@@yoyosan999 I do wish Apple were compelled to release some amount of technical documentation on their hardware to help the creation of Linux drivers (just like how electronics used to be distributed with schematics a few decades ago) - EU I hope you're listening 👀
According to u/Capta1nT0ad from Reddit: As for the occasional magenta/purple flash, that’s the colour for failed renders on these machines, instead of black or transparent on most other platforms. It just means that the render failed. On 8G machines, this will often happen in Firefox when lots of tabs are open as because of the unified VRAM system there is not enough VRAM to render. These issues will most likely be fixed when the memory management of the GPU driver improves, but in the meantime the problem gets a lot better if you enable the ‘tabs.unloadOnLowMemory’ flag in Firefox’s about:config.
without hardware acceleration for video then yeah, battery life is going to be massively compromised if you play/stream video impossible to bridge the gap until hardware acceleration is supported
8GB absolutely is sufficient for light usage. I run a 4GB Raspberri Pi for some things, including some LLM models... and Chromebooks come with 4GB and (while sure, not powerhouses) handle on-the-go documents and browsing with ease. The real issue is the Apple pricetag for the 8GB model.
@@yoyosan999 Agreed. I only get MacBooks second hand, so I actually got a pretty good deal - an almost unused, spotless M1 Air with 99% battery for ~$430. One interesting benefit of the 8GB models is that people using them are being gaslit into thinking that they are horrible machines, so they offload them at low prices to help purchase an upgrade. The higher RAM configs are MUCH harder to find for decent second-hand prices.
@@lumeronswift If I'm ever going to buy a macbook second hand, I will come to the seller, open up the laptop before their eyes, install smartctl and check how dead the non-replacable SSD is. The battery may be fine with 95 or 90% health, but the SSD could very well be one foot in the grave because somebody didn't quite care enough (especially the 256GB models).
@@yoyosan999 when a company is in the same position as Apple, it can charge anything it wants and still have it sell very well :/ They have established a "luxury tech" brand, for whatever that means. Its the same kind of thing you see with designer brands like Gucci or Louis Vuitton. It's unfortunate they've gone this direction especially since a lot of their things are really well made hardware wise.
I think you answered your own question about battery life: no video hardware acceleration. Hence the drop in battery life. Also: standby is not the same as in MacOS. All in all I really cannot see any reason to run Linux on any recent Apple hardware. On the Intel Macs for sure (especially if you dont get updates anymore) but on m1/2/3 ? I dont see the use case? Great video though!
The more it is used now by people the faster issues can be shaken out so when it goes end-of-support by Apple you can re-purpose it instead of tossing it in a drawer (or worse, a landfill).
Great video! Not going to change yet, but it might be a great option when Apple doesn’t support the M1/M2 anymore. I am confident the project will continue to go better and better. Just thinking about what the developers had to go through to make this possible is mind blowing 🤯.
I think that's because they didn't fully optimize the VDA codec, which causes it to consume way more battery than macOS did. If Apple released all of the source codes, I think they would do better.
Excellent video! I thoroughly enjoyed it. I do have a question though. Have you ever encountered a strange behavior in Plasma where, upon logging in, the wallpaper enlarges for about a second before returning to its normal size? Furthermore, do you observe a slight blurriness affecting the KDE Plasma taskbar, application launcher icons, and wallpaper until you hover your mouse cursor over them after the wallpaper issue? This has been my most notable frustration with Asahi Linux thus far.
I dunno man. I close my laptop and then reopen it the next day and it's 100% dead..... sometimes it bugs out and just doesn't sleep. not sure why and this is on macos
You wouldn't need to. It's a dualboot installation so you get to keep macos untouched. You just need to shrink the partition of macos to make space for the Linux os.
Can I buy an old mac, install asahi and it runs faster than the newer IOS? This is the ultimate question. I suspect apple has a built in animation delay opening application, menus etc, this delay increases by nano seconds everyday. If you ask in the apple forums about this. you get attacked.
Thanks for the video! Concerning battery life, have you tried installing something like powertop or tlp? Concerning swap, doesn't Fedora come with zram already configured?
I haven't tried TLP or Powertop yet. Aren't those supposed to be working with Intel and AMD chips only? As for the swap usage, I did notice that Fedora tends to use swap more frequently than macOS. I am not sure about the zram situation though.
Thank you very much for this fantastic video! Just one question: does the microphone work? On the project's website, they mention that the microphone does not work..
@@yoyosan999 I have an external SSD. Could you please make a video on "How to install Asahi Linux on external SSD" as limited memory is a problem of most of the Mac user....🙏🙏🙏
@ankansaha3260 maybe I wasn't clear but it is now not possible to install Asahi Linux on any external storage. Sorry about that. Maybe in the future the developers will figure out how to do that.
i'm using macbook m1, is it safe to transition from Mac OS into Linux as a whole? i'm planning to only use Linux with external monitor does it work? thank you for making the video
Hi thanks for watching! If you are using an M1 MacBook Air then there is no way to connect to an external monitor yet. Other than that the Linux experience is quite good already.
@@yoyosan999 That's true on MB Air but I use dual external monitors with my MBPro M1 and it works fantastic. They are USB - C to Display Adapter connections cables, I just plug directly into my USB C ports and to my monitors. As far as this working with Asahi on M1 I'm not sure about that. I use Arch in Parallels VM on my MBP M1 and Arch is SUPER fast in the VM. Everything works so well in Arch in the VM I'm just amazed by Arch. But, as far as this dual-boot setup, I'm not surprised to see this distro working so well. I'm new to Linux (experienced dev C/C++ on Win32 and Mac and over past year started teaching myself Linux bc I have to ship some software on Linux) and after learning on Ubuntu I decided to try Arch in a VM. And, it is SO FREAKING FAST and totally stable and honestly it's beautiful with KDE. So, the reason I found this video is bc once I truly am competent with Linux I will def try this dual-boot with Asahi (which I understand is a fork of Arch) bc I just like Arch so much... Anyway, as far as monitor support goes on this MBPro M1 it's just flawless. I keep my laptop closed all day, connected to power and do s/w dev all day and it's been BY FAR the best machine I've ever used in every possible way. Even when I bought it I too wasn't 100% sure it would work the way I wanted with the laptop closed and supporting new ultrawide monitors / resolution / etc... It's flawless... Good luck!
My Intel Macbook Air with linux is giving about the same battery backup as this Asahi Linux. My 2016 Macbook has same amount of RAM(8GB) as base M1 MBA, MBA with 16GB RAM are extremely expensive in India, they don't have any discounts on them. So I don't see any reason to upgrade to M1 Macbook Air.
@@yoyosan999 yeah agreed, but it's not the only factor either. The use case for older machines changes, I ran my old 2012 MacBook pro as a linux server for a few years there before selling it (raid 0 SSD and a ram upgrade made it pretty decent). Besides, if I lost battery life, but gained gaming, I wouldn't complain either.
battery life differences should be negligible once hardware acceleration for video is supported which might already be the case since hardware acceleration for linux just got added to chrominum - and all it's derivatives
Linux has come a long way and runs very well on M1. Did you expect everything to run flawlessly? Don't forget it's opensource and not a huge trillion dollar company like Apple doing the development.
please, do not include gaming into your next review. the choice of games and the fact that 23-30fps is "playbale" shows you have quite "nuanced" taste in games that is probably not shared by wider public
@@yoyosan999 Little things like that make me worry that it’ll only get more locked down by Apple as time goes on- idk if any Linux experience on Apple hardware will be as functional/useful as their native OS.
@@Rushil69420given enough time it will improve. The last time I checked in on this distro (I don’t have the hardware) it couldn’t do sound and was still missing a lot of features and that was back when The Linux Experiment was looking at it. That wasn’t that long ago and now speakers and headphone jack work. Linux (especially for Apple stuff) requires hobbyists to provide drivers and such. Considering that, it’s amazing.
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I'm excited for the future of Asahi Linux - I feel like the Macbook Pro range has the potential to be the best portable Linux device available
Agreed. The power efficiency is unbeatable.
@@yoyosan999 I do wish Apple were compelled to release some amount of technical documentation on their hardware to help the creation of Linux drivers (just like how electronics used to be distributed with schematics a few decades ago) - EU I hope you're listening 👀
Snapdragon X Elite is coming hope they work with open source community for h/w drivers and other software working on their platform.
ashahi linux is getting some real work done slowly but surely, waiting for that external monitor support to finally switch over!
Yeah the devs are doing amazing work!
According to u/Capta1nT0ad from Reddit:
As for the occasional magenta/purple flash, that’s the colour for failed renders on these machines, instead of black or transparent on most other platforms. It just means that the render failed. On 8G machines, this will often happen in Firefox when lots of tabs are open as because of the unified VRAM system there is not enough VRAM to render. These issues will most likely be fixed when the memory management of the GPU driver improves, but in the meantime the problem gets a lot better if you enable the ‘tabs.unloadOnLowMemory’ flag in Firefox’s about:config.
You could install auto cpu freq it helps battery life a lot
without hardware acceleration for video then yeah, battery life is going to be massively compromised if you play/stream video
impossible to bridge the gap until hardware acceleration is supported
8GB absolutely is sufficient for light usage. I run a 4GB Raspberri Pi for some things, including some LLM models... and Chromebooks come with 4GB and (while sure, not powerhouses) handle on-the-go documents and browsing with ease.
The real issue is the Apple pricetag for the 8GB model.
Exactly. For a $600 MacBook 8gb is fine. For $1199 it's a joke. And $200 to upgrade from 8gb to 16gb is just greed.
@@yoyosan999 Agreed. I only get MacBooks second hand, so I actually got a pretty good deal - an almost unused, spotless M1 Air with 99% battery for ~$430. One interesting benefit of the 8GB models is that people using them are being gaslit into thinking that they are horrible machines, so they offload them at low prices to help purchase an upgrade. The higher RAM configs are MUCH harder to find for decent second-hand prices.
@@lumeronswift If I'm ever going to buy a macbook second hand, I will come to the seller, open up the laptop before their eyes, install smartctl and check how dead the non-replacable SSD is. The battery may be fine with 95 or 90% health, but the SSD could very well be one foot in the grave because somebody didn't quite care enough (especially the 256GB models).
@@yoyosan999 when a company is in the same position as Apple, it can charge anything it wants and still have it sell very well :/ They have established a "luxury tech" brand, for whatever that means. Its the same kind of thing you see with designer brands like Gucci or Louis Vuitton. It's unfortunate they've gone this direction especially since a lot of their things are really well made hardware wise.
I think this is the first video I've put in my Linux and Mac playlists
Thank you for watching!
Props for getting a Bond villian to narrate the video.
Looks like I'll be installing Asahi, seems by what your saying to be mature enough now. Thanks for a great review!
Thanks for watching!
I think you answered your own question about battery life: no video hardware acceleration. Hence the drop in battery life. Also: standby is not the same as in MacOS. All in all I really cannot see any reason to run Linux on any recent Apple hardware. On the Intel Macs for sure (especially if you dont get updates anymore) but on m1/2/3 ? I dont see the use case? Great video though!
when the update obsolete? or for someone who is like a cybersecurity a linux device is better than mac.
The more it is used now by people the faster issues can be shaken out so when it goes end-of-support by Apple you can re-purpose it instead of tossing it in a drawer (or worse, a landfill).
Thank you!
It answered to all my questions!
Thanks for watching
After learning that battery life is worse on Linux, i am no longer interested. Thank you for this video, i appreciate it.
I am glad the video provides useful information to you!
Great video! Not going to change yet, but it might be a great option when Apple doesn’t support the M1/M2 anymore.
I am confident the project will continue to go better and better. Just thinking about what the developers had to go through to make this possible is mind blowing 🤯.
Thank you!
Same here. In a year or two this is going to be so good.
I think that's because they didn't fully optimize the VDA codec, which causes it to consume way more battery than macOS did. If Apple released all of the source codes, I think they would do better.
And Apple would never do that, unfortunately.
what is the VDA codec.... i searched for it and all i get is a Citrix driver info...?
Quick and simple review. Much appreciated! 👍🙏
Great to hear that it is getting better.
Excellent video! I thoroughly enjoyed it. I do have a question though. Have you ever encountered a strange behavior in Plasma where, upon logging in, the wallpaper enlarges for about a second before returning to its normal size? Furthermore, do you observe a slight blurriness affecting the KDE Plasma taskbar, application launcher icons, and wallpaper until you hover your mouse cursor over them after the wallpaper issue? This has been my most notable frustration with Asahi Linux thus far.
Thank you for your kind words. Really appreciate it. I haven't seen the issues you mentioned but maybe I was just not carefully looking.
I dunno man. I close my laptop and then reopen it the next day and it's 100% dead..... sometimes it bugs out and just doesn't sleep. not sure why and this is on macos
I would buy a macbook but literally everything is soldered on to the mobo
Image the ram being upgradable
rip yuzu
Sad week for emulation.
Interesting video thanks
thank you!
I wonder, if zram with aggressive swapping would be useful for this macbook
great video
Thank you
@@yoyosan999 you are welcome, I can be dull sometimes but I can recognize quality when I see it haha
@@Griggs08it got over 1000 views! Today is my happy day haha.
@@yoyosan999 I never doubted you broo
Thank you for a feedback
what is that vid you playing in PiP
You mean the music video? 松たか子 Matsu Takako - 夢のほとりで逢いましょう
Thank for this update!
I’d like to try but I’d be worried I would want to switch back and I don’t know how to download the Macos again
You wouldn't need to. It's a dualboot installation so you get to keep macos untouched. You just need to shrink the partition of macos to make space for the Linux os.
Can I buy an old mac, install asahi and it runs faster than the newer IOS? This is the ultimate question.
I suspect apple has a built in animation delay opening application, menus etc, this delay increases by nano seconds everyday. If you ask in the apple forums about this. you get attacked.
Haha. Then if you reinstall the OS it goes back to the normal speed ? They don't need to do this for programmed obsolescence
if by "old mac" you mean an M1 MacBook from 2020 then yes!
Thanks for the video! Concerning battery life, have you tried installing something like powertop or tlp? Concerning swap, doesn't Fedora come with zram already configured?
I haven't tried TLP or Powertop yet. Aren't those supposed to be working with Intel and AMD chips only? As for the swap usage, I did notice that Fedora tends to use swap more frequently than macOS. I am not sure about the zram situation though.
Thank you very much for this fantastic video! Just one question: does the microphone work? On the project's website, they mention that the microphone does not work..
Then it probably doesn’t
The mic doesn’t work unfortunately.
Do other GPU features, than the video en/decoding work? I mean, for example, Blender GPU rendering work?
I am not familiar with Blender but KDE's compositor works fine with hardware acceleration.
I’m quiet new to Linux , I need Linux what Linux should I use like server one or I don’t understand , tell me for UTM
For utm? You can just install as many as you want and try them all.
What about Wine?
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Did you compare the battery life to mac's low power or high power mode?
I haven't done any formal test but in my experience I think with Linux it's about 70-80% of the battery life you get on macos in similar situations.
What about gaming using Linux on M1 mac?
Currently gaming is not great because it's lacking Vulkan support but the devs are working on it so we will see major improvement in the near future.
There’s currently no Vulkan yet (so you can’t use Proton), but I hear they’re working on adding that right now
@badpiggies988 I believe the Vulkan driver will soon be available and I am very excited for that.
Does remmina work? Can you encrypt the Linux?
Remmina works but I haven't tried encryption, sorry about that.
Ipad pun ada yang guna m1. Boleh juga ke?
cool video! :)
thanks for watching!
I have not enough space in my macbook. So is it possible to dual boot Asahi Linux using external drive like portable ssd or pendrive??
Unfortunately I don't think that's possible. I would love to use a large external SSD solely for Asahi Linux though.
@@yoyosan999 I have an external SSD. Could you please make a video on "How to install Asahi Linux on external SSD" as limited memory is a problem of most of the Mac user....🙏🙏🙏
@ankansaha3260 maybe I wasn't clear but it is now not possible to install Asahi Linux on any external storage. Sorry about that. Maybe in the future the developers will figure out how to do that.
@@yoyosan999 "Install on external SSD" isn't supposed right now...??
@@yoyosan999 Hi, great video btw, can you give us updates? Did the situation improved so far? Thanks
Hey if USB C is not working on ASahi, so i can not charge my macbook ?
You can charge your MacBook via USB-C, as well as transfer data. Everything would work except video output.
@@yoyosan999 But on the website it saids something like "USB-C Display"s not working"
So what are the const using Ashai right now on my macbook pro ?
@elioncatak8275 The cost is that you can't use USB-C for video output.
i'm using macbook m1, is it safe to transition from Mac OS into Linux as a whole? i'm planning to only use Linux with external monitor does it work? thank you for making the video
Hi thanks for watching! If you are using an M1 MacBook Air then there is no way to connect to an external monitor yet. Other than that the Linux experience is quite good already.
@@yoyosan999 thank you for replying, but how about Macbook Pro 13inch M1? is it possible?
@depreza68 it seems that the pro model doesn't have a HDMI port either so not possible again 😞
@@yoyosan999 That's true on MB Air but I use dual external monitors with my MBPro M1 and it works fantastic. They are USB - C to Display Adapter connections cables, I just plug directly into my USB C ports and to my monitors. As far as this working with Asahi on M1 I'm not sure about that.
I use Arch in Parallels VM on my MBP M1 and Arch is SUPER fast in the VM. Everything works so well in Arch in the VM I'm just amazed by Arch. But, as far as this dual-boot setup, I'm not surprised to see this distro working so well. I'm new to Linux (experienced dev C/C++ on Win32 and Mac and over past year started teaching myself Linux bc I have to ship some software on Linux) and after learning on Ubuntu I decided to try Arch in a VM. And, it is SO FREAKING FAST and totally stable and honestly it's beautiful with KDE.
So, the reason I found this video is bc once I truly am competent with Linux I will def try this dual-boot with Asahi (which I understand is a fork of Arch) bc I just like Arch so much...
Anyway, as far as monitor support goes on this MBPro M1 it's just flawless. I keep my laptop closed all day, connected to power and do s/w dev all day and it's been BY FAR the best machine I've ever used in every possible way. Even when I bought it I too wasn't 100% sure it would work the way I wanted with the laptop closed and supporting new ultrawide monitors / resolution / etc... It's flawless... Good luck!
My Intel Macbook Air with linux is giving about the same battery backup as this Asahi Linux. My 2016 Macbook has same amount of RAM(8GB) as base M1 MBA, MBA with 16GB RAM are extremely expensive in India, they don't have any discounts on them. So I don't see any reason to upgrade to M1 Macbook Air.
I prefer linux, so i will switch one day. But for now, macs better battery life has me 😢.
Sadly battery life on Linux might never be as good as on macOS.
@@yoyosan999 yeah agreed, but it's not the only factor either. The use case for older machines changes, I ran my old 2012 MacBook pro as a linux server for a few years there before selling it (raid 0 SSD and a ram upgrade made it pretty decent). Besides, if I lost battery life, but gained gaming, I wouldn't complain either.
battery life differences should be negligible once hardware acceleration for video is supported
which might already be the case since hardware acceleration for linux just got added to chrominum - and all it's derivatives
It still lacks touch, though.
I never use a touch screen in a laptop though.
yeah... I'm gonna stick to MacOS.
Always great to have choices.
Linux has come a long way and runs very well on M1. Did you expect everything to run flawlessly? Don't forget it's opensource and not a huge trillion dollar company like Apple doing the development.
Me too, for now. Given that Apple abandons hardware that is still useful having Linux available will be very useful.
It might not be great today, but when it gets unsupported it will be a great operating system.
Come on, 8Gb RAM is totally fine.
i'm still fine with 8GB on my thinkpad t460
I don't know why but it seems in Linux the RAM shortage is more obvious.
please, do not include gaming into your next review. the choice of games and the fact that 23-30fps is "playbale" shows you have quite "nuanced" taste in games that is probably not shared by wider public
Thanks for your feedback. I do think those are playable on a laptop although when I play on pc I tend to need much higher framerates.
30fps is better than nothing tho? and i found it very useful @yoyosan999 because i wanted to know if steam would support asahi
Your breathing into the mic is so annoying!!
Really sorry about that.
Oh god!....STOP THE MUSIC....or CHANGE IT!?.....Hahahahah!!!
I like the music :D
Piano is dope, u r lil kid i guess. Not mature enough.
I like the music
Nice! Does the webcam and mic work? I heard they don't?
Mic doesn't work but the webcam works fine.
@@yoyosan999 Little things like that make me worry that it’ll only get more locked down by Apple as time goes on- idk if any Linux experience on Apple hardware will be as functional/useful as their native OS.
@@Rushil69420given enough time it will improve. The last time I checked in on this distro (I don’t have the hardware) it couldn’t do sound and was still missing a lot of features and that was back when The Linux Experiment was looking at it. That wasn’t that long ago and now speakers and headphone jack work. Linux (especially for Apple stuff) requires hobbyists to provide drivers and such. Considering that, it’s amazing.