It did happen, but to a smaller extent. I am proposing something way bigger when the 2 countries were historically at war against each other, so it becomes slightly unrealistic, but I did deal with this just fine
Not likely actually. If Mehmed failed after such a long seige, he would be killed by his army and there would be a civil war. Might give Constantinople a good 6-12 years.
@@TheRatOnFire_ If byzantinum would be extremly lucky The civli war would be hard enough that the byzantines could reqouncer stuff even when unlickely to pull this of, only a new aurelius on Steroids or a new belisarius on even more Steroids would be able to pull this off
What if Sigismund prevented the swedish civil war of 1598 and maintained the personal union between Sweden and Poland? Sigismund was also pro-catholic so that could have changed the outcome in the Thirty years war.
I want to do A LOT of Medieval Alternate History (technically 1598 is not medieval) but I have some other ideas before this. I will save it as I really like the idea. I also have a coin form Sigismund :D
The discovery of an alternate route to india won't be a problem for the chad venetians, they will just conquer the mamluks and build the suez canal in the 15th century
@@Duck_Man4 ngl in the 1500s there was this proposal abt a canal linking the mediterranean and the red sea, this along with chad Venice victory and the fact that actually they were commercial and marictime partner would be far more realistic
I have an idea: what if Charle Magne was so pro Roman empire that he decided to conquer the entirity of italy, position the capital to Rome, change the name of the empire as "western roman empire" or Just "roman empire" and maybe then marrying Irene of Athens (her idea IRL) to unite with the east. Love your videos ❤
One of the most thrilling historical novels set in the Greek Byzantine Empire during the last Siege of Constantinople, is “The Dark Angel” (original title Johannes Angelos), by prominent Finnish writer, Mika Waltari. Truly epic.
So cool! I made my gradustion project about ottoman siege engineering in the Siege of 1453, so cool that you made a video about Konstantinopel! Love ur Channel ❤
@@rewriting-history thank you for being such a Cool Guy! My first Idea for my Graduation Project was about how constantinopel couldve been saved and what its state would be afterwards. But it wadnt specified enough so i focused on just the siege engineering. Great to have ur Video basically Answering my original Question! Ur a really Great Guy 👑
Idea : What if young turk revolution never happened OR What if ottoman empire won the Russo-Turkish War of 1878 (This is possible because the ottoman navy was the 8th largest in 1878)
@@rewriting-history The latter can be done by the Ottomans not being as much repressive to minorities, and them defeating the Russians at Plevne, europeans come to the rescue, etc.
@@potatomars2443 Maybe if ottoman empire gets naval superiority in black sea then naval invades crimea and defeats russia at Pleven The ottoman empire might not be the sick man of europe in 1910
You know what? The fact that he almost lost the siege despite the advantages he had and the huge waste of troops and resources make him truly "Mehmet the regular"
@@RootGroves-hl8kt what's wrong with an alt history not about europe doing well? Most alernat history sees Europeans doing better, fee show them doing worse
@@theblackmailguy875 Do you know what the Ottomans did to its subjugated nations?LOL.South America wouldnt be latin , North America probably wouldnt be English.
Even too good video I don't agree in some points. When the Ottomans conquer the Balkans not all state where annexed first years, but made vassal as border states. During the seige of Constantinople 1453 third Bulgarian state Despotate of Dobrudja was annexed 1420, but several Bulgarian cities remain independent until 1455 like for example Lovech, so Bulgarians could start rebellion. Vlad Tepesh family have some connections with Bulgarian elite, so he could try liberate Bulgaria, just how 1461-1465 Svishtov was liberated under his rule.
I agree, but most likely these rebellions are a total failure. The Bulgarians do have the manpower, but not the weapons. This is why they would succeed in the Second and Third war of Venice against the Ottomans, not in the First one
Heya, great video, you are one of my favorite alternative history youtubers, I would like to suggest something that might interest you, a what if France forms the Holy Roman Empire instead of Germany
Great suggestion! I can look into that. I have thought of Spain doing it, as its an EU4 achievement but is also really interesting to consider. Also appreciate the kind words!
@@rewriting-history if you consider it, i will be right at the moment the video gets posted. really elaborating on alternate histories is something i like and would do myself if i knew
One thing that helps Venice in a war against the Ottomans after the end of the Silk Road, is that the Ottomans would lose even more economy than Venice does when the sea trade kills off the Silk Road.
This scenario needs a part two! I want to see what Venice does after this; do they unite Italy, do they get kicked out of the Balkans as well, or some third thing? I want more! Also, I haven’t left a comment in a while, so sorry about that!
Hi there, long time no see! I am glad to see you here, hope you're doing all right! A lot of people are asking for part 2, but I don't usually do these, so i need to consider it
@@rewriting-history simple. Do a proper analysis of alt-history. For example, what would have happened to Mehmed II after the failed siege? Would he had remained on the throne? What developments in the empire? Would the Palaiologoi brothers still fight against each other in Morea? How the union of the churches would develop? There are plenty of academic articles that offer the groundwork to entertain these questions. Of course alt-history is unrealistic. But at least do the effort and make a little bit more grounded your hypothetical scenarios, instead of just narrating your latest EU4/Hoi4 campaign.
Europeans many times triedd help to byzantium. And Ottomans won in all of them. 1389 Kosova, 1396 Battle of Nicopolis 1444 Varna 1448 Second Kosova war ... Byzantium would have been strong enough to defend itself if Venice or some other Catholic state had not weakened it during the Crusades instead. Turks was very weak in the 13th century. Mongols destroyed İslamic civizilations. But during this time, Byzantium was trying to expel the stupid crusaders.
Fun fact: Mehmet the Conqueror, the Ottoman sultan at the time, was obsessed with Istanbul. Even when he briefly ascended the throne at the age of 12 (in 1444), he immediately began preparing the army for the Istanbul campaign.
I think it could also be interesting if constantinople was able to control a small part of the anatolian lands allowing them to completely surround the straight between galipoli and the bosphorus That way not they are able to defend themselves aline for a small amount of time in the hopes of any kind of aid (since it would also facilitate supplying the city) Plus I think it would be an interesting scenario if from there bizzantium changed its "way of ruling" to become similar to the merchant republics, that is to say not worrying about grand aquisitions of land but yes port cities, trade routes? Islands etc I think it would be interesting since if bizzantium were able to act like a merchant republic for a few years (growing their internal power, gaining influence with other kingdoms due to trade conections etc) it could create an interesting future of a relativelly small bizzantium that is at the very least strong enough to be a minor regional power Controling those anatolian lands i talked about, thrace, a few island in the agean, the attica and peloponesian peninsulas maybe even beint able to retake thessaloniki Its an interesting idea for a video ( What if bizzantium became a "merchant republic") they wouldnt be a republic in this case but would have the goals and strategies if one
My history teacher in 7th grade told us about that if ottomans didnt get istanbul (aka constantinople) world technology would be worste than today.Because scientist's in istanbul would never go to europe (that teacher is one of the best teachers i ever meet)
I would love to see the scenario continued with the idea of Albania being close to Venice and as over time the others try rebellions Albania for its loyalty just keeps growing bigger ended with some sort of duel country of the two uniting after nationalism makes the others break away, maybe a constitutional monarchy gets established with the Venetian republic being the parliamentary side and the Albanian monarchy being the monarch. No before you ask I’m not Albanian.
I would love to see a scenario how would modern day world look like with the end result of that video ( i mean the map) and the fact that the balkan nations are free. I hope you could make a video about it pls!!
Ok so a little bit of extra context to the first statement at the start of the video: If the Ottomans couldn't take Constantinople in 1453, the eastern expansion of the empire would drasticly ramp up as they would have to secure the east to try another siege once more. If they do that, Persia might not be the same as today and after all of that if the Ottomans try to siege Constantinople it could lead to a coalition from Europe and the Ottomans would probably not exist anymore allowing the Byzantines to come back into Anatolia.
I'd wager the romans declaring war on eithet genoa or venice shortly after the league wars to reclaim their islands as alot of soldiers were tied up in italy, giving constantinople more seas and thus greater shipbuilding capacity and them banking on cutting the ottomans in two thatway and allying with the other power (most likely genoa) against the ottomans and gaining resupplying power and naval dominance thatway. Also they might garner 1-2k more soldiers to defend constantinope from the islands.
I wonder if Venice, like the ottomans, would try to claim the title of Roman Empire since, in this timeline, they have Constantinople and they defeated the Byzantines
I considered adding this to the video, or at least mentioing it. Venice can 100% try to claim the title, but there will be a coalition against them, and this would outrage the Pope, Venice's strongest ally. I think there is no point in that, but they could try, just so they can get destroyed later. The War of the League of Cambrai was brutal for Venice, so imagine it much worse.
You would actually need a point of departure at either Manzikert OR - at the very latest - the sacking of Constantinople not happening during the fourth Crusade. Any point after that, and it's just a matter of when, not if.
hey rewrtining history can you please to a video about "what if everything went perfect for yazidism"(my religion) it would mean the world to me since you are one of my fav histroy teacher.
Because they relied on trade from India, with the new sea route they lost their monopoly. Then they didn't colonize and were later taken by stronger powers like France and Austria
@@rewriting-history as I remember, that scenario includes: Byzantine selling their Peloponnese possessions to either Genoa, Venice or making them free, choosing what to put on their ships (like Greek fire) instead of supplies, leaving them in a harsher situation at the start but allowing to use the tech later. Then they sail out, *HOPING* there's some land out there. During a storm, one of the ships crashes in Bermuda, while the rest arrive in what is modern Washington DC. They call the land Elysia. Then for a couple decades or so they freely develop (with hindrances such as the crisis of identity (are we Romans or someone new, Elysians?) and religion and lack of supplies) After these decades of unrestricted expansion, Europeans finally reach what is supposed to be empty land to discover a large developed nation of people speaking Greek and claiming to be the inheritors of Byzantium / Eastern Roman Empire. After some time, the nation of Elysia / Rhōmanía (depends on what identity they embrace) has a question: remain in Elysia (aka stay semi isolationist in North America), try to achieve global dominance (aka play a role of another Colonial Power) or Reclaim Rome / Constantinople (only if they embraced being Romans)
Idea: What if Charlemagne only had 2 grandsons or something happened to one of the 3 so the Frankish empire would be divided equally in half This could lead to an even earlier united France and Germany. Imagine a united Germany, thousands of years before our timeline and even way before even the HRE. This could majorly change the “triangle of rivals” as I like to call it. England, France and Germany have been rivals of one another for thousands of years, always changing sides, but the balance of power of this dynamic would be extremely altered, which would be interesting to see
Its actually not that unlikely that had Constantinople not fallen the Eastern Roman Empire could have recovered and even fought back. Simply put if Constantinople had resisted a few more month small but not insignificant reinforcements from Venice and Genoa would likely have materialised as both had vested interests in keeping the path to the black sea open and a Christian nation in control of the straights something a lot easier to gurantee with a weak Byzantium compared to the massive Ottoman Empire. As those reinforcements bolstered the Byzantine defenders the Ottomans would have to recruit more and more troops lost to attacks, disease, accidents etc as time passed the supplies to feed this massive force would become scarcer as they would find less and less to forage the lands already being looted would leave little to take. This would force the Sultan to spend more money for larger quantities of supplies that would have to be gathered over a larger and larger area of his empire a strain he would place on his vassals in the Bulkans if he's forces had not seized Constantinople with in the year Mehmet would have found his treasury depleting to feed, pay and maintain his soldiers, horses and cannons combined with his vassals growing discontent Christian Kingdoms such as the HRE and Hungary would have increased their routine border raids drawing more and more troops to the Balkan front yet further depleting manpower and wealth. As this happened the Mamlukes would have noticed the slow decline of Ottoman troops on their border and Venice who had been mustering a larger force would have likely launched this force by taking the Island of Crete out of their own interest while claiming it to be a stratedgic target before than reinforcng the besieged Constantinople dominating the Straights and raiding the coastlines. Mehmet now stuck on the European half of his empire could do nothing to stop his brother being shipped to the East and starting a war for his claim to the throne. As infighting in the Eastern territorries intensified and more troops from the borders withdrew to either back Ohri or Mehmet Mamlukes would begin to mobilise. Vassals in the West grow discontent further strains on their wealth, manpower and food supplies increase as Mehmet hopes to build a second army to cripple the Hungarians and end their raids while using the plundering and slaves taken from Hungary to fuel a campaign on Venice hoping to force their ships to return home and abandon Constantinople. But Serbia, Wallachia, Albania etc decide to instead join Hungary and march against the Ottomans in their weakened state the remenance of the Bulgarian Kingdom begin raiding the lands and mustering the support of Bulgarians in the region.
I think a bit more research should have been done , because a fleet of Gneoa was n their way and if Giustinani wasn't injured and brought to the hospital the troops would have arrived and the ottomans would've lost
I think the main problem was the Wars of Lombardy which occurred during the Siege, not that the Genoese fleet was on it's way. As I prevented the Wars of Lombardy by ending them a year or two earlier, Genoa can respond better. During the Siege they were at war, so of course they needed their boats elsewhere.
Venice would’ve never gained Constantinople with the blessing of the papacy: the fact that the republic was already so powerful meant that the pope would’ve never accepted such a thing. Most importantly, the Cambrai league was not that far away in time. Frankly, I see no country conquering Constantinople without the rest of Europe reacting in a bad way. Btw I love the example of Thessaloniki: it was so unexpected that the republic didn’t know at all what to do with it. Its loss didn’t even bother them that much, since doge Foscari was more focused on territorial expansion in Italy and deemed Thessaloniki (rightly in my opinion) a lost cause
If not in 1453 then in 1454 or by 1455. There is little chance of Constantinople surviving an ascendant Ottoman Kingdom. It is still a kingdom in 1453 and will not become a proper empire till 1517.
What if instead of habsburgs spain and Portugal got Into a PU? Historically Portugal and castile - Aragon had same heir as successor but his death lead to Spain to go to towards habsburgs. Would be nice if u went up to around 20th century in the Vid.
I think "Mehmed the Mid" would have been a very funny title lol
Lmaooo nice
Meh-mid
LOL
Cool
Mehmet the meh
Venice and Genoa working together to help the Byzantines actually isn’t unrealistic. Because that’s exactly what happened.
It did happen, but to a smaller extent. I am proposing something way bigger when the 2 countries were historically at war against each other, so it becomes slightly unrealistic, but I did deal with this just fine
If rewriting history was realistic and boring: what if Constantinople didn’t fall in 1453. It would fall a year later in 1454
I mean at this point the city would be in a completely chokehold by the ottomans even if they weren’t outside with an army besieging it.
Not likely actually. If Mehmed failed after such a long seige, he would be killed by his army and there would be a civil war. Might give Constantinople a good 6-12 years.
@@TheRatOnFire_ If byzantinum would be extremly lucky The civli war would be hard enough that the byzantines could reqouncer stuff even when unlickely to pull this of, only a new aurelius on Steroids or a new belisarius on even more Steroids would be able to pull this off
@@dragonking4756 Yeah, I personally think nothing short of the stereotypical Isekai hero with OP powers would be able to save Byzantium at this point.
Idea 4 the next video: what if the Byzantine Empire survived to this day
Maybe not next video, but I want to make one for sure!
Thank You
NO
probably they would like a some kind of free city (which is beautiful)
Wow
I was waiting for this for so long, finally, ty RH
You're very welcome!
What if Sigismund prevented the swedish civil war of 1598 and maintained the personal union between Sweden and Poland? Sigismund was also pro-catholic so that could have changed the outcome in the Thirty years war.
Koolt
@@TheSwedefromSvealandOfficialJag har sett dina videor!
@@History_Nerdlll nice! Tack🥳
My dumb ass thinking you were talking about Warhammer
I want to do A LOT of Medieval Alternate History (technically 1598 is not medieval) but I have some other ideas before this. I will save it as I really like the idea. I also have a coin form Sigismund :D
The discovery of an alternate route to india won't be a problem for the chad venetians, they will just conquer the mamluks and build the suez canal in the 15th century
Exactly!
Suez Canal was made in 1869, however, there was the canal of the Pharaohs
@@Duck_Man4 ngl in the 1500s there was this proposal abt a canal linking the mediterranean and the red sea, this along with chad Venice victory and the fact that actually they were commercial and marictime partner would be far more realistic
Great video, and awesome scenario, I have not expected Venice to get so strong.
Glad you enjoyed it
36k, youre doing great! Lets hope we can reach 50k this year!
I would make a "what if the crusades were actually efficient", it could make an interesting sequel/prequel to this video.
I have considered the idea, could do something about the 4th crusade
I have an idea: what if Charle Magne was so pro Roman empire that he decided to conquer the entirity of italy, position the capital to Rome, change the name of the empire as "western roman empire" or Just "roman empire" and maybe then marrying Irene of Athens (her idea IRL) to unite with the east.
Love your videos ❤
Irene of Athens was crazy she killed her own son.
0:44 WTF Man morea held out longer than constantinople during the war in wich constantinople was conquered morea was left alone
One of the most thrilling historical novels set in the Greek Byzantine Empire during the last Siege of Constantinople, is “The Dark Angel” (original title Johannes Angelos), by prominent Finnish writer, Mika Waltari.
Truly epic.
We want more maritime republic alternatives history!BTW great video
Glad you liked it! I will do more Medieval Alternate history and I hope that people love it!
Forgot about you for a bit, very cool video.
I havent uploaded in more than a week, which is not typical, will get back at it soon!
So cool! I made my gradustion project about ottoman siege engineering in the Siege of 1453, so cool that you made a video about Konstantinopel! Love ur Channel ❤
Very cool! Glad you liked it and love the channel!
@@rewriting-history thank you for being such a Cool Guy! My first Idea for my Graduation Project was about how constantinopel couldve been saved and what its state would be afterwards. But it wadnt specified enough so i focused on just the siege engineering. Great to have ur Video basically Answering my original Question! Ur a really Great Guy 👑
You unintentionally Roasted Mehmed II in the Thumbnail lol.
I did that very intentionally tho
@@rewriting-history oh Nice 😂
@@rewriting-history ???????
@@Mlhcnshn_fanhis name was Mehmed the conqueror
@@T_Way i know that but He Just made fun of our ancestor thats disrespectfull
Bro never fails to entertain us
Appreciate that!
bro i open youtube and this video is recommended
Glad to hear!
This is a good timeline
But damn Venice would be op
Big Venice is my type of Venice
@rewriting-history European countries would let this happen to this big of a extent
Idea : What if young turk revolution never happened
OR
What if ottoman empire won the Russo-Turkish War of 1878 (This is possible because the ottoman navy was the 8th largest in 1878)
I will not do so much content on Turkey as of now, but I will keep these ideas in mind
@@rewriting-history The latter can be done by the Ottomans not being as much repressive to minorities, and them defeating the Russians at Plevne, europeans come to the rescue, etc.
@@rewriting-history Ok
@@potatomars2443 Maybe if ottoman empire gets naval superiority in black sea then naval invades crimea and defeats russia at Pleven The ottoman empire might not be the sick man of europe in 1910
@@someone1-x3z I see a fellow Pakistani
You know what? The fact that he almost lost the siege despite the advantages he had and the huge waste of troops and resources make him truly "Mehmet the regular"
Yeah, he could have lost if something minor changed, but I decided to make a massive change to guarantee this happens
Basil II got his ass kicked by the turks so shut your mouth
Pretty good video, keep up the good work
Thanks, will do! Appreciate the support!
ohh
edit:i finished watching what if weimar republic survived
then 5 minutes later this video was uploaded
ayy
Idea: What if Károlyi's 1918 Belgrade Armistice talks succeded (Basically what if Hungary got a favourable peace deal after WW1)
what if the ottomans won the battle of Vienna? please do a video on this I haven't seen one on this topic
I have considered it, would be cool
Please no they would have marched until Paris.And the entire Western civilization would be gone.
@@RootGroves-hl8kt what's wrong with an alt history not about europe doing well? Most alernat history sees Europeans doing better, fee show them doing worse
@@theblackmailguy875 Do you know what the Ottomans did to its subjugated nations?LOL.South America wouldnt be latin , North America probably wouldnt be English.
Even too good video I don't agree in some points. When the Ottomans conquer the Balkans not all state where annexed first years, but made vassal as border states. During the seige of Constantinople 1453 third Bulgarian state Despotate of Dobrudja was annexed 1420, but several Bulgarian cities remain independent until 1455 like for example Lovech, so Bulgarians could start rebellion. Vlad Tepesh family have some connections with Bulgarian elite, so he could try liberate Bulgaria, just how 1461-1465 Svishtov was liberated under his rule.
I agree, but most likely these rebellions are a total failure. The Bulgarians do have the manpower, but not the weapons. This is why they would succeed in the Second and Third war of Venice against the Ottomans, not in the First one
Heya, great video, you are one of my favorite alternative history youtubers, I would like to suggest something that might interest you, a what if France forms the Holy Roman Empire instead of Germany
Great suggestion! I can look into that. I have thought of Spain doing it, as its an EU4 achievement but is also really interesting to consider. Also appreciate the kind words!
this could have a second part, where the greek, bulgarian and serbian can hold against napoleon, or aly with him
Sounds interesting, but I'm not considering part 2 yet
@@rewriting-history if you consider it, i will be right at the moment the video gets posted.
really elaborating on alternate histories is something i like and would do myself if i knew
If you like this scenario, I can recommend “Hellenic World” by Geography HD Mapper
Bro how do you make your thumbnails they look great
I use Photopea for the thumbnails. Also appreciate the compliment
Rewriting history! Thanks For this! Always look forward to your videos! Hearth please ❤❤❤❤❤
I appreciate that, you're welcome!
nice video man but i have a question will you ever remake your old videos in your new map and editing style
1 or 2 I could do, perhaps my first ever video.
Me singlehandedly defeating the ottomans and athens and venice at the same in impossible mode in aoh2(again): Yes.
Plz make video on Byzantine Empire surviving but not a super power in morden day like the German victory series
Oh yeah I will make one on them surviving 100%
One thing that helps Venice in a war against the Ottomans after the end of the Silk Road, is that the Ottomans would lose even more economy than Venice does when the sea trade kills off the Silk Road.
This scenario needs a part two! I want to see what Venice does after this; do they unite Italy, do they get kicked out of the Balkans as well, or some third thing? I want more!
Also, I haven’t left a comment in a while, so sorry about that!
Hi there, long time no see! I am glad to see you here, hope you're doing all right!
A lot of people are asking for part 2, but I don't usually do these, so i need to consider it
Feels more like an abridged campaign with Venice in EU4 than a proper analysis of alt-history.
I said so many times that the video is unrealistic, including in the first 5 seconds. What do you want me do, really?
@@rewriting-history simple. Do a proper analysis of alt-history. For example, what would have happened to Mehmed II after the failed siege? Would he had remained on the throne? What developments in the empire? Would the Palaiologoi brothers still fight against each other in Morea? How the union of the churches would develop?
There are plenty of academic articles that offer the groundwork to entertain these questions.
Of course alt-history is unrealistic. But at least do the effort and make a little bit more grounded your hypothetical scenarios, instead of just narrating your latest EU4/Hoi4 campaign.
Europeans many times triedd help to byzantium. And Ottomans won in all of them.
1389 Kosova,
1396 Battle of Nicopolis
1444 Varna
1448 Second Kosova war
...
Byzantium would have been strong enough to defend itself if Venice or some other Catholic state had not weakened it during the Crusades instead.
Turks was very weak in the 13th century. Mongols destroyed İslamic civizilations. But during this time, Byzantium was trying to expel the stupid crusaders.
Fun fact: Mehmet the Conqueror, the Ottoman sultan at the time, was obsessed with Istanbul. Even when he briefly ascended the throne at the age of 12 (in 1444), he immediately began preparing the army for the Istanbul campaign.
Yeah I know, hence why he will not give up
Constantinople. Not even Mehmet would have called it istanbul
@@mappingshaman5280 it would be called constantinpol if it was fricking 15th century.Its Istanbul officialy.Even the USA says its Istanbul.
@noktafullstop點 but at the time it was constantinople. Istanbul is not a word that would even enter anyone's heads back then
@@mappingshaman5280 so?It *WAS* constantiple but it *IS* Istanbul now. Would you support calling thessalonica "selanik" would you?
This video should really be called what if venice became a giga chad of the mediterranean
It would gain less views tho
@@rewriting-historyclickbait 😔
There actually was a Venetian fleet coming to aid Constantinople, the Venetians just never arrived on time.
They did have like 8 ships that participated in the defense, but they could have done way more
A part two would be cool.
I think it could also be interesting if constantinople was able to control a small part of the anatolian lands allowing them to completely surround the straight between galipoli and the bosphorus
That way not they are able to defend themselves aline for a small amount of time in the hopes of any kind of aid (since it would also facilitate supplying the city)
Plus I think it would be an interesting scenario if from there bizzantium changed its "way of ruling" to become similar to the merchant republics, that is to say not worrying about grand aquisitions of land but yes port cities, trade routes? Islands etc
I think it would be interesting since if bizzantium were able to act like a merchant republic for a few years (growing their internal power, gaining influence with other kingdoms due to trade conections etc) it could create an interesting future of a relativelly small bizzantium that is at the very least strong enough to be a minor regional power
Controling those anatolian lands i talked about, thrace, a few island in the agean, the attica and peloponesian peninsulas maybe even beint able to retake thessaloniki
Its an interesting idea for a video ( What if bizzantium became a "merchant republic") they wouldnt be a republic in this case but would have the goals and strategies if one
My history teacher in 7th grade told us about that if ottomans didnt get istanbul (aka constantinople) world technology would be worste than today.Because scientist's in istanbul would never go to europe (that teacher is one of the best teachers i ever meet)
Before the siege, the Ottomans built fortifications reinforced with cannons that were difficult to pass through in Çanakkale.
HI! LOVE YOUR CONTENT
Glad to hear!
I would love to see the scenario continued with the idea of Albania being close to Venice and as over time the others try rebellions Albania for its loyalty just keeps growing bigger ended with some sort of duel country of the two uniting after nationalism makes the others break away, maybe a constitutional monarchy gets established with the Venetian republic being the parliamentary side and the Albanian monarchy being the monarch. No before you ask I’m not Albanian.
What if:
Ukraine gained independence
Along with Kuban?
During the late world war?
(Maybe dont have a german in charge)
I love it when OP admits it's unrealistic; but where's the fun in "realistic" scenarios anyway?
Exactly, I don't want my videos to be taken seriously, but I want to put an interest twist on history, make it more exciting and enjoyable
the issue with the naval blockade is the ottoman forts on the straits
I mean they can still resupply Constantinople, so the Ottomans would regardless have to call out the siege and go home
8:06 What if the emirate of Grenada survived Aragon and Castile
Oh this sounds interesting?
I would love to see a scenario how would modern day world look like with the end result of that video ( i mean the map) and the fact that the balkan nations are free.
I hope you could make a video about it pls!!
Ok so a little bit of extra context to the first statement at the start of the video:
If the Ottomans couldn't take Constantinople in 1453, the eastern expansion of the empire would drasticly ramp up as they would have to secure the east to try another siege once more. If they do that, Persia might not be the same as today and after all of that if the Ottomans try to siege Constantinople it could lead to a coalition from Europe and the Ottomans would probably not exist anymore allowing the Byzantines to come back into Anatolia.
I'd wager the romans declaring war on eithet genoa or venice shortly after the league wars to reclaim their islands as alot of soldiers were tied up in italy, giving constantinople more seas and thus greater shipbuilding capacity and them banking on cutting the ottomans in two thatway and allying with the other power (most likely genoa) against the ottomans and gaining resupplying power and naval dominance thatway. Also they might garner 1-2k more soldiers to defend constantinope from the islands.
I wonder if Venice, like the ottomans, would try to claim the title of Roman Empire since, in this timeline, they have Constantinople and they defeated the Byzantines
I considered adding this to the video, or at least mentioing it. Venice can 100% try to claim the title, but there will be a coalition against them, and this would outrage the Pope, Venice's strongest ally. I think there is no point in that, but they could try, just so they can get destroyed later. The War of the League of Cambrai was brutal for Venice, so imagine it much worse.
Well the issue there is Venice wasn't hereditary
You would actually need a point of departure at either Manzikert OR - at the very latest - the sacking of Constantinople not happening during the fourth Crusade. Any point after that, and it's just a matter of when, not if.
hey rewrtining history can you please to a video about "what if everything went perfect for yazidism"(my religion) it would mean the world to me since you are one of my fav histroy teacher.
I like the idea, but I have never made a video on religion, so its very different from what I usually do
@@rewriting-historyit would be interesting and mean the world to me
What if the queen of burgundy married the ruler of Brandensburg instead of Austria (and the Union stayed or Brandensburg annexes them i guess).
Does this video end with Greater Bulgaria?
Its not really Greater, just a free Bulgaria
@@rewriting-history Finished watching, I'm satisfied
Why is Venice destined to fall?
Because they relied on trade from India, with the new sea route they lost their monopoly. Then they didn't colonize and were later taken by stronger powers like France and Austria
@@rewriting-history thanks, good to know
14:02 Venician *Nationalist* like me
I am tho
I may be overreaching with "Byzaboo" scenarios, but...
What if Byzantine discovered and fled to America (aka the Third Odyssey EU4 scenario)
Oooooo, I like this!
Ayo this is so unrealistic, but for some reason I find it really interesting!
Extremely unrealistic
And i adore it, i love that mod so much
@@rewriting-history as I remember, that scenario includes: Byzantine selling their Peloponnese possessions to either Genoa, Venice or making them free, choosing what to put on their ships (like Greek fire) instead of supplies, leaving them in a harsher situation at the start but allowing to use the tech later. Then they sail out, *HOPING* there's some land out there. During a storm, one of the ships crashes in Bermuda, while the rest arrive in what is modern Washington DC. They call the land Elysia. Then for a couple decades or so they freely develop (with hindrances such as the crisis of identity (are we Romans or someone new, Elysians?) and religion and lack of supplies)
After these decades of unrestricted expansion, Europeans finally reach what is supposed to be empty land to discover a large developed nation of people speaking Greek and claiming to be the inheritors of Byzantium / Eastern Roman Empire.
After some time, the nation of Elysia / Rhōmanía (depends on what identity they embrace) has a question: remain in Elysia (aka stay semi isolationist in North America), try to achieve global dominance (aka play a role of another Colonial Power) or Reclaim Rome / Constantinople (only if they embraced being Romans)
New video idea:Whaf if Hungary succesfully switched sides in Ww2?
Nice one, I could make it into a short first
@@rewriting-history thx
Will you make a spooky timeline this month?
Don't think so
Do the bizantine surviving cenario in the next vid please bbg❤️❤️❤️
Could you do a sequel to this?
Many people are requesting it, but I am not excited by this idea. I have other scenarios that I deem are more interesting to the viewers
2:20 Funny how all of the wars are after the Byzantine-Ottoman war 💀
Because before that the Byzantines were the Ottoman Punching Bag, after 1453 Venice took that role
Idea: What if Charlemagne only had 2 grandsons or something happened to one of the 3 so the Frankish empire would be divided equally in half
This could lead to an even earlier united France and Germany.
Imagine a united Germany, thousands of years before our timeline and even way before even the HRE.
This could majorly change the “triangle of rivals” as I like to call it. England, France and Germany have been rivals of one another for thousands of years, always changing sides, but the balance of power of this dynamic would be extremely altered, which would be interesting to see
Very fascinant 👏 🔥 👏 🔥 👏
Appreciate that!
Its actually not that unlikely that had Constantinople not fallen the Eastern Roman Empire could have recovered and even fought back. Simply put if Constantinople had resisted a few more month small but not insignificant reinforcements from Venice and Genoa would likely have materialised as both had vested interests in keeping the path to the black sea open and a Christian nation in control of the straights something a lot easier to gurantee with a weak Byzantium compared to the massive Ottoman Empire. As those reinforcements bolstered the Byzantine defenders the Ottomans would have to recruit more and more troops lost to attacks, disease, accidents etc as time passed the supplies to feed this massive force would become scarcer as they would find less and less to forage the lands already being looted would leave little to take.
This would force the Sultan to spend more money for larger quantities of supplies that would have to be gathered over a larger and larger area of his empire a strain he would place on his vassals in the Bulkans if he's forces had not seized Constantinople with in the year Mehmet would have found his treasury depleting to feed, pay and maintain his soldiers, horses and cannons combined with his vassals growing discontent Christian Kingdoms such as the HRE and Hungary would have increased their routine border raids drawing more and more troops to the Balkan front yet further depleting manpower and wealth. As this happened the Mamlukes would have noticed the slow decline of Ottoman troops on their border and Venice who had been mustering a larger force would have likely launched this force by taking the Island of Crete out of their own interest while claiming it to be a stratedgic target before than reinforcng the besieged Constantinople dominating the Straights and raiding the coastlines. Mehmet now stuck on the European half of his empire could do nothing to stop his brother being shipped to the East and starting a war for his claim to the throne.
As infighting in the Eastern territorries intensified and more troops from the borders withdrew to either back Ohri or Mehmet Mamlukes would begin to mobilise. Vassals in the West grow discontent further strains on their wealth, manpower and food supplies increase as Mehmet hopes to build a second army to cripple the Hungarians and end their raids while using the plundering and slaves taken from Hungary to fuel a campaign on Venice hoping to force their ships to return home and abandon Constantinople. But Serbia, Wallachia, Albania etc decide to instead join Hungary and march against the Ottomans in their weakened state the remenance of the Bulgarian Kingdom begin raiding the lands and mustering the support of Bulgarians in the region.
Could you make a part 2?
I don't think so, there isn't a lot to add, just the Balkans are free.
It's impossible to not be a venetian nationalist, their flag is so cool
Exactly!
I think a bit more research should have been done , because a fleet of Gneoa was n their way and if Giustinani wasn't injured and brought to the hospital the troops would have arrived and the ottomans would've lost
I think the main problem was the Wars of Lombardy which occurred during the Siege, not that the Genoese fleet was on it's way. As I prevented the Wars of Lombardy by ending them a year or two earlier, Genoa can respond better. During the Siege they were at war, so of course they needed their boats elsewhere.
What if I didn't run? What if I'm not a coward? What if I want them to kill me? What if I want them to try!!!
Video idea: what if Britain never united and scotland joined the side of napoleon
Eu4 mentioned rahhhhhh
Best paradox game?
"If venice and genoa achieve naval superiority they could blockade the ottomans from accessing the balkan peninsula." Is that an eu4 reference?
Lets all agree guys, Eastern Roman Empire sounds so much better than Byzantium
I disagree
Ah i see an eu4 enjoyer at 5:15
Damn right!
Do a video about how Byzantium secured Anatolia before it would become a threat
Which will be your next series? I hope the Bulgarian one
It looks like it will be anything but the Bulgarian one
@@rewriting-history Why, everyone wants the Bulgarian
Venice would’ve never gained Constantinople with the blessing of the papacy: the fact that the republic was already so powerful meant that the pope would’ve never accepted such a thing. Most importantly, the Cambrai league was not that far away in time. Frankly, I see no country conquering Constantinople without the rest of Europe reacting in a bad way.
Btw I love the example of Thessaloniki: it was so unexpected that the republic didn’t know at all what to do with it. Its loss didn’t even bother them that much, since doge Foscari was more focused on territorial expansion in Italy and deemed Thessaloniki (rightly in my opinion) a lost cause
Can you make a video on what would have happened if the Balkan League united in 1912?
RH's Prediction: 27k views in 14 minutes. Reality: 2840 views in 1 hour. Need to rewrite history on thist now.
I have fallen off. Also not a prediction, just some random numbers lol
also can you go an alternative senario about what if italy never united
I can, but the audience is not too interested in that as of now
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If not in 1453 then in 1454 or by 1455. There is little chance of Constantinople surviving an ascendant Ottoman Kingdom. It is still a kingdom in 1453 and will not become a proper empire till 1517.
How to delay the Fall of Constantinople:
This is the alternate title
Here’s another idea the ottomans don’t have their huge cannon
Good that you make videos become 1800
new video idea, what if byzantium and the new ottoman state entered a personal union?
Do a vid on what if the kingdom of soissons survived
Idea 5: What if bacons rebellion succeeded or never occurred?
With Constantinople surviving, its possible that Greece existed with Constantinople being a micro state or its unrealistic?
Not possible, as somebody would invade such an important city
meanwhile me in eu4 reforming rome as byzantium
Based
@@rewriting-history for me its not even hard by now
no offense but your map is wrong for 1453, as Serbia reached all the way down to Kosovo.
Yeah, this is my bad. I don't have too good maps from anything older than the 1800s.
@@rewriting-history its fine you can use a game like EU4 for that
What if instead of habsburgs spain and Portugal got Into a PU?
Historically Portugal and castile - Aragon had same heir as successor but his death lead to Spain to go to towards habsburgs. Would be nice if u went up to around 20th century in the Vid.
You should do "what if Malta fell to the Ottomans"
Why is this just Eu4 strats
Lmao how is it eu4 strats? If getting allies and not dying is eu4 strat, then my whole channel is a lie
@@rewriting-history bro fr tho that’s how hard Byzantium it with that +200% ship building time