KTM 1290 Super Duke R v Ducati Streetfighter V4S | Which is Best?
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- KTM 1290 Super Duke R v Ducati Streetfighter V4S | Which is Best? Back in the summer I was lucky enough to ride both the KTM 1290 Superduke R and the Ducati V4S Streetfighter back to back and compare them directly - in this video I tell you which I think is best based on my comparison.....do you agree with my findings??
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I disagree on the instruments. Ducati not having a fuel gauge in 2020 is just unforgivable
still better than a shitty kawa, ktm, honda or suzuki
@@SRNAR8 if you say so. If you own a ducati you better be a good mechanic
Really? No even know about that 😱😱😱😱😱😱 no f.g. In 2010 not acceptable too😗😗😗🤙🤙🤙
@@christophereaves7108 I am unsure what your direct experience with a Ducati is… but I purchased a 2018 Multistrada 1260S (over KTM, BMW, etc.) and have over 15k miles with No problems. Which is better than the Honda it replaced.
It’s to help owners of the bike with range anxiety.
This time I’ve got to disagree, I’m from Italy and maybe not so sensible to that “something about Ducati” but having tested both I confess the one that really mesmerised me was the KTM. Engine, flickability and overall the fun factor. Cheers!
yeah beybe
Oh ya me too KTM GRIN MACHINE
And KTM has cruise control, really handy on longer trips ;)
The Ducati claim that they can't get a sensor sounds like a total cop-out, and not really an acceptable one at the prices they ask.
still better than all other hyper nakeds
I tested both bikes last year and bought the Ktm . The Ducati is a lovely bike but what most reviews don't mention is its appalling fuel range ,which when ridden hard gave 67 miles from a full tank ( ktm 110 miles ). Suspension wise the Ducati just edges it but engine wise on the road it needs thrashing before it really takes off ,whereas the ktm is flying at 6000 rpm .Also the Street fighter is silly money for a performance exhaust , which it needs as it sounds like a bag of spanners standard ,and the plastic wings on a 20 grand bike , come on Ducati !
Didn't mention the add$5-6k for "S" on top of KTM, Slipper Clutch is standard. I own 2018 SDR, buying 2nd 2021 in March. He didn't even mention the GRUNT aka:higher torque, worthy of a mention, and 12,500rpms for peak HP on Duc,,,,,,Sounds like he is a White collar guy, wanting to impress others, NOT ME! No need to impress anyone,,,,V4S is nice, but not $24K nice, 59 yrs old & KTM Again!
ktm is for peasants and is cheap bike. No one wants shit stuff. People want luxury and comfy like ducati. Ducati looks better too and has better brand.
@@SRNAR8 its a shame when less enlightened people like you think brand image and expensive means better. Just mind you don't suffocate your chihuahua when it's in your gucci handbag
@@darrenbutler9261 man randomly talks about chihuahua. U watch too much beastality u weirdo.
@@SRNAR8 Sounds like you just want your ego stroked.
As always, world-class content and delivery. Thanks for this video, sir.
Thank you kindly!
Great video Andy, but hoonage award goes to the SD for sure! SF is far to controlled by its electronics, it doesn't even wheelie without turning everything off. SD let's you have some fun 😎
You damned hooligan chopsie, it's tear away nere-do-wells like you that give bikers a bad name!!! Wheelies indeed, I dunno......
I'd take the ZH2 over the SD chops. Knox did a back to back performance test [acceleration, roll on in all gears etc] and the Kawi won nearly every test. And that supercharger sounds sweet. New se version has latest skyhook suspension [smoother more controlled ride on the road] and has stylema calipers with braided hoses and Brembo master cylinder.
Hey Andy, can’t you block some of the riff-raff off your video comments? .......LOL 👍🏼
@@fyorbane The ZH2 drinks fuel with the supercharger though. My previous bike was the H2 SX SE+, so I've experienced owning a bike with that engine & now have the KTM which is a far better machine to live with daily.
@@colinmcfarlane2042 Depends on what you want. I say for reliability I would go with the kawi. The kawi H2 SX makes for a better long distance bike and it sounds cooler with that supercharger whistle.
This reminded me of one of those sarcastic videos clarkson used to do, but this was loads better. Keep up the good work matey
Thank you, a very enjoyable watch, keep up the good work 👍
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Great video as always
Appreciate that
Both are incredible, but the idea of a super high performance V-twin really appeals to me.
Here’s my question, because of the price difference, the KTM in the States is about $18,500 and the Streetfighter V4S is about $24,000... would a more fair, dollar for dollar comparison be the standard Streetfighter that runs just under $20,000 and doesn’t have the semi-automatic Ohlns suspension? Perhaps the KTM might beat out the Ducati in that more equivalent comparison?
This is an older vid before the Evo came out for the KTM. Now apples to apples since the EVO has the semi-auto suspension that would be a more reasonable comp. That being said, the Evo is $19,500 so still much cheaper than the V4S with better tech and more features which is why I bought the EVO. I personally thought it was a better bike anyway.
Nice back to back reviews on both awesome bikes 👍🏼
Nice evenly balanced review, thanks 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for watching!
Awesome review Andy! Haven’t ridden them however I’m sure I’d be happy with either! Thank you. 👍😎🇦🇺
No problem 👍
Very helpful video 😊👍
Glad it was helpful!
Great review just purchased the street fighter today - thank you
Wow lucky fella - what a bike!
Been waiting for this one, and having taken delivery of a new Superduke I don’t feel too sad. Gotta disagree with fun factor to the Duke though, KTM has it in spades. Both great bikes and thanks for the review.
ewww duke user here. How u feel with a cheap ktm brand xDDD
Ducati for me, that's it. Looking forward to any bike + plane videos combo when the lockdown relaxes. Great vid TMF
Enjoyed the video, though I echo the previous comment about missing the price comparison.
I’ve been waiting for the comparison, Ducati for me too. Excellent review as always.
Thanks! 👍
Close call between the two bikes, I agree. Considering how often we reach the extent of the 180 or 200+ bhp, I will be very interested to see how you rate the new S1000r sport when it's released in a couple of months or so. It's supposedly more street orientated. Hope you have that one on your list.
Good comparison video TMF
Thanks 👍
Tuono for me 😁 good vid as usual, thanks. Nice Aston Martin on the lanes.
What are your thoughts on 2021 BMWs1000r? Vs my thoughts on buying Ducati streetfighter?
Surprised the backlit switchgear on the KTM didn’t tip that segment in its favour. Great video TMF 👌🏼👍🏻😎
Thanks 👍
Oh my. Tmf giving the people the content they need
The KTM is an absolute dream to ride, you can have amazing fun at 6k. A friend has the Duke and it's a beautiful thing, but it doesn't have the flexibility in the engine on the road like the SDR does. The KTM is an amazing weapon and now with semi active suspension on the 2022 evo.
I bought the previous generation KTM SD 1290 (the price difference for the latest model wasn't worth it to me). For me it's all about the engine, and smoothness isn't a category I care about (in the sense of vibrations, good fueling is still a must). I do like a V4, but the power and torque delivery of a 1301cc V-Twin, especially in the low-mid range, is something I like a lot more. Perfect for the sort of hills riding I like to do.
I have a 2019 1290 Supertorque. The low end torque is addictive and I can get over 50 mpg. Brrraap.
Would be interesting to see the comparison on price for both bikes with the SDR fully loaded with the performance pack and track pack ?
@Andy Freeman Yeah . . that's pretty much why I went with the SDR too. The price on the Duc is just way too high for me to justify. Hell, I felt guilty buying the SDR considering it's one of the most expensive bikes in this class from a major manufacturer. Don't regret it at all though. If money weren't an issue I may have gone with the Duc, but there's just something about the SDR that spoke to me.
Would you consider test riding a Versys-X 300? I know it's a few years since release but I'm interested in your opinion on it. Safe riding!
Great video once again. I totally agree with your opinions. The streetfighter is the nicer than the KTM, but as you say everything is marginal. Have to sat though, if I was getting one it would be the KTM, love the streetfighter but it doesn't justify being so much more expensive
Love the out takes at the end!
Thanks for sticking around!
Would be interested in your opinion of the v4s multistrada - can’t see a review unless I have missed it
Not ridden it yet - would love too!
I think you got it right for the most part. However, the only thing I would change would be the handlebar controls. The KTM has cruise control and the Ducati does not. I would award an extra point to the KTM so it would be two to three and one draw. 😊
And look at the price difference ktm is a winner
Great comparison video, thank you. I think it would also be good to have a section comparing both purchase cost and running costs (the latter you would have to estimate if you won't have the bike for very long). If two bikes are very similar in their abilities and are trading blows in various categories, if one bike would cost you £4k more and you had to service it much more frequently, I think that would inevitably be the deciding factor for many of us. I probably wouldn't mention MPG as we don't purchase these bikes for their economy. However if there was a massive difference in MPG then it's probably worth mentioning that too.
Nice video again. 👍
Thanks for the visit
Having owned various Ducati's and KTM's over the years I was interested to watch this comparison video, and I know it's only based upon one persons perspective. Some things worth mentioning while watching: -
1. The Ducati screen flicked from day/night way more than the KTM's throughout the video, even before it was mentioned it was annoying me as it was changing constantly.
2. I agree that having to pay to get the Q/S to work on the KTM is a cheeky move, but it is £3.5k cheaper than the Ducati
3. Both are super naked's but one is nearly a third of the price more than the other, so you would expect better finish/components.
4. I've not ridden the Streetfighter so I cannot agree/disagree but I have heard from people that have, have said the Streetfighters engine is amazing but you have to rev it to utilise that power which isn't the point of a road bike.
Keep up the good work, there's a 1290RR looming which should be similar ££ to the SFV4S so that would be a good comparison on a better level.
after watching this i’m definitely going to the ktm..i initially wanted the duck but after a few reviews the ktm clinches it for me
Hi TMF, I realize this comparison is between the KTM 1290 Super Duke R and the Ducati Streetfighter V4S, however, I just revisted your comparison video between the GS and the XR 2020 and I can't help but wonder...if you could only choose between the 2020 BMW S1000 XR (red version of course) and the 2020 Ducati Streetfighter v4S, which would you choose? I happen to own a 2020 Ducati Streetfighter V4S and have been drawn to the BMW S1000 XR. You're perspective would be especially helpful.
Totally agree Ducati for me! It’s just that extra bit special! Great video 👍
Epic comparison Andy. What a choice to make between these two beasts?
Out of these I think I would go for the KTM. Can’t put my finger on why, just would.
Thanks for keeping me sane during Lockdown3.0. It is much appreciated.
My pleasure Gary!
Think both are equally good choices if you want a great hyper naked, though IMO the V4 looks the best (love how they managed to integrate the headlight's curve into the tank, none of that 'tacked on bits and bobs'-feeling some bikes suffer from). Though I guess we'll have to wait for the MV Dragster to release so you can have the ultimate naked hyper hooligan shootout (might need a s1000rr in the mix as well, get cracking ;3).
Another good video Tmf ..well ktm for me it's just the price really as I like both bikes .thanks from danny
Thanks for the comparison, I wanted to know if they were different in the head on wind hitting you as both are nakeds. Was one better than the other? Never owned a naked before.
Both the same in that department.....
Another excellent and informative review and comparison, thanks. I was with the KTM right to the point where you said the quick shifter was a software extra, I’ve had two KTM’s but tired of this kind of customer contempt now, love the bikes but hey, healthy competition has caught up now guys. Now narrowed my choice down to the Ducati Street-fighter or Triumph Speed Triple RS. 👏
Thanks for watching Andrew...
I want to get a super naked this year and the KTM and the Ducati street fighter are in my list but waiting till March , April time so I can see the new triumph speed triple 1200 RS in Watford. Lots to think about with choice and brand. You video's help alot as its great to see someone else's prospect. Great job sir
Thank you - glad to help!
Great comparison between the two big boys. It would of been nice in this video to display side by side the features of the bikes. Great video though 👍🏼
Sadly I didn’t have both bikes at the same time!
Great comparison. I was torn when I bought my Streetfighter V4S, I love a good KTM too. But it's just so epic, I'm really glad I went with the Ducati!
Good man Richard, from the comments it seems we're in the minoroty - both bikes are epic, but for me the Ducati nudges it....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Well, our opinions are no more valid than the next riders. But to fully appreciate one does have to experience. And as well as riding hundreds of other bikes, we've actually ridden these extensively. So hopefully, we're talking from an impartial place of experience! Plus the Ducati is red. 😉
These two are beasts! A bit annoying how quickly the KTM's info screen goes into night mod. But the KTM's tach looks easier to read.
I just picked up a 2019 BMW S1000R Sport with 1800 miles for £9000. That still has to be the best supernaked considering value for money!
Yes that is a lot of bike for the money - well done....
You can get a 2014 S1000R for around £6k. That's got to be an absolute bargain
Lovely bike for that money and in my opinion the best value Super naked on the road.
And its a BMW
@@MAK9246 the 2017+ sport with DDC, cruise control and heated is the best value.
I loved my S1000R , one of the best 👌🏻 well done 👍🏻
All down to personal smiles per gallon. I have the KTM in my garage after riding both, another will differ that’s why we love talking bikes 😜
What about mpg and running costs? I know the Multistrada is awful returning circa 25 mpg
Hi TMF, nice little down to earth comparison as usual, Having tested both of these fab bikes, my pants say KTM, heart says Ducati..... if you get my drift, I found the Ktm to be like Swat team full on and aggressive with the Ducati v4s Streetfighter being just as effective and super fast without making a song and Dance...
Can you do a Honda msx125 review ?
Hi TMF. Can you show us with detail those helmet hangers on yours garage ceiling? Nice solution. Cheers from Portugal.
They’re just hooks screwed into the roof joists!
Fascinating comparison. Even if I had the money...which I haven't, I'm unlikely to be looking at a super naked but I still acknowledge that they're both great bikes. I'd agree with you that the Ducati just about takes the prize, but I'm not sure that it's significantly better enough to justify the extra cost over the KTM. So on that basis, I'd probably go for the KTM, which is about 95% as good for about 85% of the price!
I've just met Andy and Carol on a walk in Missenden ...... What a lovely couple
Not today you didn't - we haven't been for a walk!!! Imposter alert!!!!
Knowing the updates... would you choose the duke evo r or the streetfighter sp? Knowing that the ducati is like 7k-ish more
Not worth 7K more - The Duke wins at those prices….
I think the comfort aspect is quite important as well. I like to go on longer trips so I had to get rid of my S1000R. Lovely bike but being tallish (185cm) made it quite uncomfortable on longer journeys. It's a GS life for me now, lol. Luckily I can enjoy the bikes through these videos!
Fair enough!
Thank you Sir.
I'm curious to see outcome if you could get on a ZH2.
I think you've missed a very important point, practicality. KTM offers easy release side bags, much more comfortable pillion seat, cruise control, screens and many other accessories. This is a really big advantage for KTM.
I had no idea the V4s didn't offer cruise control. I love to have fun and go fast, but also enjoy a peaceful tour of the coast too, and cruise control is huge for me. Think that just made my decision easier.
U can also add a windscreen fro. Puig, a street rack from sw motech and u got yourself a proper touring bike. Can’t say the same about the Ducati. Not to mention the sidebags have an “ invisible” mounting system.
Have you seen the blacked out streetfighter? Really wish they put the black ohlins fork tubes on it.
I think a disadvantage with the Ducati is the price which is a reasonable amount more. I have a 2018 SDR up for replacement soon and would contemplate the Streetfighter for a change though. Having said that I haven’t managed to do 900 miles on my SDR from new yet 🙈
I was confident of being right :-). Personally I would take an adventure bike because my grin factor comes from touring all over Europe. I'm sure these are great for a Sunday blatt for the younger amongst us though.
I enjoyed the comparison a lot, loved the pre-editing even more 😂. If I was in the market for a supenaked, I would go for a Tuono. The poise, the sound of the v4 (that sounds like a v4 and not a v2), the excitement... Completely useless on road therefore essential.
Exactly - it's all about the heart this exotic motorbike lark isn't it, not about the head!
Considering that you have your Panigale for those lovely summer days /nights when you want a sports bike.
What would you rather have: The Streetfighter S or The BMW S1000XR (2020 New one) and why?
Any forecast on when you might get ahold of a Speed Triple 1200 ?
Will be a couple of months yet I suspect...
Totally agree. Love a V4 engine..
Fun video, thanks. (Interestingly, in American, when comparing two items we say “which is better?”)
Divided by a common language.....
Enjoyed that comparison; well done! For the first thirty years riding motorcycles, my main pre-purchase source of information was advertising and word of mouth; at best, tribal. For the last twenty years, I’ve been obsessed about finding out as much as possible before buying. But, and I have no idea if my experience is representative, for me the quality of the dealership has driven my choice as much as the bike itself. To this end, before they all disappear and we buy everything on-line, it may be interesting to “review” dealerships: what attracts, what repels, what enables and impedes sales and customer loyalty?
Yes I have thought about that Walter....might be something in that.....
is that a street fighter sized space opening up in your garage just where the penigale is?
I'm trying hard to make one!!
Hi geat video! But i still have some questions! im really really in to both bikes. And i still can't decide on which one i should buy. But I know that on the Streetfighter you can change the throttle settings. Like for instance to medium or low and then when you yank the throttle it will ''gently'' arcelerate. So different than the wheely control. Is there a similar thing on the KTM 1290 super duke?
Yes, Performance and Track modes have different throttle settings to choose from
Jumping back and forth between the 2 bikes, I can really hear the difference in the sound of the engines. I prefer the way the KTM sounds. The Ducati isn't bad but the KTM has a more pleasing lower growl.
Yes it's quite noticeable when you watch the video isn't t - more so than when I actually rode them!
I just sold my 2018 KTM 1290 SDR and ordered a 2021 Ducati Streetfighter V4S, have not tried the Ducati so I am excited.
At least I do not think I have done anything stupid.
And thanks for the video.
I seem to be in a minority but I'd have the Ducati over the KTM personally....
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up cruise control or heated grips on the KTM. As a road bike that costs over 20 grand, it is pretty inexcusable the Ducati doesn’t offer either. You also missed the in dash navigation the the KTM offers. Again for a 20 grand bike, these are the features that buyers are looking for in a road bike. The fact that you cant get them on the Ducati (apart from heated grips which is a $500 extra when dealer installs) is inexcusable for the price they charge.
And no fuel gauge!!?? Are you serious ?
My 2018 Super Duke has a fuel gauge. You would think all the R&D Audi/VW that they could figure out a fuel gauge vs a stupid excuse.
@@Firestorm637 If you look at the fuel tank on the Ducati it is partially under the seat and makes a sharp bend so it would be very difficult to make an accurate gauge due to the shape. So that I can understand why they wouldn’t do it. But the cruise control, heated grips, and navigation that are missing are inexcusable for a bike at this price point, especially given that Ducati include all those features on the new Multistrada.
Have you seen the fuel tanks on some of KTM’s adventure bikes. They still have fuel gases KTM is rapidly growing approaching number 3, Kawasaki!
He also didn't bring up the KTM is keyless vs the ignition system of the ducati. You would think ducati would offer that on a $24k bike. They do in the diavel so why not that. I own 2018 SDR and I don't think I could ever go back to a key ignition system. He missed a lot of points on the KTM in my opinion. Not really a fair comparison.
The "something about a Ducati" - the wondering when it's going to have the next issue. ;)
Or wondering the cost of the next service
Never had a problem with mine.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer You probably don't take it out in the same conditions as e.g. the GS though, right? Probably washing after every ride vs coming home wet from a commute in the dark of winter and it being too cold to wash? My 1290 has been far better (and still looks new when washed) than the MultiStrada in those use cases.
Any bike is likely to have few problems if "babied". 😜
@@eubikedude Yes true, I do baby my Ducati for sure - that's what it's there for!
I own a 2012 monster 796 with no issues at all.
Clearly both fantastic bikes would love to own either. As you say most important factor is grin factor. Cheers Andy.
Totally agree - at this point of silly money and silly power logic kind of goes out of the window anyway, these are feel-good emotion machines....
I like Your garage inside a lot looks very tidy 😍😍😍
Is the SF really that loud vs the KTM or is it just the video? That noise would drive me nuts. How do the prices compare?
Well the KTM is significantly cheaper....and yes the Ducati is louder....
I know what the outcome is going to be but I'm gonna watch anyway😊
G'Day TMF. I'm with you on this comparison review. It's only the price of the Ducati would hold me back. The KTM is a very good
bike but i've read a lot of comments about their electronics package, not up to scratch. I need reliability for my cash!!
You have a CRF behind you in the opening shot of the video, did you buy another as regular viewers will know you sold yours or is the video out of sequence 🤷♂️
Out of sequence video - I recorded this in August, sold the CRF around October IIRC.....
No fuel sensor on the Ducati? 😡 for that reason alone at that price the KTM would be a winner for me.
Fair and honest comparison, I would still buy an MT10 and have enough cash left to buy a Royal Enfield Interceptor. (The Ducati does look good though)
Fair enough....
Tested both but went for the Duke. It's the V Twin appeal, I first experienced while owning an XDiavel. Having said that, if Ducati put the 1260 Testastretta in the Monster I'd buy it.
Thank you Mr. Flyer...I was wondering about your impressions on these two machines. I would think you're one of the rare people to have the experience? In any case they ARE on my radar.....and having the V4S Panigale, I would say the Ducati has the edge for me. BUT, I will take a ride on a KTM before that particular trigger gets pulled.
And the really large price difference has to play a part as well......
Who wouldn’t love either of these in the Garage ? 😎 I loved my original Duke 990 and 790 , now ? I’d probably go for the Ducati’s 4 cylinder and comfort (seat )
Any chance you can get hold of a Kawasaki Z H2 to compare too!
I think you should have mentioned price difference which I think makes the KTM the winner, even with the quickshifter added cost. The Ducati is nice but grin factor I think would go for the KTM because of torque being higher? So when taking this into consideration and cost I think the KTM has it but then I do own one lol👍🏻 Keep up the good work
Another great side by side comparison Andy. However is the V4s worth the extra 5k or so, over the Superduke in your real world opinion?
Probably not by any logical measure - but I'd still have the Ducati over the KTM if money was not an issue....
1:28 Does the display change colour because you go into the shade of the trees?
Yes it does....a little too readily for my liking!
Maybe you should have put the cost of each bike next to each other but as always another great review
Hey! Did you get back your Interceptor yet? Thank's!
Nah - COVID causing delays - I reckon it'll be a couple of months yet reading between the lines.....no rush on my part as we can't ride for fun currently!
How do you have your recording audio so crisp what’s your setting ?
Just have the mic close to my mouth…
Mr Flyer can you do a quick comparison of V1, V2 and V3 Superduke 1290 with the current riding computer technology and wizardry, how relevant is the V1 and V2 in 2021.
Sadly no - I don’t have access to those bikes or know enough about them....
Both bikes seem brilliant. Not sure if it’s anything to do with sound recording but, Ducati sounds mechanically harsh compared to ktm. Please, please as soon as it’s possible, give us a test on the speed triple? Great video as always.
Will do....
Ducati sounds low on engine oil.
Not nice.
I owned both a 1098 street fighter and zx10r..i am 51 and looking at a comfortable super naked..with my 1098 i found it a bit uncomfortable bit loads of fun..and the zx10r was good and easy to ride..have you riden the zh2 kawasaki? Seems to tick all the boxes for me with regards to comfort.. power..and ease of riding..thoughts?
Yes I have…..
Great comparison! Can you compare the Streetfighter with your Street Triple R? Worth the price to upgrade?? 😎
Sorry also should have said I really enjoy your content . Thanks for sharing
No worries!
TheMissendenFlyer
do review on cfmoto 650nk
Wonderful review. If you could pick, 1290duke r or 890 Duke r?
1290 for me….
Just down to personal preference for me.
As such a nice bike the Ducati is, the engine note just sets my teeth on edge. As an overall package, agreed, the better bike.
KTM for me based on the simple fact, I like it and as you have said Andy, its all down to what makes you want from a bike.
There are no really bad bikes anymore, not like the 70’s and 80’s bikes we had back in the day.
Couldn’t agree more Doc!