@@pablokestarx5901 he’d need 252 ev plus speed nature and a choice scarf to out speed 252 plus speed deoxygenated speed. That boy not only ev trained but in designer clothes too apparently
Agreed, Win Rates don't necessarily show the Pokemon's true standing in power, especially when the Anime is inconsistent with portrayal of Pokemon's strengths.
I understand that it wouldn’t really help with the electric weakness but like rowlet took on its final evo and won plus if ever evolved could let some ghost and maybe even dark type move
Loving how Ash’s ultimate team not only has one of each starter type, but the three starters are from different regions Also I really like how Infernape is plausible switch-in for Lucario, but the team might need to be reconfigured a little so it doesn’t contain 2 fire types
Even for how nostalgic one might be for infernape I don't think he can fit the bill of ashes second biggest star in the world tournament and as you mention it has a type overlapse
Technically 4 starters, 2 from Kanto if you count Pikachu which I feel like most poke forums do, but I still agree otherwise. A pretty awesome mix of regions and starters
Not to mention fully - evolved starter types. The three of the respective types are fan favorites too and served as their ace Pokémon whilst on the team.
I think a big part of Sceptile's Winrate problem is that A He had a lot of bad matchups he had to be used in the FIRE Gym in Hoenn as a Treeko After all and B:For a portion of time after evolving Sceptile was unable to use Grass Type Moves and C:He had the disadvantage of having a longer running story arc planned for him so throughout all of Hoenn he was stuck as a Grovyle, not at his full potential even in the League which prbobably would have helped a lot
Thats why you can never use win/loss rates for video's like these, since these are always flawed. Main example is Sawk vs Leavanny and Krookodile. Ash flat-out admitted he choose Leavanny to weaken Sawk, so Krookodile could take it down, which already means Leavanny should get that win also added to its win/loss ratio, since it was a combined effort and Krookodile couldn't have delivered the final blow without it.
@@nickdentoom1173 its the same gambit as Sceptile honestly, it took a lot of Ash's team to weaken the Darkrai and really it was just Sceptile who managed to bring in the finishing blow. It's like in competitive video game Pokemon, such as with Glimmora, a standard lead Pokemon and sometimes its utility of having a bunch of hazards laid out makes it a vital role EVEN IF it's supposed and ends up fainting. The sheer volumes of difference between Glimmora teams winning vs. Glimmora itself fainting is a huge gap that proves individual win rate is kinda pointless when there's TEAMS of Pokemon.
@@nickdentoom1173 yeah agreed, its not a good metric since well... These are living creatures that have been trained up to where they are, of course they're gonna have losses especially early on. They dont start out fully evolved and ready to scrap against champion level opponents. These win/loss percentages arent good measurements since many of these mons start out weak or are placed on bad matchups and have to take Ls for certain character arcs too. Or sometimes its just Ash getting outplayed in the moment in terms of strategy lol.
@D Was the best time that Leaf Blade came in clutch with that high critical hit rate ratio. Not to mention it was two consecutive hits I think if recall right so possibly two crits.
With Charizard Infernape and Incineroar all being worthy contenders for this team, along with Talonflame also being quite the solid Pokemon in it's own right, I think I'm starting to realise what the anime's favourite type is (Torkoal being a very large outlier).
I mean that's not surprising. Fire is usually the go to element for most Heroes. Fire tends to be the first spell Mages learn too. Fire is associated with Strength, Power & most importantly Bravery/Courage.
@MrOrbsome yeah, he has a lot of flying Pokemon and that too he has it in every series: Butterfree, Pidgeot, Charizard, Noctowl, Swellow, Staraptor, Gliscor, Unfeasent, Talonflame, Noivern, Hawlucha, Rowlet, Dragonite, In X and Y 3 out of his 6 Pokemon were flying type
Reminder that Sceptile not only defeated a Darkrai. He defeated a Darkrai that apparently had never lost a fight. The anime states that Tobias beat all the gyms with only his Darkrai and Ash was the first person to push Tobias to his second mon. Even the guy who fought Tobias in the finals didn't manage that. Sceptile absolutely deserves a spot.
@@mohammadmurie it is even rumor to say that he have more legendary in his team so even if ash Pikachu had defeated latios, he would had to faced a few other legendary
Yeah Tobias Solos the rest of the tournament with Darkrai most pokemon got one shot. I believe it's stated Tobias went on to lose to Cynthia tho in another season.
after all, according to every single second of Pokemon sword, he IS the CHAMPION of the galar region and IS the greatest CHAMPION ever, according to Hop, said 2495180 times
I never thought about it before but Ash's Grass types have all been pretty solid with one or 2 things holding them back a bit. Bulbasaur probably hasn't seen much training from being Oak's park manager. Sceptile has the win rate problem, Bayleef can struggle somewhat beyond mid level battles, Snivy seems to be highly experienced but probably the only one out of the pile that would've super benefitted from even 1 evolution, Leavanny had a lot of potential but little usage and Rowlet has a bit of a sleeping problem.
@@casualknight8962 He lasthits the Darkrai, it toke 4 or 5 of ashes pokemon to take that Darkrai down, not comparable with, for example, Charizard, that 1v1 an articuno (yes, with type advantage, but still impresive, especially considering that it was capable of also 1v1 Garys blastoise with the disadvantage).
@@xabierarana2645 It only took 3 of Ash's Pokemon (Heracross, Gible, & Sceptile) to take out Tobias' Darkrai, Latios took out Sceptile, Torkoal, Swellow, & Pikachu. EDIT: Nevermind, I'm an idiot, Torkoal was taken out by Darkrai.
I agree with this largely, but with Lucario, your forgot something that makes him even better... he can use the Spirit Bomb Aura Sphere which is a mega powered Aura Sphere.
Unfortunate about Leavanny. He, and Krookodile, are the best of the Unovan mon used by Ash but unfortunately suffer from under-usage common to the Gen 5 mons Ash collected
Leavanny had insane battlesense. I mean as a Sewaddle it was very aggressive so it stands to show that it was suited for battling. Man. Those 2 really were his mvps.
@@castform7 yeah, I think that's another problem from them trying to copy Kanto. Ash got a lot of Pokemon there too, but you could easily take Pokemon like Kingler, Primeape, Muk and Tauros out of the story and barely anything changes.
10:21 - Chimchar’s special Blaze is actually inherent, which was Paul’s sole reason for initially catching it. All Infernape’s special bond with Ash did was let him control Blaze effectively rather than succumb to abrupt fits of being a mindless berserker when beaten into the sort sometimes.
One annoying thing about this is that the very first time we saw Chimchar activate Blaze was when Paul battled Roark and there was nothing special about it. Chimchar didn't go berserk and it was literally crushed into the ground by Roark's Cranidos. The writers should have planned out the Blaze arc better.
I feel like Krookodile could be a strong contender for that final spot. The guy was a powerhouse when it evolved. It’s got a very enticing moveset, too, having used Dig, Bite, Crunch, Stone Edge, Aerial Ace, and Dragon Claw. It barely even needs its team to cover most of its own weaknesses! Plus, a key factor in Ash’s skill as a trainer is through creative use of his team’s moves, and I always remember that one time Ash had Infernape use Dig as part of a strategy to remove Toxic Spikes and land a hit on a Ninjask. Applying that kind of creativity on a Pokémon more proficient at digging like Krookodile could be devastating.
I like this team. But now I'm thinking about how neither Greninja nor Goodra are part of Ash's team anymore and now I'm questioning what the replacement for them could be.
It will find it difficult to make it to this team but I feel like Lycanroc needs to be on this team somehow as it won Ash its first regional league and was Ash's ace pokemon in Alola Plus it has the never before discovered dusk form
IMHO, Leavanny might be an underrated pick. Leavanny had beaten several Pokémon it had a type disadvantage to, such as some wild Durant, Burgh’s Dwebble and Whirlipede (which was done as as a Sewaddle and evolved into Swadloon while fighting Whirlipede), Roxy’s Koffing, and almost beat her Whirlipede. The moves it learned are also pretty good with X-Scissor, Energy Ball, and Leaf Storm being pretty strong moves and String Shot is relatively strong in the world of the Anime.
Going through and watching the entire series (just finished gold and silver), I would say Bayleef's win rate is less impressive. I can't recall too many battles where it performed exceptionally, and in some cases it still faltered. If Bayleef was added to a team with some of Ash's other closely bonded teammates I would be worried about it's personality getting in the way. In the anime Bayleef has this jealous feeling that makes it where any person or pokemon that gets close or shares a moment with Ash sends it into a rampage, usually towards Ash. If Bayleef saw Ash's battle bond with Greninja, mega evolution with Lucario, or even Ash hugging Pikachu like he does many times in the gold and silver anime, Bayleef could cause a ruckus that might hurt them as a team. I love Bayleef, but I think it still needs some growth before it can be considered. Bulbasaur is a great mediator pokemon, shown many times to stop ally pokemon fights and team squabbles, but it's small size and lacking moveset make it hard to back. I can't say anything for Sceptile, but based on his other choices I think it's the right pick. Torterra is another pokemon on Ash's team I'm unfamiliar with, but I can see why it might have been disregarded. It's really interesting to see the early "difficulty" choices for starters shown in the grass types. Many cite Grass/Bulbasaur as the "Easy" mode in Red/Blue since it does so well in the early battles but struggles later when you likely have teammates to pick up the slack. Here almost all grass types/starters Ash uses start great and end with more losses as they are unable to keep up with what they're up against. Not to say the Grass type starters are all bad, but it is interesting to see some of his starters follow that principle.
Bulbasaur's big thing with RBY is actually the selection of Gyms. All four types Grass has an advantage to (Rock, Ground, Water, and the Electric resistance) are mandatory bosses, and its Poison Typing even helps vs. Erika, the Grass Gym Leader. It's just set up to succeed in Kanto.
I’m a bit iffy with Goodra’s inclusion, since the only wins it ever got weren’t *that* impressive compared to the rest of the Pokémon on this team, but I overall agree with this!
Goodra is also Ash's only Pseudo-Legendary. Granted, he's also owned an Ultra Beast and still owns a Mythical Pokemon but Melmetal's move pool sucks apart from Double-Iron Bash and Naganadel does have the Ground weakness which means, along with Pikachu and Lucario, half of Ash's team could potentially be wiped out by a single Ground type. Granted, that Ground type would need to be as strong as Cynthia's Garchomp to deal with all 3 of them but the point still stands.
11:57 i throught and its between Torterra and Septile. The 2 deciding factors are 1. Torterra get Worse from Evolving and 2. Wether Mega Sep is on the Table. If Yes to Mega, Septile with its Dragon type makes it Resistant to Electric so its clear cut. But Mega Sep off the table means wether Grounds immunity to Elec out weighes Torterra’s Skill down grade. Also to note: both Mega Sep and Torterra give 4x Ice weakness so worse Ice defense is a given
I'm still not 100% on Goodra being here, but I can see why it is. It covers a lot of weakness. I would have thought Snorlax would have deserved a spot over it, but the resistances take a huge hit and you get a third weakness to fighting.
You made the exact same team as I did! A few months ago I wanted to make a team with Ashs best Pokemon on it for fun, and I chose all of these! My reasoning was typing and their connection with Ash, but you looked at moves and win/loss ratios as well. Great video!
For Ash Ketchum’s all star team, the last lineup that I recorded trying out was Melmetal, Mr. Mime, Donphan, Noivern, Sirfetch’d, and Incineroar. I didn’t consider Goodra nor Greninja, for these are Pokémon he’s officially released. Pokémon like Primeape and Squirtle, which are still technically under his own ownership though they’re under the control of another trainer I also didn’t consider, though I personally have a special place for Primeape. I also used sets recommended as the most competitively viable, though for some - such as Palpitoad and Bulbasaur - I created my own personalized sets. I won’t lie, I was last playtesting this team a while ago(it would seem as I still need to try Pidgeot) but I still hold favor for this final team. For such as yourself, in the considering purely from the apparent moveset and win/lose ratio from the anime, your choices seem the most logical - though I would not hold room for Ash’s officially released Pokémon, as I’ve said. Overall, a fairly nice team you've made, in the end.
I'd say Ash's best team is Pikachu, Sceptile, Greninja, Charizard, and Lucario. The 6th slot is a toss up depending on the situation, but those 5 are the auto includes.
A big problem with this team is the lack of scaling. For instance while yes Sirfetch’d and the rest of Ashes Journeys team has a low win rate compared to the others, you could argue that since some of there losses come from champion level Pokémon such as Cynthia’s Garchomp and Leon’s Rillaboom the win rate system may be flawed. For example Sirfetch’d fought very well against one of the strongest Pokémon in the show being Cynthia’s Garchomp. I just don’t see Goodra accomplishing that. Since Sirfetch’d doesn’t work well typing wise due to lucario I would recommend using Gengar since it has been very powerful fighting against some of the worlds strongest Pokémon and it can Gigantamax.
It really shows how much he has grown and bring out the best out of his Pokémon. He really is a Pokémon master. Pikachu, Lucario, Ash-greninja, are all Pokémon that he has bonded and traveled. If I want to battle him I would need to borrow some of his and my family others too. On hand: Snowy, Megearna, and Nihilego. Borrow: Solagleo, Lycanroc, and my mother Clefable I’m using more of anime team. But with Ash Lycanroc, it’s a pokemon that he trained up and part of his champion team. I’m bringing out using a Ultra Beast and legendaries.
Ash Lycanroc? that form of Lycanroc is technically called "Dusk Lycanroc" as it evolves in the evening, and while it is liekyl confusing (its basically just a larger Midday Lycanroc with a spiky haircut like that of Midnight Lycanroc's), it's not in a similar caliber to Ash Greninja
Having one starter of each type, each from a different generation, with a mega Lucario and a pseudo legendary? Alongside the world’s strongest Pikachu? Yeah, this is a pretty peak team right here.
Seismic Toss didn't just win Charizard "a couple of fights". It was 1 of his 2 signature moves, the other being Flamethrower. Black and White scrapped it but getting rid of Seismic Toss is like getting rid of Ash's Krookodile's Sunglasses. Sure, you can do it but there's always going to be a sense that something's missing.
You keep going on about Sceptile taking out a darkrai but that darkrai was weakened a lot by other pokemon before it, but otherwise this team seems pretty right
Yea but its still a team effort. I know Lucario won a lot of battles, like Garchomp... but Sirfetch and the rest helped weakened it. So its not straight up the best metric
@@probablyseth3565 That darkrai is not just any ordinary darkrai, he survives super effective Mega horn attack from Heracross and repeatedly attacks back with Dream Eater and dream Eater also hit heracross and darkrai hit it with a super effective attack, Sceptile manages to get up from the dark void is a really insane feat too...Leaf blade looks like a critical hit on darkrai and it shows an advantage in using a sceptile because he has a move with a ratio of high critical chance! Oh don't forget sceptile got hit with ice beam too (if I'm not mistaken)
Knowing it’ll be the last ash Ketchum outro 😢 but mate this was a fantastic video!! Loved the editing and the quality and it’s always fun to see you guys come together to create something awesome! Great team!!
I think I'd take Melmetal over Goodra to cover gen 7 as well when he won the league + having a mythical is pretty nice. It can gigantamax as well. Goodra Dragonite Infernape Incineroar Krookodile and Snorlax are amazing back-ups.
You wouldn't believe how happy Goodra being on the team made me! Goomy is my favorite Pokémon and I always see it, and it's evolutions being crapped on, but using them for myself it has been so good! I try to get a Goomy as soon as possible when playing and I'm so glad that Ash got one! 😄 9:23 just incase something happens and Goodra gets removed.😅
Im sorry, but i dont think Goodra should be on this team despite the dragon typing being a solid type to the team. I would have swapped it for another candidate like Solgelao (if he counts) or Snorlax potentially.
Think winrate is a bad indicator, as a lot of fights aren't done at their current/peak power level, think feats would have been much better choice, a win/tight loss against a legend, is much more impressive then 50 wins against ratata.
Personally, if ash continues to make future appearances, I would love to see the continuation of him rotating his team around. I feel like his greatest strength is growing so close to each of his Pokémon (minus gen 5 I feel like we really lacked with some of those team members) and I would love to think he values them as strong enough to each take part on his team once in a while.
Something that TGS Anime did when he did his series of duelist rankings (YGO) is doing a rank sort of the trainers based on different criteria, including not just win/loss ratio, but also number of duels attempted, giving the idea that the "best" duelist isn't someone who wins one duel and then never duels again. You could translate that as "battle experience" - a Pokémon who battles a lot may have an edge against a Pokémon who has few battles but won most of, if not, all of them.
Ash also has a rowlett which seemed to be missed when listing his grass Pokémon. I don’t think it should make his best team, but I was still surprised to see it missing.
@@GalvaV2 They listed snivy though, and that was in discussion as among Ash’s worst Pokémon. If it was just the best that would be one thing, but I got the impression they were trying to do a complete list then.
That Darkrai feat for Septile is a lot more impressive then you are making it out to be..... remember, it's not just any old Darkrai, it was a Darkrai that soloed literately EVERY OTHER CHALLENGE in the Sinnoh League by itself, EXCEPT for Ash, because Septile stopped it. That Darkrai's ONLY loss was against Ash's Septile... and I doubt it was getting softened up much by the folks right before it, Torkal was one of them and it was healing up with Dream Eater.
One line alone "We can't know for sure unless we go back and watch every single battle these Pokemon have taken part in." Yes, that's EXACTLY what needed to be done. Such a strong focus on win rates and types really shows neither of you truly understands what you're talking about when it would come to making Ash's strongest team in the anime. These arguments might be nice for GF developers to create an NPC Ash in like a Battle Tower format or something or stick him at the top of Glaseado Mountain as a post-game boss fight, but NOT to create his actual strongest team. Who cares if Goodra beat a bunch of jobbers in XYZ? Ash's Dragonite wholly outclasses it in battles. Who cares about Primeape's win rate? Ash's Sirfetch'd is in a league of its own and is unfortunately overshadowed by the favoritism of Lucario, but Ash's Sirfetch'd made it possible to overcome Cynthia's Garchomp, it made it possible for Ash to defeat Leon as well. Ash's Journeys team might have the least amount of screen time overall, but they're arguably contenders for Ash's strongest team by default, as they're the ones that overcame Leon the undefeated gigachad and Cynthia the #2 best trainer in the world. With some minor tweaks allowing for Ash-Greninja, perhaps in place of Dracovish, and Ash's strongest team should really consist more of Pikachu, Greninja(cutting out Dracovish, who is still a worthwhile contender otherwise), Mega Lucario(unfortunately cutting out Sirfetch'd), Charizard/(unfortunately cutting out the technically stronger Infernape), Sceptile/Gengar/Dragonite and THEN take those strongest Pokemon's types into consideration and be left with Pi, AG, ML, Ch, Ge + Dr if but Ground and Rock become a bit noticeable even if covered by other mons, or Sc + Dr if a mutual ice weakness is of no concern because Sceptile then helps remedy the other remaining Ground and Rock weaknesses well enough that it wouldn't be a big deal for the team. The fact that Ash's pathetic Bayleef was even brought up in the same league as Bulbasaur and Sceptile because of its stupid winrate is telling of the ignorance needed to put it on the list. Bulbasaur earned its high winrate with experience, and Sceptile is known to be powerful in spite of its winrate, Bayleef is unreliable despite its winrate, when the going gets tough some mons just don't make the cut. You're ignoring Major League Baseball players for Little League players because the Little League players had more wins and made more runs? Come off it.
If you ever want to tackle this question again, maybe have Ash's best possible Team in each generation. Granted, I doubt that Gen 5 would change his best team from Gen 4.
I feel like focussing on the win/loss ratio too much might be a mistake. For starters, evolved Pokémon have grown a lot stronger than when they were in their first or second stage and it might be worth just checking their last ten matches to see how well they've been doing. Sceptile is the prime example. It beat a Darkrai in Sinnoh but probably lost a lot more battles when it was just a Treecko.
I like to look at more than just win rates basically how well they done in battles even if they didn't win & other areas of strength so my list will include other pokemon you didn't mention e.g. dracovish (impressed with its movepool & its somewhat "awakening" power during the final match of the master 8) & sirfetched (it's strong enough to fight Cynthia's garchomp & almost beat it)
Sirfetch'd may not be winning the battles but it sure as hell contributed to the battles. Every meteor assault LEAVES it's mark on the enemy. I dont think theres a battle where the effects of Meteor Assault didnt get mentioned where it weakened the other party's pokemon
Yeah i think this is the way to do it rather than just looking at numbers. These are living creatures and characters, with every battle having context for its outcome of course. It could be a bad matchup, loss to prop the pokemon back up for a character development, or just Ash simply getting outplayed in many cases. His opponents are thinking beings with living breathing pokemon executing the strategies as well after all. Its not all just "this pokemon sucks cause its win rate is lower than x%". There's much more to measure than just ratios but i get its easier for youtuber making a video like this rather than rewatching every single battle of Ash's lol.
Sceptile did not beat a Darkrai in the Hoenn League. Maybe you mean the Sinnoh League (I don’t know myself, since I am watching through the DP anime for the first time at the moment), since I know that he is on Ash’s team against Tobias.
Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, Sceptile, and Greninja...these are the five that everyone consistently agree on, because they ARE Ash's five best Pokemon. What's REALLY interesting, is the SIXTH slot because it's ALWAYS different (depending on who you ask). I've heard cases for Heracross, Krookodile, Dragonite, and now Goodra.
I think Sceptile’s bond with Ash is close to if not on the same level as Greninja and Lucario. Sceptile didn’t just beat Darkrai, it heard Ash’s pleas and broke Darkrai’s hold on him, which was something none of Ash’s other Pokémon managed to do in that battle, and considering that battle first time Tobias used a second Pokémon, it’s safe to say none of Barry’s Pokémon or any other Sinnoh league trainer’s Pokémon could either. And that’s not even Sceptile’s best feat! It might be the fastest Pokémon in the world! It chased down and caught a *speed form* Deoxys while using his energy to charge a Solar Beam!
I'd always think what his best team would be and I basically thought up the same thing only swapping Goodra for Lycanrock or Infernape just out of hype ness and giving some love to each generation of his teams
Nice to see what you think could be his best team, and even better to you and Lockstin collab again. Unless they choose to bring him back as the protagonist traveling every region and challenging their leagues for some reason, it sucks that we'll never get to see his unevolved and not-fully-evolved Pokémon ever evolve.
love every member with the exception of goodra. while strong, win rates aren’t everything and goodra bombed hard in the kalos league. not trying to undermine it because it’s very strong, but i think lycanroc or nebby would’ve been better! (yes, ash owned nebby)
I’m glad Goodra is on this list. I feel like it didn’t get enough time to shine being sent back to the swampland (can’t remember the name of the place) and not showing up until later in the Kalos league tournament. Also, who doesn’t love Goodra?
I disagree with not choosing Bulbasaur given it’s insane experience and the fact that it can learn moves that Bulbasaur can’t physically learn, but I understand Sceptile. Great video!
I'm on the fence as well. But seeing as this is best possible i have to agree. Dont get me wrong if bulbasaur had re appeared later on and learnt some different moves he should definitely take the spot. Maybe its even his timo to evolve?
@@benkai09 I don’t think evolving is what it needs, the anime has proven evolving isn’t really a requirement to handle powerful opponents and Ash’s Bulbasaur is an example of that, what it really needed was an updated selection of moves. A Poison move and maybe something like Leaf Storm as an upgrade for Razor Leaf.
Worth noting that Ash may have displayed some bond shenanigans with Sceptile as well, though not as much as Greninja, Pikachu, Lucario, or even Infernape, he was able to seemingly will Sceptile awake against Darkrai.
What about the quality of their win rates tough? I think beating Weedles and Ratatta's or even non-gym leader level trainers isn't really showing how strong his pokemon is as it's just padding their Win Rates. Dracovish or Sirfetch'd may not have a lot of wins but to be fair they have been going up against top >100 trainers for most of their matches.
Heracross also went up against Darkrai, landing Megahorn & Focus Punch, setting up Sceptile to get the finishing blow. Same case as Sirfetch'd facing Garchomp, Mr. Rime, & Rillaboom for Lucario & Dracovish to get the win.
People forget the darkrai is not just any ordinary darkrai, he survives super effective hit and repeatedly attacks back with Dream Eater and dream Eater also hit heracross and darkrai hit it with a super effective attack which going to heal darkrai a lot, Sceptile manages to get up from the dark void is a really insane feat too...Leaf blade looks like a critical hit on darkrai and it shows an advantage in using a sceptile because he has a move with a ratio of high critical chance! Sceptile survive against darkrai's Ice beam is also an excellent feat, considering how weak the defensive stat and it was a super effective hit from darkrai too
Definitely agree with the first four, those four are ash's core pokemon. As for the other two pokemon, it could be one of many depending on who his opponent is.
This is a pretty solid team, the only thing I would argue against is how Goodra lost quite a bit after it's return from the wetlands for the Kalos league, but we all know it was to give Greninja more spotlight.
I think that you can’t rely souly on win rate and have to take into account different situations each Pokémon had. Also ash might not have access to good ra or greninja and some Pokémon might be out of training. On paper with pure stats this is the corrects team but you have to add in canonical context in to it as well imo
A while ago I was trying to figure out Ashs' best team to maintain champion statis. Only difference between this team and mine is Goodra. My other member of his ultimate team was Melmetal. 2 reasons for my choice. 1, I wanted to mix his teams that helped him gain championship titles. And 2, like a lot of people ash has taken on a mythical or legendary is sometimes an X factor that turns the tide.
I agree on you about picking sceptile although many say that sceptile won against darkrai because of the help of other pokemon people forget tobias's darkrai is not just any ordinary darkrai it survives super effective hit and repeatedly attacks back with Dream Eater and Dream Eater also hit heracross and obviously it's a powerful super effective attack which goingt to heal darkrai a lot Sceptile manages to get up from the dark void is a really insane feat too Leaf blade looks like a critical hit on darkrai and it shows an advantage in using a sceptile because he has a move with a ratio of high critical chance! Sceptile survive against darkrai's Ice beam is also an excellent feat, considering how weak the defensive stat and it was a super effective hit from darkrai too Also sceptile is super fast he freaking Catch deoxys speed form like...hello?!
My poor Totodile being slandered! That video was really cool, and I agree with your picks considering it's so hard to pick just 6. Ash has so many cool Pokémon after all.
Pikachu, 3 starter pokemon of different types, a pseudo legendary and an Egg/Gift pokemon. I don't know if this was on purpose but I'm getting nostalgia hits of my Pokemon yellow team.
Before watching mine would be with slighty updated for gen 9 like ash went to pladea with his beat team with all gimmicks. Z-move Pikachu, G-max Charizard, Battle Bond Greninja ( although swap cut for night slash lol), Tera Tertorra (maybe Tera Rock for Stone Edge boost and complete type weakness swap), Mega-Lucario, and Naganadel for legendary/ultra beast. A physical, special, and 4 mixed or could go either way Pokemon of various offensive and defensive types, room to move around who's going to tera, mega, z move, or G-max with at least 2 choices for each and Pokemon of various shapes and sizes if that comes into play somehow. Plus special bonds with like 4 or 5 of them. Imo his best mix of power and adaptability. But if I had to give him subs or another 6 team of 6 to slot in prolly: Dracovish/Lapras( if Sceptile is mega), melmetal, Gengar, Heracross, Sceptile, infernape.
whenever someone brings up Torterra losing a lot I often say... yeah obviously. sure in multiple fights he had the advantage but he was also fight some E4 threats or Stronger: Berthas Hippowdon, Paul's Drapion, Paul's Honchkrow, Palmers Rhypherior and Volknerker Electivire (IIRC)
I was confused for a bit why Krookodile was wasn’t here at first as with Ash it only lost its first battle, but then I realized they must be using its battles it had before owned by Ash. Which sucks because Krookodile got eliminated, but I guess fair
After watching, I started wondering, "What team would be best against certain trainers?" Against Lance, Steven (other than champion team), Wallace, Cynthia (other than champion team), Alder, Iris, Diantha, and Leon (other than champion team).
so i did this as well, but used a different site called mypokemonteam which lets you put in moves so they can calculate coverage. i put in my own team as well as the video team and found something interesting. my team is pikachu, swellow, incineroar, gengar, palpatoad and sceptile. i went with them because it gave more coverage and more defensive capabilities. so I added them all together and here are the results: my team: coverage: 65. defense: 15.5 - video team: coverage: 49 defense: 13
I can accept all of that team except Goodra. I think Ash's Gengar is very capable, it also can Dynamax, and he used it to trick and defeat a Spiritomb by strategically phasing through materials thrown into the battlefield on the train. That takes skill. But overall a good team setup from you Toby and Lockstin.
People forget that Sceptile might not have been able to handle Tobias' Darkrai if Ash's Heracross hadn't hit it with a powerful supereffective Mega Horn beforehand (and Gible existed, I guess). Sure, Dream Eater would've healed it some, but wouldn't have made up all the damage it took.
I think this list is almost perfect, the only change i would do would be swapping Goodra with Ashe's Snorlax. Snorlax is a powerhouse of a pokemon, incredable strong, think he actually have a winrate about 90%.
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Yea its six unused torus
I think the move pikachu used to take down Leon's Charizard looked more like Pika-Papow than Thunderbolt
Fun fact: sceptile’s best feat isn’t beating darkrai, it’s catching up to a deoxys speed form that was running away already
I kind of wish this video would have focused more on feats rather than winrates, but I still agree with the video nonetheless
That shows me that he’s actually a subterra dragonoid.
WAIT WHAT
He actually outsped a deoxys speed?
That sceptile must have been ev trained like a champ
@@pablokestarx5901 he’d need 252 ev plus speed nature and a choice scarf to out speed 252 plus speed deoxygenated speed. That boy not only ev trained but in designer clothes too apparently
Agreed, Win Rates don't necessarily show the Pokemon's true standing in power, especially when the Anime is inconsistent with portrayal of Pokemon's strengths.
Great working together again! I do hope we'll see an older Ash at some point in the future.
The anime is In a time loop they said he’s forever ten but who knows
I hope when we will see him , he will be 11
Lockstin, its 10 million -volt thunderbolt not 100 million.
@@madnessarcade7447 I just saw you over on Mat4yo's channel too lmao
I understand that it wouldn’t really help with the electric weakness but like rowlet took on its final evo and won plus if ever evolved could let some ghost and maybe even dark type move
Loving how Ash’s ultimate team not only has one of each starter type, but the three starters are from different regions
Also I really like how Infernape is plausible switch-in for Lucario, but the team might need to be reconfigured a little so it doesn’t contain 2 fire types
Probably why the lucario is there instead. Type coverage and that lucario itself was pretty danged good.
Even for how nostalgic one might be for infernape I don't think he can fit the bill of ashes second biggest star in the world tournament and as you mention it has a type overlapse
@@HectorT52 right, Lucario is the better team choice, I’m just happy that Infernape is essentially the “seventh” team member of Ash’s team
Technically 4 starters, 2 from Kanto if you count Pikachu which I feel like most poke forums do, but I still agree otherwise. A pretty awesome mix of regions and starters
Not to mention fully - evolved starter types. The three of the respective types are fan favorites too and served as their ace Pokémon whilst on the team.
I think a big part of Sceptile's Winrate problem is that A He had a lot of bad matchups he had to be used in the FIRE Gym in Hoenn as a Treeko After all and B:For a portion of time after evolving Sceptile was unable to use Grass Type Moves and C:He had the disadvantage of having a longer running story arc planned for him so throughout all of Hoenn he was stuck as a Grovyle, not at his full potential even in the League which prbobably would have helped a lot
Thats why you can never use win/loss rates for video's like these, since these are always flawed. Main example is Sawk vs Leavanny and Krookodile. Ash flat-out admitted he choose Leavanny to weaken Sawk, so Krookodile could take it down, which already means Leavanny should get that win also added to its win/loss ratio, since it was a combined effort and Krookodile couldn't have delivered the final blow without it.
@@nickdentoom1173 its the same gambit as Sceptile honestly, it took a lot of Ash's team to weaken the Darkrai and really it was just Sceptile who managed to bring in the finishing blow. It's like in competitive video game Pokemon, such as with Glimmora, a standard lead Pokemon and sometimes its utility of having a bunch of hazards laid out makes it a vital role EVEN IF it's supposed and ends up fainting. The sheer volumes of difference between Glimmora teams winning vs. Glimmora itself fainting is a huge gap that proves individual win rate is kinda pointless when there's TEAMS of Pokemon.
@@nickdentoom1173 yeah agreed, its not a good metric since well... These are living creatures that have been trained up to where they are, of course they're gonna have losses especially early on. They dont start out fully evolved and ready to scrap against champion level opponents. These win/loss percentages arent good measurements since many of these mons start out weak or are placed on bad matchups and have to take Ls for certain character arcs too. Or sometimes its just Ash getting outplayed in the moment in terms of strategy lol.
@D Was the best time that Leaf Blade came in clutch with that high critical hit rate ratio. Not to mention it was two consecutive hits I think if recall right so possibly two crits.
With Charizard Infernape and Incineroar all being worthy contenders for this team, along with Talonflame also being quite the solid Pokemon in it's own right, I think I'm starting to realise what the anime's favourite type is (Torkoal being a very large outlier).
Remember when all of Ash’s fire types were together except Torkoal but Bulbauar was there lol
But they didn't give Ash a fire type in journeys
Eh, Ash is practically a FLying type specialist
I mean that's not surprising. Fire is usually the go to element for most Heroes. Fire tends to be the first spell Mages learn too. Fire is associated with Strength, Power & most importantly Bravery/Courage.
@MrOrbsome yeah, he has a lot of flying Pokemon and that too he has it in every series: Butterfree, Pidgeot, Charizard, Noctowl, Swellow, Staraptor, Gliscor, Unfeasent, Talonflame, Noivern, Hawlucha, Rowlet, Dragonite,
In X and Y 3 out of his 6 Pokemon were flying type
Reminder that Sceptile not only defeated a Darkrai. He defeated a Darkrai that apparently had never lost a fight. The anime states that Tobias beat all the gyms with only his Darkrai and Ash was the first person to push Tobias to his second mon. Even the guy who fought Tobias in the finals didn't manage that. Sceptile absolutely deserves a spot.
Exactly Tobias is the biggest piece of plot bs I have ever saw as literally the writers had to create this dude just so Ash wouldn't win the league
@@mohammadmurie it is even rumor to say that he have more legendary in his team so even if ash Pikachu had defeated latios, he would had to faced a few other legendary
@The Nameless yeah just makes him a bigger piece of plot bs if that was the case
@@thenameless7810 Ash did defeat Latios just it was a double KO no reason for Tobias to release his 3rd Pokémon
Yeah Tobias Solos the rest of the tournament with Darkrai most pokemon got one shot.
I believe it's stated Tobias went on to lose to Cynthia tho in another season.
Toby: "The team Ash used to beat Leon isn't necessarily his best team"
Leon: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yes
Tbf, it’s more like Leon gave Ash a lot of handicap. So much, he lost.
@@bcena0733 I feel like it was more him not restricting Ash
@@bcena0733 Idk, i feel like Ash sould have been champ back in Sinoh but the full legendary team shenanigans avoided it.
after all, according to every single second of Pokemon sword, he IS the CHAMPION of the galar region and IS the greatest CHAMPION ever, according to Hop, said 2495180 times
I never thought about it before but Ash's Grass types have all been pretty solid with one or 2 things holding them back a bit. Bulbasaur probably hasn't seen much training from being Oak's park manager. Sceptile has the win rate problem, Bayleef can struggle somewhat beyond mid level battles, Snivy seems to be highly experienced but probably the only one out of the pile that would've super benefitted from even 1 evolution, Leavanny had a lot of potential but little usage and Rowlet has a bit of a sleeping problem.
Sceptile might have a win/loss problem but at least it was able to defeat Darkrai .
@@casualknight8962 He lasthits the Darkrai, it toke 4 or 5 of ashes pokemon to take that Darkrai down, not comparable with, for example, Charizard, that 1v1 an articuno (yes, with type advantage, but still impresive, especially considering that it was capable of also 1v1 Garys blastoise with the disadvantage).
@@xabierarana2645 It only took 3 of Ash's Pokemon (Heracross, Gible, & Sceptile) to take out Tobias' Darkrai, Latios took out Sceptile, Torkoal, Swellow, & Pikachu.
EDIT: Nevermind, I'm an idiot, Torkoal was taken out by Darkrai.
Ash’s Bulbasaur somehow knows Dig
Rowlet is 100% narcoleptic
I agree with this largely, but with Lucario, your forgot something that makes him even better... he can use the Spirit Bomb Aura Sphere which is a mega powered Aura Sphere.
Aura Bond.
Unfortunate about Leavanny. He, and Krookodile, are the best of the Unovan mon used by Ash but unfortunately suffer from under-usage common to the Gen 5 mons Ash collected
Ash having so many Unova Pokemon was a really big detriment to what could've been some really strong Pokemon if he had cut it down a bit.
Leavanny had insane battlesense.
I mean as a Sewaddle it was very aggressive so it stands to show that it was suited for battling.
Man. Those 2 really were his mvps.
@@castform7 yeah, I think that's another problem from them trying to copy Kanto. Ash got a lot of Pokemon there too, but you could easily take Pokemon like Kingler, Primeape, Muk and Tauros out of the story and barely anything changes.
@@shadowbladesabre1945 If only that never happened. They kept the spirit from the Diamond and Pearl series.
10:21 - Chimchar’s special Blaze is actually inherent, which was Paul’s sole reason for initially catching it. All Infernape’s special bond with Ash did was let him control Blaze effectively rather than succumb to abrupt fits of being a mindless berserker when beaten into the sort sometimes.
One annoying thing about this is that the very first time we saw Chimchar activate Blaze was when Paul battled Roark and there was nothing special about it. Chimchar didn't go berserk and it was literally crushed into the ground by Roark's Cranidos. The writers should have planned out the Blaze arc better.
I feel like Krookodile could be a strong contender for that final spot. The guy was a powerhouse when it evolved. It’s got a very enticing moveset, too, having used Dig, Bite, Crunch, Stone Edge, Aerial Ace, and Dragon Claw. It barely even needs its team to cover most of its own weaknesses! Plus, a key factor in Ash’s skill as a trainer is through creative use of his team’s moves, and I always remember that one time Ash had Infernape use Dig as part of a strategy to remove Toxic Spikes and land a hit on a Ninjask. Applying that kind of creativity on a Pokémon more proficient at digging like Krookodile could be devastating.
The one you guys came up with years ago was Pikachu, Greninja, Krookodile, Snorlax, Glalie, and Charizard. Interesting to see how things have changed.
I would have loved to see Ash use this team at some point! Amazing picks and selection process!
I like this team. But now I'm thinking about how neither Greninja nor Goodra are part of Ash's team anymore and now I'm questioning what the replacement for them could be.
It will find it difficult to make it to this team but I feel like Lycanroc needs to be on this team somehow as it won Ash its first regional league and was Ash's ace pokemon in Alola
Plus it has the never before discovered dusk form
IMHO, Leavanny might be an underrated pick. Leavanny had beaten several Pokémon it had a type disadvantage to, such as some wild Durant, Burgh’s Dwebble and Whirlipede (which was done as as a Sewaddle and evolved into Swadloon while fighting Whirlipede), Roxy’s Koffing, and almost beat her Whirlipede. The moves it learned are also pretty good with X-Scissor, Energy Ball, and Leaf Storm being pretty strong moves and String Shot is relatively strong in the world of the Anime.
Going through and watching the entire series (just finished gold and silver), I would say Bayleef's win rate is less impressive. I can't recall too many battles where it performed exceptionally, and in some cases it still faltered. If Bayleef was added to a team with some of Ash's other closely bonded teammates I would be worried about it's personality getting in the way. In the anime Bayleef has this jealous feeling that makes it where any person or pokemon that gets close or shares a moment with Ash sends it into a rampage, usually towards Ash. If Bayleef saw Ash's battle bond with Greninja, mega evolution with Lucario, or even Ash hugging Pikachu like he does many times in the gold and silver anime, Bayleef could cause a ruckus that might hurt them as a team. I love Bayleef, but I think it still needs some growth before it can be considered.
Bulbasaur is a great mediator pokemon, shown many times to stop ally pokemon fights and team squabbles, but it's small size and lacking moveset make it hard to back. I can't say anything for Sceptile, but based on his other choices I think it's the right pick. Torterra is another pokemon on Ash's team I'm unfamiliar with, but I can see why it might have been disregarded. It's really interesting to see the early "difficulty" choices for starters shown in the grass types. Many cite Grass/Bulbasaur as the "Easy" mode in Red/Blue since it does so well in the early battles but struggles later when you likely have teammates to pick up the slack. Here almost all grass types/starters Ash uses start great and end with more losses as they are unable to keep up with what they're up against. Not to say the Grass type starters are all bad, but it is interesting to see some of his starters follow that principle.
Bulbasaur's big thing with RBY is actually the selection of Gyms. All four types Grass has an advantage to (Rock, Ground, Water, and the Electric resistance) are mandatory bosses, and its Poison Typing even helps vs. Erika, the Grass Gym Leader. It's just set up to succeed in Kanto.
This is the team I wish Ash used in the Masters 8 competition, down to a T, perfect team and great video!
Just like with the other video, getting some serious nostalgia seeing you and Lockstin cover this subject again.
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I’m a bit iffy with Goodra’s inclusion, since the only wins it ever got weren’t *that* impressive compared to the rest of the Pokémon on this team, but I overall agree with this!
Tbf they're mostly using Goodra as a tank/support, talking about it's resistances and being able to assist greninja with rain dance
Goodra is also Ash's only Pseudo-Legendary. Granted, he's also owned an Ultra Beast and still owns a Mythical Pokemon but Melmetal's move pool sucks apart from Double-Iron Bash and Naganadel does have the Ground weakness which means, along with Pikachu and Lucario, half of Ash's team could potentially be wiped out by a single Ground type. Granted, that Ground type would need to be as strong as Cynthia's Garchomp to deal with all 3 of them but the point still stands.
@@tomnorton4277 Dragonite say "am i a joke ?" (technically he his a pseudo too with 600 BS too) and gible is one too but yeah he didn't evolve
@@tomnorton4277 dragonnite
11:57 i throught and its between Torterra and Septile.
The 2 deciding factors are 1. Torterra get Worse from Evolving and 2. Wether Mega Sep is on the Table. If Yes to Mega, Septile with its Dragon type makes it Resistant to Electric so its clear cut. But Mega Sep off the table means wether Grounds immunity to Elec out weighes Torterra’s Skill down grade.
Also to note: both Mega Sep and Torterra give 4x Ice weakness so worse Ice defense is a given
I was literally watching the original videos y’all did yesterday. Could not have timed that better
I'm still not 100% on Goodra being here, but I can see why it is. It covers a lot of weakness. I would have thought Snorlax would have deserved a spot over it, but the resistances take a huge hit and you get a third weakness to fighting.
I completely agree plus the fact it has 6 moves helps it's case as well
15:06 Goodra just blips out of existence in the background 😆
You made the exact same team as I did! A few months ago I wanted to make a team with Ashs best Pokemon on it for fun, and I chose all of these! My reasoning was typing and their connection with Ash, but you looked at moves and win/loss ratios as well. Great video!
For Ash Ketchum’s all star team, the last lineup that I recorded trying out was Melmetal, Mr. Mime, Donphan, Noivern, Sirfetch’d, and Incineroar. I didn’t consider Goodra nor Greninja, for these are Pokémon he’s officially released. Pokémon like Primeape and Squirtle, which are still technically under his own ownership though they’re under the control of another trainer I also didn’t consider, though I personally have a special place for Primeape. I also used sets recommended as the most competitively viable, though for some - such as Palpitoad and Bulbasaur - I created my own personalized sets. I won’t lie, I was last playtesting this team a while ago(it would seem as I still need to try Pidgeot) but I still hold favor for this final team. For such as yourself, in the considering purely from the apparent moveset and win/lose ratio from the anime, your choices seem the most logical - though I would not hold room for Ash’s officially released Pokémon, as I’ve said. Overall, a fairly nice team you've made, in the end.
I'd say Ash's best team is Pikachu, Sceptile, Greninja, Charizard, and Lucario. The 6th slot is a toss up depending on the situation, but those 5 are the auto includes.
Slide Gengar in the sixth slot and you have his perfect team
I put sirefirchted because it quickly being weak to going toe to toe with Cynthia's garchomp and Leon's rillabloom
“Charizard’s offical art facing the other way can’t hurt me.”
Charizard’s offical art facing the other way: 15:04
I immediately knew this was a collab when lockstin uploaded three seconds later
A big problem with this team is the lack of scaling. For instance while yes Sirfetch’d and the rest of Ashes Journeys team has a low win rate compared to the others, you could argue that since some of there losses come from champion level Pokémon such as Cynthia’s Garchomp and Leon’s Rillaboom the win rate system may be flawed. For example Sirfetch’d fought very well against one of the strongest Pokémon in the show being Cynthia’s Garchomp. I just don’t see Goodra accomplishing that. Since Sirfetch’d doesn’t work well typing wise due to lucario I would recommend using Gengar since it has been very powerful fighting against some of the worlds strongest Pokémon and it can Gigantamax.
I would've been so mad if sceptile didn't make it, so I'm glad now!
This definitely seems like a super solid team. If Ash ever returns in the anime, I'd be OK with him using these lot.
It really shows how much he has grown and bring out the best out of his Pokémon. He really is a Pokémon master.
Pikachu, Lucario, Ash-greninja, are all Pokémon that he has bonded and traveled.
If I want to battle him I would need to borrow some of his and my family others too.
On hand: Snowy, Megearna, and Nihilego.
Borrow: Solagleo, Lycanroc, and my mother Clefable
I’m using more of anime team. But with Ash Lycanroc, it’s a pokemon that he trained up and part of his champion team. I’m bringing out using a Ultra Beast and legendaries.
Ash Lycanroc? that form of Lycanroc is technically called "Dusk Lycanroc" as it evolves in the evening, and while it is liekyl confusing (its basically just a larger Midday Lycanroc with a spiky haircut like that of Midnight Lycanroc's), it's not in a similar caliber to Ash Greninja
Great video! I would definitely say lycanroc should be on the team as well and I'd probably put it over goodra and keep everything else the same
The fact that this is a meta Kalos team for the actual game + sceptile is kinda funny to me
Having one starter of each type, each from a different generation, with a mega Lucario and a pseudo legendary? Alongside the world’s strongest Pikachu?
Yeah, this is a pretty peak team right here.
I love this team because of the Starter Trio representing the types!
Everyone is talking about Sceptile vs Darkrai, But no one talking about pikachu vs latias 😢
I feel like one of charizards moves should have been seismic toss. That move had won him a couple fights.
Seismic Toss didn't just win Charizard "a couple of fights". It was 1 of his 2 signature moves, the other being Flamethrower. Black and White scrapped it but getting rid of Seismic Toss is like getting rid of Ash's Krookodile's Sunglasses. Sure, you can do it but there's always going to be a sense that something's missing.
You keep going on about Sceptile taking out a darkrai but that darkrai was weakened a lot by other pokemon before it, but otherwise this team seems pretty right
You forget that Darkrai was using Dream Eater to heal itself, so that damage it took may have been undone
@@AuraStrikeAce key word "May" have been undone, the nature of the battle is too dubious for it to be used as the key deciding factor
Yea but its still a team effort.
I know Lucario won a lot of battles, like Garchomp... but Sirfetch and the rest helped weakened it.
So its not straight up the best metric
@@beckhampang191 lucario still had to face a full heath dmax togekiss before garchomp so lucario is not fully healthy facing garchomp
@@probablyseth3565 That darkrai is not just any ordinary darkrai, he survives super effective Mega horn attack from Heracross and repeatedly attacks back with Dream Eater and dream Eater also hit heracross and darkrai hit it with a super effective attack, Sceptile manages to get up from the dark void is a really insane feat too...Leaf blade looks like a critical hit on darkrai and it shows an advantage in using a sceptile because he has a move with a ratio of high critical chance! Oh don't forget sceptile got hit with ice beam too (if I'm not mistaken)
Knowing it’ll be the last ash Ketchum outro 😢 but mate this was a fantastic video!! Loved the editing and the quality and it’s always fun to see you guys come together to create something awesome! Great team!!
Charizard
Greninja
Sceptile
Gengar
Pikachu
Lucario
Sad that its only 6 slots but I also always pick Infernape
I wouldn't have included Goodra, but otherwise, I think these are solid choices.
I think I'd take Melmetal over Goodra to cover gen 7 as well when he won the league + having a mythical is pretty nice. It can gigantamax as well. Goodra Dragonite Infernape Incineroar Krookodile and Snorlax are amazing back-ups.
You wouldn't believe how happy Goodra being on the team made me! Goomy is my favorite Pokémon and I always see it, and it's evolutions being crapped on, but using them for myself it has been so good! I try to get a Goomy as soon as possible when playing and I'm so glad that Ash got one! 😄
9:23 just incase something happens and Goodra gets removed.😅
Im sorry, but i dont think Goodra should be on this team despite the dragon typing being a solid type to the team. I would have swapped it for another candidate like Solgelao (if he counts) or Snorlax potentially.
Think winrate is a bad indicator, as a lot of fights aren't done at their current/peak power level, think feats would have been much better choice, a win/tight loss against a legend, is much more impressive then 50 wins against ratata.
12:09
Ash's Rowlet: Am I a joke to you?
5:15 also is the recent episodes ash use his aura to let a ghost touch pikachu
It's a shame Snorlax couldn't join the team but I understand, it literally only has Normal type moves and Ice Punch for coverage.
Personally, if ash continues to make future appearances, I would love to see the continuation of him rotating his team around. I feel like his greatest strength is growing so close to each of his Pokémon (minus gen 5 I feel like we really lacked with some of those team members) and I would love to think he values them as strong enough to each take part on his team once in a while.
Something that TGS Anime did when he did his series of duelist rankings (YGO) is doing a rank sort of the trainers based on different criteria, including not just win/loss ratio, but also number of duels attempted, giving the idea that the "best" duelist isn't someone who wins one duel and then never duels again. You could translate that as "battle experience" - a Pokémon who battles a lot may have an edge against a Pokémon who has few battles but won most of, if not, all of them.
Ash also has a rowlett which seemed to be missed when listing his grass Pokémon. I don’t think it should make his best team, but I was still surprised to see it missing.
They probably left it out on account of it not being as good as the other choices
@@GalvaV2 They listed snivy though, and that was in discussion as among Ash’s worst Pokémon. If it was just the best that would be one thing, but I got the impression they were trying to do a complete list then.
That Darkrai feat for Septile is a lot more impressive then you are making it out to be..... remember, it's not just any old Darkrai, it was a Darkrai that soloed literately EVERY OTHER CHALLENGE in the Sinnoh League by itself, EXCEPT for Ash, because Septile stopped it.
That Darkrai's ONLY loss was against Ash's Septile... and I doubt it was getting softened up much by the folks right before it, Torkal was one of them and it was healing up with Dream Eater.
One line alone "We can't know for sure unless we go back and watch every single battle these Pokemon have taken part in."
Yes, that's EXACTLY what needed to be done.
Such a strong focus on win rates and types really shows neither of you truly understands what you're talking about when it would come to making Ash's strongest team in the anime. These arguments might be nice for GF developers to create an NPC Ash in like a Battle Tower format or something or stick him at the top of Glaseado Mountain as a post-game boss fight, but NOT to create his actual strongest team. Who cares if Goodra beat a bunch of jobbers in XYZ? Ash's Dragonite wholly outclasses it in battles. Who cares about Primeape's win rate? Ash's Sirfetch'd is in a league of its own and is unfortunately overshadowed by the favoritism of Lucario, but Ash's Sirfetch'd made it possible to overcome Cynthia's Garchomp, it made it possible for Ash to defeat Leon as well. Ash's Journeys team might have the least amount of screen time overall, but they're arguably contenders for Ash's strongest team by default, as they're the ones that overcame Leon the undefeated gigachad and Cynthia the #2 best trainer in the world. With some minor tweaks allowing for Ash-Greninja, perhaps in place of Dracovish, and Ash's strongest team should really consist more of Pikachu, Greninja(cutting out Dracovish, who is still a worthwhile contender otherwise), Mega Lucario(unfortunately cutting out Sirfetch'd), Charizard/(unfortunately cutting out the technically stronger Infernape), Sceptile/Gengar/Dragonite and THEN take those strongest Pokemon's types into consideration and be left with Pi, AG, ML, Ch, Ge + Dr if but Ground and Rock become a bit noticeable even if covered by other mons, or Sc + Dr if a mutual ice weakness is of no concern because Sceptile then helps remedy the other remaining Ground and Rock weaknesses well enough that it wouldn't be a big deal for the team.
The fact that Ash's pathetic Bayleef was even brought up in the same league as Bulbasaur and Sceptile because of its stupid winrate is telling of the ignorance needed to put it on the list. Bulbasaur earned its high winrate with experience, and Sceptile is known to be powerful in spite of its winrate, Bayleef is unreliable despite its winrate, when the going gets tough some mons just don't make the cut. You're ignoring Major League Baseball players for Little League players because the Little League players had more wins and made more runs? Come off it.
If you ever want to tackle this question again, maybe have Ash's best possible Team in each generation. Granted, I doubt that Gen 5 would change his best team from Gen 4.
I feel like focussing on the win/loss ratio too much might be a mistake. For starters, evolved Pokémon have grown a lot stronger than when they were in their first or second stage and it might be worth just checking their last ten matches to see how well they've been doing. Sceptile is the prime example. It beat a Darkrai in Sinnoh but probably lost a lot more battles when it was just a Treecko.
Pikachu doesn't often lose, but when it does it's against a level 5 Snivy.
Or a damn Magikarp
I like to look at more than just win rates basically how well they done in battles even if they didn't win & other areas of strength so my list will include other pokemon you didn't mention e.g. dracovish (impressed with its movepool & its somewhat "awakening" power during the final match of the master 8) & sirfetched (it's strong enough to fight Cynthia's garchomp & almost beat it)
Sirfetch'd may not be winning the battles but it sure as hell contributed to the battles.
Every meteor assault LEAVES it's mark on the enemy. I dont think theres a battle where the effects of Meteor Assault didnt get mentioned where it weakened the other party's pokemon
@Beckham Pang exactly lol it's a valuable pokemon ash owns
Yeah i think this is the way to do it rather than just looking at numbers. These are living creatures and characters, with every battle having context for its outcome of course. It could be a bad matchup, loss to prop the pokemon back up for a character development, or just Ash simply getting outplayed in many cases. His opponents are thinking beings with living breathing pokemon executing the strategies as well after all. Its not all just "this pokemon sucks cause its win rate is lower than x%". There's much more to measure than just ratios but i get its easier for youtuber making a video like this rather than rewatching every single battle of Ash's lol.
Sceptile did not beat a Darkrai in the Hoenn League. Maybe you mean the Sinnoh League (I don’t know myself, since I am watching through the DP anime for the first time at the moment), since I know that he is on Ash’s team against Tobias.
Sceptile also has a Mega Evolution, but it's also Dragon type thus giving it another weakness to Ice.
Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, Sceptile, and Greninja...these are the five that everyone consistently agree on, because they ARE Ash's five best Pokemon. What's REALLY interesting, is the SIXTH slot because it's ALWAYS different (depending on who you ask). I've heard cases for Heracross, Krookodile, Dragonite, and now Goodra.
I think Sceptile’s bond with Ash is close to if not on the same level as Greninja and Lucario. Sceptile didn’t just beat Darkrai, it heard Ash’s pleas and broke Darkrai’s hold on him, which was something none of Ash’s other Pokémon managed to do in that battle, and considering that battle first time Tobias used a second Pokémon, it’s safe to say none of Barry’s Pokémon or any other Sinnoh league trainer’s Pokémon could either. And that’s not even Sceptile’s best feat! It might be the fastest Pokémon in the world! It chased down and caught a *speed form* Deoxys while using his energy to charge a Solar Beam!
I'd always think what his best team would be and I basically thought up the same thing only swapping Goodra for Lycanrock or Infernape just out of hype ness and giving some love to each generation of his teams
Nice to see what you think could be his best team, and even better to you and Lockstin collab again.
Unless they choose to bring him back as the protagonist traveling every region and challenging their leagues for some reason, it sucks that we'll never get to see his unevolved and not-fully-evolved Pokémon ever evolve.
love every member with the exception of goodra. while strong, win rates aren’t everything and goodra bombed hard in the kalos league. not trying to undermine it because it’s very strong, but i think lycanroc or nebby would’ve been better!
(yes, ash owned nebby)
I’m glad Goodra is on this list. I feel like it didn’t get enough time to shine being sent back to the swampland (can’t remember the name of the place) and not showing up until later in the Kalos league tournament. Also, who doesn’t love Goodra?
"Gives us a dragonair" *shows us Dragonite*
Defs a reference to an old pokemon episode where Officer Jenny called her growlithe "Arcanine"
I disagree with not choosing Bulbasaur given it’s insane experience and the fact that it can learn moves that Bulbasaur can’t physically learn, but I understand Sceptile. Great video!
I'm on the fence as well. But seeing as this is best possible i have to agree. Dont get me wrong if bulbasaur had re appeared later on and learnt some different moves he should definitely take the spot.
Maybe its even his timo to evolve?
@@benkai09 I don’t think evolving is what it needs, the anime has proven evolving isn’t really a requirement to handle powerful opponents and Ash’s Bulbasaur is an example of that, what it really needed was an updated selection of moves. A Poison move and maybe something like Leaf Storm as an upgrade for Razor Leaf.
Rowlett is also a Grass type:-)
I was gonna say where's Rowlet???
Worth noting that Ash may have displayed some bond shenanigans with Sceptile as well, though not as much as Greninja, Pikachu, Lucario, or even Infernape, he was able to seemingly will Sceptile awake against Darkrai.
What about the quality of their win rates tough? I think beating Weedles and Ratatta's or even non-gym leader level trainers isn't really showing how strong his pokemon is as it's just padding their Win Rates. Dracovish or Sirfetch'd may not have a lot of wins but to be fair they have been going up against top >100 trainers for most of their matches.
Heracross also went up against Darkrai, landing Megahorn & Focus Punch, setting up Sceptile to get the finishing blow. Same case as Sirfetch'd facing Garchomp, Mr. Rime, & Rillaboom for Lucario & Dracovish to get the win.
People forget the darkrai is not just any ordinary darkrai, he survives super effective hit and repeatedly attacks back with Dream Eater and dream Eater also hit heracross and darkrai hit it with a super effective attack which going to heal darkrai a lot, Sceptile manages to get up from the dark void is a really insane feat too...Leaf blade looks like a critical hit on darkrai and it shows an advantage in using a sceptile because he has a move with a ratio of high critical chance! Sceptile survive against darkrai's Ice beam is also an excellent feat, considering how weak the defensive stat and it was a super effective hit from darkrai too
People seem to forget heracross was ended by a dream eater
Which healed darkrai
@@logandelaharpe6362 It also used it on Sceptile, which probably healed it up a bit more
This video was swell too! Glad to see you two together again!
Definitely agree with the first four, those four are ash's core pokemon. As for the other two pokemon, it could be one of many depending on who his opponent is.
Goodra is core?
@@beckhampang191 no, pikachu, graninja, lucario and charazard.
This is a pretty solid team, the only thing I would argue against is how Goodra lost quite a bit after it's return from the wetlands for the Kalos league, but we all know it was to give Greninja more spotlight.
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Didn’t Goodra get WRECKED?
Oh, I am bummed that the big guy didn’t make the roster but I get it. Ash doesn’t use them that much.
This is one of the best combinations of poketubers you can find!
I think that you can’t rely souly on win rate and have to take into account different situations each Pokémon had. Also ash might not have access to good ra or greninja and some Pokémon might be out of training. On paper with pure stats this is the corrects team but you have to add in canonical context in to it as well imo
A while ago I was trying to figure out Ashs' best team to maintain champion statis. Only difference between this team and mine is Goodra. My other member of his ultimate team was Melmetal. 2 reasons for my choice. 1, I wanted to mix his teams that helped him gain championship titles. And 2, like a lot of people ash has taken on a mythical or legendary is sometimes an X factor that turns the tide.
Haven't seen anything from this channel in a long time, and wow, BKToby got a glow-up at some point, was not prepared.
I agree on you about picking sceptile although many say that sceptile won against darkrai because of the help of other pokemon people forget tobias's darkrai is not just any ordinary darkrai
it survives super effective hit and repeatedly attacks back with Dream Eater and Dream Eater also hit heracross and obviously it's a powerful super effective attack which goingt to heal darkrai a lot
Sceptile manages to get up from the dark void is a really insane feat too
Leaf blade looks like a critical hit on darkrai and it shows an advantage in using a sceptile because he has a move with a ratio of high critical chance!
Sceptile survive against darkrai's Ice beam is also an excellent feat, considering how weak the defensive stat and it was a super effective hit from darkrai too
Also sceptile is super fast he freaking Catch deoxys speed form like...hello?!
Although I am a major fan of Infernape. I can't argue with this team as being Ash's best.
My poor Totodile being slandered!
That video was really cool, and I agree with your picks considering it's so hard to pick just 6. Ash has so many cool Pokémon after all.
Pikachu, 3 starter pokemon of different types, a pseudo legendary and an Egg/Gift pokemon. I don't know if this was on purpose but I'm getting nostalgia hits of my Pokemon yellow team.
Before watching mine would be with slighty updated for gen 9 like ash went to pladea with his beat team with all gimmicks. Z-move Pikachu, G-max Charizard, Battle Bond Greninja ( although swap cut for night slash lol), Tera Tertorra (maybe Tera Rock for Stone Edge boost and complete type weakness swap), Mega-Lucario, and Naganadel for legendary/ultra beast. A physical, special, and 4 mixed or could go either way Pokemon of various offensive and defensive types, room to move around who's going to tera, mega, z move, or G-max with at least 2 choices for each and Pokemon of various shapes and sizes if that comes into play somehow. Plus special bonds with like 4 or 5 of them. Imo his best mix of power and adaptability. But if I had to give him subs or another 6 team of 6 to slot in prolly: Dracovish/Lapras( if Sceptile is mega), melmetal, Gengar, Heracross, Sceptile, infernape.
whenever someone brings up Torterra losing a lot I often say... yeah obviously. sure in multiple fights he had the advantage but he was also fight some E4 threats or Stronger: Berthas Hippowdon, Paul's Drapion, Paul's Honchkrow, Palmers Rhypherior and Volknerker Electivire (IIRC)
lockstin bein all cute with totodile, i’m gushin 😍 dat silly goose
"That gives us a Dragonair with 5/10 won"
That's a Dragonite.
I was confused for a bit why Krookodile was wasn’t here at first as with Ash it only lost its first battle, but then I realized they must be using its battles it had before owned by Ash. Which sucks because Krookodile got eliminated, but I guess fair
After watching, I started wondering, "What team would be best against certain trainers?" Against Lance, Steven (other than champion team), Wallace, Cynthia (other than champion team), Alder, Iris, Diantha, and Leon (other than champion team).
so i did this as well, but used a different site called mypokemonteam which lets you put in moves so they can calculate coverage. i put in my own team as well as the video team and found something interesting. my team is pikachu, swellow, incineroar, gengar, palpatoad and sceptile. i went with them because it gave more coverage and more defensive capabilities. so I added them all together and here are the results: my team: coverage: 65. defense: 15.5 - video team: coverage: 49 defense: 13
I can accept all of that team except Goodra. I think Ash's Gengar is very capable, it also can Dynamax, and he used it to trick and defeat a Spiritomb by strategically phasing through materials thrown into the battlefield on the train. That takes skill. But overall a good team setup from you Toby and Lockstin.
People forget that Sceptile might not have been able to handle Tobias' Darkrai if Ash's Heracross hadn't hit it with a powerful supereffective Mega Horn beforehand (and Gible existed, I guess). Sure, Dream Eater would've healed it some, but wouldn't have made up all the damage it took.
I think this list is almost perfect, the only change i would do would be swapping Goodra with Ashe's Snorlax. Snorlax is a powerhouse of a pokemon, incredable strong, think he actually have a winrate about 90%.
Lockstin's hair gets more and more ridiculous all the time
I love that guy