In this short extract is encapsulated the entirely different way in which Karajan and Menuhin approached their music! Fascinating to hear Karajan speaking outside of an orchestral rehearsal.
When deeds speak louder than words (!) Great Lesson!... R.I.P. for both... 🌟🌟 Always good to know that some people really do make a difference in this world...
Yes, but listen to how Menuhin, with his own questions, steers the conversation and elicits some wonderful thoughts about how Karajan's orchestra surprises and inspires him in unexpected ways.
So funny because this is exactly the way I would always chat with my pianist, who is much older than me 😂 me standing on the left hand side of him, holding my violin! We would talk like this for hours.
In a video that Karajan himself once produced with the help of French film director Clouzot, he advocated the ideals of professionalism in an orchestra. Karajan invited one of the rare genius violinists, Menuhin, as an interview guest and said that the autonomous collective activity ``like a flock of birds in flight'' and the achievement of that level of cruising could not be established. He was keeping that in mind. This talking is very much important about their ideal thoughts not musical phylogenetic but their each musical crystal eternal philosophy.🎉 This is also what makes it different from the musical education TV program that Bernstein hosted on CBS.
The video is probably slightly sped up, as the audio is pitched about a semitone sharp, making them sound a bit different. When they play The Blue Danube in the beginning of the video, it sounds like it's played the key of Eb-major, when really the waltz is in D-major, which is the key they appear to be playing it in. (One can, for instance, see Karajan playing a D-major chord)
HvK has a rather typical Austrian accent. Not too high brow, which contrasts with Menuhin whose accent exudes culture and sophistication, not typical of anywhere. No regional dialect, no particular place. His own invention, or variation of mid Atlantic. Uniquely his own . A perfect extension of his playing and personality.
John Culshaw called Karajan, along with Benjamin Britten, his most intelligent studio artists. I wonder if this discussion had anything to do with Glenn Gould's encounters with Menuhin? Years later Karajan would say that after all the study and rehearsal when the orchestra finally performs and he hears a sound that he never imagined prior, that this was his reward. Now I know he got that verbal formulation from Menuhin.
Well, I didn't expect them to talk about soccer! Just amused by the title. HvK 's voice, in English, always strikes me as a bit creepy- a little like Peter Lorre! Not the voice you would expect from the music director of Europe! Menuhin, on the other hand, has the most beautiful speech! Elegant, sophisticated, from nowhere in particular.
"The space between the notes" would be a great title for this brief, somewhat stilted, but clearly thoughtful dialogue. A lot was communicated here, not all of it clearly articulated.
German fluently? Isn't that a contradictio in terminis, or something? The only fluent things in Germany are the Rhine, the Elbe, beer and gewurtzstraminer, if you ask me!
This is totally my thought: could it be that Von Karajan had some kind form of autism? He seldom takes good eye contact. He speaks and jokes, but somehow he seems to be in his own world. Or was he just shy? He is the best conductor I know. Love his skills and charisma.
Karajan was an arrogant rude man. Only kind to those he deemed "worthy". I have no love for him, despite his musical genius. When my fathers manager wrote a letter to Karajan on my incredibly talented fathers behalf (he was a young violinist, concertmaster in NJ at the time, who went on to play as concertmaster in a number of orchestras both in the US and Europe and was invited to play at Marlboro festival at only 19 years old where he recorded the Brahms Sextet with Pina Carmirelli, and met my mother, a talented young cellist) asking about playing for him, Karajan wrote back extremely rudely saying "Don't ever write to me again". Wouldn't even consider hearing him. Who the hell did he think he was? Arrogant SOB. Although many of his performances, and especially recordings with Anne Sohphie Mutter, are some of my favorites, I cannot forgive him for his rudeness to my talented and humble father. How humiliating to be spoken to that way. My father was brought to meet Kreisler as a young boy, and played for him. He went to Curtis, and became professional at 16! He was an incredible talent. He died in at 52 years old, never having been truly appreciated by the classical world of snobbery in the major leagues. He played some of the most beautiful violin performances I've ever heard, premiered the Khachaturian violin concerto in Hawaii, was the first American ever to perform it with the composer himself conducting, he performed Barber concerto, Brahms concerto, Beethoven. He taught for decades. He should have had respect in the same way, an equal to Perlman, Stern, Zuckerman. Some people enjoy power, and wielding it. As a young violinist myself, the elitist and snobby world of classical music made me ashamed to participate. I heard the horror stories growing up. My mother told me endless stories of women having to sleep their way to positions in orchestras, the sexual exploitation, the favoritism that was rampant among conductors and players. It's not a pretty world. I wouldn't say there is a high degree of morality in the running of the classical music machine from a historical perspective. Racism, sexism, nepotism. You can keep it. I'll play music by myself thanks.
what do you mean " was"? it seems it's still like this today...Sorry to hear about your father's premature death, but please dont let any of the '[..isms' stop you from playing and sharing your music.
Karajan inward, groping and surprisingly was quite shy. Karajan when concentrating and interacting one on one would often avert his eyes.. Menuhin stance and eye contact mostly pinpoint steady only occasionally will avert when perfecting his point .. --A contrast..
@@browniniobrowni2074 He held a Nazi membership for career advancement. Nothing more. It's been proven time and time again that he didn't buy into Nazi's business.
@@dlhuo2340 Yes. Back in the 1980s, there was in Salzburg during the winter a kind of mini Salzburger Festshpiele organized by Pascale Montauban. Opportunities were given to lesser-known and aspiring musicians to present themselves to talent scouts and audiences. These were very intimate events taking place in beautiful Baroque style houses and palaces.HVK and his wife Eliette were always guests of honour. I met them many times in my capacity as an impresario/pianist. Also their best friend Klaus Landesman, at that time the big boss of Deutsche Grammophon. Sir Yehudi Menuhin was a friend of my father. Both studied with George Enescu. Sir Menuhin's favourite accompanist was Marcel Gazelle, a Belgian pianist who also worked with my father in chamber-music settings, albeit on a more modest level. I have personally prepared a number of student/pianists for auditions at the Menuhin School in London during the early '90s. Sir Menuhin was the most extraordinary human being I ever met. I hope this answers your question.
Menuhin having recorded the Bruch concerto in 1931, Elgar conducted by the composer in 1932, Dvořak conducted by Enescu in 1936, Schumann conducted by Barbirolli in 1938, it's faintly ridiculous to hear him being quizzed on his feelings about orchestras ...
Karajan almost seems autistic here. Just observe how he almost never makes eye-contact with Menuhin. At least not when he talks. When he listens he does.
Perhaps Asperger - communicative on the one hand, permanentaly loosing eye-contact and a bit shy on the other... nobody can surely say because during Karajan´s time, psychology hasn´t been so well developed like today - and today we could say indeed that Karajan´s behavior [look above] could be created by certain symptoms of Asperger Syndrome.
Just because you avoid eye-contact doesn't mean you're autistic or have Asperger's. Some people just find eye-contact uncomfortable. There's nothing strange about that unless you want to make it strange like many people of today do.
Nocturnal Birdy ...That´s why I used neutral words like "perhaps" or "could" [Tense of the second word: Conditional II Simple, in contrast to indicative tenses] - just read precisely...
@@SVG4ever Karajan was enrolled in the Nazi party when he was young ... so all it's possible , probably to continue the career he tried to be politically correct .
BS. Karajan married a half jew and also appointed the jewish sabine meyer the 1st woman in his orchestra and the orchestra hated him for years because of this. Moreover, his most unrivaled recordings are with works by Jewish composers
This is a role model about how to transfer idea but preserving the concept. Actually, Yehudi Menuhin is a violinist. Herbert von Karajan is a conductor. However，Both of them are Artist and Music. Like Bandari，they will get inspiration from Nature (采风). Or they know how to communicate with nature. This is why they are the general music director of Europe and Prodigy.
Karajan has an element of charm I wasn't expecting. Menuhin is simply delightful. What a wonderful man!
Karajan comes from the old Austria. High society was built on charm back then…
HVK: the rock star of classical music conductors.
too many rock stars today not that many good conductors...
I had no idea the two had ever met. Fascinating little document.
In this short extract is encapsulated the entirely different way in which Karajan and Menuhin approached their music! Fascinating to hear Karajan speaking outside of an orchestral rehearsal.
❤🙏❤️ Two Genius ❤🙏❤️
Esta conversación es una auténtica joya! Mil gracias por compartir! 👏👏👏👏👏👏💜🎶💜🎻
What a beautiful looking man Karajan.😊
And menuhin is so sweet man, like a nice child, listening from the master ❤
Que lindos 😂
The Lao Tse quote blew my mind, beautiful
When deeds speak louder than words (!) Great Lesson!... R.I.P. for both... 🌟🌟
Always good to know that some people really do make a difference in this world...
Amazing. So funny to hear herbert talk about birds.
two giants!!
Wow. This is the ONLY video where i can find mr. Karajan speaking english. I must say, herbert's command of the english language is really good.
He was fluent in four languages: German, English, French and Italian !
He learned English during the 2-year ban after WW2 for being a Nazi.
th-cam.com/video/nuJIrBNN6zc/w-d-xo.html
There is a video of him talking with Seiji Ozawa (I think) in Japan and they speak English to each other
@@papagen00 he conducted the Philharmonia Orchestra which is an English orchestra based in London for around 7 yrs before getting his job from the BPO
Great Menuhin gives the impression of a kind and laborious student interrogated by Master Karajan !
You're right! Karajan is in charge (like always)! Menuhin got much more sympathy from the audience, probably.
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Sure, he was more sympathetic and down-to-earth !
Yes, but listen to how Menuhin, with his own questions, steers the conversation and elicits some wonderful thoughts about how Karajan's orchestra surprises and inspires him in unexpected ways.
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You are right.
Thank you for your reply.
@@zbigniewbrzezinski8869 I was wondering if anyone would see or care about my thoughts...thanks for your validation!
This is so beautiful...
i go back to this video when i feel sad
So funny because this is exactly the way I would always chat with my pianist, who is much older than me 😂 me standing on the left hand side of him, holding my violin! We would talk like this for hours.
Especially if my pianist is HVK.
Incredible...! ♠️🖤 thanks for having this uploaded... 🙏🏻💐
In a video that Karajan himself once produced with the help of French film director Clouzot, he advocated the ideals of professionalism in an orchestra. Karajan invited one of the rare genius violinists, Menuhin, as an interview guest and said that the autonomous collective activity ``like a flock of birds in flight'' and the achievement of that level of cruising could not be established. He was keeping that in mind.
This talking is very much important about their ideal thoughts not musical phylogenetic but their each musical crystal eternal philosophy.🎉
This is also what makes it different from the musical education TV program that Bernstein hosted on CBS.
Very grateful for this video. Very. 😍
when you play some works, you must pretend you as the creator because you create everything. In short，you are universe.
Thank you. Very interesting!
this is the only place where i can find herbert actually speaking english.
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Here is a video of him talking with Ozawa
th-cam.com/video/2zRxi-6bkzw/w-d-xo.html
Thanks. That was actually really helpful. I must say, herbert's command of the english language is really good.
Dieses Gespräch könnte nicht besser sein!-Ich danke sehr herzlich ,das Ganze hier miterleben zu dürfen. Ursula
Great !
Mind blown
Wow. First time I've heard Karajan talk. He does not sound how he sounds if you know what I mean.
Yeah. And Tchaikovsky'voice sounds like this too. They have solemn faces and majestic music, but the voice is a bit different.
The video is probably slightly sped up, as the audio is pitched about a semitone sharp, making them sound a bit different. When they play The Blue Danube in the beginning of the video, it sounds like it's played the key of Eb-major, when really the waltz is in D-major, which is the key they appear to be playing it in. (One can, for instance, see Karajan playing a D-major chord)
HvK has a rather typical Austrian accent. Not too high brow, which contrasts with Menuhin whose accent exudes culture and sophistication, not typical of anywhere. No regional dialect, no particular place. His own invention, or variation of mid Atlantic. Uniquely his own . A perfect extension of his playing and personality.
John Culshaw called Karajan, along with Benjamin Britten, his most intelligent studio artists. I wonder if this discussion had anything to do with Glenn Gould's encounters with Menuhin?
Years later Karajan would say that after all the study and rehearsal when the orchestra finally performs and he hears a sound that he never imagined prior, that this was his reward. Now I know he got that verbal formulation from Menuhin.
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Well, I didn't expect them to talk about soccer! Just amused by the title. HvK 's voice, in English, always strikes me as a bit creepy- a little like Peter Lorre! Not the voice you would expect from the music director of Europe! Menuhin, on the other hand, has the most beautiful speech! Elegant, sophisticated, from nowhere in particular.
@@ieditedmyname289 no , sorry. Football is football. All soccar is women's soccar.
"The space between the notes" would be a great title for this brief, somewhat stilted, but clearly thoughtful dialogue. A lot was communicated here, not all of it clearly articulated.
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Why didn't they talk in German ! They obviously could speak it fluently 😁😁
Because it was for the English audience.
So I could easily understand them. 😂🎻🍀😍
German fluently? Isn't that a contradictio in terminis, or something? The only fluent things in Germany are the Rhine, the Elbe, beer and gewurtzstraminer, if you ask me!
This is totally my thought: could it be that Von Karajan had some kind form of autism? He seldom takes good eye contact. He speaks and jokes, but somehow he seems to be in his own world. Or was he just shy?
He is the best conductor I know. Love his skills and charisma.
Why? Because he seems shy? He was just introverted.
@@mauryq2150 maybe he was. What ever it was, he has been my all time favourite of conductors.
Герберт Караян и Иегуди Менухин беседуют о Музыке!!!..
Totally convention, if not quite naive, reflections by two artists who ought to be able to offer up something beyond the predictable, the mundane.
Thank you for your enlightening analysis.
Karajan seems so shy and painfully embarrassed to speak that I fully believe Christa Ludwig when she says he used to stutter badly in his youth!
Interesting
Indeed. Ludwig also said that he was basically a shy man in general.
Ludwig also remarked that Karajan always looked down
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Karajan was an arrogant rude man. Only kind to those he deemed "worthy". I have no love for him, despite his musical genius. When my fathers manager wrote a letter to Karajan on my incredibly talented fathers behalf (he was a young violinist, concertmaster in NJ at the time, who went on to play as concertmaster in a number of orchestras both in the US and Europe and was invited to play at Marlboro festival at only 19 years old where he recorded the Brahms Sextet with Pina Carmirelli, and met my mother, a talented young cellist) asking about playing for him, Karajan wrote back extremely rudely saying "Don't ever write to me again". Wouldn't even consider hearing him. Who the hell did he think he was? Arrogant SOB. Although many of his performances, and especially recordings with Anne Sohphie Mutter, are some of my favorites, I cannot forgive him for his rudeness to my talented and humble father. How humiliating to be spoken to that way. My father was brought to meet Kreisler as a young boy, and played for him. He went to Curtis, and became professional at 16! He was an incredible talent. He died in at 52 years old, never having been truly appreciated by the classical world of snobbery in the major leagues. He played some of the most beautiful violin performances I've ever heard, premiered the Khachaturian violin concerto in Hawaii, was the first American ever to perform it with the composer himself conducting, he performed Barber concerto, Brahms concerto, Beethoven. He taught for decades. He should have had respect in the same way, an equal to Perlman, Stern, Zuckerman. Some people enjoy power, and wielding it. As a young violinist myself, the elitist and snobby world of classical music made me ashamed to participate. I heard the horror stories growing up. My mother told me endless stories of women having to sleep their way to positions in orchestras, the sexual exploitation, the favoritism that was rampant among conductors and players. It's not a pretty world. I wouldn't say there is a high degree of morality in the running of the classical music machine from a historical perspective. Racism, sexism, nepotism. You can keep it. I'll play music by myself thanks.
what do you mean " was"? it seems it's still like this today...Sorry to hear about your father's premature death, but please dont let any of the '[..isms' stop you from playing and sharing your music.
Karajan doesn't look at him much . . . interesting.
It's because he is trying to translate his native tongue to english
Karajan inward, groping and surprisingly was quite shy. Karajan when concentrating and interacting one on one would often avert his eyes.. Menuhin stance and eye contact mostly pinpoint steady only occasionally will avert when perfecting his point .. --A contrast..
It is because von Karajan is trying to not be disgusted by the jew
@@browniniobrowni2074 Bizzare/obsessive comment. His 1st wife was half Jewish and some of his closest associates were.
@@browniniobrowni2074 He held a Nazi membership for career advancement. Nothing more. It's been proven time and time again that he didn't buy into Nazi's business.
Please watch it carefully and rethink again and again. Maybe, you will be the next Richard Feynman or Chien-Shiung Wu.
Menuhin is such a more profound man than HVK. His articulation, his demeanour is superior.
Did you know both men personally?
@@dlhuo2340 Yes. Back in the 1980s, there was in Salzburg during the winter a kind of mini Salzburger Festshpiele organized by Pascale Montauban. Opportunities were given to lesser-known and aspiring musicians to present themselves to talent scouts and audiences. These were very intimate events taking place in beautiful Baroque style houses and palaces.HVK and his wife Eliette were always guests of honour. I met them many times in my capacity as an impresario/pianist. Also their best friend Klaus Landesman, at that time the big boss of Deutsche Grammophon. Sir Yehudi Menuhin was a friend of my father. Both studied with George Enescu. Sir Menuhin's favourite accompanist was Marcel Gazelle, a Belgian pianist who also worked with my father in chamber-music settings, albeit on a more modest level. I have personally prepared a number of student/pianists for auditions at the Menuhin School in London during the early '90s. Sir Menuhin was the most extraordinary human being I ever met. I hope this answers your question.
Which year was that?
Menuhin having recorded the Bruch concerto in 1931, Elgar conducted by the composer in 1932, Dvořak conducted by Enescu in 1936, Schumann conducted by Barbirolli in 1938, it's faintly ridiculous to hear him being quizzed on his feelings about orchestras ...
Karajan almost seems autistic here. Just observe how he almost never makes eye-contact with Menuhin. At least not when he talks. When he listens he does.
Quotenwagnerianer Well let's understand that he was a very shy person!
Perhaps Asperger - communicative on the one hand, permanentaly loosing eye-contact and a bit shy on the other... nobody can surely say because during Karajan´s time, psychology hasn´t been so well developed like today - and today we could say indeed that Karajan´s behavior [look above] could be created by certain symptoms of Asperger Syndrome.
Just because you avoid eye-contact doesn't mean you're autistic or have Asperger's. Some people just find eye-contact uncomfortable. There's nothing strange about that unless you want to make it strange like many people of today do.
Nocturnal Birdy ...That´s why I used neutral words like "perhaps" or "could" [Tense of the second word: Conditional II Simple, in contrast to indicative tenses] - just read precisely...
Why speculate "neutrally" about Karajan's hypothetical syndromes here at all? Don't you have anything better to do?
Dafuq you people mean Germans have no passion?
"Germans have no passion/no fantasy/etc."
Anyone who has had just a tiny glimpse of German history knows this to be wrong. The opposite is true even.
@@topophil Germans had passion and fantasy, but turned to the very dark side 1933... sadly, yes
They are good food worms
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Karajan despises the jew. He can smell him
nonsense
@@SVG4ever Karajan was enrolled in the Nazi party when he was young ... so all it's possible , probably to continue the career he tried to be politically correct .
BS. Karajan married a half jew and also appointed the jewish sabine meyer the 1st woman in his orchestra and the orchestra hated him for years because of this. Moreover, his most unrivaled recordings are with works by Jewish composers
If that was true he would not have performed with so many Jews. Karajan was an opportunist
@@Yves_Ka not to mention his principal recording producer: Michel Glotz.
This is a role model about how to transfer idea but preserving the concept. Actually, Yehudi Menuhin is a violinist. Herbert von Karajan is a conductor. However，Both of them are Artist and Music. Like Bandari，they will get inspiration from Nature (采风). Or they know how to communicate with nature. This is why they are the general music director of Europe and Prodigy.
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