I have installed UPR Deluxe catch cans on day #1, on all of my new Hemis. The UPR does a perfect job in keeping oil out of the throttle bodies and intakes. I even pull the can-to-intake hose occasionally to check for oil. I Q-tip the inside of the hoses, and they come out clean. I am a firm believer that catch cans are worth the cost, if I want to keep power robbing oil out of the intake systems.
I mean I guess, you can’t see anything he is pointing at and he is proving why you do need one despite the title of the video. Ahhhhh Clickbait your my only friend hahaha
Excellent explanation on how Catch Can/Air-Oil Separator works, and most importantly how increasing the efficiency of the System [for both Clean & Dirty sides] helps, specially for a boosted engine. Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thanks!
Thank you for taking the time to explaining a little more in depth about what to look for in a catch can. I have a 2000 Ford 7.3L diesel and getting oil back in the intake and throughout the inner-cooler and its pipping is always a big problem. Mishimoto makes a catch can for my truck, but I feel like the media element is to thin to work effectively. That being said if there was anymore information that you could give about catch cans, possibly touching on how thick a media should be to be effective for a specific application might be a good idea. Thanks again for being a true inspiration and shout out to your production team who can also use some love!
ProVent 200, keep the hoses large, it needs the volume, filter element is thin, thats ok, not the cheap china metal screen ones though they dont do the job,
Did you end up going with the Mishimoto high flow? I believe that's the only one thats made with a 1 inch line for the flow from all of my research. Its quite pricey so I was thinking of using 2 less expensive one's with around a 3/8 hoses on each, hoping I can achieve that higher flow with minimal restriction. At least that's what made sense to me in my head lol any input from anyone would also be helpful?
Excellent explanation of something I have wondered about for years. Ever since buying a BT catchcan for my old 6.1 SRT 300. I have to admit I am always surprised by the amount of oil it contains on the rare occasions that I remember to empty it!
Got one on my Direct Injected engine, you wouldn't believe the amount of oil and WATER it pulls out... All that crap goes straight into your intake if you don't have it, just look at all the trashed V.W. out there. 100% recommend
a catch can works so differently depending on temperature, these new cars try and heat the cats up quick. Go into sub freezing temps all that extra fuel is pushed in and past the rings into the crankcase. Without the can the oil level raises and dilutes the oil with fuel unless engine operating temps are stabilized and can vaporize the fuel.. unless your in a warm climate it's not a big deal but in a colder region its an issue on all vehicals...(Thats why I use Amsoil Sig series) Just for the added protection. I dump my can once a week when its -20/30c and is a pain in the ass. Even having a bottom drain most of the time there's so much condensation built up its frozen water at the bottom and wont drain.. But yeah it 's worth it, as Bretton says. older motors ect... for me without the can the oil level would rise unless I hit the highway long enough for the gas in the oil to vaporize and be burned off. lesson 101 on cans.. USE THEM!! They work! Gawd I need to move to the south!
I have a BT on my Scat Pack. It collects a significant amount of oil vapor but enough gets through to put a sticky coating on the intake runners and the back of the intake valves. My 5.7L Ram has 180K miles no catch can and runs like new. So, I'm not sure how much good the catch can does but it sure doesn't hurt and I feel better knowing some of the crap isn't getting to the combustion chamber. Thanks for the great video. I'll save this link for next time the catch can discussion comes up on the Challengertalk forum.
I always thought the clean side hose was the one were the pcv gas came thru. Nearly put the catch can on the wrong godamn side. Thanks a lot and appreciate u guys for clearing this up.
@Forza Tuning & Performance ..Your so right on the GDI engine, In the warmer climates it isn't that much of a problem for forced induction. Where I live up in Canada where it hits -40c the can is a MUST! You know that but others don't. The GDI basically over fuels the engine to run rich thus to heat up the catalytic converter for emissions. With having a turbo as example it'll force the excess fuel into the crankcase and you then have another issue, oil dilution with fuel. I deal with that every winter and dump my can twice a week just because of all the excess fuel and moisture that collects in the can.. Id rather freeze my ballz dumping it out then have to take the car into the oil change place every month for an oil change.
I installed a UPR dual valve system(3 connections) on my 2013 F150 D.I. with Ecoboost , about 8 years ago, and every 1000 miles I get about 1/2 liter of what separates out to be Water, Sludge, and oil gas mix on the top. It removes enough water that I no longer get the intercooler slug of water I did at first and stopped the "puking" under load that the early units had. (nothing like pulling out to pass and losing power due to a water slug from intercooler) Forza's advice on a catch can on any D.I. engine is spot on. I just bought a 2013 Lincoln MKZ D.I. with ecoboost (16,000 miles, like new) ad am looking for a dual valve unit for that or for it's twin the Ford Fusion. Might have to cobble one together. My can is over a quart, and these oil/air separators would need to be emptied weekly , at least, with those 2 oz cans.
Man I want one of those big FORZA banners for my garage!!! Hahaha. This channel has the BEST info on Hellcats and Mopar on TH-cam IMO. I’m addicted to this channel. Keep up the Great work Brent I have learned so much from watching your videos and being a gear head myself I can’t get enough of the videos. I would Love to visit that shop one day with my Redeye. 🙏🏻
Thanks for the detailed, easily understandable tutorial. I have naturally aspirated vehicles ranging from 1998 to 2021. Where is the LIST of engines that have direct injection?
First of all, the modem days engine oil separator already take count of the oil separate capability. If you wants to add additional capability to reduce the oil pull over, any catch can would do the job. The whole ideal is to add the volume to the system to so the oil droplets to drop off instead of circulation back to the intake.
They really should add them to all high performance applications at the factory, but isn't absolutely 100% necessary and is just a really good precaution though. I've got a top-quality one on the 6.1 in my Challenger, and amazes me how much builds up in between oil changes
Always use a catch can if you rev your engine over 6000 rpm, oil and blow by vaporize and will go into the engine otherwise. Forced induction could cause that stuff to burn before it even gets to the cylinder. Catch can is the way to go! Great video, so much information here!
@@XxCrazedEvolutionXx I’ve been running one on the clean side to test if necessary. Results after 10,000 miles and multiple 6300 rpm pulls, NOT NECESSARY to have catch can on clean side. My motor has stock ring gap though and it is a very clean 70k motor so if big ring gap is used it still may be necessary but I’ll find that out later. No detrimental effects of running catch can on both sides of engine for NA.
In LPG engines years ago we used to install upper cylinder lubrication kit to lubricate the valve seats on the inlet side. Diesels are no different. Engine oil sucked through the PCV will act as a upper cylinder lubricant.
Thank you for the way you explain, i really enjoy and listen to you carefully and understand everything that i had doubts about, and i also own a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 6.1 so i LOVVE these cars
Your detailed explanation is so good. Subscribed! I have installed a BT catch can on my 5.7 Charger. All good. It's catching oil. Now, I'm looking for a catch can for my wife's Audi with 2.0T. All the catch cans that I find for that car is replacing the original oil separator. The line after catch can is routed back into the engine instead of Intake Manifold. I don't understand why we even need to catch oil in that case. A few people are complaining that the can fills very quickly. The catch can manufacturers must have their reasons to make them this way... But what do you think will be wrong if I just install a universal one on the line between oil separator and intake manifold?
Most vehicles from the early 60s and before did not use a PCV system. They just had a tube dropping out under the vehicle to vent the crankcase to the atmosphere. Dirty yes. Smog in cities yes. I call them "Barf tubes"
Awesome quality video the only thing that peeved me off is take 2 steps forward and show inside the actual engine bay and be great to inside the different cans
I have it on my 392 6.4 . I don't understand why wouldn't u use it due it does it's job and catching nasty oil fumes what settles as oil or whatever it is . It's really nasty. Absolutely worth it to have it.
I have one on my 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Hemi. Paid $49.99 on ebay and it works pretty damn gud. My intake is clean and the catch can catches bout 1/2 oz every 1000 miles maybe less.
Best explanation yet. My question is, i have a 2014 3.5l eco, and do i need worry about having a can both sides. some say no, some say yes. From what your saying CCV side is fine, in my case, without a second can. Thanxs, best video on cans, Nice
That's why the stuff that comes out of that catch can is a volatile mix of fuel and oil and combustion gases, along with some condensation/water. I don't care to be reburning that mix.
@Forza Tuning & Performance your in Florida where it isn't cold, try your experiment here in Canada in the winter when it's -30c and see what collects in a catch can. I have a turbo charged GDI SUV and I tell you I have to empty it once to twice a week depending on temps... Usually when it's ice cold I have to run the vehicle for an hour to warm up the can because at the bottom is water that's frozen, then gas floating on top with next to no oil burn off. I actually use believe it or not, a beer can foam sleeve around the can to hold the heat in the can so it dont freeze as fast and it actually works... summer time I also use it to keep the heat lower so it can condense in the can.. catch cans are so finicky it isn't even funny!
Yes, there are lots of variables we can’t possibly cover in one video. This is helpful for anybody reading in extremely cold climates. Another modification you could do is the Move Mod. It’s moving out of the Artic Tundra and bring your car and catch can with you. These you can use that beer Koozie to keep your beer cold while sitting at the beach.
Do you have any setups like that for a Stinger GT2? I want to install an oil catch can but I'm worried about pressure building up in the crankcase so for the time being i decided to hold off.
I have regular 25$ can on 2022 Mdx and it does catch oil. So you don’t need turbo or super charged engin. I bought it brand new and it does still catch oil. Some miss information You don’t need expensive can. but also some good info thx
What? You have air going into the engine through the valve cover? That wild! I have air coming out of the engine Through the valve covers. For Every vehicle i've owned since 1984. Like....30 Ford chevy dodge Shovelhead Evo twin cams. I knew those hellcats were cool but I had no idea how unique they were.
I like the explanation but when your pointing wish I could see better what your pointing to. But you are talking about upgrading whish is the opposite of the title. But thumbs up for letting me know.
Great informative vid, could u plz make a vid about LT4 superchargered engine that comes in Camaro ZL1 and CT5-V BLACKWING, What should, and shouldnt do regarding catch cans. This would be a huge help. Thanks alot
Thing is that on an $80k car, supercharged, turbo charged, etc. than they would have a catch can/similar system, if the engineers concluded A. that they are necessary and B. cost-effective. So why is it that these types of cars don't already have such a system in the first place?
Very informative,l will be purchasing a 2023 c8 corvette, was thinking about installing one (a catch can) but if it’s going to be of no real benefit don’t want to be throwing money away either, your thoughts? Thanks Eric Brake
Thanks for the great explanation of how the system works. Just bought a 3.5L Ecoboost F150 last Friday, saw several recommendations to install a catch can (or dual cans). Now I can understand the need more clearly.
If you have Direct Injection (and no additional port injectors) GET AN OIL CATCH CAN!. I put a Cork Sport OCC on my 2019 MAZA CX-5 (2.5 L. turbo.) At 7,000 miles I drained 1/2 cup of nasty brown liquid from my catch can. SO happy that crap didn't go through my engine! ** Even so I'll have my dealer clean the intake valves at 50,000 miles with BG brand cleaner fluid.
I've seen other videos where there was a good amount of water that was caught in the catch can (water being a byproduct of combustion). This seams like a good thing also, but i live in the north with freezing temps. Will the water freeze inside the filter media and prevent PCV breathing altogether?!
I have a friend who installed a catch can (Cheap Catch Can with no filter in it from what I remember) The condensation froze in the plumbing/ Tubing so badly that it completely blocked the breathing of the engine causing oil to seep out of the valve cover, Exhaust system, Intake pretty much where ever the pressure could possibly leave, It was a total mess he removed it and had no problems after. I do like the idea of catch cans but like you I live where it can get pretty cold and it makes me very skeptical on using catch cans. Have to do more research on it before I can decide. All I can say is be careful living in colder climates with it, If the car starts to smoke like it's on fire trough the exhaust system and misfiring because it's eating its own oil the catch can could be the issue.
@@tyrel7185 I see what you mean, pretty slick to keep it close to heat. My concern is on start up though, when you have the extra pressure and when the crank seal tends to burst. No time for the ice to freeze from the engine. Thanks for the suggestion though.
What about the hose coming off the valve cover going to the intake tube,can you put a breather on the valve cover and block off the port on the intake tube?, ☮️
Idk it seem the same as regular catch can. I don’t want to recycle it. Just add more material inside the can. There is no reason the pressure should change unless you put small hoses.
Let's say your CC is 4-5 yrs old.How would you go about cleaning and maintaining the system?Eventually the check valves and filtering media will need to be cleaned wouldn't it?
I keep learning more and more from these great presentations. Can you tell me if you also do the evans waterless radiator flush, am ordering a redeye the end of march of 22 and its going to be in your area at drop top customs for three weeks and would like to have it shipped over for that and a stage 4 conversion . Thanks.
-- Great presentation. Question, and probably a cringe one: 2004 Chevy Tahoe 5.3L What's to stop me from sealing the intake manifold, hose for drool down utterly gutting the PVC system? - Rather than using a separator?
Would say this video is correct... On our boosted application we have a breather catch can rated for high pressure, our NA has a can for regular crank case pressures and I only use them on the "dirty" side as the clean side shows nothing as tested by the many on forums for those applications if I am in error I wouldn't mind a reply...Thanks
Great video. One question I have. 22 Hellcat challenger 6.2 ltr. Would running a CFM crank case ventilator be useless? I ordered it before I had watched your video. And you seem pretty clear that the 6.2 hemi doesn’t have a positive pressure issue even one of your extreme boost. So please clarify for me should I send this back of the company or would it hurt anything by running it anyway
I just shouted out your shop, Kevin Van Voris needs your magic, shops keep blowing up his hellcats engine. Hopefully he reaches out to you! Awesome vid and info!
I have a 2018 Chevrolet impala premier 3.6l v6 vvt engine. My question is would a catch can be adequate for this engine.? Engine has 75,000 miles on it had a intake cleaning about a year and a half ago. My vehicle is well maintained change my oil full synthetic every 4,000 miles
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Hold up, Why would clean need air be introduced INTO the crank case? As you stated at the start, is this a hellcat engine thing? also HOW are you getting 1 side of the engine to PULL air in, while the other is pushing air out. Generally your right, The engine is mostly under positive pressure pushing those blow by gasses out. and they need to go somewhere, so its sent out too the intake or the turbo or SC or watever, there would be vacuum situation also, under idle most probably. this is normally controlled by having one way check valves on the hoses that connect the crank cases to the intakes. (aka PCV valve) im jus confused as to why and how the clean intake air (which isnt under any more pressure than atmosphere, since its source is before any kind of compression, if anything its vacuum, as its trying to be sucked INTO the intake), would be pulled into one side of the engine, and sent down to the crank, and out through to the other side. is there some wild check valve only allowing pressure crankcase pressure to escape to the left side of the engine?
Im in love with my is250 direct injection. so i may just do this for engine effeciency purposes ? I would feel good knowing those gases arent returning to important areas of the engine.
Such informative explanation for engine ventilation, my question is about air pump that attached with main pulley and connected by hoses with rocker covers?? Is it same concept that explained??
I have a 2010 BMW X5M S63 4.4 engine twin turbo with Oil Separators in each valve cover. The oil separator on the passenger side is faulty. BMW quoted $2K to replace. Can I put an oil catch can inline, between the outside of the valve cover and the air intake? I get a plume of smoke only after idling for about 5 minutes, otherwise, no smoke.
Can you help explain how I could hook one up to my trailblazer. I think mines a little different … should I just install it on the valve cover and then to the reservoir that connects to it? I had a good amount of oil in the reservoir and my TB gets dirty quick
Looking to maybe put one on my TRX, i live in Wisconsin. Ive heard in really cold winter months the catch can can build up condensation, fill with water and build up pressure. Thoughts on what to do?
I see a lot of hemi guys use catch cans. I bought a new challenger RT with 5.7 hemi back in 2011 and never added a catch can to it. It drove Perfectly fine. I sold that car a few months ago which had about 75k miles on it. Then bought 2020 Hellcat Redeye Widebody. Everyone is telling me I need a catch can on it. If it needed it, why wouldn’t it come on this $90k car in the first place? Also for the guys that are catching oil in their cans, what brand motor oil are you using? I know my car performed kinda sluggish before my first oil change. Everyone said use the pennzoil platinum synthetic that dodge recommends. But I decided to order some cases of the Amsoil signature series oil and their filter. Car runs much better now and will be the only oil I will run in my car. Does anyone run Amsoil oil and what is in your catch can after a few thousand miles or at oil change time?
Catch cans don’t come from the factory because not every one is a gear head who likes the car. Only those who install it will be responsible for checking it periodically. Ask any real mechanic. You didnt install one on your old car but guess what you would of had a cleaner and higher performing engine if you did install one. I can tell you right now if you put it on the dyno your car would underperform regardless of “how good your exhaust note sounds”
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I have installed UPR Deluxe catch cans on day #1, on all of my new Hemis. The UPR does a perfect job in keeping oil out of the throttle bodies and intakes. I even pull the can-to-intake hose occasionally to check for oil. I Q-tip the inside of the hoses, and they come out clean. I am a firm believer that catch cans are worth the cost, if I want to keep power robbing oil out of the intake systems.
I ordered the upr catch can for my 6.2 gmc denali its just the normal one do u think thats good enough?
Best explanation of crankcase ventilation I’ve seen. Lots of “experts” out there but you’ve explained it well and easy to understand.
Man that cameraman kept that 6 feet! Wish could see the engine bay closer as you were pointing.
Camera man scared of catching Covid from him and following social distancing. 😂
lol @ social distancing.
Told him to stay back because he just came back from the gym and wanted to capture the full affect.
@@Mike-4547 swole lol
@@Burgher1605 the cameras can zoom in
I love how professional this gentlemen is how passionate he is about his career.
I mean I guess, you can’t see anything he is pointing at and he is proving why you do need one despite the title of the video. Ahhhhh Clickbait your my only friend hahaha
@@Thunder_Dream_Designs the only thing that peeved me off lol. Omg take 2 steps forward and show the engine bay ffs
he really likes the blow by cause he is gay
Excellent explanation on how Catch Can/Air-Oil Separator works, and most importantly how increasing the efficiency of the System [for both Clean & Dirty sides] helps, specially for a boosted engine. Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thanks!
Thanks for explaining the clean/dirty side concept. That made things click in my head.
Thank you for taking the time to explaining a little more in depth about what to look for in a catch can. I have a 2000 Ford 7.3L diesel and getting oil back in the intake and throughout the inner-cooler and its pipping is always a big problem. Mishimoto makes a catch can for my truck, but I feel like the media element is to thin to work effectively. That being said if there was anymore information that you could give about catch cans, possibly touching on how thick a media should be to be effective for a specific application might be a good idea. Thanks again for being a true inspiration and shout out to your production team who can also use some love!
ProVent 200, keep the hoses large, it needs the volume, filter element is thin, thats ok, not the cheap china metal screen ones though they dont do the job,
Did you end up going with the Mishimoto high flow? I believe that's the only one thats made with a 1 inch line for the flow from all of my research. Its quite pricey so I was thinking of using 2 less expensive one's with around a 3/8 hoses on each, hoping I can achieve that higher flow with minimal restriction. At least that's what made sense to me in my head lol any input from anyone would also be helpful?
I love the honesty of this man he doesn’t care about taking people’s money from he believes in his work and there’s money people like that
Excellent explanation of something I have wondered about for years. Ever since buying a BT catchcan for my old 6.1 SRT 300. I have to admit I am always surprised by the amount of oil it contains on the rare occasions that I remember to empty it!
Got one on my Direct Injected engine, you wouldn't believe the amount of oil and WATER it pulls out... All that crap goes straight into your intake if you don't have it, just look at all the trashed V.W. out there. 100% recommend
a catch can works so differently depending on temperature, these new cars try and heat the cats up quick. Go into sub freezing temps all that extra fuel is pushed in and past the rings into the crankcase. Without the can the oil level raises and dilutes the oil with fuel unless engine operating temps are stabilized and can vaporize the fuel.. unless your in a warm climate it's not a big deal but in a colder region its an issue on all vehicals...(Thats why I use Amsoil Sig series) Just for the added protection. I dump my can once a week when its -20/30c and is a pain in the ass. Even having a bottom drain most of the time there's so much condensation built up its frozen water at the bottom and wont drain.. But yeah it 's worth it, as Bretton says. older motors ect... for me without the can the oil level would rise unless I hit the highway long enough for the gas in the oil to vaporize and be burned off. lesson 101 on cans.. USE THEM!! They work! Gawd I need to move to the south!
I have a BT on my Scat Pack. It collects a significant amount of oil vapor but enough gets through to put a sticky coating on the intake runners and the back of the intake valves. My 5.7L Ram has 180K miles no catch can and runs like new. So, I'm not sure how much good the catch can does but it sure doesn't hurt and I feel better knowing some of the crap isn't getting to the combustion chamber. Thanks for the great video. I'll save this link for next time the catch can discussion comes up on the Challengertalk forum.
I always thought the clean side hose was the one were the pcv gas came thru. Nearly put the catch can on the wrong godamn side. Thanks a lot and appreciate u guys for clearing this up.
@Forza Tuning & Performance ..Your so right on the GDI engine, In the warmer climates it isn't that much of a problem for forced induction. Where I live up in Canada where it hits -40c the can is a MUST! You know that but others don't. The GDI basically over fuels the engine to run rich thus to heat up the catalytic converter for emissions. With having a turbo as example it'll force the excess fuel into the crankcase and you then have another issue, oil dilution with fuel. I deal with that every winter and dump my can twice a week just because of all the excess fuel and moisture that collects in the can.. Id rather freeze my ballz dumping it out then have to take the car into the oil change place every month for an oil change.
I really want your setup versus the garbage out there but not ready to spend $6000 on a package. Great stuff! You are a leader in the industry.
I installed a UPR dual valve system(3 connections) on my 2013 F150 D.I. with Ecoboost , about 8 years ago, and every 1000 miles I get about 1/2 liter of what separates out to be Water, Sludge, and oil gas mix on the top. It removes enough water that I no longer get the intercooler slug of water I did at first and stopped the "puking" under load that the early units had. (nothing like pulling out to pass and losing power due to a water slug from intercooler) Forza's advice on a catch can on any D.I. engine is spot on. I just bought a 2013 Lincoln MKZ D.I. with ecoboost (16,000 miles, like new) ad am looking for a dual valve unit for that or for it's twin the Ford Fusion. Might have to cobble one together. My can is over a quart, and these oil/air separators would need to be emptied weekly , at least, with those 2 oz cans.
I appreciate the strip light under the hood, just to show us the engine bay properly 👍 Cheers
Man I want one of those big FORZA banners for my garage!!! Hahaha. This channel has the BEST info on Hellcats and Mopar on TH-cam IMO. I’m addicted to this channel. Keep up the Great work Brent I have learned so much from watching your videos and being a gear head myself I can’t get enough of the videos. I would Love to visit that shop one day with my Redeye. 🙏🏻
Thanks for the detailed, easily understandable tutorial. I have naturally aspirated vehicles ranging from 1998 to 2021. Where is the LIST of engines that have direct injection?
Did you threaten the camera person? It looks like they're afraid to get anywhere near you or the engine? ( At least for the first ten minutes).
First of all, the modem days engine oil separator already take count of the oil separate capability. If you wants to add additional capability to reduce the oil pull over, any catch can would do the job. The whole ideal is to add the volume to the system to so the oil droplets to drop off instead of circulation back to the intake.
Oil pull over???....blow by???
They really should add them to all high performance applications at the factory, but isn't absolutely 100% necessary and is just a really good precaution though. I've got a top-quality one on the 6.1 in my Challenger, and amazes me how much builds up in between oil changes
Ya. I approximated about 6 Oz of oil per 3k miles.....and they say we don't need one?
if the oil is getting deposited into the catch can that basically is removing the engine oil out of the sump, correct.
@@kennylavay8492 You are correct. Make sure to check your engine oil if you are finding oil in the catch can.
“Might as well put a beer can on it.” 😂
16oz or 32oz. B specific duuudddee. You are vacuuming the hell out of my brain.
Great video and well done.
I'm getting ready to do a 4200 Atlas and this gave me enough information to make it right.
Always use a catch can if you rev your engine over 6000 rpm, oil and blow by vaporize and will go into the engine otherwise. Forced induction could cause that stuff to burn before it even gets to the cylinder. Catch can is the way to go! Great video, so much information here!
Can I put a catch can on the clean side too?
@@XxCrazedEvolutionXx I’ve been running one on the clean side to test if necessary. Results after 10,000 miles and multiple 6300 rpm pulls, NOT NECESSARY to have catch can on clean side. My motor has stock ring gap though and it is a very clean 70k motor so if big ring gap is used it still may be necessary but I’ll find that out later. No detrimental effects of running catch can on both sides of engine for NA.
In LPG engines years ago we used to install upper cylinder lubrication kit to lubricate the valve seats on the inlet side.
Diesels are no different. Engine oil sucked through the PCV will act as a upper cylinder lubricant.
we just left valve seals off-LPG
Thank you for the way you explain, i really enjoy and listen to you carefully and understand everything that i had doubts about, and i also own a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 6.1 so i LOVVE these cars
Your detailed explanation is so good. Subscribed! I have installed a BT catch can on my 5.7 Charger. All good. It's catching oil. Now, I'm looking for a catch can for my wife's Audi with 2.0T. All the catch cans that I find for that car is replacing the original oil separator. The line after catch can is routed back into the engine instead of Intake Manifold. I don't understand why we even need to catch oil in that case. A few people are complaining that the can fills very quickly. The catch can manufacturers must have their reasons to make them this way... But what do you think will be wrong if I just install a universal one on the line between oil separator and intake manifold?
This channel deserves more subs
Most vehicles from the early 60s and before did not use a PCV system. They just had a tube dropping out under the vehicle to vent the crankcase to the atmosphere. Dirty yes. Smog in cities yes. I call them "Barf tubes"
Awesome quality video the only thing that peeved me off is take 2 steps forward and show inside the actual engine bay and be great to inside the different cans
Noted!🙌
I have it on my 392 6.4 . I don't understand why wouldn't u use it due it does it's job and catching nasty oil fumes what settles as oil or whatever it is . It's really nasty. Absolutely worth it to have it.
I've added JLT oil Catch Can to my 5.3 LS AFM Engine and it made a difference. Although i am sure this upgrade not for every engine out there.
Great video explaining the catch can. I always wanted to know if I needed one for a stock LEXUS ISF. Now I know I don't need it. Thanks 👊
Glad I could help
I have one on my 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Hemi. Paid $49.99 on ebay and it works pretty damn gud. My intake is clean and the catch can catches bout 1/2 oz every 1000 miles maybe less.
Love the videos you guys do. I always learn so much from these.
Thanks and keep ‘em coming😊
Thanks! Will do!
Best explanation yet. My question is, i have a 2014 3.5l eco, and do i need worry about having a can both sides. some say no, some say yes. From what your saying CCV side is fine, in my case, without a second can. Thanxs, best video on cans, Nice
That's why the stuff that comes out of that catch can is a volatile mix of fuel and oil and combustion gases, along with some condensation/water. I don't care to be reburning that mix.
Great walk through on catch cans but you should get some sponsor credit on that Milwaukee light. Had to snag one after seeing this video!
@Forza Tuning & Performance your in Florida where it isn't cold, try your experiment here in Canada in the winter when it's -30c and see what collects in a catch can. I have a turbo charged GDI SUV and I tell you I have to empty it once to twice a week depending on temps... Usually when it's ice cold I have to run the vehicle for an hour to warm up the can because at the bottom is water that's frozen, then gas floating on top with next to no oil burn off. I actually use believe it or not, a beer can foam sleeve around the can to hold the heat in the can so it dont freeze as fast and it actually works... summer time I also use it to keep the heat lower so it can condense in the can.. catch cans are so finicky it isn't even funny!
Yes, there are lots of variables we can’t possibly cover in one video. This is helpful for anybody reading in extremely cold climates. Another modification you could do is the Move Mod. It’s moving out of the Artic Tundra and bring your car and catch can with you. These you can use that beer Koozie to keep your beer cold while sitting at the beach.
Do you have any setups like that for a Stinger GT2? I want to install an oil catch can but I'm worried about pressure building up in the crankcase so for the time being i decided to hold off.
I have regular 25$ can on 2022 Mdx and it does catch oil. So you don’t need turbo or super charged engin. I bought it brand new and it does still catch oil. Some miss information You don’t need expensive can. but also some good info thx
As always true information thank you Brent..you are the real deal.
Very welcome
Thank you for all the knowledge and advice
What? You have air going into the engine through the valve cover? That wild! I have air coming out of the engine Through the valve covers. For Every vehicle i've owned since 1984. Like....30 Ford chevy dodge Shovelhead Evo twin cams. I knew those hellcats were cool but I had no idea how unique they were.
Can you show a diagram of the routing of the hoses please thanks 👍
I like the explanation but when your pointing wish I could see better what your pointing to. But you are talking about upgrading whish is the opposite of the title. But thumbs up for letting me know.
Great informative vid, could u plz make a vid about LT4 superchargered engine that comes in Camaro ZL1 and CT5-V BLACKWING, What should, and shouldnt do regarding catch cans. This would be a huge help.
Thanks alot
Thing is that on an $80k car, supercharged, turbo charged, etc. than they would have a catch can/similar system, if the engineers concluded A. that they are necessary and B. cost-effective. So why is it that these types of cars don't already have such a system in the first place?
Can you address a crank case breather on the clean side? Metco is the one I use.
Very informative,l will be purchasing a 2023 c8 corvette, was thinking about installing one (a catch can) but if it’s going to be of no real benefit don’t want to be throwing money away either, your thoughts? Thanks Eric Brake
How do you feel about the Mighty Mouse ones? They seem to be built really well and has different additions than the billit one.
Might Mouse makes a really good product and the only one we use on every GM build of that tells you anything
Great to hear that because that's the one I ordered after watching this video.
Thanks for the great explanation of how the system works. Just bought a 3.5L Ecoboost F150 last Friday, saw several recommendations to install a catch can (or dual cans). Now I can understand the need more clearly.
If you have Direct Injection (and no additional port injectors) GET AN OIL CATCH CAN!. I put a Cork Sport OCC on my 2019 MAZA CX-5 (2.5 L. turbo.) At 7,000 miles I drained 1/2 cup of nasty brown liquid from my catch can. SO happy that crap didn't go through my engine! ** Even so I'll have my dealer clean the intake valves at 50,000 miles with BG brand cleaner fluid.
Currently saving up for the stage 4 package for my 21 charger hellcat.
I've seen other videos where there was a good amount of water that was caught in the catch can (water being a byproduct of combustion). This seams like a good thing also, but i live in the north with freezing temps. Will the water freeze inside the filter media and prevent PCV breathing altogether?!
I have a friend who installed a catch can (Cheap Catch Can with no filter in it from what I remember) The condensation froze in the plumbing/ Tubing so badly that it completely blocked the breathing of the engine causing oil to seep out of the valve cover, Exhaust system, Intake pretty much where ever the pressure could possibly leave, It was a total mess he removed it and had no problems after.
I do like the idea of catch cans but like you I live where it can get pretty cold and it makes me very skeptical on using catch cans. Have to do more research on it before I can decide.
All I can say is be careful living in colder climates with it, If the car starts to smoke like it's on fire trough the exhaust system and misfiring because it's eating its own oil the catch can could be the issue.
Check the can more often in cold weather and dump it out. You could also add a little antifreeze to the can.
Mount the can close to/slightly behind the engine. In cold weather warm the engine for 4/5 minutes and the catch can will be warm under the hood.
@@tyrel7185 I see what you mean, pretty slick to keep it close to heat.
My concern is on start up though, when you have the extra pressure and when the crank seal tends to burst. No time for the ice to freeze from the engine.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
What about the hose coming off the valve cover going to the intake tube,can you put a breather on the valve cover and block off the port on the intake tube?, ☮️
Idk it seem the same as regular catch can. I don’t want to recycle it. Just add more material inside the can. There is no reason the pressure should change unless you put small hoses.
Let's say your CC is 4-5 yrs old.How would you go about cleaning and maintaining the system?Eventually the check valves and filtering media will need to be cleaned wouldn't it?
I keep learning more and more from these great presentations. Can you tell me if you also do the evans waterless radiator flush, am ordering a redeye the end of march of 22 and its going to be in your area at drop top customs for three weeks and would like to have it shipped over for that and a stage 4 conversion . Thanks.
Just installed one on my 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT, same colour as the one beside you.
-- Great presentation. Question, and probably a cringe one: 2004 Chevy Tahoe 5.3L What's to stop me from sealing the intake manifold, hose for drool down utterly gutting the PVC system? - Rather than using a separator?
I put a catch a can on my Silverado and it works great , about 2 years ago...
15:30... high mileage NA applications GOOD TO KNOW, but I plan to go from 100k to 200k+ and everything helps!
Would say this video is correct... On our boosted application we have a breather catch can rated for high pressure, our NA has a can for regular crank case pressures and I only use them on the "dirty" side as the clean side shows nothing as tested by the many on forums for those applications if I am in error I wouldn't mind a reply...Thanks
Great video. One question
I have. 22 Hellcat challenger 6.2 ltr. Would running a CFM crank case ventilator be useless? I ordered it before I had watched your video. And you seem pretty clear that the 6.2 hemi doesn’t have a positive pressure issue even one of your extreme boost. So please clarify for me should I send this back of the company or would it hurt anything by running it anyway
Now this is always talked about and much needed good information
Thank you 👍👍
No problem 👍
Great video, excellent explanation of what happens and what is needed..
Best catch can explanation on the internet.
So, why should I NOT upgrade my catch-can?
This is extremely important for the turbo Ford motors
Looking forward to seeing your video. Glad you’re doing this segment on catch cans. What are the benefits of this.
Pretty obvious it cleans the air going back into the motor which extends the life of the motor rather than recirculating the crap back into the motor
Dieselman Thanks Sir, appreciate your comment.
Hi, I was wondering if you could make a video where you say eerm more times, thanks.
I just shouted out your shop, Kevin Van Voris needs your magic, shops keep blowing up his hellcats engine. Hopefully he reaches out to you! Awesome vid and info!
Thanks buddy
I have a 2018 Chevrolet impala premier 3.6l v6 vvt engine. My question is would a catch can be adequate for this engine.? Engine has 75,000 miles on it had a intake cleaning about a year and a half ago. My vehicle is well maintained change my oil full synthetic every 4,000 miles
How about a measured fine mist of Kerosene being admitted into the intake manifold?
Great Info as Always Bro🤜🤛 Almost Bought a Catch Can from Billet Tech.. 😏 Saved me some $😁.. trying to get my $$ together to get my Trackhawk Sent to you Guys Thanks Guys for another Great Video!👍Saving for that Stage 4 kit🤙✌🤜🤛💯☝️😎..
Hold up, Why would clean need air be introduced INTO the crank case? As you stated at the start, is this a hellcat engine thing? also HOW are you getting 1 side of the engine to PULL air in, while the other is pushing air out.
Generally your right, The engine is mostly under positive pressure pushing those blow by gasses out. and they need to go somewhere, so its sent out too the intake or the turbo or SC or watever, there would be vacuum situation also, under idle most probably. this is normally controlled by having one way check valves on the hoses that connect the crank cases to the intakes. (aka PCV valve)
im jus confused as to why and how the clean intake air (which isnt under any more pressure than atmosphere, since its source is before any kind of compression, if anything its vacuum, as its trying to be sucked INTO the intake), would be pulled into one side of the engine, and sent down to the crank, and out through to the other side. is there some wild check valve only allowing pressure crankcase pressure to escape to the left side of the engine?
Good edit on the title
Lol.. My catch can from Vibrant performance just came in today .Great timing for the info. 👍It’s big ,now I have to find somewhere it can fit.🤔
Im in love with my is250 direct injection. so i may just do this for engine effeciency purposes ? I would feel good knowing those gases arent returning to important areas of the engine.
How would you enhance/transform a Super Stock Hellcat Redeye Challenger into a "Track" capable car?
Such informative explanation for engine ventilation, my question is about air pump that attached with main pulley and connected by hoses with rocker covers??
Is it same concept that explained??
No, completely different and was strictly for emission purposes when engines couldn’t meet EPA guideline when they we’re efficient enough.
I have a 2010 BMW X5M S63 4.4 engine twin turbo with Oil Separators in each valve cover. The oil separator on the passenger side is faulty. BMW quoted $2K to replace. Can I put an oil catch can inline, between the outside of the valve cover and the air intake? I get a plume of smoke only after idling for about 5 minutes, otherwise, no smoke.
explained everything i needed to know, & then some. Thanks man...
I know this is 2years ago but what about the new demon would it be the same thing as the hellcat?
Can you help explain how I could hook one up to my trailblazer. I think mines a little different … should I just install it on the valve cover and then to the reservoir that connects to it? I had a good amount of oil in the reservoir and my TB gets dirty quick
I was looking to add a J&L catch can to my Hyundai Palisade with the 3.8L GDI engine. It doesn't have the port injectors. Are those decent cans?
Looking to maybe put one on my TRX, i live in Wisconsin. Ive heard in really cold winter months the catch can can build up condensation, fill with water and build up pressure. Thoughts on what to do?
Be nice if you could elaborate on what you do for the LS and LT engines.
Noted
If a catch can is so beneficial, how come they don't come standard from the factory?
Another maintenance item many would neglect.
So is he saying that a normal chevy truck would be hurt by this system?
What's the best of best catch can for hellcat?
Great explanation on options for catch can...keep up the good work!
How about a valve cover breather only for the hellcat? We used to run just those on the grand nationals back in the day.
It'd probably work but you may get an oil film on everything in the engine.
Outstanding vid Brent ! My cat will be coming to your shop !!
2015 chevy equinox with a turbo 2.4 liter 4cyl. Should I get a catch can?
Hi,did you say that you need one or not need one on a 6.2 GMC
Thanks great job explaining it all!
I see a lot of hemi guys use catch cans. I bought a new challenger RT with 5.7 hemi back in 2011 and never added a catch can to it. It drove
Perfectly fine. I sold that car a few months ago which had about 75k miles on it. Then bought 2020 Hellcat Redeye Widebody. Everyone is telling me I need a catch can on it. If it needed it, why wouldn’t it come on this $90k car in the first place? Also for the guys that are catching oil in their cans, what brand motor oil are you using? I know my car performed kinda sluggish before my first oil change. Everyone said use the pennzoil platinum synthetic that dodge recommends. But I decided to order some cases of the Amsoil signature series oil and their filter. Car runs much better now and will be the only oil I will run in my car. Does anyone run Amsoil oil and what is in your catch can after a few thousand miles or at oil change time?
Catch cans don’t come from the factory because not every one is a gear head who likes the car. Only those who install it will be responsible for checking it periodically. Ask any real mechanic. You didnt install one on your old car but guess what you would of had a cleaner and higher performing engine if you did install one. I can tell you right now if you put it on the dyno your car would underperform regardless of “how good your exhaust note sounds”