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I worked for the NYC schools as a tradesman from 1989-2015. In the early 90s the city schools still burned coal for heat and hot water. By the late 90s into the 2000s mostly all city schools were converted to oil and gas. Prior to the conversion each school had firemen that would shovel and monitor the coal fired boilers on a day and night basis. I remember seeing the loads of coal being delivered and stored in coal bunkers and the spent ash being disposed of in those heavy duty ash cans. Great story on the history of Corona park thanks for sharing.
My childhood friend got a job in the school system as an assistant to a superintendent. I remember going with him to a school that still had coal boilers. They were huge. So cool.
Glad you mentioned F. Scott F.’s Great Gatsby. My dad recalled the Ashland’s, describing them poeticly. Hindu Lord Shiva is often described as dwelling in ash heaps
I remember my grandparents, who lived in an old coal mining town, calling such metal containers “ash cans.” I never gave this much thought as a child because garbage cans (all of them metal at the time) and garbage collection was kind of a new thing, or at least for us since we still had a concrete incinerator and burned our trash every few days. Thanks for the too long delayed clarification.
I remember the supers of the apartment building taking out trash cans filled with furnaces ashes...This was in Queens. Great Stories,I remember my grandfather telling the stories about Flushing meadows past.
Putting the ash aside, The still photo at 15:54 is the Long Island RR to the left is the Whitestone branch and further down to the right is the Flushing Central RR both long gone. The center track is still in use today. work around that park for years and lots of story's of interest in that area😊
I have a much smaller one of these ash dumps in my town. Bout 16 acres and and river front property because of course they picked that. Today its capped and in heavy use today. They lease the land to a organic recycling company so it typically has 30000 yards of mulch and wood chips 30-50000 yards of leaves and grassed composting into top soil and they have a lot of top soil. As a landscaper I go there often the place is still a hell on earth but necessary.
Yes. Growing up in Minneapolis in the '50's, EVERY house had a trashcan (a.k.a. 'burn barrel's) out back where we dumped daily house trash, grass clippings, and other burnable stuff and then burned it all on Saturdays.
@7:20 - that may have been the smoothest transition to date, across all the folks I follow. You added a data point to the story in order to blend into the sponsor. Nicely done sir!
As long as it's just pure ash, not mixed with toxic chemicals and/or heavy metals, it would be beneficial to keep it around under ground. The same way a forest fire isn't the end of the forest, it's a thriving new beginning as the ash works as a fertilizer for new growth. Sure, it takes (in human lifespan scale) a long time for a forest to regrow, but a forest that hasn't seen fire in a long long time is more than likely very sick and slowly dying from lack of nutrients in the ground. Also, after a forest fire has raged, all lakes that have had ash fallen into them become crystal clear and smothering bacteria and algae like plants will be severely diminished, allowing for a much higher diversity in plant life in the water. Ash binds small particulates in the water and makes it sink to the bottom.
The Fresh Kills Landfall in Staten Island is also in the process of becoming a giant park today ,going from the world's largest Landfill to one of the largest parks in NYC, it once was a prestine salt water marsh with one of the best & most productive clamming spots on the east coast, it was technically a illegal dump as the City of New York failed to get the legal permission to do so originally
The building where I grew up in NYC had a coal boiler, and I remember the ash cans. Also the school where I taught in the '60's to '70's ran on coal. The building was 100 years old.
I still remember reading the description of the dump in Gatsby. It stayed with me. I've visited the park a few times over the years since, and its so hard to believe its the same place.
My father was born in 1917 and he sometimes used the terms "ash heap" and "ash can" in conversation, even though neither was something that was still in existence during my lifetime.
I grew up in this area flushing Medow's park & connecting willow lake park were our stomping grounds back in the late 60's & 70's Park drive east area.
Why do we say, 'can fill up x many Olympic swimming pools?' How many people earth wide have seen an Olympic swimming pool? Wouldn't it be more relevant to say, 'can fill up x many 40 foot containers?' Everybody on the planet has seen a 40 foot container. Just to think about.
@gustavgnoettgen well if you can watch you tube you can very easily watch it see it there. Tbh I find it strange ppl don't know, that is the standard size public pool here
There's plenty of documentation about the site and the reclamation / cleanup. "Flushing Meadows - Corona Park Studio Report". Drainage installed, topsoil "created" from bay mud.
This is the area where The City (Robert Moses), wanted the force the Brooklyn Dodgers to move to, rather than the Downtown Brooklyn location where the Dodgers wanted to build a privately funded domed stadium, near the present day Barclays Center. Moses and the City for decades, denied The Dodgers the downtown Brooklyn location, eventually forcing them to move.
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Maybe the next video can feature other ash monofills that have become great places: the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens and JFK airport are two good examples.
*Industries might have a polution problem, but don't forget that industry produces for the people...If people were producing their needs on their own, the polution would be even worst !*
To say nothing about the GIANT Crocagators that used to hide in tunnels they dug in the ash heaps and the dozens and dozens of ppl who "disappeared" over the years in and around that dump.
Inadequate Planning? How much can all of these things be recycled? How much can anything that is manufactured to be guaranteed easier to recycle? How can our Natural Resources be perpetually honored with all necessary responsible management?
Couldn’t lots of rare earth metals be within the ash? Currently China is the world leader in rare earth metals since they harvest at lot from coal ash.
Depending on how WELL you burn it; anthracite has a much higher ignition temperature than bituminous, and needs a good, strong WOOD FIRE to get the initial coal burning. Proper air supply, such as underfire and override air, plus draft control, will produce no visible smoke.
Yeah instead of improving scrubbing and disposal while innovating ways to be more green its totally better to completely be out of a job and not use a natural resource that is cheap and abundant.
There IS such a thing as the Karrick Low Temperature Carbonization process, where a gas richer than natural gas, as well as gasoline, fuel oils, and even a smokeless char can be produced. Google it!
@@AdmiralJT Scrubbing cannot remove carbon dioxide economically, you don't know what you're talking about. What you just suggested would be more expensive than renewables. Also, I've actually been to a coal plant and tested the emissions there, and it's not fucking pleasant near the business end when the SO2 hits you in the face.
Wow, thanks, never knew of this but know such things were not rare back then. How horrific we are to ourselves and to the land/environment!! Can't imagine what humungous heaps the current population would have accumulated. OR maybe too many would have had respiratory problems and could not live or live with it. Simply NOT sustainable!
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I worked for the NYC schools as a tradesman from 1989-2015. In the early 90s the city schools still burned coal for heat and hot water. By the late 90s into the 2000s mostly all city schools were converted to oil and gas. Prior to the conversion each school had firemen that would shovel and monitor the coal fired boilers on a day and night basis. I remember seeing the loads of coal being delivered and stored in coal bunkers and the spent ash being disposed of in those heavy duty ash cans. Great story on the history of Corona park thanks for sharing.
My childhood friend got a job in the school system as an assistant to a superintendent. I remember going with him to a school that still had coal boilers. They were huge. So cool.
Glad you mentioned F. Scott F.’s Great Gatsby. My dad recalled the Ashland’s, describing them poeticly. Hindu Lord Shiva is often described as dwelling in ash heaps
I remember my grandparents, who lived in an old coal mining town, calling such metal containers “ash cans.” I never gave this much thought as a child because garbage cans (all of them metal at the time) and garbage collection was kind of a new thing, or at least for us since we still had a concrete incinerator and burned our trash every few days. Thanks for the too long delayed clarification.
I remember the supers of the apartment building taking out trash cans filled with furnaces ashes...This was in Queens. Great Stories,I remember my grandfather telling the stories about Flushing meadows past.
I grew up in the Bronx, and the boiler ran on coal.
Our Queens house was modern. Built in 1939, it was heated with fuel oil. 😎
Putting the ash aside, The still photo at 15:54 is the Long Island RR to the left is the Whitestone branch and further down to the right is the Flushing Central RR both long gone. The center track is still in use today. work around that park for years and lots of story's of interest in that area😊
I have a much smaller one of these ash dumps in my town. Bout 16 acres and and river front property because of course they picked that. Today its capped and in heavy use today. They lease the land to a organic recycling company so it typically has 30000 yards of mulch and wood chips 30-50000 yards of leaves and grassed composting into top soil and they have a lot of top soil. As a landscaper I go there often the place is still a hell on earth but necessary.
hello from the ash dump i mean flushing nyc. where im watching this. its great to learn about where you live. thanks
Is this why trashcans are also called ashcans?
Sounds right!
Ashcans are also known as large powerful firecrackers 🧨 💥 aka M80's & Blockbusters
Yes. Growing up in Minneapolis in the '50's, EVERY house had a trashcan (a.k.a. 'burn barrel's) out back where we dumped daily house trash, grass clippings, and other burnable stuff and then burned it all on Saturdays.
@@kenjohnson8510, I still use a good old burn barrel 🛢 🔥 😉
You can't pronounce trashcan without saying ashcan, so mayby it's just people being lazy and smart.
@7:20 - that may have been the smoothest transition to date, across all the folks I follow. You added a data point to the story in order to blend into the sponsor. Nicely done sir!
We also now use ash to make certain type cement and asphalt
So then it would be...ash-phalt.😏😎
As long as it's just pure ash, not mixed with toxic chemicals and/or heavy metals, it would be beneficial to keep it around under ground.
The same way a forest fire isn't the end of the forest, it's a thriving new beginning as the ash works as a fertilizer for new growth.
Sure, it takes (in human lifespan scale) a long time for a forest to regrow, but a forest that hasn't seen fire in a long long time is more than likely very sick and slowly dying from lack of nutrients in the ground.
Also, after a forest fire has raged, all lakes that have had ash fallen into them become crystal clear and smothering bacteria and algae like plants will be severely diminished, allowing for a much higher diversity in plant life in the water.
Ash binds small particulates in the water and makes it sink to the bottom.
@@RealCadde ash can be slightly above average background radioactivity... Eg can have the problems of granite..
The Fresh Kills Landfall in Staten Island is also in the process of becoming a giant park today ,going from the world's largest Landfill to one of the largest parks in NYC, it once was a prestine salt water marsh with one of the best & most productive clamming spots on the east coast, it was technically a illegal dump as the City of New York failed to get the legal permission to do so originally
However, due to its geological instability, nothing of significance can be constructed there.
Who would the government ask.... It's self of course and it gave it's self permission
The building where I grew up in NYC had a coal boiler, and I remember the ash cans. Also the school where I taught in the '60's to '70's ran on coal. The building was 100 years old.
I still remember reading the description of the dump in Gatsby. It stayed with me. I've visited the park a few times over the years since, and its so hard to believe its the same place.
Interesting video, here in Toronto, We still used incinerators up until I think 1987!
And then what happened?!
Gives some great context to "the valley of ashes between West Egg and Manhattan" referenced in the Great Gatsby
I was gunna say that :)
11:09 ,went from Flowing water 💧to basically Flushing the toilet 🚽& a dump 💩
A fascinating story, thank you!
Another great and interesting story Ryan. Thanks
My father was born in 1917 and he sometimes used the terms "ash heap" and "ash can" in conversation, even though neither was something that was still in existence during my lifetime.
It's a retronym, a word indicating a lost technology. Like saying "I'll dial you" when phones no longer have dials.
Great content, very informative
Glad you think so!
I grew up in this area flushing Medow's park & connecting willow lake park were our stomping grounds back in the late 60's & 70's Park drive east area.
3:24 , what is up with that car on the right? Is it getting towed?
Many apartment buildings had in house incinerators.
Will Cnty IL had a humongous ash pile near Plainfield mysteriously disappear also!🤔
Another great video in the books🤟
I fondly remember my uncle who tended fires at the local mill. He was beloved by all until the fateful day he fell in and made an ash of himself.
So, with the closure of the dump, what did NY do? Did NY change from coal to oil? Even so, what did they do with their waste?
No. Still burnt a lot of coal. But now they loaded all the waste on barges and dumped it in the ocean
So, could this be why a lot of sulo bins and garbage cans used to ( and often still do) have “no hot coals or ashes” on the lids?
I confused. I thought ash after burning did not pose any bacterial or food for rats. No if you’re referring to raw garbage, that’s different.
I don't remember anyone doing a story on the once Smoky and Smoldering New Jersey Meadowlands! Of which New Yorkers complained about for decades.
I think someone famous (ashes) was spread across one of the end zone, I think his first name was Al (not ai) LOL...
The picture at 11:00 is of the 1964 World's Fair, not the 1939.
U should do a video on the old PPG Lime Lakes in Barberton Ohio
Where do you think the term "Cinder Block" comes from?
Why do we say, 'can fill up x many Olympic swimming pools?' How many people earth wide have seen an Olympic swimming pool? Wouldn't it be more relevant to say, 'can fill up x many 40 foot containers?' Everybody on the planet has seen a 40 foot container. Just to think about.
What's a "foot", asks the non-American. 😊
@@darryljorden9177
12 inches, or 30.5cm
Pretty sure anyone that knows what a 40 footer is has seen the Olympics on TV or the internet.
@@davidleonard1813 I also have no idea how big those pools are, I rarely see the whole pool. I rarely watch sports events to begin with.
@gustavgnoettgen well if you can watch you tube you can very easily watch it see it there. Tbh I find it strange ppl don't know, that is the standard size public pool here
At last I know why back in 1960s Detroit the old folks called garbage cans 'ash cans'. Thanks 👍
There's plenty of documentation about the site and the reclamation / cleanup. "Flushing Meadows - Corona Park Studio Report". Drainage installed, topsoil "created" from bay mud.
Should have added that after it was closed all of that waste STILL being produced was now dumped in the ocean instead
This is the area where The City (Robert Moses), wanted the force the Brooklyn Dodgers to move to, rather than the Downtown Brooklyn location where the Dodgers wanted to build a privately funded domed stadium, near the present day Barclays Center. Moses and the City for decades, denied The Dodgers the downtown Brooklyn location, eventually forcing them to move.
Damn didnt expect how itll look today
You're so cute. I'm glad you show more of yourself in these videos.
😊 thank you
R.I.P. Myrtle Wilson
🎵Love is blindness
I don't wanna see
Won't you wrap the night
Around me?
Oh my heart
Love is blindness
In a parked car
In a crowded street
You see your love
Made complete
Thread is ripping
The knot is slipping
Love is blindness🎶
Great! Thanks
You're welcome!
the latest "Great Gatsby" movie protrayed the ash dump pretty well I thought.
Maybe the next video can feature other ash monofills that have become great places: the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens and JFK airport are two good examples.
10:44 I’m almost positive that the man in that picture was Lorne Michaels (SNL creator)
*Industries might have a polution problem, but don't forget that industry produces for the people...If people were producing their needs on their own, the polution would be even worst !*
Not the first time a ballpark was built on the site of a dump in New York
You said back then they didn't relocate landfills they don't do it today either 😂😂😂😂
Now the location of Arthur Ashe Stadium.
Great Gatsby had us knowing bout this since 5th grade
To say nothing about the GIANT Crocagators that used to hide in tunnels they dug in the ash heaps and the dozens and dozens of ppl who "disappeared" over the years in and around that dump.
My plastic robocans say 'no hot ashes" on them.
that's pretty standard around the world though. ashes put an end to many plastic bins until we worked it out.
We had coal heat when I was a kid.Everyone had a driveway made of ashes
Ash is a good furtallizer for the plants
Ryan consistently has the best segues on TH-cam
Inadequate Planning?
How much can all of these things be recycled?
How much can anything that is manufactured to be guaranteed easier to recycle?
How can our Natural Resources be perpetually honored with all necessary responsible management?
These kinds of dumps are nothing but huge ash holes.
@2:22 TH-cam is a giant ash dump.
Couldn’t lots of rare earth metals be within the ash? Currently China is the world leader in rare earth metals since they harvest at lot from coal ash.
Lots of mercury as well…
Coal deposits carry a lot of things that later show up in the ash.
😃
What’s up with the fake photo at 3:30
Just looks colorized to me
And here I thought Linus Sebastian was the king of the segways to sponsors lol
Hmmmmm I wonder is anything "nasty" leaches up during heavy rains ???
The Ash they were using in their fires they used in their Gardens
beauty comes from ugly. great video 2x👍
Ironically the site of Arthur Ashe stadium......
Wait, wait, wait. You mentioned human remains and just keep going? We're not going to circle back to wth that meant?
It means dead people were sometimes burnt and tossed with the garbage. 😮
"Bring out yer dead!" .
@@1puppetbike Out of convenience or cover up?
There musta been ash dumps ib every large city in the world ? Dead horses and dried street manur was also a problem
What kind of disease could survive in burning ash?
Did we not pay attention? Clearly said that people started sending ALL household waste and even some bodies.
There is more than ash buried there..😊
9:42 So…Rodents of Unusual Size?
"Turn of the century" no longer means what you think it means :)
Luckily ash is a great fertilizer.
He called f Scott Fitzgerald Francis Scott key
The author's full name is Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald.
Flushing Park and 2 World's Fairs. Thank you Robert Moses.
Ash can contain gold, PGE, and rare earth elements. Hmm.
Ahhh... the Mets play on an Ash Dump. Makes sense.
NYC was infinitely cleaner then than it is today.
It could be cubed and dumped in the deep ocean.
From ash to Arthur Ashe
Something doesn’t jive, wasn’t the 1939 Worlds Fair also in Flushing Corona
The 1939 and 1964 fairs were both held at the same location.
Ash as a problem. But then you had asbestos?
Sounds like the ash problem was cleaned up but asbestos still plagues our society and will for a long time. It was literally in everything
NYC burned anthracite coal. Anthracite when burned does not give off particulates
Depending on how WELL you burn it; anthracite has a much higher ignition temperature than bituminous, and needs a good, strong WOOD FIRE to get the initial coal burning. Proper air supply, such as underfire and override air, plus draft control, will produce no visible smoke.
And if there is a one in a life time massive rain and flooding....
That packed down ash will be washed away.
Outcome,...a total nightmare.
2:20. Society is so messed up we have to blur a drawing of cavewoman boobs.
Getting your ahes hauled, more than one meaning gentalmen !
Environmental rules were lax? Non existent would have been more descriptive of the times lol
Now it's home to the Mets!
In that time there was plenty of jobs.
Coal man
Remember kids, it's not a war on coal, it's coal's war on life.
Yeah instead of improving scrubbing and disposal while innovating ways to be more green its totally better to completely be out of a job and not use a natural resource that is cheap and abundant.
There IS such a thing as the Karrick Low Temperature Carbonization process, where a gas richer than natural gas, as well as gasoline, fuel oils, and even a smokeless char can be produced. Google it!
@@AdmiralJT Scrubbing cannot remove carbon dioxide economically, you don't know what you're talking about. What you just suggested would be more expensive than renewables. Also, I've actually been to a coal plant and tested the emissions there, and it's not fucking pleasant near the business end when the SO2 hits you in the face.
Wow, thanks, never knew of this but know such things were not rare back then. How horrific we are to ourselves and to the land/environment!! Can't imagine what humungous heaps the current population would have accumulated. OR maybe too many would have had respiratory problems and could not live or live with it. Simply NOT sustainable!
New York is the dump
And where YOU live is supposed to be better?!
I am like number 847
Drawn out and too long. Great subject, but way too long. Why so long?
Watch the movie my man Godfrey, William Powell it literally opens making references to ash piles , then later repurposed ash piles