I wanted to share with you, Easy Blue and great subbies, so you can try next time, something I learned and have tested. Mycelium does not need air exchange to grow, I read on Google. I inoculated two Uncle Ben Tek without air exchange and it is growing great, only 4 days in! My experience with last year’s Uncle Ben Tek with air exchange, was contamination. The good news is, once mycelium is growing, it becomes resistant to contamination, I will keep you posted.🎉😊❤
New musher here, thanks for the knowledge !. Just fixing to put my first colonized grain spawn in my mono tub. It has little mushies. Can I still mix it up in the substrate?
What I'm finding out that the casing layer isn't necessary for all grows. I haven't added a "true casing layer" since this video. Maybe 1 more grow. Maybe just flip the lid, give them some fresh air, and that'll do the trick. Hope that helps. Check out my free Discord for more useful information! 🖖🏽👽 discord.gg/uUQdVzzFuY
I'm in the same boat and unfortunately just attacked my batch with peroxide and q-tips because I was convinced I seen spiderweb mold :( Took the lids off them and left them in the outer monotub shell and just waiting to see what happens
Hey man, curious how this turned out for you. I misunderstood the whole “casing” concept but have had decent luck the past few months, though not as many flushes as hoped. As of right now I have a couple tubs that are 100% colonized and have been that way for 3+ weeks. The whole top is white as snow. But no pins are popping. Is it too late to add a casing layer now to get the going?
Do you have Instagram or Discord? It's hard to say without pictures. Maybe you have thick overlay or your humidity and Temps are off. It's hard to say without actually looking at the tub. Join My Discord or hit me up on Instagram. @eazybluethumb discord.gg/uUQdVzzFuY You'll definitely get all the help you need there on that Discord. Thank you for your donation and for supporting my independence! You are appreciated! 🖖🏽👽
Hmmm... I always thought you mix your cvg sub with the spawn in the tub and then place a casing straight on top straight away.. not adding it ontop later when tub is colonised?
the pace that you're at is impressive I'm at the same stage with a GT box i usually do a pseudo casing layer but its about experimenting UK sees you EZB
I jus started getting into casing cubes but it def helps the surface conditons and helps get fuller canopies...cubes dun need it but it benefits greatly imho....
I lay vermiculite hot into Rubbermaid. Wait a day then add cake. Wait another day after cooking second batch of vermiculite then case w that. Burp whenever 💫👏👏👏
Hello, I recently had a stalled grow and I’m not really sure why but I read that it could be caused by conditions being too dry and low humidity because I wasn’t seeing any condensation on the side of the grow bag. In either case, I scraped off the top layer of the cake carefully and then soaked it for around 12 hours. In addition, I added a casing layer of coco based on some research. Now I’m uncertain how to proceed because I see evidence of good humidity on the side of the grow bag but do I need to mist the casing layer also periodically because that is dry. Also, how long till pins start showing up through the casing because I don’t think the mycelium will colonize it? Do I need to wait for fresh air exchange even with the casing layer until I see pins coming through, or should I be airing it out? Thanks so much 🙏
Hey, fellow first time grower here. I'm finding myself in the same position. So, from what I've read, it's a bit of a mixed message of when to mist and when to increase fresh air exchange. The main message I've taken away is that the longer it's allowed to colonize, the better and misting isn't always necessary but usually is dependent on ones own environment and the specific substrates hydration levels. In some sources and videos, they mist their coir when they spawn to bulk and case. Some videos they spawn to bulk and leave it to colonize w out misting. They both work fine in the end with maybe a little variation in speed with pinning/fruiting, but results all the same. Some videos introduce fruiting conditions when the top layer or (false/pseudo) casing layer is almost fully colonized, others when the top layer is fully colonized or (in other words) completely covered with mycelium, and others wait long enough for the surface to become covered with hyphal knots/pins. Again, in the end, the results are the same with some variation in the speed of growth and a bit of risk of contamination in the case of introducing fruiting conditions when the top layer isn't full coverd with mycelium but these cases still fully spawns without contam. I guess it really depends on one's own patience and how careful they'd like to be in preventing contamination. In the simplest form- spawn to bulk with a pseudo casing layer, allow to become fully colonized or almost fully colonized, mist once to create small dots of water on the surface, fan lightly, and then cover again with increase fae compared to when "sealed" while colonizing. Watch the container closely and and make sure there's always a 'microclimate' present by characteristics such as condensation on the sides of the bin. Some people say it's fine to mist (from a safe distance) all the way to full fruits, some people say to not directly mist, but both seem to be reliable.
It's been about two weeks since you commented. Have you seen any results? Should have fruiting to some extent. I tried growing APE with BRF vermiculite cakes with a crappy verm coating when putting into fruiting conditions that completely stalled. Attempted to scratch away the outer layer of mycelium with a fork and resoak and coat but still to not prevail. I believe it had to do with the temperature in the room I was trying to Fruit in given it was winter and the floors would get so cold that it would hurt your feet to stand on it for too long. Did everything else right with misting, allowing FAE, and using perlite to maintain humidity. In the end, the cakes started shrinking and bluing after leaving in fruiting conditions for more than a month. There were way too many variables that could've affected the grow. One of the biggest factors I feel was the temperature or sterility as the entire colonization process was painfully slow- taking well over a month, almost 2, to fully colonize the cakes which is a telltale sign of the mycelium struggling. But there were no signs of contamination, which led me to believe it had to do with the environmental side of things. Granted, though, APEs are known to be notoriously difficult to grow in general, being very temperamental, and not known to enjoy fruiting from cakes.
Totally didn't answer a few of your questions. After spawning to bulk, it should take 10-20 days to fully colonize and become covered in primordia (pins). After introducing fruiting conditions, you should see pinning (if there weren't any before) within 3 to 7 days and some taking longer up to 10 days. Should have good-sized fruiting bodies within another 7-10 days after pinning. In total, after introducing fruting conditions, one should have a full flush within or just over about 20 days or so and some cases taking up to a month at most. It varies widely depending on species, strain, and genetics. I've heard that golden teacher and Z strain, amongst others, are very fast growing and can produce a flush after FCs in 7-10 days.
@@rjennings0142 yea it ain’t easy though these guys make it look effortless. I’ve succeed in the past growing from scratch but this time around I got lazy and bought a ready colonized kit where you only need to soak it for 10 hours. Im going to try again.
No. I let them sit without opening. You wanna keep that micro climate contained. Opening it early can possibly expose your grow to contamination. Hope that helps! 🖖🏽👽
I'm having an issue. I did 3 tubes same genetics and only one tube is pinning. I never do a casing layer. Should I Iightly scrape and add a casing layer to see if I can save the tubes?
Awesome info man! Any more info on your water and getting it to 9.5 ph, is that done by using distilled water and baking soda to adjust up to that? Thanks!
Add about 1/2 teaspoon hydrated lime to a gallon of distilled water, let set for 24 hours, and test pH. If it's still too low, add a pinch more lime and test again in an hour. Pickling lime can be found by the mason jars in most stores.
How much light do you use when fruiting I have 6500k 2ft t5 Florescent it seems really bright is it to much and raises my temp also 4or 5 degrees also have led light strip from Wal-Mart that's half the brightness
Yup new growers especially ppl coming from the herb world worry way too much on lighting cuz ur coming from sumthin where light is everything to where it's one of no concern really in mycology I mean I use bar daylight across my grow racks n tubs jus to help induce pinning and give em a direction shrooms react to light but don't need it
@@EazyBlueThumb I put them in a spare bedroom. I give them fresh air exchange from morning to evening. Becuase i got scared it was lack of fresh air. Now they are just drying up🥲
I got a cheap inflatable monotub from china but to my surprise it was a bit sh1t..the lid isn't airtight..i don't know whether to risk spawn to bulk in it..i'm sure it would be fine for fruiting though..that said i'm kinda scared to use it
I thought coir is too nutricious to use as a casing layer? The mycelium eats rite through coir and it becomes a part of the substrate was my understanding of it
@EazyBlueThumb coco coir DOES have nutritional value. It's just very low compared to others and doesn't contain nitrates (which help both fungi and other molds grow)
What's up myco bro?!?! I could be wrong (as I've only used "smart" water once) i just use tap or distilled water if I have it left over after making agar, I thought after getting the smart water, if a higher pH helps the mushrooms wouldn't it also help "the ones we choose not to utter their names"? lol....this is what Google says.... For example, low pH levels can cause the substrate to become acidic, leading to poor mushroom growth. On the other hand, a high pH can cause the substrate to become alkaline, increasing mold growth and other microorganisms covering your mushrooms. And a ?...I haven't looked @ your other videos which I'm about to see if my question is answered in a follow up video, but how was your yield as compared to the "pseudo-casing layer? I've always just pseudo-cased.
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I wanted to share with you, Easy Blue and great subbies, so you can try next time, something I learned and have tested. Mycelium does not need air exchange to grow, I read on Google. I inoculated two Uncle Ben Tek without air exchange and it is growing great, only 4 days in! My experience with last year’s Uncle Ben Tek with air exchange, was contamination. The good news is, once mycelium is growing, it becomes resistant to contamination, I will keep you posted.🎉😊❤
Hopefully it's jus not that the CO2 hasn't built up to toxic levels yet...wish u success but I think this might be the issue
Mycellium like us breathes oxygen and out co2
New musher here, thanks for the knowledge !. Just fixing to put my first colonized grain spawn in my mono tub. It has little mushies. Can I still mix it up in the substrate?
Yes
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I just stumbled on your video. Good job. I have to thank you for introducing me to Mush Cult Supply. I will definately become a customer.
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Love the content! Im attempting a grow myself, just got it into substrate the other day. Very exciting new hobby. Ill be coming back to these daily
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I have no pinning but fully colonized. Do you think it would be ok to add substrate? I only have a two inch depth now.👍
What I'm finding out that the casing layer isn't necessary for all grows. I haven't added a "true casing layer" since this video. Maybe 1 more grow. Maybe just flip the lid, give them some fresh air, and that'll do the trick. Hope that helps. Check out my free Discord for more useful information!
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I'm in the same boat and unfortunately just attacked my batch with peroxide and q-tips because I was convinced I seen spiderweb mold :(
Took the lids off them and left them in the outer monotub shell and just waiting to see what happens
Excellant video my man And PGT he has an endless supply of knowledge dosen't he.
No doubt!
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this is a necessary step if you do pans. always pasteurize! why even chance all your work going to crap? I cant wait to see how it works for ya
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That's what I was working on just a second ago I was making my container and checking my bucket
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Can't wait to see how it turns out! Been wondering if it makes a difference!! Best of luck!!💯🍄
Hey man, curious how this turned out for you. I misunderstood the whole “casing” concept but have had decent luck the past few months, though not as many flushes as hoped.
As of right now I have a couple tubs that are 100% colonized and have been that way for 3+ weeks. The whole top is white as snow. But no pins are popping. Is it too late to add a casing layer now to get the going?
Do you have Instagram or Discord? It's hard to say without pictures. Maybe you have thick overlay or your humidity and Temps are off. It's hard to say without actually looking at the tub. Join My Discord or hit me up on Instagram. @eazybluethumb
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You'll definitely get all the help you need there on that Discord.
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Cool, thank you. I’ll hit you up on IG when I get home and can snap a couple pics.
Hmmm... I always thought you mix your cvg sub with the spawn in the tub and then place a casing straight on top straight away.. not adding it ontop later when tub is colonised?
@@coakley4894 did u figure out what was going on with your grow I’m having the same problem
Join my free Discord server post your pix up. Maybe we can help out in there.
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Yes! Yes! Yes! Nice job brother!
Why ? I think it duplicates the chance of contam?
Can’t wait to see the results!
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the pace that you're at is impressive I'm at the same stage with a GT box i usually do a pseudo casing layer but its about experimenting UK sees you EZB
Always love to the UK! Salute!
I jus started getting into casing cubes but it def helps the surface conditons and helps get fuller canopies...cubes dun need it but it benefits greatly imho....
first !!! lol nah nice video i was always nervous about adding a casing layer
Definitely does not get old and know the camera does not do justice I guarantee I need to get a new camera
I lay vermiculite hot into Rubbermaid. Wait a day then add cake. Wait another day after cooking second batch of vermiculite then case w that. Burp whenever 💫👏👏👏
Some of my best harvests were from tubs that I had forgotten about during hot summer days. Go figure
Oh, most definitely! Set and forget.. 🖖🏽👽
Beautiful mycelium!
So my first tub got to the point yours showing,stalled,is doing nothing,ready to send it to the flower beds,any thoughts?
Pop it in the fridge for a day or two then bring it out
Sorry, I really don't know. I'm still on my first couple of grows. I haven't experienced that issue as of yet.
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Hello, I recently had a stalled grow and I’m not really sure why but I read that it could be caused by conditions being too dry and low humidity because I wasn’t seeing any condensation on the side of the grow bag. In either case, I scraped off the top layer of the cake carefully and then soaked it for around 12 hours. In addition, I added a casing layer of coco based on some research. Now I’m uncertain how to proceed because I see evidence of good humidity on the side of the grow bag but do I need to mist the casing layer also periodically because that is dry. Also, how long till pins start showing up through the casing because I don’t think the mycelium will colonize it? Do I need to wait for fresh air exchange even with the casing layer until I see pins coming through, or should I be airing it out? Thanks so much 🙏
Hey, fellow first time grower here. I'm finding myself in the same position. So, from what I've read, it's a bit of a mixed message of when to mist and when to increase fresh air exchange. The main message I've taken away is that the longer it's allowed to colonize, the better and misting isn't always necessary but usually is dependent on ones own environment and the specific substrates hydration levels. In some sources and videos, they mist their coir when they spawn to bulk and case. Some videos they spawn to bulk and leave it to colonize w out misting. They both work fine in the end with maybe a little variation in speed with pinning/fruiting, but results all the same. Some videos introduce fruiting conditions when the top layer or (false/pseudo) casing layer is almost fully colonized, others when the top layer is fully colonized or (in other words) completely covered with mycelium, and others wait long enough for the surface to become covered with hyphal knots/pins. Again, in the end, the results are the same with some variation in the speed of growth and a bit of risk of contamination in the case of introducing fruiting conditions when the top layer isn't full coverd with mycelium but these cases still fully spawns without contam. I guess it really depends on one's own patience and how careful they'd like to be in preventing contamination. In the simplest form- spawn to bulk with a pseudo casing layer, allow to become fully colonized or almost fully colonized, mist once to create small dots of water on the surface, fan lightly, and then cover again with increase fae compared to when "sealed" while colonizing. Watch the container closely and and make sure there's always a 'microclimate' present by characteristics such as condensation on the sides of the bin. Some people say it's fine to mist (from a safe distance) all the way to full fruits, some people say to not directly mist, but both seem to be reliable.
It's been about two weeks since you commented. Have you seen any results? Should have fruiting to some extent. I tried growing APE with BRF vermiculite cakes with a crappy verm coating when putting into fruiting conditions that completely stalled. Attempted to scratch away the outer layer of mycelium with a fork and resoak and coat but still to not prevail. I believe it had to do with the temperature in the room I was trying to Fruit in given it was winter and the floors would get so cold that it would hurt your feet to stand on it for too long. Did everything else right with misting, allowing FAE, and using perlite to maintain humidity. In the end, the cakes started shrinking and bluing after leaving in fruiting conditions for more than a month. There were way too many variables that could've affected the grow. One of the biggest factors I feel was the temperature or sterility as the entire colonization process was painfully slow- taking well over a month, almost 2, to fully colonize the cakes which is a telltale sign of the mycelium struggling. But there were no signs of contamination, which led me to believe it had to do with the environmental side of things. Granted, though, APEs are known to be notoriously difficult to grow in general, being very temperamental, and not known to enjoy fruiting from cakes.
Totally didn't answer a few of your questions. After spawning to bulk, it should take 10-20 days to fully colonize and become covered in primordia (pins). After introducing fruiting conditions, you should see pinning (if there weren't any before) within 3 to 7 days and some taking longer up to 10 days. Should have good-sized fruiting bodies within another 7-10 days after pinning. In total, after introducing fruting conditions, one should have a full flush within or just over about 20 days or so and some cases taking up to a month at most. It varies widely depending on species, strain, and genetics. I've heard that golden teacher and Z strain, amongst others, are very fast growing and can produce a flush after FCs in 7-10 days.
@@rjennings0142 no go, that thing stalled and no matter what I tried it didn’t pin. After a while I ended up tossing it because I lost patience.
@@rjennings0142 yea it ain’t easy though these guys make it look effortless. I’ve succeed in the past growing from scratch but this time around I got lazy and bought a ready colonized kit where you only need to soak it for 10 hours. Im going to try again.
x2 speed save your time without loosing a quality
Did you open it at all before this video
No. I let them sit without opening. You wanna keep that micro climate contained. Opening it early can possibly expose your grow to contamination. Hope that helps!
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I thought we did the casing layer at the time of spawn to bulk
That's a pseudo casing layer when you do it at spawn to bulk... real casing is once it's colonized spawn to bulk
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@@woody6791 lol stfu... how do you become a grower without a first grow? stop putting people down you suck
I'm having an issue. I did 3 tubes same genetics and only one tube is pinning. I never do a casing layer. Should I Iightly scrape and add a casing layer to see if I can save the tubes?
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Is your coco coir pasteurized?
Yes. 7 hours or so using "Bucket Tek"
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Awesome info man! Any more info on your water and getting it to 9.5 ph, is that done by using distilled water and baking soda to adjust up to that? Thanks!
I have a Kangen water machine in my house. It can go as high as 9.5ph and as low as 2.5ph. Hopefully that helps.
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Add about 1/2 teaspoon hydrated lime to a gallon of distilled water, let set for 24 hours, and test pH. If it's still too low, add a pinch more lime and test again in an hour. Pickling lime can be found by the mason jars in most stores.
How much light do you use when fruiting I have 6500k 2ft t5
Florescent it seems really bright is it to much and raises my temp also 4or 5 degrees also have led light strip from Wal-Mart that's half the brightness
Lighting isn't super important. Basic LED or closet light will work. If you can turn down the light settings, I would try that.
Yup new growers especially ppl coming from the herb world worry way too much on lighting cuz ur coming from sumthin where light is everything to where it's one of no concern really in mycology I mean I use bar daylight across my grow racks n tubs jus to help induce pinning and give em a direction shrooms react to light but don't need it
so my mushrooms have been fruiting for over 3 weeks now and they just reach tiny growth and dry up and die... why?
Maybe too much fresh air exchange? That could possibly cause aborts. What's your setup?
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@@EazyBlueThumb I put them in a spare bedroom. I give them fresh air exchange from morning to evening. Becuase i got scared it was lack of fresh air. Now they are just drying up🥲
@lannyogarro1609 I imagine that if you provide too much air exchange, it could be evaporating the moisture faster than they are able to utilize it.
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I got a cheap inflatable monotub from china but to my surprise it was a bit sh1t..the lid isn't airtight..i don't know whether to risk spawn to bulk in it..i'm sure it would be fine for fruiting though..that said i'm kinda scared to use it
It'd be fine buddy aslong as ur grain is good u could fruit in a dumpster
They suppose to have some gaps for air exchange it will be fine I spawned to bulk in a flower pot once and had a nice flush
I've heard of people using jiffy mix as a casing layer anyone tried this and had good sucess?
Nah, I never tried. Maybe I'll make an experiment on it one day. 🖖🏽👽
I thought coir is too nutricious to use as a casing layer? The mycelium eats rite through coir and it becomes a part of the substrate was my understanding of it
Coco coir has no nutritional content of its own. I'm not really sure what you're asking.
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Yes it b3come part of it but even if you use verm the same thing will happen just a barrier to keep extra moisture inside and contamination out
Yea most people do use non nutritious as a casing. Peat verm mix. I avoid coco so it doesn’t eat up the coco. My personal preference
@EazyBlueThumb coco coir DOES have nutritional value. It's just very low compared to others and doesn't contain nitrates (which help both fungi and other molds grow)
Do I have to add another casing if I already had a thin casing of coir added during S2B ?
So it's good the pH your water to 9.5 and can I use ph up and pH Down
Honestly, I'm no scientist, I just figured they perform better with alkaline water. I can't say for sure if it works or not, lol. Hope that helps!
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What's up myco bro?!?! I could be wrong (as I've only used "smart" water once) i just use tap or distilled water if I have it left over after making agar, I thought after getting the smart water, if a higher pH helps the mushrooms wouldn't it also help "the ones we choose not to utter their names"? lol....this is what Google says.... For example, low pH levels can cause the substrate to become acidic, leading to poor mushroom growth. On the other hand, a high pH can cause the substrate to become alkaline, increasing mold growth and other microorganisms covering your mushrooms. And a ?...I haven't looked @ your other videos which I'm about to see if my question is answered in a follow up video, but how was your yield as compared to the "pseudo-casing layer? I've always just pseudo-cased.
I see the follow up sry
Зачем такой толстый слой мицелия выложен? Есть ли в этом логика? Разве не достаточно 1см мицелия?
So coir is not Psudo casing? Nutritional coir ?
Coir can be used as your pseudo casing, coco coir only has nutrients if added. Hope this helps. 🖖🏽👽
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