Be CAREFUL of Language Immersion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ย. 2022
- Language Immersion, on its own isn't a golden ticket to becoming fluent in the language and here's why.
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So true! I'm an American who lives in Japan. I can be completely immersed in the language, but still not learn a thing! Adults need some kind of context to begin to learn a language. You gotta do a bit of structured learning to get the jist of the grammar and some vocabulary before you can just do a full-on immersion.
Was in Japan for a month and learned like 10 words. I learn more on anki in a single day. It definitely helps but sinking won't make you swim. Going back for a year so I'll study until then.
I believe it's just that the kind of content you could comprehend as a beginner would be so mind numbingly tedious that it's not that interesting. So adults try to immerse with stuff at the same level of complexity they would enjoy in their native language and of course they fail.
But at some point you have to take that leap into stuff you don't understand well, because even if you drill 10000 flashcards you will still be far from understanding the language.
A good intermediate step most successful learners take is speaking with people, because your conversation partner will intuitively speak at a level they think you will understand. You can do this long before you would eavesdrop on a conversation or enjoy a tv show, even in the first month if you're super keen but certainly within a year.
In two words: comprehensible input.
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Then it wasn't full immersion.
I learned a second language through 100% immersion, meaning I wasn't using my first language throughout the day, not at all.
The first 3 months is HELL, then a FOREIGN language becomes your SECOND language. And life becomes easier.
I was able to understand 100% of spoken language after 6 months, near native in one year.
I am convinced that immersion works much, much better when you DENY yourself ANY contact with your first language.
Your brain starts CRAVING a language, ANY language.
You will absorb a second language like a child, and at a record pace.
It is nothing short of a miracle.
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If immersion alone works, how do you explain all the non-anglophones living in the United States?
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Because they figured out how to get by with only basic English.
They often get a job within an immigrant community.
They DON'T USE ENGLISH in their daily life.
I think immersion works if you have a basic level of understanding of a language, or if you just need to get the confidence to use it. Immersing without context doesn't work in my opinion.
Tell dad to a 5 years old native German speaker
@@arkham5940Your kid doesn't know yet his native language at it's fullest. It's easier for kids learn a new language
It worked for me as a beginner in Korean. My first month was only intensive reading without flash cards or grammar. I’m a more advanced beginner now and I like flash cards, but still no grammar
@@adrianthecreeno flash cards? I got fluent in english without flash cards as well but I feel like it was due the similarities with my native language
5 year old native speakers probably get plenty of context.
Immersion is best at two distinct stages of learning a language, the near beginning where you need to train to hear the different sounds of the language more and recognise words, and then once reaching a pretty good fluency (around B2 level or where you meet the "pub test" level)where immersion can help on picking up words and iron out subtle pronunciation issues and to just give general maintenance. Of course it is useful throughout for constant input but I've found thats where the impact is greatest
I learned to speak very good conversational German in 9 months by immersing myself in the language. I lived there but probably most importantly, I lived with my future (German) wife. Actually, there is a saying in German that the best way to learn the language is "auf dem kissen" (on the pillow). I drove her nuts with questions.
So, I guess you're right, Steve, I immersed myself in the language, but got my "bits and pieces" from my German girlfriend. It worked.
Great advice. I started learning Spanish a month ago and I have found out very quickly for myself while immersion and lots of input is great I still need to do a bit of work on other parts each day including speaking, vocabulary revision, looking up specific things I am unsure about such a specific piece of grammar.
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Immersion is the absolute most important part of language learning. But as adults, we need a bit of conscious, non-immersive study as well. SRS, grammar lessons and what not. I think that's more-or-less what he's trying to say.
Yes but to add on that I think he also means the immersion should be comprehensible input
@@IN-pr3lwbro, at first nothing is comprehensible, until it is. That’s the point
@@arkham5940 I mean watching stuff that at least tries to be comprehensible through diagrams or physical actions
we don’t need srs
@@KnightOfEternity13 That's true. We also don't need to learn other languages either, and yet here we are. What's your point?
But of course! *Comprehensible* input is a big part of Stephen Karshen's theory of language acquisition.
I noticed that in some non European languages i can't understand anything. because the vocabulary has nothing in common with other languages that i know.
so far i only focussed on immersion it worked great for languages like Spanish or even Russian. but for Korean it doesn't work because everything is so different.
but the big problem i have now is that i am also learning a few languages from india. that just don't have any studying material. but plenty of locally made media like movies youtube videos audio books. but those assume you know the language already.
I just realized it sounds like Steve is talking about the Pareto Principle (or 80/20 rule of nature) to learn most effectively.
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Immersion works when you are in the native country of the language you want to learn because you listen and speak and get corrected on the spot by a native speaker. if you are not in that country then you need immersion plus other things.
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Input is essential, but you yourself need to make an effort to *output* in the language daily (i.e. practice *speaking* the language from day one). I speak from experience when I say that the best way to find out what you don’t know in a language is to speak it everyday. What has also quickly helped me find out what I don’t know has been my attempt to raise my son in my heritage language (Louisiana French). He’s 2 now, and I am seeing some of the fruits of my labors, though. 😊
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I think the power of immersion also depends on your personality. My boy spend a year in school in Germany when he was 6, and didn’t learn any German beyond a few words. Maybe immersion works well for the very extraverted.
Staying in a country means nothing. I learned more Spanish in 2 weeks at home than my friends who lived in Spain for years in their emmigrant/expat bubbles.
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Depent of the lenguage i am learning german and I fisrh did only inmersion without help and i can understand a lot
But japanese i can just understand the sound but not the words in the transciction or subtitules
Then if Steve talk about going to the country without the base of lenguage we can't learn much because the People not are very nice with you they have a life and they have responsabilities if you go how a kid it can work or if you go to the contry with a lenguage base you can learn there with friends because you can talk in the lenguage and the peoples are more nice because you can understand a talk a lot with them
I am spanish and the inmersion work if you not need learn ver much fast and are relax you can only used inmersion for 1 o 2 hours but if you want because you couldn't understan very much and you can't get happy but i belive that learn a little studiying to read in the lenguaje or understand the sistem of writing if the lenguage is with another system and then we can used it and somewords that we learn for we be very much emocionanted with a base of the lenguage to understand somethings or somewords
I am spanish and if i did a mistake it doesn't important because i am learning and i can improve my lenguage
But you can corectme i will learn more and i used resourses diferent that Steve but i can learn with me favorit resourses and it work, and it is eficient to me because there are more ways to learn or a lot of resourses eficients
Thanks a lot
Children still don’t learn with no context, they learn words that are said to them in certain contexts first like potty or their favorite food or drink.
I think imersion works if you're also studying some vocabulary and a lot of grammar at the same time
Just some gramma, not a lot
Basically you need the very basic vocabulary and the basic grammar. From that point you can start immersion. If you use adapted texts, it can be made from the very early stages
Or you could just watch the content in native language and native subtitltes and pound vocab with an srs. Consume media you enjoy and check up on words that you don't know. Once in a while check up on grammar. Congratulations, you've consumed hours of content daily and a few years down the line are "fluent".
That is pretty much what he advocates to do.
What do you mean "or"? That's literally the whole concept of immersion
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srs is really painful and inefficient. use sparingly
@@CaptainWumbo Inefficient? How do you figure?
Detial is so important
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Immersion is one piece of the puzzle...
Immersion is for young children or intermediate or advanced adults. Beginner adults do better with a bilingual approach to start with, then switch to immersion once you are intermediate level.
I love the concept, but like most things, application and theory are two different things...
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If you can’t understand at least 80% of the words, immersion will only work if you have a good working memory. That’s why you start with learning words. Even if it’s boring and strenuous, you’ll benefit in the end
@senbonzakura662 I am talking about listening comprehension not oral fluency
@senbonzakura662 actually it’s entirely possible for your oral language production be better than your listening comprehension. Look at half of the TH-cam polyglots that memorize strands and strands of phrases with only a basic level of listening comprehension. What I am saying is if you don’t understand 70-80% of THE WORDS then listening to podcasts audiobooks at normal speed will be very challenging. Your confusing me with saying that you need to be 80% fluent which is missing my point entirely
@senbonzakura662 I am a native English speaker. Yeah it really depends on the podcast as well
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Steve I'm not patient. Have you a suggestion this topic ??
no, it was a clickbait
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Using "immersion" it takes a five-year-old five years to reach the level of a five-year-old.
That is not true. As a 5 year old who emigrated to Canada, I learned English in a few months.
@@Thelinguist wait English isn’t your native language????
@@Thelinguist OK, how do you know that? People don't have reliable memories from when they're five years old. And what do you mean by "learned English"?
I know several people who emigrated to the US from Russia as grade-schoolers and took at least a few years to approach the English proficiency of their peers. This is in line with what I've heard about Spanish-speaking kids from elementary school teachers.
I spent several years trying to better my English through classes but my learning progress was nearly nonexistent until I unintentionally discovered Steve Kuffman's approach to assist language learners. It is quite beneficial for me.
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@@jordans2177 no, as I know, Steve is from Czechslovakia and his native was German
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You literally promote immersion by input as your main method in your channel.
What was it? Some clickbait?
He is a marketing genius. His method is really not any different to standard learning method but he sells it as if it was.
I didn't know Canadians pronounced the word "adults" the same as we Brits do.
Is it maybe a generation thing?
It all depends. I’ll say it either way indiscriminately.
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