughts at some point. something else ive been thinking about; she seemed to get the concept of the replicants being able to reproduce without having it explained to her. this wouldnt have been anything she was programmed to know about since the people who programmed her would not have known it was possible at the time. but i suppose if she was a really advanced ai then that might explain it
zebble ganubi Well they also had on the joi billboard "everything you want to see, everything you want to hear." She was perfect for K because I believe she was designed to be perfect for any consumer. I think we just need more info because who's to say that she wouldnt be in absolute love with an evil abusive owner.
I remember being really moved by the last minute or so in Blade Runner 2049, but I couldn't figure out why. All I can do is wait a couple months and watch it again. This is truly the best movie of 2017, and maybe for a few years to come.
I couldn't wait to move to the exit. Loss aversion for paying for an Imax ticket I guess. I noticed many in the audience didn't have the same aversion.
Same reaction as you, here. The first time around, I felt something about the movie resonated deeply with me, but couldn't quite tell what. In subsequent views, I was able to form my understanding of the story and catch meanings, metaphors and aims. Blade Runner 2049 is thoughtful on many levels, it offers multiple layers of interpretation, and yet the plot manages to be round, concluded and coherent. The other reason that drew me to the movies three times (with a fourth scheduled for the end of the month) is the audio. I don't have an home theater yet, but can't imagine this film played on anything less than an expensive Dolby Atmos system. Wallfisch and Zimmer's score can't quite stand on its own like the legendary one from Vangelis, but as a complement to this particular movie it's just perfect. It adds a raw kind of power that honestly, I had never experienced before at the movies, let alone a tiny room. I have no regrets paying for another ticket for this reason alone.
"And dreadfully distinct against the dark, a tall white fountain played." This reference Nabokov's Pale Fire is a perfect depiction of the question of authenticity--of fate--in Bladerunner.
Excellent analysis. I especially appreciate that you draw the same connection between Joi and K as with the Deckard question. Yes Joi is an AI, yes she was programmed to be the girl K wants her to be, but speaking for myself I felt something when Joi was killed by Luv. No matter how artificial it may have been, what Joi and K had felt real. So if you have to ask if it was real, does it really matter if it was or not?
Man I LOVED this movie so much. This video made me appreciate the movie that much more too. Denis Villenueve is one of the best directors working today. Dude hasn't had a misfire yet. Blade Runner 2049 proves just how talented he is.
Yeah, so far I've seen 3 of his movies, and all 3 have stuck with me long after viewing. After Arrival, I basically decided I'll watch anything he makes.
5:51 The question about Deckard is not whether he's a replicant, nor "whether it matters"; the question is whether he's human. This is a question that is explored in both movies.
The fact it didn't do spectacularly in todays Hollywood fast food special effect machine climate is the absolute ultimate accolade. A beautiful and thought provoking film that continued seamlessly from the original. Most moronic cinema goers want easy to follow plots with all the answers immediately but this classic film serves up long term gratification, leaves the viewer with more questions than answers and is an absolute modern classic. Incomparable to anything contemporary in the sci fi genre and outside. The whole film is littered with philosophical beauty following the originals prose. Utterly love this film, the cast, the director, the pace and the beautiful imagery. Totally amazing....
1:54 - Exactly. In other words, they didn't sell out, and it shows! This movie was pure art and fantastic and was such an amazing breath of fresh air to modern movie making. So great.
I loved this movie! I like the original, but I think this one is far better! This will probably end up on many best sequels of all time lists. Great movie
I thought you were going to talk about how Joi points to K and calls him Joe towards the end... to me it seemed like Joi WAS just an A.I. as much as I would like their love to be real.. that's just my take (:
This is the best video I've seen that asks what I wanted to ask but couldn't find it for some reason. This film made me feel such surprising feelings I've not gotten from a film since "Grave of the Fireflies." I left this film feeling empty yet somehow glad I was empty. Really unusual and a sign of great art
Still the best movie of the year for me. I love films that can have lots of completely different meanings depending on who is watching. In that sense the questions a film like Blade Runner 2049 raises are far more important than any hard answers it provides. The discussions it provokes force us to take a good look at ourselves and the world around us. Isn't that really what all great art is meant to do?
I liked it so much when the twist revealed. He's the main character that we see but he's not 'the one', and his decision afterward is his own decision. it's kinda soothing and reassuring to have this kind of character sometimes 😊
Bladerunner has influenced me in my life in many ways, I lived part of my childhood in Hong Kong and feel a real connection to this world. So glad 2049 met my expectations.
For me both Blade Runner films were portals to thinking and feeling novel things. I thoroughly enjoyed the new movie, not because it gave answers to questions or was simply well made, but because it forced me to think about anything and everything. It made me look deeply into the film's world, and consequently how I look at my own world. Truly one of my favorite movies. And thank you for the insightful analysis, I always love listening to what you have to say.
Good analysis. 1. In the original Blade Runner, Deckard hunts the replicants as if they were a malfunctioning machine. In the end he is shown that the replicant Batty has human characteristics: he showed him pity, empathy, compassion and mercy. Yes, he also showed him anger, and hostility but in the end when he knew he was dying, he decided to save Deckard. 2. In the sequel, K aka "Joe" like Batty saves Deckard. But this time the replicant saves him not out of pity or mercy, he does so out of a deliberate choice to some higher ideal and goal. 3. Finally, the original film while it clearly has influenced a generation of directors and many film fans, was also not a box office hit and in fact viewed as a disappointment. It simply isn't a film that was meant for everyone. The pacing is very slow, almost glacial at times, in the painstaking way bits of evidence are examined and re-examined. Here, we get lot of long beautiful shots of how much a wreck the world has become. It is not a world we yearn to live in, but rather a pretty terrible place that someone people, replicant and non-replicant, manage to eke out an existence.
Finally sat down and watched it for the first time like 3 days ago. I was vaguely aware that it existed already, that it was a sequel to the original which I had seen like 15 years ago, but I knew nothing about the plot so I went in practically blind. It was slower than I wanted, heavier than I expected, and all around mostly more, I don't know, different than i think it should have been. I wouldn't change anything about it though. I loved it, and it definitely gave me a lot to think about the last few days. I think going in blind like I did really elevated the experience of the movie for me, and I really want more movies like this to be more popular
"Now all those moments in time Will be lost like tears in rain" It is the epitaph of each and every one of us Who will remember us? Dust to forgotten dust Stunningly simple Yet stunningly so very sad........
Nowadays society is sick... Box office, high reviews, great advertising, familiarity, formulas... it's all machinations and the real thing remains in the background. A great movie nowadays is either a blockbuster like Avengers Infinity war or a cinematic experience, trully artistic yet not so easily accepted movie like Blade Runner. IW works not because it's a follow-up or a culmination of a huge project, not because it features well known characters- of course these all help for the financial succes. But IW, just like Blade runner, was done with passion for the story and characters, by people truly involved. Sure. One will be regarded as a box-office hit, the other a failure. But then, one will be remembered as a great action flick, the other as a straight-out classic. Why can't people realise a good movie is that which is more than meets the eye? Which has a story behind the story and a message to tell...
Carson Whaley I don’t feel like writing an essay, this guy summed it up pretty well th-cam.com/video/t-u6cm6FsNA/w-d-xo.html It was definitely better than Ghost in the Shell tho
I know this is an old video but I have to say, I like spoilers because in this day and age of so many BAD films, I want to know beforehand if I will like a film. Knowing plot details and the like helps inform me as to if I WANT to spend my money on a film.
this was a fantastic movie! felt exactly like the original, its like nothing was lost in the 30 years we had to wait for a new one. and thats what makes it a great movie. also, I love when movies dont show huge scenes for previews, it gives us a chance to ACTUALLY BE SURPRISED WHEN THEY HAPPEN IN THE MOVIE.
I was in the midst of a horrific divorce when I saw Blade Runner 2049. The first scene showing K and Joi together was one of the most inspirational portrayals of a pure, innocent love that I’ve ever witnessed. It gave me hope of experiencing something similar someday.
Well I wish you the best of luck. Although, I would say, it seems obvious joi is an ai in the first scene. From the moment rain touches her though, the raindrops go through her and then suddenly it no longer does. From there, she, to me, started learning to be more like a real girl
I watch movies for the story and to be entertained, but practically every shot in Blade Runner 2049, is a work of art. I started noticing it from the second time I watched on to every time after. Every performance is fantastic.
As a degreed fine art painter I agree with u 100%. Every still shot I see of this film I feel like I'm looking at a great work of art. Very few movies are like this and I noticed it in college while watching the movie The Last Temptation of Christ as well.
I normally don't like film theories they tend to go off on some shred of pseudo-fact that is plausible at best. This is a whole different thing, I loved it and couldn't agree more. Thank you.
They shouldn't have spoiled Harrison Ford, who appears in the movie after like 2 hours. (It didn't even need a Harrison Ford, in my opinion). I don't even watch trailers, haven't been for years, yet you couldn't escape the fact that he's in it -- and it absolutely didn't have to be like that. Considering the plot of *this new movie*, whether Rick is a replicant now does actually matter. Because /spoilers/ whether replicants like Rachel can reproduce with other replicants OR with humans is a HUGE freaking difference. Maybe it was supposed to be answered in future movies, sad that it seems we won't get one.
[SPOILERS] I think there's something tragically beautiful in how letdown K was over his [plot twist]. And it's not just a reflection of him wanting to be human or "the one", but also a reflection of his own need to find his purpose; discovering who he thought he was. In essence that is what makes him become human. Those memories gave him a soul. Deckard and Rachel obviously were not thinking of that when they created him as a decoy. But that's what they, ironically machines (well question mark for Deckard) themselves who escaped their own captivity and became conscientious, created in K. A sentient being. Remember when the police captain said K's "Done fine without one" (Meaning, a soul). In a way it's true because it's not until he thinks he has one and is uncovering the mystery of his own human life, that every existential, -and human, emotion starts to creep up on him. As it turns out, they are more trouble than they are worth in the end. Sad Gosling :(.
Everyone thinks The Good The Bad and The Ugly is about Clint Eastwood's character when in fact we learn nothing about him at all, however we learn all about Tuco (Eli Wallach) - where he comes from, what he likes and doesn't, and we even meet his brother.
I watched Blade Runner 2049 again this week & I am just blown away by how layered and nuanced this movie was. I think it's one of the most amazing cinematic packages this past generation.
_Blade Runner 2049_ was the best movie of 2017. it’s a travesty that it wasn’t even nominated for Best Picture. SAD. also, K is most definitely the main character, the movie is his story. get real.
@@zenithquasar9623 so what ? He is the guy who chooses. Without him Decart probably wouldnt have been found. He was the person who found him, who rescued him afterwards and who let Decart to his Daughter.
it's a paradox because even though K is the "main character" of this movie in the sense that we follow him, in the end he's just a regular 'joe' as said by joi in that big advertisement. the main take away of the movie is that even though joe is not a human, he chooses to act more 'humane' than anyone else in the movie as proven by his last act and that he died for the better cause. he may not have been the character who was "promised to change everything" as he had previously thought so but he definitely contributed to a bigger cause.
@@camille8064 - that doesn’t seem like a paradox to me, he’s just the main character outright. he’s the protagonist, he’s the POV character for the most part, and he’s the only one with a full arc. he may not be the special “savior” character he wants to be, but by making his own choices he achieves his humanity. perhaps he’s not the main character of the implied Replicant uprising in the universe of _Blade Runner,_ but he’s certainly the main character of the movie we saw.
I just love Science Fiction excecuted properly or well, in my taste. But Blade Runner 2049 is more than just a great SciFi Movie for me. It made me feel, made me dream and think about things about my own life. Which is a great Achievement for a Movie. Because even if you move only one person with your work, it’s worth more than anything in the World.
In a way, K reminds me of Arthur from the Hitchhiker's Guide. When Fenchurch notes he is "an extraordinary person," he corrects her and says, "No, I'm just a normal person that extraordinary things have happened to."
Hit the nail on the head imo. That was the theme of the book, the first movie, and (because the directors made it a passion project not a cash grab) the newest edition.
i dont give a damn to other's opinion. 2049 made me totally satisfied, it does 100% justice to its prequel. Everything about 2049 like the original one is a master-piece. if u dont like the movie then its because as what Sapper Morton said to officer k. "" because you've never seen a miracle.""
Dumbest miracle ever: replicants being able to have children. Typical Hollywood trash, where everything emotional seems to be broken down to family and children. Does no justice to the original. Dumb fight scenes like the one at the end where the hero suddenly comes back to life to save the day at the last moment, unconvincing villains nobody cares about like some female version of the Terminator, dumb and overlong monologues made only to give exposition, no subtlety whatsoever, and long fucking drawn out scenes that didn't really need to be that long. The original was under 2 hours and is perhaps the greatest sci fi movie of all time. Why did we need to watch almost 3 hours of this crap? I know at lest here I'm in the minority but this movie was trash and made for the only reason of trying to bank on the success of the original, no matter what this director says. IMO only good thing about this movie were the colors and some of the scenery, the music was obnoxious to the point of nearly making my ears bleed. Just a dumb movie overall that in today's society is viewed as some sort of deep, meaningful, cerebral work of art when really it's just a lame-ass attempt by Hollywood to make money off a sequel.
@@jfalconredskins You know, your reaction is like the people who said Blade Runner is shit and many years later it is now considered to be the best sci fi film ever.
@@ThePowerscalingCinephileSo what makes you think that will happen again? I'm sure that what happened with the original was a very unique exception. Most of the time when a movie flops it stays flopped. Maybe I'll develop a cult following of people who really like it, but I seriously doubt it'll achieve masterpiece status. Why? For the reasons I stated above. It has nothing on the original and just isn't a very good movie. All it has going for it are some nice visuals here and there but that's it. Silly Hollywood plot, bad acting, laughable dialogues and horrible acting. It's shit.
Joi's "desire" to be a "real girl" is something her coding established when during the initial boot process when K bought her. Those programs have a very sophisticated personality generating routine that picks up on the wishes of the owner.
but does it matter why? She did become more than just a program. You can see her seemingly having consciousness and being curious about things even when K is away or not paying attention to her. Like how she's looking around while in the flying car, looking around Deckard's place, asking K questions about dna, the horse and las vegas
@@dariolol3565 We all watched her interact with K, and we saw her do all the things you've listed. We were also told, very clearly, in the movie, that she is a program. She is a sophisticated video game npc AI. We are told this. She asks questions! Of course she does. She looks around! Of course she does. The company that makes her, also makes the device to let be carried around. We don't know that she "became more than a program" and we wouldn't because we aren't given that information. This is one of the themes of the movie.
@wetterschneider Yes, she is a program, but not just any program. She's an AI that is able to learn. I like to think of her as a person that just has a default personality, but that doesn't mean you can't change it. You can see how different the joi in the ad and K's joi are. So since she's able to learn, that makes so much stuff possible. She tells K that she wants to be like a real human and you can see she tried by comparing her to the joi in the ad. It's impossible that she was programmed to act 100% just like a human. No, she learned it. Joi in the first scene definitely looks a lot less like a human than later on
@@dariolol3565 Just to be clear - I'm not trying to be combative or argumentative or any of that usual internet crap. I love this movie and I really love this detail. I appreciate the conversation about it. It's kind of dumb that we can only do this sort of thing here on YT - and there's not a better SM structure for conversing and tracking. The part of the story where she does grow and become more "herself" and the obvious affection that K feels for her is very important. Is she moving from simulation to "real"? We are intended to ask that. Does K really feel "real feelings" for her or is he also a sort of simulation in a fleshy body? That's also a theme of the movie. Replicants are not being treated like they are real, but we, the audience, very easily accept them as people. By contrasting our easy acceptance with the harder question about Joi... we get some fun juicy philosophical questions rolling. Why accept him and not her? Why deny her and not him? Is self a spectrum?
I wonder if it didn't have as much cinematic success as we'd like is because people don't watch movies because they want to think and be challenged but because they just want to be either hyped or relaxed.
I thought the great idea behind K was that he was a vacuum of a character. He had his function which was to unravel the story, but personally he lived in a fantasy that he was a real boy, which became an obsession once it was encouraged. Joi's role was just to indulge his whims. Because he was using it to reinforce this idea, she would indulge him and reaffirm it. I think I've seen this movie about 12 times now and it's a comfort to me.
I remember that the movie didn't have a big impact on me when I saw it. I was blown away by the visuals and the ambiance. It's only much later that I realised how haunting this movie is and how deeply troubled it made me feel. One day as I was listening to Dark enough by Health, I understood something about K and Joy. In the song they say "Does it make a difference how I feel, as long as I come back to you. Does it make a difference if it's real, as long as I say I love you" What's real is how we feel, how we see the world. Our mind will forever be the only take we have on the world we live in.
I think that deckard shouldn’t be a replicant for the sake of the first movie I feel like what it intended to say was replicants can be more human than humans themselves and I think that the unicorn scene completely messes that up
Blade runner is a film that influenced and has lived with me since I first saw it many years ago, I was so pleased that 2049 continued that love. The cinematography was awe inspiring as was the storytelling. Such a shame that great art isn’t more universally appreciated.
Being underappreciated is what makes great art great sometimes. Marvel will make billions trolling out money grab garbage for the masses like McDonald's whereas this masterpiece transcends all of that which makes it unique, timeless, like all great art.
Blade Runner 2049...the reaction was, wait, it can't be this good. We need to find some things to criticize about it. Well, guess what. It's that good.
To me it was my favorite movie of 2017 followed by Dunkirk. Blade Runner 2049 was a gamble, the IP being very limited to it's audience, the first one was not everyone's cup of tea, being the reason why is ascended to cult film status. Pair that to the sequel being 3 hours long, meaning fewer runs. 2049 was an amazing complement to the first one and pushed the being human theme to another extreme, this video being the proof .
The fact that this movie was made to inspire questions about it's purpose rather than to appeal to as many people as possible is what will make it relevant for ever. I found it to be a very refreshing movie to watch.
Blade Runner's box office failure is one of the greatest cinematic tragedies of this generation. Great video, man.
Actually, I think it's one of the best things that could happen to cinema. Hollywood is notorious for trying to copy a success and tack on uneccesary sequels. It'd be a tragedy if this film was successful because there would be so many terrible replications of this film.
^sorta how many films copied the OG Blade Runner
George Daugherty No I think it's a tragedy. While what you say is certainly true, the other result of the box office failure and more likely the more prominent one, os that true artists like deni villneuve won't be allowed to take creative risks with big blockbuster movies like this one. 2049 really was an expression of pure artistic talent and integrity and it was certainly helped by the large budget provided by the studio. But now they might not take the risk to let an artist like DV create their vision because it doesn't conform to market analysis. And that is the true tragedy.
It didn't really fail. It's made over $200m worldwide so far
Yeah the only fact that a shitty super hero movie like Homecoming makes more thab this masterpiece shows how much the human race is doomed.
The philosophy of Blade Runner, which is extended into 2049, is summed up for me in Roy's "tears in the rain" monologue at the end of the first film. He's saying that it doesn't matter whether you're human or replicant, it's your experiences which make you who and what you are. If you live a human life, you are as human as a human, even if you're a replicant. You can see on Deckard's face that he grasps this at this point, and realises what he has been doing - not "retiring" replicants, but killing human beings who have all "seen things you people wouldn't believe". It is this speech, and Roy showing how human he is by saving and then sparing Deckard, which makes Deckard realise that it's ok to love Rachel, because she is as human as he is. And that's why he goes back for her. This theme is just explored from different angles in 2049 to add even more layers and facets to this. It was a sequel that really needed to be made, and I absolutely love what they did with it. The only regrettable part about both films is that Philip K Dick didn't live to see either of them.
We are imperfect machines that many times strive for "improvement" the illusion of perfection. but most always end up with unintended consequences in our quest for that illusion.
a fantastic comment
@David Parks there will always be unintended consequences when you enter any uncharted territory, human beings in general are not very rational thinkers, we are prone to mistakes. there is always a double edge sword. we are not very good at wain in the cost benefit a small mistake can be very costly. good point!
Amen brother. Agree.
Haha I screenshot this before I even seen the comments. Glad I’m not the only one realizes how good he explained it.
The purpose behind Ks storyline was to say even though you might not be the "one" or percieved as special, you can still find purpose in a goal, setting objectives and completing them to further your passions are what makes your life worth it to you
Blade runner 2049 orange should be an official color on the color wheel.
@L1qu1d S1lenc3r I thought spice was blue
L1qu1d S1lenc3r haha. Villeneuve is directing the Dune remake.
Same as the Mad Max Fury Road Yellow-Orange
The University of Texas athletics teams already wear this color.
I watched it with night light still on so i got more orange than i should throughg the whole movie lol
I think K's loss of Joi hurt the most in the entire movie. I felt that.
same i dont see many comments about that one
Yeah True
I disagree. I think it was when K was physically beaten and stared at a giant hologram of Joi. He knew that no matter how large Joi can be she is just a hologram that anyone can buy. She is an example of consumerism, an iphone, a PS5, Pornhub. Even the hologram Joi said, "You look lonely, I can fix that." K then realized she was truly not authentic so even her memory stick getting crushed didn't matter as Joi was not real to begin with.
*Like really.. Imagine if someone deleted your entire porn collection that you have collected very passionately over the years*
@@Taylormademan900 *Man why did you mention Pornhub? I was about to fap.. Now I am like sad and depressed, I will fap gloomly now.*
I feel like I’m in the minority who loved this film’s lack of information beforehand. I went in genuinely blind to the plot points and would say it’s my favourite film this year. I wonder how ticket sales are currently doing?
My favorite kind of story telling... The one that makes you WANT to discover whathehell is hapenning, instead of just shoving it down your throat.
Environmental Storytelling, that's what Blade Runner 2049 does so well.
There are some of us. I try to completely avoid the hype before a movie I really want to see. I don't watch interviews, reviews etc. anyway. I love it that I knew nothing except the name of the movie.
I am also one who likes just enough info from a trailer for me to get an idea. A trailer should be like reading the back of a book you are wanting to buy. Now days I end up getting far too much from a trailer to enjoy the movie. Well most movies I don't enjoy due to the lack luster story telling people do these days. Everything seems to be treated like an action film.
I went in to 2049 knowing nothing and I loved it
The original Blade Runner didn't become a success overnight. It took years before people started noticing it. The same might be true for the sequel.
Naum Rusomarov Did you see the reviews?
Yes. They're mostly great. What's the problem with them?
There's no problem with them. But it won't take years for people to notice the sequel, as everyone new about it on release and it received nearly unanimous praise. It didn't bomb at the box office, just performed below expectations so it's already been a success
Well a lot of normies thought it was boring, probably the same kind of people who would’ve said the same about the original.
Simple fact is that it's not a movie for everyone. By its very nature it will not become massive because of its limited target audience.
blade runner 2049 was one of the best movies ive ever seen. certainly the best sequel ever made.
idk if its just me, but i fucking love the blade runner universe on a personal level so much. I literally see the rain and the dark neon city and feel connected to the atmosphere, almost as if Ive actually been there. Ive never felt this feeling so strongly with any other movie.
SUPREME LATITUDE I think the retro aesthetic of the future reminds of a better future in contrast to the one in real life despite the slight corporate corruption. We have way more problems, most of them meaningless and annoying in our everyday lives.
SUPREME LATITUDE For instance, people argue over shit like neutral bathrooms and how blacks or Jews might cause problems in Western society instead of whether we should clone ourselves or how to explore nanotech, space exploration or virtual reality.
the utter confusion i felt when the movie ended. wut? a sequel that was better than the first? my brain just wouldnt comprehend this new concept
@zebble ganubi ahah yeah ik! @mr beist fr u r right. I was astonished at how many box office hits this got over that shit movie Happy Death Day, all my friends thought happy death day was awesome, why don't ppl appreciate good movies?
It fits in well with all that stuff made in the early-mid 70's
It however is completely out of step with modern sensibilities - Den' made a Hipster Movie and that is why it failed - it "Might" pick up fans long term - it might not. It probably as likely to be completely forgotten about as Ready Player One is likely going to be.
Also it's interesting to note that they reverse can happen too you can make loads of money and be forgotten about too - I.e. Avatar is pretty much forgotten about.
I'm not sure what there is to latch on to in this movie other than visuals (and that is likely true about the original too) If it was a Genre of Music it would be Improvisational Jazz.
Some people get very immersed in that others are bored to tears and find it discordant and annoying.
I do think for me the time the Movie annoyed me slightly trumps the times the Movie was visually engaging - I also STRONGLY disliked almost the entire last 3rd of the Movie.
I don't know if i'd call the movie Controversial - as I think it really just passed with little remark and many people likely don't even know it exists at all (any more than they do 'Soldier' does).
A slight shame - I will however neither decry or champion the Movie - I'll let time decide.
In my heart, I feel that 2049 was a complete modern masterpiece of sci-fi cinema. Not only did it completely capture the feel and universe of the original accurately, it felt much deeper into the personal questions of what is real and what is love. In fact, after the “VR sex” scene between the two where she needed to use a proditutes’ body in order for him to “feel” her, it blew my mind. It gave me a totally different perspective on the capabilities an possibilities of cross-oner between VR and reality a future where things are not clearly black and white but where love can even transcend reality itself. It was a profound feeling. Selfless love was expressed in several ways in this movie. But one of the guiding points I think was if selfless love can exist that isn’t “real” does its realness really matter when the love itself was self-less? Aghh.. How to word that…. I’m confused still by some of it. But I think that’s the hallmark of a truly great movie, something that can actually invoke confusion and conflict into the feelings of the viewer and doesn’t hand over the answers but lets the viewer reach their own conclusions in a way that feels profound. Very few movies have ever done this in my book. For me, it makes 2049 a legend, a landmark piece of cinema. The best things in life are usually the most undervalued things. This Is not exempted.. but a perfect exemplar of that.
We're with ya man
Morgan Chronister finally someone said it
@David Parks robot can't feel love it doesn't have a heart just like the o.p referred to ,what is all this mental masturbation people have about this film. imo it was drawn out self-indulgent waffle that raises a heap of questions but only answers a few,not satisfying, mostly just Gosling staring at something or someone with the same expression, for me it was watchable but not a masterpiece and did not do the original justice
@David Parks yup, good points and comment wasnt at you just the amount of over-praise in general i see here in the comments.
Yes, but I think that you miss the fact that the VR girl probably never existed. It was left very doubtful that the VR girl experienced anything or did anything other than what Joe would have expected of a 'Best Girl'. The prostitute tells Joi that "there is nothing really in here". And it's not answered whether Joi actually was sentient or had feelings or had made choices and was not just in fact a well-designed chat bot. If Joi had no sentience, then nothing she did was self-less. There was no self to sacrifice.
When my dad turned on the tv and said this is what we are watching I was like “Blade runner? What the hell is Blade runner?” Now it is one of my favourite films ever
@NADS IQ Does it matter?
NADS IQ their both in my top five films of all time. Got a problem with that?
Same, I remember watching it as a kid when it first came out and being completely blown away by the visuals, I love this movie.
@NADS IQ I bet older than you kiddo.
@@AlwaysBonpoint I watched in theaters when it released and I was so confused the entire time. I decided to rewatch it and the original and I love them both.
It was not a comercial success because it was not intended for the masses, like true masterpieces arent.
I agree with you because it was a visual masterpiece that simpletons cant comprehend.
@@skywolf2012 Comprehend what? The film rehashed many themes already expressed in art. It was just poor delivery.
@GIT GUD Traditionally, the masses prefer the mundane, like McDonalds is one of the most successful restaurants of all time. The exact opposite of a master restaurant. Masterpieces are almost universally misunderstood and criticized until some meme starts to catch on.
Blade Runner was a box office flop too, but it was one of the greatest influences in science fiction of all time, and is now hailed as one of the greatest movies of all time. It's entirely possible that 2049 will have a similar status in time. I think Mr AtZ has it just right.
@GIT GUD What nonsense. Just look at the crap the masses validate. (Not that all the individuals had all bad taste, but their tastes differ so much that the lowest common denominator becomes product most widely spread).
@GIT GUD No. That's plainly wrong and you just made that up.
I've seen things you ppl wouldn't believe... Like Blade Runner 2049 while it was still in theaters
Seeing this movie in IMAX was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. We turned around and saw it in 3D and walked out in disgust. IMAX was MADE for this movie.
same
call me crazy i dont to this day think that 2049 is a blade runner movie its not a scifi noir at all
it doesnt feel the same . its like too clean too artificial like a copy of a copy an emulation if you will
that doesnt mean that its bad . its amazing but not a blade runner movie (i think akira or gemini rue are)
imo
I wish i did!
Dolby digital went to see it 3 times in Hollywood . Saw the movie recently on HBO and it just wasn't the same experience .
I’m kind of okay with the box office bomb because it’ll mean no tacked on sequels. Like the director said. It’s not about making it a box office success but making it a success to the people who view it, no matter how big or small.
I loved 2049 and it was a success for me on a personal level. Just like how the Original Blade Runner wasn’t a box office hit but it influenced science fiction for years to come.
well said... and blade runner 2049 isn't trying to make a sequel. It is, in its own way a movie. It doesn't cash on its predecessor(like every mother fucking F&F movie) but continues its question-making and that's a good thing.
if there are box office bombs like this, studios doubt the quality of movie and go with the quantity of cash it can generate and that's very bad thing.
+Rainbowhawk1993
Amen to that last line
Yup I see it as an investment in Sci-fi/Movie/film making heritage. It's DNA will live on in other aspects of culture.
i could agree with you, because idc about the success of a movie. But the problem is that if this movies (movies that take risks and challenge you) dont get the attention and money that they deserve, people will give them less attention and support or even worse: stop making them . Thats the problem :(
.....I WANT another sequel for this.
“”Just” a hotter version of siri” how dare you, Ana de Armas is absolutely stunning
So she's "hotter"? You're not helping your case.
HottER? So siri is hot??
should have said, 'hooter" version of Siri
@@tling321 no he shouldnt have
There's more to a women than just her looks you misogynist!
The main character was obviously K's jacket.
Ming Mongo I like his car.
@@danielavery1272 who doesn't love a flying car?
Definitely that car and the jacket👌
the car and that awesome little roof drone
K looks like elder maxson
Jay from red letter media brought up an amazing point, that if Deckard wasn't in the trailer, the reveal would've been absolutely fantastic. Yet him being marketed in the film was one of the only ways to get certain butts in seats sadly. I really wish this movie was a box office smash cause it was near perfect in my eye. Denis Villeneuve is creating yearly amazing films so I hope it never stops.
24 Frames Of Nick he wasn't just in the trailer, he was on the posters too and was promoting the movie. I think it was a bad idea. Even people going because of the Harrison Ford would be disappointed by how little he was in it. It would have been like putting Mark Hamill all over the ads for TFA.
Denis is the man.
And I agree with Jay. I think that if Ragnorak would've kept the "fight scene" a secret that would've been one of the most insane reveals of 2017
Ford doesn't have a BIG part, but it's an important part... K finds meaning through aiding Deckard.
Yeah, I even heard that Dennis Villuneve (I probably spell that wrong) wanted to keep him out of marketing too.
@@danphillips2784 Yes. Finally someone said it.
Joi is one of my favorite characters in the movie. At first she does come off as a bit artificial and superficial but as the movie progresses there is that apparent desire for her to become more real. I love the scene when he brings her along in his flying car and the look on her face is like a child on a ride at Disney world. If it is a lie it is what Mark Twain said: "The best lie is the sincere lie," and this is the lie that certain characters happen to believe themselves even if they are not completely convinced what they are hearing and seeing is the truth.
The love leaves open the question of whether Joi existed at all, or was simply a projection of what Joe would have wanted in a companion. It's quite possible that Joe and Joi having a relationship was entirely a lie.
@@celebrim1 Interesting point, but keep in mind something artificial that is designed to be a submissive entity might have difficulty expressing itself as a real human might. Joi does try to go beyond what we might think a artificial girl might, but again you may be right about it being a lie, but is it? Keep in mind Joe himself may not be allowed a girlfriend because he's an android and Joi is as close as he can get.
@@schizoidboy Think if you met someone who during their upbringing was taught that if you want a partner, you should become what they want. You enter a relationship with this person not knowing that, to you it just seems like you two get along really well and what luck you like all the same things. Is that not a real relationship?
So JOI is meant to adapt to a person and make them happy. That desire to make you happy was programmed into her, but in a similar way someone who is a 'people pleaser' has been programmed by genetics and upbringing.
But if she can 'feel' disappointment when you are unhappy, when she comes up with plans on how to progress your relationship, when she goes against the law and sacrifices herself for you, she at least seems to be a sapient being, even if her cornerstone motive wasn't something she got to choose in a vacuum.
@@Waywardpaladin Perhaps the question is whether a sentient AI can have/develop feelings. Is Joi sentient? Could she validly pass the Turing test? Is the Turing test truly capable of determining sentience?
@@alanparsonsfan In AI research they are working on teaching programs analogs for 'pain' and 'shame' to motivate them to avoid mistakes, so we will see where that goes :p
This movie is not intended for general masses. It is intended for those who have seen a miracle.
Agreed 🤔😁😎
Amen
Hear hear
It's one of the few dystopian scifis that literally make me sad everytime I watch. That means it's damned good.
... what
Blade runner 2049 was one of the greatest movies I’ve seen in years
It is an art
This is why studios meddle with production of movies.
When they don't we get masterpieces like these and people don't see them in the theaters.
I've always said it: Joi is real. She asked K to take her with him even when he didn't want to put her on risk. And when his ship was taken down, her reaction was emotional: she cried and tried to wake him up, even though he was unconscious at that moment. Everybody talks about the billboard hologram scene and how it means that K just realizes that Joi was fake all the time, but to me it is the moment he realizes she was different all the time.
Agree 100%. Many think the big advertisement is a gutpunch because K sees she was just a program, but I see it as the nature/nurture impact on all life. That we all start with some set of code and while that provides a base, it is the experiences we collect further define us. So Joi started as this mass produced base program, as the advertisement shows, but the particular Joi we see throuhout the film gets more and more individual making decisions that wouldn't make sense if she was just following some inherent programming. The relationship of Joi and K feels like the next big question after the first movie's question on Deckard and Rachel (and handled far better than that first movie as well.)
A B Exactly. It makes you wonder if Joi made K human or the other way around. One thing is indisputable: not K, or Joi or Rachel were mere artificial products. They developed a “soul” through human contact. They were able to feel affection and pain.
Give me total directive control over a nigh sentient ai bound to serve a man and I will give something realer than what most of what is more naturally common
theres the hooker who says that there isnt much inside joi's head, the billboard scene and a few other hints here and there, but i still have a feeling she advanced past her basic programming.
its just typical bladerunner. they are trying to get you thinking so you have something to argue about for the next 20 years until the next movie comes out
Carlos Arias But honestly is she really sentient? Because I think no one addresses the fact that she can't leave by her own will, so she is a slave in a way.
The last time I was so entranced by a cinematic experience was Interstellar. It's movies like this that make me love film
Saddly Interestellar ending sucked ass (the original ending from the script was basically replaced by a family friendly one, because money)
But yeah, it could have easily earned its spot as a sci fi classic if not for that
+Gravel Not complaining about the tesseract scene if you paid any attention at all. It's the outcome that wasn't supposed to be like this. After interating with the Tesseract and sending the message to his daughter, Cooper should have died in space (as he would in any realistic script), not knowing whether Murphy has been able to figure out his theory or not. I'm complaining about the "Space rangers rescued you" bullshit, which is just plain lazy writing to reduce the movie's classification in order to sell it to a wider audience - which wasn't Nolan's plan with the movie's direction in the first place. If THAT was altered, then yeah, it would definitely be a classic... Oh, and btw, there's no such thing as a "flawless film".
exact same here. this movie and interstellar are my favourite from the last decade and if they didnt exist all my favourite movies would be from a long long time ago. its a shame they are so rare these days
roberto. first ive heard of that. very interesting and i like the sound of that even though i really enjoyed it the was it is.
i wonder if thats something that could be easily fixed? *goes to search for fan edits
@lawerence sensei Try watching Silence it's a movie that had be so entranzed the whole time and some of the best acting and cinmatography I have ever seen.
best movie in 2017.
I AGREE!
It's a shame that not so much people give themselves an opportunity to wacht it
its almost half of the year 2018, Blade Runner 2049 is still best movie so far, no doubts...well imho :D
Best movie ever made
Agreed. And I didn't remotely mind that the trailers barely told you anything. It allowed you to go in with a fresh mind and just enjoy having the story told to you. It was an outstanding story and visually stunning. Every shot had purpose. Bravo.
Using Frodo as a typical hero is an interesting choice when Frodo is very small, the author, JRR Tolkien, was wanting to show that superficial qualities are not relevant in determining someone's value.
Exactly, the whole point of Frodo being the "hero" is that anyone can be a hero, as there was nothing unique or special about him except that he's a little braver and more adventurous than your average hobbit.
@@bradleywoods3742 doesn't the fact that his heart is abnormally pure and he is abnormally good at resisting the ring's influence make him unique?
@@glowerworm Nope, being a good person isn't a superpower/ability a select few people are born with, it is something that everyone can become, no matter their background. Also, I can tell your not a big Tolkien fan because you would remember that Frodo DID give in to the rings influence and gollum bit of his finger at mount doom and fell into the lava. There also were numerous times throughout the story when Frodo was overly protective of the ring.
@@bradleywoods3742 yes, Frodo gave in to the ring's influence. But it took a long time for his will to break. Compare that to any one else, some of whom attempted to steal the ring after just *looking* at it.
I didn't say Frodo was immune to the Ring's influence. He was strong against it, though. And it's not because he was a good person, but because he had a strong will. Aragorn and Gandalf were good people and even they didn't trust themselves to ever hold the ring.
It has to do with willpower, not goodness. People are good through their actions. Resisting the ring requires willpower. Different things.
@@glowerworm This is a misreading imo, Frodo was able to withstand the ring precisely because he wasn't special, the trick to the ring's power was corruption, those who were greater gave the ring more to work with, Frodo was able to resist because there wasn't anything to work with, he had no desire for greatness, and wasn't meant for it the way that Aragorn, or Gandalf or Galadriel were. They were all powerful beings who had a war to fight against evil, Frodo just wanted to go home to his friends, and for them to be ok.
That's not something that can be corrupted the way the others could, and it's not something that could be solved by becoming a huge power.
Great sci-fi has to flop. Dumbing it down for mass appeal makes garbage.
Blade Runner 2049 was the best movie I've ever seen in my life. It was a success in my heart, screw the box office numbers, the art is all that matters and Denis even says that he makes movies not for the money but the love for the art form.
Lone WolfGamingPlus have you seen the original blade runner final cut tho cause its 100 times better
@@meeszanten1720 I think you got it backwards buddy
“That it’s fake, but if it makes us feel something real...does it matter”
That killed it, in a good way
Just found out Joi's commercial literally says "Everything you want to hear", maybe that's why K said "You don't have to say that" when Joi tells him she loves him?
But I'm still convinced that their relationship is authentic.
I guess that's just part of the beauty of the whole idea: there is no definitive answer. For me, I felt like the part where the ad says "Everything you want to hear" and "Everything you want to see" was evidence that Joi was nothing more than programming, but one can just as easily make an argument that she moved beyond her programming when she consents to being moved to her emanator and losing one of her most secure lifelines.
And to K, does it matter?
Yeah, totally agree about the movie without a definitive answer, but what do you mean about K doesn't matter?
Ah, perhaps I was a bit vague on that. By that, I meant does it matter to K whether or not she really felt any "feelings" for him - whether what she did was programmed or her own, independent decision. On that topic, I'm not sure whether it matters to K. On one hand, the end result is the same for him. On the other, though, we can clearly see that he's not sure what to think about it once he sees the massive Joi hologram - he'd rather not find out the answer, in fear that it would not be the answer he wanted.
I mean, you're wrong, but if your interpretation enhances the movie for you then It doesn't hurt anyone.
I was a bit puzzled as to why K was so transfixed by the holographic advert for Joi, it's not like he wouldn't have seen the same sort of advertising before he bought his copy.
Great points. To me the absolute heart of the film, its themes that you touched on here, and the 'is Deckard a Replicant?' debate are all perfectly crystallised in my favourite moment in the film: In Las Vegas, when K asks Deckard if his dog is real (the almost reflex preoccupation everyone has in both films whenever an animal is present), and Deckard shrugs and says he doesn't know, 'ask him'. He implies in that moment that it doesn't matter, it's the wrong question to ask, and how the dog thinks and feels about himself is more important than how he was created. That to me is the answer to whether Deckard is 'real', or K, or Joi.
*shrug* I don't know. Ask them.
2049 is without a doubt the single most BEAUTIFUL film I have ever seen. Cinematic perfection, every department knew the task. Denis communicates his vision so passionately you feel it. This feeling brings out the best in everyone imo.
amen
something that has stuck with me that the original Blade Runner taught me that was really explored in the sequel which made me love it is that if you yourself are not sure whether or not you are authentic to the point where it haunts you and you worry over it doesn't that in of itself show some degree of authenticity? And even if you are human and don't worry about it at all doesn't that lack of curiosity make you less authentic? How real are you really if you are never truly sincere or at least try to be? These questions are what makes me love both films
It's ambiguity done right!
Nice comment. Perhaps one could say 'how much it matters to you is how much it matters at all'...?
“I care, therefore I am.” :-)
The main character is the character you're meant to identify/empathize with. If that's not k than i must have been watching a different film. I thought the story between K and Joi was beautiful in a tragic sort of way.
This movie is the antedote to the corruption of post-modernism...even when finding out that your life has no real purpose, you make the time you have meaningful, by doing responsible things...life has no meaning, but responsibility does, and responsibility is hard because true meaning is never cheap. Do not look to the Universe to give you purpose, take your meaning from the Universe by taking on responsibilities, the only way to live a purposeful life.
Beautifully stated -- how to achieve meaning from meaninglessness.
To Love , Obey, and Serve God, is man's purpose in life!
Gdertcnjiireahjᅥᅧ2097643eethjiiwad you cretin.
Excellent comment, Mark, and totally in line with positive psychology. Reminds me exactly of something Carl Sagan said.
Mark McAllister Its funny that your statement contradicts itself when you talk on the corruption of post modernism, explaining your views on the world, which is post modern. Those who are post modernists don't believe in absolutes, therefore, what you say is not absolute. It would have been more appropriate if you said this in a subjective way instead of objective.
I've watched 2049 three times. It haunts me. It's like the original Blade Runner. It's really interesting with so much to absorb.
What's the movie's message
It speaks volumes that, for me at least, the death of an AI was the most affecting moment in the film. Holy crap Luv is brutal. And the fact that she dies like a real person because she wanted to be a real person and live a real life? Denis, you’re amazing.
Here's a question to ponder. Is Joi's desire to go out into the world via the portable hologram device an aspect of her will, or is it a desire programmed into her to get Joi owners to buy the device?
As for the box office of the film, I think in the long run it will be deemed a success because 30 years from now people will still be watching and talking about it. I don't think the same can be said for most blockbusters, regardless of how much money they pull in.
andyhoov this makes me so sad
Man i never though of this. This movie is a bloody masterpiece.
The emanator opens a world for Joi that I doubt many Jois get to experience, though it certainly is possible that her "cabin fever" was a ploy to pressure K into an upgrade.
I asked this very same question myself. Lets take it even further though, could there be some sort of planned / promoted obsolescence built into Joi’s programming? With the ability to take Joi with you anywhere on a device that can easily get lost, stolen or broken combined with Joi’s request for K to tear her from her home console, couldn’t Wallace Co plan on people desperate enough to buy their products to get a taste and hook them and get them dependent on the experience Joi provides? It would definitely mean more business / profit for Wallace.
cholesterolkilla Hard to tell....I'm not sure most Joi owners are encouraged to delete their virtual girlfriends from the home consoles...but the fragility of the emanators certainly guarantee a high demand for replacements.
"He's a handbook that becomes a poem"... Wow! I love that, and it's so true. The beautiful lie, it is so damn true.
Part of the quotation is that Joi sees K as a poem, and that she became one too, if I remember right.
2049 is an absolute masterpiece.
"But if it makes us something feel. Does it matter?" Thanks mate I'll take this to heart.
Art should never be judged on how much money it makes. It has everything to do with how it makes you feel. This film is so beautiful, and has every major creative involved working at the peak of their powers. In time it will be seen as the classic it is, and a brilliant addition to the original story.
Ive watched this movie over 50 times since its release. It’s my favorite movie of all time, and in my opinion the greatest sequel of all time. It’s a beautiful movie with an even more beautiful message. Every performance was masterfully acted to point where it doesn’t even feel like it’s an act at all. The cinematography is the best I’ve ever seen. Truly one of the greatest movies ever made.
I've only watched it 3x so far, and I have to absolutely agree with you. I most certainly get exactly what you said.
What is the message of the movie?
Seen the film 3 times, planning to see a fourth. Obviously you can tell I hated it...
Anyways, I’d like to think that K is the main character but the story revolved more around Deckard and Racheal. Like you boldly stated how he’s a slave based on who and what he is, but once the opportunity arises on the possibility of being something more, he gains hope from that. Him at one point believing that he could be that Replicant-born child. However, once he discovers it’s a lie, he loses that hope and he’s right back where he was at the beginning of the film.
But due to the relationship of him and Joi (which I believe she was becoming sentient, since her last words were “I love you” before she dies), he makes that decision to save Deckard HIMSELF. That decision was special and it pays off since “dying for the right cause is the most human thing we can do”. By reuniting a father to his daughter. Nothing super duper extremely big where he saves the world, but a simple cause such as that.
Dying in the snow meant he was at peace within himself, and he accepts it. I like to think the film was about K discovering his humanity. Except that moment won’t be lost in time like tears in rain, but will be remembered by Deckard, which is another form of a meaningful existence.
Bruh, I saw K like a new form of Batty. Dying after saving Deckard and for a noble cause
I am gonna miss K :( you think they’ll be a next one?
I believe joi was sentient because she behaved as if she loved him when he was unconcious.
I didn't like the way ford took over the picture once he started and would have preferred K remained the focus.
K doesn't have to the chosen one to be the protagonist. But it is irritating when the protagonist for 2/3 of the film is shoved aside for the big name star. Ford essentially became the protagonist. They did the same thing with him in TFA.
On star wars main trilogy of trilogies-- it *was* the story of the skywalker clan and how they balanced the force.
What they did at the end of TFA and in the beginning of TLJ was a complete canon reboot. It would be akin to reading a book for 30 chapters and then in the last 10 chapters they kill all the existing protagonists and their antagonists, dumped all the philosophical concepts the story was previously exploring, even dumped the existing "rules of the universe established for the prior 30 chapters", and finished the story with new protagonists, antagonists, new philosophy, and new ground rules for the universe.
It would be like if in book 6 of harry potter, *everyone* died including voldemort and the last story was about the characters from the french school making a new technological bomb.
it would have been better to set this story as *not* part of the trilogy, much further in the future. Don't say you are going to finish the trilogy to get fan's money and then reboot it.
i got the same feeling there was definitely a bit more to joi even though they hinted multiple times that she was just some bot that had been programmed. the last big reveal is where the huge joi hologram on the street calls k a "good joe". that doesnt really mean she wasnt sentient, just that they start off programmed the same but she still might be capable of having her own thoughts at some point.
something else ive been thinking about; she seemed to get the concept of the replicants being able to reproduce without having it explained to her. this wouldnt have been anything she was programmed to know about since the people who programmed her would not have known it was possible at the time. but i suppose if she was a really advanced ai then that might explain it
zebble ganubi Well they also had on the joi billboard "everything you want to see, everything you want to hear." She was perfect for K because I believe she was designed to be perfect for any consumer. I think we just need more info because who's to say that she wouldnt be in absolute love with an evil abusive owner.
I remember being really moved by the last minute or so in Blade Runner 2049, but I couldn't figure out why. All I can do is wait a couple months and watch it again. This is truly the best movie of 2017, and maybe for a few years to come.
Oh yeah by the way this is one of your best videos too, only fits for such a perfect movie
I think it'll only get better with rewatches. Denis knows how to craft a movie!
I couldn't wait to move to the exit. Loss aversion for paying for an Imax ticket I guess. I noticed many in the audience didn't have the same aversion.
Same reaction as you, here. The first time around, I felt something about the movie resonated deeply with me, but couldn't quite tell what. In subsequent views, I was able to form my understanding of the story and catch meanings, metaphors and aims. Blade Runner 2049 is thoughtful on many levels, it offers multiple layers of interpretation, and yet the plot manages to be round, concluded and coherent.
The other reason that drew me to the movies three times (with a fourth scheduled for the end of the month) is the audio. I don't have an home theater yet, but can't imagine this film played on anything less than an expensive Dolby Atmos system. Wallfisch and Zimmer's score can't quite stand on its own like the legendary one from Vangelis, but as a complement to this particular movie it's just perfect.
It adds a raw kind of power that honestly, I had never experienced before at the movies, let alone a tiny room. I have no regrets paying for another ticket for this reason alone.
One of the most beautiful and perfect endings I've ever seen
One of the best movies of the 21st century so far. It really makes you think of what makes sentience. The "Real" people, The replicants, and Joi
Watched blade runner again recently and thanks for mention the quote: (die) like a real girl. This line of script really hit me hard
"And dreadfully distinct against the dark, a tall white fountain played."
This reference Nabokov's Pale Fire is a perfect depiction of the question of authenticity--of fate--in Bladerunner.
Excellent analysis. I especially appreciate that you draw the same connection between Joi and K as with the Deckard question. Yes Joi is an AI, yes she was programmed to be the girl K wants her to be, but speaking for myself I felt something when Joi was killed by Luv. No matter how artificial it may have been, what Joi and K had felt real. So if you have to ask if it was real, does it really matter if it was or not?
Man I LOVED this movie so much. This video made me appreciate the movie that much more too. Denis Villenueve is one of the best directors working today. Dude hasn't had a misfire yet. Blade Runner 2049 proves just how talented he is.
Denis is the MASTER!
Deakins cinematography was perfect as always too. This film hit me hard the first time I went to see it. And the second..
Yeah, so far I've seen 3 of his movies, and all 3 have stuck with me long after viewing. After Arrival, I basically decided I'll watch anything he makes.
ErizotDread I saw ARRIVAL 5 times in the theater with 5 different friends. They each loved it.
cant wait for dune. i dont have a clue what its about but im not even going to check before hand
5:51 The question about Deckard is not whether he's a replicant, nor "whether it matters"; the question is whether he's human.
This is a question that is explored in both movies.
Unfortunately, Ridley Scott doesn't agree.
"Is it real?" "I dunno- ask him."
Exactly... Nice quote drop.
The fact it didn't do spectacularly in todays Hollywood fast food special effect machine climate is the absolute ultimate accolade. A beautiful and thought provoking film that continued seamlessly from the original. Most moronic cinema goers want easy to follow plots with all the answers immediately but this classic film serves up long term gratification, leaves the viewer with more questions than answers and is an absolute modern classic. Incomparable to anything contemporary in the sci fi genre and outside. The whole film is littered with philosophical beauty following the originals prose. Utterly love this film, the cast, the director, the pace and the beautiful imagery. Totally amazing....
1:54 - Exactly. In other words, they didn't sell out, and it shows! This movie was pure art and fantastic and was such an amazing breath of fresh air to modern movie making. So great.
I loved this movie! I like the original, but I think this one is far better! This will probably end up on many best sequels of all time lists. Great movie
NimTV i mean, any film sequel That can actually feel as good or better then the original is a win in any book.
MrWednsday1 yeah I do as well. Especially the tears in rain part. That’s one of he best moments in cinematic history
Rork, The Game Master depends on how good the original is, which in this case it is good
NimTV same here man I love this movie so much it's not just my favorite of the year it's up there on my favorites of all time
Alejandro Gonzalez yeah I agree
I thought you were going to talk about how Joi points to K and calls him Joe towards the end... to me it seemed like Joi WAS just an A.I. as much as I would like their love to be real.. that's just my take (:
This is the best video I've seen that asks what I wanted to ask but couldn't find it for some reason. This film made me feel such surprising feelings I've not gotten from a film since "Grave of the Fireflies." I left this film feeling empty yet somehow glad I was empty. Really unusual and a sign of great art
Loved how you had joji’s song will he playing in the background
It's smooth
It's actually called the love theme from a movie called Lost River
Corey Gill is right, it's the song from Lost River. Directed by Gosling and sung by Saoirse Ronan. Awesome movie, awesome soundtrack.
@@trickydec no the first part is joji
The first background music is joji's will he
I feel bad for not spending money to see this in the theater now. For sure one of the best movies I’ve seen
Still the best movie of the year for me. I love films that can have lots of completely different meanings depending on who is watching. In that sense the questions a film like Blade Runner 2049 raises are far more important than any hard answers it provides. The discussions it provokes force us to take a good look at ourselves and the world around us. Isn't that really what all great art is meant to do?
Exactly!
Bingo!
I liked it so much when the twist revealed. He's the main character that we see but he's not 'the one', and his decision afterward is his own decision. it's kinda soothing and reassuring to have this kind of character sometimes 😊
"We're focusing on the wrong question..." - brilliant observation! Totally agree!
Bladerunner has influenced me in my life in many ways, I lived part of my childhood in Hong Kong and feel a real connection to this world. So glad 2049 met my expectations.
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For me both Blade Runner films were portals to thinking and feeling novel things. I thoroughly enjoyed the new movie, not because it gave answers to questions or was simply well made, but because it forced me to think about anything and everything. It made me look deeply into the film's world, and consequently how I look at my own world. Truly one of my favorite movies. And thank you for the insightful analysis, I always love listening to what you have to say.
Any movie that makes us think is worthy of the runtime imo.
Thanks for watching!
Good analysis.
1. In the original Blade Runner, Deckard hunts the replicants as if they were a malfunctioning machine. In the end he is shown that the replicant Batty has human characteristics: he showed him pity, empathy, compassion and mercy. Yes, he also showed him anger, and hostility but in the end when he knew he was dying, he decided to save Deckard.
2. In the sequel, K aka "Joe" like Batty saves Deckard. But this time the replicant saves him not out of pity or mercy, he does so out of a deliberate choice to some higher ideal and goal.
3. Finally, the original film while it clearly has influenced a generation of directors and many film fans, was also not a box office hit and in fact viewed as a disappointment. It simply isn't a film that was meant for everyone. The pacing is very slow, almost glacial at times, in the painstaking way bits of evidence are examined and re-examined. Here, we get lot of long beautiful shots of how much a wreck the world has become. It is not a world we yearn to live in, but rather a pretty terrible place that someone people, replicant and non-replicant, manage to eke out an existence.
Finally sat down and watched it for the first time like 3 days ago. I was vaguely aware that it existed already, that it was a sequel to the original which I had seen like 15 years ago, but I knew nothing about the plot so I went in practically blind.
It was slower than I wanted, heavier than I expected, and all around mostly more, I don't know, different than i think it should have been.
I wouldn't change anything about it though. I loved it, and it definitely gave me a lot to think about the last few days. I think going in blind like I did really elevated the experience of the movie for me, and I really want more movies like this to be more popular
I just sat down and watched the original for the first time and had to take a month to see the sequel...now I’m going down the rabbit hole. Thanks
"Now all those moments in time
Will be lost like tears in rain"
It is the epitaph of each and every one of us
Who will remember us?
Dust to forgotten dust
Stunningly simple
Yet stunningly so very sad........
Nowadays society is sick... Box office, high reviews, great advertising, familiarity, formulas... it's all machinations and the real thing remains in the background. A great movie nowadays is either a blockbuster like Avengers Infinity war or a cinematic experience, trully artistic yet not so easily accepted movie like Blade Runner. IW works not because it's a follow-up or a culmination of a huge project, not because it features well known characters- of course these all help for the financial succes. But IW, just like Blade runner, was done with passion for the story and characters, by people truly involved. Sure. One will be regarded as a box-office hit, the other a failure. But then, one will be remembered as a great action flick, the other as a straight-out classic. Why can't people realise a good movie is that which is more than meets the eye? Which has a story behind the story and a message to tell...
My favorite movie of the year
That Sujosh Guy It was alright
ᛟ VALHALLA ᛟ What did you not find that great about that movie that just made it "alright"?
Agreed. Don’t remember loving a movie this much in a while.
Carson Whaley I don’t feel like writing an essay, this guy summed it up pretty well
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It was definitely better than Ghost in the Shell tho
SaberRexZealot The antagonist and protagonist were bland af, even the god complex of the villain is so cliché
I know this is an old video but I have to say, I like spoilers because in this day and age of so many BAD films, I want to know beforehand if I will like a film. Knowing plot details and the like helps inform me as to if I WANT to spend my money on a film.
"The only person he's close to is just a hotter version of Siri".
Love it!
This move is so underrated! It will be a classic soon...
Great video. Thx.
AWESOME MOVIE
this was a fantastic movie! felt exactly like the original, its like nothing was lost in the 30 years we had to wait for a new one. and thats what makes it a great movie. also, I love when movies dont show huge scenes for previews, it gives us a chance to ACTUALLY BE SURPRISED WHEN THEY HAPPEN IN THE MOVIE.
Is no one else gonna comment on how unbelievably hot Ana de armas is?
R_J I hate to sound like that type of guy but damn she is hot as hell.
She's a goddess
it's understood. we're all some replicants.
Quite possibly the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.
So hot in War Dogs too
I was in the midst of a horrific divorce when I saw Blade Runner 2049. The first scene showing K and Joi together was one of the most inspirational portrayals of a pure, innocent love that I’ve ever witnessed. It gave me hope of experiencing something similar someday.
stay strong king
@@sIytendencies yes. You’re right.
So you want a maid? Sounds very incel of you.
Well I wish you the best of luck. Although, I would say, it seems obvious joi is an ai in the first scene. From the moment rain touches her though, the raindrops go through her and then suddenly it no longer does. From there, she, to me, started learning to be more like a real girl
I watch movies for the story and to be entertained, but practically every shot in Blade Runner 2049, is a work of art. I started noticing it from the second time I watched on to every time after. Every performance is fantastic.
As a degreed fine art painter I agree with u 100%. Every still shot I see of this film I feel like I'm looking at a great work of art. Very few movies are like this and I noticed it in college while watching the movie The Last Temptation of Christ as well.
I normally don't like film theories they tend to go off on some shred of pseudo-fact that is plausible at best. This is a whole different thing, I loved it and couldn't agree more. Thank you.
They shouldn't have spoiled Harrison Ford, who appears in the movie after like 2 hours. (It didn't even need a Harrison Ford, in my opinion). I don't even watch trailers, haven't been for years, yet you couldn't escape the fact that he's in it -- and it absolutely didn't have to be like that.
Considering the plot of *this new movie*, whether Rick is a replicant now does actually matter.
Because /spoilers/ whether replicants like Rachel can reproduce with other replicants OR with humans is a HUGE freaking difference. Maybe it was supposed to be answered in future movies, sad that it seems we won't get one.
Veronika Vartanova 😶😣😫
[SPOILERS] I think there's something tragically beautiful in how letdown K was over his [plot twist]. And it's not just a reflection of him wanting to be human or "the one", but also a reflection of his own need to find his purpose; discovering who he thought he was. In essence that is what makes him become human. Those memories gave him a soul. Deckard and Rachel obviously were not thinking of that when they created him as a decoy. But that's what they, ironically machines (well question mark for Deckard) themselves who escaped their own captivity and became conscientious, created in K. A sentient being. Remember when the police captain said K's "Done fine without one" (Meaning, a soul). In a way it's true because it's not until he thinks he has one and is uncovering the mystery of his own human life, that every existential, -and human, emotion starts to creep up on him. As it turns out, they are more trouble than they are worth in the end. Sad Gosling :(.
Everyone thinks The Good The Bad and The Ugly is about Clint Eastwood's character when in fact we learn nothing about him at all, however we learn all about Tuco (Eli Wallach) - where he comes from, what he likes and doesn't, and we even meet his brother.
I watched Blade Runner 2049 again this week & I am just blown away by how layered and nuanced this movie was. I think it's one of the most amazing cinematic packages this past generation.
DECK-ard, not DE-KARD right? Good video tho
captain jean luc dicard!
Noticed that as well. It confuses me how people mispronounce proper nouns when it is heard everywhere.
[SFW]Mark L. You’d expect him to know how to pronounce it if he liked the movie so much right?
Rick Dekard is a reference to a french philosopher René Descartes (de-Kart)
_Blade Runner 2049_ was the best movie of 2017. it’s a travesty that it wasn’t even nominated for Best Picture. SAD.
also, K is most definitely the main character, the movie is his story.
get real.
Sam T what? Not really. He play a part in the story, his life, his memories are not even his!
@@zenithquasar9623 so what ?
He is the guy who chooses. Without him Decart probably wouldnt have been found. He was the person who found him, who rescued him afterwards and who let Decart to his Daughter.
it's a paradox because even though K is the "main character" of this movie in the sense that we follow him, in the end he's just a regular 'joe' as said by joi in that big advertisement. the main take away of the movie is that even though joe is not a human, he chooses to act more 'humane' than anyone else in the movie as proven by his last act and that he died for the better cause. he may not have been the character who was "promised to change everything" as he had previously thought so but he definitely contributed to a bigger cause.
@@camille8064 - that doesn’t seem like a paradox to me, he’s just the main character outright. he’s the protagonist, he’s the POV character for the most part, and he’s the only one with a full arc. he may not be the special “savior” character he wants to be, but by making his own choices he achieves his humanity.
perhaps he’s not the main character of the implied Replicant uprising in the universe of _Blade Runner,_ but he’s certainly the main character of the movie we saw.
I just love Science Fiction excecuted properly or well, in my taste. But Blade Runner 2049 is more than just a great SciFi Movie for me. It made me feel, made me dream and think about things about my own life. Which is a great Achievement for a Movie.
Because even if you move only one person with your work, it’s worth more than anything in the World.
Donkeysmell
In a way, K reminds me of Arthur from the Hitchhiker's Guide. When Fenchurch notes he is "an extraordinary person," he corrects her and says, "No, I'm just a normal person that extraordinary things have happened to."
Hit the nail on the head imo. That was the theme of the book, the first movie, and (because the directors made it a passion project not a cash grab) the newest edition.
Is that Joji I hear in the background
no..
i dont give a damn to other's opinion. 2049 made me totally satisfied, it does 100% justice to its prequel.
Everything about 2049 like the original one is a master-piece.
if u dont like the movie then its because as what Sapper Morton said to officer k. "" because you've never seen a miracle.""
Dumbest miracle ever: replicants being able to have children. Typical Hollywood trash, where everything emotional seems to be broken down to family and children. Does no justice to the original. Dumb fight scenes like the one at the end where the hero suddenly comes back to life to save the day at the last moment, unconvincing villains nobody cares about like some female version of the Terminator, dumb and overlong monologues made only to give exposition, no subtlety whatsoever, and long fucking drawn out scenes that didn't really need to be that long. The original was under 2 hours and is perhaps the greatest sci fi movie of all time. Why did we need to watch almost 3 hours of this crap? I know at lest here I'm in the minority but this movie was trash and made for the only reason of trying to bank on the success of the original, no matter what this director says. IMO only good thing about this movie were the colors and some of the scenery, the music was obnoxious to the point of nearly making my ears bleed. Just a dumb movie overall that in today's society is viewed as some sort of deep, meaningful, cerebral work of art when really it's just a lame-ass attempt by Hollywood to make money off a sequel.
@@jfalconredskins
You know, your reaction is like the people who said Blade Runner is shit and many years later it is now considered to be the best sci fi film ever.
@@ThePowerscalingCinephile Wishful thinking on your part. The chances of this pile of shit turning into a classic are slim to none. Nice try though.
@@jfalconredskins
That's what also previous people said.
@@ThePowerscalingCinephileSo what makes you think that will happen again? I'm sure that what happened with the original was a very unique exception. Most of the time when a movie flops it stays flopped. Maybe I'll develop a cult following of people who really like it, but I seriously doubt it'll achieve masterpiece status. Why? For the reasons I stated above. It has nothing on the original and just isn't a very good movie. All it has going for it are some nice visuals here and there but that's it. Silly Hollywood plot, bad acting, laughable dialogues and horrible acting. It's shit.
Joi's "desire" to be a "real girl" is something her coding established when during the initial boot process when K bought her. Those programs have a very sophisticated personality generating routine that picks up on the wishes of the owner.
but does it matter why? She did become more than just a program. You can see her seemingly having consciousness and being curious about things even when K is away or not paying attention to her. Like how she's looking around while in the flying car, looking around Deckard's place, asking K questions about dna, the horse and las vegas
@@dariolol3565 We all watched her interact with K, and we saw her do all the things you've listed. We were also told, very clearly, in the movie, that she is a program. She is a sophisticated video game npc AI. We are told this. She asks questions! Of course she does. She looks around! Of course she does. The company that makes her, also makes the device to let be carried around. We don't know that she "became more than a program" and we wouldn't because we aren't given that information. This is one of the themes of the movie.
@wetterschneider Yes, she is a program, but not just any program. She's an AI that is able to learn.
I like to think of her as a person that just has a default personality, but that doesn't mean you can't change it. You can see how different the joi in the ad and K's joi are.
So since she's able to learn, that makes so much stuff possible.
She tells K that she wants to be like a real human and you can see she tried by comparing her to the joi in the ad. It's impossible that she was programmed to act 100% just like a human. No, she learned it. Joi in the first scene definitely looks a lot less like a human than later on
@@dariolol3565 Just to be clear - I'm not trying to be combative or argumentative or any of that usual internet crap. I love this movie and I really love this detail. I appreciate the conversation about it. It's kind of dumb that we can only do this sort of thing here on YT - and there's not a better SM structure for conversing and tracking.
The part of the story where she does grow and become more "herself" and the obvious affection that K feels for her is very important. Is she moving from simulation to "real"? We are intended to ask that. Does K really feel "real feelings" for her or is he also a sort of simulation in a fleshy body? That's also a theme of the movie. Replicants are not being treated like they are real, but we, the audience, very easily accept them as people. By contrasting our easy acceptance with the harder question about Joi... we get some fun juicy philosophical questions rolling. Why accept him and not her? Why deny her and not him? Is self a spectrum?
@@wetterschneider Great comment! I agree
I wonder if it didn't have as much cinematic success as we'd like is because people don't watch movies because they want to think and be challenged but because they just want to be either hyped or relaxed.
I thought the great idea behind K was that he was a vacuum of a character. He had his function which was to unravel the story, but personally he lived in a fantasy that he was a real boy, which became an obsession once it was encouraged. Joi's role was just to indulge his whims. Because he was using it to reinforce this idea, she would indulge him and reaffirm it.
I think I've seen this movie about 12 times now and it's a comfort to me.
I remember that the movie didn't have a big impact on me when I saw it. I was blown away by the visuals and the ambiance. It's only much later that I realised how haunting this movie is and how deeply troubled it made me feel.
One day as I was listening to Dark enough by Health, I understood something about K and Joy. In the song they say
"Does it make a difference how I feel, as long as I come back to you. Does it make a difference if it's real, as long as I say I love you"
What's real is how we feel, how we see the world. Our mind will forever be the only take we have on the world we live in.
I think that deckard shouldn’t be a replicant for the sake of the first movie I feel like what it intended to say was replicants can be more human than humans themselves and I think that the unicorn scene completely messes that up
Dempfer i agree
Blade runner is a film that influenced and has lived with me since I first saw it many years ago, I was so pleased that 2049 continued that love. The cinematography was awe inspiring as was the storytelling. Such a shame that great art isn’t more universally appreciated.
Being underappreciated is what makes great art great sometimes. Marvel will make billions trolling out money grab garbage for the masses like McDonald's whereas this masterpiece transcends all of that which makes it unique, timeless, like all great art.
In the days where you don't need to watch a film just the trailer I approve of this message
This is my favorite musing on this and I think you're absolutely right. Great job. Great, coherent, articulate, comprehensive summation.🐎
"It's Frodo's story to deliver the ring"
Sam gets no respect lol
Sam is actually a little like K too
"Just because I show a movie to someone and they don't like it..."
*shows Whiplash*
Wait, you mean someone actually didn't like that movie?
I don't speak to them anymore.
Musicians cant stand Whiplash.
JJ Ryan Exactly this. One of those films that just doesn't work if you know about the subject matter.
Everyone likes the movie whiplash. No question about it.
Edward Chester im fat
Blade Runner 2049...the reaction was, wait, it can't be this good. We need to find some things to criticize about it. Well, guess what. It's that good.
To me it was my favorite movie of 2017 followed by Dunkirk. Blade Runner 2049 was a gamble, the IP being very limited to it's audience, the first one was not everyone's cup of tea, being the reason why is ascended to cult film status. Pair that to the sequel being 3 hours long, meaning fewer runs. 2049 was an amazing complement to the first one and pushed the being human theme to another extreme, this video being the proof .
The fact that this movie was made to inspire questions about it's purpose rather than to appeal to as many people as possible is what will make it relevant for ever. I found it to be a very refreshing movie to watch.