i mean jaffar probably has his back because hes legit sorry for what he did, and matthews probably thinking "im the only one allowed to kill this son of a bitch" when jaffars in trouble
TheJayEagle That theme plays on Lyn's tutorial and also Fire Emblem is typically dark and all that. This might be one of the best events in the game in such a small cartridge. Compared to Fates, this game is superior.
@@themadpro in fire emblem conquest you get a choice in chapter 16 to kill or spare shura. If you spare him he joins you but if you choose to kill him then you steal his boots.
Matthew: "I will kill you." Jaffar."..." Matthew:"You will pay." Jaffar:"..." Matthew:"Be afraid!!!" Jaffar:"..." Matthew:"I love Nino." Jaffar: "Say what?" Matthew dies with one strike.
Imagine being Matthew, though. So purely and impossibly outclassed by Jaffar in combat that he has to resort to threatening an innocent girl just to have a chance.
In my playthrough. Matthew became a slightly better Assassin than Jaffar in terms if stats, it was... surprising. If I had the chance of having them clash I would of had them do so.
I've been thinking about this support earlier. They were one of my favourite parts of FE7. I like how the last thing Leila said was Matthew, then in this support when Matthew thought he was going to die (and also if he does actually die) he says "Leila". Really enjoyed their conversations in the Forging Bonds event of Heroes.
Ikarus568 Fates Got you Covered Bud, Revelations Oboro's and Beruka's support... Beruka did not kill Oboro's Parents, but her master did and her master got killed by Beruka, Oboro wanted to Avenge her parents and Thinks the only way to avenge them is Killing Beruka now... but refuses because what is the point?, It's just bloody murder, Assasins job is to kill, not of their attentions, but be the force. The Real Murderers are those that Hire the assasins, those that pull the trigger, not the gun itself. Yes, assasins are violent, but they will always saldy exist
Blake Blast don't forget awakening when sayri fights yenfai, she asks why he says nothing yet watched his parents and village get burned and did nothing, why didn't he fight the bad guys why did he turn against his sister and ylisse, then after he dies sayri says why did he hold back. In the end of the chapter we find out he's been keeping his mouth shut and obeying orders just to protect his sister he even kept quiet at death to keep her safe, it may be a villain but it was a good support and very sad to see the brother go through so much even seeing his village burn to keep his sister safe then dying not even telling her that he did all this for her he died to keep her safe
I'm not even saying this out of distaste, but it's because everyone has to end up together. The supports we do get in a similar vain to these are same gender supports, like F!Robin and Aversa or Oboro and Beruka
@@brendancoulter5761 Yeah because it's not dark as hell for young boy to murder his entire house, including his father, when said father announced his intentions of forcing his step daughter to marry him and force her to bear him a child. Nothing dark about a little girl being held prisoner in a dark dungeon infested with rats, and the only comfort allowed is the screams of her siblings being tortured to death or insanity. Yeah the new games certainly aren't as fucked up as the old ones.
C'mon.. who wouldn't be mad if your Fiance gets killed and the killer is in front of you. I mean when i was a child i planned to stab my neighbor's cat for eating by pet fish.. imagine in adulthood then?
No, Jaffar is really bad because he joins extremely late. His stats are pretty good, but his class is trash, and Matthew has tons of utility before Jaffar even first appears
If you intented to use Thief/Assassin as combat units then of course Matthew is a better choice. Wind affinity makes up what assassins generally lack: attack. It is just assassin is crap and people only deploy one to kill off generic enemies as it takes heavy RNG for assassin to consistently kill bosses with silencer. In this scenario it is better off just use Jaffar as he requires no investments and leave the boss fights to contenders like Eliwood, Hector, Raven, Pent.
@@abc2390986 yeah there's no debate with that i love my boi Matthew tho so i always spend too much of my time RNG abusing just to get him the right level ups
well we can assume that Jaffar killed a lot more and has even destroyed some families before he joins your army Jaffar was raised by Nergal so before Nergal created the three morphs Ephidel, Sonia and Limstella, he didn't even have the help of the Black Fang back then because Sonia is the one he sent to secretly manipulate the Black Fang so before control of the Black Fang through Sonia, Nergal probably had Jaffar do alot of killing in order to get the required quintessence just to create Sonia. and then after that Sonia seduced Brendan (ok but really, i'm still in disbelief... leader of the biggest assassin company in all of Elibe, and he falls to some gorgeous tits? what an embarrassing example...) and then the Black Fang did most of the work for them the number of innocents Jaffar has killed probably even rivals the total number of kills the entire Black Fang has ever made
I bet it's like "I better show this kid how good I am so he knows not to mess with me ever again" or something like that. Instead of doing better via motivation, it's all pure spite.
For Matthew, I think it strengthens his will to survive. Like "I can't die here, not when that bastards right there! I will avenge Leila!" For Jaffar, I have no better term than "Atonement brain". Jaffar won't allow himself to die just yet. He still has to protect Nino and atone for his crimes. Matthews is a living reminder of how many lives he messed up under Nergal and so he's motivated to keep living. (Maybe I'm wrong but IDC, I think it makes sense.)
I really wish we had the opportunity to fight Jaffar in-game. I wanted so desperately for Matthew to kill him -- to avenge Leila, even if it meant I'd lose out on a reward. We never got that chance...I'm...unsatisfied with this.
If memory serves correctly, she actually isn't killed, she just retreats. After all, like Bartre, she has to be alive for Fe6, as Nino would go on to be the mother of Lugh and Raigh.
Episode 5 Chapter 1 *A Rises of black the fangs Arc* 0:56 *New Quest* : *Keep your Hands safe!* Since nino his Step Family is Sonia Moving away from Black fang again. New kid, old times is most of the times. Then Brendan Engages with a departures of Revenge forever. He ordered save her Isadora and others. The prisoners several of lord nergal. Those are being worst day ever got be cursed of ra seru kai. *Beat this Brendan 0/1* *Defeat the Sonia 0/1*
I always let Jaffar die. Since i cant really attack him, it is my way of getting revenge for Leila. I never recruit him. It pisses me off a little when he escapes anyway but there is nothing i can do about it
But... Nino... doesn't she deserve some closure on her real parents? Cause she'll never discover the truth about them if Jaffar isn't recruited. Nor will she ever know what happened to her father figure who led the Black Fang. Also I don't think in any way Jaffar is truly capable of dying as his and Nino's kids are in the next game. He kinda gets a pass because his kids are required.
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This is the most unfriendly, animosity filled support pairing in the entire series.
"I will personally kill you by any means necessary"
*gets friendship bonus*
TheDiego908
*RANKU UP*
i mean jaffar probably has his back because hes legit sorry for what he did, and matthews probably thinking "im the only one allowed to kill this son of a bitch" when jaffars in trouble
GET ALWAY OF THIS MOTHE#@$@$ I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT IS WORTH OF HIS BLOOD
- Matthew the thief
Matthew is Vegeta confirmed
Can you imagine this going on in the middle of the final battle?
WE ARE FIGHTING A WORLD-ENDING DRAGON OVER HERE CAN YOU TWO STOP TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER!!!
"..." He has such a way with words
MISSEAN
COMPREE
@@herbmaaster AYA !
CMON !
Jaffar said only 24 words in these supports
For Kobe
TheFadedSpade Lmao
@@TheFadedSpade35 lmao
He has just as many in is epilogue
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Do those count?
"support" conversations
All of Jaffar's support convos
"..."
LITERALLY
Sami Malik
(Except nino ones)
"..."
Sami Malik you sure it's the right franchise? I don't see any ice mountain anywhere.
You have to wonder how the hell do they fight better side by side with this kind of support conversation..lol
I love how happy Lyn music is playing in this intense moment xD
TheJayEagle
That theme plays on Lyn's tutorial and also Fire Emblem is typically dark and all that. This might be one of the best events in the game in such a small cartridge. Compared to Fates, this game is superior.
When a villian that joined you killed your waifu
Kiril he killed his own sister
Great job
WarrenKT i wonder what will Pent and Louise say to that.. also doesn't Clarine atleast have the luck and speed to decently dodge Klein though?
And I have one having enemy Fir crits Sue to death right in front of Shin's eyes. It will be epic if Shin crits Noah right away.
@WarrenKT good job, Louise and Pent'll totally gonna beat his crappy ass
Little plotwist
Matthew. my best unit in the game. why does he have such a sad story.
Nox
Matthew is the Best Unit. His Speed rivals that of Lyn but his strength,however, is lacking.
Nox I think op meant Favorite. Matthew certainly is my Fav FE7 character, that‘s for sure.
Benington
Matthew is a bit of useful in Fire Emblem Elibian Nights.
Nox Harken and Nino, haha
Nox Matthew can become an assassin himself when ranked up. I've seen Jaffar have a 42 % crit chance, how is he not one of the best?
imagine after Jaffar says "its over" and a sub screen appears saying "kill Mathew?" That would be hilarious
would you get boots if you do?
The Sailor Inkvader son of a bitch
The Sailor Inkvader Lmao, I laughed way harder than I should have. Great.
Kay!!! I don’t get that reference :/
@@themadpro in fire emblem conquest you get a choice in chapter 16 to kill or spare shura. If you spare him he joins you but if you choose to kill him then you steal his boots.
"The girl's safe. I never touched her."
Wow.
9 years late, but what about it?
@@derpi3438 for real, whats so wow about it? Kinda knew matthew was bluffing
I think it's about the "out of context value, like "what kind of touched are we talking about lmao"
Matthew: "I will kill you."
Jaffar."..."
Matthew:"You will pay."
Jaffar:"..."
Matthew:"Be afraid!!!"
Jaffar:"..."
Matthew:"I love Nino."
Jaffar: "Say what?"
Matthew dies with one strike.
@Taramafor Haikido it's one sided. Matthew is just a secret admirer. Hence Jaffar killed him
Imagine being Matthew, though. So purely and impossibly outclassed by Jaffar in combat that he has to resort to threatening an innocent girl just to have a chance.
Mathew went Gon mode
Pretending to threaten at least
In my playthrough. Matthew became a slightly better Assassin than Jaffar in terms if stats, it was... surprising. If I had the chance of having them clash I would of had them do so.
@@gamechanger8908 Isn't there a mode in the game that lets you have units fight each other? I vaguely remember something like that
@@Nebularban There is
FeH release Leila
Jaffar and Leila reached S Support
Matthew: ......
Matthew and Serra reached S support
Matthew: *internal screaming*
I've been thinking about this support earlier. They were one of my favourite parts of FE7. I like how the last thing Leila said was Matthew, then in this support when Matthew thought he was going to die (and also if he does actually die) he says "Leila". Really enjoyed their conversations in the Forging Bonds event of Heroes.
Why don't we have support convos like that anymore? I miss those.
Ikarus568 Fates Got you Covered Bud, Revelations Oboro's and Beruka's support... Beruka did not kill Oboro's Parents, but her master did and her master got killed by Beruka, Oboro wanted to Avenge her parents and Thinks the only way to avenge them is Killing Beruka now... but refuses because what is the point?, It's just bloody murder, Assasins job is to kill, not of their attentions, but be the force. The Real Murderers are those that Hire the assasins, those that pull the trigger, not the gun itself. Yes, assasins are violent, but they will always saldy exist
Blake Blast don't forget awakening when sayri fights yenfai, she asks why he says nothing yet watched his parents and village get burned and did nothing, why didn't he fight the bad guys why did he turn against his sister and ylisse, then after he dies sayri says why did he hold back. In the end of the chapter we find out he's been keeping his mouth shut and obeying orders just to protect his sister he even kept quiet at death to keep her safe, it may be a villain but it was a good support and very sad to see the brother go through so much even seeing his village burn to keep his sister safe then dying not even telling her that he did all this for her he died to keep her safe
because now supports are only used to breed new soldiers for your army. The games got way darker then this.
I'm not even saying this out of distaste, but it's because everyone has to end up together. The supports we do get in a similar vain to these are same gender supports, like F!Robin and Aversa or Oboro and Beruka
@@brendancoulter5761 Yeah because it's not dark as hell for young boy to murder his entire house, including his father, when said father announced his intentions of forcing his step daughter to marry him and force her to bear him a child. Nothing dark about a little girl being held prisoner in a dark dungeon infested with rats, and the only comfort allowed is the screams of her siblings being tortured to death or insanity. Yeah the new games certainly aren't as fucked up as the old ones.
Matthew:did you know Leila?
jaffar:*starts sweating*
Also Jaffar: "Wait, he's a level 4 Thief and I'm a level 20 Assassin. I don't give a fuck."
Mathew: 🤬
Jaffar: 🗿...🗿
"..."
The man
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Oh also the cheerful music really goes well with this dialogue don't it?
time to s support jaffar and matthew in heroes
S support will be akward. I mean, Matthew talks about Leila being dead in Heroes, so Jaffar already killed her.
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@@benjaminborkowski12 Well. We got Leila now.
this reminds me of the support conversation in fates with beruka and oboro
Pyroctopus
*ExCuSE mE I ThInK yOU MeaN BeRUkA AnD SaIZO YoU CaSUal*
"Support"
Kinda pathetic to see Matthew like that...
But Jaffar would destroy him.
Search the video "Matthew soloing the fire dragon".
Raymond Shields with a bunch of elixirs.
C'mon.. who wouldn't be mad if your Fiance gets killed and the killer is in front of you. I mean when i was a child i planned to stab my neighbor's cat for eating by pet fish.. imagine in adulthood then?
@@butteredsalmonella AHAHAHAHAH WTF dude AHAHAHAHAH
Matthew is the only one who had a reasonable reaction to jaffar joining the team. Him and Hector.
It feels like nothing was really accomplished here, just Matthew and Jaffar "fighting" for 3 supports
Matthew got closure and Jaffar revealed his only weakness.
I would be just as pissed off if someone killed my gf tho!
But i doubt he would over react this much if it were Serra who got killed lol
i believe he would once you got the two to A rank...
- Jaffar... Are you the one who killed Serra?
- ...Yes.
- BRO!
@@SethJV "BRO.... THANK YOU"
@@SethJV”I will look the other way. Hell, I can help cover it up.”
Jaffar lived for nothing else. Until Nino gave him a reason too. Perhaps it's because of Nino that he didn't kill Matthew when he could have.
1:14
Ah, the reference
Too bad assassians kinda suck in Fe7. Matthew, Legault, and Jaffar are all really interesting characters.
Matthew and Legault are actually really good because thieves are so important in FE7, even thogh their combat is pretty trash
right in the feels!
My favourite support in the whole series
You still get a bonus somehow for C and B...
Is it bad that I used Matthew more as my assasin than Jaffar.
The only time I used Jaffar to for getting him to A rank support with Nino.
No, Jaffar is really bad because he joins extremely late. His stats are pretty good, but his class is trash, and Matthew has tons of utility before Jaffar even first appears
If you intented to use Thief/Assassin as combat units then of course Matthew is a better choice. Wind affinity makes up what assassins generally lack: attack. It is just assassin is crap and people only deploy one to kill off generic enemies as it takes heavy RNG for assassin to consistently kill bosses with silencer. In this scenario it is better off just use Jaffar as he requires no investments and leave the boss fights to contenders like Eliwood, Hector, Raven, Pent.
@@abc2390986 yeah there's no debate with that
i love my boi Matthew tho so i always spend too much of my time RNG abusing just to get him the right level ups
This, uh... this explains the bounty hunters...
I guess Hector posted a bounty on his head..
The bounty hunters are fans of Matthew.
well we can assume that Jaffar killed a lot more and has even destroyed some families before he joins your army
Jaffar was raised by Nergal so before Nergal created the three morphs Ephidel, Sonia and Limstella, he didn't even have the help of the Black Fang back then because Sonia is the one he sent to secretly manipulate the Black Fang
so before control of the Black Fang through Sonia, Nergal probably had Jaffar do alot of killing in order to get the required quintessence just to create Sonia. and then after that Sonia seduced Brendan (ok but really, i'm still in disbelief... leader of the biggest assassin company in all of Elibe, and he falls to some gorgeous tits? what an embarrassing example...) and then the Black Fang did most of the work for them
the number of innocents Jaffar has killed probably even rivals the total number of kills the entire Black Fang has ever made
Yeah he could, if Jaffar surrendered because Matthew really did have Nino captured.
So,.. how does this make them fight better side by side? LOL
I bet it's like "I better show this kid how good I am so he knows not to mess with me ever again" or something like that. Instead of doing better via motivation, it's all pure spite.
@@JoelTheOne
Lol.. this comment is 4 years ago and still I’m clueless…😂
For Matthew, I think it strengthens his will to survive. Like "I can't die here, not when that bastards right there! I will avenge Leila!"
For Jaffar, I have no better term than "Atonement brain".
Jaffar won't allow himself to die just yet. He still has to protect Nino and atone for his crimes. Matthews is a living reminder of how many lives he messed up under Nergal and so he's motivated to keep living.
(Maybe I'm wrong but IDC, I think it makes sense.)
@@Jyuratodus_Enjoyer
Been 6 years now… looking at this again, maybe hatred fuels the fire.. and then at the end, you have closure? 🤔 lol
Nostalgic…
I collected all support conversations for 300 hours.
Matthew, the Takumi of FE7.
"Scum..."
Marcus H. Pretty sure that would make Takumi the Matthew of Fates 👍
Friggin America What's imports is the undying angst the two share, would they be best friends or worst enemies?
*NO BETRAYAL NO TAKUMI SIMPLE*
Mathew could never kill Jafar
But he was the killer of Leila. Why do they have a support
Paulo Bakil
So they're story could be told
I beg to differ. Matthew is so much more badass...
I just pulled Leila plus attack she’s crazy good fire emblem hero’s
compensation for getting axed within the first few hours of Blazing Blade
I really wish we had the opportunity to fight Jaffar in-game. I wanted so desperately for Matthew to kill him -- to avenge Leila, even if it meant I'd lose out on a reward. We never got that chance...I'm...unsatisfied with this.
Couldn't you have an enemy with a berserk staff attack Matthew and have Jaffar as the only person nearby, thus allowing Matthew to attack Jaffar?
@@Teknanam At that point, it's not really Matthew doing it -- just a brainwashed husk
@@TwoHeadedMeerkat
True. Though I do wonder how important it was to Matthew that Jaffar dies vs. Matthew personally killing Jaffar.
So you can play jaffar... damn if only i knew. Hes so op xd.
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Wait… how does this support chain work if Nino dies before they get A rank…?
She doesn’t die. She retreats if her HP hits zero in combat. In theory it still could happen.
@@hiphopstrongman Wait, really? WEIRD, I could have sworn I remembered her being all scared and confused and then dying in her death quote. Odd.
@@AdeptArcanist She is, but she still lives.
Nino only dies if you kill her on purpus ore you want to go on with out retrying
@@AdeptArcanist Yeah she can't die because she has kids in FE6, it's a nice little detail actually.
I agree.
Why did they make winds on the plains play during this support
it's so out of place
Matthew threatens to kill Jaffar!
SUPPORT LEVEL C OBTAINED
I like the supports overall, but they are super toxic.
Nothing personal, kid.
Doesn’t the A support completely not work if Nino is dead?
If memory serves correctly, she actually isn't killed, she just retreats. After all, like Bartre, she has to be alive for Fe6, as Nino would go on to be the mother of Lugh and Raigh.
@@sauce4279They forgot to give Rebecca (wolt's mom) the same treatment lmao
@matcraizy Lol.
I mean, the idea is very good, but is as rushed as all those supports in the older entries. They've really evolved.
ah and i thought Matthew and Jaffar would make a cute couple
matcraizy '-'
matcraizy I'd ship it
Only 16B?? Matthew was one of my favourite units and he could easily be stronger than Jaffar if you train him out lol
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Jaffar is using logic
Roy LS
Jaffar is guilty and he needs to pay.
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Episode 5 Chapter 1 *A Rises of black the fangs Arc*
0:56
*New Quest* : *Keep your Hands safe!*
Since nino his Step Family is Sonia Moving away from Black fang again. New kid, old times is most of the times. Then Brendan Engages with a departures of Revenge forever. He ordered save her Isadora and others. The prisoners several of lord nergal. Those are being worst day ever got be cursed of ra seru kai.
*Beat this Brendan 0/1*
*Defeat the Sonia 0/1*
I always let Jaffar die. Since i cant really attack him, it is my way of getting revenge for Leila. I never recruit him. It pisses me off a little when he escapes anyway but there is nothing i can do about it
But... Nino... doesn't she deserve some closure on her real parents? Cause she'll never discover the truth about them if Jaffar isn't recruited. Nor will she ever know what happened to her father figure who led the Black Fang. Also I don't think in any way Jaffar is truly capable of dying as his and Nino's kids are in the next game. He kinda gets a pass because his kids are required.
@@leoncoben6983 He kinda dies anyways because he's implied to be dead by FE6
Also... Matthew is a better Assassin, if you invest on him.
Lmfao
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