6:15 don’t forget the second episode involved a Viking and a traitor falling off a cliff to their literal deaths. And goliath’s response to the deaths of the two responsible for The near complete death of his clan and love. (but she wasn’t really) Was not satisfaction that they were gone but instead of anger that he did not personally kill them himself they died from their own incompetence. “I have been denied everything, even my REVENGE!”
@@nickb2208 First - pay attention Second - I didn't suggest Young Justice. Someone else did. Third - they aren't wrong either. Fourth - Sunday?! Be quiet. The stereotype associated is Saturday. Sunday has nothing to do with it. And cartoons are more commonly associated with weekdays than Sundays. And Young Justice aired on regular TV before WB/DC created a streaming service. So, you're still wrong. And the ways in which a show can air or be broadcast have always been so varied and completely different from country to country that saying something like "it's not the same kind of cartoon because blah blah blah" just makes you look foolish. I suggest that you educate yourself more on the subject before responding.
@@shadow4040 there's actually talk with Greg Weisman to revive the series I think. The talk was revolving around Netflix but I think he's talking to Disney about putting it on Disney +
Hmmm.......i would say that while Xanatos took defeat much better, id say they were about as conniving as each other, yet luthor is probably smarter. Luthor also had much much bigger aspirations and grander vision
Demona is one of the best Disney villains, just like real main character! She is very complicated, poor and evil. I like her stories, before she turned into bad, she really loves Goliath and her clan, but she used the worst way to “help” them. Besides, her relationships with Goliath, Macbeth and Angela are very interesting to me, they makes her very complicated.
Mystique was the main inspiration behind her character, seance her original debut the character was re-imagined as a person who born at the early 1600s England. So likewise Demona, she saw the rotten roots of modern society and every form of war, prejudice and intolerance.
this is the second of your videos Ive watched, the lion king sequels was recommended lol, and I really love your approach. Great editing and everyone of your little jokes I laughed heartily at. Consider me subscribed and stanning :)
I was a senior in high school when this came out. I freaking loved this show! The third season was beyond lackluster. I’m glad Greg Weismann was able to write his third season in the Kitchen Sink Press comics that came out in the early to mid 2000’s.
Same here; season 3 was unfortunate.. If you followed the ReBoot retrospective I did over the summer, you may be surprised to see the return of an old enemy mucking up Gargoyles' final season
luckly among my christmas presents this year i got the entire series on bluray "no you didn't goliath chronicles never got a home release" .... i got the entire series...... there were no goliath chronicles
I wish we got to know Goliath's clan a bit better. You get a few shots of them waking up, and fighting in the first episode (like that one with the Bull Horns!!! Awesome design), and later in "Shadows of the Past" I want to know just how big his clan was
If people could stop calling Gargoyles a children's show, I'd appreciate it. Calling it a children's show kind of diminishes it. This was top-notch for all ages and can't compare. It was a good show, period.
Yeah, I loved this show growing up. So dark and edgy. Guns, blood, death, so...un-Disney! As I got older, I grew to better appreciate the voice cast as well, as I learned of their shared Trekkie histories.
i always thought it was weird how they stressed the fact they cant fly but only glide on currents of wind but clearly they flap their wings in a couple different episodes
Such an awesome series, great to see it getting some attention. Season 3 wasn't very good but the comic book alternate season 3 is a far more interesting end to the series.
Gargoyles was one of my favorite shows growing up, we even had the first episodes compiled together on VHS with the accompanying board game, which was how my brother and I were first introduced to the series.
Didn't know season 2 was a thousand episodes long but now it makes sense why the show felt like it was longer than 3 seasons. Looking forward to the full series!
@@deathknight75 Yes, very sad. Still, I'd love seeing Greg Weisman & Victor Cook reunite to work on something Spidey related, even if it's an entirely new show.
Ahh, David Xanatos. He has his very own Tropes. The "Xanatos Gambit" . Put simply, it's when all possible outcomes of your plan benefit you. Even losing, you come out on top. And Xanatos Speed Chess which is when you do this on the fly.
"Gargoyles" is still among my top 10 favorite Disney TV shows. I remember when I used to watch it all the time on Toon Disney with my brother and some friends of ours back in the day. I think my favorite character would either be Brooklyn or Hudson.
A friend of mine came up with a theory called "Hulk Smash Theory" which postulates that any problem can be solved by the application of sufficient force. Hulk was his first piece of evidence, and Goliath was his second, and I have to admit that it kinda works. Watching Goliath rage out and literally get stronger as he gets angrier is one of my favorite parts of this show. And yes, Keith David does have the most badass voice on earth.
Man I love gargoyles. I first watched it when my aunt was showing me shows she watched when she was young. My favourites included this and beast wars transformers. I can honestly go back and watch this now when I’m 20 and still enjoy it. Edit: wrote this before you mentioned beast wars. Lol.
The greatest IP Disney ever developed IMHO! Greg weisman is a great showrunner and weaves a sophisticated narrative layered with character driven plots that take on different meanings with multiple viewings. If you like Gargoyles, I would like to take this opportunity to compare it to my favorite Transformers series, "Transformers animated". Just as complex story threads with rich character arcs. There are even actor crossovers playing similar roles. Bill Faggerbake is Broadway/Bulkhead. Almost identical in their team dynamic. Same with Jeff Bennett as Brooklyn/prowl. Like Xanotos, Megatron is so far ahead of the Autobots with his machinations that the autobots don't even know he's alive. Ratchet is so much the Hudson archetype that ratchet has a flashback about losing his antenna the same exact way Hudson scared his eye. The relationship between Blackaracnia and optimus is just as tragic as the falling out between goliath and demons. I loved gargoyles from minute 1and have seen few shows(animated or live action)that nurtured world building so intricately. Sorry for filtering everything through a transformer lens, it's how my brain works!😂
Just finished the video. Regarding the seasons, Most only recognize the first and second seasons of Continuity. By Season 3 Disney had removed Greg Weisman from the show and well... The results weren't pretty. At all. The REAL season 3 was created in a comic series called Gargoyles: Clan Building, and a would be spin off called Bad Guys is also collected in six issues. Both were written by Greg Weisma and put Disney's third season to shame. Good luck finding them though. They had a limited print run and are pretty rare. Volumes 1 & 2 of Clan building can go for upwards of $100 on Ebay and amazon. Bad Guys can go for three times that. Edit: I'm in the midst of putting together my own youtube channel, I have all three books and would be happy to go over them when you get around to season 3. or can just send you info on twitter or FB.
I respectfully disagree that the final comics were an adequate replacement for a 3rd season of the main story. The spin-offs we're fine on their own. But the continuation of the main timeline was done by Greg with no input from the original writing team. The spin-offs were just his babies, so he could write whatever. But the main series was written by a team, as mentioned in the video, who played a large role in developing the characters and overarching themes. So enjoying the books are fine, but you need to take into account that he was able to change already agreed upon or assumed elements of the story into ways he personally preferred. Former writers have stated they did not see the show going in the direction he took it, nor were in favor of the character development alterations he made. Episodes that were planned we're dumped, and original character traits were altered just to draw attention to the project since it was unlikely to bring in much $$ to begin with and needed a media attention boost. Disney was willing to rent the license out to see if it could make money in any capacity. However, it didn't make enough to warrant continuation. The original story is still owned by Disney. Any changes made are not canon unless the story is brought back by Disney, and it is then agreed whether to continue in the direction of S2 (I'm guessing they'll just ignore S3) or integrate ideas from the comics.
Cassy Glass The initial season was headed up by Greg Weisman as chief creative head. When Disney ordered 54 episodes for Season 2, Greg was faced with producing four times the work, in the same amount of time, with the expectation that the same amount of quality would hold. so the first thing Greg did by necessity was expand the creative team to get the season done on time. This is discussed on the interviews on the DVD's. Which does make sense as One inconsistency from season one and two is Goliaths prowess as a warrior being reduced, as in S1 Macbeth and Demona balked at direct confrontation with him, preferring guile and trickery but in S2 they seemed to handle him too easily. However, Greg did remain creative head. Many of his ideas going forward into season 3 were far superior to what was given, and the cast definitely remained in character where in Goliath chronicles characters had some severe shifts in competence and tone from episode to episode. The thing with fandoms is that they tend to chose what's canon and what isn't when creative directions shift. I know many who consider Timothy Zahns Thrawn Trilogy canon over Star Wars films Vii and Viii and many prefer Peter Davids New Frontier series over Discovery. I've brought many a fellow Trekkie into Gargoyles by merit of the Trek voice actors and by the time they get halfway through Goliath Chronicles they tend to quit, but when I hand them the three graphic novels they binge read through them very quickly and feel THAT is the true Season 3.
@@thechad7643 I'm just going to be honest with you. I am the reason those books even made it to print. I know quite a lot I'm not supposed to. Those stories can be enjoyed by you, but they are not accurate to the way the story was going to be told. Some of it is, but a lot isn't. Again, I'm not referring to the spin offs, since those were originally just back up ideas if Disney wanted to bite on something new. I am speaking of just main timeline stuff. But all that aside, the real issue is Disney (if any new stories are told) will probably either reboot it entirely to catch ppl up. That way whoever gets to produce it can do their own thing based on what they think will be popular now/within a much smaller budget. Or the other option might be to just go back to the original comedy version, since that would fit the whole Cal-Art thing, and then they could start generating a younger fandom from scratch. I mean, it has been 25 years. So maybe they will just make a simpler version for their new streaming service. Gargoyles was fantastic, but niche. Shows with smaller followings don't sell enough merch. Animation is expensive, so it needs to generate product sales (back packs or action figures) to stick around. So unless they do a live action film, we might just get stuck with a more younger, kid friendly version. Disney might want to play it safe. Just curious, did you get to read those few issues Marvel did back in the 90's? Think the art was done by Amanda Conner.
Cassy Glass well Casey, I'm certain that even in light of the vital roles you played, and thank you for that, in putting those comics out, equal credit and respect is due to Greg as well as the artists as well as the fans who supported the book and the comic shops that made it possible to get the books into he hands of their loyal customers. Team effort all around and all that. As for what would have happened if the band had stuck together past Season 2, who can say. As someone that read up on all of gregs blog entries on the series proper, I find some ideas, well one in particular, regarding the sexual preferences of one particular character that was supposed to be brought up during season 3 and hinted at in the vaguest terms in volume 2 of the comic, to be daring if not a bit puzzling as to the why's this would matter. But ultimately it's Gregs universe and characters so it's his decision there. One has to wonder how this ultimately would have played out, especially in the 90's. Regarding what is continuity though. Regarding what is the TRUE interpretation of the story, that's ultimately up to the fans as the success of a series involves a synergy of trust, communication, and respect between the creators and their fandom. This is why the Star Wars Expanded Universe enjoyed such profitability while the brand under the Disney umbrella had seen a sharp decline. This is why The older Star Trek series enjoy regular viewings on Netflix and CBS is distributing Discovery for free on TH-cam. The situation you describe is not dissimilar to X-men Forever. Where series chief benefactor, Chris Clairemont, returned to the book after roughly twenty years away, began his tun by picking up the continuity from when he left, and making bold and radical changes that make fans wonder was this really the direction he envisioned or was this done for shock? Regardless there are still fans that liked what the book did, more than the series proper, and that is always up to the fans to decide what continuity they prefer when storytelling paths differ in a series. As for your question about whether I happened upon the 90's comics, no sadly I never did. I was only aware of clan building and bad guys by the marvel of the internet, which was a pale shadow of what it would become back in 1994.
Gargoyles never really steps into time paradoxes, as far as I recall. They're very careful to have all the time travel escapades be stable loops. They might hurt your head, but the timeline is stable.
@@BullSession I admit, I don't fully remember the storyline you're referencing, but unless Xanatos actually sired himself, it is merely a stable time loop, however questionable that loop might be. He did it because it had been done in his past.
No it's quite literally a paradox. When they get the Eye of Odin and travel back to Scotland 1000 years in the past, he commissions someone to eventually track him down hundreds of years later and give him something to help him become insanely wealthy. His father is in the same episode and he remakes to his father that he is literally a self made man.
FINALLY! Others who love and appreciate this show like me. I literally just binged the whole first season this past weekend. So damn good, and soooooooo underrated. This show is the best thing Disney has ever done.
Such a great show, looking forward to the rest of the retrospective. If I can throw my hat in on a recommendation, I suggest the love letter to the Transformers franchise, Transformers Animated. Man was that a show tragically cut short.
@@BullSession oh man, absolutely hyped for it then. Found your channel when you were doing the Mainframe retrospective and have absolutely loved the content you've put out. Keep it up, I'll definitely keep watching.
Ah Gargoyles. I first saw it when one of the other kids in daycare back in ‘94 or ‘93 showed up with it and we all watched it during a day where we didn’t have school. I thought that was the last time I would see it. Then ‘I ate crow’ after stumbling on to it later on local TV. By the time it was in it’s third season I was lost. To me it was a popular thing that I couldn’t watch when I couldn’t keep track about where in the story I was. Thank God for Toon Disney.
Fun fact, that 5 part straight to video movie of the shows beginning had a board game included that interacted with the video tword the end of the tape
God, how do you keep finding new ways to keep me in engaged. I thought i was done after reboot, then you do beast wars, then you do battle planets, then the CG spiderman, now gargoyles. Pleaseeeee do spectacular spiderman. It was such an under rated show.
I can't really see any scenario where I don't eventually cover Spectacular Spider-Man; it's the most acclaimed series in the franchise, and the whole thing is only like 26 episodes. Maybe in the lead-up to Far From Home!
I like the moment that Young Demona refused to harm Goliath and fighting to Future Demona. Though she get crazy and creepy, she still has maternal love after knowing Angela is her daughter. In fact, she knows her faults in her deep down, but she unwilling to admit it.
I've never really watched Gargoyles all that much as a kid but seeing it here now, most of the scenes look like typical 90s western animation, but a few of the shots in the video look down right anime. And I'm not just saying that in a stylistic sense. They straight up look like a Japanese anime studio produced them. Namely the team at Sunrise that would eventually go on to form studio BONES.
Just got done watching the whole show on Disney+. God I love it, and it does hold up. I'm just shocked 9 year old me could keep up with it. I was definitely punching above my intellectual weight class on this one.
This show was the first dark series that Disney has ever done. And when we think about the other shows they've made on the last years (Gravity Falls, Owl House...) and the new avengers movies, we ask why not bringing them back? We had a cameo of Goliath on Amphibia already, so I think it's a great chance to suggest to have this show back. #KeepBingingGargoyles
Thanks so much for making the videos that you do. I've grown up with so many of these shows and its great to have someone talk about them and relive the fun! I stumbled across your channel and always look forward to what you put out next. This show was great. Lots of fun and loved the characters.
I love how complex ALL of the recurring characters are! Hated how they treated Griff in the end but at the same time, appreciate how they treated Macbeth in the end. Anyway, there are no words to describe how much I adore this show.
In order of my three favorite cartoons from when I was a kid would definitely be: Gargoyles Reboot The Real Ghostbusters Anything Disney Afternoon and Warner Bros related would all be bout equal after that.
Absolutely my most favorite cartoon... I love this series... I'm kinda blown away Disney is willing to reboot and make endless crappy 2nd,3rd and even 4th movies but they haven't even brought this back... Oh God I would love to see new episodes for this.. it was written and done so well.. it had me at hello lol
12:37 Another correction, and minor spoiler. Cold Stone was made from the resurrected remains of THREE of Goliaths former warriors. This is delved into in Season 2.
I love the story to this show!I know this is nitpicking and superficial but I hated how the animation was,In one scene there would be detailed high quality animation and they moved fluidly and natural then the next scene they're like minimalist and less detailed not moving as well.
I might not have been the biggest _fan_ of the series, though, I always loved it, but goddamn. That theme, the grim setting, everything, I think it had an effect on little me way back when. I can feel it, every time I hear that opener.
Just finished Season 1. I definitely watched a few episodes as a kid when it originally aired, but most of it was unfamiliar to me, so I had an awesome time getting through it and experiencing it properly. Can't wait to get through S2, but sounds like that is a much bigger binge mission haha. As soon as I've finished it all, time to go back through Gundam Wing, that's my main 90s kid nostalgia fix. :D
I used to watch this show when I was verrrry little because my older brother loved it. But later on he was at an age where he kinda moved on to playing video games and stopped giving a shit about it so all his action figures from this show became mine. lol
I love Gargoyles! Season 1and 2 were epic. I missed most of 3 since it changed chanels to one I could not get. Till a few episodes showed up on one Saturday morning. Until I picked it up on dvd. I only got the comics last year those were better then season 3.
Comics are canon replacements for Season 3. And boy... season 3 really wanted to be X men... Although Gargoyles are not humans/mutants so it makes no sense.
Gargoyles The Next Generation. C’mon I had too, Because they got some of the cast of Star Trek The Next Generation, Like Jonathan Frakes, Marina Sirtis, Michael Dorn, Brent ‘Data’ Spiner, & Colm Meaney.
Everytime I think of Gargoyles I remember how great season 1 and 2 were. But the 3rd season called Goliath's something was really really bad. I forget why it was so bad though...not to mention that this show has one of the most charismatic villains/anti heroes ever to be animated. He rivals Justice League Unlimited's Lex Luthor.
Ahh yes, season three... There's a lot of problems with season three; most of which come down on our old enemy from the ReBoot retrospective... the ABC network. And yea, Jonathan Frakes is the man, baybee!
Yeah the biggest problem with The Goliath Chronicles was Greg Weisman leaving after the first episode. The writing went all over the place, characters acted extremely OoC. Going to a Saturday morning timeslot changed the tone of the show in general. The addition of The Quarrymen as villains was a strong point and the opening and ending episodes were strong as well as The Dying of the Light being a stand out episode that gave fan creators a lot to work with but the rest of the episodes were barely _meh_ at best and a few were just plain bad in my opinion.
Disney made this show because other company’s were making fun of the Disney cartoon block and kid like show and how they couldn’t make a adult cartoon. Then Disney does this, ahhhh when Disney was amazing
i loved this show as a kid, even as a teen i used to bunk last class on thursdays to get home in time to watch the repeats. I remember the second property, outside the lion king, that i used to draw and make comics and fan fiction for. I loved the whole premise and Demona was such an awesome complicated female character
Love the retrospectives you do ... brings up a lot of good memories of my favourite shows as a kid ... Gargoyles being prolly my all time fav with Reboot being a close 2nd.
@@BullSession I know. I followed the series pretty intensely during its run time and recognized Nichelle immediately. When Michael Dorn showed up I was in Trek geek heaven. I had a friend who swore that in Season 2's the Mirror **** was played by Voyagers Doctor due to the sarcasm and playfulness. When I revealed that he was played by Brent Spiner they kinda stared into space for a minute.
I love this show. My only problem is with Xanatos. As cool as he seems on the surface, it just bothers me that his goals and motivations are so unclear. He’s basically just their antagonist because “reasons”.
"I see no walls to guard this city. How do you protect it from invaders?" ... it's an island. You're from Scotland, you should understand that concept. Until they invent catapults that float, island cities don't need walls.
It was a little rough around the edges but it's still pretty interesting that they could make a whole superhero story from scratch that can stand shoulder-to-shoulder I think with anything they had it DC or Marvel
Some of the voice actors are also from Stephen King's The Stand. Fox is voiced by the Nadine actress. The Trashcan man actor voices one of the villains.
"I've been denied everything- EVEN MY REVENGE!"
That line gives me chills. Every. Single. Time.
6:15 don’t forget the second episode involved a Viking and a traitor falling off a cliff to their literal deaths.
And goliath’s response to the deaths of the two responsible for The near complete death of his clan and love. (but she wasn’t really)
Was not satisfaction that they were gone but instead of anger that he did not personally kill them himself they died from their own incompetence.
“I have been denied everything, even my REVENGE!”
Hands down, one of the best moments in the entire series.
they dont make cartoons like this anymore, i loved this series as a kid and still love it as an adult.
Yes. They do.
@@orinanime that's not a regular cartoon you catch on Saturday and Sunday like Gargoyles was. So it doesn't even count .
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First - pay attention
Second - I didn't suggest Young Justice. Someone else did.
Third - they aren't wrong either.
Fourth - Sunday?! Be quiet. The stereotype associated is Saturday. Sunday has nothing to do with it.
And cartoons are more commonly associated with weekdays than Sundays.
And Young Justice aired on regular TV before WB/DC created a streaming service.
So, you're still wrong.
And the ways in which a show can air or be broadcast have always been so varied and completely different from country to country that saying something like "it's not the same kind of cartoon because blah blah blah" just makes you look foolish.
I suggest that you educate yourself more on the subject before responding.
That's Disney's main motive make family movies not just kids stuff
@@shadow4040 there's actually talk with Greg Weisman to revive the series I think.
The talk was revolving around Netflix but I think he's talking to Disney about putting it on Disney +
I'm told that Xanatos is the villian Lex Luther aspires to be and wishes he was.
Hell yea
Except when he has a kid and suddenly is the good guy with all previous actions forgiven
Better hair too
Hmmm.......i would say that while Xanatos took defeat much better, id say they were about as conniving as each other, yet luthor is probably smarter. Luthor also had much much bigger aspirations and grander vision
Lex Luther is smarter, but Xanatos has a higher degree of emotional intelligence
Gargoyles : Star Trek After Dark
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Demona is one of the best Disney villains, just like real main character!
She is very complicated, poor and evil.
I like her stories, before she turned into bad, she really loves Goliath and her clan, but she used the worst way to “help” them.
Besides, her relationships with Goliath, Macbeth and Angela are very interesting to me, they makes her very complicated.
Mystique was the main inspiration behind her character, seance her original debut the character was re-imagined as a person who born at the early 1600s England. So likewise Demona, she saw the rotten roots of modern society and every form of war, prejudice and intolerance.
Definitely one of my favorite villains. I mean, look at my name
Season 2: th-cam.com/video/g5HsLo8D2Q0/w-d-xo.html
Should totally review army of darkness next for your movie pick. ;)
i remember watching this weekday afternoons in Trinidad and Tobago and it was one of my favourite shows
Keith David intensifies!!
this is the second of your videos Ive watched, the lion king sequels was recommended lol, and I really love your approach. Great editing and everyone of your little jokes I laughed heartily at. Consider me subscribed and stanning :)
The coolest part of the show is that the villain MacBeth is literally meant to be the same character from Shakespeare.
heh, yea I love that
I'm a simple person: I see a video dedicated to my favorite show, I click (:
God bless your heart
I was a senior in high school when this came out. I freaking loved this show! The third season was beyond lackluster. I’m glad Greg Weismann was able to write his third season in the Kitchen Sink Press comics that came out in the early to mid 2000’s.
Same here; season 3 was unfortunate.. If you followed the ReBoot retrospective I did over the summer, you may be surprised to see the return of an old enemy mucking up Gargoyles' final season
Ohhh great, now I want to re watch the series...
Do it!
luckly among my christmas presents this year i got the entire series on bluray
"no you didn't goliath chronicles never got a home release"
.... i got the entire series...... there were no goliath chronicles
The Gargoyles Discord Clan is currently having a rewatch every wednesday and saturday. We'd love to have you discordapp.com/invite/eQuBFqR
It's on kisscartoon..
Demona is one of the best Disney villains!
I wish we got to know Goliath's clan a bit better. You get a few shots of them waking up, and fighting in the first episode (like that one with the Bull Horns!!! Awesome design), and later in "Shadows of the Past" I want to know just how big his clan was
If people could stop calling Gargoyles a children's show, I'd appreciate it. Calling it a children's show kind of diminishes it. This was top-notch for all ages and can't compare. It was a good show, period.
Agreed
David Goliath no one gonna put those things together
You did :D
Right. Villain and hero. David and Goliath.
Yeah how about Demona and Angela
Yeah, I loved this show growing up. So dark and edgy. Guns, blood, death, so...un-Disney!
As I got older, I grew to better appreciate the voice cast as well, as I learned of their shared Trekkie histories.
Pretty much my exact experience with the series as well
i always thought it was weird how they stressed the fact they cant fly but only glide on currents of wind but clearly they flap their wings in a couple different episodes
They never explained how they can be so big and strong but glide. They’d have to be super lightweight with hollow bones
Such an awesome series, great to see it getting some attention. Season 3 wasn't very good but the comic book alternate season 3 is a far more interesting end to the series.
But it is still forced ending with just three storyarcs.
@@38procentkrytyk That wasn't supposed to the comic book's ending. The comic was canceled because the license was too expensive for SLG to renew
Gargoyles was one of my favorite shows growing up, we even had the first episodes compiled together on VHS with the accompanying board game, which was how my brother and I were first introduced to the series.
Didn't know season 2 was a thousand episodes long but now it makes sense why the show felt like it was longer than 3 seasons. Looking forward to the full series!
Young Justice's revival on Netflix gives me renewed hope this & Spectacular Spidey can also be brought back.
That'd be awesome. I also heard Jordan Peele pitched a live action Gargoyles movie to Disney last summer.
Unfortunately with the legal limbo Spectacular Spider-Man is in we aren't likely to see a revival of it.
@@BullSession Heard they passed on it. Really stupid decision, given the recent surge of 90s nostalgia to capitalize on.
@@deathknight75 Yes, very sad. Still, I'd love seeing Greg Weisman & Victor Cook reunite to work on something Spidey related, even if it's an entirely new show.
Doubt it. You're going to have to dig away dirt to rediscover
Ahh, David Xanatos. He has his very own Tropes. The "Xanatos Gambit" . Put simply, it's when all possible outcomes of your plan benefit you. Even losing, you come out on top. And Xanatos Speed Chess which is when you do this on the fly.
"Gargoyles" is still among my top 10 favorite Disney TV shows. I remember when I used to watch it all the time on Toon Disney with my brother and some friends of ours back in the day.
I think my favorite character would either be Brooklyn or Hudson.
A friend of mine came up with a theory called "Hulk Smash Theory" which postulates that any problem can be solved by the application of sufficient force.
Hulk was his first piece of evidence, and Goliath was his second, and I have to admit that it kinda works. Watching Goliath rage out and literally get stronger as he gets angrier is one of my favorite parts of this show.
And yes, Keith David does have the most badass voice on earth.
Man I love gargoyles. I first watched it when my aunt was showing me shows she watched when she was young. My favourites included this and beast wars transformers. I can honestly go back and watch this now when I’m 20 and still enjoy it.
Edit: wrote this before you mentioned beast wars. Lol.
The greatest IP Disney ever developed IMHO! Greg weisman is a great showrunner and weaves a sophisticated narrative layered with character driven plots that take on different meanings with multiple viewings. If you like Gargoyles, I would like to take this opportunity to compare it to my favorite Transformers series, "Transformers animated". Just as complex story threads with rich character arcs. There are even actor crossovers playing similar roles. Bill Faggerbake is Broadway/Bulkhead. Almost identical in their team dynamic. Same with Jeff Bennett as Brooklyn/prowl. Like Xanotos, Megatron is so far ahead of the Autobots with his machinations that the autobots don't even know he's alive. Ratchet is so much the Hudson archetype that ratchet has a flashback about losing his antenna the same exact way Hudson scared his eye. The relationship between Blackaracnia and optimus is just as tragic as the falling out between goliath and demons. I loved gargoyles from minute 1and have seen few shows(animated or live action)that nurtured world building so intricately. Sorry for filtering everything through a transformer lens, it's how my brain works!😂
Just finished the video. Regarding the seasons, Most only recognize the first and second seasons of Continuity. By Season 3 Disney had removed Greg Weisman from the show and well... The results weren't pretty. At all.
The REAL season 3 was created in a comic series called Gargoyles: Clan Building, and a would be spin off called Bad Guys is also collected in six issues. Both were written by Greg Weisma and put Disney's third season to shame.
Good luck finding them though. They had a limited print run and are pretty rare. Volumes 1 & 2 of Clan building can go for upwards of $100 on Ebay and amazon. Bad Guys can go for three times that.
Edit: I'm in the midst of putting together my own youtube channel, I have all three books and would be happy to go over them when you get around to season 3. or can just send you info on twitter or FB.
I have Volume 1 of the comic; don't have Vol 2, or Bad Guys though. Hit me up on twitter! Link in description
I respectfully disagree that the final comics were an adequate replacement for a 3rd season of the main story. The spin-offs we're fine on their own. But the continuation of the main timeline was done by Greg with no input from the original writing team. The spin-offs were just his babies, so he could write whatever. But the main series was written by a team, as mentioned in the video, who played a large role in developing the characters and overarching themes. So enjoying the books are fine, but you need to take into account that he was able to change already agreed upon or assumed elements of the story into ways he personally preferred. Former writers have stated they did not see the show going in the direction he took it, nor were in favor of the character development alterations he made. Episodes that were planned we're dumped, and original character traits were altered just to draw attention to the project since it was unlikely to bring in much $$ to begin with and needed a media attention boost. Disney was willing to rent the license out to see if it could make money in any capacity. However, it didn't make enough to warrant continuation. The original story is still owned by Disney. Any changes made are not canon unless the story is brought back by Disney, and it is then agreed whether to continue in the direction of S2 (I'm guessing they'll just ignore S3) or integrate ideas from the comics.
Cassy Glass The initial season was headed up by Greg Weisman as chief creative head. When Disney ordered 54 episodes for Season 2, Greg was faced with producing four times the work, in the same amount of time, with the expectation that the same amount of quality would hold. so the first thing Greg did by necessity was expand the creative team to get the season done on time. This is discussed on the interviews on the DVD's.
Which does make sense as One inconsistency from season one and two is Goliaths prowess as a warrior being reduced, as in S1 Macbeth and Demona balked at direct confrontation with him, preferring guile and trickery but in S2 they seemed to handle him too easily.
However, Greg did remain creative head. Many of his ideas going forward into season 3 were far superior to what was given, and the cast definitely remained in character where in Goliath chronicles characters had some severe shifts in competence and tone from episode to episode.
The thing with fandoms is that they tend to chose what's canon and what isn't when creative directions shift. I know many who consider Timothy Zahns Thrawn Trilogy canon over Star Wars films Vii and Viii and many prefer Peter Davids New Frontier series over Discovery. I've brought many a fellow Trekkie into Gargoyles by merit of the Trek voice actors and by the time they get halfway through Goliath Chronicles they tend to quit, but when I hand them the three graphic novels they binge read through them very quickly and feel THAT is the true Season 3.
@@thechad7643 I'm just going to be honest with you. I am the reason those books even made it to print. I know quite a lot I'm not supposed to. Those stories can be enjoyed by you, but they are not accurate to the way the story was going to be told. Some of it is, but a lot isn't. Again, I'm not referring to the spin offs, since those were originally just back up ideas if Disney wanted to bite on something new. I am speaking of just main timeline stuff.
But all that aside, the real issue is Disney (if any new stories are told) will probably either reboot it entirely to catch ppl up. That way whoever gets to produce it can do their own thing based on what they think will be popular now/within a much smaller budget. Or the other option might be to just go back to the original comedy version, since that would fit the whole Cal-Art thing, and then they could start generating a younger fandom from scratch. I mean, it has been 25 years. So maybe they will just make a simpler version for their new streaming service. Gargoyles was fantastic, but niche. Shows with smaller followings don't sell enough merch. Animation is expensive, so it needs to generate product sales (back packs or action figures) to stick around. So unless they do a live action film, we might just get stuck with a more younger, kid friendly version. Disney might want to play it safe.
Just curious, did you get to read those few issues Marvel did back in the 90's? Think the art was done by Amanda Conner.
Cassy Glass well Casey, I'm certain that even in light of the vital roles you played, and thank you for that, in putting those comics out, equal credit and respect is due to Greg as well as the artists as well as the fans who supported the book and the comic shops that made it possible to get the books into he hands of their loyal customers. Team effort all around and all that.
As for what would have happened if the band had stuck together past Season 2, who can say. As someone that read up on all of gregs blog entries on the series proper, I find some ideas, well one in particular, regarding the sexual preferences of one particular character that was supposed to be brought up during season 3 and hinted at in the vaguest terms in volume 2 of the comic, to be daring if not a bit puzzling as to the why's this would matter. But ultimately it's Gregs universe and characters so it's his decision there. One has to wonder how this ultimately would have played out, especially in the 90's.
Regarding what is continuity though. Regarding what is the TRUE interpretation of the story, that's ultimately up to the fans as the success of a series involves a synergy of trust, communication, and respect between the creators and their fandom. This is why the Star Wars Expanded Universe enjoyed such profitability while the brand under the Disney umbrella had seen a sharp decline. This is why The older Star Trek series enjoy regular viewings on Netflix and CBS is distributing Discovery for free on TH-cam.
The situation you describe is not dissimilar to X-men Forever. Where series chief benefactor, Chris Clairemont, returned to the book after roughly twenty years away, began his tun by picking up the continuity from when he left, and making bold and radical changes that make fans wonder was this really the direction he envisioned or was this done for shock? Regardless there are still fans that liked what the book did, more than the series proper, and that is always up to the fans to decide what continuity they prefer when storytelling paths differ in a series.
As for your question about whether I happened upon the 90's comics, no sadly I never did. I was only aware of clan building and bad guys by the marvel of the internet, which was a pale shadow of what it would become back in 1994.
Gargoyles never really steps into time paradoxes, as far as I recall. They're very careful to have all the time travel escapades be stable loops. They might hurt your head, but the timeline is stable.
IIRC Xantos' origin is a time paradox, but its been quite some time since I last watched through; I could be wrong.
@@BullSession I admit, I don't fully remember the storyline you're referencing, but unless Xanatos actually sired himself, it is merely a stable time loop, however questionable that loop might be. He did it because it had been done in his past.
No it's quite literally a paradox. When they get the Eye of Odin and travel back to Scotland 1000 years in the past, he commissions someone to eventually track him down hundreds of years later and give him something to help him become insanely wealthy.
His father is in the same episode and he remakes to his father that he is literally a self made man.
Bronx is voiced by Frank Welker, best known to Transformer fans as G1 and Prime Megatron.
Welker did tons of animal voices for Disney. He also voiced Abu in Aladdin
And Nibbler on Futurama.
He’s pretty much the other man of 1000 voices.
wait what? seriously? now its even more awesome
FINALLY! Others who love and appreciate this show like me. I literally just binged the whole first season this past weekend. So damn good, and soooooooo underrated. This show is the best thing Disney has ever done.
- Hears Keith David's Goliath voice
- Proceeds to lose control of my ovaries
My favorite TV series of all time, period. Love it to pieces
Such a great show, looking forward to the rest of the retrospective.
If I can throw my hat in on a recommendation, I suggest the love letter to the Transformers franchise, Transformers Animated. Man was that a show tragically cut short.
That one is definitely in the pipeline
@@BullSession oh man, absolutely hyped for it then. Found your channel when you were doing the Mainframe retrospective and have absolutely loved the content you've put out. Keep it up, I'll definitely keep watching.
Ah Gargoyles.
I first saw it when one of the other kids in daycare back in ‘94 or ‘93 showed up with it and we all watched it during a day where we didn’t have school.
I thought that was the last time I would see it. Then ‘I ate crow’ after stumbling on to it later on local TV.
By the time it was in it’s third season I was lost.
To me it was a popular thing that I couldn’t watch when I couldn’t keep track about where in the story I was.
Thank God for Toon Disney.
*"Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaah......*
*One, two, princes kneel before you*
*That's what I said, now*
*Princes, Princes who adore you..."*
No song better encapsulates the 90s. ;)
This series was my everything as a kid
Finally a channel that summarizes shows season by season.
I love this series, as a kid I stood up at 6 am every weekend to watch the episodes
Fun fact, that 5 part straight to video movie of the shows beginning had a board game included that interacted with the video tword the end of the tape
God, how do you keep finding new ways to keep me in engaged. I thought i was done after reboot, then you do beast wars, then you do battle planets, then the CG spiderman, now gargoyles. Pleaseeeee do spectacular spiderman. It was such an under rated show.
I can't really see any scenario where I don't eventually cover Spectacular Spider-Man; it's the most acclaimed series in the franchise, and the whole thing is only like 26 episodes. Maybe in the lead-up to Far From Home!
First Reboot, then Beast Wars and now Gargoyles!? Good sir, your taste in toons is admirable. Thank you for these videos.
I like the moment that Young Demona refused to harm Goliath and fighting to Future Demona.
Though she get crazy and creepy, she still has maternal love after knowing Angela is her daughter.
In fact, she knows her faults in her deep down, but she unwilling to admit it.
I've never really watched Gargoyles all that much as a kid but seeing it here now, most of the scenes look like typical 90s western animation, but a few of the shots in the video look down right anime. And I'm not just saying that in a stylistic sense. They straight up look like a Japanese anime studio produced them. Namely the team at Sunrise that would eventually go on to form studio BONES.
Just got done watching the whole show on Disney+.
God I love it, and it does hold up. I'm just shocked 9 year old me could keep up with it. I was definitely punching above my intellectual weight class on this one.
This show was the first dark series that Disney has ever done. And when we think about the other shows they've made on the last years (Gravity Falls, Owl House...) and the new avengers movies, we ask why not bringing them back?
We had a cameo of Goliath on Amphibia already, so I think it's a great chance to suggest to have this show back.
#KeepBingingGargoyles
Thanks so much for making the videos that you do. I've grown up with so many of these shows and its great to have someone talk about them and relive the fun! I stumbled across your channel and always look forward to what you put out next. This show was great. Lots of fun and loved the characters.
You're very welcome!
"Fast forward, 1000 years to present day 1994."
\*Two Princes starts playing*
Of course. :P
I love how complex ALL of the recurring characters are! Hated how they treated Griff in the end but at the same time, appreciate how they treated Macbeth in the end. Anyway, there are no words to describe how much I adore this show.
Golden Age of Cartoons! :D
In order of my three favorite cartoons from when I was a kid would definitely be:
Gargoyles
Reboot
The Real Ghostbusters
Anything Disney Afternoon and Warner Bros related would all be bout equal after that.
Absolutely my most favorite cartoon... I love this series... I'm kinda blown away Disney is willing to reboot and make endless crappy 2nd,3rd and even 4th movies but they haven't even brought this back... Oh God I would love to see new episodes for this.. it was written and done so well.. it had me at hello lol
Ah yeaaaahhhh!!! More! This retrospect is not over and I'm already wondering what's next. Do everything.
Angel of the Night!
That show was and still is the best damn thing to ever come out of Disney studios
I died when Hudson swore
*ME:* It's the Quack Pack!
*Sees video:* Damn it, I thought I got it right.
ehh, same thing really.
I had my money on Gummi Bears, but apparently " I'm " wrong
@@lockjaw467 Ha, no, that's silly... Grammy would never allow Cubby to around guys like us... Oh God I remember their names I need help...
7:37 I was born in 85 and watched the entire series growing up so hearing that edit killed me 😂😂
Can't wait for you to talk about City Of Stone. Show's best multi parter! :)
12:37
Another correction, and minor spoiler.
Cold Stone was made from the resurrected remains of THREE of Goliaths former warriors. This is delved into in Season 2.
I'll get into that in the season two video; it wasn't really relevant here, since its implied in the episode that he just comes from one
I love the story to this show!I know this is nitpicking and superficial but I hated how the animation was,In one scene there would be detailed high quality animation and they moved fluidly and natural then the next scene they're like minimalist and less detailed not moving as well.
Used to watch Gargoyles all the time. I’m even one of those rare kids who saw the gun episode before it was censored for reruns!
I'm pretty sure I saw it too, though it's hard to be sure going back to when I was three years old haha
I might not have been the biggest _fan_ of the series, though, I always loved it, but goddamn. That theme, the grim setting, everything, I think it had an effect on little me way back when. I can feel it, every time I hear that opener.
Just finished Season 1. I definitely watched a few episodes as a kid when it originally aired, but most of it was unfamiliar to me, so I had an awesome time getting through it and experiencing it properly. Can't wait to get through S2, but sounds like that is a much bigger binge mission haha.
As soon as I've finished it all, time to go back through Gundam Wing, that's my main 90s kid nostalgia fix. :D
I used to watch this show when I was verrrry little because my older brother loved it. But later on he was at an age where he kinda moved on to playing video games and stopped giving a shit about it so all his action figures from this show became mine. lol
I love Gargoyles! Season 1and 2 were epic. I missed most of 3 since it changed chanels to one I could not get. Till a few episodes showed up on one Saturday morning. Until I picked it up on dvd. I only got the comics last year those were better then season 3.
Comics are canon replacements for Season 3. And boy... season 3 really wanted to be X men... Although Gargoyles are not humans/mutants so it makes no sense.
Gargoyles The Next Generation.
C’mon I had too, Because they got some of the cast of Star Trek The Next Generation, Like Jonathan Frakes, Marina Sirtis, Michael Dorn, Brent ‘Data’ Spiner, & Colm Meaney.
Let me know I made an error.
Everytime I think of Gargoyles I remember how great season 1 and 2 were. But the 3rd season called Goliath's something was really really bad. I forget why it was so bad though...not to mention that this show has one of the most charismatic villains/anti heroes ever to be animated. He rivals Justice League Unlimited's Lex Luthor.
Ahh yes, season three... There's a lot of problems with season three; most of which come down on our old enemy from the ReBoot retrospective... the ABC network. And yea, Jonathan Frakes is the man, baybee!
@@BullSession Wait a min...Commander ''We'll bang Ok? Riker from TNG'' was the voice of XANATOS and I never once noticed!!! LOL
He sure was!
Like the review said, Gargoyles was a veritable who's who of Star Trek. Pity Stewart never appeared.
Yeah the biggest problem with The Goliath Chronicles was Greg Weisman leaving after the first episode. The writing went all over the place, characters acted extremely OoC. Going to a Saturday morning timeslot changed the tone of the show in general.
The addition of The Quarrymen as villains was a strong point and the opening and ending episodes were strong as well as The Dying of the Light being a stand out episode that gave fan creators a lot to work with but the rest of the episodes were barely _meh_ at best and a few were just plain bad in my opinion.
I often look back at these characters and think to myself: I miss them.
5:02 When Demona attacks in season 1, she makes Cheetor's transformation sound. Gargoyles came first, but the sound seems older than that.
Man, Keith David is just a legend, phenomenal actor
Disney made this show because other company’s were making fun of the Disney cartoon block and kid like show and how they couldn’t make a adult cartoon.
Then Disney does this, ahhhh when Disney was amazing
i loved this show as a kid, even as a teen i used to bunk last class on thursdays to get home in time to watch the repeats. I remember the second property, outside the lion king, that i used to draw and make comics and fan fiction for. I loved the whole premise and Demona was such an awesome complicated female character
Good work! Hope your channel continues to rise in popularity.
Happy to see one of my personal favorites from my childhood get to love and attention it deserves.
Favorite cartoon ever. Have a tat of Brooklyn. Such a great show, cut short
Can we just get a Greg Wiseman series of videos? W.I.T.C.H, Spectacular Spider-Man, and Young Justice.
An all time classic, season 1 and 2 of course
Love the retrospectives you do ... brings up a lot of good memories of my favourite shows as a kid ... Gargoyles being prolly my all time fav with Reboot being a close 2nd.
The theme song is still legendary to this day!
Guess im rewatching Gargoyles
12:31
Correction. Nichelle Nichols appears in Deadly force, episode 8 in season 1. Not going to say as who because I'm not a spoiler kind of guy.
Ahh, darn it! You're right...
@@BullSession I know. I followed the series pretty intensely during its run time and recognized Nichelle immediately. When Michael Dorn showed up I was in Trek geek heaven.
I had a friend who swore that in Season 2's the Mirror **** was played by Voyagers Doctor due to the sarcasm and playfulness. When I revealed that he was played by Brent Spiner they kinda stared into space for a minute.
I’m already signed on. Reason: Johnathan Frakes’ voice. He voiced the billionaire that moved the castle to New York
Xanatos: It’s Alive, Alive!!!!!!
Xanatos: I always wanted to say that
Me: 🤣 let me guess Frankenstein LOL!!!!!
10:32
I've always wondered if that was actually scripted or ad-libed.
But it's one of the best bits for me out of S1.
Glad I found this channel. Been rewatching gargoyles every morning..great video glad found fellow gargoyles fan
I love this show. My only problem is with Xanatos. As cool as he seems on the surface, it just bothers me that his goals and motivations are so unclear. He’s basically just their antagonist because “reasons”.
Great video and explanation brother. You should mention how Keith David is also voiced as the arbiter in the Halo series.
Never played any of those games, but he'll definitely come up again if I ever cover Spawn
Well well well, Looks like you’re covering a Disney show everybody likes.
Bro that Family Guy/Jackal reference was an amazing deeeeeep cut lol
I know literally nothing about this show (other than it's existence) so I've really been looking forward to your video on it
I can now say it definitely didn't disappoint
Glad you enjoyed!
FUCK YEAH, IT'S GARGOYLES!
I loved this show so much as a kid!
Ooh! Great new topic.
Wondering if you'll continue your Mainframe retrospective with ActionMan?
Eventually I'll finish out Mainframe, but for now I think its time to shift years a bit.
One of My favourite cartoons as a kid
for the record: Colm Meaney was notably on TNG before DS9
"I see no walls to guard this city. How do you protect it from invaders?"
... it's an island. You're from Scotland, you should understand that concept. Until they invent catapults that float, island cities don't need walls.
Awesome video! Just finished watching Gargoyles for the first time and I loved it.
It was a little rough around the edges but it's still pretty interesting that they could make a whole superhero story from scratch that can stand shoulder-to-shoulder I think with anything they had it DC or Marvel
Gargoyles: If TMNT was Beast Wars
Sam Butler so true, this deserves more likes.
This was my favorite show when i was a kid.
Some of the voice actors are also from Stephen King's The Stand. Fox is voiced by the Nadine actress. The Trashcan man actor voices one of the villains.
Would love a live-action movie. Come on, Disney! Make it happen!!
Jordan Peele apparently pitched them one last summer, but they haven't moved on it yet.