"You're a Utopian!" - Heated Debate Over Anarchy With Michael Malice
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- In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David, Michael Malice, Adam Sosnick and Tom Ellsworth debate the concept of anarchy.
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Patrick is too confident in his own intelligence.
Yeah it's getting harder and harder to ignore that point.
Lack of. The guy might be a good businessman but this is not his playing field.
amen
Ignorance*
Both of them
I can feel Malice's pain. If you try to explain an idea that debate-me-bro's don't understand, they assume you're trying to convince them of something they don't believe.
That’s a long way of saying “I can’t articulate my childish ideology that has always failed into warring groups eventually leading to one taking over and forming a central government”. Lmao Anarchists face the wall.
example?@@mar3869
@@mar3869 If something good failed before, do you stop trying to attain the good?
Of course not.
Why would you relish violence openly?
@@KineticSymphonyIf something “good” has never worked before it’s probably not that good.
@@Priceluked For thousands of years we had kings, monarchy, slavery, etc...
What is good doesn't always work right away, in fact, human beings are quite adept at resisting what is good, usually out of fear.
For someone who idealizes Joe. One of the things that made Joe incredible successful is…letting the guest finish thoughts.
Joe also has the ability to understand the other person's viewpoint, or ask for further clarification. It is clear as day that Patrick's intelligence isn't high enough to get to that point.
Joe doesn't let guests finish during a debate...he interrupts a lot too when he doesn't agree.
@@alicedoors4826 no, untrue. Pbd exhibiting NDT vibes
Sometimes
Sales
Let the guy finish his sentence. Don't contradict the guy before he finishes his thought. This is interviewing 101. Basic stuff.
He lacks that skill. Too thin skinned.
PBD is the king of gish gallop. He doesn't allow guests to speak if he "feels" they're wrong based on his anecdotal evidence or bullshit right-wing "stats" that are misrepresented.
That's what you do when you're losing your argument, and can't articulate your points clearly
yeah it annoyed me too. one can interject if the argument gets to long sometimes and goes all over the place but this wasn't the case.
seems a bit condescending too how he rationalized why he was interjecting and how he should handle it. props to michael who took it like a man and was able to react with humor.
@@inHell-rb yes. Effectively, if you talk to me I'm going to interrupt, if for no other reason than I can. If you ask somebody a fucking question, allow them to answer. If you aren't going to like their answers - don't put them on the show. Came off as very bush league
Malice's point is basically Decentralization is ideal in his opinion.
While PBD is saying "we are making social progress in our centralized government" in his opinion.
They arent even having the same conversation, this isnt a debate
In my opinion Malice isn't a utopian . The authors of constitution were. You can not give a centralized government the power to tax , raise armies , create legal tender and legal tender laws , and oversee itself , and expect it to not grow in both size and authority . It's both illogical and a pipe dream .
Hmm, I feel like it's half way the same conversation. I think PBD is saying in our centralized government, we are becoming more decentralized towards Malice's position. Though Malice's position seems to be more for a faaar smaller amount of government than what PBD would want, so they definitely seem to have some disconnect.
Malice's point is a half-truth yes voluntary agreements are better for everyone but we literally created higher powers called governments and gods to help settle disputes within voluntary agreements. We have a legal system to settle our disagreements instead of relying solely on who has more force, either violence, money, or politic. There are situations where anarchy runs its course according to Malice's view, its called the cartels they submit to no higher power and they have voluntary agreements. Guess how they handle disputes within those voluntary agreements...
Centralized everything is the cancer of the world. Very inherent to capitalism.
@@peterhorton9063 Right. The cartels are a government that no one voted for exerting force on people. As are the warlords in Africa. Without a people's government, a government of the strongest and most brutal thrives. Anarchism is utopianism.
The message of anarchism is critical even if anarchism isn't achieved. The world has become insanely top heavy with the political machine infested with bureaucrats that rule us.
i can simultaneously violate the NAP and do the moral thing so falls abit flat
@Earth Magick Rising Agreed, I come from an "ancap" i actually think the focus and framing of all this could be the issue...it would seem to me a worldview proceeds these considerations and that there could never and should never be a sepration of "church and state" . A valuable inquiry might be something like does anarchism conflict with Islam or Atheism etc. being that the worldview supersedes.
@Lawless im saying aggression is determined by the worldview that proceeds the system.
Can someone preform an act of aggression against themselves?
@Lawless No observing that people act and hold arbitrary positions that isnt claiming to be a moral relativist.
An age of information where no one knows anything.
Drowning in information - thirsting for wisdom.
It amazes me to see how obviously disconnected from this country and the level of unawareness that so many people have to the constitution.
We are always and have always been confronted by a field of infinite inputs; what makes coherence possible is relevance realization which we do not understand. What we do know is that complex narratives hold us together and guide our actions, that those narratives cannot be cut from whole cloth by intellectuals, and that Marxian intellectuals have been destroying cultures for more than a century by dissolving our ability to select and make sense of information.
@@GrimrDirge Wonderfully put I like 😁😁
@@GrimrDirge what I’m hearing, but perhaps misunderstanding, is an aggregate of imperfect models played out over thousands of years, often unintentionally or with misinterpreted outcomes, but slowly and hopefully improved upon over time to establish a tradition and culture of stories, simple in nature but interwoven into an abstract fabric of complexity and meaning beyond our ability to fully comprehend but better understood through a practical hero’s journey, where a young man or woman inevitably looks to throw off the ‘chains’ of the narrative they have been dealt in order to find their individual identity but, over time and through experience, comes to understand the reason for the traditions, thus seeking to return to hopefully add to the narrative, with calloused hands and heart, now seeing the cracks and faults in the foundation as their own. Sorry for the run-on but I got going and I don’t feel like editing since I may be way off anyway. 😅
And the Marxist’s fixation on deconstruction is often the ‘hero’ failing to grow up and choosing their identity as holding the highest value. This fixation could have value if the foundation was irreconcilably corrupted, but the failing of the ideology is in its oversimplified view of seeing ALL systems and structures as ones of power where the majority intrinsically oppresses the minority.
Michael's point is the most salient. None of these other things matter. If the government keeps growing than we aren't making progress.
Did you see the abandoned FAA building with barbed wire all around it? How about the IRS building with barbed wire around it?
That doesnt mean u can eliminate it completely
This entire idea of eliminating government is the same thing Libertarians have been crying about for ages and that idea scares me far more than the government. Funny though, when those libertarians’ bank goes tits up they got their cup out for those bail outs from the government. Malice’s ideas are not about cooperation, it’s about do it my way or nothing. That doesn’t make progress, that makes animosity. As John Lydon said about Anarchism, “it’s a terrible idea and the ones that suffer the most will be the poor.”
@ssp yes because the poor are doing amazing now
@@bobdorsey9092 yeah, so amazing. 🙄
Malice is too smart for this podcast
and too polite as well
It's still a good thing to see him gain traction on multiple platforms, people need to know these concepts.
Dude I agree
I bet u couldn't even defend that statement if ur life depended on it.
He didn't make any real case for anarchy...he never does. He just guts the basic flaws of Totalitarianism while offering a shallow, disney'esk, utopian future.
@@whynot1548 This. I feel like he never says anything concrete. Like you said he's good at attacking the current system but not good at providing a good image of what he envisions.
Michael handled that like a prince.
Patrick loves hearing himself talk. Wait for Malice to finish a point please!
Oh, so when ur guy has week positions, and is being criticized, SUDDENLY he's being "interrupted?" 🤣
@@whynot1548 your energy is 👺
Patrick usually is good at letting guests talk. Watch the one he does with guy denying moon landing. Hes even worse. When he is passionately 100% against your view, He has a tough time not butting in lol
Self love, and a weird idea of masculinity as bulldozing.
Bro he didn't respond to a single thing, PBD was always just waiting to speak
I deeply empathize with poor MM !
I hate getting interrupted when I'm trying to explain something to someone whom doesn't understand what the hell I am saying.
Ehh, no.. if u're in a private 1 on 1 convo, sure. 100%. But when u're chillen at a table w/ the boys, you do NOT wana act like that. You look 1. soft. 2. weak. 3. bully-able 4. emotional 5. passive aggressive 6. Low ranking on the hierarchy of the table ETC ETC ETC.. trust me, never do this. Don't bring ur feelings to the table w the guys & try changin the entire atmosphere. If he jumps in & interrupts u when he feels like ur sayin somethin stupid, then those are the rules of the game/table, go ahead & act accordingly. But whatever you do.. DO NOT subtly roll ur eyes & guve a slight face grimace when uve been interrupted.. lmfao.. trust me. Dont.
@@dahnmason3243 , sounds like you really enjoy Patrick's approach.
I don't.
Patrick constantly comes across as an arrogant person, boldly stating his ignorance and making it clear he isn't here for a conversation and is not interested in suffering others thoughts, that way he doesn't have to answer to them.
I'd rather enjoy a conversation / debate between Lex Friedman and MM, or Rogan and MM . I will not bother watching another segment between MM and Patrick. There isn't any compelling or enjoyable content here for me. More for you, I guess !
@@dahnmason3243 32😂³
@@tangreen7267 it's not about enjoying or disliking its about having the social skills to play that "game" and beat them at their own game.
Frustrating as hell that they don’t understand the basics of anarchism
Disappointed in Patrick, he was a jerk to MM the entire time. Patrick even appealed to being a "big boy" about it.
The reason Patrick employed that tactic, was because it exposed the fact that Patrick is a statist
@@nealcassady1189 he's barley 5ft tall
yes most people are, so? the vast majority of people recognize how moronic anarchy is.
@@rennyskiathitis8178 Galileo in 1609: The sun is in the center and the Earth and other planets are orbiting around it.
People like you: "The vast majority of people recognize how moronic heliocentrism is."
This is just Pat being Pat always thinking he’s right and asking questions not to learn but to immediately respond and defend defend his ideas with a story regardless of what you have to say. 🤷♂️
Our country was founded on self governance. We need to get back to small government, probably stop paying them too.
As long as create an organization that has a monopoly on providing a service, it will metastasize into what you see today.
In the future people will realize we can't have a government "small" or big!
Yep. Defund the military and the police because that is where all the money is going to. And stop giving money to Israel.
What’s the point of government if they’re no longer extorting you? Might as well be free and not kinda free.
Government is a cancer
Pat was oddly aggressive, hurt the conversation
Because he is dealing with a doofus who ha never left his mother's basement.
His orange boy is losing ground and is heading towards defeat in November!
I think michael is right but ppl don’t want to hear it because decentralization means more responsibility on each individual and that means a harder life. All ppl ever talk about is how the government should be improving our lives. We literally beg for more government.
Agree! We're literally asking for more corruption. I'd argue we're closer to nazism than democracy
Very well said. I agree!
Larken Rose has pointed out that most statists are hypocrites when it comes to that, because if you're not willing to be the enforcer of extortion, violence, coercion, etc. that you support, then you shouldn't support it.
Malice is running circles around Pat. I’ve seen other people have this reaction to Malice. He’s a small guy and I think he causes big guys to want to assert their dominance. They don’t disagree and yet Pat keeps wanting to score points… fascinating…
When points go over your head.. a demonstration. Malice is too smart..
Malice is merely the Capitalist equivalent to Bernie Sanders. Being a contrarian doesnt make him smarter than PPD, or smart in general; for that matter
@@whynot1548 How is he a contrarian?
@whynot1548 i think your idea of him is way off.
@@whynot1548The comparison makes no sense, since Sanders’ career is in the sector of politics utilizing the extortive powers of government to secure his own living, and Malice’s career as an author is on topics of political thought and discourse. There’s no equal standing in opposite extremes here. Their ideologies of centralization and decentralization are opposed yes, but their ways of life in how they take action are not comparable. Receiving tax funds from extortion as a politician versus accruing a profit from voluntary transactions with customers are separate ways of siphoning as opposed to generating wealth.
@@whynot1548oh please bless us with your superior knowledge
This is like watching George Washington have a political discussion with your uncle. Michael malice is genius
💯🎯👍
Nope, but he’s definitely not stupid.
I love how all of Micheal's haircuts throughout the years all fit within the North Korean standards of haircuts for citizens.
OMG if this is true. That is amazing. I remember reading in his first book that there are something like 13 legal haircuts for men and 17 for women in North Korea. What a crazy fact, like many in NK. Insanely awesome detail to catch if true.
Lol.
I love how your attention span in conversation like this comes down to a person's haircut... Make sure you don't forget your helmet when you leave your house
@@endiurcek9084 His username is Stupid. He made a joke. Lighten up.
🤣🤣🤣
I think this is perfect example of letting people make mistakes. Most of the time PBD is a great podcaster and communicator but today he totally screwed up. Listening without interrupting and without an ego is a key to learning and being able to communicate. And Adam, sometimes just think before you speak bro.
He just doesn’t get complex arguments. He is not that smart… plain and simple. He is successful because he is a good salesman and simple minded
Couldn’t agree more. He’s always EXTREMELY patient & a great debater. But nobody’s perfect & this one got away from him
And this is a huge difference between him and Rogan.
Rogan says...I'm an idiot.
Don't listen to me.
Ptb or whatever his name is...thinks he knows better.
His show is about him.
Rogans show isn't about him or his opinions.
It's about the guest.
At least that's the impression that I get
@@jerryp6001 Exactly.
This was difficult to watch. I like PBD in general, but his constant interruptions here weren't on account of his being "a big boy," he simply denied himself hearing Michael's actual points. Had he let Michael speak uninterrupted, they'd have avoided arguing past one another. Fair play to Malice, he was very patient here (which makes the title of this video particularly confusing).
Him hiring Cuomo kinda showed his true colors. It’s like sleeping with and supporting the enemy.
I think pat is probably a good businessman but everytime I watch I think "not everyone needs a podcast"
Haha true I was thinking the same thing.
Damn. I’ve never seen PBD miss so many basic points and botch a conversation.
What?! This must be the first clip you have ever seen of him. PBD is a complete moron who doesn't listen to his guests and just mentions bs anecdotes.
Malice is explaining the cornerstone of the American Dream, which is total individual empowerment and freedom, and these guys, who are calling themselves true Americans and defenders of the American Ideals, cannot fathom what he's saying in the slightest. Truly amazing stuff. The more I watch this podcast the more I realize PBD is a Capitalist first and an Assyrian second, American being way down the line closer to 4th or 5th. If one is a capitalist, one needs a government. Otherwise, how can one play the game?
Disagree, depending on what you mean by capitalism, of course. If you mean corporatism, which is what we actually live under on the macro level, then yes, it requires the government to play favorites and pick winners and losers by interfering in and manipulating the market, but if by capitalism you mean the free market (which we only really have to some extent on the local level), then lthere's nothing necessitating any government at all. The free market is the natural state of human exchange of goods and services because it is devoid of government regulation, with the only possible exception of punishing fraud and exploitation. Malice is likely an anarchocapitalist. Capitalism kinda ceases to be a free market the more intrusively the government gets involved.
@@Tyler_W doesn't matter if we're talking about being a corporatist or a capitalist. If this your primary identification in this existence, it's wrong. Look up Ahamkara, and think about what constitutes a healthy order of identification for an individual.
I'm with Michael...nothing mentioned is actual progress. Neither side is ready to do what needs to be done, both sides just want to be the ones to control the machine instead of taking it apart.
There's nothing redeeming about his philosophy either dude
Yes, and the jab he threw at Ron DeSantis as another statist is good example, and it reminds me of the quote:
"men of all ages mean to govern well, BUT they MEAN to govern. They promise to be good masters, BUT they MEAN to be your master." -Daniel Webster
@@Lexman00 that's a great quote
@@whynot1548Grrrrr I like big government when my side is running it grrrrr
What world is Pat living in? Future looks nuclear not bright. These PBD guys are not serious people.
Liberty taken to it’s conclusion is akin to Anarchy.
Where'd u read that quote, from some 60s hippie?
@@whynot1548 My Liberty hinges upon you in no way whatsoever. You are Free to live and you are Free to die; neither of which has anything to do with me. That is Anarchy. Independence is Anarchy.
You are a confused dipshit if you think communal, codependent 60’s hippies are Anarchists.
@@whynot1548 what’s wrong with 60’s hippies? Distrust of government, personal freedom, political decentralization, local community solutions instead of big brother overreach? Sounds pretty conservative to me.
Good point
That's cute.
What do we call it when Anarchy itself is taken to its conclusion?
Anarchy requires political cohesion and adherence to the philosophy by all members in society.
We are literally in a day and age where we struggle to convince a majority on almost any issue.
The answer to one extreme expressed by government is not the opposite extreme expressed by thought leaders.
Liberty has limits, one of which is your ability to manage and maintain it.
Pat has a bad habit of taking to offense, or at least perceivable offense when someone counters his held beliefs and thoughts with very legitimate arguments.
This! I find a lot of times he puts words in his guests mouth. I think he doesn’t handle losing a argument well, and tries to discredit others by putting words in their mouth.
Right it's bad. Someone disagrees he pulls out the naive card. Then just talks all over his guest while he clearly doesn't understand their view. Even better when he says "so you are saying" then finishes it with some outlandish comment. He has no curiousity for other views.
What are you talking about. He is quite wise. Malice is a silly man. Patrick is right. We are making progess. Malice would trigger me. He is inaccurate on everything. We must illuminate the issues outside of Traditional Media. People are smarter. More informed is smarter. Wow.
@@mike-fn9vv your reply has nothing to do with whether or not Patrick handles losing an argument well. It sounds like your real problem is with Michael which is fine. You don’t have to like Michael.
@@mike-fn9vv The truth triggers you? That's too bad. You're just like PBD then.
Patrick won’t let Malice finish his thoughts and then acts like he’s never wrong because he’s “a big boy”.
It's literally the opposite of how PBD is suggesting it about 'your way or the highway'. Archism and State govt is literally that, it is forcing compliance and allegiance on all, regardless of consent.
Pat even having the same convo as Michael. I like Michael, and usually enjoy Pat, but Pat had a huge miss on this episode
Like with his talk with Kulinski, Zizek, Wolff, Pakman, NDT, etc.?
Just give Adam the day off today please!
PBD is really trying to disagree, because of this he isn’t listening to Michael and Michael has to repeat him self 3-4 times. Usually great, but he dropped the ball on this one.
Because Pat is raking in dough from suckers. Why would he want anything to change?
This is the perfect political environment for an Anarchist, especially an anarchist that understands Austrian economics
An anarchist will get destroyed if they think they can survive
Consider checking me out for political freedom posts. 👀my📺‼️
@@poli_zgaming3616 - have fun taking over the Anarchist community in Cheran, Mexico--even the Cartels dont f*** with them 🤷♂️
You can not be an anarchist and be for some structure.
Q - WHAT is the ROLE of MILITARY, & DEFENSE of BORDERS, under ANARCHISTIC (extreme Libertarian) framework?
PBD is not listening. His mind is shut.
PBD only sees dollars
The anarchist argument is dead on arrival.
Even where the anarchist argument makes sense, it requires framing. Malice gets caught up a lot on semantics and it’s tiresome. He’s not wrong when he corrects it, it makes it difficult to understand though his central argument.
I'm not sure PBD is sophisticated enough to grasp Michael's points. (Frankly I'm not sure I have always been sophisticated enough to fully "get" Michael's points.)
Michael isn't as sophisticated as you think he is. He's an agitator. Nothing more or less. He's like a very smart 5th grader. Him being taken seriously is stupid. Entertaining but stupid.
Lol Sophisticated? Malice? 🤣 grow up, u naive child brain!
Anarchy is merely the extreme opposite to Totalitarianism.
And ALL extremes are fundamentally flawed
He's not.
9:30 exactly what I've been saying. PBD is a compliant little tippy toer. If sucking the man's dick does not work, then he runs. He is a tried and proven runner, a coward. He ran from Iran, and he stands for nothing. He ran from Iran, and he will run from America. A selfish human being, who has no code, or loyalty. Atleast his guest has the balls and is not a coward.
Michael is great but his ideas will never happen. It's like discussing how you want a Truck to perform gymkhana. Sadly things are SOOOO far gone, Michael's ideas are next to impossible.
PBD cant seem to let his brain get beyond the word "anarchy" and actually listen to Michael. PBD needs to read some anarchist and libertarian literature before having Michael on a third time.
Malice nailed Pat to the wall on this one. We aren't currently making any progress, we are simply riding the pendulum back the other way after it swung as far as it could in one direction.
Pat is really delusional mainly because he has $200M. Of course everyone in his position see the same delusion.
This episode was frustrating. PBD and crew aren’t the best at conceptual and abstract ideas. They don’t have the ability to understand what Malice is saying. Like they don’t speak the same language.
Dumb it down for us dumb people since you speak the same language as him. Go ahead.
I agree
The DeSantis hype is really strange to me from some of the same conservatives that liked Trump because he was anti-establishment, which I agree was alluring.
But DeSantis is super establishment-authoritarian. He always has been. I don't understand the logic.
If DeSantis wins the nomination would you vote for him?
@@bryanperez9020 I don’t think so. I don’t want big government. I understand that a different candidate I choose would probably have no shot but I don’t want to compromise my beliefs.
Super establishment is Mitch McConnell. DeSantis' has many flaws especially when it comes to foreign policy. He is a rabid neocon, but......he he completely outdid Trump during covid and Trump is still pushing the jab. Desantis is an opportunist and I do not trust him, but you haven't given any solid reasons why he is an authoritarian. You throw that word around loosely
Anarchy and REAL capitalism seem to be aligned..
Agreed. The beauty of anarchy is it can work with whatever systems of exchange the people decide to abide by. The key is the lack of force or coercion in taking part in whatever modes of exchange one is a part of. I personally would choose true capitalism, as I view other systems as immoral and inefficient.
Not even close
@@chickbowdrie4750 anarchy implies free market
@@bogdanpopescu1401 But long term capitalism kills free markets in the end, similar to what we have now. Monopolies form and merge with governments, corruption, etc... It's still the best current system but it has its cons.
@@bogdanpopescu1401 No that is definitely not anarchy, that is capitalism.
Anarchy is literally defined as (1) having zero political authority; (2) consisting of political disorder and confusion; (3) an absence of any cohesive principle.
Capitalism means the freedom of power and wealth to the individual. Anarchy is just blatant chaos and a lack of and standard or rules. They're not even close to the same.
Pat says he doesn’t drink coffee, caffeine, or anything else but then cracks open a Celsius every podcast….that shit has 200mg caffeine 😂
Must be delicious.
@@acctsys it tastes pretty good but is pricy, I tried it and found it to be too effective...would keep me up till 3am if i drank the stuff during the day but didn't like that it noticeably increased my heart rate
@@georgerush8437 I work at a gym and we sell it there like $3.21 per can. It’s meant to be a healthy pre workout. I don’t think your supposed to be pounding them all day long 😂
IMO, PBT is trying to get to the root of something that he doesn’t understand, to the point that he doesn’t know the proper questions to ask
I wish pat would not interrupt his guest so much.
He got butthurt when malice said neither trump nor de santis reduced the size of government.
@@sevensages5279you are so right just noticed that😂
Wow, Pat, I've watched your program many times, and enjoy it, you are a real jerk on this one. A little rude. Michael can take it, but...
We must have vastly different definitions of what a heated debate looks like. I would say this is about as civil as a debate gets.
I bet you have the same definition of 'clickbait' though.
I mean the Patrick dude resorted to name calling and doing the whole "big boy" shlock. So....
Sounds like Anarchy's goal is Life, Liberty & Pursuit of Happiness.
That's not anarchy. That's the constitution
Hans Herman Hoppe also said the founders were pretty close, but they still wanted 'some government' and couldn't think of the idea of no government. Thinking they could constrain it, but it didn't work. He also thinks you can only keep freedom if there is no government. Interesting idea to give some extra time investigating.
Patrick was rough on this one. I was also shocked at how badly Malice handled it, dude is usually a cold blooded assassin. But I'd lose my cool too if I wasn't allowed to finish my thought.
PBD used to listen to his guests.
He asks a question and then talks for 30 minutes 😂
Let the man talk!
Michael just on another level from these guys
Weird that he's so less successful by every measurable meteric then. Other than self aggrandizement.
their fucken mlm scammers
@@richardnash6111 1.5 GPA
another level of delusion? 100%
@@richardnash6111 I think PBD has a great business sense but isn't great with abstract ideas. This wasn't really a debate, it was Michael trying to explain something and getting interrupted with bizarre non-sequiturs. Just two very different brains talking to each other.
PDB is in an elementary statist mindset. Very easy to see.
Jesus was an Anarchist and seemed like a good dude :)
He wasn't. It says in the bible to pay to cease what is ceasers. Meaning pay your taxes. And it says to follow man's laws.
So defienlty not. And when we are under Unger Jehova God's kingdoms we will be under a kingdom.
He's literally God, the definition of order and law, structure. Unless you're joking
He made a habit of socializing with ‘sinners’ and tax collectors, people definitely regarded as outcasts by the Pharisees.
However, to the Pharisees Jesus rebuked their double standards, for when they questioned him about his disciples eating on the Sabbath, he pointed out to them “…in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent…” (Matthew 12:5). Jesus seems to have had little patience for these kinds of inequalities. In Matthew 17:24-6, he hints at the unfairness of the temple tax. When the tax collector approaches him and his disciples upon entering the temple, Jesus asks Simon, “What do you think…From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes- from their own sons or from others?” (Matthew 17:25). The point being: of course, they collect taxes from others and exempt their sons.
Jesus allowed himself to be anointed by a ‘sinful woman’ at the house of a Pharisee who had invited him to dinner, he washed his own disciples’ feet, and he even asked a Samaritan woman for a drink of water from her cup, all things considered, taboo in his time. Jesus went about teaching that basically all people are equal; it is their moral life that should be the reason for any inequalities.
No he wasn't, are you kidding me
Jesus preached about God and his laws,especially the 10 commandments.
Wth is your definition of anarchy?
Jesus is the son of God! The Lord of Lords! The Kings of Kings! Amen 🙏
PDB will suck off Jacko Willink for "extreme ownership" ideas but wants to shit on Michael Malice for pretty much the same idea.
I once thought MM was crazy. He is winning me to his side.
Lol We're making progress
What progress do you think you're making.. Pat and Joe Rogan think they're making progress because they're making millions talking about stuff yet changing nothing..lol.
Michael is too intelligent to waste his time on this podcast. Hosts are simple-minded insurance hustlers.
Bingo
Big facts
Malice is overrated. Avg intelligence at best. Common sense doesn’t make you someone to follow. Just someone to recognize. You can put rogan Shapiro and a dozen others into that box as well. 🤷♂️
All he’s doing is making the same pathetic argument as other idiots, except he’s replacing socialism with his own version and calling it anarchy. Hence how he can’t give a real answer about where it’s implemented.
Not where, but when.
Rule #1 in an interview is never interrupt your guest, unless they're filibustering. Michael Malice was interrupted several times simply trying to make his points.
I like Patrick but this was not his best interview.
It really perplexes me bcuz of all the guest, Malice isn’t the one to be so combative and push back against
I really like Michael Malice, but he always gives this answer at the end. It's such flawed thinking, and the hard left has very similar thinking. Yes, we see people work together on a micro level. On a macro level, though? It's not nearly that cut and dry, and it simply doesn't work. You can't conflate micro and macro. If anarchy was a good philosophy for founding a society, we'd see it more prevalently in the world today. Places of anarchy have a loss of freedom, not an increase of it.
If your books on anarchy are being sold on Amazon are you really a anarchist?
I don’t know why you think this is a contradiction.
PBD thinks we are a democracy and capitalism has no equal. We are not a democracy.....we are fascist..corporations rule our government. I wanna learn more about this anarchy and its implications on society and liberty. I have alot to learn. I always believed it meant chaos...thus negative. Now I'm not sure
Wow it's amazing how much I don't agree with anything Malice has said. In anarchy if he has something I like or want I'll go take it. I was his size when I was ten years old.
Yes. And in anarchy you risk getting your faced bashed in for doing so.
Disagree all you want. That's not stopping people from taking your stuff now
I really think PBD has gone too far of late in his attempt to APPEAR assertive. He seems more closed-minded and condescending than eveelr. Such as when he cuts off Michael constantly and mocks his book being number 3. PBD name calls, goes ad hominem, and then gas lights to make the guest look like they are the socially unacceptable one.
Michaels original points at the beginning of this video are all personal choices, has nothing to do with government
I generally enjoy PBD but this was not a good interview. They did not listen to him or give intelligent feedback/discussion to this man’s point of view.
Listen to the argument put forth or wait your turn to jump in. There's a difference... 🙄
Education systems aren't education systems anymore. They're recruitment centers. These universities don't teach independent thought anymore, they teach "social correctness". That if anyone how doesn't think our way is wrong because we went to university and you didn't. We're in the future of society because the powers that be and corporations agree with us. More like you'll agree to government rule because you don't have to think about the consequences. I'm distracted so I could care less.
People are so intelligent now and aware of how the game works because the curtain has been lifted. But at the same time people are extremely lazy and don't want to try.
Telling your guest he has to be okay with you interupting him and not letting him finish a thought doesn't make it okay. It means you're aware you're being rude, but think doing it anyway is okay, because you said so.
Really Pat .
You see progress in America
The country is on the verge of imploding .
The only progress which also suits most of your business is social Media .
Cmonnnnn now
Patrick is not for the people. He's still mainstream just less mainstream enough to stay online
The concept of government has been present throughout much of human history, and its existence is often taken for granted as a necessary part of society. However, upon closer examination, it becomes clear that the existence of government is illegitimate, and even has many similarities to a religion.
One of the key issues with the concept of government is that it often involves the delegation of rights that individuals do not have. This is a logical fallacy, as individuals cannot delegate rights that they do not possess. For example, if individuals do not have the right to steal from others, they cannot delegate this right to the government through legislative rituals. Therefore, taxation is an illegitimate practice, as it involves the use of force to take what rightfully belongs to peaceful individuals. Taxation involves the confiscation of an individual's hard-earned money without their consent. This is fundamentally unjust, as it violates the basic principles of individual rights and freedoms.
Furthermore, history has shown that democide, or death by one's own government, has been a leading cause of death in the 20th century. This alone is a strong indication that the existence of government is not legitimate. Governments have monopolized many services, such as protection, parcel delivery, and arbitration, which has led to the quality of these services becoming worse. This is because competition among organizations is what leads to cheap and effective services, not a monopoly. When the government has a monopoly on these services, they become more expensive and less effective. Governments have the ability to assume power over individuals and use that power to commit atrocities and suppress dissent. The monopoly on power that government holds is dangerous and has led to countless instances of abuse throughout history.
Moreover, the very nature of government resembles that of a religion, with symbols and rituals used to manipulate and control the masses. Government propaganda and rhetoric is designed to create a sense of loyalty and obedience, much like religious dogma. This is a dangerous precedent, as it allows the government to exercise control over individuals through fear and manipulation. The existence of government is also similar to a religion, as it involves a belief in an entity that assumes the right to do things which no individual would admit to having the right to do. Government is not the people who work for it, nor is it the buildings or the police. It is an entity that assumes power over individuals and their lives, often without their consent.
In conclusion, the existence of government is illegitimate, similar to a religion, and taxation is an illegitimate practice. Individuals cannot delegate rights they do not possess, and the use of force to take what rightfully belongs to individuals is morally wrong. History has shown that the government's monopoly on services has led to the quality of those services becoming worse, and that democide is a leading cause of death. It is time for individuals to recognize the fallacy of government's legitimacy and work towards a society that is based on voluntary exchange and cooperation, rather than the use of force and coercion.
Pat looks at television and news to get his view of the world... Spend more time with regular people Pat... Not your phone and TV
What I am amazed at is Mike is only 46 years old...
Why?
I’m sorry but the host was out of his depth with this one, needed the other people in the room to validate his points. He doesn’t like being challenged on his show and this was evident. Size of the govt and it’s power has increased since covid so to say there is progress is a viewpoint far more “utopian” than his guest.
Love Malice. Dude is an entertainer. But he is terrible when he ever gets pushback on this topic.
Probably because he is used to being treated like the smartest in the room , even if he is no one has to respect him for it
I don't believe that 97% of ANY group is donating money to democratic parties. Do you mean of the .... say 15% (or whatever the actual number is) of English teachers that donated to political parties 14 of that 15% was democrats? Where is the source for this 97% of English Teachers do X?
Holy sh!t that chatgpt definition was spot on. I have been trying to teach people that Anarchy and chaos are two separate things for over 30 years now. AnCap/NAP
The people with the most Anarchy as described by Michael are the Amish.
While I don't think anarchy or a voluntary society is going to happen any time soon, I do think we should think in those times and fight the government at every turn and corner. For you anarchists out there, it is of interest to you to at least shrink the state down and you can see that as a step.
Michael Malice runs intellectual circles around these people.
Patrick you may be overly optimistic on the rate of progress that is actually occurring.
I love how even valuetainment’s own audience knows Pat is a dummy lmao. He’s in over his head.
I like Michael Malice
Self ruler not without ruler LMAO
Try again
As soon as you mentioned Biden you lost the argument
PBD is making statement for click bait
Malice mentions that he's friends with Joe Rogan in every fucking interview he does, every single one! 😂😂😂 He's such a little Rogan fan boy 😂
PBD is no different!
Anarchy would never be a good thing
If you want a country for an example just look at the United States, it was originally Anarchist under the Articles of confederation and Minarchist under the constitution…and this country thrived! Even though American government became a giant monster later on. You can also look at Israel in the Bible, Ireland, and just the economic freedom index that proves anarchy works. The more freedom you give the better the standard of living increases
90% of Americans don't realize there is Anti-Federalist papers. That's why we got Bill of Rights due to those anti-federalists.
"Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian." ~ Emma Goldman
Impressively poor interviewer.
Pat saying there’s progress being made on the vision Malice laid out as an anarchist really goes to show how conditioned some people are in wanting to preserve the status quo of ruling elites running peoples lives.
drugs should not be legalized, natural plants should be legalized, drugs should not be legalized.
PBD has some of the best conversations on the internet.... Don't always agree but yea.
PBD needs to listen more and talk less.
The funniest thing about statists is that they truly believe their appeals to emotion/authority are logical reasons for the states existence. My personal favs are "build who would build the roads?" "society would collapse!" and "but corporations would take over!"
they cry about problems made by the state and want more statism
i was with you til that last one, how will the poor corporations survive without government stimmies (either directly from the printer or subsides), it would be ignorant of a statist to think corps are being supressed by the gov.
@@nitrosrt4Corporations so far as how they’re deemed as legal individuals while existing as business entities comes from State courts. In reality where only regarding property rights and not a legislative or government judicial committee’s definition, corporations and their assets are just capital resources which are still in the possession of an owner or corporate shareholders.
It’s important to lay out how this granting of legal person hood to business entities is coupled under a regulatory environment of centralized banking, where shareholders receive inflationary funds doled put by a central banks legal counterfeiting that increases the money supply.
Anarchism in practice were it more widespread and culturally embraced would see corporations as how we know them today gutted very similar to how the relevance of governments would be diminished.