Setting the Record Straight
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Oh, shots have been fired! So, Cary fires back a little. Why did he get "triggered" by the John Wick game? Let's find out why....
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No, I don't believe Stern is trying to take my guns away. Let me state that before the comment section takes off. I worried they were beginning to assist in that message though.
Just don't apologize. Be you and let other people fucking deal.
I do.
Pff gun crazy culture gonna go crazy!
Yes be yourself, which ain’t for me.
Regardless of your 2A concerns, hopefully this train wreck of a week shows everyone involved in "pinball media" that their words matter and affect how their followers inevitibly react.
Incredible persecution complex on display here. 😂
I like that the person in intro has a Gun on his pinball machine in background, LMAO
I agree with you entirely. Liongate's stance on this makes no sense.
Liongate might have licensing restrictions themselves towards gun manufacturers of guns shown in the movies which they might pass on when further licensing out the theme
@@Kwistenbiebel100-ns5ko i doubt that even so the artwork isn’t from the movie it’s hand drawn. You can draw any gun you want duh
@@Hauntworld Evidence would indicate otherwise
From this day forward you shall be known as Concealed Cary
Nailed it!😂
Holy shit...apparel idea...
@@CaryHardy you have my blessing! Royalty free 😁
F'n love it!!!!
You need stickers that have the Texas shape, and say that. lol
People have really gone nuts! I love how now because there’s no guns in a John wick pinball machine everyone online is saying how we won’t stand for this or this is woke. Where were you guys to stand up when Stern started charging $9,699 to $13,999 for games that aren’t even worth half of that. But because everyone is too political these days when it comes to guns , oh no don’t take that away! Let’s go on TH-cam and complain.
Stern is making thousands of us and doing well, there probably laughing to the bank while this video was being made
So….guns are bad, but if I need one I’ll call someone who has one and hope nothing happens in the meantime.
John Wick without guns is just random dudes wearing suits in nightclubs.
What’s next? Top Gun without the fighter jets cuz they have guns. Hell gun is in the title!
Guy in the beginning is talking about removing guns but he has a LAH behind him with a big gun on it.
😂😂 the irony is killing me
Typical hypocrite, ignorant voter unfortunately.
Sorry for going off topic. But I can't stress enough how badly I wish Stern or another JJ, CG, PB, AP, or someone would make a Transformers The Movie 1986 Pin. The musical track list is perfect for pinball, amd of course the artwork and toys would be sick. Just imagine loudly bumping "Instruments of Destruction" while playing. They had BETTER NOT EXCLUDE THERE GUNS THOUGH. In FACT, instead of a plunger, a giant Optimus Prime or Megatron-Galvatron gun should be the ball shooter.
I think the difference is that I don't really care WHY they're not there, I think the art package looks dope already. I love making the playfield art city-themed because it makes sense with the continental, and just has that world under glass vibe. I felt like the violence part of john wick can and would be handled in the clips. Just my opinion.
If I ever get this pin, I'll mount a shorty shotgun as the topper.
Have it fire dragons breathe when you get a multiball
I’m listening, and hoping a knee isn’t bent on the issue
No knee taken. If the studio wants to omit guns - fine. Sucks that Stern proceeded with the game though. As long as Stern wasn't the ones that didn't want guns. I don't see a bunch of Lionsgate pinball machines - I do see a lot of Stern games though....
You are 100% right! The main character is all about guns!
You are on target, no apologies needed
Did I apologize?
Don't walk it back.
Stand strong with your convictions on this matter Cary. It's the only thing that separates us from the rest of the world.
(that and all the mass murders)
@@pinball16 Yeah, all the mass murders like Hitler, Stalin & Moa sa tong who disarmed their people before murdering them in masses.
Its a bit wierd, as a Brit, we share much of the same culture as our American cousins. But gun ownership is a concept we will never fully understand.
I have only ever seen guns in a museum, in movies or TV almost like they are some abstract concept that don't really exist.
So the idea that pictures of guns on pinball games must be banned when people have actual guns at home seems just seems so mixed up.
It’s the ass backwards beauty that makes this place AMERICA! 🇺🇸
Not to mention Deadpool look at the Pro guns everywhere
Cary, stick with it. Your patriotism on this matter, as well as your sensitivity to the leftists trying to attack 2A is legit.
I think alot of people have missed the point that the weapons in John Wick are intrinsic the the movie franchise. They are an absolute feature of the film series and have a huge following because of it. Again though, the same can be said about the pencil :)
I understand why this video was necessary, but I for one, didn't need it. You may have exhibited more passion than some were comfortable with, but you didn't say anything incorrect.
There is no scenario where Stern comes out of this totally in the right. If they knew about the omission prior to production, they made a bad choice to move forward. If they didn't know until later, they were bad at their business. It would just mean they didn't do the amount of research needed to avoid this.
John Wick is not such an essential property that doing it poorly was worth it, just to be the ones who did it. I wish they had walked away instead of knowingly doing it less than they know they were capable of.
I know that they most likely never get to do a property up exactly the way they want, but when the choice involves things that are integral to the theme, there should be a line. I personally believe they ended up on the wrong side of that line this time.
Spending thousands of dollars on something you know is fundamentally incomplete from the get go because you can then pay even more to make it the way it should have been from the beginning is not a position the consumer should be forced into.
I have added some expensive mods on machines (like my ST lab from Medisynal), but they enhanced a machine that could have been considered complete without it. There's a difference there.
The part that drives me nuts is that the people who would immediately notice this glaring omission are exactly the level of fans who you desperately want. The people who may only buy an expensive toy like this because it is their top dream theme. These are exactly the people who might walk away from it because, in the case of this decision, it was done lesser than it could have easily been done.
Bad choice in the beginning or bad business to not know until it was too late, either way Stern should have known better and you and people like us have nothing to apologize for.
Keep on keeping on.
Cary used The Critical Drinker's The Message.... 😎
good catch
Once retro started wearing FlipnOut gear and promoting them it was obvious his opinions were going to bias to some extent. So it seems every game is a BUY BUY BUY so I like seeing your criticism of manufacturers. People with sales and arcade operations behind them will be reluctant to be critical
No matter the reason, if you over react and act like a child you’ll get blow back. Adding the Hitler quote was bullshit by the way.
How is the hitler quote bullshit? You don’t like it 🧐 armed citizens don’t get led to slaughter dum dum. Read a book 📚
I think the word "toys" was deliberate. I then think the art package was quite simply an oversight. Rather than admit a mistake they say what's true but forgot to realize that didn't pertain to the art.
And like you said, why can you have it in video assets but not art? The logical answer to me is mistake or deliberate choice but not willing to admit either.
Brilliant! Now you can shift the focus of your apologizing away from “Overreacting”, and firmly onto “Quoting Hitler”!😆🤦♂️
I was waiting for the JP movie example. I was bringing that up on my show tonight.
No apologies needed.
Did I apologize?
Hey hickabilly, don’t apologize, that’s what’s expected, sure maybe u went a little hard. Guns aren’t for everyone. But I’m damn glad to have that option if need be. God made man, Samuel Colt made him equal.
Thank you for speaking up. In the pinball community I regularly feel like an outcasts due to my views on political topics. Keep up the good work.
Guy in the beginning has it completely backward. The last people you want own guns is government. 😂 Take two seconds to look at a history book.
So you don’t support the military having guns?
Also Cary don’t feel bad about expressing your opinion, it’s yours, and you’re more than entitled to it. Thank you for being yourself on your platform. ❤ Love the videos.
Nice follow up. I watched your video yesterday & had a good laugh at your expense. I thought your were over reacting. I like this video. I appreciate your even handed follow up to your previous video. Like you, I don’t want all this divisive bullshit that going on in this country to make its way into my hobby. They’ve screwed up sports, movies & etc.
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Came for Pinball, not a 2nd amendment debate.
Thanks for the play by play update!
Lemme finish yer busy week:
“Friday: Farted in my cupped hand. Smelled it.”
Found the beta male.
The intro it’s spot on and
Everyone knows what Disney stands for…back to pinball! 👍
DONT APOLOGIZE. You have zero reason to do so.
Did I apologize?
I also hope this is the last video about these two topics. Love your content Carey! You are the best pinball vlogger on TH-cam! Amen. Let's get back to pinball!
This type of shit makes me want to buy more guns lol
let me know what you get...
@@CaryHardy looking at a benelli m4 in honor of the real JW
Part of the problem, in my opinion, is people comparing the USA to small countries that are much more nationalistic than we are. The US is HUGE with a wildly diverse population and geography. Our states are larger in both population and size than many countries. Our take on nationality traditionally leans more towards individual liberty. It's in our DNA - the government doesn't tell us what we can do. Rather, the government must tell us why we can't do it.
I'm perfectly fine with lack of understanding of USA and guns, but to start calling people with guns "stupid" and "losers"?
@@CaryHardy Oh yeah, that's complete B.S. I believe that kind of response comes from frustrated authoritarians that believe their ideas are so good they must be mandatory. Thanks for the great content!
Interesting that JJP did not seem to have any issues with Godfather... Keep up the great work, it's a shame that some people are willfully ignorant on history and reality.
Im from the Netherlands. Not a gun to be found in anyones home because owning them is against the law. Unless you are a police officer or in active military will you handle one.
I have lived in the USA for over 12 years now, I have shot rifles, pistols and even a shotgun. It is fun, but obviously not for the faint of heart. It can be a great hobby and is a necessity even for hunting and self protection might you encounter such a scenario in your house where you would have to stand your ground. I find other methods way more effective, but to each their own.
His arguments are still completely way beside the point though, because the discussion was about John Wick not having any guns present on the artwork or being part of the game. John Wick = Action & Guns in the movie so why did Stern remove them from the game? Wildly unpopular choice, I think, but remains to be seen while we wait on sale numbers.
What is even WORSE though, and I don't know how many people actually noticed this, but BEHIND THE DUDE IS A LAST ACTION HERO PINBALL MACHINE! IT HAS GUNS ON IT! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?? He dun fucked up.
The only way Stern can make up for it is if they ship all LEs with a Taran Tactical Pit Viper in the coin box.
I’ve been all over the world and it is different overseas but too late for USA not to have guns. Plus we have an open southern border.
In Egypt I had an armed guard in our bus with a semi auto machine gun plus a cop car with four armed police. It was insane but that made me feel safe over there.
Ok, Stern picked a theme known for its guns.
Decided it was going to not put guns in the game.
I can list easy games with guns:
"Bounty Hunter" GTL.
"terminator" WG
"Cactus C." WG.
"Ready Aim Fire" GTL
No one should think stern promotes violence.
If they weren't ready to commit that theme to its entirely then they should have not gone with it.
This is a good video and I am glad stuck to your “guns” where your criticism was justified and backed down where appropriate.
A potential answer to "Why no guns on the art, but yes guns in the video?" is because you would have to re license the copyrighted gun models for new art, while the movie rights holder already has a transferable license for the video clips that they can give to stern.
they don't have to be exact models of them. They could be passable generics, but there may be something else in regards to that possibility too...
That was not the reason. They could have used fantasy, made up gun models on the art like they did in dead pool if that was the reason.
Well the way I see it Stern made the decision to go forward if it’s true about Lionsgate and that shows where the new ownership stands on 2A rights. Maybe Stern should’ve made Barbie and let another company due justice to the Franchise. Don’t Apologize Cary for pointing out what they tried to sweep under the rug.
Thank you, but I didn't apologize. lol
Maybe the decision was made for a number of reasons- arcade locations may not want the guns in a family setting- pins are exported and sold globally where guns aren’t privately owned so society norms are different. Personally doesn’t bother me but this is the 2nd game where a Disney IP has stipulated the removal of an asset or person from the artwork- Mando being the 1st
I like to think pinball is a hobby in which we can come together as Americans and celebrate a love for the game, regardless of political ideology. This video seems in keeping with that spirit. That said, it’s your channel, Cary. You’re totally free to vent and express yourself
You have a right to an opinion as much as anybody, maybe more. Thanks for the time you put in to entertain us and helping the noobs, and championing this hobby.
Plus why Data East Pins are still some of the BEST ever made lol Just sayin
Pew Pew
An Honest and strait forward video. You are dead on with your opinion. Im glad you highlighted the idiotic and uninformed comments of Cengiz. I stand behind you Cary😁👍
I think Stern needs to put more due diligence inside the games they make with a license. This reminds me of Led Zeppelin without Stairway to Heaven. I’m sure Ritchie put effort into some design around it. The Rolling Stones pinball without Gimme Shelter “just a shot away”. I heard a lot of other songs were picked out instead of the ones on there. I was going to watch John Wick until I found out they shoot guns. A lot of them. How ridiculous does that sound. When WOKE comes into something I like… I disapprove by not spending my hard earned dollar on it. Not just with pinball but sports, music, food, etc etc.
Everyone should do a MASSIVE boycott. This should sell single digits. Need to send a massive message we will NOT tolerate this kind of garbage.
There isn’t a reason for you to backpedal, Cary. Stand your ground!
I don't think I was backpedaling...
Do not backtrack and cower! What you said needed to be said and is still fundamentally true! No baby games!
Cengiz wtf, even here Australia we get to go out and hunt if we want to, without gun toting pistols etc. Scandi lefty stuff seriously gimme a break it's OTT shit🙄. Enjoy pinball. Lionsgate licensing sucks period.
George’s comment mentioned 4K. But doesn’t Stern’s screen only display 720p or 1080P?
either way. The screen is so small that 1080p from 4' away is plenty!
Right now its just an odd decision to exclude something the series is known for. If before each game starts there is a big graphic about how guns are bad then its a problem.
No need to apologize Cary.
Let me know where I apologized...
@@CaryHardy yeah, your right, you didn’t.
The guy in your intro might have been singing a different tune back in 1945 when men with guns came, and ousted the guys who took his country from him, with their guns…
1935, but I feel ya man. Stupid has no bounds. He even had a LAH behind him with guns all over it.
Wow, the education-level in the US really does suck, does it?
In 1945 black kids couldn’t go to school with white kids you goober
Talking like this when the subject is a JOHN WICK FILM is fucking absurd. Don't make a pin based on a movie where the main character kills HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WITH A GUN if you feel this way.
Ya said what ya meant, and meant what ya said. I am not getting into politics here. 2A definitely. But John Wick got guns! Lots of pinballs have guns!
In the videogames industry weird requests can happen for licenses. It's entirely possible they see pinball as a thing that goes into kids play areas and didn't want poster art of guns around. However, as someone paying a million dollars for a license, I would set that term before hand. "We have a vision for this product are you interested to take our million dollars or not." Maybe you can head to Turner and load up your guns and blast a John Wick Pro. I get the vibe he owns some guns. Lost all respect for Retro. The entire world is chaos. Murder/crime/rape happens in Europe too. "I'll just call the police who will show up in 20 minutes with a knife. You see I'm from Europe." Understand that movies are "restricted" aka "R" rated. You have to go behind an adult wall to see them, so it's possible they requested no guns. I own that same gun you posted in the last video.
Why are we still arguing about this? John Wick has guns and kills people, how is that not represented in the pinball? It's blatantly obvious. Also how does the licensor not realise that's the point of the character in the IP? I'm still hoping this is a good game regardless.
I see a big time, big dollar mod coming on. Diddy, Stumblor you out there?
It doesn't look like any mode in the game can have you collect a firearm as a weapon it would have been awesome to collect the dragons breath shotgun as a weapon since they show a clip of it from the movie inside the game 👀
Cary I swear the next time I see you I'm giving you a bro hug. We've met many times before and yea I'm a pretty shy guy, but you're gonna the Big Willie hug. 🤣
I’m a Brit, but know a few US people who are gun owners. When I went over there, I had two hours training before being allowed to go out on the range (an hour from my friend and another hour at the range itself). No one was crazy or irresponsible, at any point, and I acknowledge it’s a genuine cultural difference originating in the frontier bits of the USA.
I find it desperately silly that you can’t have guns on a pin, according to Liongate, but you can have knives, machetes and nunchucks when most violent crime in London is from… drum roll… knives. Perhaps the British export version of John Wick should only include pencils and bananas in the weapons crate.
12:47 Ordeal? Jesus ask yourself should you have a gun.
The Godfather pin has guns in the game. I'm disappointed the game is missing guns.
I'm with you on the movie clips. If they included those this makes no sense. If I was a nieve parent and didn't know what John Wick was but my kid wanted to play a pinball/arcade game based on it - wouldn't I rather know up front that there are guns involved? Looking at the pin they'd have no idea until the movie clips started playing, if they were even around for it at that point. It doesn't make any sense.
It’s freaking pinball. Most things things don’t make sense in Pinball.
I only saw that beginning clip so far, and mark my words. This is the beginning of the end for stern now.
We have to band together and help spooky raise their level of quality as they are going to be the new “go to” for the average pin player. Jersey Jack will be the “high end” machines and stern will deteriorate away. It’s time, since c0vid the quality of their machines have tanked. Everything feels extremely cheap even the wood. This is the first public move towards their demise. Venom was a terrible decision, jaws was a garbage design, and now they bend the knee to this trash. A TRUE company would have told the the license holder “then we aren’t doing the deal” -
That’s the KEY everyone is missing. A company with a backbone and integrity would have told the license holder “then we aren’t interested”
And they could have done a fast swap to another game with the same style of design (it’s happened many times before) even something like gladiators which was supposed to be Zelda. - (gladiators rules)
Sad to see you flip flop like this though :(
think people have to get a grip..in WWII, Japan invade the Philippines, a US commonwealth, where the people were generally disarmed except for farm tools..the US base of Corrigedor was conquered which forced my ethnic group and the 130 others to fight and disarm the Japanese with the farm tools and martial arts that we kept hidden from the Spanish and the US..the US constitution allows its citizens to not be placed into a situation that forced my grandfathers to go into the jungles and become guerillas of which the US created their own force because they saw how successful our way was...unless people think they can take on barbarians with a cross look and harsh word, they should reflect on that.
fun facts:
1) the thing where John Wick could take someone out with a pencil comes from the martial art that my people have which makes anything an extension of our hands...pencils, spoons, credit cards, etc.
2) the creation and development of the semiauto pistol from 1899 to 1910 was rooted in fighting 5'4" men from the southern Philippines with the strength, speed and agility of Bruce Lee and Manny Pacquiao(who by the way is descended from those men)
People want everything on a pinball but the pinball
Looks like the Wick owners want to separate themselves from the gun nuts
Gun nuts are pissed
But I will say again,if you think you are John wick when you walk around with your gun you have mental problems
I don’t care for guns but I don’t reject everything that has one like movies ,etc
Cause I’m not a lunatic
Like a gun nut
seriously its a game.... unreal
I stand with you brother 🇺🇸
Don't apologize to these cry babies
OH!, and, yes no apology necessary.
I don't think I apologized? Did I?
Thanks Cary!
There is an agenda. Don’t care about the source but I don’t have to fund the agenda.
People that are prone to getting butthurt will find a way. Sharks eating balls, pictures of guns, people will find their way to get upset about something of their choosing. I’ll continue to seek out happy people that play pinball in my favorite hobby that lets me escape all the assholes in daily life.
With all the videos this week, your ad revenue will fund your John Wick LE.
Keep it going.
Dream on, dude’s probably lucky to make $50 a video
I was being facetious.
Shots fired?
I don't think you are completely unjustified. In a way, it's similar to having Jaws but saying you can't have blood. If Licensegate would have given permission, I'd like to think Stern would definitely add the boomsticks....Ash/Evil Dead Pinball, please, btw.
As far as Licensegate's choice...doesn't make sense.
How hilarious would it be if Licensegate had a contract with Spooky Pinball for Saw and said, "Umm, yea. But no saws in the playfield/artwork."
Your opinion is totally valid. Doesn't bother me much since I'm not as invested in the movies, but you made a good point.
Stern should use some leverage with creative decisions with these mid tier licensing themes. Its a negotiated process. And if the decision is to neuter Mr Wick, Stern could have gotten out ahead of this issue instead of being reactionary.
Dude don't use excuses that you worked out and you're hungry. You just lost me totally with that lie from you. Just the same way I do NOT believe Stern didn't get permission from Lionsgate to use guns. GIVE ME A BREAK you believe that? For real you believe that? Lionsgate the lowest hanging fruit in the license World is going to make FOUR movies about a guy killing people with GUNS... and they'll tell Stern you can't use GUNS! OMG please you buying that? Dude just stick to what you said even though you said it honestly don't back track. GUNS on the GAME isn't a second admen right issue... its that STERN MADE A GAME ABOUT JOHN WICK who uses guns and they nixed it. End of story! If you don't want to feature guns on a game don't license JOHN WICK! DUH!
I did stick to it. Those were minor issues, but the MAIN issue was the possible agenda movement into my passion. Pretty sure I made that clear. The other items were merely what probably kept me from making the video more language friendly. lol
@@CaryHardy no you tried to back track by saying you were hungry that you just got back from the gym. You also babbled about maybe you didn’t mean it this way or that way. A few things you totally got wrong is that men bond with characters like this we want to be those people. Raise your hand if you want to kill people for a living or be shot at all day… no thanks. With that being said STERN wasn’ t told by Lionsgate you cant use guns from a gun themed movie that is crazy talk. Also when did John wick use a spear and spears are all over the game. Clearly Stern said well lets nix the guns so replace with spears. I mean that is nuts. The moral of the story is clear if you don[t want to use guns in your game because you’re from Chicago GUN CRIME capital of the USA, or. You’re just way to liberal then DO NOT LICENSE JOHN WICK! End of story!
Do not bend the knee
….waiting for the next upcoming 10 videos just about guns on artwork packages :):)
John Wick without any guns is even more kafkaesque than baywatch without D. Hasselhoff would be :):)
I agree with you and your perspective 100%...2A all the way! God, Guns, Family, Pinball...Stay strong.
Who’s the F is that
💯
Couldn’t agree more with you Cary. 2A 🇺🇸
I’m glad I bought godfather , jjp don’t play that crap !!!
Screw retrocenco. You are the man cary. And we all support you and your content.
Anyone going to get on a soapbox to ban machetes? We keep hearing about people being done in with them. A British soldier was ambushed in London a few years ago by men with machetes who took their time butchering him while unarmed citizens watched and hoped that someone would save him but no. Guns in the hands of the wrong people are bad. Responsible gun owners make differences and can/do save lives. The machine was a poor choice to go forward with once the firearm restriction was disclosed.
I don’t mind guns in movies or pinballs though, but come on
So everybody must have guns ?
So everybody must have guns ?
Yeah man, it's working: "The U.S. has the 28th-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. That was more than seven times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.57 deaths per 100,000 people - and about 340 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.013 deaths per 100,000"
In hindsight, you probably should have eaten that Chipotle before you filmed the video. 🤣 Shit happens. I'll take an honest opinion any day.
Stern isn’t trying to take your guns away but they are buttering up a system that is gearing up to do as such. Appropriate quote at the start despite the horrible individual that said it. Bravo man.
I've been hearing "they're coming for your guns" for almost 50 years. It's becoming the same as fundamentalists predicting the end of the world.
So someone on the internet overreacted before knowing all the facts? Wow, never seen that before. LOL. Keep up the good work Cary, I like your content (usually). :)
mod installation videos are awesome