I am a windows programmer for 25+ years and programmed on the ps2,xbox and gamecube years ago. All cheats can be detected server side because the network packets can be replayed and line of sight can be measured. The devs dont ban because they want to collect data, then ban in waves. The server has to predict the movements to overcome network latency, so it has all the positions, crosshair placements and line of sight. The server should be able to find crosshair positioning which is too acurate or aiming through walls easily. It might be too taxing to run the analysis in real time, but the data is there.
They don't ban because they want the cheaters money... for profit companies have no moral obligation to maintain integrity. Their main objective is serve their share holders. If large portions of your customers are cheating then it serves no purpose to do anything about cheating. You just ban some or produce fake ban wave reports to make the legit players think something is being done about cheating so they can keep the legit players playing and spending money. Go play quick match and it will go something like this... Lost to cheaters next game easy game against bots. Then another losing game against cheaters... Then a another easy win against bots. They are using bots to keep legit players playing after they get stomped by cheaters. I've reported so many people cheating and not one person has been banned. Subtle cheaters DO NOT GET BANNED. Subtle cheaters are 99% of cheaters in games. Nobody really cheats like this Punisher player in this video.
@Montross valve does not publicly discuss how vac works. Not sure why CS2 has cheaters. They do ban in waves, so maybe it's the effect of the wave that gives the impression there are lots of cheaters.
@@Montross You have two answers either they can't or they can but they are not doing anything about it.. If they can detect it they know how many people are cheating and I bet the number is really high like above 50% and no company wants to lose 50% of their revenue..
@@JoeBlue99 RoCo had also a huge cheating problem, the devs also choose to not ban them, so the fair-players left letting the cheaters to boil in their own juice. Same as Dirty Bomb who died even more quickly but it had even more problems besides massive cheating. So letting the cheaters be in fear of not losing a great chunk of your player base, is similar to let the cancer be in its early stage out of fear of an invasive procedure and let it methastisying all over the body.
Cheaters should not be banned, they should just be paired up with other cheaters, topping off the teams with godlike immortal bots that never pick healers. AI on the server side should be able to spot the patterns and rely on reports to narrow down on which ones to investigate.
What happens when you have false negatives and have real players in these lobbies? That then makes for a horrific experience for a talented player. They should just be hardware banned.
I had one cheater like that in lobby too. We all reported him. The next day I received ingame e-mail thanking me for reporting this player and informing me his accound is banned for 100 years. :) :)
@@tonyforma Exactly, just report them. If it is a confirmed cheated then he gets banned by next day. You might lose a game to them, but they lose the account.
Cheaters were the reason my favorite extraction shooter, The Cycle: Frontier, was shut down. Really a shame people can't just play the game as they should. I know they are bad at the game, but it feels so much better when you start getting good legitimately.
I just wanna comment before anyone else does dma cheats are almost undetectable by current anti cheat methods you also gotta spend around 500-1k to have a proper set up consoles have less of these issues mostly because you can’t really do overlay of anything even strike packs without a 100 percent. guarantee of a instant ban Fortnite has this issue the best way to combat cheaters is by making players grind teirs in order to play for cash this eliminates being able to just spam new accounts and join up next week and banning players who play with hackers Fortnite/epic are AVIDLY SUING ALL CHEATERS AND HACKERS
@@BluemansonicYeah but at least it’s a lot less. If there were just as many cheaters on console as PC the AAA gaming industry would be either dead or much better at creating anti-cheat.
You can buy DMA cheat cards for like 100$. The reason cheating is so bad is because these cards got super cheap. You don't need a 2nd computer the cheats are run off a card that is basically a tiny computer that pulls the player info from DMA then does the aim bot and sends the inputs back to the mouse.
His accuracy was 30% because he would shoot the walls/columns before or after shooting an enemy. Thanks for putting attention on this issue, I like Rivals and I want them to approach this like Valorant and really take care of it.
@@PoeticInsanity it is for Valorant, Apex, PUBG, Rainbow 6, all of which have far less cheaters than the big games that aren't using Kernel. I would also be all for disabling all PC/console cross play, put the PC controller players in with the Keyboard players.
@WVTarheel Kernal anti cheat is the software equivalent to having a cop stationed in everyones living room at all times to make sure they behave. It doesnt matter whether im breaking any laws or not, i dont want a cop in my living room at all times. We cant keep allowing these companies to get more and more invasive when there are plenty of non-invasive solutions whether they are imperfect or not that serve as better alternatives. It sets a standard for what you allow companies to do to your personal machine. Is safety from hackers in a video game more important than the sanctity of your personal machine's privacy? Mfs like you are reason 1984 is unraveling under everyones noses and then you'll cry about where all your freedoms went when they're gone. Game companies are already taking away games that people PAID for and trying to destroy the idea of digital ownership in the first place and you want these same people in control of a program imbedded into the deepest crevices of your computer? What happens when google decides thats the solution to combat adblock and then you cant use the browser without google watching everything on a deeper level than they already are and controlling EVERYTHING you see and making other browsers not work right on your computer? You think they wouldnt?
ive not run into cheaters too often but when i do they ALWAYS are talking smack and either wearing the cheater patch loud and proud or claiming "nah man totally legit" when i look at a replay where a hela has her entire team looking forward, our iron man pops behind them and they all UNANIMOUSLY AT THE SAME TIME DART THEIR HEAD BACKWARDS AND DELETE HIM. it was a 6 premade man of cheaters with hitscan characters. they all went about 40/2, their only deaths because my friend and i were playing magneto/strange so some deaths from pressure were unavoidable.
Aimbots don't only work for hitscan, this is absolutely a false statement and I'm not really sure where you got this idea. I've literally played against cheaters aimbotting with Arc Star grenades in Apex which are about the furthest thing from hitscan. You can cheat with Mantis and any other projectile weapon/characters in games.
@backslicer2543 those don’t work on ps5 btw but fs bro lmao, we all know they exist especially Sony. My Cronus and xim and besavior were all patched out to work on ps5 games. They have come up with workarounds before but they’ve all gotten patched. Not surprised you don’t know this because you probably don’t have one hopefully, I only used mine to use a ps4 controller on ps5 games and not for cheats. Xbox on the other hand doesn’t even need a xim to install cheats, they’re like the android of consoles.
@lockdown7498 so I just did some more research and it indeed still doesn’t work on ps5 thankfully but people on xbox are still fully capable of using xim and Cronus and straight up installing cheats, so that guy is only half right but the console only option definitely doesn’t save you fully, but it’s definitely better than doing cross play because it’s even easier to mod on pc
@JohnHelldiver143 I figured it would work on Xbox honestly they aren’t as strict as Sony, I mean you can use their older controllers on newer games that alone says enough. I’m glad it for sure doesn’t work on ps5 I’m gonna try it again tonight though it’s been months since the last time they fixed it but I’m sure they’re still on top of it. And you’re totally right I’m definitely still glad I have a cross play off option still and I’m still gonna play it because less odds of cheaters than pc lobbies
@@SlimFreedom21 Its to keep you playing the game & not rage quitting. Me & my GF tested it last nite, lose 2 games in a row & you get a bot lobby. After the match I checked & everyone on enemy team has blocked profiles & the team had 2 tanks 2 dps 2 support. This happens every time you lose 2 games, enemy team all blocked profiles. It will also put bots on your team.
@@SlimFreedom21 You can tell because you destroy the bot team 1st round, then 2nd round they are unstoppable, 3rd round its a close game you you feel good after winning. The game wants to keep you at 50% win rate minimum.
What I usually do when someone is smacking hard in any match is to check stats and rank IF they don't match and the person has great aim with really bad positioning I already flag as a cheater, specially if it is a closed account, which BTW makes zero sense in Marvel Rivals, since there is no personal information on the account and people can't see your rank when playing casual play unless they are in historic of match. If they are watching there is a delay as well and making the account closed doesn't change anything for people to reach you with messages, etc. Thus, anyone with closed accounts in this game are already suspicious.
I play with my account private because as a super casual player i dont know why someone would need to know my stats, i just assumed thats for people who care about bragging rights so i never thought about it being suspicious tbh lol
yee just got off a game with a team of hackers it was too funny we pushed em pretty hard and they went nuts on the hacks. rivals is sadly toast like the rest of the online games at least most of the shooters eh.
be aware that replays are glitchy so if you are iffy on someone, fair chance that it isn't a cheat if you are basing it on replay. Snapping targets in replay isn't a give away, seeing someone behind a wall that someone prefires are not a dead give away. some abilities allow punisher to see people through walls fore a few seconds IF they poked their head out already. There are obvious someone who is like that and 90% head shots or something. I mostly play AI simply because of time and i just want to get my missions done so i get stuff for when i can put more time. even there I see about 1 in 10ish games where i suspect someone is testing their cheats. since it is just ai don't care so much. DMAs are generally undetectable.
This was bound to happen, literally doesn’t matter what game you’re in. Luckily, it’s not a huge deal in rivals because there are plenty of characters that don’t require aiming at all
How to fix? 1000% remove all anti-cheating rootkit software. Have AI start reviewing all recordings and look for snapping movements. Pass those clip onto a real person who can choose to ban. Improve AI system over time.
3:34 I've been accused of hacking because of this, not saying they aren't hacking, but sometimes you can't see them but you can see their giant health bar above their head
Tracking through walls is another matter entirely though, and I've seen plenty of that. I've also seen clear aim botting, with players immediately switching targets with unerring accuracy. It's become far too common a sight, even in quick play.
About the whole accuracy argument, you can test this yourself but ALL shots count for accuracy, all an aimbotter has to do to drop their stat in game is fire at walls on their way to each fight or fire off into space while there isn't anyone nearby, its really not hard to tank your accuracy stat in game.
Maybe its time to bring legislative dealings into this. Go at the root of the issue, the people supplying the market for this hardware/software. It is causing direct financial damage to these companies
Even if you consider 1% of the player base or lower using hacks that pretty much makes it so almost every match there is a high chance to have at least one person using a hack to some degree. Either only a percentage of aimbot, some type of aim assist which is not completely an aimbot, but still hacking for PC, wallhacks and so on. I played DBD, for instance, for quite a long time and I knew from experience of friends of mine that most players used some form of hack in the game, either by gaining absurd amount of items (which changed the game dynamics way in their favor), by slight increase of speed to characters, etc. Things that can be noticed by very experienced players to some degree when facing those players, but still very hard to notice and almost never caught by anti-cheat softwares. In my humble opinion every competitive game that consider themselves competitive and give a damn about their players SHOULD use something like Valorant to get cheaters and also BAN by MACHINE ID such as they do. Meaning, if the person is banned he can't simply create another account and continue playing in that same computer, or at least it will be harder to do so.
1:29 Its actually pretty basic math... Its pretty much just Pythagorean theorem. All you need is the projectile speed, the distance, the enemy move speed and direction.
It’s slightly more complicated than that, due to needing to know the angles as well due to players not moving perpendicular to you most of the time. It’s still not that crazy and something you learn in High School, but the issue is you need the calculations FAST, like almost instantaneous. An Aimbot is useless if it’s even a second slow. That’s why it was thought to be impossible for awhile.
The kill count compared to everyone else in both teams is outrageous. ALmost both teams couldn't make it past the double digits because he was nuking almost everyone. I've seen numbers like that before and I was thinking, wow did everyone just suck compared to that guy but now I'm Sus.
Quickplay rarely have this issue but once you leave platinum you will see 8/10 blatant cheater. Some closet cheater with the 3 hit always hit shot to bump the number up for their aimbot accuracy but you can tell the lockon and snapping aimbot. I've seen better black panther which camera not looking at your direction but hit all skill 100% and what worst rare but there is a invul exploit or hack apparently you will see a tank not dying after 3 DPS locking on without any heal.
Played against a punisher bot the other day. The player was so bad but his aim was absolutley perfect if any pixels of my model were on screen he could hit it perfectly. Luckily we had a groot and neymore and the walls and turrets distracted the aim bot and i was able to assassinate him enough to still win. On replay would see him insta snapping to targets and to turrets was insane to watch
In some games i had 0% precision, at the end of the game. I was like, wtf. I know my aim is bad, but not that much. Especially because it also shows the damage I've done.
accuracy is all shots not just shots fired towards enemies, if you fire while you're moving to fights you can tank the stat super easily, I do it all the time just because I like the funny gun noise XD
at 403 you said cant see him but you clearly see his outline .so a lot players say cheats when they don't know the game settings 1 them lets you see an enemy seen by others or if the arrack and try to hide to soon takes 20 sec or so not shooting to get outline off you and this is in the game not cheats .also there is aim asst in the setting you can adjust to stupid amounts ...all in game legitly ...now don't get me wrong I know there are cheats but with all the added game settings and extras in the game hard weed them out without doing deeper dive on game server of that client-side see .
any game / company who can not solve their cheaters problem even they have a useless "anti cheat" program , should have their games shutdown permanently
24 kills more than his next team mate and snapping to targets. They're cheating. Usually if one players dominating that much it helps the next person but he's killing target so quick no one else is even getting a shot in
dma has been around alot longer than 3 years fyi lol.i mean, cod is notoriously flooded with hackers/ cheaters. thats why i stopped playing cod completely. i'm done with that shitty game also, reasons im on this topic is bcuz we just came across our first hacker today as widow... she was beaming everyone at about 80% accuracy man. it ruined the fun so we just played for time really
I would even prefer if you could only play with only the game open on your computer or something like that, we need some better anti-cheat because those sad people only ruin the game. it's ridiculous, I find them really sad, what a waste of a life they have.
Hah yeah, just didn't want to get hit with slander by youtube or something. YT is really weird these days. I had 99.99% sure text with that statement, but it didn't line up with the video after another clip was added in last minute.
@aliencreative9360 no, exclusively console lobbies. I'm running into about one every day I don't play too much. It's usually punishers from what I've run into and they're awful. Even with aimlock they can't consistently hit you so they hop in turret and get pocketed. The turret melts anything that stops moving for a split second or if you get hit with cc. I ran into one last night with an Adam warlock pocketing him and also cheating.
@@aeit999 what are you on about? Brother I'll post the replay code when I hop back on it's still in my history and it was a console only quick match. Thank Christ I haven't run into one in competitive yet Replay ID: 10112513352
Objection! Intentional poor wording; intentional misleading of the reader: this video premise is about direct memory cheats on PC & doesn't mention console cheats at all.
The punisher might have this aim hack where you can scale a circle on the screen around the crosshair where the bullets go to the head if the head is in that circle. Saw this from some hackers video in Deadlock the bullets just curved to the head or something. Id imagine some people are delusional enough to feel good about shitting on people while having a small circle of aim assist. Haven't been able to enjoy deadlock since seeing that ngl luckily in marvel rivals i didn't encounter to much obvious hackers on my way to diamond. Only one guy in qp playing hawkeye that had cheats like I've seen in deadlock it looks like bad tickrate because your already behind the wall when he headshots but its just an arrow that curves. I reported him and 1 day later i got a message that he is banned till 2124. 😂 Perhaps if you cheat a little you can still get shit on by characters that don't need good aim and have game knowledge.
Major problem is MnK are the optimal controller and you know how people act when you bring that to console (even without aim assist which is what ximming does)
Umm no? You dont seem to be aware that console is an even worse cesspool for cheaters than PC. Strikepack/Cronus/XIM use is rampant in all competitive games at all levels of play and are mostly undetectable. If you honestly think console is free of cheating you're incredibly ignorant.
@Reverie Gaming its not true that marvel rivals ant-cheat is bad! thats a complete lie...there system is far better than most AAA games. it took 4 games for cheater to get banned in ranked and refunded my lost points by the way.
people wants to win so badly on a virtual game that they buy expensive hardware that can eneable cheats for the fake sensation of being a pro , my god .
DMA cheats arnt just expensive to get the firmware that runs on a DMA device is basicly impossibel . DMA cheats arnt realy commen becouse we talk about a thousend just for hard were and nother thousend for the firmeware if you can get your hands on any in the first place pluse most likely a monthly fee on top its so expensive basicly no body does it most cheats are software based
You know, that best to way to play the game without hackers is just PS5 with cross play OFF. You won't see a single hacker in a week, maybe even for a month.
Its easy to know when you're up againdt cheaters. Their entire team will sprint into the open with no strategy just aim botting people. Rather than ban people, they should use the invisible ban hammer. We would do it on other games where you would just hit nothing even if you are up close. Yes devs can detect cheaters and it is relative easy.
It sucks because they're 100% doing it for the money. What fun is there in watching a stupid bot-aim lock everything? People can't tell by watching their streams?
It's so infuriating. I hate cheaters. Like how is it rewarding to play? Are you that sad, that you only play it's because you win and nothing else. Some games you aren't good at. Admit it about yourself. Move on.
8:35 dudes accuracy is 30% and dude proceeds to shoot at outlines of enemies behind walls so he drops his accuracy cuz he doesn’t want people to see 80% accuracy using punisher
Upper 90th percentile of the haxxor claims are just cope from trash players. The player models move as slow as Christmas in that game so how can you miss? when you have people who came from games like quake who are used to shooting at targets zipping across the screen at light speed… come over to rivals and it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
It's wild that you didn't know you could use aimbot on projectiles with all the hacking Hawkeyes Also there's a rapid fire Punisher cheat I hadn't seen before until I ran into it in a quickplay. Replay ID:5083864408 they start out normal although they're terrible but then the start turning the hacks on.
I am a windows programmer for 25+ years and programmed on the ps2,xbox and gamecube years ago. All cheats can be detected server side because the network packets can be replayed and line of sight can be measured. The devs dont ban because they want to collect data, then ban in waves. The server has to predict the movements to overcome network latency, so it has all the positions, crosshair placements and line of sight. The server should be able to find crosshair positioning which is too acurate or aiming through walls easily. It might be too taxing to run the analysis in real time, but the data is there.
They don't ban because they want the cheaters money... for profit companies have no moral obligation to maintain integrity. Their main objective is serve their share holders. If large portions of your customers are cheating then it serves no purpose to do anything about cheating. You just ban some or produce fake ban wave reports to make the legit players think something is being done about cheating so they can keep the legit players playing and spending money. Go play quick match and it will go something like this... Lost to cheaters next game easy game against bots. Then another losing game against cheaters... Then a another easy win against bots. They are using bots to keep legit players playing after they get stomped by cheaters. I've reported so many people cheating and not one person has been banned. Subtle cheaters DO NOT GET BANNED. Subtle cheaters are 99% of cheaters in games. Nobody really cheats like this Punisher player in this video.
so why hasn't valve found a solution for the cs:go2 cheaters? If you say everything can be detected server side...
@Montross valve does not publicly discuss how vac works. Not sure why CS2 has cheaters. They do ban in waves, so maybe it's the effect of the wave that gives the impression there are lots of cheaters.
@@Montross You have two answers either they can't or they can but they are not doing anything about it.. If they can detect it they know how many people are cheating and I bet the number is really high like above 50% and no company wants to lose 50% of their revenue..
@@JoeBlue99 RoCo had also a huge cheating problem, the devs also choose to not ban them, so the fair-players left letting the cheaters to boil in their own juice. Same as Dirty Bomb who died even more quickly but it had even more problems besides massive cheating. So letting the cheaters be in fear of not losing a great chunk of your player base, is similar to let the cancer be in its early stage out of fear of an invasive procedure and let it methastisying all over the body.
Cheaters should not be banned, they should just be paired up with other cheaters, topping off the teams with godlike immortal bots that never pick healers.
AI on the server side should be able to spot the patterns and rely on reports to narrow down on which ones to investigate.
it would be funny seeing aimbot vs aimbot
What happens when you have false negatives and have real players in these lobbies? That then makes for a horrific experience for a talented player. They should just be hardware banned.
@@trev119 what happens when the hardware ban is a false positive?
I think another game did that
I played against one yesterday he was using Ironman. Tracked us thru the wall and was snapping onto targets. Watched the replay to confirm it.
I had one cheater like that in lobby too. We all reported him. The next day I received ingame e-mail thanking me for reporting this player and informing me his accound is banned for 100 years. :) :)
@@tonyforma Exactly, just report them. If it is a confirmed cheated then he gets banned by next day. You might lose a game to them, but they lose the account.
Cheaters were the reason my favorite extraction shooter, The Cycle: Frontier, was shut down. Really a shame people can't just play the game as they should. I know they are bad at the game, but it feels so much better when you start getting good legitimately.
I just wanna comment before anyone else does dma cheats are almost undetectable by current anti cheat methods you also gotta spend around 500-1k to have a proper set up consoles have less of these issues mostly because you can’t really do overlay of anything even strike packs without a 100 percent. guarantee of a instant ban Fortnite has this issue the best way to combat cheaters is by making players grind teirs in order to play for cash this eliminates being able to just spam new accounts and join up next week and banning players who play with hackers Fortnite/epic are AVIDLY SUING ALL CHEATERS AND HACKERS
They are also on consoles too
@@BluemansonicYeah but at least it’s a lot less. If there were just as many cheaters on console as PC the AAA gaming industry would be either dead or much better at creating anti-cheat.
@@BluemansonicUnfortunately the money they’re losing isn’t enough to care about investing in new innovative anti-cheat.
You can buy DMA cheat cards for like 100$. The reason cheating is so bad is because these cards got super cheap. You don't need a 2nd computer the cheats are run off a card that is basically a tiny computer that pulls the player info from DMA then does the aim bot and sends the inputs back to the mouse.
@@JoeBlue99 that's terrifying
His accuracy was 30% because he would shoot the walls/columns before or after shooting an enemy. Thanks for putting attention on this issue, I like Rivals and I want them to approach this like Valorant and really take care of it.
Fuck no, kernal anti cheat is NOT the answer
@@PoeticInsanity it is for Valorant, Apex, PUBG, Rainbow 6, all of which have far less cheaters than the big games that aren't using Kernel. I would also be all for disabling all PC/console cross play, put the PC controller players in with the Keyboard players.
@WVTarheel Kernal anti cheat is the software equivalent to having a cop stationed in everyones living room at all times to make sure they behave. It doesnt matter whether im breaking any laws or not, i dont want a cop in my living room at all times. We cant keep allowing these companies to get more and more invasive when there are plenty of non-invasive solutions whether they are imperfect or not that serve as better alternatives. It sets a standard for what you allow companies to do to your personal machine. Is safety from hackers in a video game more important than the sanctity of your personal machine's privacy? Mfs like you are reason 1984 is unraveling under everyones noses and then you'll cry about where all your freedoms went when they're gone. Game companies are already taking away games that people PAID for and trying to destroy the idea of digital ownership in the first place and you want these same people in control of a program imbedded into the deepest crevices of your computer? What happens when google decides thats the solution to combat adblock and then you cant use the browser without google watching everything on a deeper level than they already are and controlling EVERYTHING you see and making other browsers not work right on your computer? You think they wouldnt?
@@WVTarheel thats cute
this is basically why I don't play shooters at all anymore.
ive not run into cheaters too often but when i do they ALWAYS are talking smack and either wearing the cheater patch loud and proud or claiming "nah man totally legit" when i look at a replay where a hela has her entire team looking forward, our iron man pops behind them and they all UNANIMOUSLY AT THE SAME TIME DART THEIR HEAD BACKWARDS AND DELETE HIM. it was a 6 premade man of cheaters with hitscan characters. they all went about 40/2, their only deaths because my friend and i were playing magneto/strange so some deaths from pressure were unavoidable.
Aimbots don't only work for hitscan, this is absolutely a false statement and I'm not really sure where you got this idea. I've literally played against cheaters aimbotting with Arc Star grenades in Apex which are about the furthest thing from hitscan. You can cheat with Mantis and any other projectile weapon/characters in games.
Not only they're hacking, but they also even talk trash. They are pitiful.
Lol wait till you see gta online.
watching a cheater in play makes me realize i've been aiming wrong in marvel rivals due to third person perspective
Me on ps5 with my console only option 😌 I’ll never play cross play on any competitive game for this exact reason
Xim users saying hello and thanking you for thinking they dont exist
@ lol I have one of those buddy and ps5 patched it to where you can only use it on ps4 games not ps5 games. Not sure about xbox though
@backslicer2543 those don’t work on ps5 btw but fs bro lmao, we all know they exist especially Sony. My Cronus and xim and besavior were all patched out to work on ps5 games. They have come up with workarounds before but they’ve all gotten patched. Not surprised you don’t know this because you probably don’t have one hopefully, I only used mine to use a ps4 controller on ps5 games and not for cheats. Xbox on the other hand doesn’t even need a xim to install cheats, they’re like the android of consoles.
@lockdown7498 so I just did some more research and it indeed still doesn’t work on ps5 thankfully but people on xbox are still fully capable of using xim and Cronus and straight up installing cheats, so that guy is only half right but the console only option definitely doesn’t save you fully, but it’s definitely better than doing cross play because it’s even easier to mod on pc
@JohnHelldiver143 I figured it would work on Xbox honestly they aren’t as strict as Sony, I mean you can use their older controllers on newer games that alone says enough. I’m glad it for sure doesn’t work on ps5 I’m gonna try it again tonight though it’s been months since the last time they fixed it but I’m sure they’re still on top of it. And you’re totally right I’m definitely still glad I have a cross play off option still and I’m still gonna play it because less odds of cheaters than pc lobbies
Thought I came across a cheater last nite but i also discovered that they put you up against bots in quick play.
There's so many people playing the game. Why put bots in the game?
@@SlimFreedom21 Its to keep you playing the game & not rage quitting. Me & my GF tested it last nite, lose 2 games in a row & you get a bot lobby. After the match I checked & everyone on enemy team has blocked profiles & the team had 2 tanks 2 dps 2 support. This happens every time you lose 2 games, enemy team all blocked profiles. It will also put bots on your team.
@@SlimFreedom21 You can tell because you destroy the bot team 1st round, then 2nd round they are unstoppable, 3rd round its a close game you you feel good after winning. The game wants to keep you at 50% win rate minimum.
Yep just played a game like this, all 6 has closed profiles and rank 5.
Only if you lose alot
most people I reported were banned
What I usually do when someone is smacking hard in any match is to check stats and rank IF they don't match and the person has great aim with really bad positioning I already flag as a cheater, specially if it is a closed account, which BTW makes zero sense in Marvel Rivals, since there is no personal information on the account and people can't see your rank when playing casual play unless they are in historic of match. If they are watching there is a delay as well and making the account closed doesn't change anything for people to reach you with messages, etc. Thus, anyone with closed accounts in this game are already suspicious.
I play with my account private because as a super casual player i dont know why someone would need to know my stats, i just assumed thats for people who care about bragging rights so i never thought about it being suspicious tbh lol
yee just got off a game with a team of hackers it was too funny we pushed em pretty hard and they went nuts on the hacks. rivals is sadly toast like the rest of the online games at least most of the shooters eh.
Yeah it's like they give one game to fool the system then crank cheats up to 11 to win.
be aware that replays are glitchy so if you are iffy on someone, fair chance that it isn't a cheat if you are basing it on replay. Snapping targets in replay isn't a give away, seeing someone behind a wall that someone prefires are not a dead give away. some abilities allow punisher to see people through walls fore a few seconds IF they poked their head out already. There are obvious someone who is like that and 90% head shots or something. I mostly play AI simply because of time and i just want to get my missions done so i get stuff for when i can put more time. even there I see about 1 in 10ish games where i suspect someone is testing their cheats. since it is just ai don't care so much.
DMAs are generally undetectable.
This ish pisses me off so bad when it happens in the game. Why can't people just play without cheating
Low ego, low skill, inability to learn.
This is a global issue. Not rivals only nor any kernel childlish solution like valorant etc.
Real hacks cannot be stopped with any method.
This was bound to happen, literally doesn’t matter what game you’re in. Luckily, it’s not a huge deal in rivals because there are plenty of characters that don’t require aiming at all
How to fix? 1000% remove all anti-cheating rootkit software. Have AI start reviewing all recordings and look for snapping movements. Pass those clip onto a real person who can choose to ban. Improve AI system over time.
What a great idea
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3:34 I've been accused of hacking because of this, not saying they aren't hacking, but sometimes you can't see them but you can see their giant health bar above their head
or its just game sense to check the corners
Tracking through walls is another matter entirely though, and I've seen plenty of that. I've also seen clear aim botting, with players immediately switching targets with unerring accuracy. It's become far too common a sight, even in quick play.
About the whole accuracy argument, you can test this yourself but ALL shots count for accuracy, all an aimbotter has to do to drop their stat in game is fire at walls on their way to each fight or fire off into space while there isn't anyone nearby, its really not hard to tank your accuracy stat in game.
Maybe its time to bring legislative dealings into this. Go at the root of the issue, the people supplying the market for this hardware/software. It is causing direct financial damage to these companies
I didn't have chess tournament butt plug on my bingo card for overwatch youtube today
Even if you consider 1% of the player base or lower using hacks that pretty much makes it so almost every match there is a high chance to have at least one person using a hack to some degree. Either only a percentage of aimbot, some type of aim assist which is not completely an aimbot, but still hacking for PC, wallhacks and so on. I played DBD, for instance, for quite a long time and I knew from experience of friends of mine that most players used some form of hack in the game, either by gaining absurd amount of items (which changed the game dynamics way in their favor), by slight increase of speed to characters, etc. Things that can be noticed by very experienced players to some degree when facing those players, but still very hard to notice and almost never caught by anti-cheat softwares.
In my humble opinion every competitive game that consider themselves competitive and give a damn about their players SHOULD use something like Valorant to get cheaters and also BAN by MACHINE ID such as they do. Meaning, if the person is banned he can't simply create another account and continue playing in that same computer, or at least it will be harder to do so.
thanks for having console only crossplay in this game
1:29 Its actually pretty basic math... Its pretty much just Pythagorean theorem.
All you need is the projectile speed, the distance, the enemy move speed and direction.
It’s slightly more complicated than that, due to needing to know the angles as well due to players not moving perpendicular to you most of the time. It’s still not that crazy and something you learn in High School, but the issue is you need the calculations FAST, like almost instantaneous. An Aimbot is useless if it’s even a second slow. That’s why it was thought to be impossible for awhile.
@@1.21jiggawatts2 Its a few basic operations. For a modem computer its done in nano seconds.
The kill count compared to everyone else in both teams is outrageous. ALmost both teams couldn't make it past the double digits because he was nuking almost everyone. I've seen numbers like that before and I was thinking, wow did everyone just suck compared to that guy but now I'm Sus.
That's why match making is restricted to console only on consoles no cross play
Quickplay rarely have this issue but once you leave platinum you will see 8/10 blatant cheater. Some closet cheater with the 3 hit always hit shot to bump the number up for their aimbot accuracy but you can tell the lockon and snapping aimbot. I've seen better black panther which camera not looking at your direction but hit all skill 100% and what worst rare but there is a invul exploit or hack apparently you will see a tank not dying after 3 DPS locking on without any heal.
They could just do hardware ban or ip ban or both
Played against a punisher bot the other day. The player was so bad but his aim was absolutley perfect if any pixels of my model were on screen he could hit it perfectly. Luckily we had a groot and neymore and the walls and turrets distracted the aim bot and i was able to assassinate him enough to still win. On replay would see him insta snapping to targets and to turrets was insane to watch
In some games i had 0% precision, at the end of the game.
I was like, wtf.
I know my aim is bad, but not that much. Especially because it also shows the damage I've done.
accuracy is all shots not just shots fired towards enemies, if you fire while you're moving to fights you can tank the stat super easily, I do it all the time just because I like the funny gun noise XD
at 403 you said cant see him but you clearly see his outline .so a lot players say cheats when they don't know the game settings 1 them lets you see an enemy seen by others or if the arrack and try to hide to soon takes 20 sec or so not shooting to get outline off you and this is in the game not cheats .also there is aim asst in the setting you can adjust to stupid amounts ...all in game legitly ...now don't get me wrong I know there are cheats but with all the added game settings and extras in the game hard weed them out without doing deeper dive on game server of that client-side see .
i would like to say that ive seen aimbots that are projectile based. i have friends that use them on mantis
any game / company who can not solve their cheaters problem even they have a useless "anti cheat" program , should have their games shutdown permanently
24 kills more than his next team mate and snapping to targets. They're cheating. Usually if one players dominating that much it helps the next person but he's killing target so quick no one else is even getting a shot in
Even hacking... I doubt hackers actually win against eternity unless they literally can dodge bullets can never die....
8:03 my game experience has been soured by cheaters for years
they should hardware ban those hackers
dma has been around alot longer than 3 years fyi lol.i mean, cod is notoriously flooded with hackers/ cheaters. thats why i stopped playing cod completely. i'm done with that shitty game
also, reasons im on this topic is bcuz we just came across our first hacker today as widow... she was beaming everyone at about 80% accuracy man. it ruined the fun so we just played for time really
Why do they even play online games?.
top 50 player aim bot does not only work for hitscan you can cheat on hanzo zen and ana in ow
I would even prefer if you could only play with only the game open on your computer or something like that, we need some better anti-cheat because those sad people only ruin the game. it's ridiculous, I find them really sad, what a waste of a life they have.
Aim bot works for projectile it's called predicted aim
Just fought against a punisher who used hacks, disgusting 😂
you didnt actually just say "idk if this punisher is cheating" lol my brother in christ
Hah yeah, just didn't want to get hit with slander by youtube or something. YT is really weird these days. I had 99.99% sure text with that statement, but it didn't line up with the video after another clip was added in last minute.
Hacking is in every game jow and impossible to stop even if they get banned they will just buy another account with hacks again.
Yeah the cheating problem is frustrating. I never thought I'd find so many cheaters in console lobbies.
They’re cheating on console now too? Or do you mean pc players get put in your console lobbies?
@aliencreative9360 no, exclusively console lobbies. I'm running into about one every day I don't play too much. It's usually punishers from what I've run into and they're awful. Even with aimlock they can't consistently hit you so they hop in turret and get pocketed. The turret melts anything that stops moving for a split second or if you get hit with cc. I ran into one last night with an Adam warlock pocketing him and also cheating.
@aliencreative9360 he's drunk, pc competitive isn't cross play. Quick matches are for little babies
@@aeit999 what are you on about? Brother I'll post the replay code when I hop back on it's still in my history and it was a console only quick match. Thank Christ I haven't run into one in competitive yet
Replay ID: 10112513352
Objection! Intentional poor wording; intentional misleading of the reader:
this video premise is about direct memory cheats on PC & doesn't mention console cheats at all.
Its like kernel level anticheats sole purpose is not to actually detect cheats 😯
The cheating in this game is worse than cod, that’s saying something. The anti cheat is worse than ricochet it seems
sociopaths, all of them
The punisher might have this aim hack where you can scale a circle on the screen around the crosshair where the bullets go to the head if the head is in that circle.
Saw this from some hackers video in Deadlock the bullets just curved to the head or something.
Id imagine some people are delusional enough to feel good about shitting on people while having a small circle of aim assist.
Haven't been able to enjoy deadlock since seeing that ngl luckily in marvel rivals i didn't encounter to much obvious hackers on my way to diamond.
Only one guy in qp playing hawkeye that had cheats like I've seen in deadlock it looks like bad tickrate because your already behind the wall when he headshots but its just an arrow that curves.
I reported him and 1 day later i got a message that he is banned till 2124. 😂
Perhaps if you cheat a little you can still get shit on by characters that don't need good aim and have game knowledge.
Ironically consoles should be the competitive standard for FPS.
Major problem is MnK are the optimal controller and you know how people act when you bring that to console (even without aim assist which is what ximming does)
Umm no? You dont seem to be aware that console is an even worse cesspool for cheaters than PC. Strikepack/Cronus/XIM use is rampant in all competitive games at all levels of play and are mostly undetectable. If you honestly think console is free of cheating you're incredibly ignorant.
@Reverie Gaming its not true that marvel rivals ant-cheat is bad! thats a complete lie...there system is far better than most AAA games. it took 4 games for cheater to get banned in ranked and refunded my lost points by the way.
People need to realize that their are bots in the game too, so report but very well could be a bot lol
people wants to win so badly on a virtual game that they buy expensive hardware that can eneable cheats for the fake sensation of being a pro , my god .
DMA cheats arnt just expensive to get the firmware that runs on a DMA device is basicly impossibel . DMA cheats arnt realy commen becouse we talk about a thousend just for hard were and nother thousend for the firmeware if you can get your hands on any in the first place pluse most likely a monthly fee on top its so expensive basicly no body does it most cheats are software based
Literally what is the point of cheatinf
You know, that best to way to play the game without hackers is just PS5 with cross play OFF. You won't see a single hacker in a week, maybe even for a month.
Its easy to know when you're up againdt cheaters. Their entire team will sprint into the open with no strategy just aim botting people.
Rather than ban people, they should use the invisible ban hammer. We would do it on other games where you would just hit nothing even if you are up close. Yes devs can detect cheaters and it is relative easy.
Cheaters are some of the biggest losers. lol
These ppl aren't even hackers, that would at least take some effort. They're just filthy cheaters.
Cheaters ruined Apex Legends... I can see this game dying for the same reason.
This is why I only play against console players, which is why console is better than pc
It sucks because they're 100% doing it for the money. What fun is there in watching a stupid bot-aim lock everything? People can't tell by watching their streams?
How do they get money off of it
It's so infuriating. I hate cheaters. Like how is it rewarding to play? Are you that sad, that you only play it's because you win and nothing else. Some games you aren't good at. Admit it about yourself. Move on.
8:35 dudes accuracy is 30% and dude proceeds to shoot at outlines of enemies behind walls so he drops his accuracy cuz he doesn’t want people to see 80% accuracy using punisher
boring ppl with cheat apps. should be ban their ip whan is discover and bye bye
Upper 90th percentile of the haxxor claims are just cope from trash players. The player models move as slow as Christmas in that game so how can you miss? when you have people who came from games like quake who are used to shooting at targets zipping across the screen at light speed… come over to rivals and it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
These generation is weak in everyway
ok unc
take youre pills and get your sleep
youre awake longer than usual
you need youre sleep
@@scrollexdestinyyoull reach the "unc level" sooner
The only good thing about playing on console. Not every pc player is a cheater, but every cheater is a PC player.
Xim apex has been on console for years lmfao
Emulating a mouse and keyboard on console so that it also has aim assist is insanely common
If only that were true
your wrong its not about the hacking problem the reason thers so many hackers is because thers to many players that suck
It's wild that you didn't know you could use aimbot on projectiles with all the hacking Hawkeyes
Also there's a rapid fire Punisher cheat I hadn't seen before until I ran into it in a quickplay. Replay ID:5083864408 they start out normal although they're terrible but then the start turning the hacks on.